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Episode 84: Breaking Down the Kadavo Arc, Part 2: "Slaves of the Republic" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Shouldn't it be all things
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Kenobi. Hmm.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of most things Kenobi.
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A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi and all things.
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Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne, and I'm
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your host Lauren. And this is a sexy episode.
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Because we're talking about slaves of the Republic, which is
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the working title of the episode itself, but we also like to call
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it the Kink episode. Yeah, it really is.
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And I love it. I love this episode.
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It's got like, one of your. It's got one of your favorite
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moments and I'll clone wars in it.
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I think it really does. It really does and not only
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that, but as I look to my left, I have a print from Missouri art
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of Anakin in the zygerrian armor from this episode, and I am so
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happy. I have that.
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It's an amazing piece is because this damn episode.
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This is an addict in Lovers episode, he is strutting his
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stuff the entire time. This is the Anakin.
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I like, I cling to Because like, first of all, I think Hayden
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could have really worked this episode in live action.
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I think you would have done a marvelous job.
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Yeah, those eyes of his hmm. But also like, Matt Lanter does
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a fantastic job switching between like Anakin's
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manipulative, like play the role appease, the queen versus the
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simmering anger that he feels because this is all about the
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slaves of zygerria. Mmm.
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You know, and he's towing a line that just has to be terribly
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uncomfortable. Yeah, it's it's awful.
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What he sees to and has to maintain his undercover identity
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while watching a like a slave. Commit suicide right in front of
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him. Well it starts right off the bat
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the whole episode starts with like doesn't Ahsoka intervene
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with slave treatment in the streets as they're trying to get
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to the Palace which is so awful to like that whole sequence of
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them. Going through the streets of
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Nigeria to begin with there's twi'leks in little metal bikinis
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and yeah. Like on display like for sale.
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And there's yeah one that she rescues is, he's bugging them
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to. He says the chains are too
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heavy. That's awesome.
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There's a lot of all, you know, I speak lightly because Anakin's
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like I don't know just hot in this episode, but this is
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terrible episode. And in a whole terrible Arc of
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terribleness, I mean, what ends up happening to like, Obi-Wan
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and Rex is just awful and Ahsoka and the slave in.
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She throws herself off. Instead of being threatened, she
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was threatened with reprocessing.
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Mhm? Right.
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Because she tried to stab the queen and instead of that she
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chose death. Yeah, she'd rather die than go
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back to the processing facility. So twisted and fucked up.
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And it the thing is like this shit really exists in real life.
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Still there's human trafficking. They just discovered a human
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trafficking Den down in Texas. Like it's a real thing, it's
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still happening and they make interesting arguments in this
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episode this Arc in general because it's not just slavery is
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wrong. They're trying to show not in a
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positive way but there's Showing the slavers perspective of like,
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everyone is a Slave. Yes, it's like a hierarchy of I
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was going to say Humanity, but it's not Humanity because
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there's many species and not all humans.
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But still like they like zai Jian because I did a little bit
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of research on their culture and they believe that any sympathy
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is weakness even towards themselves and says fucked.
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Yeah, it's fucking crazy. So they they believe anybody who
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has any kind of compassion or sympathy is a weaker life-form,
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it's it It me of the Sith a bit. I don't know if it isn't this
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episode of the following one. The end one, where Queen Mirage
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is confronted with the fact that she's a slave to Dooku.
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Yeah, it's a next episode. Okay.
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Yeah. And that's what I like.
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Everyone's a slave to something. Yeah.
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Not in the sense that like, like the twi'leks were beaten and the
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and the to Gruden's who are put to work in horrible conditions,
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there is varying levels of it, but In this, in this Arc, it's
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very clear that no one's free. The Jedi are not free, which we
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find out, you know, throughout the entire clone wars and all of
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all of the gala Galactic everything.
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So I don't know how to sum that up, but, you know, no one's
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everyone answers to somebody, why I love fashion.
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I really enjoyed that moment. It's basically the end of the
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episode, when Mirage, the queen mirages saying that the Jedi
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Slaves that they've dedicated their lives to serving a corrupt
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Senate. And the cinematography has her
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like she's talking and extending her hand, and it looks like
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Obi-Wan is in her hand while she's saying that and oh yeah
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it's just so that's good thing because she's right.
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She is that sucks. Yeah, that's why I think it's a
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really interesting episode. There's no argument that slavery
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is horrific and wrong but she's pointing Out the hypocrisy of
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the Jedi as well to like they pick and choose.
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Like we said last time they let the Hutt's do, whatever the fuck
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they want but they want to come and SmackDown.
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The zygerrians, it's just an interesting episode where no one
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has a good time. No no, no.
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Except maybe the queen she seems to be enjoying herself the
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entire time. Well, who wouldn't with Anakin
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on her arm whispering? Things.
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The Elton John Bird, Giggles. I know I repeat this over and
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over but I will not sleep. Until I know what he whispers to
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her. I can't.
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Well, we figured out in the in the last episode we learned that
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those birds understand basic like like The Language basic.
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So that bird knows exactly what he said that I know in my head,
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Canon what he says and I cannot repeat it here.
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Simply because my mother listens and so does mine.
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Yeah, that's true. We have a good-hearted.
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People listening. Don't need to hear this.
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Go find the fanfiction if you want to know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So no one has a good time.
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No. Including Ahsoka, who is
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dressed? Scant.
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I don't even know. Yeah.
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I mean, I love the colors of her outfit.
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I love the colors of everyone's everything inside Syria.
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Yeah, I love the mesas. I love the palace, I love
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mirages dress. So I did some research and what
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it's all based on. Oh, tell me it's Babylonian.
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That would make sense that would make sense.
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Yeah. Yes.
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Even the shape of their ziggurat and their their architecture is
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exactly the shape of well imagery iconography of Babylon
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so I love that. That's pretty cool.
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Wasn't the Tower of Babel built by slaves isn't there?
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Oh I'm pretty sure. I mean it was a big deal back
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then. Yeah pyramids and the whole
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thing all of everything on this the the backs of slaves, true.
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True like Egyptian pyramids were built with Yeah, it's pretty
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interesting or they were built by aliens.
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I'm still torn. That could be well, the aliens
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had had the the like, architectural plans but they.
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Yeah, and they gave them. Hey listen.
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I'm not I'm not ruling it out in this house.
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We've discussed it many times. Yes yes I know.
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But yeah Babylon. I can see it Babylon was you
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know, not Not that I've been there or seen it don't have gone
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back in time but Babylon seems like it was beautiful and they
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copied it pretty nicely in the Clone Wars.
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Yeah. Despite like the filth and
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ugliness of what lurks beneath he will.
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It's so common though like the facade is a misrepresentation of
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what's really going on underneath a culture.
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So that was yeah, beautifully beautifully done, horriffic.
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Yeah, beautiful. So, the scene probably my one of
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my favorites. In all in all of Clone Wars, is
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when Anakin does the nod that Luke originally does in Return
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of the Jedi, the finger salute thing.
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And I guess they modeled that entire scene after Return of the
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Jedi, everyone's in the place of at least one character from
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Return of the Jedi mmm-hmm, Wikipedia actually says,
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Obi-Wan, is in Hans play Rex is in Lando's, Anakin is in Luke's.
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The Queen Is in Javas and Ahsoka is in Leia's.
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And our tune is in his usual is R2.
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R2 is our to doing are two things.
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It makes sense. The total I totally see that.
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It does not go as well as return to the gym.
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No, no. But I do love the nod.
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The literal and figurative law nod that occurs.
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Yeah, and why? Okay, for every punch, That
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Obi-Wan Kenobi. Takes to his beautiful face.
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Why is it equal to the amount of times that Anakin is
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electrocuted? It's Turkish in this scene, like
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Obi-Wan has probably the worst and like most defeating beating
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say that 10 times fast and all of pretty much anything except
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maybe what happens in the Kenobi series.
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Followed by Anakin getting electrocuted by like six whips
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at one time but it takes like six with To take his ass down.
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That's a lot of fucking with, he's really mad even as a metal
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arm which I love, but like, that would make it hurt more, right?
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I was surprised like how did it not short out and stopped
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working after that? I don't, I don't know.
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How did he not short out and stop working long?
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One, like the queen is like super turned-on, she's just
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like, whoa, such determination. It's not just the queen.
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Everyone take a cold shower. Okay, I might have to after this
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recording. I have a shower today for a
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reason you're waiting till after your home.
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I don't know. I really loved that scene.
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Although God the price that comes from all of that.
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It's terrible. Everyone gets fucked up in this
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scene. Like Obi one gets electrocuted
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into unconsciousness Rex right away.
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It goes down, instantly. He might have been the smartest
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one out of the group. He's like, you know what, I'm
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gonna just lay down he's like I know where this is going.
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I'm not even not going to do to these two.
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Yeah, that's just gonna lay it out.
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Well, it's so sad because like Obi-Wan tries his best, but
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doesn't he fight with his handcuffs on?
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Okay, that's the, that's the thing.
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I noticed there's a lot of inconsistencies in his
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animation. I think we've talked about this.
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Yeah, shot to shot. It changes that he has a shot
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caller. It comes and goes.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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It's just it's weird that it's so inconsistent.
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I never thought for Clone Wars they're usually pretty good at
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this. Yeah.
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So it makes me wonder if there were like alternate versions or
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like I gotta believe there were because you don't just it's an
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animation, right? It's a drawing, right of some
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kind. So there had to have been to
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different drawings and then they sliced them.
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He's a way that That would be my only, like, unless they had
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different people, which, of course, it's a huge team of
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people working on it, but you would have thought somebody
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along the way would have been like, hey this is super
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inconsistent, whatever they did. The decided this was the best
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option of editing all the stuff together.
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So who knows what were missing out of that sequence but he has
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it on at the end. Good.
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It's oh my God, it's excellent. Yeah he has it on at the end
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it's gross like a shock collar on.
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Human. I know and Ahsoka has wanted to.
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It's so fucked up. You know?
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It's funny as it's not funny at all but I wrote, you know, my my
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Marvel fanfic. I wrote the character with an
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actual shock collar on, so I took inspiration from this.
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Well, whoops, what the research I was doing about, say Julian's,
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they don't favor weapons that kill they favored weapons that
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incapacitate so that they can Take you and enslave you way
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more fun for them. Yeah so that's why they've got
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the whips. The Blasters that don't
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necessarily shoot-to-kill. They've got shock collars, the
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little prongs. I don't know.
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The little who makes this stuff. I don't.
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Did they make this stuff? That's the thing that's kind of
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interesting about them. Is there a weird mix of like
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ancient technology, quote-unquote technology, like
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ancient culture mixed with future?
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Stick culture, current culture, whatever you want to say with,
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within the Star Wars Universe, they're really proud of their
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Heritage and their ancient like hierarchy that they follow its
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there. An interesting culture for sure.
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And I guess they extended Beyond Clone Wars they survived her
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prime minister became a Time o like became king and even his
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son became king and was like alive during the Empire had to
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send you a Lauren to quell an uprising is that, oh, this
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hurts, I never everything with the Empire hurts.
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When you hear these familiar names and faces that you grow to
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love. And then I just turn especially
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you Lauren because he was there all through Clone Wars.
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Yeah, I know it's what my question is.
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It goes back to the Jedi and the Republic inner feared here, but
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not with the Huts. Mmm did they interfere with
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this? Because the separatist got
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involved was that the Catalyst or were they really trying to
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right? The wrongs here and the
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separatist just happened to be there because that it to me this
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whole Arc it rubs me the wrong way in the fact that it seems
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like because Dooku and his crew, his crew got involved.
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Well, they had to rush in and it's because of the slavery, but
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really, it was a powerful Dominion that was now on the His
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side. Yeah, I had the same question
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because they got involved originally because the to Groot
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ins on keros, right? They reached out to Yoda but
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Anakin ultimately and we're jumping ahead to the next
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episode of little bit but Anakin ask the queen.
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Where is Obi-Wan, that's how he finds out.
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He's on kadavo. And then they said, yeah, all
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these ships to kadavo to rescue. Obi-Wan, yeah, right, they
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happen to find the other two groupings there as well.
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It's like, why were they getting involved?
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What's the Catalyst there? There's obviously a lot of money
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involved in xij area the zygerrian slave trade, whatever,
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so it's no wonder that Dooku got involved.
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You know, the more the merrier and if they're taking innocence
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like the togruta pne's and turning them into slaves, that's
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just more bodies that they can use and keep them on their side
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and everything. So the all of that makes sense.
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It just seems like kind of an afterthought that that the
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Republic stepped in. All right, obviously they're
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going to go help, you know a colony that goes missing or
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calls for a or whatever. But damn it just feels like
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they're one step behind and it was like too late too little too
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late. Yeah.
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And that I don't know. All right, some of the other
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stuff I was I was listening to was saying it was a natural step
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for the Empire. Of course, the Sith are like,
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Yoda says the Sith use slavery to Empire but it's logistically
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makes more sense as well. Because instead of the
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separatist taking prisoners and having to house them and feed
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them and store them in a prison facility, they hand them off to
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xij syrians who then sell them for a profit and then the Empire
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actually taxed the zygerrians for their profit.
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So they were just making money hand over fist.
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Both of Of them on this system and it's pretty fucked up.
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What you, you see it in and, or I was just gonna say that, just
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gonna thank you, please. I was just going to say, you
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could compare it to and or huh. It's true.
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It is. If you got slaves and you put
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them to work, they can do anything you want.
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Make make, make whatever you need Palpatine, obviously had a
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plan. Yeah, and it was in his best
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interest to try and secure. But Palpatine also makes very
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much sense to send Anakin to a slaving to grow the anger,
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within him about how little the Jedi are doing how little the
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Republic is doing. I mean Palpatine was fucking
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brilliant that this was such a very brilliant.
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That's such a good point. You're so right.
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No, Anakin into the middle of a slave thing and have all of his
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friends get hurt and have a queen in his ear telling him.
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Um, look at the Jedi are the same thing is all of the slaves
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here, of course. He's gonna fucking believe it
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because he already kind of believes it.
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Yeah. Oh Palpatine was all over this
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dude. Keep can we just talk for a
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minute? I'm getting Wheezy.
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I still can't believe. They actually whipped everyone
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in a cell that was set. Scene, is insane.
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Also that he got shot. That's Like uh, no heard of
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totally and I can't help but think of the Kenobi series now
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and why he hesitated to help you know, the guy who needed food or
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didn't have food, or someone took his, remember at the very
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beginning, one of the first scenes, and he wanted to help
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you and did a fantastic job of showing that like in his eyes.
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Yes, yes, yes. Yes.
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At the fish-cutting place, right?
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Yes, yes. And all of that, all of that
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Harkens back. Us back to him being enslaved in
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this Arc. Yeah, yes.
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Oh my God. You're so right.
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It's the I thought of the exact same thing watching the Kenobi
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series. I was thinking of kadavo the
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whole time at the beginning of the shit's crazy up which I love
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that there's a connection there because he had to have thought,
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like I've been here once before and no good came from it.
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So, he just holds his tongue. Let's It Go.
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Yeah, yeah, he's got to protect Luke.
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He can't do what he used to do, right?
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We ones whole sequence in this episode is just awful.
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It's awful. It's for everybody and something
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I kept noticing everyone was so off on the wrong like off
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footed, you know, like in a situation like that, he would
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crack a joke. Sure it wasn't even speaking.
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Like he couldn't even talk and Ahsoka.
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The same thing. She says something else nippy at
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the end. She pays for it.
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Yeah she does. So it's fucked up.
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That's really fucked up. They that guy just keeps Like
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electrocuting her until the scene turns off.
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Like you don't even know how long it goes on.
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It's horrific and I think that's why this Arc is so interesting
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because it's got all the characters off footed.
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Like no one is unsecured ground. No one is able to do what they
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normally would do and everything is so unpredictable.
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Yeah. And so when the characters can't
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give us that reassurance of this snippy remark.
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It's kind of like, are people gonna die?
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It's something really horrible. I'll gonna happen.
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Yes. The answer is, yes.
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Yeah, and it's like, we know, obviously, we know Anakin
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survives an OB one survives and we assumed they were gonna kill
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a so good Rex. But like the minute he lands on
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kadavo, that prison Warden. Literally just killed seven
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people right in front of Obi-Wan and says like this is for you
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don't fuck around. Yeah.
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I the mental The mental strength, you'd have to have
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just to get through that, let alone, everything else that
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Obi-Wan has to get through in his sad life.
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Hashtag poor ob1, hashtag poor open.
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One is right. Oh God, you'd have to have the
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force because there is nothing else that can help you.
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Yeah, I mean, when they is this in the next episode where they
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drop the floor panels and the they just drop know, that's real
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Gruden's, just drop. That's like the The last scene
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almost of this episode. Okay, yeah that's terrible.
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It's awful just standing there and Obi-Wan's hands aren't bound
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or anything. They have a shock collar on him
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but he's not secured. They're just very confident that
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they can keep him under control by harming other people.
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Which is so insane to me that this is a kid show, is it?
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Yeah, not so much. It's Really smart.
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It's really interesting. The only way to control a Jedi
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is to use other people's pain against them.
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Yeah, that's really. We see it.
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We see that a lot. Hmm.
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We see that a lot of times to control a Jedi, yeah, which is,
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that's just fucked up to use. Someone's kindness and
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generosity and sympathy against them.
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It has to cut deep. I don't know how these
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characters. Actors, just move on to the next
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mission. They don't ever address it over
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again, and it makes hang on it. Hang on, they don't Obi-Wan goes
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on to live in the desert by himself hating everything and it
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can literally turns into a dictator Ahsoka turns into a
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Hermit on like, okay. They don't get through
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unscathed, they don't. But then never, Talk about it
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again. Well, that's what we said in the
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last episode. Some talking about things would
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have really helped, right? Well, even if should have had a
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therapist in the temple for. So how did it go?
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I can't tell and then like they all just break down like it's so
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accurate. Oh my God, just start stabbing.
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Although I think I'll be, what would you like?
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Never show emotion, ever. So did we decide what Ark came
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before? This one, was it the Rara Arc.
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Oh right before this one. Yeah, I think it might have been
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talked about. Traumatizing poor fucking Rex.
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Yeah. So let's let's just compare for
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instance the shit that happened right before this Mission.
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I mean we're in season 4 at this point.
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Correct. And we're getting to the point
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where they're overloading Anakin's patients with the Jedi
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and the Republic and stuff and it's coming up.
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Ahsoka's Arc is coming, you know, the wrong Jedi in that.
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Yeah, I just say shanaar call so where Obi-Wan fakes his death is
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the next totally. So we have three massive.
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We need therapy arcs like in a row well, and then mall comes
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back at the end of the season. It's insane.
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Right? Like this is season 4 is
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fantastic. Has some of the best arcs out of
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the Clone Wars. And all three of these are
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really, really intense, are ya? Even if they're all in A row,
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even Rex needs therapy to. Yeah, Rex.
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Okay. So granted Anakin wasn't really
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around for them bark. But like, you would think,
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wouldn't Rex say something, did anyone sit?
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We're getting into totally different Arc but I'm sorry, a
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fun pong Krell. We should do it.
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We should do it in Barra Arc because there's a lot great.
25:54
It'll be 40 minutes of me saying the fuck pong crap and For you
25:59
Kenobi wolf. I know you're out there,
26:01
listening. Fuck pong.
26:03
Krell the back to Jack Siberia. Yeah, there's arctangent for the
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day. Uh, sorry.
26:15
It's just the point I was trying to make it.
26:17
There's a lot of shit that goes on and it's all piled up.
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I mean, we don't really know the time between each of these
26:24
things. If they get two weeks off or two
26:26
days off, no one knows, but it's not.
26:29
Good. It's not good.
26:31
It's not enough time to process that trauma.
26:33
That's for fucking sure. And a soak is just chilling.
26:36
In a cage, hanging above whatever and she just and it
26:42
can't doesn't even say, are you, okay.
26:44
He said I know had a nice view grades.
26:47
This is again, the next episode. It's just like dear Lord.
26:51
They all just finish the the ark and they're smiling patting each
26:55
other on the back and they just move on with their lives.
26:58
Like they weren't just in Prisons for, who knows, how long
27:03
it's true. You know, the whole thing about
27:06
how people laugh at funerals. It's inappropriate.
27:09
But some people do because, like, the trauma of it all is
27:12
just too much. Yeah, I do wonder if the
27:15
cracking of the jokes granted. It's a show and they got to keep
27:18
it light and between all the slaves dying.
27:20
But right, I do wonder if they're just coping in the only
27:24
way that they are allowed to. Yeah.
27:26
You know, right. They're not supposed to have
27:28
emotions. It's right?
27:29
Yeah, they're not supposed to show affection.
27:31
So I guess asking if a soak is okay, ever is just not okay,
27:36
she's a fucking child. Yeah, this is a little child
27:41
even if she would have she say to Anakin and the throne hands
27:45
off me bringing what does she think a brigand?
27:51
I love it and she's like did it work for their eyes like oh God
27:55
that's too much. It's like I just love that maybe
27:59
just Leave the talking to Anakin?
28:01
Yeah, I do love that line though.
28:05
Oh my God, it's so funny. She's so awkward.
28:07
It's amazing. It will that makes you think
28:10
like, look at how natural and can is compared to his Padawan
28:13
and then the situation like holy cow?
28:17
Well, maybe her breast jewelry was making it difficult for her
28:21
to Act Naturally. Sorry, I have like serious
28:29
problems with how they dress this child for a slave auction?
28:33
Yeah, I mean it worked in the grand scheme of thing as a queen
28:38
wanted to buy her. So congratulation why didn't why
28:42
didn't anyone put together that she was a togruta now?
28:47
And they already went and got a bunch of togruta pne's, like it
28:49
should have been like, hey, where'd you get this one?
28:53
You know, also, why didn't anybody be like, hey, why are
28:56
there humans wearing such eurion armor that's weird and who the
29:00
hell was Bruno denturri? Didn't re I was this, I never
29:04
got an explanation wrote this question down because they say
29:07
it like we should know and I don't know who the fuck that guy
29:10
is apparently he was a important, did he even exists?
29:14
He's from the comic book. Oh okay.
29:18
Okay, so at least he's somewhere.
29:19
Yeah, like that's our sense there but they just completely
29:22
left it out of the show but then said his name like it was a big
29:26
fucking deal. All right.
29:27
Yeah I don't know, maybe they cut a scene, maybe they just
29:32
never thought it was necessary. I don't know.
29:34
But even the first time I watched it, I was confused.
29:36
I was like, who are they talking about?
29:38
It's true that, you know, we don't know what they recorded
29:41
and then cut. So maybe it didn't work.
29:44
But I mean obviously it's Implied, that he's someone of
29:48
importance enough to sway the queen and Anakin's favor, which
29:53
is her intense, hatred of him. I love her sharp little teeth
29:57
when she says that she's just like, it's that feline.
30:02
Yeah, nature, you know, I heard that filoni changed the design
30:08
of them because they're, I guess a character from Legends and
30:10
they were much more, like, yeah. Cliche alien from the 1970s.
30:16
And he wanted them to look like coyotes because they were
30:19
tricksters. I like that.
30:21
Yeah, I thought that was interesting and they do like
30:24
that isn't see some because coyotes are kind of like Wolfie
30:28
dogs. Foxes all Blended together and
30:30
foxes are like kind of feline in a sense.
30:34
They're just their design is so interesting and the queen is
30:37
different, I guess the females have horns on their head whereas
30:42
okay the males have horns along their jaws and if you look Their
30:46
ears that are the exact same shape as coyote years.
30:50
Yeah. Yeah.
30:51
It's kind of interesting. The better to hear you with my
30:53
dear as she holds her martini glass.
31:00
Seriously. Oh my God I loved it.
31:03
This bitch drinks from a martini glass honestly the queen is so
31:07
beautifully performed. Everything about her.
31:09
So interesting, the actress did a good job.
31:12
I love her design that she's like, not a slutty Queen.
31:15
She's wearing like Neha. Boots and I got drinking
31:18
martinis. Yeah, right there.
31:23
That's the wave of the hands like that's it.
31:26
Be gone enough. Like she's always waving those
31:28
Nails. Bitch got a good pedicure
31:31
manicure manicure manicure pedicure are they are?
31:34
They pause? Are they hands?
31:36
I don't know, I don't know. But those Nails be done and I
31:39
love them. When I love Anakin ask her a
31:43
question and she just doesn't answer it.
31:46
It's just no. She's too.
31:49
She's too much of a boss to. Like I'll answer it later or not
31:53
at all, or if I'm feeling it. Yeah, I know.
31:56
She's so, she's smart. And she's really changeable.
31:59
You're never sure if she's going to laugh and be Charmed or like
32:02
her, tempers gonna flare up. Yeah, I found it interesting
32:06
that all this shit happens and down in the pit and the Anakin
32:11
with the the electrocutions and stuff and she didn't immediately
32:15
Lee just write them off. She just kept him as her
32:18
personal bodyguard. Hmm, I would not have expected
32:22
that's that's because of whatever he whispered in her
32:25
ear. She wasn't gonna let that go.
32:27
But any other person had it been poor Obi-Wan should have been
32:30
like to the pit, you know. But for some reason she gave
32:35
Anakin a chair and like another chance and that is so stupid.
32:39
It truly, I wrote that because she's in the notes, I was taking
32:43
their like weirdly romantic. Take at the end, you know,
32:47
writing that How to Train Your Dragon dragon.
32:50
Yeah, I love those things I do. I really do.
32:52
I think they're cute, they're amazing.
32:54
But they have the, the shame, the same shape, they do faces
32:57
that How to Train Your Dragon, which is adorable, which makes
33:01
sense. It's all coming from the same,
33:03
lucasfilm animation, whatever. But she's like, holding onto him
33:10
romantically, and like offers when she says, like, if I
33:14
offered to free, your friends, would you?
33:15
Stay. She's got this tone of voice
33:18
that's very romantic and seductive and I don't know.
33:22
Yeah, it's a weird hasn't been laid in a really long time.
33:26
That's what this is. She's barking up the wrong tree.
33:33
This man is married and no one knows it.
33:35
So you chose poorly and if I was pad, may be so angry because he
33:39
gives her a lot of shit about the Clovis thing.
33:44
Why nobody goes in. Seduces a fucking Queen like
33:47
shut up asshole. It's all for the same thing.
33:51
They're all like posing to get a job done.
33:54
To get information. Padme was doing the exact same
33:57
thing, but the difference was she may or may not have had some
34:00
kind of relationship in the past with Clovis before.
34:03
She knew fucking Anakin. Yeah, he got all crazy jealous
34:06
about it and saying, it's insane.
34:07
Yeah, he needs therapy therapy. All together now therapy.
34:21
Well, I've always felt that the deal.
34:23
The queen offers him is not gonna stick, even if he said yes
34:28
to it. It's know naive of her to think
34:31
it would work. Well, it's naive of him to think
34:34
that she wouldn't change the terms of the, of the agreement
34:38
sometimes. These kind of people like this
34:41
queen are They're Timeless like, whatever they want.
34:45
They want it right now and if they want to change it later,
34:48
they absolutely will. And be like, well, that was
34:50
before and this is now. Yeah, right now I feel
34:53
differently and so you just can't trust anyone who
34:58
propositions you in a position like that, you know what I mean?
35:01
A hundred and he was right, not to trust her and she was crazy
35:05
to think it would work. But hey, she shot her shot.
35:09
Yeah, it's it. But and she did it alone.
35:11
She did it completely alone. Own isolated with him, where no
35:14
one else could hear mmm found that interesting.
35:18
I mean, yeah, I did too. It was, it's just an agreement
35:22
between them, a testament to her power.
35:25
Well, there was no Witnesses for either of them, had one of them,
35:28
said, yes or no or had Anakin agreed, she would, and she
35:34
wanted to change the terms. She could have just said, well,
35:36
there's no Witnesses. So that's true.
35:38
Never happened, really true. It's it's so Only because she
35:44
changes her tune, right? So the wild there on the dragon
35:47
she says that he's committed himself to the Jedi and as a
35:50
slave. And he says, I don't see
35:52
commitment as slavery and she says, oh, it is when it comes at
35:56
the cost of yourself and that she offers him this deal.
36:01
If you promise to serve me, I'll release your friends that's
36:05
coming at the cost of himself like he doesn't.
36:07
Yes want anything. I just thought it was
36:11
interesting. She doesn't care about About the
36:13
hypocrisy of it. She's just no cuz it's
36:16
benefiting her. Yeah, exactly.
36:19
I thought that was a Bad Bet. Red flag.
36:21
Red flag. Yeah, don't trust the bitch.
36:24
I even wrote to I see if my notes Here Leanne him Anakin
36:27
gets electrocuted again. Exclamation point.
36:30
Yeah, well I mean it just keeps happening.
36:33
It happens in so many episodes in the Clone Wars funny.
36:37
It just it happens as many times as it happens.
36:43
People punching, I'll be ones face like gripping his face.
36:46
Slapping, his face, punching his face, the little dangly hair.
36:50
Yeah. You know the whole thing that
36:52
scene where in the cell when a tie comes in and recognizes ob1
36:58
and pulls his head, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
37:01
that's fucking nuts dude. But he also looks like semi
37:05
terrified but also like really angry.
37:08
His face is like shaking which may be mine would be to of some
37:13
It was grabbing it that hard, but truth truth.
37:17
But like you said, again, grabbing him by the face.
37:20
So crazy is the go to. It is a beautiful and chiseled
37:25
face, right? Be one has heart but can we can
37:28
we handle it with some care. It ages pretty well though,
37:32
despite the it really does. I mean, holy shit.
37:35
You're not wrong. You are absolutely not wrong
37:38
great. If this was real life, he'd be
37:40
dead long ago goes. That's true.
37:42
You can Hit in the face one time and you get, put the emergency
37:45
room in real life. What he had, but he has the
37:48
force. It's true.
37:49
It's like a safety bubble all around him.
37:52
He can endure much more for much longer, but it still hurts in
37:56
the end. You still human poor Obi-Wan
38:00
hashtag poor Obi-Wan. Cue the music.
38:16
Okay, our question for our audience this week, which
38:19
character do you think has the worst time in this episode?
38:22
I know it's hard to pick but yeah, if you could narrow it
38:27
down, who's having the worst day.
38:30
All right, next week, we are going to wrap up this three
38:32
episode Arc. With escape from kadavo which is
38:36
the third of the three episodes and if shit didn't get real,
38:41
before this shit gets real now in that episode so it's true.
38:46
You come on back for the grand finale, don't think it could get
38:50
worse, it gets worse and then it does.
38:55
Last week, we asked our listeners.
38:56
What was their favorite part of the episode kidnapped,
39:00
basically, just over one getting punched in the face the whole
39:02
time and Anakin and Ahsoka. Defusing bombs, what was your
39:05
favorite part and be brahmand on Instagram sent me this comment.
39:12
He said his favorite. Part was when Obi-Wan deceived
39:14
the zai Jian into thinking, he was going to win The Battle
39:17
Before showing him up. It reminds me of this quote by
39:20
Sun, Tzu. All Warfare.
39:22
Is based on Deception. Oh, I like that.
39:26
Yes, yeah. It's interesting.
39:28
It's true because it's not just about power or strength,
39:32
sometimes it's about using your Mind to outwit your enemy.
39:35
So that was I would definitely say that was what Obi-Wan was
39:38
going for. Oh yeah. 6s.
39:43
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39:50
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