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The Late Debate | 4 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately welcome the late base, good evening, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Son James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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  Speaker 1: A Queensland council worker sacked after threatening a punch on
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  Speaker 1: with his boss is reinstated when a tribunal finds that.
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  Speaker 2: Was a disproportionate punishment.
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  Speaker 1: If you threaten to punch up your boss, you should
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  Speaker 1: get a warning, not the sack.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later too. R Plus when we
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  Speaker 2: should they should look at the news room. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how this stuff works.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, it's a term of endearments I live.
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  Speaker 1: That's sice'll tell you what anything goes in local government.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that a bit later.
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  Speaker 1: Plus when we look at the papers, the new South
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  Speaker 1: Wales Transport minister quit's cabinet over a private use of
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  Speaker 1: a taxpayer funded chauffeured vehicle. And the front page of
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Australian has got a big announcement from our government
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  Speaker 1: about the future of artificial intelligence. We'll bring you that
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  Speaker 1: a little but first, if you thought things were already
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  Speaker 1: bad in Victoria, well get a load of this headline
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  Speaker 1: from today's Herald's Son newspaper The article says staff dealing
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  Speaker 1: with the new Victorian Treasurer Jacqueline Symes told to stop
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  Speaker 1: using economic terms. According to government insiders, the woman responsible
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  Speaker 1: for one of Australia's largest economies simply doesn't understand economic
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  Speaker 1: terms and so has asked staff please don't use words
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. To be honest, while we're having a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a giggle at this, I don't think she
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  Speaker 1: should feel that bad because her predecessor, Tim Pallace, who
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  Speaker 1: left the state with almost one hundred and eighty billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars worth of debt, he didn't understand basic economic terms either,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, budget surplus, savings, And it's not as
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  Speaker 1: hard as Jacqueline Simes probably imagines. I think if she
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  Speaker 1: just learned three words, she would pretty much have a
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  Speaker 1: grasp of victorious, finances, bankrupt's, what's the other three.
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  Speaker 4: James?
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  Speaker 1: And they were to start with Bee's, Caleb, bankrupt, broke
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  Speaker 1: and basket case. You understand the situation in Victoria, but
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  Speaker 1: honestly it's pretty dire straight when you've got the Treasurer
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  Speaker 1: saying please don't use economic terms, I just don't understand them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she had a rough gig from the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: because when Tim Pallas resigned in December last year, nobody
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  Speaker 1: really wanted the job. Ben Carroll, who's now the Deputy Premier,
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  Speaker 1: he had formally touted as wanting the treasurer's job, but
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  Speaker 1: he said no, no, I don't want to touch it,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was given to Jacqueline Simes, who has
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  Speaker 1: a background bereft of any economic experience. She's got a
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  Speaker 1: law degree, then she went into union management, then went
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  Speaker 1: into political staffing, and then became a politician, so she's
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  Speaker 1: got no background at all. But when she was announced
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  Speaker 1: as the treasurer, they overcame the problem that she really
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  Speaker 1: has no economic experience with this, Liz, she's the first
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  Speaker 1: female treasurer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so diversity.
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  Speaker 2: Is our strength. You don't have to know economics or
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  Speaker 2: economic terms.
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  Speaker 1: She's the first woman. Yes, certain thing, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be okay.
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  Speaker 5: So never mind, Victoria that your state debt is set
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  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty eight, just three and a half short
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  Speaker 5: years away in June of twenty twenty eight, to exceed
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty seven billion dollars, which would make
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  Speaker 5: it the largest state debt in our entire nation's history.
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  Speaker 5: Don't worry about it. You've got your first female treasurer.
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  Speaker 5: Well done, you put that gold star on your wall.
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  Speaker 5: But here's an idea for Jacqueline Sims. Now that your treasurer,
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  Speaker 5: how about you learn the terms for crying out loud.
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  Speaker 5: If I were to take this poison Chalice, and I
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  Speaker 5: were to be so aware of how naturally an ept
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  Speaker 5: I am in this particular area, I would be desperately
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  Speaker 5: paddling under water. I would be googling every single one
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  Speaker 5: of the terms I didn't understand and learning them. How
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  Speaker 5: on earth is this woman going to do a presser
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  Speaker 5: in the in financial lingo if you don't understand and
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  Speaker 5: how sophisticated are these terms that we're talking about? Are
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  Speaker 5: we talking about deficit surplus? Like which one's a good one?
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  Speaker 5: Which is the one that we want? Isn't that deficit
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  Speaker 5: or the surplus? But this is what exactly as you said,
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  Speaker 5: this is what DEEI does you mean to tell me?
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  Speaker 5: In the parliamentary party, the Labor parliamentary Party in Victoria,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't have someone with just a bit more of
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  Speaker 5: a background in economics, or not even a background in economics,
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  Speaker 5: but someone who's familiar with the terms and to be honest.
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  Speaker 5: For someone who's been an MP for a decade, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think there's an excuse to not be across a
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  Speaker 5: bit of economic lingo of the.
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  Speaker 1: Problem is if you had a background in economics, you
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  Speaker 1: would know this is not a.
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  Speaker 2: Job that I want right away.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good point because being the treasurer of
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  Speaker 4: Victoria is much like being the health minister in any
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  Speaker 4: other state. Right It's like, Okay, we'll put someone in
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  Speaker 4: there who we're willing to sacrifice because we know that
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  Speaker 4: at some point they're going to come acropper. Much the
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  Speaker 4: same with child protection. If you'll made the child protection minister,
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  Speaker 4: there is a target on your back because something is
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  Speaker 4: going to go wrong at some point and you're going
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  Speaker 4: to have to pay the price for it. And so
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  Speaker 4: it is being the treasurer of Victoria. But when you
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  Speaker 4: gave us her employment history before, you missed out one
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  Speaker 4: vital thing, which was that when she got out of
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  Speaker 4: university she didn't do anything with her law degree. She
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  Speaker 4: became a career for people with intellectual disabilities. And that's
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  Speaker 4: not to make fun of the fact she did the work.
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  Speaker 4: It's very worthy work, but there is at no point
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  Speaker 4: in her employment history anything that suggests she's ever a
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  Speaker 4: balanced to budget or had to look after a budget,
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  Speaker 4: or has looked at after anything to do with the business.
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  Speaker 4: To be perfectly frank, as you said, she got the degree,
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  Speaker 4: she didn't use it, She went off and became a unionist.
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  Speaker 4: Then she became an advisor, first to the Deputy Premier
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  Speaker 4: Rob Hulls at the time. And then and this is
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  Speaker 4: where it all went really wrong. Sorry, she became a
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  Speaker 4: senior advisor to Daniel Andrews when he was the leader
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  Speaker 4: of the old position. So you know she has come
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  Speaker 4: from the school of Daniel Andrews and she still doesn't
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  Speaker 4: understand economics. That the fact that you can get a
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  Speaker 4: position like that in politics with no background, no expertise,
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  Speaker 4: no knowledge, to the point where you don't even understand
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  Speaker 4: the basic terms that come with the portfolio, and we
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  Speaker 4: don't see anything wrong with that is insane. Like we
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  Speaker 4: are in a position where we find probably the most
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  Speaker 4: unqualified people to do some of the most difficult and
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  Speaker 4: important jobs in the country and we go it's all good,
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  Speaker 4: all good, nothing to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: I should have mentioned there two terms that she evidently
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  Speaker 1: is very familiar with tax and spend.
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  Speaker 5: Well as the basics down, what are we complaining about? Genuinely,
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  Speaker 5: what are Victorians paying for when you've got a treasurer
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  Speaker 5: who can't treasury?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think they paying for someone to sit
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  Speaker 4: around and make a lot of money, cause the terms.
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  Speaker 5: And learn the meanings and just be like, well now
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  Speaker 5: I'm across the lingo.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, learning on the job is actually genuinely good
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  Speaker 4: for a lot of people when they come in university, right,
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  Speaker 4: they go, hell, why did I do four years of
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  Speaker 4: that degree. I've learned more in my six months on
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  Speaker 4: the job than I did in the degree.
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  Speaker 2: But I reckon.
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  Speaker 4: One exception to that is probably being the treasurer of Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: And while we're talking about Victoria, you might remember last
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  Speaker 4: year the Allen government decided they were going to beef
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  Speaker 4: up quote unquote their anti vilification laws. Now, what they
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  Speaker 4: actually are going to do is watered down their anti
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  Speaker 4: vilification laws. By that, I mean not that they make
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  Speaker 4: it harder for you to be vilified. They make it
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  Speaker 4: much easier for you to say that you have been vilified,
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  Speaker 4: because the rules as they are at the moment, is
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  Speaker 4: that if you are to prove that hatred has been
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  Speaker 4: incited that you actually need concrete proof. If you are
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  Speaker 4: saying this person has incited hatred against a certain group,
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  Speaker 4: you actually have to bring the proof that they have
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  Speaker 4: done that. The new laws that the Allen government want
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  Speaker 4: to pass get rid of all of that. There's no
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  Speaker 4: burden of proof whatsoever. It is simply that you have
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  Speaker 4: incited hatred, serious contempt, revulsion, or serious ridicule of a
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  Speaker 4: protected group. And of course the protected group used to
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  Speaker 4: be racial, religious. Now they include gender identity, they include
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  Speaker 4: transgender people, they include gay people, on and on it
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  Speaker 4: goes the laws. If they get their way, it would
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  Speaker 4: be expanded significantly to basically everyone, and no proof required
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  Speaker 4: to show that you have actually incited any hatred whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: Heaven's the opposition in Victoria has now said that they
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  Speaker 4: will oppose these laws. But never mind. This is how
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  Speaker 4: Jacinda Allen says it will actually go.
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  Speaker 2: We're just looking after everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be clear.
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  Speaker 6: This is about sending a very clear message that in Victoria,
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  Speaker 6: you can be who you are, you can love who
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  Speaker 6: you love, you can pray to who you wish to
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  Speaker 6: pray to, and that we will make hate against you
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  Speaker 6: a crime.
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  Speaker 4: We will make a hate against you a crime, because
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  Speaker 4: of course it is the most important thing for Victoria
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  Speaker 4: to be doing right now, to say, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: there might be a gay person down there who's been
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  Speaker 4: allowed to marry for the last eight years who could
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  Speaker 4: be offended by some form of hate. So we've going
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  Speaker 4: to change the laws.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad at least that the opposition hasn't taken the
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  Speaker 4: bait here that they have said, yes, we are going
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  Speaker 4: to oppose it, because of course the concern would have been,
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  Speaker 4: and the reason that they've tried to do this is
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  Speaker 4: we have an anti semitism problem at the moment, and
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  Speaker 4: you use that as the vanguard to push through these
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  Speaker 4: laws that are far more expansive than just anti semitism.
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  Speaker 4: It includes everything you could possibly find in the grab bag.
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  Speaker 4: It makes the burden of proof much lower than it
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  Speaker 4: ever was. So you get all that through and hope
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  Speaker 4: no one notices what you've done. The opposition have said no,
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  Speaker 4: we're not actually going to let you do that, and
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  Speaker 4: good on them.
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  Speaker 5: But the numbers so we're thankful for the opposition, but
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna get up well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the cross point out though the
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  Speaker 1: Victorian premiere, there is a complete liar when she says,
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  Speaker 1: in Victoria, you can love who you want to love,
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  Speaker 1: marry you want to marry, pray to who you want
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  Speaker 1: to pray to.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. They made a.
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  Speaker 1: Law that says if you pray for a gay person
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  Speaker 1: to become straight, or if you pray for a gender
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  Speaker 1: confused person to you know, come to their senses, if
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  Speaker 1: you like, comfortable with their own gender, then.
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  Speaker 2: You can be prosecuted.
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  Speaker 1: So for her to say that in Victoria you can
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  Speaker 1: pray to who you want to pray to, well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess you can pray to who you want to pray to,
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  Speaker 1: but the Victorian government will censor the prayers as you
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  Speaker 1: pray them to make sure they are government compliant.
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  Speaker 5: She didn't say you can pray about whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly the point. And that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: governments are doing. They've stopped talking, if you listen to them,
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  Speaker 1: about religious freedom. They now talk about the freedom to
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  Speaker 1: practice your religion, which is very different. They have redefined
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  Speaker 1: religion to something that happens for sixty minutes on a
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  Speaker 1: Sunday morning in a mosque or in a synagogue or
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  Speaker 1: in a temple but once you're outside of that, now
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  Speaker 1: the government controls what you say, what you think, and
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  Speaker 1: even the way that you pray.
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  Speaker 2: So always be on guard.
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  Speaker 1: When the government talk about protecting people's rights to practice religion,
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  Speaker 1: that's very different to having religious freedom to say what
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  Speaker 1: you believe and to think the thoughts that you want
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  Speaker 1: to think. Speaking of which, the transgender CEO of Victoria
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  Speaker 1: Son Vivian said about these new laws that he hopes
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  Speaker 1: they will quote make people consider how their words land
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  Speaker 1: and how ideas can cause harm.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the problem with these hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 1: Once you start dictating what people can and can't say,
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  Speaker 1: you're effectively dictating what they can and can't think. And
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  Speaker 1: so this is where religious freedom goes completely to the toilet,
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  Speaker 1: because now you're being legislated as to what you is
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  Speaker 1: permissible to think about the big issues of life and
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  Speaker 1: what is not permissible. And so these laws are quite pernicious.
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  Speaker 1: They're not designed to protect religious freedom. They are designed
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  Speaker 1: to give the government more control over which narratives will
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  Speaker 1: be permitted. And one final thing, when you talk about, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to outlaw hatred, and as you said, these
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  Speaker 1: laws over whether something is likely to cause hatred, not
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  Speaker 1: whether in fact it actually causes objective harm. Remember the
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  Speaker 1: CEO of the Essendon Football Club, Andrew Thorburn, who was
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  Speaker 1: sacked as the CEO because they found out he was
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  Speaker 1: going to a church that happened to believe two things
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  Speaker 1: that Christians believe for two thousand years, abortion is wrong
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  Speaker 1: and marriages between a man and a woman. And the
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  Speaker 1: premier at the time, Daniel Andrews, described those beliefs as
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  Speaker 1: quote a kind of intolerance that is hateful and wrong. So,
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  Speaker 1: according to Dan Andrews, hate speech is saying abortion is
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  Speaker 1: wrong and marriage is between a man.
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  Speaker 2: And the woman. That's why these laws make no sense.
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  Speaker 2: No one should support them.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not the business of government, this group of
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  Speaker 5: people that we elect. You look after a major infrastructure projects,
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  Speaker 5: the budget of the state, make sure transport's running well, etc.
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  Speaker 5: And so on. Not quite getting together to be like,
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  Speaker 5: let's say what people can and can't speak for crying
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  Speaker 5: out loud. He's a really really hard pill for some
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  Speaker 5: people to swallow. Free speech is hate speech. Hate speech
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  Speaker 5: is free speech. They are interconnected in such a way.
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  Speaker 5: You either have both of them or you have neither
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  Speaker 5: of them.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. That's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 5: There's no if, butts or maybes. And as a free
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  Speaker 5: speech absolutist, the minute government starts telling me, oh, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, how do you measure hatred? What equals incitement?
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  Speaker 5: Some flog could listen to something that I've said, take
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  Speaker 5: it completely out of context. Maybe they're mentally unwell, maybe
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  Speaker 5: they've got other underlying issues, take it completely out of context,
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  Speaker 5: and say, oh, well, I did what I did because
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  Speaker 5: Liz Storer said fill in the gap. Did I say
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  Speaker 5: that thing? Yes? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 3: Did it mean what they took it to mean?
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  Speaker 5: No, But somehow I am now responsible for what some
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  Speaker 5: whack job has done because they were in earshot of
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  Speaker 5: my voice at some particular time and took me out
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  Speaker 5: of context. The whole concept of incitement is very, very muddy.
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  Speaker 5: The whole concept of hatred is extreme, seemly what even
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  Speaker 5: is that?
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  Speaker 3: Nowadays? We know that facts facts are hateful.
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  Speaker 5: Nowadays, if you say a man can't be a woman, well,
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  Speaker 5: according to some people, you're an extremely hateful person for
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  Speaker 5: saying that very thing. But here's an interesting case for
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  Speaker 5: you which happened just today Peter LaLore, which you may
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  Speaker 5: be very familiar with. He's a sports commentator but also
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  Speaker 5: a journal He's been around the traps for a very
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  Speaker 5: long time. He's been dumped by the Sports Entertainment Network
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of commentating the cricket because he's been
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: posting regarding Gaza. Now, I've been on the guy's twitter
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  Speaker 5: feed and he posts about all manner of things, all
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  Speaker 5: and sundry. He had been told that this wasn't much
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  Speaker 5: of an issue, and then all of a sudden, it
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  Speaker 5: really really was.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Let's be clear here.
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  Speaker 5: I think the actions of the Israeli government and also
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  Speaker 5: Hamasa crimes against humanity. I retweet a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: stuff I see on social media because it needs to
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  Speaker 5: be seen. I received two calls from senior management at
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  Speaker 5: sen on the third day of the test and was
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  Speaker 5: informed on the fourth morning that I could no longer
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  Speaker 5: work for them. I was told there were accusations I
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  Speaker 5: was anti Semitic, which I strongly objected to. I was
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  Speaker 5: asked by station boss Pray Cutchison, who was civil, if
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  Speaker 5: I didn't care that my retweeting of events in Gaza
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  Speaker 5: made Jewish people in Melbourne feel unsafe. I said, I
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  Speaker 5: didn't want anyone to feel unsafe, to which I would
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  Speaker 5: simply ask, are you tweeting facts? Peter? If you're tweeting facts,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem.
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  Speaker 5: We do well. We say we have free speech in
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  Speaker 5: this country. He's a journo sharing news articles, many of
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  Speaker 5: them from Haretz, Israel's own longest running newspaper. It's been
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  Speaker 5: running since nineteen eighteen. Now, Usman Kwawaja, have i Kwaja?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not a cricket fan. Can you tell he's a
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  Speaker 5: veteran Aussie opener. He's come into bat Do you like that?
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  Speaker 5: Very behind Peter Lalo, He said standing up for the
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  Speaker 5: people of Gaza is not andy Semitic, nor does it
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  Speaker 5: have anything to do with my Jewish brothers and sisters
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  Speaker 5: in Australia, but everything to do with the Israeli government
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  Speaker 5: and their deplorable actions. It has everything to do with
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  Speaker 5: justice and human rights. Unfortunately, hatred towards the Jewish and
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  Speaker 5: Muslim community will always exist. Peter is a good guy
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  Speaker 5: with a good heart. He deserves better. I got to
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  Speaker 5: say I agree with Kuwaja name I whose name I
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  Speaker 5: pronounced properly.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Usman Kowaja would say that, for one, he's
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  Speaker 1: a Musliman for two usman Kouwaja famously had a fight
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  Speaker 1: with the Australian Cricket Board over whether or not he
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  Speaker 1: could wear the Palestinian flag on his Australian uniform to
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  Speaker 1: show support for Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: So it's no surprising.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's a good statement. It's a clear delineation
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  Speaker 5: of terms to say. Look, just because you're not a
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: fan of forty seven thousand people being killed in Gaza, now.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: You can argue it was necessary.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: That's fine. But all Peter LaLore has done is share images,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: share articles from Israeli papers, and so on and so forth.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Nothing he has done because we need to be very
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: clear about what constitutes anti semitism, otherwise it runs the
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: risk of becoming the new racism, the new bigoted, if
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: everything's racist, if everything's bigoted, Like, let's be clear, this
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: guy has done nothing to say he hates.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: He's not been sacked for anti semitism. He's been sacked
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: because sen have had so many complaints about his Twitter
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: feed and about his stance on what's happening in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Middle East that people have said, we don't want to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: listen to you guys anymore because of this person, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: so seen have made a commercial decision. If we've got
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a presenter who a significant number of listeners are saying,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: we will not listen to your sports podcast if he's presenting,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: they've said, you know what, on balance, we're better off
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: getting rid of him and keeping our listeners.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Because in every CLI you guys condemn, cancel culture, but
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: become platform. And then every time it comes to someone to.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: No, no, no no. But but let's be clear, I will
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: admit here that ESI in did not do their do
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: their due diligence before they hired Peter Lawler, because you
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: only have to know who the bloke is and have
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: followed his work for some time to know that he
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: is an out and out lefty and has been tweeting
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: this sort of stuff for a very long time on Twitter.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: This is not a new sorry, new occurrence for him.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: He was at News Corp for a very long time
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: as the senior cricket writer at The Australian, most of
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: which he spent on Twitter bagging his News Corp colleagues,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: particularly conservative ones, and carrying on about that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he bit bring that into the.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: He bit the he and that fed him for a
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: very long time, and if you're going to live by
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: the sword, you've got to die by the sword. When
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: it came to Israel Falao, he said, if Falao had
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: kept a respectful silence instead of spouting secondhand hate at homosexuals,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: he would still be playing footy and we could all
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: move on. And of course we know what happened with
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Israel for Lao is that he got punted from the
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Wallabies because he dared to talk about his religion and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: post Bible tracks online. So he's saying if Falao just
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: kept his mouth shut and didn't talk about his religion openly,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: then it's fine. He wouldn't have been sacked from playing
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: footy and he'd still have a job. So why did
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Peter Lawler, as a cricket writer not just go I'll
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: leave my politics at the door and do my job
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: as a cricket writer. It's the prerogative of the employer
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: to say that he give everything, but he is a
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: highly political person online and if the job, but it's
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: the prerogative of the employer to decide if they Much
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: like we say all the time, we don't want to
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: be lectured by celebrities about it is.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Because they knew that before they hired him, So to
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: turn around now dump him in the middle of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: test just to be like, oh, because by the way,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: none of his tweets say anything. He is just sharing articles,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: so we'll say that he's spouting this or spouting that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You are by retweeting things, you are endorsing them. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: when you retweet articles saying Israel is committing genocide, you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: are saying.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Which was also by corrects the Israeli newspaper.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make it true.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: And clearly it's not true if Israeli committing genocide.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I think people are quite out of touch with the
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: unpopularity of Netnya who in Israel before October seven. It's
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: the case now a great number of people in Israel
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: want him to go to the ICC and face the charge.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: For the Harmasa still holding a couple of children hostage
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: more than a year after they were taking and in
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: fact is also.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Eighteen children who will never draw breath again. In Garb,
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: we don't have to lose our humanity.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You can lose humanity. There called moral clarity. Her mass
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: broke us.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Eighteen thousand children. Let's have some moral clarity about that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Here is the villain helpless.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Sure, there's all these children in Gaza who have suffered
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: as a result of this conflict, and the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Villain is eighteen thousand.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Sure, whatever the number is, children have suffered, and the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: villain is not Israel.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: The villain is Hermas.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And yet Peter Larla Layla never tweets about Harmas, not
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a single thing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's all about Israel.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And for that reason, especially Jewish people in Australia have
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: called it out and said this is reprehensible. This guy
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: has zero moral clarity. We don't want to listen to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: him commentate on the cricket and said.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: You know what, Isse articles, they're just coming up with
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: all the facts and figures of the reality of what's
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: happened on the ground in guns. Who's to blame which
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: is no.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Mac, Who's to blame?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Mac? You're saying it was absolutely necessary that forty I had.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Been taken hostage by terrorists. I would do whatever, I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: would only show.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, let's say you've had eighteen thousand children and
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: they're all say, you're on the other side of this.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: There is no reason why you can't say I believe
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: it to be absolutely necessary. What happened and I blame
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: it completely on Hermas, but the lack of humanity I
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: have seen around this that people can't even bring themselves
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge that is something to weep over.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: But there's also no need for sports broadcasters to start
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: delving into polity.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: He's met about every reason, but he's a sports journalist
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: and he's wearing articles written by Israeli, so to say that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: I just think that this is being completely misrepresented. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think he should have been dumped.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's been misrepresented. I think people know
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: exactly where he stands, and people don't.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Like, you're allowed to stand there. We're just going to.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Fire all the row Palestinians the flight, and I see
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: this as like, oh my god, what are you saying?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: A commercial operation shouldn't be allowed to say? You know what,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: this doesn't fit with what we want. We're losing listeners.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: As Caleb has already said, they knew it before they
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: hired here.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I think they miss I think they missed that up.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: They realized it too late. But still I think they're
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: within their rights to sack him for doing stuff.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: That they don't want him to do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: And he was a casual. So it wasn't like he
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: had a long term contract with people.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Are offended by facts them. I did not see him
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: post anything that I found to be untruthful. Then, okay,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: isn't exactly what we're talking about. If someone is saying
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: facts now in Victoria, there's oh, this is verlification.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It's not effect.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That is in genocide. That's not a fact. It's not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a fact. We should move on. Let's go to USA
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: because we're never going to agree on this. If you're
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: tuning into the cricket in Sri Lanka, Peter Lalo is
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: no longer commentator.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I remind you of cricket.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It's about that. Well, I think this is the.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Only thing on television. Are you talking about it?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on right now. Surely it's not.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: They've changed the channel already.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: We talked last night about the fact that US AID,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: which provides a humanitarian relief to people around the world
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: at the expense of taxpayers in the US about forty
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: billion dollars a year, is being gone through with a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: fine toothed comb by Elon Musk and his doge team.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And I tell you what, Trump's administration do not look
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: like they are going to let up despite the cacophony
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of criticism that was unleashed when Musk went into the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: officers with his team and demanded access to all of
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: their records. Elon Musk tweeted today that us AID is
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a criminal organization, and Caroline Levett, the White House spokesperson,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: she outlined exactly why US taxpayers should be outraged about
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: what's been allowed to happen with USAID of the Biden
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: administration for so many years have listened.
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: So if you look at the waste and abuse that
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: has run through USAID over the past several years, these
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: are some of the insane priorities that that organization has
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: been spending money on. One point five million dollars to
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces, seventy thousand for a production
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: of a Dei musical in Ireland, forty seven thousand for
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: a transgender opera in Colombia, thirty two thousand for a
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: transgender comic book in Peru. I don't know about you,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: but as an American taxpayer, I don't want my dollars
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: going towards this scrap, and I know the American people
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: don't either.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: That's the first time I've ever thought of a transgendered
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: opera as being humanitarian relief.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: But there you go.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Maco Rubio, who's now taken control of USA, basically said
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: this has been the problem. They've been a law unto themselves.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: They have basically evolved into an agency that believes that
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: they're not even a US government agency, that they are
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: out there a global charity. They take the taxpayer money
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: and they spend it as a global charity, irrespective of
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: whether it is in the national interest or not in
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: the national interest. They are supporting programs that upset the
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: host government for whom we're trying to work with on
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: a broader scale and so forth. So they're completely unresponsible.
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: They just don't consider that they work for the US.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump was far more succinct in his take on
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: US eight.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: Here, what, well, it's been run by a bunch of
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: radical lunatics, and we're getting them out. US AID run
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: by radical lunatics, and we're getting them out, and then
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: we'll make a.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Decision calib It's hard to argue.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, the more you hear about the money that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: is being wasted thrown around on all manner of lefty fetishes,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like transgendered operas in Colombia. Would anyone have ever imagined
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that was an AID project?
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, the people running the show, we will aware that
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: there was a quote unquote AID project. That's why they're
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: so upset that the things be dismantled, because they can't
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: do what they've always been able to do. Like I
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: said last night, the idea that this was an independent body,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: so it was not controlled by the present, it's crazy, like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: here's just a pot of money for you to go
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and do what you want with, including DEI in Serbi
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and transgender operas. Now, I'm actually kind of curious to
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: go to the transgender opera now because I just want
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: to see what they've spent their money on YouTube. Yeah,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I reckon, I've got to go and investigate this now.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: But it's proven what a joke this is, and the
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: idea that there is more oversight is never a bad thing, unless,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: of course, you're the one who's been trusted with all
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the money for that time and you've had the rug
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: pulled out from underneath you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: The fact that it's lasted this long, I mean JFK
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: started USAID and it was supposed to be for this
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: very reason. More oversight. It was like, well, what are
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: these guys getting up to. This was back when the
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: CIA was under Alan Dulles, and good lord, you can
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: still see the trailer of destruction that man left, who's
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: in numerous countries. Absolutely, So JFK was like, Okay, I've
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: had enough of this. I want to overhaul this. But
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: here we are decades later and it's gone straight back
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: to Alan Dulles's style. USAID is a front for the CIA.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Technically it has a budget bigger than the State Department.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And let's see other the CIA itself.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: So these guys are the money guys, and there she is,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: and we can laugh about that list of ridiculous sounding projects.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: You can bet your bottom dollar that's not actually what
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: it's funding. These guys don't hand out AID. They cooperate
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: and coordinate to do all sorts of clandestine stuff in
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: foreign countries to establish American hegemony in regions where they're like, well,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: we want a stronger foothold here, we want a stronger
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: foothold there. So it sounds clownish, but you can bet
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: your bottom dollar that's actually not what it's being spent
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: on in those foreign countries at all. We're back home
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: to Australia now where Donald Trump. We know that he
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: was the most popular Republican to win the gong since
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: nineteen eighty eight. That's how comprehensive his victory was. And
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: yet the Greens have decided no, no, this is the
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: end of the world as we know it, and the
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: little Greens party here in Australia want to make sure
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: as they move this emergency motion that everyone understands this
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: is an emergency and this man must be stopped.
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: The election of Donald Trump is a threat to Australia
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: and the world. His attacks on human rights, democracy, climate action,
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: the toxic relationship mister Trump has with the tech billionaires
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoch, the media billionaire
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: into the Oval Office to help him rule the world.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: This is scary stuff. It's terrifying.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Ruberbov has just been promoted apparently he's rule the world now.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: But she's right. It is terrifying if you're a Green
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: because while he's not a threat to democracy, here is
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: a threat to every single one of that party's ideologies.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: And because it's so popular now on the other side
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: of the globe, the momentum is growing over here. They say,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: America sneezes. The rest of the world catches a cold. Well,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I like this sneeze, and these guys are afraid as
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: this cold catches on here in Australia and Trump fever
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: seizes everyone, they know that this is the graveyard of
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: their ambition that they are staring down, not just this year,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: but for many years to come.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Now, our senators don't sit that often, right, and so
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you would expect when our senators gather together, they would
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: debate the big issues that are of concern to the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Australian public. And we could name them pretty quickly, you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of other things as well.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: But Senator Nick McKim from the Greens.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: He moved, it's called a matter of urgency, so the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Senate will stop and debate this particular issue because it's urgent.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And so the matter of urgency was that the election
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump is a threat to Australia and to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And for that the.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Greens halted discussion on everything affects you and I in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: our daily lives, so they could promptificate over Donald Trump
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: meeting in his office with Ripert Murdoch to rule the world.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: What a waste of space the Australian Greens are.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: If I ruled the world, every day would be the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: first day of spring. Sarah Hanson Young would be living
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: in Peaking. If I rule the world, you would think,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: like they clearly they've realized that they're I can't keep
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: going because the viewers will have there is blending. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: you know, they realized they're in trouble, and you'd think,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: having realized that they are in trouble, that go, okay,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: maybe we should temper ourselves a little bit now and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: just try to hang on. No, no, no, let's just
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: go full blown off the reservation and lean into how
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: crazy we are, which is why people have been turning
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: off them. Oh yes, now we've got the winner.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: We've got the winner.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a threat to the world and he
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: must be stopped because his mates with Elon Musk and
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Mark Zuckerpergen Rupert Murdoch. I mean, you could not get
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: anything crazier, could you, Sarah Hanson Young, South Australian. Unfortunately
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I have to report so I think I've said this before.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I took great pleasure when and I don't know normally
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: talk about how I vote, but when I voted in
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the twenty nineteen federal election now still in South Australia,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: vote below the line as I always did in the.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Senate were you old enough to eight?
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: And I made sure that Sarah Hanson Young was last
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: on the ballot paper.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I took great pleasure in doing that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about someone who's not last on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: The ballot paper.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: It would seem that would be Nigel Farage and his
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: party Reform UK. Now just consider this party is less
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: than a year old. He started this party last year,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: just weeks before the federal election over there, when he
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: said he was going to have a go and put
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: his hat in the ring for Clacton, which of course
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: he won. He has started from zero and now, according
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: to the latest polling, it's the most popular party in
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the UK. No, it's not a joke because of course
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: the Starma government has just been so bloody awful. Have
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: look at the numbers here, twenty five percent. Reform UK
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: is now polling the government lay which was elected in
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: a landslide barely seven eight months ago, twenty four percent,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the Tories twenty one percent, the lib dims fourteen and
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the Greens nine. This man is a runaway train. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: here he was earlier tonight Nigel Frage talking to Paul
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Murray about this.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Polly, You know.
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: What, the consensus we've had for years doesn't work. Ordinary
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: folk get poorer, our borders are open, excess migration changes
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: our communities. People want strong, patriotic, real leadership that actually
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: cares about ordinary people, not just the big corporates.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And don't forget, of course, there was that petition a
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: few months ago calling for another general election. About four
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: months after they just had one.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Million, which is.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Two point seven seven million signatures.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Who of everyday people.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Even know about a petition that someone's lodged on the
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: parliamentary website. That is how much traction that has to
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: set a record four months old. The Prime Minister was
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: in the role, and that many people went out of
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: their way to say, for the love of God, or
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: in their case, the love of country, let's go to
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: another general election. Please. To be honest, I couldn't believe,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: given the state of the UK at the end of
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the Tory government, but before Starmer even got a chance,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I couldn't believe that reform didn't romp it in at
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: the last election because the country was in a terrible state.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Then it seems to have taken this government to nudge
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: the feeble populace to a level of fury whereby they're
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: like this guy all the way to the top.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if our Liberal Party is watching what's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: happening in the UK and observing that people are sick
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of Conservatives who talk a right wing game and then
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: govern like a left wing government. They want conservatives to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: stand for conservative principles and do it boldly for ajs
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: reaping the benefit.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, the problem is look here to stand.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: That, just like over there, the politicians have to shill
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: for the votes. So once you've got numbers like we
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: have here in Australia, or only a third of us
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: were born here, you have to shill for the other
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: two thirds as votes. So they're never going to be
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: as hardline as any of us would probably like.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: To see because it got that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Many people from other countries. You have to shield you're
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: out there mercy. You can't just come out and be like, oh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: actually I'm going to be suddenly very nationalistic and very patriotic.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: It simply won't work. You'll never get into government.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Ye farajas doing it least twenty five percent. So we'll
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: see where at LANs. Let's go to a break when
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: we come back. Interesting story on the front page of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Australian. A big announcement from the government about the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: latest Chinese artificial intelligence app that won't be allowed on
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: any government systems or devices. All that in a month,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: all right, some big stories on the front page of
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: tomorrow's Australian newspaper, not least of which Liz, the Australian
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Government's made a big announcement on the future of AI
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in this country.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: They have Indeed, they're not doing another TikTok. They saw
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: how that got out of hand pretty fast.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: There's time they're onto it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Quick security ban for deep Seek artificial intelligence Chinese artificial
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: intelligence app Deep Seek has been banned from Australian government
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: systems and devices following an assessment by intelligence agencies that
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the software poses an unacceptable risk to national security. The move,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: set in motion by a Home Affairs Protective Security Order,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: is similar to the government's ban on TikTok on official devices.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: To quote Minister Tony Burke, the Albanezi government is taking
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: swift and decisive action to protect Australia's national security and
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: national interest. AI is a technology full of potential and opportunity,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: but the government will not hesitate to act when our
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: agencies identify a national security risk. Our approach is country
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: agnostic and focused on the risk to the Australian Government
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and our assets. Okay, So that last sentence I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: we can safely conclude was a bit of bs. I
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: don't think it's country agnostic at all. If this was
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: an American app, we probably wouldn't be worried about it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: But hey, I think they've seen what happened with techtok.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: They woke up way too late. There's now eight point
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: five million monthly users in Australia alone of that Chinese app,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: which we know is a massive data harvesting apparatus for
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: the CCP, And here they are going, hang on a minute,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: when we're not going to have the Chinese AI, which,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: by the way, there's plenty of other AIS to choose from,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: like Elon's Groc and others. So it's not that Ozzie's
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: will now be bereft of this function. It's simply a
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: big no to this one, and they haven't banned it
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: for all OSSI's they're simply saying we're not using it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: and we very strongly advise that you familiarize yourself with
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: how your data can be used, should you choose to
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: use it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: It's nice to see this government showing leadership and getting
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: onto something immediately, rather than allowing events to overtake them
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: before belatedly they try and mop up the mess.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: So credit where credit's due.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Good decision from Tony Burke on this one, and as
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: for him calling it a country agnostic decision, you're.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Right, it's bs.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: However, they have to play the game.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Oh but and to be fair that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: We probably should have a discussion about whether or not
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: it should be available to use for anyone, because of
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: course we like in China, they're not using rock and
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: they're not using chat GPT because they'd be worried that
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: such things might give them information about the Western world,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: or perhaps more pertinently, give them information about.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: The Chinese world.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Iye, what happened in Tianam and Square, et cetera. We
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: know what Deepseek says about all of these things. You
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: go on there and ask about Tianam and square and says, oh,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about. Let's talk about
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: something else, right, So we allow China and its businesses,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: which are always in some way link to the CCP,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: to have influence and power in our countries, but of
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: course they don't allow our businesses, Western businesses to have
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: that level of power and influence in their country. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: it is it's an unfair balance. I think in some
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: ways that needs to be addressed.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It's a really good point for a government that keeps
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: banging on about misinformation and disinformation to allow a Chinese
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Communist Party app to have free reign through the populace.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: If they're really that concerned, do something about that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, of a moral quandary, it would barely trouble
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: a child. So we're glad that the Albanezy government hasn't
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: find this too difficult. Back to the ods now off
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: the sheep's back crisis of the wool industry. Australia's sheep
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: industry is facing a mass exodus, with wool production at
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: its lowest in a century, as farmers increasingly turn away
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: from the shearing shed and to the slaughter house in
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: the face of rising costs and low prices. The industry
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: that once carried the fortunes of regional Australia on its
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: back is in the midst of a profitability crisis, with
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: farmers last year cutting losses and sending the highest number
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: of adult sheep to the Abatoir since the floor price
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: was removed three decades ago. The article also talks about how,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: of course this has been massively influenced by the fact
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: that this government's van on live sheep export, which is
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: set to come into full effect in twenty twenty eight,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: just has these farmers saying, look, with the costs of
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: running the industry as it is, and us already knowing
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: what's coming down the track, it simply doesn't make sense
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: to keep going anymore.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: According to this article, wool production in Australia is the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: lowest it's been since nineteen three, which is just astonishing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: So you've got sheep, you can either sell the meat,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you can export them overseas, or u can fleece them
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and sell the wool, so there are three options. The
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: government's banned live exports, so that's gone. The price of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: wool has fallen through the floor, so they're not making
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: money there. So our farmers are deserting the sheep farming
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: industry altogether. And we always prided ourselves on being a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: nation that rode on the sheep's back. Yeah, and the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: longer trill in the government actually anything to.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Help production costs have gone through the roof shearers, etc.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: The wages they have to pay them. And I thought
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: this was extraordinary because I have woolen pieces in my
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: wardrobe at home, Australian maid that were put together in
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies, right, and they're as good as the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: day they were made. You can find them.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: They're still fashion Yeah they are.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I'll wear one one night and you know, Australian made,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: good quality, Australian made woolen stuff. Right. It says here
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: that the Australian wool industry has been trying to market
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: itself overseas to overcome these woes. All but half a
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: billion dollars have been spent on marketing in the last decade,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: funded by farmer levies. Now, wonder the farmers don't have
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: any money. They're pooning up all this money hoping we'll
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: promote our product overseas.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Like five hundred million.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Dollars they have spent for basically no return. If you're
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: a farmer, you're belivered.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: It's just another way in which our farmers have been
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: dudded here in Australia. To the third article on the
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: front of the OS plot thickens on why Prime Minister
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: won't just say when he first learned of that then
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: bomb mate, Why won't you just spit it out? Anthony
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Albaneze's refusal to reveal when he was told about the
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: planned mass casualty terror attack targeting Jewish Australians in Sydney
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: is undermined by his previous public confirmations regarding terrorism, espionage
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: and defense national security briefing. So we know that he's
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: obfuscated about this. Well, look, I'm briefed on things all
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: the time, and I don't just face the public and
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: tell them everything I've learned from the police. But this
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: article very smartly outlines when he did tell the public
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: about the synagogue attack, the Adas synagogue attack, the Willara
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: fire bombing, the Wakely church attack, Russian espionage back in
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, the RAAF Chinese aircraft incident, and the
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: post October seven Hamas terror attack. So this guy has
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: form now coming out and telling everyone. Well, I know
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: that's not following protocol. Of course, I'm not just going
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: to spill the beans to everyone as soon as I've
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: been briefed. I mean, who's believing him at this point?
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: And it just makes it more suspicious.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a pretty damning article. And of course
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to add to that, Chris Min's, the new Southwest Premier,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was very forthright telling people when security agencies had told
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: him that it was a terrorist incident. So Chris Mins
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: didn't have any problem with protocol or you know, breaking confidences.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Albanezy looks completely inept here and he looks shifty.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Indeed, and just very quickly. We should note before we
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: go speaking of Chris Mins, that his Transport Minister Joe
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Halen resigned today after taking that van trip up to
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the Hunter Valley on the Australia Day weekend. She said
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: the other day, look, you know, I'll repay the money.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: It's all good and men's back during but someone gave
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: her a little tap on the shoulder as more news
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: came out last night and darlink that's the end of it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That's the end of that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Resigned from capin We're going to go to a break
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: when we come back. Apparently in Queensland you're allowed to
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: threaten to punch your boss and sacking is disproportionate punishment.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: You keep your job. We'll look at that in just
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a second. Welcome back.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems it takes a lot to get the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: sack at the Gladstone City Council.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: It does, indeed, so get this.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: About fifteen months ago, this bloke had been struggling with
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: psiati Kai's feeling flat and anxious. He sends a text
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: to his mate while he thought he was his mate
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: at work, calling the boss the sea word and saying
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to have to punch on with them,
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: but I don't like this guy very much, hence the language.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: The guy who.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Received the text thought it was a great idea to
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: show this to the boss. He said it was out
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: of concern for his friend. His friend was then called
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: into the boss's office and stood down on leave initially
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: but then shacked. Apparently he wasn't very happy about being
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: called the SeaWorld. But in a win for everyone who
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: loves using profanity, the Queensland Industrial Relations Commission has said
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: that the Council's got to rehire this guy. The Industrial
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Commissioner Roslin McLennan found after a two day hearing in
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: November twenty twenty four that this guy's termination by the
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: council was harsh, unjust and unreasonable. In her finding, she
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: said he was not given twenty four hours notice of
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: that meeting with the boss, he wasn't informed of his
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: right to have a union representative or any other representative president,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: and he wasn't provided in detail regarding what the meeting
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: was about and why his attendance was required. So he
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: now gets fifteen months back pay, hasn't been working, now
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: gets refunded in full, and his job is reinstated. Can
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: you imagine how awkward his first day back in the
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: job it's going to be.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: But so it should be, because the real villain here
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: is his mate, who ran off and showed private text
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: messages to the bo I was.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Worried about boss's welfare as well.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Come on, seriously, if.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: You look at the if you look at.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: The message, he doesn't sound like he's actually going to
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: punch on with him. And let's be serious here, if
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: we start sacking everyone who has ever seen a rude
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: message about their boss to a colleague, nearly the whole
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: country will get sacked tomorrow, Like this can't be the.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Standard on not you go on every night about incitement
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to violence.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: This guy's roll incitement Who a sad party felt like
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: they wanted to punch on with their boss is how.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It goes in writing.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I think that the lesson. That's all we've got time
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: for tonight. Thanks for your company, but stick around. Coming
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: up in just a moment, it's the Reader Penny Show.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Good Night,