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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 104 | Week 8 Storylines: Toughness, Defense Getting Healthy · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Fulcoming the jag Vam presented by Jet Home Loans. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we are back in our studio after our two weeks
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  Speaker 1: away in London. Brian Sexton and John Oser joined me
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  Speaker 1: as we get ready for the Packers this week. But
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  Speaker 1: we're also gonna recap a little bit of what went
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  Speaker 1: down in London, specifically that second game against the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start out with big things. Big thing number one
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be about being tough enough. They were just
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  Speaker 1: tough enough to beat the Patriots, fell down ten nothing early,
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  Speaker 1: but able to battle their way back tank things. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about having fun and kind of feeding off of
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  Speaker 1: each other in the game.
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  Speaker 2: We worked hard this week after we lost when we
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  Speaker 2: fir the first game down, we did a lot of
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  Speaker 2: work this weekend, leaning on each other and said we
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  Speaker 2: gotta go out.
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  Speaker 3: And have fun.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, I feel like we got back to having
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  Speaker 2: fun often start picking it up, and I felt like
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  Speaker 2: defense found off the energy and then we felt the
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  Speaker 2: energy and it just kept going. So that's the contagious
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  Speaker 2: think about this game, when when one side clicked the
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  Speaker 2: other side to get going, and that's the best thing
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  Speaker 2: about it. I feel like we all clicked and we
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  Speaker 2: just got to keep doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Brian. We saw the offense respond falling down ten nothing early,
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  Speaker 1: but then battling back. We haven't seen a ton of
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  Speaker 1: that this year. That was good to see, and in
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  Speaker 1: way of their win, it was and they.
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  Speaker 4: Were tough enough for the Patriots. We're gonna find out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they've got a stretch here with teams that
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  Speaker 4: have won at least five games for the next four
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  Speaker 4: or five weeks, so we'll find out if they're tough
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  Speaker 4: enough for the Packers, who are a much different team altogether.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought Mitch Moore said it best. John He
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  Speaker 4: talked about how they were down ten and they talked
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  Speaker 4: to each other in the huddle about not thinking we
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  Speaker 4: had to go get all ten points in this drive
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  Speaker 4: with you obviously can't do it anyway, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: let's get some points. And then it began, let's get
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  Speaker 4: the field goal. And then they got to the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the ten yard line, right, let's get a touchdown, and
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  Speaker 4: they did and from that point they kind of got
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  Speaker 4: on a roll and went up twenty five to ten.
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  Speaker 4: So they can be tough, but it's kind of like
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  Speaker 4: muscle memory. I mean, you've got to be able to
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  Speaker 4: go right to toughness mode when things get difficult, and
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  Speaker 4: we'll find out on Sunday against Green Bay if they've
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  Speaker 4: got that kind of toughness memory.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you can say all you want, well,
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots are one and six. They're not this, They're
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  Speaker 5: not this. You play who you play. The Patriots certainly
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  Speaker 5: had enough to get up on them. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if the Jaguars are great, but I think this game
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday, meaning the Patriots game, it gave them a
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  Speaker 5: chance to earn a chance. I mean, you're two and five.
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  Speaker 5: If you get a couple here, then all of a
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  Speaker 5: sudden you get back to four and five. So they
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of proving to do. On Sunday comes
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  Speaker 5: their chance to prove it. I don't know kai if
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  Speaker 5: they proved anything to anybody on Sunday, but boy, they
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  Speaker 5: needed a win.
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  Speaker 1: They absolutely needed. Big thing Number two is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the switch up when we talk about that win.
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  Speaker 1: Things didn't go great for the defense. That's an issue
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  Speaker 1: that's a big issue for this team so far this season.
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  Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell back on the fields the first time in
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  Speaker 1: a while. He talked about that start and how the
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  Speaker 1: team came together to get things back on track.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we had a lot of you know, silly
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  Speaker 3: Pillindy's you know, a lot of just putting in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of positions where we kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: gave 'em plays. But you know, you know, we huddled
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  Speaker 3: up before a job. I think it was going into
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  Speaker 3: the second quarter. You know, a hundred guys up. It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: it's us. You know, just as long as you play smart,
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  Speaker 3: have fun, played to the wizard, they can't beat us.
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  Speaker 3: And uh from sixty you got a result we wanted.
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  Speaker 1: John Tyson Campbell's returned to the secondary. They desperately needed that.
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  Speaker 1: We also saw some other changes elsewhere on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the football. Didn't start great, but they finished better.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. It I it's funny how perception is in this league.
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  Speaker 5: And I I think what I'm getting, ah there is
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  Speaker 5: Tyson had a chance.
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  Speaker 4: I think it a pick.
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  Speaker 5: Andre Saisko had a chance to pick. I think, if
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  Speaker 5: I remember it right, you get those picks, you're off
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  Speaker 5: the field. And this concern the defense is so much
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  Speaker 5: different moving forward. I don't think this is a great defense,
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  Speaker 5: but when it has its hands on the balls, they
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  Speaker 5: need to make the plays at some point. I think
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  Speaker 5: the Packers have like seventeen takeaways, Jawarys have two Defensively,
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  Speaker 5: that's what needs to start changing. When you have the
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  Speaker 5: opportunities to make plays, this defense has to make them,
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  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden the runs that the
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  Speaker 5: other team get don't seem so tragic, right.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see what they do next, right, because
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  Speaker 4: they tweak some things and it worked in the secondary.
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  Speaker 4: They moved Eric Armstead I think inside more than we've
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  Speaker 4: seen him kai and he was productive. But they got
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  Speaker 4: to fix the problem that they've got at linebacker. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't appear that Devin Lloyd can cover a tight end,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't know all the coverage, so it might
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  Speaker 4: not always be on him. But they struggled the last
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  Speaker 4: two weeks against tight ends, and they're gonna keep seeing
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  Speaker 4: it and seeing it and seeing it. They are going
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  Speaker 4: to have to be able to cover the underneath. The
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  Speaker 4: one thing that you do see from the Buffalo game
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  Speaker 4: four it is they attack the edges of the Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: defense and try to make guys run sideways, and they
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  Speaker 4: haven't done a very good job in covering that tight
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  Speaker 4: end position. Hopefully, Foyer Luakon can get back in the
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  Speaker 4: game and the Jaguars can shift things around and try
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  Speaker 4: something different with that group.
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  Speaker 1: That leads us into our final big thing, which is
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  Speaker 1: backup plan. The twenty one day practice window was opened
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  Speaker 1: for linebacker Foyer Luiken and also safety Andrew Wingard. He's
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  Speaker 1: been out since early in training camp, so Brian, a
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  Speaker 1: little help is on the way, and this may change
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  Speaker 1: some of the other things we've seen even more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have got to figure some things out. We
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  Speaker 4: have seen what the change at safety did with Darnielle
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  Speaker 4: Savage getting in there. This Dewey's a really good player
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  Speaker 4: and he's got a role on this team and they
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  Speaker 4: have missed having him out there. A Luakon, He's not
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  Speaker 4: a star, but he's a really good player and he
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  Speaker 4: gets guys lined up. And perhaps that's what's missing, is
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  Speaker 4: that person that checks into coverages and Devin doesn't do
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  Speaker 4: it as well as Foyer does. I think Ventre Miller
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  Speaker 4: is a guy who goes forward and makes tackles really well,
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  Speaker 4: but he's still figuring the coverage part out. So maybe
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  Speaker 4: having Foyer Lucon next to him John helps him get settled.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the NFL these days is not as
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  Speaker 5: full of instinctive football players as it was when I
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  Speaker 5: was growing up. Now, get off my lawn. But that
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  Speaker 5: being said, I think this defense needs guys like that.
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  Speaker 5: I think Ventre Miller's that to our point right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think Andrew Inguard and Foya Lucan are two of
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  Speaker 5: the more instinctive playmaking have a good feel for their
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  Speaker 5: surroundings guys on this defense. On that front, getting those
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  Speaker 5: guys back will help immeasurably when you've got guys who
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  Speaker 5: know where they need to be.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, stay with's here on Jagson. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go over some of the best plays from the DAGs
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  Speaker 1: win in London over the Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: They were in basically a cover four quarters look and
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  Speaker 6: safeties were low, and that was honestly the look we
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  Speaker 6: were wanting for that play, and we had another option
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  Speaker 6: if if that wasn't the coverage and the situation. But
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  Speaker 6: Brian did a great job of just running at the
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  Speaker 6: corner of keeping outside leverage and just running and then
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  Speaker 6: I'd put it out there, let him go make a
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  Speaker 6: players a great catch. You know, he's he's good at that.
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  Speaker 6: He's been making a lot of plays for us, So
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  Speaker 6: it's fun to watch him, it's fun to play with him,
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  Speaker 6: and just to see him get better every week.
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  Speaker 4: We gotta keep using him.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to jag Zam, brought to you by Fields
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  Speaker 1: Auto Group in Jacksonville. And Trevor Lawrence talking right there
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  Speaker 1: about that catch by Brian Thomas Junior. Probably the prettiest
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  Speaker 1: play I saw in that game. But we'll go over
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  Speaker 1: some other stuff as well, but just a beautiful throw
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  Speaker 1: and catch, and it's nice to see that connection with them.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously Brian's a rookie, but sometimes Trevor has you know,
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  Speaker 1: it takes time to build up that relationship with the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and then he clearly trusts him already.
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  Speaker 4: People heard the term playing above the axis and o's
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  Speaker 4: I mean that's what Brian Thomas does. I mean he
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  Speaker 4: makes a play when it doesn't execute perfectly right, like
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  Speaker 4: that ball was thrown and the defensive back, John was
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  Speaker 4: in the one place where he could make a play,
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  Speaker 4: and Brian still managed, while going to the ground to
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  Speaker 4: pull the ball in and not lose it when his
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  Speaker 4: body hit the ground. It was tremendous play on the fundamentals,
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  Speaker 4: But more so than that, he just was and made it.
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  Speaker 5: It would have been easy had he not caught it.
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  Speaker 5: You to say, well, yeah, tough catch too tough. I
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  Speaker 5: absolutely Brian Thomas Junior is him and Tank dagsby the
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  Speaker 5: stories of the season so far. But credit to Trevor too.
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  Speaker 5: He as you said, Brian, there was nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 5: that throw. It was perfectly placed. Remember three weeks ago
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  Speaker 5: when he missed it. Everybody, well everybody in the world
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  Speaker 5: said this kid can't throw deep. Well, that was overreactionary.
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  Speaker 5: He can clearly throw deep. He's thrown fine deep the
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  Speaker 5: last couple of weeks, and he he's steadied the ship
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  Speaker 5: even when the team has not been playing great the
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  Speaker 5: last two or three weeks. It's won, but I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: say that they have been outstanding. He's done a nice
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  Speaker 5: job of steadying the ship when there was a lot
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  Speaker 5: of noise going on in the ship.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and he listened. He's mentally tough because he missed
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  Speaker 4: Brian on that sideline route at Tottenham against the Bears,
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  Speaker 4: and you could just see the look on his face.
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  Speaker 4: And the next week he comes back fearlessly throws the
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  Speaker 4: ball right down and Gonzales was right with him. Gonzales
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  Speaker 4: can really run the quarterback for the Patriots, and he
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  Speaker 4: just he put the ball out there and went for it.
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  Speaker 4: So I would to give him credit because he questioned
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  Speaker 4: his team and their mental toughness and talked about fragility
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  Speaker 4: and then he went out there and did not play fragile.
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  Speaker 1: Did not play fragile at all. Let's look at some
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  Speaker 1: of the highlights from the game, or some of the
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  Speaker 1: big plays. At least we talked about the team getting
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  Speaker 1: down early. Right, the Patriots scored on their first possession,
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  Speaker 1: and the way they scored wasn't really pretty either, at
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  Speaker 1: some sort of defensive breakdown on that play. It was
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  Speaker 1: just and for me, I was concerned with their mental
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  Speaker 1: state because of how they've been dealing with getting down
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  Speaker 1: early and fighting back having been able to do that,
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  Speaker 1: but proved me wrong. Absolutely. I almost appreciate the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they did get down early and had to battle
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  Speaker 1: back because it proved that proved to me that they
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  Speaker 1: have it within them to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes when you're playing a team that doesn't quite
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  Speaker 5: know what it is yet, and I think the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: fit that. The Patriots are still trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 5: So on this drive, it felt like they were doing
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  Speaker 5: things that maybe they hadn't seen on film a whole lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: made a couple of plays, got it. That happens, And
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  Speaker 5: what good teams do in that situation they figure it out,
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  Speaker 5: they stop, and then you realize very quickly who the
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  Speaker 5: better team is. It happened exactly the opposite for the
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  Speaker 5: Jaguar week before that. As soon as the Bears figured
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  Speaker 5: them out in Tottenham, you said, oh, this is a
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  Speaker 5: problem an overmatched team. It felt that way at Tottenham
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  Speaker 5: for the Jaguars, it felt that way very quickly. And
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  Speaker 5: second quarter on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that was a case. You've got a defense
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  Speaker 4: that's not getting pressure with the front four, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what Ryan Nielsen's scheme is about, so you can play
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  Speaker 4: man coverage on the back end. And so they tried
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  Speaker 4: some sort of a zone blitz kind of scheme that
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  Speaker 4: had Josh running across the field to get out there.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a mismatch and it was the
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  Speaker 4: wrong play call at the wrong time because you saw
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  Speaker 4: the play that Patriots just ran out there. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you hate to see that because you want to see
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  Speaker 4: Josh attacking the quarterback. But if you're not getting there
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  Speaker 4: and you want to try things and you want guys
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  Speaker 4: to be innovative and try to find a moment. That
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  Speaker 4: was what they did. It just was the wrong moment.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I Josh could have gotten some better help.
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  Speaker 5: He actually at his angle. I thought he made the
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  Speaker 5: right play trying to force back inside.
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  Speaker 1: And behind me. Yeah, absolutely, that happens. Let's talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about Trevor. He also had a great
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  Speaker 1: throw to Kirk over the middle in this game. I
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  Speaker 1: think was probably one of his best throws of the day,
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  Speaker 1: leading to their first touchdown of the game. And we
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  Speaker 1: know Trevor can make these throws, but it's always nice
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  Speaker 1: to see him do it on stages like this when
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  Speaker 1: you need it. Right, we just talked about you had
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  Speaker 1: to come down and score on this drive to keep
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  Speaker 1: it within range and to make that put it in
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  Speaker 1: the perfect spot for Kirk and then finished off we'll touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: First quarter, they had five plays, right, I mean in
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  Speaker 4: twenty five yards and so this is their second drive
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, hey, this is really important because you're
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  Speaker 4: down ten nothing and to hit his back foot there
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  Speaker 4: on second and long and just let the ball go,
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  Speaker 4: and of course it's no surprise that he threw rite
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  Speaker 4: a Christian Kirk, the guy he probably has the most
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  Speaker 4: confidence in being where he's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of big time plays there. He threw
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  Speaker 5: to the second level at Kirk and threw over. I
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  Speaker 5: think it was a safety maybe linebacker. Really precise throw
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  Speaker 5: that's tougher to make than it looks what is completed.
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  Speaker 5: It looks easy, but it's a tough throw to make.
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  Speaker 5: And then they scored I think on third down in
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  Speaker 5: the red zone. That's hard to do. I remember they
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  Speaker 5: didn't do it the week before when, but they executed
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  Speaker 5: the play with Gabe Davis. If they're starting, that's some
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  Speaker 5: pretty good execution red zone wise. I mean, I'm even
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  Speaker 5: gonna call it good execution on the drop against the
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  Speaker 5: Bears because the play was there. They seem to be
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  Speaker 5: getting a little more precise in the red zone. That's
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  Speaker 5: important and it could pay off if they start getting
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  Speaker 5: in games as they go on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the video of that throw
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Thomas Jr. That we referenced off the top,
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  Speaker 1: because it really is just I was sitting next to
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  Speaker 1: John and I saw him getting ready to throw it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was excited to see the jump ball aspect
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  Speaker 1: of it, because as you mentioned, Brian Christian Gonzalez is
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  Speaker 1: the first round pick their top corner there in New
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  Speaker 1: England of a defense last year that was very, very good,
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  Speaker 1: and he played it about as precisely as you could.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so many aspects to it. When you see
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  Speaker 1: the different angles of just kind of looking over his
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  Speaker 1: shoulder to get it bringing it in even with the
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  Speaker 1: hand on top of him, and then just perfect placement
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  Speaker 1: from where Brian was going to be it was.
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  Speaker 4: And when you see some of the various angles of
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  Speaker 4: how the bawl shifted and brought had to get between
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  Speaker 4: the arm of Gonzales that was there and pull it in.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to point out the blocking because that's
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  Speaker 4: a big throw and you've got to be able to
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  Speaker 4: wind up and make that throw from deep in the pocket,
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  Speaker 4: and if there had been any leakage in the protection
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  Speaker 4: at all, he wouldn't have had the time to do that.
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  Speaker 4: The offensive line is playing better football than they have
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  Speaker 4: at any point of the season. And by the way,
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  Speaker 4: was Cam in on that throw or had Cam already
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  Speaker 4: left the game?
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  Speaker 1: Was?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? So I mean to have a backup left tackle
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  Speaker 4: holding his own out there and to have everybody else
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  Speaker 4: playing well. The offensive line gave him a chance to
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  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 5: Look, how many more games in a row does Brian
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  Speaker 5: Thomas have to do special before he just realized is
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  Speaker 5: what he is. I think everybody realizes that he does
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  Speaker 5: something each game. The catch on the two point conversion
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  Speaker 5: is a big time catch. He has a knack here
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  Speaker 5: in big situations coming down with the ball that this
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  Speaker 5: team hasn't had. It's Jimmy right, right, So you've now
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  Speaker 5: gotten to the point with this kid where when he
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  Speaker 5: has single coverage, throw him up, throw the ball up
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  Speaker 5: and see what happens. They haven't had that definitely since
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  Speaker 5: I've been back in twenty eleven, but I guess since
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  Speaker 5: Jimmy in two and four five.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there was that sequence in the second quarter where
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  Speaker 4: they handed it to him on a reverse and they
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  Speaker 4: threw it to him short. I mean they gave him
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  Speaker 4: the ball three or four different times in five or
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  Speaker 4: six plays, and you could just see the suddenness, the twitchiness,
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  Speaker 4: the explosiveness waiting to come through for him, and he
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  Speaker 4: just couldn't. They had it defended just well enough, but
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  Speaker 4: you just get the SATs. John just keep giving the ball,
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  Speaker 4: keep giving the ball. It's gonna be you know, three three,
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  Speaker 4: bam sixty three.
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  Speaker 5: Well, so many times this year, early in the season,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: he had big plays on three of their four early touchdowns.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: The other day he caught the touchdown, he had fifty
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: eight yarders set the second touchdown, and then after Parker
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: Washington's score, he had the two point conversion. This kid's
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: in involved in special in big.
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  Speaker 1: Moments, just what we need, absolutely, especially at a first
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: round pick. Let's talk a little bit about Parker Washington's
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: record setting punt return for them. That was a huge punt.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: He was backing up and I was a little concerned
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: about it, but he must have. He clearly had the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: vision to see the giant holes in front of him,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: and before you know, he was all the way through
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and there was nobody near him except the punter, and
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: then he beat him.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: But there was some football since there too, Brian. He
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: mentioned in the post game he knew that the Patriots
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: punter was out kicking the coverage, so he figured that
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: he was going to get a chance for a return
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: if he caught it. I haven't asked Doug about it,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: but I'm sure at first, he was like okay, good, yeah, yeah,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: it's one of those plays because if you let it go,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: you had field position. But they haven't had enough plays
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: like this where something above the x's and o's went
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: their way. And again, a second year player with some
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: football since he makes a play.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the rule is you don't feel the punt
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: inside the five yard line and there are no rules. Well,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: apparently he can break through. Analytics change all that. I
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: just want to point out that that's the Jaguars backup
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: p return. Devin Duvernet, the free agent they signed from
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens, is on injured reserve, and so you
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: put Parker out there and he comes up with a play,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I think maybe you should be your primary pup return.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I think this clearly has given him confidence. This is
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: something we talked about with the younger players, whether its
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Tank at certain points or now Parker Washington trying to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: get them confident because he's had ball security issues as well,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: which I think has been maybe why they were hesitant
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: at points and maybe why they signed Devin Duvernet in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the off season. But clearly he's shown that he has
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that special playability to be able to flip the field
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: or even score for them, so hopefully getting better as
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: we go along.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I'd also like to see if maybe that doesn't get
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: him a greater role in the offense because we know
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: that he's got that suddenness, that quickness. I mean, he's
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: not going to stretch the field like Brian Thomas does,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: but underneath, I mean, you get a mismatch with him
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: on a linebacker if you can get that. I'm no
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, just see a guy who make things happen.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough to get him in the offense because
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: he's so much like Christian in a lot of ways
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: that in the packages, it's hard to get Christian out
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: and him in. But he's earning, no question.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe utilize him kind of in the where they
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: use ETN sometimes because he's going to be out for
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit with his hamstring injury. See going forward,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: of course, we couldn't go through a game without Doug
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Peterson wanting to go for it on a fourth down.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Of the analytics probably say don't do that, But in
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: my heart and soul I knew Doug wasn't going to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: be able to not do it. Is it just him
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: being consistent at this point, like maybe the players just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: want to be on the same page with them two,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: or he doesn't have an ability.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know where to go with There's other
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: than you have a chance with a football team that
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: desperately needed to win, that he desperately wanted to build
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: some confidence with to go up three scores, and instead
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: you gave them a chance to hit a thirty three
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: yard play, a thirty two yard play, and a twenty
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: two yard touchdown, and if they'd hit the extra point,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: they would have gone from potentially being in a three
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: score game to a one. Hey, you just kick the
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: field goal and get your team to the victory lane
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: right with the win and talk about it. I just
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: that I didn't like at all.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Well, every fiber in what we grew up on Ryan
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: tells you to go up that many, and I certainly
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: would have the I'm sure what Doug was thinking is
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: we have just run seventeen plays. They were in the
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: midst of what like seventeen straight runs. Yeah, he felt
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: like they were overpowering it. Let's show confidence in this
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: offensive line that has been bashed.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying i'd have done it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I think that was his thinking, and in that case
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with it, but I answer was thinking.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I get that, and I know who he is because
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: I've watched him too, and I can go back to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: the two point conversion against the Ravens in twenty twenty two.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: But that was a different story. This is a team
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: that we talked all week long about about fighting till
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: the end and about being strong and not fragile, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: it just seemed to me that it was too good
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: of an opportunity to put your team in a chance
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: to go out there or we're gonna play defense now
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: with an eighteen point lead. There are times where you
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: can let your ego right and the moment I want
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: to slam it through, but you missed on third down
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in one. So come on, let's let our football intellect,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: which Doug has an abundance of. I've heard him talk.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: He knows that. I just they won, so it isn't
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: an issue. But that was a case where you kick, Oh, it's.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Easier to go over after a win.
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Sure, stay with us here on JAGSA. I'm coming up
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do a little this or that as we
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: look ahead to some potential defensive changes and offensive changes.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: As we start out with the offensive line. We've been
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: pretty complimentary of them, and give them some credit because
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: we were very not complimentary of them for quite some time.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But they've been playing well, especially the last maybe three
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: four games. But Walker Little coming in as Cam Robinson
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: out with a concussion. He's in the concussion protocol. We
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: don't know when he will get cleared, but Walker Little
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: played pretty well yesterday.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Ryan.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Do you keep him in there? Do you ride the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: hot hand or do you put Cam Robinson back when
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: he's ready?
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean you heard Doug after the game say
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: that he believed the Travis etn was still the starting
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: running back because you don't lose your job to injury.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: So we know what the head coach's philosophy is here.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I advocated early on when Cam was struggling to put
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Walker Little in because Walker Little is playing for a contract.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Now you can argue that Cam Little is too, because
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: they're both free agents. Cam's gotten paid, Walker hasn't. Walker's
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: trying to get that buy to the Apple and tackles
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: make big money. I'm I'm betting John on on the
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: human condition that hunger and desperation gives me a guy
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: who will go out and play his best football. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: by the way, you drafted him with the second round pick,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: as you're expected by some token, he would be your
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: left tackle of the future.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think they're fine if Walker plays.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I don't for a minute that he's gonna believe that
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: he's going to play over a healthy Cam Robinson, because
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Camer Robinson I still think is the best left tackle
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: on the team, and because.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Of Doug's philosophy.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: So what'll be interesting on Sunday is if Walker Little plays,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: does that affect the chemistry and cohesion they've been talking about.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think it will. I think they're in a
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: good situation because he's played seventeen games for this team
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: and he's played a lot, so I don't worry about that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I think they have a unique situation and they can
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: have that with six or seven guys and not just five.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: It is interesting because this general manager drafted Walker little
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and you've got two tackles relieving, you know, at least
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: as of right now. Wouldn't you like to find out
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: if this young player is who you thought he was?
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Do you give him more time in the starting lineup
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: so you can make a proper evaluation for your future,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: especially in a year that you're two and five and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: skating uphill to try to get into the playoffs.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Anyway, something to keep an eye on that certainly is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: best position as well. As we mentioned, we've seen Walker
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: play at different parts of the line. Left tackles clearly
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: where he plays his best, So we'll keep an eye
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: on that and Cam Robinson's status coming up this week
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: against the Packers. My other this or that going to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: be about the linebackers. We told you that Boya Luikin's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: practice window is open. He's missed a month with planter fasciitis,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but he should be available soon. We've seen him around
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the team a lot, so when it comes to your linebackers. Guys,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what's this going to look like? Foyer, I assume is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: definitely one of your starters. But Devin Lloyd, Ventral Miller
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: has been making plays. You think they'll do something similar
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to what they've been doing with Darby and Monterrek Brown
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and kind of splitting them up, or you think it'll
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: be an obvious two starters.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I think they'll continue to rotate. But Brian, I can't
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: believe that they won't balance it toward Ventrel playing more.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, he the Devin Lroy hasn't been heard. Vnrell
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: has outplayed him.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: He's played very well.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can make an argument that Vintrell is
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: the most instinctive playmaker, you know, fun, having all that
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: stuff that you want to see out of a linebacker.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: They've had here in a while, maybe including Foyer. Now
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Foyer has been better and more consistent, knows the defense.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: You don't bench foyleer Luke, I'm totally.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Get at that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: But Ventrell Miller, it's hard to argue that he shouldn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: be on the field.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: It's Miller you watch, and you don't have to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: any sort of an expert to know that when he
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: hits people they go down. I so desperately would love
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: to see Devin Lloyd reach his potential. You know, you
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: don't see many six foot three and forty pounds linebackers
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: because those guys become edge rushers in college football these
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: days and don't pass through the linebacker. He's got the height,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: he's got the length, he's got the speed. I like
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: him a lot, but it always seems where there's an error,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: thirty three is somewhere there. So I think he's I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: think he's got to go to the sidelines in favor
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: of Ventro Miller and try to fix his game.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, team's key on Devin. They know that he's going
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: to do that. When presented with certain situations, he's going
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: to bite. He's been doing it too long now, so again,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: I would just be surprised if it's not Ventro Miller
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: playing a lot more.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: You know, they gave Devin a sack for the hit
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: that he made on Drake may right at the line
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage. He hit it with such force I thought,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: all right, that's what I want to see from thirty three,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: and then he got turned around by the tight ends.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Just Ventro Miller is a better linebacker.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Right now, all right, we'll see what that looks like. Also,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: we know the way Ryan Nielsen substitutes. It might be
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a split thing. We might see a lot of different
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: combinations going forward, but keeping an eye on that as well.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You can maybe activated this week as practice window is open.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So with here we will talk to you about what
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  Speaker 4: Inside the take it down, Get down.
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  Speaker 7: The door, let's go, let's get it. Let's that's what
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• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's Tank Bigsby miked up against the Patriots. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't checked it out, I highly recommend it. It's very entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: At every Jaguars dot com or Jaguars YouTube you can
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: check that out. Tank miked up and we're gonna hear
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: from Tank a little bit later in the week as
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: well with you John.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, and hear me on the ozone podcast, and frankly,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: a big topic is going to be how I stuck
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: with him when other people on this show might.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Not a little pat Little Patty, I stuck with him too.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I was talking about no, I was talking about the
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: ten Carrie stretch in December where he averaged six yards
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: of carry. Is a don't give up on him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody on this show was a very
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: supportive program as a parent.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Well, we can go back and both the tank because
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: we've got all of that. I probably never get tired
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: of watching Ezra Cleveland pushing him up the field.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That's offensive line, let's do it. I'm checking in with
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior going off the field this week, so
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for that. And yeah, I'm just excited to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: kind of see what this week brings us in terms
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of preparation, and it's nice to have a victory week
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: going into things. We will be back with you on
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Thursday morning. We'll get dive deep into that matchup against
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the Packers exactly what we can expect. So we'll see
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow.