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Sharri | 19 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: And we start tonight with the breaking news that independent
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Speaker 2: MP Helen Haynes has been struck by a car near
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Speaker 2: her electorate office in Victoria. The Prime Minister says this
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Speaker 2: appears to be a deliberate attack on a fiercely intelligent
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Speaker 2: and thoroughly decent politician. Victorian police have released a statement
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Speaker 2: saying that Haynes has critical injuries and they say they're
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Speaker 2: still investigating whether this is a terrible accident or a
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Speaker 2: politically motivated targeted attack. Victorian police say at this stage
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Speaker 2: police are investigating as to whether this was an intentional act.
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Speaker 2: It is not yet known if other parties, if the
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Speaker 2: parties are known to each other. And my sources have
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Speaker 2: confirmed that there is no known terror link to the
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Speaker 2: suspect at this point. The Herald Sun reports that Helen
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Speaker 2: Haynes was removing shopping from her parked car at around
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Speaker 2: 3.40 this afternoon when she was struck by a man
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Speaker 2: in a white Toyota Land Cruiser. Witnesses say he made
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Speaker 2: a U-turn. A citizen's arrest was made by a barber
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Speaker 2: who ran out of his store. The suspect is now
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Speaker 2: in custody. He's a 43-year-old man. And Helen is tonight
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Speaker 2: receiving urgent medical treatment in hospital for her critical injuries.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister addressed the media
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Speaker 2: a short while ago, and Anthony Albanese described the incident
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Speaker 2: as an attack on Haynes. He said the Joint Counterterrorism
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Speaker 2: Team had been activated, with AFP, ASIO and Victorian Police
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Speaker 2: working together.
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Speaker 1: Victorian Police has the lead.
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Speaker 3: This afternoon, Helen Haynes, the member for Indi, was attacked
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Speaker 3: outside her electorate office in Wangaratta. All of our thoughts
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Speaker 3: are with Helen, her family, her friends, her team and
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Speaker 3: her community at this extremely difficult time. We are praying
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Speaker 3: for her full recovery. I want to thank the first
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Speaker 3: responders for their extraordinary work. There is a major police
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Speaker 3: investigation underway and I can confirm that a suspect is
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Speaker 3: in custody. The Australian Federal Police, Victorian Police and Asia
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Speaker 3: are working together on this. The Joint Counterterrorism Team has
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Speaker 3: been activated but the motive is not known.
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Speaker 2: And Tony Burke stressed it was early in the investigation.
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Speaker 4: We're still very early in the investigation, but importantly, someone
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Speaker 4: is in custody and acknowledges the family statement, has acknowledged
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Speaker 4: the bystanders, the health workers and the police.
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Speaker 2: The Home Affairs Minister also spoke about the number of
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Speaker 2: incidents against high office holders.
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Speaker 4: Last year, or the year before last, we had 951
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Speaker 4: reports of harassing and threatening behaviour against various high office holders.
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Speaker 4: The more recent financial year, that $ 9. 51 has gone to $ 1, 067.
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Speaker 2: There are also reports the driver had a flick knife
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Speaker 2: in his pocket. Opposition leader Angus Taylor posted on social
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Speaker 2: media a short while ago a statement saying, this is
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Speaker 2: a shocking day for our nation. No one should be
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Speaker 2: targeted in this way. Australians will be angry and appalled
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Speaker 2: by the attack on Helen outside her electorate office in Wangaratta.
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Speaker 2: He says our nation cannot become a place where violent
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Speaker 2: attacks are normalised. He said he's spoken with the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and they're united in their view that political violence
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Speaker 2: must never be accepted as part of public life. And
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Speaker 2: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has also released a statement
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Speaker 2: saying she's alarmed by the attack. She said violence against
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Speaker 2: any elective representative, whoever they are and whatever they stand for,
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Speaker 2: is never acceptable in Australia. Members of Parliament and their
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Speaker 2: staff must be able to serve their communities without fearing
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Speaker 2: for their safety. So, again, law enforcement sources say there
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Speaker 2: is no counterterrorism connection to the individual that has been
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Speaker 2: uncovered thus far. And the Prime Minister has said there
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Speaker 2: is no known motivation, but he has said that it
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Speaker 2: appears to be a deliberate attack. This is based on
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Speaker 2: the accounts of bystanders and witnesses. Now, Albanese used the
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Speaker 2: press conference tonight to stress that the temperature and political
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Speaker 2: rhetoric should be lowered.
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Speaker 3: Got to look up. the interviews in which I've done
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Speaker 3: and called for the temperature to be turned down when
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Speaker 3: it comes to political discourse.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, this is the precise point that we've been
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Speaker 2: making right here, that Albanese and his own ministers need
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Speaker 2: to lower the temperature, whether it comes to language about
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Speaker 2: One Nation, Pauline Hanson or Israel. All politicians need to
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Speaker 2: refrain from using language that could encourage hatred or violence.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we need to engage in healthy political debate.
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Speaker 2: It's crucial to democracy, but not in a way that
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Speaker 2: incites violence. And social media is a huge part of
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Speaker 2: the problem. And just to reiterate, as we speak tonight,
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Speaker 2: Helen Haynes is in a critical condition in hospital. Her
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Speaker 2: family has released a statement saying this afternoon our beloved
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Speaker 2: Helen was involved in an incident outside her Wangaratta electorate
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Speaker 2: office and is receiving medical care. We thank the swift
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Speaker 2: assistance of bystanders and the dedicated health workers who assisted
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Speaker 2: her and police for their response. Our family and Helen's
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Speaker 2: staff will be making no further comment at this time
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Speaker 2: and ask that their privacy be respected by the public
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Speaker 2: and media. And of course, here at News 24, our
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Speaker 2: thoughts and prayers are with Helen and her family. The
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Speaker 2: 65-year-old is a mother of three. She's a former nurse,
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Speaker 2: midwife and health researcher. She was first elected as the
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Speaker 2: independent federal member for Indi in 2019. She's been credited
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Speaker 2: as a key figure behind the establishment of the National
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Speaker 2: Anti-Corruption Commission. And we can just pray tonight that she
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Speaker 2: will pull through.
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Speaker 1: We pray for her.
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Speaker 2: This is truly heartbreaking news. Let's bring in now for
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Speaker 2: more News 24 reporter, political reporter Cam Redden with the latest.
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Speaker 1: And Cam, after that.
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Speaker 2: Press conference tonight, the Prime Minister went on the ABC
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Speaker 2: 730 program and he went a bit further when he
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Speaker 2: said that this.
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Speaker 1: Does appear to be a deliberate attack. Have a look
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Speaker 1: at his comments.
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Speaker 3: There was a deliberate act, it would appear. We don't
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Speaker 3: know what motivation is. So that is the work that's
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Speaker 3: being undertaken by the Victorian Police together with the Australian
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Speaker 3: Federal Police.
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Speaker 2: Now, Cam, I said this a moment ago, this theory
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Speaker 2: that it was a deliberate attack comes from witnesses and
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Speaker 2: bystanders and the accounts that they've given to authorities.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a truly unsettling moment, Shari. It will
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Speaker 5: have a long tail in Australian politics. We are about
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Speaker 5: to go into a Victorian state election campaign where MPs
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Speaker 5: and ministers and the Premier and The person who wants
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Speaker 5: to be the Premier, Jess Wilson, will be out walking
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Speaker 5: the street just about every day. And even in the
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Speaker 5: last hour or so, as news of this became apparent
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Speaker 5: and how serious it was, I've been in contact with
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Speaker 5: MPs and chiefs of staff and staff members of politicians
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Speaker 5: who are already reviewing their own practices when it comes
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Speaker 5: to looking for ways to improve their own processes and
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Speaker 5: security because she was simply, so go the reports, unloading
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Speaker 5: stuff out the back of her car, out the front
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Speaker 5: of her office, Shari. I mean, that's something that people
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Speaker 5: do every day, whether you're a politician or not. And
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Speaker 5: the idea that she has just by doing that become
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Speaker 5: a target is incredibly unsettling. So you've played a lot
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Speaker 5: of what the Prime Minister has said there. I doubt
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Speaker 5: we're going to get a great more deal of information tonight,
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Speaker 5: but tomorrow we may well get a clearer picture. The
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Speaker 5: police also saying that in terms of the medical response,
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Speaker 5: You mentioned she is in a critical condition. She had
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Speaker 5: to be medevaced away from this scene. Such was the
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Speaker 5: scene that many of those cars were still being looked
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Speaker 5: at and assessed even as of this evening. So we
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Speaker 5: will hope to get more information likely early tomorrow from
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Speaker 5: police and hopefully it is a positive medical update as well.
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Speaker 2: Cam, can you tell us a bit about Helen Haynes?
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's not a particularly controversial politician.
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Speaker 1: She is independent. She's well-liked, I understand, across political aisle.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a genuinely good person, Shari, and it really
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Speaker 5: does stand out when you work in a place like
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Speaker 5: Parliament House, I've got to say, because she's someone who,
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Speaker 5: when you step away from the microphone, is the first
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Speaker 5: person to have a laugh with you and say g'day
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Speaker 5: and ask how you're going. She's been around this place
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Speaker 5: for 10 years or so, and from memory too, was
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Speaker 5: a history maker in the fact that she was the
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Speaker 5: first independent to have the baton passed from another independent.
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Speaker 5: When Cathy McGowan retired, she contested that seat as an independent.
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Speaker 5: It had never been done before in Australian politics where
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Speaker 5: one independent wins off another. So she was a history
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Speaker 5: maker in her own right, campaigned, as you mentioned, doggedly
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Speaker 5: for many years to establish the National Anti-Corruption Commission. But
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Speaker 5: would work across the parliament, was thought of as somebody
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Speaker 5: who was diligent, who took things issue by issue. She
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Speaker 5: would stand up with Labor, stand up with the Liberal
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Speaker 5: Party and work across the aisle and was a true
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Speaker 5: conviction politician and was a dying breed in the sense
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Speaker 5: of politics, Shari, that she would work and talk with everyone.
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Speaker 5: She would work with people behind the scenes. to hear
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Speaker 5: their issues out and to try and make the world
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Speaker 5: a better place. And I know that sounds like, you know,
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Speaker 5: just something to say, but at a time like this,
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Speaker 5: it's worth reflecting that politicians are human beings and that
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Speaker 5: these people go in to make their communities a better place.
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Speaker 5: And that's what she tried to do and still does
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Speaker 5: Every day I've noticed, certainly, and has tried to do
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Speaker 5: as a community independent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, I know you were using the
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Speaker 2: past tense a bit there, but we do hope she
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Speaker 2: pulls through. We'll be praying that she is able to
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Speaker 2: make a full recovery and return to the vibrant political
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Speaker 2: life that she was leading. Cam, Victorian police have stressed
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Speaker 2: they're still investigating if this was a targeted attack. attack
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Speaker 2: or a tragic incident. Now, we've already spoken about the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's comments tonight. But the reality is we are
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Speaker 2: living in increasingly dangerous times where political rhetoric right across
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Speaker 2: the Western world can so easily turn violent. And we've
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Speaker 2: seen similar instances in the UK. I say similar instances, again,
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Speaker 2: stressing that police are still investigating.
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Speaker 1: But we have.
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Speaker 2: Seen instances in the UK and the US where politicians
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Speaker 2: have been targeted.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember being in the UK not too long
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Speaker 5: after the Joe Cox incident, Shari, and you could feel
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Speaker 5: then that the mood was tenser around their politics, that
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Speaker 5: people were starting to think differently about how politicians were
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Speaker 5: engaging with the public. And Tony Burke mentioned those figures
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Speaker 5: of a thousand reports that have escalated to authorities of
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Speaker 5: threats to politicians in the last financial year. I remember
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Speaker 5: reporting earlier this year, Shari, of some meetings that had
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Speaker 5: been had, largely just pull aside meetings and mentions, but
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Speaker 5: with the Speaker of the House, Milton Dick, and some
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Speaker 5: members of parliament from different parties saying, gee, the mood
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Speaker 5: out there is pretty ordinary and people are getting really
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Speaker 5: fired up. We need to make sure that parliament on
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Speaker 5: tv that the look that we put out there and
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Speaker 5: present is calm is orderly and it doesn't look like
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Speaker 5: people are just at each other's throats all the time
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Speaker 5: because it's rubbing off and having an effect that's a
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Speaker 5: concern across the aisle and shari the the fear that
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Speaker 5: the prime minister and others have spoken about for months
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Speaker 5: now is that this might escalate into something like what
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Speaker 5: we've seen tonight with helen haynes obviously the full motivations
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Speaker 5: aren't yet known but the prime minister is the language
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Speaker 5: he is using, he is under no illusions that he
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Speaker 5: believes this was very much a targeted attack.
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Speaker 2: All right, Cam Redden, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that update.
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Speaker 2: And let's bring in our Shadow Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma. Dave, look, you actually knew Helen quite well,
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Speaker 2: worked with her on several committees.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about Helen?
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm sure there are many people in the parliament
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Speaker 6: who know her better than I do, but she is
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Speaker 6: a thoroughly decent, hardworking, generous, warm, kind, good human being.
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Speaker 6: I came into parliament the same year as her in 2019.
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Speaker 6: We've co-chaired a few different parliamentary friendship groups together, parliamentary
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Speaker 6: friends of cycling, this term parliamentary friends of maternal health.
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Speaker 6: And of course, Helen's a well-qualified maternal health and nurse
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Speaker 6: in a previous life. And You know, she brought that
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Speaker 6: level of care from her professional life into how she
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Speaker 6: dealt with the public sphere and other members of parliament.
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Speaker 6: So her and her family are very much in my
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Speaker 6: thoughts and I'm obviously joining the nation in hoping for
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Speaker 6: her fullest recovery.
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Speaker 2: Does this worry you if it is, as the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister says, it appears to be a targeted deliberate attack?
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Speaker 6: It worries me deeply. Now, You know, I've seen what
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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister said. I've also noticed that, you know,
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Speaker 6: police and others are saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions
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Speaker 6: and I certainly don't want to do that. But I
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Speaker 6: think anyone in public life, you know, fears this sort
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Speaker 6: of thing and I think if it was indeed a
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Speaker 6: targeted attack, a deliberate attempt to hurt someone in public life,
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Speaker 6: you know, I think that's terrifying not only for elected representatives,
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Speaker 6: of course, but I think for our body politic, the
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Speaker 6: functioning of Australian democracy.
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Speaker 2: Both the Prime Minister and the Home Affairs Minister stressed
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Speaker 2: that the temperature of political discourse needs to be lowered.
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Speaker 2: Albanese said, you can pull up my previous remarks, this
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Speaker 2: is what I've been saying. Do you think this has,
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Speaker 2: if this is targeted, do you think this has played
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Speaker 2: into it, political rhetoric?
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Speaker 6: Look, I don't think we can draw those sorts of
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Speaker 6: conclusions yet, particularly since we don't know anything about the motive,
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Speaker 6: the identification of the perpetrator and indeed whether it was
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Speaker 6: an accident or whether it was intentional. You know, in
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Speaker 6: a free and open society like Australia with a parliamentary democracy,
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Speaker 6: it's the nature of politics for there to be public disagreement. Now,
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Speaker 6: does that need to be kept within civil bounds? Yes, absolutely. But,
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Speaker 6: you know, we have a free and open exchange of
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Speaker 6: ideas in Australia. That's the sort of society and the
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Speaker 6: sort of country we are. And, you know, we all
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Speaker 6: need to be careful about whoever we are in public life,
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Speaker 6: about making sure that whilst we might be, you know,
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Speaker 6: fighting or disagreeing with someone's ideas or views or policies,
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Speaker 6: we're not saying, you know, we're not disrespecting their entitlement
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Speaker 6: to their own opinion or indeed their entitlement to live
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Speaker 6: a peaceful and harmonious life. And I think that's something
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Speaker 6: we all in public life need to watch. But, you know,
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Speaker 6: it's an ongoing challenge in a free society such as ours.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the main motivation of law enforcement tonight is
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Speaker 2: investigating motivation, the motivation behind.
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Speaker 1: This attack, if it was indeed deliberate.
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Speaker 2: David, I just want to ask you about a couple
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Speaker 2: of other issues and then, of course, we are going
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Speaker 2: to come back to the breaking news on Helen Haynes
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Speaker 2: throughout the show and bring you every single development.
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Speaker 1: But, David, I want to get a.
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Speaker 2: Comment from you on the Paris riots that now seem
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Speaker 2: to be spreading throughout Europe. Is this a symptom of
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Speaker 2: Western civilisation in decay?
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Speaker 6: Look, I think it's a symptom of a public that's
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Speaker 6: frustrated about declining living standards and worsening economic conditions. I mean,
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Speaker 6: I think, you know, if you want to sort of
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Speaker 6: highlight what's unified the gilets jaunes, the protesters from eight
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Speaker 6: years ago who have resurfaced with the people, youngest people
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Speaker 6: who have been protesting about lack of investment in public education,
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Speaker 6: at heart it's the difficulty of the French state to
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Speaker 6: meet the expectations of the public.
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Speaker 7: And.
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Speaker 6: You know, let's not forget, I mean, the French Revolution
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Speaker 6: was itself the product of a fiscal crisis and a
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Speaker 6: cost of living crisis, the price of bread and a
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Speaker 6: government that couldn't pay its debts and couldn't borrow any
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Speaker 6: more money. So I think what we're seeing is a
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Speaker 6: level of public discontent about economic stagnation. And that picture
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Speaker 6: is not uniform across the Western world, but it's certainly
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Speaker 6: in parts of the Western world, including, frankly, here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I mean, this has also been described as a
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Speaker 2: mass migration problem.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that characterisation?
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Speaker 6: I can't see the causal link there. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 6: other people might be able to, but as far as
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Speaker 6: I can tell, I mean, there were people who were protesting.
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Speaker 6: Those protests have been infected, as they often are, by
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Speaker 6: radical elements. Now, whether they are from the far left
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Speaker 6: or the far right or particular communities, I really don't...
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Speaker 6: But I think at the heart of this is, you know,
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Speaker 6: if you've got half a million people on the streets,
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Speaker 6: even if not all of them are violent, if you've
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Speaker 6: got half a million people on the streets, you know,
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Speaker 6: they're pretty angry about something and they're pretty upset about something.
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Speaker 2: Look, as I said, this does appear to be spreading
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Speaker 2: to other cities now.
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Speaker 1: Are you worried?
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Speaker 2: I mean, Australia always seems to follow suit, whether it's
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Speaker 2: the pro-Palestinian marches or the Black Lives Matter or climate protests.
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Speaker 2: Are you worried that this sort of violence will end
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Speaker 2: up here?
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Speaker 6: Look, I think it's, you know, we should always be
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Speaker 6: vigilant and on alert for that. But, you know, I
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Speaker 6: do think and believe, and I hope that's still the case,
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Speaker 6: that the political culture of Australia does not lend itself
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Speaker 6: to this sort of, you know, violent outbreaks. I mean,
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Speaker 6: France throughout its modern history has had these sorts of
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Speaker 6: quite large and quite violent protests, other countries less so.
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Speaker 6: So I would hope that we're not going to see
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Speaker 6: something like that here in Australia.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, thank you so much, joining us live from Adelaide.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in now, let's return to the
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Speaker 2: news tonight, the heartbreaking news that Helen Haynes has been hit.
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Speaker 2: And I'm joined by News24 host Steve Price and former
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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, Bronwyn Bishop. Independent MP Bronwyn, Helen Haynes,
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Speaker 2: The PM says it appears to be a targeted attack.
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Speaker 2: Law enforcement, of course, say they're still investigating. No known
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Speaker 2: motivation at this point. What's your reaction to this?
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Speaker 7: I'm horrified.
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Speaker 8: I really am because Helen Hayes was an independent. She's
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Speaker 8: not a high profile politician as such. She would be
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Speaker 8: in her own electorate. Whatever the motivation is, it's horrendous
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Speaker 8: that it's occurred. And I just join with everyone saying
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Speaker 8: I just wish her a complete recovery so she can
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Speaker 8: resume her membership of the parliament and carrying out the
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Speaker 8: wishes of her electorate. But in order to allay the
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Speaker 8: sort of behaviour that's occurring, it's all very well for
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister to say, lower the temperature. But he
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Speaker 8: doesn't do that with these actions. And from the time
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Speaker 8: of that demonstration that occurred after the 7th of October
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Speaker 8: and the march down to the Opera House and the
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Speaker 8: march across the bridge, the temperature has been rising. And
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Speaker 8: that's because no action was taken against it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an important point.
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Speaker 2: The politicians often like to say the temperature needs to
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Speaker 2: be lowered, but they're speaking about their political opponents. They
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Speaker 2: need to take responsibility as well because there's rising violence
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Speaker 2: against different communities. I just want to bring in some
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Speaker 2: of the latest news from the Herald Sun. As I said,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has said this wasn't an accident, but
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Speaker 2: also the Herald Sun's reporting that she might not she
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Speaker 2: might lose both of her legs because they're reporting that
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Speaker 2: the critical injuries were to her lower body and it
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Speaker 2: might lead to her losing both of her legs. Steve,
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Speaker 2: at this point, given the description from Victorian Police that
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Speaker 2: her injuries are critical, you know, we're just hoping that
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Speaker 2: she'll be able to make it.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 9: And, you know, if this turns out to be a
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Speaker 9: targeted attack, The ramifications of what occurred at 3.30 this
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Speaker 9: afternoon in Wangaratta will be extreme. We're five and a
21:03
Speaker 9: half weeks out from a state election in Victoria and
21:07
Speaker 9: we have One Nation polling extremely well, which means One
21:11
Speaker 9: Nation leader Pauline Hanson will be in Victoria more than
21:14
Speaker 9: she would have otherwise normally been. We already know that
21:17
Speaker 9: security around the One Nation leader is extremely high. when
21:22
Speaker 9: they have functions, they deliberately don't tell people where those
21:25
Speaker 9: functions are going to be, because the risk threat that
21:28
Speaker 9: they've been told about is extreme. You've then got, you know,
21:32
Speaker 9: Labor Premier Ben Carroll and Jess Wilson, the Liberal leader,
21:35
Speaker 9: they're going to be out in public on the streets
21:39
Speaker 9: every day for the next five weeks. It's not just
21:41
Speaker 9: a normal cycle in politics. This is an election campaign. And,
21:46
Speaker 9: you know, let's just hope that that this is not
21:50
Speaker 9: a target attack, if it turns out to be. I mean,
21:52
Speaker 9: it just goes, and Tony Burke made this point tonight, Shari,
21:55
Speaker 9: about the level and number of threats against high-ranking politicians
22:03
Speaker 9: over the last 12 months have gone through the roof.
22:07
Speaker 9: And we must remember in Victoria too, I mean, it's
22:10
Speaker 9: not that far back. Then we had two Victoria police
22:14
Speaker 9: officers shot dead by Desi Freeman. And then Freeman himself,
22:17
Speaker 9: of course, was shot in the very same region of
22:20
Speaker 9: where Helen Hayne's seat is. She, in fact, is the
22:23
Speaker 9: local federal member of the town of Port Punker where
22:26
Speaker 9: that all took place. So we're in very dangerous times
22:29
Speaker 9: if this turns out to be targeted.
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Speaker 2: And just the Herald Sun is reporting that one source
22:35
Speaker 2: has told them and it's not they haven't named who
22:37
Speaker 2: it is. They're saying one source has told them that
22:39
Speaker 2: she was hit multiple times. So that goes, if that
22:44
Speaker 2: is true, if that is accurate, that goes to the
22:46
Speaker 2: evidence that this was deliberate. Bronwyn, you know, just on
22:51
Speaker 2: the political climate, you know, over the past few years,
22:55
Speaker 2: there have been several politicians, often conservative politicians, who have
22:59
Speaker 2: needed full-time security. At the moment, Pauline Hanson needs, you know,
23:06
Speaker 2: police protection whenever she's in public. So we know there
23:10
Speaker 2: is this level of of hatred, of political violence, this
23:15
Speaker 2: dangerous climate, this volatile climate at the moment?
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter Dutton literally had people living on his property.
23:24
Speaker 8: There is a danger in public life and there has
23:30
Speaker 8: been examples where lots of us have had threats. But
23:35
Speaker 8: this level, that description just sent the most ghastly shiver
23:40
Speaker 8: down my spine. to think that that could be, if
23:43
Speaker 8: it's true, that that's what was done to her. It
23:46
Speaker 8: is just beyond, beyond the imagining of any threat against
23:51
Speaker 8: a member of the parliament. And we pride ourselves in
23:55
Speaker 8: this country. I know that we could walk around and
23:59
Speaker 8: we could talk with people and interact with people. It's
24:01
Speaker 8: part of what we do in this country, that you're available,
24:04
Speaker 8: that people can come up to you and say hello.
24:07
Speaker 8: And I've even had the odd kiss put on my face, um,
24:11
Speaker 8: It's just the way it is. But to see this
24:14
Speaker 8: sort of story come out, as I said, it sent
24:16
Speaker 8: the most horrible shiver right down my spine.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the climate here is nothing like
24:22
Speaker 2: in the United States where, of course, President Trump has
24:25
Speaker 2: been subject to multiple assassination attempts.
24:28
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a miracle he is still alive, really.
24:32
Speaker 2: Steve, I also want to go to the bravery of
24:34
Speaker 2: this bystander, the barber, the local barber who... is said
24:40
Speaker 2: to have seen the accident, who came out of his
24:42
Speaker 2: store and pulled the man from his vehicle. We know
24:46
Speaker 2: it's a 43-year-old man and he made this citizen's arrest.
24:49
Speaker 2: He detained him until police got there. The 43-year-old's now
24:53
Speaker 2: in custody. Fantastic, fantastic bravery from this barber.
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Speaker 7: 100%.
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Speaker 9: I mean, apparently he secured, according to some reports, a
25:05
Speaker 9: flick knife that this person had on his person. and
25:09
Speaker 9: managed to keep this person on the ground until police arrived.
25:12
Speaker 9: I know Wangaratta really well. I've got relatives who live there.
25:15
Speaker 9: I've been up there hundreds of times. It's a great
25:19
Speaker 9: town in northeast Victoria. It's the centre of the rural
25:22
Speaker 9: community up there. Daniel Andrews, bizarrely, He was actually born
25:28
Speaker 9: in Wangaratta and raised and went to school there. So
25:31
Speaker 9: it's a place that would be very shocked that this
25:34
Speaker 9: had happened because, as I know well, Helen was very much...
25:39
Speaker 9: a popular local. She's not a teal. She's an independent.
25:43
Speaker 9: She might have some political views that we don't agree with,
25:45
Speaker 9: but she represented that community very well. She's been re-elected twice.
25:50
Speaker 9: So this is a woman who was respected in her community.
25:53
Speaker 9: Her electoral office is in the main street. The main
25:55
Speaker 9: street of Wangaratta is the main road going north when
25:58
Speaker 9: you go back to join the Hume Highway. So the
26:01
Speaker 9: town themselves tonight will be saying, why us? Why would
26:05
Speaker 9: this have happened? We're just going to have to wait
26:07
Speaker 9: and see.
26:07
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I mean, one of the last posts she has
26:11
Speaker 2: put up on social media or on Instagram just a
26:14
Speaker 2: day ago was holding the Australian flag and saying that
26:18
Speaker 2: our national flag is a powerful symbol of who we
26:20
Speaker 2: are as Australians, our history, our values, the country we're
26:23
Speaker 2: proud to call.
26:24
Speaker 1: Home, you know, just a day ago.
26:27
Speaker 2: So, you know, Bronwyn, I mean, just a day ago
26:31
Speaker 2: the next post is from her family wishing her a
26:34
Speaker 2: full recovery and expressing gratitude how devastated they are that
26:37
Speaker 2: their beloved Helen has been hit by a car, a
26:42
Speaker 2: white Toyota Land Cruiser, this afternoon outside her electorate office.
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Speaker 8: She's clearly a person who had a very close association
26:50
Speaker 8: with her electorate and the people in it. And you
26:53
Speaker 8: do build that as a local member. You do build
26:57
Speaker 8: a rapport. You are available to them.
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Speaker 7: I agree with.
27:04
Speaker 8: What you said about the bravery, Steve, of that man
27:09
Speaker 8: who did the citizen's arrest. I mean, that says so
27:12
Speaker 8: many good things about the Australian people, but nothing can
27:16
Speaker 8: offset what's happened to her. I'm sorry.
27:18
Speaker 7: I really, really feel.
27:20
Speaker 8: That this is something that we've never seen the like
27:23
Speaker 8: of before. We've seen the dreadful outcome of what happened
27:30
Speaker 8: at Bondi, where hate was allowed to reign supreme. What
27:36
Speaker 8: on earth would cause someone to do this to another
27:38
Speaker 8: human being like this? It's beyond my comprehension.
27:41
Speaker 2: And that's the question we're all asking. That's the question
27:44
Speaker 2: that authorities will be investigating. Hopefully they will be questioning
27:50
Speaker 2: the 43-year-old in custody and seeing... I mean, as the
27:53
Speaker 2: Victorian Police statement said, it's not known whether the individuals
27:56
Speaker 2: knew each other. It's not known what the motivation.
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Speaker 1: Is if this does..... if this is.
28:02
Speaker 2: A targeted attack, as the Prime Minister's indicated it is.
28:06
Speaker 8: Well, the indications that we've had, the reports that we've
28:09
Speaker 8: had are horrendous, just horrendous.
28:13
Speaker 1: All right, Bronwyn Bishop.
28:15
Speaker 2: And I have to say, Bronwyn, I'm sorry this has
28:17
Speaker 2: happened as well because it's your birthday today, 84th birthday,
28:20
Speaker 2: and we wanted to have a wonderful, happy, fun show,
28:22
Speaker 2: wishing you a big happy birthday. And here you are
28:25
Speaker 2: on your birthday discussing this terrible news. But here's to
28:30
Speaker 2: a year of good health and success for you.
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Speaker 8: Well, thank you very much. And can I simply say,
28:36
Speaker 8: That's what I would wish for Helen.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed.
28:39
Speaker 2: And we are all praying for her. All right, Steve Price,
28:42
Speaker 2: Bronwyn Bishop, thank you. All right, later on the program,
28:45
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Macron has finally addressed the nation. France is still
28:48
Speaker 2: burning to the ground. Brendan O'Neill will join us live.
28:52
Speaker 2: And after the break, we'll get the latest news on
28:54
Speaker 2: the Helen Haynes attack.
29:01
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
29:02
Speaker 2: And tonight, politicians from across the political spectrum, a warning
29:06
Speaker 2: against political violence, saying that the temperature needs to be
29:10
Speaker 2: lowered after the suspected targeted attack on independent MP Helen
29:15
Speaker 2: Haynes this afternoon outside her electorate office. The Prime Minister
29:20
Speaker 2: and Home Affairs Minister have made it clear that this
29:23
Speaker 2: appears to be.
29:24
Speaker 1: A deliberate attack.
29:25
Speaker 2: Witnesses have described a man in a white Toyota Land
29:29
Speaker 2: Cruiser doing a U-turn. And one source has told the
29:32
Speaker 2: Herald Sun that Helen Haynes was repeatedly hit. She's in
29:37
Speaker 2: a critical condition in hospital.
29:39
Speaker 1: It's been reported.
29:40
Speaker 2: that her lower body, her legs, are the most critically injured,
29:45
Speaker 2: the most severely injured, and she may have to lose
29:48
Speaker 2: both of her legs. We're all tonight praying that she'll
29:51
Speaker 2: make a full recovery, and joining me now for more
29:54
Speaker 2: is veteran broadcaster Ray Hadley. Ray, this is horrific news
29:58
Speaker 2: that a politician has appears to have been targeted deliberately
30:02
Speaker 2: outside her electorate office while she was.
30:04
Speaker 1: Unpacking the shopping.
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Speaker 7: Well, in my lifetime, it's unprecedented. But I was thinking
30:11
Speaker 7: about it when I was listening to Steve and Bronwyn.
30:13
Speaker 7: We live in a violent world. And we're not talking
30:16
Speaker 7: about France or Russia or the United States of America.
30:20
Speaker 7: We're talking about here. Police have a very difficult job
30:25
Speaker 7: dealing with teenagers who are being paid tens of thousands
30:28
Speaker 7: of dollars... via encrypted apps to go out and kill people.
30:32
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's even a couple hundred bucks.
30:35
Speaker 7: So I haven't seen the level of violence that we're
30:39
Speaker 7: seeing in this country ever before. And to have a politician,
30:45
Speaker 7: a hardworking local member, an independent, not affiliated with either
30:48
Speaker 7: of the major parties or One Nation, to be allegedly
30:51
Speaker 7: targeted by someone in her own electorate is just horrific.
30:57
Speaker 7: And the family must be just despairing at the news.
31:00
Speaker 7: I mean, she's doing a shopping in a rural town
31:05
Speaker 7: in Victoria and targeted in this fashion. And the Prime
31:09
Speaker 7: Minister said targeted, so it must be targeted. Look, by
31:12
Speaker 7: tomorrow and by Wednesday and Thursday and Friday, we'll know
31:16
Speaker 7: more about it and who the person is that they
31:18
Speaker 7: have detained at the moment. But it just means that
31:21
Speaker 7: we are now living in a society where violence reigns supreme.
31:26
Speaker 7: in all levels of society, whether it's in Western Sydney,
31:28
Speaker 7: where a 13-year-old allegedly stabbed a man to death, where
31:31
Speaker 7: men are in custody, along with women, for allegedly killing people,
31:35
Speaker 7: and some of the people killed by mistake, including the
31:39
Speaker 7: elderly gentleman from North Western Sydney. So it's just an
31:42
Speaker 7: horrific time in our history. And as I said at
31:45
Speaker 7: the start of our conversation, unprecedented. It hasn't happened before.
31:49
Speaker 2: So you look at Victoria and crime has been a
31:51
Speaker 2: major issue in the current state election campaign, particularly with
31:56
Speaker 2: home break-ins, burglaries, car thefts.
31:59
Speaker 1: You look at New South.
32:00
Speaker 2: Wales, the gangland crime that you just referred to, but also,
32:04
Speaker 2: of course, in both states, the anti-Semitic violence as well,
32:09
Speaker 2: some of that paid for by Iran, you know, through
32:12
Speaker 2: just cheap criminals. So And it's really New South Wales
32:16
Speaker 2: and Victoria are the main places.
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Speaker 10: A lot of youth.
32:20
Speaker 2: Crime as well in regional areas. Queensland, that's been an issue.
32:24
Speaker 7: Tony Burke spoke about, and I heard you mention, the
32:26
Speaker 7: number of threats that are made. Look, threats have always
32:30
Speaker 7: been part. I mean, when I was on air, you know,
32:31
Speaker 7: it would be a monthly event. You'd get a threat
32:33
Speaker 7: of some description. And the police would say, you need
32:36
Speaker 7: to worry when they start acting on those threats. But
32:39
Speaker 7: what we have now are not threats. We have people
32:42
Speaker 7: doing things. I mean, it's one thing to threaten someone.
32:45
Speaker 7: It's a very big leap to actually do something about
32:48
Speaker 7: the threat that you've made. I mean, the threat's unconscionable
32:50
Speaker 7: to start with. But then to actually act on the threat,
32:55
Speaker 7: it's horrible. It's terrifying. And, I mean, in the past,
32:58
Speaker 7: I mean, politicians have been, you know, we can have
33:01
Speaker 7: the argy-bargy debate about the merits of politicians, but they've
33:04
Speaker 7: been a protected species, as they should be. They're our
33:07
Speaker 7: elected officials. The same as judges. The same as, you know,
33:11
Speaker 7: police officers. And there have been some terrible incidents involving
33:15
Speaker 7: police officers that Steve mentioned in Victoria and also in Queensland.
33:19
Speaker 7: But to a certain extent, those parts of society have
33:23
Speaker 7: not been targeted in the manner that they're now being targeted,
33:25
Speaker 7: along with a whole range of other people not connected
33:28
Speaker 7: with either politicians, judges, magistrates or, in fact, the police officers.
33:33
Speaker 7: It's just a terrible indication of where we are.
33:36
Speaker 2: And you've got to say that social media has made
33:39
Speaker 2: this a lot worse. I mean, threats back in the day...
33:43
Speaker 2: would come in the post, right? Now, everyone has a
33:47
Speaker 2: mobile phone. All the politicians have got social media. They
33:51
Speaker 2: use it for campaigning. They want to use it for campaigning.
33:54
Speaker 2: They're doing all these videos all the time on all
33:58
Speaker 2: sides of politics. But then the threats are so easy.
34:01
Speaker 2: And also the campaigns against people. And a lot of
34:07
Speaker 2: the information isn't true.
34:08
Speaker 1: It's not real.
34:11
Speaker 7: Well, see, bullying is another aspect of this, and I'm
34:13
Speaker 7: not suggesting that we, you know, trivialise the attack on
34:17
Speaker 7: a politician about bullying. But, I mean, you know, an
34:21
Speaker 7: old bloke, before social media, there was bullying, but not
34:24
Speaker 7: in the form it is now, where it has a
34:26
Speaker 7: wide audience and young boys and girls are being bullied
34:30
Speaker 7: via social media. And I know we have, you know,
34:32
Speaker 7: we're putting steps in place to try and stop that,
34:35
Speaker 7: and people are very conscious of it. But at the
34:37
Speaker 7: end of the day, society has changed. Yep. Via social media.
34:42
Speaker 7: And I mean, the most obvious one is these, you know,
34:45
Speaker 7: encrypted apps where people are commissioned to actually commit crimes. Yeah, exactly.
34:51
Speaker 7: It doesn't happen. It didn't happen 30 years ago or
34:54
Speaker 7: 20 years ago, probably 10 years ago. It's happening more
34:56
Speaker 7: prevalently now. But look, the main concern of the moment
34:59
Speaker 7: is for this poor lady, Helen Haynes. We've got to
35:01
Speaker 7: hope and pray that she pulls through. Indeed. That's the
35:03
Speaker 7: most important thing.
35:04
Speaker 1: Ray, I want to ask you about another couple of
35:06
Speaker 1: other topics.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure.
35:08
Speaker 2: Now, a few weeks ago I had some polling on
35:10
Speaker 2: One Nation. You've now got some, particularly two parts to it,
35:15
Speaker 2: but first how it relates to the Nationals.
35:16
Speaker 7: Well, I've been chasing it because, as usual, you're spot on.
35:20
Speaker 7: So for the last couple of weeks I've been sniffing
35:22
Speaker 7: around and I've got my hands on some secret One
35:25
Speaker 7: Nation polling that confirms what you said. Now, currently the
35:29
Speaker 7: Nationals in New South Wales hold 11 seats, obviously all
35:32
Speaker 7: in rural areas. And they think based on, and this
35:36
Speaker 7: is really important, based on primary votes, they can claim 9,
35:40
Speaker 7: 10 or even 11, even Gurmash Singh at Coffs Harbour
35:43
Speaker 7: is not safe for leader. And One Nation are very
35:46
Speaker 7: confident they'll take quite a number of national seats in
35:50
Speaker 7: the next election which comes up in March.
35:52
Speaker 2: So you're saying there's currently 11 seats and this polling
35:55
Speaker 2: shows they're taking at least 9?
35:57
Speaker 7: At least 9 and maybe 10.
35:59
Speaker 2: There'll be no nationals left? According to this secret One
36:02
Speaker 2: Nation polling.
36:03
Speaker 7: There might be one left in the lower house. But
36:04
Speaker 7: then there's a really interesting seat in the Hunter Valley
36:07
Speaker 7: called Cessnock, which has been held by Labor bar one
36:10
Speaker 7: election since about 1927. And last time they thumped the
36:15
Speaker 7: One Nation candidate. They'd never performed in that electorate before.
36:19
Speaker 7: They got 15%. And, you know, two-party preferred they wipe
36:22
Speaker 7: the floor with them. But now they've got a very
36:24
Speaker 7: strong candidate, obviously the leader, Mike Newman up there.
36:28
Speaker 4: But.
36:29
Speaker 7: It's got a margin of somewhere between 19% and 20%.
36:32
Speaker 7: The swing is going to be massive. But the research
36:36
Speaker 7: I did on Cessnock, which is a Labor seat obviously,
36:38
Speaker 7: is that Cessnock itself is a city, a tourism city,
36:42
Speaker 7: used to be a mining city. In that they've got
36:44
Speaker 7: Currie Currie, but to the north of Cessnock they've got
36:46
Speaker 7: all these massive home estates where young people are there,
36:51
Speaker 7: first home buyers. They can't buy in the city so
36:53
Speaker 7: they go to these regional areas and then to the
36:55
Speaker 7: east of Cessnock you come back to the coast and
36:58
Speaker 7: And there are suburbs like Cameron Park, West Walls End
37:01
Speaker 7: and others where there, again, are massive housing estates. And
37:05
Speaker 7: they think that the people in those housing estates through
37:08
Speaker 7: the mortgage belt. They're going to punish Chris Minns because
37:12
Speaker 7: they can't punish Anthony Albanese nor Jim Chalmers.
37:15
Speaker 11: Yeah.
37:16
Speaker 7: So, I mean, it would be ridiculous to sit here
37:18
Speaker 7: on national TV and say, oh, One Nation can win Cessnock.
37:22
Speaker 7: But they really can.
37:23
Speaker 2: They can. Well, Mike Newman, who's the One Nation leader
37:26
Speaker 2: standing in Cessnock, he says his primary's in the 40s.
37:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's extraordinary.
37:32
Speaker 7: I've spoken to a lot of... I've got some family
37:33
Speaker 7: up there. I've spoken to a lot of young people
37:35
Speaker 7: in Cameron Park. You know, I go up there a
37:38
Speaker 7: little bit and... The buzz around there from the blokes
37:41
Speaker 7: wearing the orange gear, the trade is they've had a gutful.
37:45
Speaker 6: Yeah.
37:45
Speaker 7: They've really had a gutful. Yeah.
37:47
Speaker 1: Ray, thank you so much, as always. We'll see you
37:50
Speaker 1: next week.
37:50
Speaker 7: All the best. Thanks very much.
37:51
Speaker 10: Cheers.
37:51
Speaker 7: Thank you.
37:52
Speaker 2: All right, still to come, Brendan O'Neill provides an update
37:55
Speaker 2: on the chaos gripping France.
37:57
Speaker 1: That's next.
38:01
Speaker 2: Well, let's turn now to the catastrophic riot sweeping France.
38:05
Speaker 2: And more than half a million people took to the streets,
38:07
Speaker 2: 2,000 have been arrested and hundreds of police injured. These
38:13
Speaker 2: are not peaceful protests. They're marked by violence, chaos, destruction
38:18
Speaker 2: and hatred. City storefronts have been smashed, barricades burnt, landmarks toppled.
38:25
Speaker 2: I mean, look here at the Place de Bastille, overrun
38:28
Speaker 2: with protesters and the Palestinian flag flying. And look at
38:33
Speaker 2: this burning building in Lyon on Saturday. The city hall
38:37
Speaker 2: in the town of Limoges was also set alight and
38:40
Speaker 2: there were carjackings. In Bordeaux, this Louis Vuitton store stormed
38:45
Speaker 2: and looted. And the reason, as random and arbitrary as
38:49
Speaker 2: the cost of living and education and the public servants,
38:53
Speaker 2: but many activists were also seen waving the Palestinian flag.
38:57
Speaker 2: There's no clear logical reason. This is pure civil unrest.
39:02
Speaker 2: and French leadership are failing to contain the anger. Politicians
39:06
Speaker 2: and police appear either powerless or gutless. And here was
39:11
Speaker 2: President Emmanuel Macron in a televised address condemning the violence.
39:16
Speaker 12: Yesterday, some hundreds and thousands of men and women and
39:20
Speaker 12: fellow citizens protested with legitimate claims. And we should never
39:27
Speaker 12: mix up those.
39:29
Speaker 12: People, those men and women who protested peacefully, with looters
39:34
Speaker 12: and rioters. The youth of our nation are expressing great
39:38
Speaker 12: anguish and concern about the future.
39:41
Speaker 2: And the far-right leader Marine Le Pen criticised his inaction.
39:46
Speaker 2: And these protests will no doubt further bolster her prospects
39:49
Speaker 2: at the next election, just six months away.
39:53
Speaker 1: But France is falling. Europe is unravelling.
39:56
Speaker 2: There are signs this thuggery is catching on in Italy too,
40:00
Speaker 2: with Giorgia Maloney condemning two.
40:02
Speaker 1: Days' worth of violent clashes. She called them hooligans. I mean,
40:07
Speaker 1: this is an understatement.
40:08
Speaker 2: This savagery is on full display for the world to see.
40:12
Speaker 2: Western civilisation is in decline and it's only a matter
40:15
Speaker 2: of time before Australia follows suit. And joining me now
40:19
Speaker 2: for more is Spike's chief political writer, Brendan O'Neill.
40:23
Speaker 1: Brendan, thank you. Look, what do.
40:26
Speaker 2: You make of the riots we're seeing now spreading across Europe?
40:32
Speaker 10: I think what we're seeing in France is really deadly serious.
40:36
Speaker 10: I think more serious than a lot of people realise.
40:38
Speaker 10: People are calling them school protests or cost of living
40:42
Speaker 10: protests or protests spinning out of control. I actually think
40:45
Speaker 10: we're watching a society come apart at the seams. This
40:49
Speaker 10: is a real crisis of the entire French Republic. you're
40:52
Speaker 10: absolutely right to mention the fact that the Palestine flag
40:55
Speaker 10: has been flying almost everywhere in these riots, because these
40:59
Speaker 10: are anti-Western riots. And that's what the Palestine cause has
41:03
Speaker 10: come to represent. It has come to represent not only,
41:06
Speaker 10: of course, anti-Israel sentiment, but anti-Western sentiment, anti-civilisational sentiment. And
41:12
Speaker 10: I think what we're seeing in France is that if
41:13
Speaker 10: you throw your borders open to half the world, if
41:16
Speaker 10: you fail to assimilate the people who come to your country,
41:19
Speaker 10: If you teach your own young people to hate the
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Speaker 10: country in which they live and to feel ashamed of
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Speaker 10: their history, they are going to behave like this. They're
41:27
Speaker 10: going to tear down the society in which they live.
41:30
Speaker 10: So these are the wages of the kind of woke
41:32
Speaker 10: ideology that we've all been living under for the past
41:35
Speaker 10: few years. And I think Germany could be next and
41:37
Speaker 10: Britain could be after that.
41:41
Speaker 2: I mean, looking at the scenes and how political leaders
41:44
Speaker 2: are responding, what did you make of Emmanuel Macron's address?
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad he's taking it a bit more seriously
41:52
Speaker 10: than he has been previously, but I still think he's
41:55
Speaker 10: not getting to grips with the heart of what's going
41:57
Speaker 10: on here. He's talking about the far left, and the
41:59
Speaker 10: far left is involved in this. The far left has
42:02
Speaker 10: been stirring up the mob. The far left in France
42:05
Speaker 10: is very closely linked to Islamists. That's why the term
42:09
Speaker 10: Islamo-left comes from France, because Islamists and leftists have been
42:13
Speaker 10: working in concert for a long time now against French society.
42:17
Speaker 10: So He's right to talk about the far left, but
42:19
Speaker 10: it goes beyond that. It's about France's broken borders. It's
42:23
Speaker 10: loss of belief in itself. It's unwillingness to send home
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Speaker 10: illegal immigrants or to assimilate the people who move into France.
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Speaker 10: All of those things are indicted by this violence, and
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Speaker 10: Macron is unable to get to grips with that.
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Speaker 2: The police seem powerless as well to stop it. So
42:41
Speaker 2: many have been injured. I think it's either hundreds. There
42:44
Speaker 2: are some reports that it's more than 1,000 have been injured.
42:47
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think needs to be done here.
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Speaker 1: To just stop this?
42:52
Speaker 2: Because people are losing their entire livelihoods. Their stores are
42:56
Speaker 2: being destroyed. All of the products are looted, ransacked. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, it is lawlessness at a mass scale.
43:05
Speaker 10: You know, those clips that we've all seen of shop
43:10
Speaker 10: owners and business owners begging the rioters to leave their
43:13
Speaker 10: place of business alone. I mean, it's so distressing to
43:16
Speaker 10: see that. It's just such wanton destruction, such cruel destruction.
43:21
Speaker 10: And ordinary French people are fuming. Ordinary French people who
43:24
Speaker 10: live outside of Paris, who work for a living, the
43:28
Speaker 10: alarm clock French people who get up every morning and work,
43:31
Speaker 10: they are fuming about this. And their response, I think,
43:33
Speaker 10: will be very angry indeed. But I think the police
43:36
Speaker 10: need to get more real. Lots of people are talking
43:39
Speaker 10: about police violence or police brutality. That's not the truth
43:42
Speaker 10: of it. In fact, the police have run away from
43:45
Speaker 10: a lot of the conflict with these rioters. They have
43:47
Speaker 10: had a kid gloves approach to some of the rioters.
43:50
Speaker 10: They've let them just run riot. I think we need
43:53
Speaker 10: a much tougher clampdown. They might even have to send
43:56
Speaker 10: in the military at some point because a country cannot
43:58
Speaker 10: spin out of control like this. It is utterly unjust
44:01
Speaker 10: and unfair to law abiding French people.
44:05
Speaker 2: Just on another topic quickly before you go, Brendan, Irish
44:08
Speaker 2: author Sally Rooney, she's had her books pulled from UK shelves.
44:12
Speaker 2: She said she was going to use the earnings from
44:14
Speaker 2: her books to support a group called Palestine Action Group, which,
44:18
Speaker 2: as I understand it, is actually banned in the UK,
44:22
Speaker 2: deemed a terrorist organisation. But yet, you know, the left
44:26
Speaker 2: are furious that they can't buy her books in the UK.
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Speaker 10: There is no one smugger than Sally Rooney, I have
44:34
Speaker 10: to tell you this. The idea that she's a martyr
44:36
Speaker 10: to free speech is just ludicrous. Palestine Action is a
44:39
Speaker 10: really problematic organisation. It smashed up a Jewish business in London.
44:44
Speaker 10: It has invaded Israeli businesses and attacked people, assaulted people,
44:49
Speaker 10: including police officers. This is not a nice group. This
44:52
Speaker 10: is not a normal protest group. So the fact that
44:54
Speaker 10: she wants to give them money does not actually put
44:58
Speaker 10: her in a good light. And then there's the hypocrisy.
45:00
Speaker 10: So many Israeli authors and artists and dancers and musicians
45:04
Speaker 10: are banned effectively from the West under the BDS, the
45:08
Speaker 10: bigoted BDS system. And she supports that too. So free
45:12
Speaker 10: speech for her, but not free speech for Israeli Jews.
45:15
Speaker 10: That's really hypocritical.
45:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is indeed. Brendan O'Neill, always love having you
45:19
Speaker 2: on the program.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
45:21
Speaker 2: And after the break, we'll get an insight into who
45:24
Speaker 2: Trump's next press secretary could be after he endorsed today
45:28
Speaker 2: the Israeli PM.
45:29
Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back, Will.
45:34
Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary Katie Zachariah, as you know, stepped
45:38
Speaker 2: down after just five days into the role. The question
45:41
Speaker 2: now is who will replace her? And joining me to
45:45
Speaker 2: discuss Kosha Garda, News 24 contributor.
45:48
Speaker 1: Kosha, great to see you again.
45:50
Speaker 2: So who are the candidates, who are the leading candidates
45:53
Speaker 2: being put forward after this ever so short-lived stint by Katie?
46:00
Speaker 11: There are no confirmed reports yet. And it feels like
46:04
Speaker 11: just yesterday, I guess it was exactly this time last week, Shari,
46:07
Speaker 11: that she had been appointed. And we were talking about
46:09
Speaker 11: her rocky debut press briefing. And here we are. Some
46:12
Speaker 11: of the names that are out there in the rumor
46:15
Speaker 11: mill are the current deputy press secretary, who is sort
46:19
Speaker 11: of an establishment person. She did work. She was a
46:22
Speaker 11: deputy under Caroline Leavitt, as well as the five days
46:26
Speaker 11: of Katie Zachariah. And she was a spokesperson for the
46:29
Speaker 11: RNC before, so sort of tried and tested and has
46:33
Speaker 11: the credentials and the experience, though she's not a household
46:36
Speaker 11: name yet. The other name that keeps getting floated around
46:39
Speaker 11: is Scott Jennings, who's the lone conservative commentator on CNN
46:43
Speaker 11: and goes into the lion's den every day, does battle
46:47
Speaker 11: with them, defends Trump quite well, and Trump has spoken
46:49
Speaker 11: positively about him, so that's another name out there. With Trump,
46:53
Speaker 11: you never know. There could be a dark horse, somebody
46:55
Speaker 11: that's not even on the radar that pops up, but
46:57
Speaker 11: we will find out soon enough, I'm sure.
46:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, indeed.
46:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Scott Jennings has been terrific, at
47:02
Speaker 2: least in the clips that I've seen on the likes
47:05
Speaker 2: of CNN. Meanwhile, President Trump today made a last-minute endorsement
47:10
Speaker 2: of Benjamin Netanyahu to stay on as Israel's prime minister
47:13
Speaker 2: before the country heads to the polls next week. Kosha,
47:17
Speaker 2: tell us about what he said.
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Speaker 11: So this is classic Trump, I would say. He's a
47:23
Speaker 11: very transactional person and very superlative in the words and
47:26
Speaker 11: adjectives that he likes to use. So he held this
47:29
Speaker 11: very close to the election, which is just around the
47:32
Speaker 11: corner on the 27th. And then he came out with
47:34
Speaker 11: very effusive comments of how he's the best and he's
47:37
Speaker 11: a warrior. and there's nobody else like Bibi Netanyahu. And
47:40
Speaker 11: if they don't vote for him, then the U.S. is
47:43
Speaker 11: going to be left to go at it alone, which
47:45
Speaker 11: we're not inclined to do, that sort of thing. But
47:48
Speaker 11: I think it was calculated. These two men have a
47:52
Speaker 11: very pragmatic relationship. It's definitely— we know that there has been
47:56
Speaker 11: friction along the way, and there have been moments where
47:58
Speaker 11: they don't get along. But I think they do understand
48:00
Speaker 11: each other and generally seem to work well together. And
48:04
Speaker 11: that's why Trump prefers to have a partner that he
48:06
Speaker 11: understands and can predict a little bit. And that's why
48:09
Speaker 11: he held that endorsement and, of course, let it out
48:12
Speaker 11: in the final news cycle before the Israeli election.
48:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have had a really strong friendship and relationship
48:18
Speaker 2: and they've had some great successes together militarily.
48:22
Speaker 1: Of course, the Iran war as yet.
48:25
Speaker 2: Well, you couldn't say it's quite been a success as yet,
48:27
Speaker 2: but hopefully it will be. At least they have destroyed
48:30
Speaker 2: a lot of the nuclear sites. Before you go, Kosh,
48:33
Speaker 2: I want to turn to the latest with this Ilhan Omar,
48:37
Speaker 2: you know, this raid that happened last week, this immigration
48:41
Speaker 2: investigation into her.
48:43
Speaker 1: What can you tell us? What's the latest? Where's this
48:46
Speaker 1: up to?
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Speaker 11: You know, it does appear that she is in trouble
48:50
Speaker 11: and they're closing ranks on her. They've seized her phone.
48:53
Speaker 11: They've seized her passport. There are 11 subpoenas that have
48:56
Speaker 11: been issued to people in her immediate orbit, family and
48:59
Speaker 11: close friends. So they seem to be building a case
49:03
Speaker 11: that's going across multiple dimensions. And what it seems to be,
49:06
Speaker 11: this is not confirmed yet, is whether or not she
49:09
Speaker 11: actually is a U.S. citizen who properly naturalized, derivative of
49:13
Speaker 11: her father, who was a refugee. And the reporting out
49:16
Speaker 11: there is that it is possible that he actually never
49:19
Speaker 11: properly naturalized. which means she is not properly naturalized, which
49:22
Speaker 11: would mean she's an illegal serving in Congress. So I
49:25
Speaker 11: don't want to get ahead of myself. This is not
49:26
Speaker 11: yet confirmed. But if that is what the case is
49:29
Speaker 11: and that's what it appears to be building towards, that
49:32
Speaker 11: is going to be a massive, massive scandal. So I
49:34
Speaker 11: think all eyes are on this story and much more
49:37
Speaker 11: to come.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: All right, Koshia Garda, thank you so much for your time. And,
49:41
Speaker 2: of course, tomorrow night on the show we will have
49:44
Speaker 2: full information with the latest on the attack on Helen Haynes.
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray with the news now.