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A Bit of a Preview · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: That's more.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're in Boston now, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I am in Boston.
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SPEAKER_00: I ask as if I don't know for a fact you're in Boston.
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SPEAKER_01: You have me on front of my friend still from Armenia, so you could actually drag that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'm in Boston.
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SPEAKER_01: We move.
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SPEAKER_01: How's Boston?
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SPEAKER_01: It is fun.
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SPEAKER_01: We live in the city.
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SPEAKER_01: Like our address is a Boston address,
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SPEAKER_01: but we're in an outer ring kind of suburb-y area,
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SPEAKER_01: which I think is absolutely clutch.
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SPEAKER_01: It is much nicer than if we were living city center.
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SPEAKER_01: It would just be kind of rough.
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SPEAKER_01: But we're all moved in.
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SPEAKER_01: I still have a million Amazon boxes coming today still.
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SPEAKER_01: For little things, but we're mostly settled and this is life now.
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SPEAKER_01: We're used to heading over to campus in Brookline during the day
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SPEAKER_01: and finding our new favorite restaurants and stores.
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SPEAKER_01: And I went to a very interesting grocery store this morning in
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SPEAKER_01: the neighborhood I
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SPEAKER_01: did not necessarily belong in, but, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it was fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: They had all the ingredients I was going for.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm making vegan pozole for lunch, so.
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SPEAKER_00: Ew.
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SPEAKER_00: Why vegan?
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SPEAKER_00: Disgusting.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I'm Greek Orthodox, and on Wednesdays and Fridays, we don't eat meat.
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SPEAKER_01: Wednesdays and Fridays, we don't eat meat.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know it was a Wednesday thing as well.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's rough.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not easy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not the most fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Roman Catholics do that during Lent.
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SPEAKER_00: That's plenty enough.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we also do it during Lent.
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SPEAKER_01: And then there's also the two fast periods in summer.
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SPEAKER_01: You have Dormition fast and you have the Apostles fast.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, we have to eat vegan food a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Big on the self-flagellation.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, suffering is a big part of being Orthodox.
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SPEAKER_01: So here we are.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, today I am making a ton of pozole,
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SPEAKER_01: like all of the seminarians' wives get together on Wednesday after Vespers and
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SPEAKER_01: a kind of soup dinner.
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SPEAKER_01: And I don't actually think I'm going to it this week,
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SPEAKER_01: but I am going to deliver a big thing of
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SPEAKER_00: soup for it.
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SPEAKER_00: You should go to it.
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SPEAKER_00: You shouldn't be antisocial.
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SPEAKER_00: Go hang out with the wives.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I have to be antisocial tonight because tomorrow is packed with a ton of stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: My kids start Greek dance lessons tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01: For the last name Odell, we're like going full Greek.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm having dinner with our bishop later tomorrow night.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually have to get a lot done today.
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SPEAKER_00: I assume Greek dancing is just like holding hands in a circle and kicking.
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SPEAKER_00: That seems to be the usual dance in most areas down there.
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SPEAKER_01: The kicking is very specific.
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SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of footsteps you have to do.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of different holds that you do.
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SPEAKER_01: There are some holds where it's over the shoulders.
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SPEAKER_01: There's some where you link arms.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's actually really fun to watch my kids do it.
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SPEAKER_01: They're pretty good at it, which is weird.
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SPEAKER_01: They do it at summer camp and they're really excited to start doing it during the week.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's a universal thing,
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SPEAKER_00: but my kids are much more athletic and into doing like athletic things
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SPEAKER_00: than I ever was.
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SPEAKER_00: And I certainly never encouraged them.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's like a generational thing is what they're with
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SPEAKER_00: the people they know we're doing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just not because I've Not I was never into sports like both
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SPEAKER_00: of my daughters do various forms of running.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I never ran.
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SPEAKER_00: I have my entire life spent trying to avoid having to be in situations where I needed to run.
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SPEAKER_00: So recreationally, like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: being in cross country, I always say that I'm like, you know, God, God bless you.
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SPEAKER_00: If you ever want to drop out, I'm not I'm not going to be able to say a word.
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SPEAKER_00: Lord knows I didn't do cross country.
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SPEAKER_00: But, you know, you keep on trucking.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like that about Greek dancing,
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SPEAKER_01: I wish I could do it, but I would trip over myself in the first, like, two steps.
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SPEAKER_01: My daughter laughs because she's like, yeah, you and dad should not ever.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what Luke's going to do when he's a priest and people expect him
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SPEAKER_01: to Greek dance because he can't dance either.
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SPEAKER_01: Neither of us, like, we've never been dancers.
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SPEAKER_01: We, at our wedding, we did the, like, little side shuffle white person dance.
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SPEAKER_01: I always called that movie dance,
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SPEAKER_01: like, Well, that's the kind of dancing I can do, and even that I
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SPEAKER_00: don't do well.
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SPEAKER_00: I used to be a very good dancer.
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SPEAKER_00: She wasn't my wife then, but my wife and I used to swing dance.
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SPEAKER_00: We took ballroom dance classes in college.
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SPEAKER_00: I could, you know, foxtrot, cha-cha, and tango.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't done it in a while.
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SPEAKER_00: You guys should do that again.
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SPEAKER_01: That would be really fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Where we live now, there aren't a lot of opportunities.
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SPEAKER_00: We're now, what, like 25 years beyond the height of the swing revival?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a little over, probably.
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SPEAKER_00: I think in urban areas, there are little swing clubs that still exist, but not around.
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SPEAKER_00: Around here, if I went looking for a swing club, I'd probably get the wrong kind.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not into that.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not what I'm looking for.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't, after having met your wife, I don't think she'd be really into that either.
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SPEAKER_00: She is definitely not into that, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: But, no, I was in Boston a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I think I was 14, so this would have been 30 years ago, somewhere around there.
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SPEAKER_00: It was before they, the last time I was in Boston was before they did the Big Dig.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I've told you
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SPEAKER_01: that before.
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SPEAKER_00: So I haven't seen it since they,
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SPEAKER_00: They rationalized their highway system to be more of an urban center.
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SPEAKER_00: Supposedly, we're trying to figure out coming up there to the New England area in October.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would be fun.
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SPEAKER_01: If only you had a friend that lived up here that could go check out hotels that are inexpensive.
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SPEAKER_01: And if only she had sent you links to hotels that were less expensive.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I spent yesterday,
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SPEAKER_00: it looked like around Framingham, I assume that's how they pronounce it, Framingham.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't ask me I'm from Colorado, I mispronounce everything.
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SPEAKER_00: I think around there, we might stay there, then radiate out from there to go visit places.
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SPEAKER_00: So you drove all the way across our beautiful nation.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're not going to pretend you took in any of it because you were on a marathon drive.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I do usually.
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SPEAKER_01: I love to do really fun, unique road stops.
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SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love the drive out east.
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SPEAKER_01: I used to commute out, well,
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SPEAKER_01: I was going from Wisconsin to Colorado,
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SPEAKER_01: Wisconsin to Kansas City, and then Colorado to Maryland a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm used to all of the drives.
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SPEAKER_01: I love them.
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SPEAKER_01: They're actually really pretty.
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SPEAKER_01: We didn't have time to do that this time because my husband
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SPEAKER_01: and my son had left two weeks before my daughter and I had taken off and we needed
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SPEAKER_01: to get to Boston by Monday and we left like Friday night.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was a straight through.
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SPEAKER_00: You're leaving out why it was that you didn't go out with your husband and your son.
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SPEAKER_00: What was so pressing that you chose to stay in Colorado for an extra two weeks?
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SPEAKER_01: We stayed for two weeks because of the My Chemical Romance concert.
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SPEAKER_01: Look, they haven't been touring.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the 20th anniversary show after the Black Parade.
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SPEAKER_01: It's my daughter's favorite band.
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SPEAKER_01: It's her best friend's favorite band.
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SPEAKER_01: We went with my daughter and her best friend and her best friend's mom.
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SPEAKER_01: It actually was a great show.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, why are we staying for this?
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SPEAKER_01: They put on a whole show there.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a very theatric, like they had a ton of theatric elements to it.
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SPEAKER_01: They basically acted out the Black Parade on stage.
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SPEAKER_01: And then afterwards they had the B stage set up and they played
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SPEAKER_01: a whole other concert afterwards for some of their non-Black Parade songs.
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SPEAKER_01: It was fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: If you can tolerate My Chemical Romance music,
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SPEAKER_01: which is not something that Lee can do,
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SPEAKER_01: it was actually very much a show worth going to.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever heard of My Chemical Romance song,
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SPEAKER_00: so, you know, but I'm going to say- You may have.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, there were a couple that were pretty viral.
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SPEAKER_01: If you heard it,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe you'd be like, oh, I heard that in the background of the movie or something.
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SPEAKER_00: Many people have made the mistake of assuming that I, like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, oh,
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SPEAKER_00: you must have heard this,
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SPEAKER_00: and Most of the time, those people find out that, no, I have not heard that.
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SPEAKER_01: Most of the time, it's me.
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SPEAKER_01: You're saying this about me because I have made unfortunate jokes in the past
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SPEAKER_01: that you did not take well.
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SPEAKER_00: No, this predates you massively.
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SPEAKER_00: People are always like, oh, everyone was listening to that.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I wasn't.
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SPEAKER_00: When that came out, I was like 16.
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SPEAKER_00: I was only listening to the classical music.
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SPEAKER_00: When I got to college,
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SPEAKER_00: I moved up and I started listening to the popular hits of the 19,
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SPEAKER_00: the 19 teens and 20s.
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SPEAKER_00: You're such an old man.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I always joke with you like that because my husband was homeschooled and grew up abroad.
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SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times I'll be listening to things and my husband and I have
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SPEAKER_01: a really similar taste in music and we liked the same music.
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SPEAKER_01: Musicians in college and in high school,
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SPEAKER_01: we didn't know each other,
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SPEAKER_01: but if we're turning on our 90s or 2000s mix, it's the same music.
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SPEAKER_01: But there are a lot of times that I'll reference something and he'll look at me
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm like, did you grow up on another planet?
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SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, oh right, you did.
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SPEAKER_01: You grew up in London.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't know what I'm talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: My wife listens to, like,
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SPEAKER_00: Top 40 radio when she was in high school,
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SPEAKER_00: so she actually is much more aware of,
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SPEAKER_00: she likes, she's much more into, like, hot swing.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of what she listens to is, like, hot swing.
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SPEAKER_00: She really likes squirrel nuts.
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SPEAKER_00: Hot jazz, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: You have soft jazz and hot jazz.
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SPEAKER_00: Hot jazz is, like, New Orleans style, the very up-tempo, fast stuff you dance to.
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SPEAKER_00: So she, for preference,
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SPEAKER_00: will often listen to that or classical music,
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SPEAKER_00: but she at least is more familiar with a lot of the popular music of our youth in
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SPEAKER_00: the 90s than I am.
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SPEAKER_00: I think My Chemical Romance was 90s, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not misremembering that.
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SPEAKER_01: No, they were early 2000s.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like end of college.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, so it was 20 years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was college, like early 20s.
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SPEAKER_00: The 2000s was like five years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you're talking about.
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SPEAKER_00: It was not 20 years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so gross.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: I do remember some of their,
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SPEAKER_01: like one of the songs, Teenagers, I used to love to run to when I was in my 20s.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like my workout song.
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SPEAKER_01: They have some good...
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SPEAKER_01: I thoroughly enjoyed the concert.
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SPEAKER_01: It was really fun.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm also currently waiting on Oasis to...
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe, possibly, announce their next tour.
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SPEAKER_00: The brothers didn't manage to kill themselves in the last tour,
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SPEAKER_00: so, you know, they're just going to keep going until they do.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, inshallah.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I hope and pray.
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SPEAKER_01: They have a movie coming out,
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SPEAKER_01: and it's only in IMAX theaters,
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SPEAKER_01: and it opens on September 11th,
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SPEAKER_01: which is a little bit of an unfortunate day to open a movie on.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they're British.
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SPEAKER_01: But...
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SPEAKER_01: I am anxiously awaiting news on that because then I won't have to buy tickets to that again.
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SPEAKER_00: You can just go see it on IMAX.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure IMAX is really necessary for the effects.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't picture why you'd want to see that on IMAX.
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SPEAKER_00: It really seems like the sound system.
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SPEAKER_00: And IMAX do have good sound systems, though.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's why I think they also shot it really well.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of it is like the making of the tour that they had.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think they go into some of the brother strife before they reconciled.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't really know, but I will go and watch it.
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SPEAKER_00: Have they reconciled or are they just broke and are now willing to work together?
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SPEAKER_00: Do they like each other now?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the Gallagher brothers, so I don't know that I'm going to say they like each other.
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SPEAKER_01: I do think being somewhat sober or sober from certain things is really helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: I think they both still drink a lot,
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SPEAKER_01: but I don't think they're doing massive amounts of Coke anymore,
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SPEAKER_01: so that will do a lot for your psyche, I assume.
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SPEAKER_00: They're Irish, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like genetically, they grew up in England, but their parents are Irish, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: It's rather implied that they drink a lot of alcohol.
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SPEAKER_00: That just goes to the territory.
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SPEAKER_01: You are so mean about that.
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SPEAKER_01: I sent you a picture of the Irish Social Club and you're like, it's a mob front.
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SPEAKER_00: That's an IRA front.
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SPEAKER_00: That one actually isn't.
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SPEAKER_01: Oddly, very oddly, they host a lot of bar and bat mitzvahs at this one.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just an event center.
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SPEAKER_00: At some point in its history, that was an IRA front.
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SPEAKER_00: And it probably to some degree still,
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SPEAKER_00: the IRA doesn't have the same There's a lot of Albanians coming to America.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: There have been for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the deal with that is.
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SPEAKER_00: Albania is supposed to be beautiful,
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SPEAKER_00: but also not beautiful because their government has problems
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SPEAKER_00: and their economy has been collapsed since the late 90s when the Ponzi scheme
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SPEAKER_00: that it was operating on collapsed.
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SPEAKER_01: As someone whose husband is attending a Greek Orthodox seminary,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that we should get me started on Albanians.
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SPEAKER_00: They're fine.
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SPEAKER_00: They're just friendly, hardworking people.
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SPEAKER_00: The thing is, Albanians and Greeks really aren't actually that dissimilar.
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SPEAKER_00: They're next to each other.
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SPEAKER_00: No, they're exactly the same.
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SPEAKER_01: That's why they fight all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: I did the grocery store clerks.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a grocery store right near my house.
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SPEAKER_01: And again, like oddly very Albanian neighborhood, which I actually really enjoy.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just joking with all of this.
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SPEAKER_01: But there were these two grocery store clerks that straight up were like, where are you from?
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what?
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SPEAKER_01: I had my headphones in.
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SPEAKER_01: I couldn't really hear them.
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SPEAKER_01: And I didn't really hear what she said.
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SPEAKER_01: And she's like, where are you from?
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SPEAKER_01: And she's like, are you American?
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And she said, what about your parents?
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SPEAKER_01: Where are you from?
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Ireland and Germany and Poland.
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SPEAKER_01: And she's like, you eat a lot of pork because I had like so much pork in my cart.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, who can afford beef in
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SPEAKER_00: this country?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm surprised that they sell pork.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought most Albanians were Muslim.
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SPEAKER_00: Albania is a largely Muslim country, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_01: It was not an Albanian grocery store.
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SPEAKER_01: These were checkers out of Roche Brothers.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Pork and chicken, actually, are quite cheap now.
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SPEAKER_00: People keep complaining about beef.
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SPEAKER_00: You and I have discussed the beef prices.
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SPEAKER_00: Beef prices are high for various Exogenous reasons.
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SPEAKER_00: But pork and chicken are quite cheap.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why more people aren't.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, just pivot, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Learn how to make something other than a steak.
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SPEAKER_01: My daughter is, she put a temporary pork ban on our house because my daughter's really picky.
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SPEAKER_01: She doesn't like certain meats and she doesn't really like chicken.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a texture issue.
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SPEAKER_01: So like if there's ever any threat of like gristle or weirdness, she just won't eat it.
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SPEAKER_01: And pork she'll always eat like everything.
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SPEAKER_01: So I've been making like nonstop pork lately also because it's cheap.
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SPEAKER_01: And she last night was like, no more pork, please.
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SPEAKER_00: No more pork.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I made schnitzel, too, and I was like, come on, dude.
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SPEAKER_01: She ended up devouring everything, but she was like, please, just no more pork for a minute.
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SPEAKER_01: And I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Schnitzel's great.
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SPEAKER_00: I love schnitzel.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't normally...
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how else to put this.
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SPEAKER_00: Pounding meat always, I never liked.
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SPEAKER_00: For like a schnitzel and whatnot, you need to like pound it real thin.
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SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: See, I knew you were going to make this face.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, why are we children?
17:52
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm talking about.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: No, I know what you're talking about.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: I was doing it yesterday.
17:57
SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait, I'm sorry.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: What were you doing?
17:59
SPEAKER_00: No.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, stop.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: I made the pork chops.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: Stab it.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm a priest's wife, soon to be, which, by the way, I am so awkward in these groups.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: So all the seminarians get together and their wives have chat groups and things.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: I feel like the bull in a china shop in there.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: Number one, I'm so much older than everyone.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: My kids are older.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: I have a loud, unfiltered mouth.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: All these things that I'm
18:37
SPEAKER_00: I just don't fit.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: You often say you're going to make the worst Presbyteria.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't agree.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: I think that people of all types need a religious affiliated figure to look up to,
18:52
SPEAKER_00: even people like you.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: You'll find your people.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Once you're out there, you'll find your people and they'll gravitate towards you.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: I do have to say I'm really, really excited.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: So far, all of my husband's like church instructors.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: So the teachers who are priests who go through and talk about like.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: A lot of the priests are pushing back against that and saying,
19:42
SPEAKER_01: like, this actually isn't biblical.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: This actually isn't what we believe.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: If people are coming to you looking for this.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: And so Luke comes home and he's like, oh, Father Bartholomew said blah, blah, blah today.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yes, give him a hug for me.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I love this man.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: We've discussed before.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: It's refreshing that, like, online is not real life.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course not.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: We've discussed before that they have...
20:12
SPEAKER_00: The Orthodox is attracting people of questionable character into their fold.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it does tend to be,
20:21
SPEAKER_01: so the Greek Orthodox Church is viewed as like the liberal one,
20:26
SPEAKER_01: which is just absolutely wrong and bonkers.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: But, yeah.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, so, you know, we're...
20:37
SPEAKER_00: I think it's good to have some level of pushback against a lot of that.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: I know the Roman Catholic Church, I think, has it to a lesser extent.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if you have been watching the Catholic Orthodox news lately, but...
20:55
SPEAKER_01: Our ecumenical patriarch and Pope Leo are both working hard on trying
21:01
SPEAKER_01: to heal our schismatic rift.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: So we will see.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm watching that daily.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: It's interesting to see what people say online because so many people are like,
21:13
SPEAKER_01: oh, well, they have to do this or this or this.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, look, that is for You're bishops.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: That is for the pope.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: That is for your patriarch.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: That's for all of them to figure out.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: If you are not really into that and you don't want us all to be together,
21:28
SPEAKER_01: you're probably here for the wrong reasons.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: I would think that I don't think that certainly not within our lifetimes
21:35
SPEAKER_00: and probably not within our children's lifetimes.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't expect the churches just straight up reunify.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: That's too many moving parts, way too much complicated.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: I could see a you could be in I could see them be.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Building roads to become in communion with each other.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's all I care for.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: Like, they don't need to be the same church.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Just for them to be in communion would be,
21:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know that this is the very, like, Catholic part of me.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: But just being in communion is my only goal.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: In the same way that the cops and the,
22:11
SPEAKER_00: like, the Marianites are in communion with the Catholic church, but they're not.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: But they retain their own individual identity.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: That's 100%
22:22
SPEAKER_01: exactly like that.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: We're also trying with the Armenians.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: So the Orthodox are going in two directions, like trying to heal the Armenian rift as well.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty old schism, as I learned when we were in Armenia.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: It is.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: It dates back to 300 instead of...
22:41
SPEAKER_01: Instead of a thousand.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: But, you know, yeah.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: No, these things are really interesting.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a really interesting time to be specifically on campus here just
22:54
SPEAKER_01: because so many people are working towards that.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: So, I don't know.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: It's been fun so far to get to see a lot of that stuff and to get involved in
23:06
SPEAKER_01: a lot more of those parts of the church.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: Definitely very interesting.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: We're probably boring everyone listening to this, but it is something I'm into.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm so jealous.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: You're going to sit here and smoke.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: I can't do that.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: I am outside.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: The internet on my desktop wasn't working properly.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm so jealous.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: I wish I could sit here and smoke.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: We actually have a balcony outside,
23:36
SPEAKER_00: and I could get my Starlink out there and just sit out there,
23:39
SPEAKER_00: but we don't have a table or anything out there yet.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: Aspirational goals.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, although we live like three blocks from a police station,
24:01
SPEAKER_01: so you always hear the sirens firing up.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: So it might be a little loud if I do that.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: That urban life.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: That urban life.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we, again, like we are Boston City.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: We're not city proper, but we are like.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: I know.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: That was.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: We live in Chicago.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: That was.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: We didn't technically live in Chicago.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: We live in Oak Park, which is.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: It's a suburb, but it's like right next door.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: So I get you.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm listening to my neighbors go upstairs.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: All these things I'm not used to.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: It is...
24:39
SPEAKER_01: It is really unnerving being old and moving and having to go like we had 10 acres
24:45
SPEAKER_01: on our farm, which we're keeping.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: I do think I'm going to sell my townhouse.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: So if anyone listening would like to buy a townhouse in northern Colorado, give me a call.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: I'll give you a deal.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: But we're keeping the farm and we hopefully maybe someday we'll go back to it, God willing.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I'm just too old.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, that farm has also been in your husband's family for a very long time, right?
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Not that long.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: His, I mean, his grandpa built it, but like he built it in the 70s.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: I hate to tell you this.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: The 70s is a long time, a pretty long time ago now.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: I reject this.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: I reject this.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Just like, I reject the fact that My Chemical Romance was big 20 years ago, literally.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
25:37
SPEAKER_00: no, no, that's, so, you know, that's understandable.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: You want to hang on to that.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: You're living life backwards.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: You've gone from the house on the big spread to the little urban apartments.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: I have cried a lot.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm not too proud to say it.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: You've been a bit morose this last week or so.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: It's a big change.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: You will fit back.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: You'll find your slot there.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: You'll be okay.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't want to move to Boston, but, you know.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I just made a really perverted joke that I marked, and I am going to clip out.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, listeners.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: That was a really bad one, too.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I have this.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: I've been buying a bunch of, like,
26:33
SPEAKER_00: video equipment stuff because you and I have plans for video content
26:39
SPEAKER_00: and more interesting content.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Can we talk about that?
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Are we ready to?
26:44
SPEAKER_01: We don't have to.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: The site is live, but there's nothing on it yet.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: But we are going to work on a travel site together.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: And I absolutely love the name that your wife actually, right?
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Didn't she come up with it?
26:57
SPEAKER_00: I think she came up with it, yeah.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm giving her the credit for it.
27:00
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't me.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: But she came up with the name Stops along the way.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: And I absolutely love that name.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: I think it's really cute.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: And we are going to start putting stuff out there.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: I also...
27:12
SPEAKER_01: I think that there's another app that we might be uploading some stuff to just based
27:19
SPEAKER_01: on my ability to monetize things certain places.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: So stay tuned for that because I'm really, really, really excited.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually,
27:27
SPEAKER_01: after we're done with this,
27:29
SPEAKER_01: going to go do some work on the site afterwards because I think that's going to be
27:33
SPEAKER_01: so much fun.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: My thought for the places that I tend to gravitate to are the and the genesis of
27:41
SPEAKER_00: that being called the stops along the way is that I think that a lot
27:46
SPEAKER_00: of travel things focus on the big cities,
27:52
SPEAKER_00: like the big tourist places,
27:53
SPEAKER_00: the places that everyone wants to go,
27:54
SPEAKER_00: which obviously everyone wants to go there because there's interesting things
27:57
SPEAKER_00: to see.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: But there's lots and lots of interesting things to see outside of that.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, that's there.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Roadside America used to be a big property.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that they necessarily are as big anymore.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: But in that vein,
28:12
SPEAKER_00: along the way between the cities,
28:13
SPEAKER_00: there are endless numbers of little towns that have really interesting histories.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And really interesting features that I think that people miss.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: There actually does exist on YouTube.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: I've been doing research on this by watching YouTube videos.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: There does exist.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: This is a niche within the travel sphere of people discussing little out-of-the-way places.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: But I think that there is room to go more in-depth than a lot of them do.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: I also take it a slightly different way.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: I agree with all of that.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: And I love finding like the weird random things.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: But even if you are in a big city,
28:51
SPEAKER_01: the way that I like to travel, I don't like to have a ton of plans in a day.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't really love doing tours.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: I think they're really helpful in places like when we were in Armenia to be able
29:01
SPEAKER_01: to go to some of the places that we did.
29:02
SPEAKER_01: A tour is essential.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: But the way that I like to travel,
29:06
SPEAKER_01: I really love to go to a city, have one thing in mind, and then just walk.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: The ideal thing to do when you hit a city is...
29:36
SPEAKER_00: You don't go to the place you saw the videos about that has the Zagat rating or whatever.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: You go to the place that the locals are gravitating to when they get out of work or
29:45
SPEAKER_00: when they want a night out with the family.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: I do have to put a pin in that because, yes, I do like to.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Zagat rating isn't necessarily international, but like.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Let's not poo-poo Michelin-star restaurants in other countries either, sir.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I will 100% poo-poo Michelin-star restaurants in other countries.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: You're overpaying for food.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: No, you're not.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: I've had very inexpensive... Yeah, there's like five there.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: There are like five that Michelin keeps around just so they can be like,
30:14
SPEAKER_00: well, we're not all fancy restaurants.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: But then all the rest of them are like,
30:18
SPEAKER_00: you know, $500 a plate to get three slices of cheese on it.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's only like French laundry and...
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Well, actually,
30:26
SPEAKER_01: I've been to quite a few that are very expensive,
30:28
SPEAKER_01: but I've been to many that are Michelin Recommend or Bib Gourmand,
30:34
SPEAKER_01: and they're fantastic, and they're not necessarily expensive.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, you can get better food at a little roadside diner a lot of the time.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Always.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: Not always.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people go out in their cities and go eat nice dinner.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's not terrible.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: But obviously, that's one dinner.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: You want to go to one nice dinner,
30:55
SPEAKER_01: and the rest of the time, you go around and find cool little spots.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: Diners, diamonds,
31:01
SPEAKER_00: and drives exist to showcase what great food and great artistry
31:08
SPEAKER_00: and food you can get all over our own great nation.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: And that is why Guy Fieri is always better than Anthony Bourdain in every way.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Anthony Bourdain did that one thing at Waffle House being like stealing the virtues
31:21
SPEAKER_00: of Waffle House.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Guy Fieri 10 times Anthony Bourdain, 20 times.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Yes, 100%.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: You obviously didn't watch any of Anthony Bourdain's stuff because he went
31:34
SPEAKER_00: to fairly inexpensive places around the world, like his international stuff.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: I met Anthony Bourdain.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: He was kind of a douche.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Of course he was.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: He's a chef.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, of course.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: Which, by the way, I can't wait to watch the Bourdain movie.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that actually looked interesting.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: I will likely go see that.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: You know who wouldn't have been a douche to all the people who were helping him
32:00
SPEAKER_00: with his tour thing like Anthony Bourdain was?
32:03
SPEAKER_00: Guy Fieri.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: I bet he's great to work with.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: Love Guy Fieri.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: That dude, he absolutely rocks.
32:08
SPEAKER_01: I can't stand him, but I've only ever heard fantastic things about him.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, especially like working in the food industry.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people who have done Food Network TV shows and everyone I know
32:19
SPEAKER_01: that has met him has said he was really nice.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: He did, um,
32:23
SPEAKER_01: so he didn't come for this one,
32:25
SPEAKER_01: but my priest's, um, dad's restaurant in Denver was on it.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, It was weird that he wasn't there for it, but whatever.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: It is odd.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: I've had some great trash can nachos, but his were not great.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: I've heard his restaurants actually aren't that good.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: No, they're not.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: They're not.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: But he seems like a really nice guy.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: His restaurants seem like tourist trap restaurants.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: They tend to be located in tourist trappy areas, which is fine.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm just talking about as a professional presence.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: I believe that Guy Fieri adds to our national identity,
33:38
SPEAKER_00: our national feeling of goodwill, our national soul.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: In ways that Anthony Bourdain never did, who is just a sad, cynical, drug-addicted man.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm sad that his story ended the way it did, but, you know.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: I just got a really amazing text that I have to read you,
33:55
SPEAKER_01: because I feel like you'll be into this, too.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: I know I'm sorry.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Is it about Guy Fieri?
33:58
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: This is a wildly off-topic text.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: My best friend is blowing up my phone right now, and I was like, can I call you right back?
34:08
SPEAKER_01: And she goes, okay, I called you to tell you that I got my hands in a whole box of Chick Trax.
34:14
SPEAKER_01: And not only that, it also comes with a whole box of Jack Chick comic called The Crusaders.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so excited about it.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm obsessed.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: I had never heard of those before.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: I grew up Catholic.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you never heard of Chick Cracks?
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Chick Cracks are fun.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: No, I'd never, ever, ever heard of them.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: And I've been so obsessed with them since she told me about them because she grew up
34:36
SPEAKER_01: in a kind of fundamentalist family that like the only materials they were allowed
34:40
SPEAKER_01: to have are like chick books in her home.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what are you talking about?
34:47
SPEAKER_01: And so she got huge boxes of them.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I can't wait.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: I thought you'd
34:52
SPEAKER_00: enjoy that.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: There's a decent number of memes that are spawned from Chick Tracks.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: I use one sometimes.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: I just replaced Jesus with Goosey.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: That's a Chick Tracks bit.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: I've literally never seen them or heard of them or anything.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: And she told me about them like a year or two ago.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what are you talking about?
35:28
SPEAKER_01: I also think that it's not a very Western thing.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: Like I grew up in California and Colorado.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: It just was not.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: It's a Southern revivalism, revival culture thing more than anything else.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of them.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited right now.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: That was like the best text I ever got.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: I get to see a whole box of Chick-fil-A stuff.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: You derailed my comparison of myself to Guy Fieri and my aspirations of what I want to do.
36:05
SPEAKER_01: We got to get your hair cut and we'll frost the tips.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: Not like that, no.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: You could totally do it.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: I frosted my brother's tips for him in high school.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: I could catch you.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: You're very into the foreign travel and foreign travel is lots of fun.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: But I think that I think that we need more people really focusing on the things
36:29
SPEAKER_00: that are available within America because there's all sorts
36:31
SPEAKER_00: of stuff that's available in America.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: We can focus on all of it.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: We can focus on stuff in America and foreign travel.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: And like I said,
36:42
SPEAKER_00: I have been well trying to figure out,
36:45
SPEAKER_00: trying to place what exactly it is that I would like to do with this.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: I've been watching a lot of travel stuff on YouTube in my down time.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: And there clearly is a niche.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: A lot of it's like hiking-centric.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of like... And therefore out west.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: Because it's an Instagram,
37:07
SPEAKER_01: it's very...
37:09
SPEAKER_01: A lot of the trends that you're going
37:10
SPEAKER_01: to see online are very like Instagram-oriented.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: So it's things that girls can look cute in the outfits
37:18
SPEAKER_00: that they're wearing places.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched any that are focused on a girl.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: It's mostly...
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Guys, like often ex-military guys out like foraging around in public lands out west.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a guy who is,
37:33
SPEAKER_00: I think he might live in Colorado,
37:36
SPEAKER_00: who uses Google Earth to find abandoned houses,
37:42
SPEAKER_00: like abandoned old houses in the middle of nowhere on public lands out west.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Male privilege, by the way, that just sounds like a way I'd get murdered.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: He has a dog with him.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: It's actually kind of entertaining because he has this big German Shepherd,
38:02
SPEAKER_00: and when he gets to the place, he's like, all right, go check it out.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: The dog runs up.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: But As an aside, that's also why I like to travel in Europe a lot.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: I do have to say that I feel a lot safer when I'm in Eastern Europe.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Not Western Europe,
38:19
SPEAKER_01: but in Eastern Europe,
38:21
SPEAKER_01: I do feel especially like because I like to travel by myself a lot.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: And as a woman, like I just feel a lot safer there.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: I've never felt unsafe.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: You are a large, tall man.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm saying.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: And I'm a large, tall woman.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't know who would mess with me, but I still just...
38:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: It just feels more comfortable sometimes, especially like walking around at night.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: I feel totally comfortable in Eastern Europe.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: And even there's a lot of places in America,
38:55
SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of places in Colorado now that I'm like,
38:58
SPEAKER_01: oh, I don't know that I'd go there after dark as a woman.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the hiking-centric ones,
39:05
SPEAKER_00: like I said,
39:05
SPEAKER_00: are out west because public lands functionally don't exist east of the Mississippi.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: They do, but not the same type and not in the same way.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: I feel like I just drove through New York and there were hiking places everywhere.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: There are like state parks.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: There are even national parks.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: But I think the thing out West is the state parks and national parks were largely on
39:27
SPEAKER_00: the East Coast were largely places that didn't have preexisting structures on them.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: They're already mostly wilderness.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Whereas when they there was a long history of settlement out West
39:40
SPEAKER_00: of like people is showing up and staking a claim.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: So when they superimposed the public lands onto the maps of all these states,
39:51
SPEAKER_00: there were all these houses and random things that existed within them
39:56
SPEAKER_00: because people had been trying to live there.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: So that isn't a thing you see as much.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: There are,
40:02
SPEAKER_00: but also it doesn't help that on the East Coast we get much more rain and much more,
40:08
SPEAKER_00: there's many more things that are,
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Likely to degrade a house into literally nothing within about 10 years
40:14
SPEAKER_00: if no one is maintaining it.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: It isn't the dry air and climate.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, I am really excited for the website and we will have more information on that soonish.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're still poking around at it.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, we need to firm up plans on going places and seeing stuff.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: I also, well, I'm going to upload.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: I have so many cities that I never wrote up for Sweet Seas,
40:46
SPEAKER_01: and I have so many tourist guides that I have done absolutely nothing with.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: And I think they could use some historical antidotes to go with them.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: So we'll probably...
40:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: I also have been using, so I am on an ad company called Raptive.
41:24
SPEAKER_01: They're the people that provide the banner ads.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: If you go to my website, there's a million ads.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: That's how I pay my mortgage.
41:31
SPEAKER_01: I know it's a lot.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: I like to eat, though.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: They have set up their own social media platform that is just for raptive creators
41:43
SPEAKER_01: and raptive creators like with a larger audience across their networks.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: I have been given access to this platform and I've started putting some
41:53
SPEAKER_01: of my Sweet C stuff on there that's just like very much day in the life,
41:57
SPEAKER_01: like behind the scenes.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: It's not the polished Instagrammy things.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: It's just like, hey, we went to dinner at this place last night.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: And it's actually really fun,
42:07
SPEAKER_01: and I want to direct more people to this platform just because it's not feed-based.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you sign up for me, you see my stuff.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: More what Substack was originally aiming to be before it started trying
42:21
SPEAKER_00: to become social media.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: It's very, very, very similar.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: They do videos, but it has to be uploaded.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: They don't have a podcast function on it yet.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Maybe they will someday.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:33
SPEAKER_01: But they also have advertising on it that's really unobtrusive.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'm really excited about it.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: I'll put a link to my Sweet Seas one,
42:42
SPEAKER_01: but we should be able to set up one for us once we get the site up and going there
42:47
SPEAKER_01: as well.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: And the reason I like it, like I said, it just...
42:53
SPEAKER_01: When you log on to social media,
42:54
SPEAKER_01: like on Twitter or on Instagram, you get lost in the algorithm.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: And I think it'll be exciting to have a place that you don't necessarily like.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: You sign up for someone and you see them.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Even on Substack,
43:06
SPEAKER_01: like you mentioned,
43:07
SPEAKER_01: now on Substack, when I log in, it's all just like Jim Acosta, Katie Carr.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: It's all just failed stuff.
43:21
SPEAKER_00: A frequent complaint of Stephen Miller, Red Steeze on Twitter.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he is constantly complaining about that.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: I am kind of on Substack's crap list because I restacked something he said with
43:39
SPEAKER_01: a kind of saucy comment and they weren't thrilled.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: But, you know.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: They should be able to take criticism.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: All these people should.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Substack started with a team that is no longer in place.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: A lot of their original team have left.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: Lulu Cheng, I'm going to mess up her last name.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: She was amazing.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: I really honestly think that she was the glue that launched them and that they needed to start.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: I think they're losing money now and they're trying to grasp at straws
44:14
SPEAKER_01: to get like really big names,
44:16
SPEAKER_01: but they're losing the entire dedication to free speech,
44:18
SPEAKER_01: which was the whole point of Substack.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: And I think the second she left,
44:24
SPEAKER_01: it left with her,
44:25
SPEAKER_01: which is a shame because she was brilliant and awesome and not conservative,
44:29
SPEAKER_01: but just really open to everyone's viewpoints and really,
44:32
SPEAKER_01: really dedicated to free speech.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: Despite what people say, Barry Weiss also isn't conservative, but she has a
44:40
SPEAKER_01: similar
44:44
SPEAKER_01: outlook.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: This has been a refreshingly light on politics episode for us.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: I think we do better when we don't discuss politics.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: People can get politics anywhere, fundamentally.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: The thing is, we spend 24 hours a day, each one degree or another, steeping in politics.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Different people's political opinions.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: I like it when we discuss politics.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: I like this more.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: And I think once we start doing the site, we'll do a lot more of that.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: So the thing is, I've been thinking about this to some degree.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: I think that AI is becoming,
45:23
SPEAKER_00: regardless of what anyone thinks or wants,
45:27
SPEAKER_00: AI is becoming Is going, is more and more going to be present in our lives.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: But I think that because of that,
45:36
SPEAKER_00: I think what people want real,
45:39
SPEAKER_00: they want,
45:40
SPEAKER_00: and that's,
45:40
SPEAKER_00: I think that the traditional,
45:42
SPEAKER_00: you were saying that you were uploading to your,
45:43
SPEAKER_00: to this,
45:44
SPEAKER_00: it was a spark because you were saying that you were uploading to your thing, the,
45:48
SPEAKER_00: not the Instagram eyes things,
45:50
SPEAKER_00: but the,
45:51
SPEAKER_00: but the actual,
45:51
SPEAKER_00: and the,
45:53
SPEAKER_00: I think that that is probably where the next market is because AI can make very,
46:03
SPEAKER_00: you know, glitzy, polished videos very easily.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: What AI can't make is interesting personalities and interesting stories.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: And like, you know, I think that maybe someday it will be.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: It'll be anytime soon.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:19
SPEAKER_00: I think that people more and more are going to be gravitating
46:23
SPEAKER_00: towards what seems real, what seems authentic.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of a hippie thing to say, but I think it's true.
46:31
SPEAKER_01: No, I absolutely agree.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: I think people look to social media to be social.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: It's like the keyword is right in the name.
46:40
SPEAKER_01: I think people want to connect with people when they log on.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: And you're not ever going to get that with a computer.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: And even before AI...
46:49
SPEAKER_01: And I'm super guilty of this.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: If you look at my Instagram page,
46:53
SPEAKER_01: everything is really polished and perfect because I'm doing it as a business
46:57
SPEAKER_01: to get you to go and click through to my site.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: But nobody's really connected to me there.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: And I think my blog personally is suffering a lot right now.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: Because it doesn't have that.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: Because I was just writing to the algorithms for so long.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: I was just writing to get traffic.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't have any personality in my posts.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: If you look at my website, you wouldn't have a clue who I am.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: You might see my picture on the sidebar, but nobody knows me.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: Nobody knows my personality.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: And now that I've started to do more things off some of those channels and have more
47:31
SPEAKER_01: of a personal experience for people, my...
47:35
SPEAKER_01: My views are growing again.
47:36
SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited about all of that.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: I will say Google also just performed a very large algorithm update
47:44
SPEAKER_01: and they're going to continue to roll these out where they are identifying
47:48
SPEAKER_01: and flagging primarily AI posted content and dropping them from search.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, I would assume that the AI content is interfering with their little AI
48:02
SPEAKER_00: because it's just AI talking to AI.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: It is.
48:05
SPEAKER_01: It is.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: But also users don't like AI content.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: Everywhere you go, people are like, oh, it's AI slop.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: It's AI slop.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: They don't want the slop anymore.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: People are pushing back against AI and AI has really legitimate great uses.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: I use AI a lot on my blog.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: I use it to help format things.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: I use it to help research things.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: I use it to pull together ideas and then I put it in my own words.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: It's all coming from my own recipe.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm formatting some cookbooks.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: So much easier to use AI to help me format those things.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: It's all my words.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: It's all my creativity.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: It's just helping to, it's editing for me.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: Things like that are fantastic.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: It's a great use of AI.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: We're going to be able to open up so many different things
48:55
SPEAKER_01: and I think creating is tough right now.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: I think the money is being squeezed out because of some of these AI things.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: But I think for the people that are innovating in this time
49:07
SPEAKER_01: and offering something different and new and holding on,
49:10
SPEAKER_01: I think in the next year, there will be another opportunity.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say a boom,
49:17
SPEAKER_01: but I think there will be another surge in interest in actually human stories and
49:23
SPEAKER_01: a rush to consume entirely human content.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, also,
49:29
SPEAKER_00: but my current market,
49:30
SPEAKER_00: and I think my market will always be older folk because I'm spiritually
49:35
SPEAKER_00: an older folk, and increasingly I'm, in fact, an older folk myself.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: Okay, shut your mouth because you're younger than me.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: I think people, certainly people who remember the before times, It's like vinyl coming back.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: People like the tactile reality of things.
49:57
SPEAKER_00: And increasingly younger people,
49:58
SPEAKER_00: I think,
49:59
SPEAKER_00: also who have grown up completely bathed in the digital age,
50:05
SPEAKER_00: I think that you see all the time.
50:07
SPEAKER_00: There are more and more of them who are, you know, it is the digital.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: What was seems much more appealing to them,
50:16
SPEAKER_00: like because they want they grew up with perhaps without a lot of personal touch,
50:20
SPEAKER_00: certainly as the kids who grew up during who were in their formative years
50:24
SPEAKER_00: during covid come come to like,
50:28
SPEAKER_00: you know,
50:28
SPEAKER_00: I think that they have a desperate need because there's an internal to all people.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: There's a need for community need to know other people.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:39
SPEAKER_00: So this is just something I've been thinking about for a while.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: So anyway,
50:43
SPEAKER_00: that's what I hope to,
50:47
SPEAKER_00: once we get this ball rolling,
50:49
SPEAKER_00: is to make it a thing where people feel like they know something more about
50:55
SPEAKER_00: an interesting place that was made by humans.
51:02
SPEAKER_01: I think we both also really like the kind of more community aspect to things and will...
51:09
SPEAKER_01: Try to find ways to bring other people into it as well.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: I think we both really like, like creating for yourself is really boring.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: And one of the reasons I wanted to do this with you is because I have my own site.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: I work for myself all the time.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: I have for the last 17 years.
51:29
SPEAKER_01: It's so boring doing this by yourself.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: It's so boring.
51:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
51:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm so isolated by other people and I just need to get back out there.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: And instead of,
51:44
SPEAKER_01: you know, being the super Presbyterian, I'm just going to launch another website.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: I've often said I admire you.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: You have an entrepreneurial spirit that I've never really had.
51:58
SPEAKER_00: Charles, who we went to Armenia with, I told him, he is wildly He's wildly entrepreneurial.
52:07
SPEAKER_00: He's like serial entrepreneurs and all sorts of things.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: I was walking down the street in Yerevan one day and I was saying to him,
52:13
SPEAKER_00: like, you know, discussing his life within what he's done.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
52:16
SPEAKER_00: I really admire people who step out of their comfort zone and like,
52:21
SPEAKER_00: you know,
52:21
SPEAKER_00: just have the drive to want to be creating, to want to be doing new things.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: It's not something I have ever been.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: I like it.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: But I recognize it in others, and I just truly admire it when I encounter it.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: And I've told you before, you fall in the same category.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stop saying it now, though,
52:39
SPEAKER_00: because you'll start crying again, because every time I say nice things about it.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: I probably will start crying.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm emotionally unhinged.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: You start crying.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm emotionally unhinged right now.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: So, like, I started crying this morning about I don't even know what.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm blaming menopause.
52:55
Yeah.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: All right.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: So people are our listeners,
53:04
SPEAKER_00: our loyal listeners who have stuck around after we didn't record for
53:08
SPEAKER_00: the last two weeks because Courtney was moving and there's all sorts of stuff going
53:11
SPEAKER_00: on.
53:14
SPEAKER_00: You can look forward to that.
53:15
SPEAKER_00: I'll probably post about it on Twitter as well.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Once we have something like actually on the website.
53:22
SPEAKER_00: But it's a nice preview for anyone dedicated enough to be listening.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I do want us to finally go back to the old original format of this,
53:33
SPEAKER_01: and I'm going to make you watch some of my trash,
53:36
SPEAKER_01: and you can make fun of me for it,
53:38
SPEAKER_01: because I think your reactions will just be priceless.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: As long as you're looking forward to watching The Seventh Seal.
53:45
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: No, but this is, it'll be great.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: We can just make fun of each other for our horrible tastes.
53:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fine.
53:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: All right.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: We're done.
53:58
SPEAKER_00: All right.
53:59
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: Bye.