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Heart-Shaped Sunglasses and Horsepower: The Rise of Elizabeth Blackstock · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  BreakFix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
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  all over the autosphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrolheads that wonder How did they
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  get that job or become that person?
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  The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  We all have passions, desires, and interests that keep us moving
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  and help us get through the monotony of a day to day life.
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  If you're lucky, you may be able to combine your passions and turn
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  them into a successful career.
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  Our guest has taken her lifelong passion for racing and found a way to combine
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  it with her love for the written word.
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  You've probably seen our guests roaming around a paddock near you wearing her
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  signature heart shaped sunglasses and emotional support, Trans Am crop top.
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  Joining us tonight is writer, editor, journalist, podcaster, and
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  novelist, Elizabeth Blackstock.
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  So welcome to break fix.
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  Transcribed Hi guys.
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  It's so good to be here.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  I'm excited.
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  It's going to be good.
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  Absolutely.
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  So like all good break fix stories, there's always a superhero origin.
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  So tell us the who, what, where, when, and why of your petrolhead story.
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  Oh, so I grew up in Michigan.
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  My dad was a mechanical engineer.
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  My whole family, they worked for GM.
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  So I was in with the auto industry pretty young.
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  My dad had a lot of
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  and an eighties Mustangs.
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  I grew up sitting in rims that were in the basement and just hanging out.
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  We also watched NASCAR on Sundays.
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  So with all of that kind of combined, it was destiny.
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  I think I was just born and raised into it.
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  I did get out of the whole car thing and racing for a little while.
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  While I was a teenager, cause it wasn't cool to like what your parents liked.
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  So I pushed myself away from that, got really into music and then.
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  I saw Rush and I was like, okay.
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  Yeah.
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  This racing thing is really cool.
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  I'm gonna get more into that.
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  Your family all worked at gm?
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  Yeah.
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  You had a Barracuda and a Mustang.
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  How does that add up?
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  So, my dad, , my dad was not for gm.
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  My dad was the one in the cars and my mom's side of the
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  family, it was GM workers.
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  So there was always a big rivalry of like, which was the best, which, Mm-Hmm.
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  . Mm-Hmm.
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  . Yeah.
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  So I grew, I grew up with that whole situation going on.
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  So were there Corvettes on your wall as a kid?
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  I mean, what was the poster up there?
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  My dad actually, he used to hand draw his own pictures and stuff.
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  So we had a ton of his art and I still remember he had like a 68 Corvette.
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  That was like his dream car, dark blue with a white racing stripe.
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  That was his jam.
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  So that was kind of what we had.
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  Otherwise we didn't really hang anything else up on the walls.
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  It was just like what my dad made.
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  Did he ever see that dream realized?
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  He did not.
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  No, unfortunately, like it was.
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  It was just a gorgeous car and that's a lot of money to restore it.
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  So you did not have those kinds of funds.
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  So would you say that's the sexiest car of all time?
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  Yeah, I don't think that's a stretch.
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  Motivated by a car family, you found yourself in the car world,
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  interested in racing at an early age.
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  There's even pictures on your website of you in a Ford racing
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  suit and things like that.
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  So.
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  You definitely come by it honestly, but you know, there's a progression there.
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  How do you go from the kid in the stands watching these races to
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  becoming an automotive journalist?
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  So take us on that part of your journey as well.
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  When I was growing up, cars were like one part of my personality
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  and writing was the other part.
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  I used to like bring my parents to school.
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  And I would force them to read until they could not physically speak anymore.
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  At which point they were like, we should probably teach
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  you how to do this yourself.
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  So I learned to read when I was pretty young and I learned to write at the same
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  time and I was always making stories up and it didn't actually come until
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  well into my adulthood that I realized.
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  I could write about cars and racing.
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  I had no clue.
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  I grew up reading road and track and car and driver, but I just didn't make
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  that connection in my head that that was something that was possible for me.
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  It just kind of happened.
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  Um, I was at the university of Texas for my undergrad degree in English
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  literature and creative writing.
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  And I was just inspired to write about what it was like to be a woman at
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  the racetrack, as opposed to a man.
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  And I posted that on my own blog and it kind of got traction.
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  A lot of people picked it up and it was actually grabbed by Jalopnik way
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  back in the day before I even worked there, like, Hey, can we repost
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  this and give you all the credit?
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  So it went really well.
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  There were a lot of people who were like, this is interesting.
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  And I was like, maybe.
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  This is the thing I could do for my career.
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  Like maybe I could actually do this out of that story that I wrote.
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  I wrote a couple more Red Bull America's found.
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  A lot of women was like, Hey, we want you to freelance for us.
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  I had no idea what I was doing at the time.
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  I was just kind of getting my feet wet.
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  And then Jalopnik reached out and asked if I wanted to be a weekend writer.
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  So I started out just Saturdays only.
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  It just kind of progressed.
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  I really like what I do.
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  So I do it a lot.
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  People seem to appreciate that.
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  You grew up in the upper Midwest, right?
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  With that Motown vibe, there's a certain car culture in that area of the world.
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  Then you find yourself in Austin, which is a completely different car culture.
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  You're in the deep South at that point or the Republic of Texas, really.
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  And then you're postgraduate work was at Arcadia, which is outside of Philadelphia.
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  And now you're in the Sunoco VP racing fuels area.
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  So three different distinct car cultures there.
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  So where did you find yourself aligning?
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  And did you then get exposed to different disciplines of
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  motorsport at the same time?
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  Yes.
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  All of that was big.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, I still find myself drawn to muscle cars from what I grew up with.
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  That was like my family's thing.
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  And when I still like look at a car, that's kind of like the look I'm
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  going for and the feel I'm going for.
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  I love the electric future.
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  I think that's great.
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  Also, I want a car that makes a lot of noise and I want to be able to feel it
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  in my teeth when I started, that was kind of where I stuck with, but as I
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  got older, obviously traveling, living, existing in various places around the
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  country, it was starting to realize like this looks so different everywhere else.
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  Like you come down to Texas and I still.
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  Like there's no rust on the cars, which completely changes how people
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  respond to the auto industry.
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  And like the classic car industry, cause you've got a
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  lot of pretty perfect vehicles.
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  Like my husband and I bought a 1996 Suburban, no rust on it at all.
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  And that's because it started out in the North and then made its way
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  down South for the rest of his life.
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  The paint is not great, but that's a different story.
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  In Texas, there's a lot of the low riders is, you know, you get a lot of stuff
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  coming across the border, which is always fun, especially now that I live down in
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  the South part of South of San Antonio can kind of see like the rebadged cars,
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  like the Ford F 150, that's the Ford Lobo.
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  Those are always my favorite to spot.
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  And then when I was up in Pennsylvania, I was so close to so much.
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  Racing.
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  So I went to my first short track races.
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  My first dirt track races went out to different rally events.
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  Like I just wanted to kind of see what existed out there.
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  I feel like it's kind of helped.
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  I still love open wheel racing and I still have my muscle cars.
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  Those are my passions.
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  But having seen where everyone else is coming from, like I get it.
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  You know, I appreciate it a little bit more than I probably would have if I had
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  never had experience with those things.
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  Open wheel.
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  Are we talking IndyCar or Formula One?
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  IndyCar.
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  IndyCar.
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  IndyCar is my number one.
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  Formula One is number two, but IndyCar is always where it's going to be for me.
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  Talk us through, like, all the other things you're working on.
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  I mean, Managing Editor at A Girl's Guide to Cars, Contributor at Capital One Autos.
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  I mean, the list on your website goes on and on and on.
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  You're a very busy woman.
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  Yes.
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  Where do you find the time?
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  Oh, I don't.
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  That's the problem.
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  Not Tuesday evenings.
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  Yeah, no, not Tuesday night.
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  I started out at Jalopnik.
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  That was kind of where I got my feet.
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  I went from weekends to full time.
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  And then in 2020, I was just not happy with how that was going because it was
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  also in grad school full time and I was getting two degrees, so I was writing.
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  Two graduate theses while also working full time, trying to have
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  a life and exist as a human being.
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  So I stepped back, went to freelance exclusively for most of 2020.
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  It's kind of a mistake.
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  No one knew the pandemic was happening when I stepped
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  back from my full time role.
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  So a lot of the sites that I was planning on working for cut down on
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  their freelance budgets and everything.
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  That was where Girls Guide to Cars came in.
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  And I reached out to them and I was like, I just want to write about cars.
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  I don't care how much you pay.
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  I don't really like whatever I want to do it.
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  I was working with front stretch doing IndyCar coverage.
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  And so girls guide to cars kind of turned into, I would write for them a lot.
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  And I was regular, you know, that whole site is basically just freelancers.
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  There's like two.
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  full time employees.
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  And then I was the third after a little while when I became the
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  managing editor, just cause I was like constantly doing things.
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  It was a really good experience of learning how to talk to a lot of people
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  and get to learn different writing styles.
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  Every freelancer was different.
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  Some people were more difficult to chase down than others, but it was
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  a really great learning experience.
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  Moved into Capital One, they reached out about their auto navigator program.
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  So just kind of some basic stuff about Buying cars, new cars, electric
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  cars, the basis of information.
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  Thankfully, I went back to Jalopnik full time October of last year.
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  It's almost been a year.
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  I want to touch back on a girl's guide to cars because we've had
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  Anika Carter on here is also a writer for a girl's guide to cars.
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  She's one of the newest ones over there, but we also had a fellow managing
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  editor on recently, Sarah Lacey.
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  Yeah, there's great.
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  I love Sarah.
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  So she filled in for Brad for one of our drive thru episodes.
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  And then we did a showcase around her and the history of a girl's guide to cars.
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  Obviously, we named dropped you and a few of your compatriots on there as well.
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  But I wanted to ask you, one of their big things is women think differently
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  about cars and it's part of their mantra.
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  And so I wanted to get your take on that and what that really means,
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  especially bringing the motor sports side to the larger equation.
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  You know, you go there, you see a lot of SUVs and, you know, stuff like that, but.
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  What's your take on a girl's guide to cars?
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  So that was the thing that I really actually liked about that.
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  When I was working there was it, I constantly had to be reminded like
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  you have a level of knowledge about this that our readers probably don't.
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  Actually in the industry, these people kind of want to see cars
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  more as a utilitarian tool.
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  It was a nice mind shift because not everyone really cares about cars.
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  Like if I looked at my sister and I was like, Hey, name that car out there.
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  She would probably have no idea.
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  You know, I went to visit some friends a little while ago and they had no idea
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  how to like, Check their tire pressure.
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  So it was just kind of basic things where there were these reminders happening
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  that, you know, some, most people don't relate to their cars with a passion, like
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  people relate to their cars as a tool that gets them from point A to point B
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  that does the things they need it to do.
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  It's an appliance, like they're toasted, right?
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  It's a, it's an appliance.
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  You appreciate the fact that you have a stove, but you don't really
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  have to be passionate about what that stove specs are in order to use it.
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  It was an interesting mind shift, but there was also the opportunity for me
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  to take my perspectives on motor sport and on like a Dodge Challenger that I
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  drove to take these and like, here's why this is empowering for women.
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  Here's a different perspective on it.
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  You know, you don't have to be passionate about it, but you can appreciate
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  the feeling that you get when you're driving something that's a lot faster.
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  Then, you know, what you take the kids to school in to just bring
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  it down to a different level of this is the visceral feel you're
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  going to have from this vehicle.
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  Here's a different way you can look at what cars are, you know, see it as
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  something enjoyable instead of just like, this is another part of my life.
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  All right, so I got to ask this pit stop question.
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  Coupe, sedan, convertible, hatchback, station wagon, or minivan?
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  The answer is going to be hatchback.
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  Like I'm a real sucker for hatchbacks.
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  I have a little Mazda too, and it's the love of my life.
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  B specs for the win.
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  Yes, that was the first car I bought when I got to college and I've had
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  it ever since taking care of it.
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  It's my little go kart.
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  It'll be hatchback.
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  We're hatchback fans here as well.
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  There's a constant debate about what a hatchback really is versus a lift back.
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  There's some subtle nuances there, but it's okay.
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  We like all things with the bags open.
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  How did you turn your writing career into being a contributor
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  on the donut racing podcast?
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  It's a long story.
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  I constantly think of myself.
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  Like I didn't start out as a writer.
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  I started out as a shit poster on the internet.
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  I just like made jokes, gained some following solely based on that, like that
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  was how I knew people from Jalopnik who read the story that I wrote was because
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  I just made memes about Formula One, and there were like 10 other people who
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  actually cared about what I was doing.
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  That was kind of how that started, you know, obviously it turned into a book.
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  I was working full time at Jalopnik, but Jalopnik has like questionable
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  credentials depending on who you ask, there are a lot of polarizing opinions
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  about the website, which is fine, but when I started the book with Alanis
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  King on Rich Energy and Formula One and the Haas Saga of 2019, that kind
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  of gave it a legitimacy of like, okay, well, she's not just a jokester and she
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  probably knows what she's talking about.
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  A little bit difficult to get that credibility when you're a lady sometimes.
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  I think the donut folks reached out because they recognized that I had like
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  a similar sense of humor about stuff.
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  Like it wasn't taking formula one so desperately seriously.
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  And when you like, look at a lot of the podcasts about F1, it's just a lot of
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  boring British dudes talking deep specs and news and technical regulations.
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  And like, that was not something I cared about.
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  Um, and that was not the direction they wanted to go.
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  Can't even remember who it was who reached out.
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  There've been like a bunch of changes since we first talked about.
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  The doughnut racing show, which started out in 2020, like that was
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  when the idea was pitched and it finally kind of came to fruition.
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  Nolan Sykes, like we had followed each other on the internet.
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  Alanis was an obvious next choice.
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  She and I vibe really good.
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  You have to, when you write a book with someone.
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  So it kind of just spiraled into this.
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  Let's do something that's fun, gossipy, but also brings in the race experience
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  of like, here's something for the hardcore fan, but here's the off
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  track drama that you might care about or that you might find interesting.
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  It's been a good blend.
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  We know that Nolan is the calmer, more mild mannered of the two, right?
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  So does James Humphrey actually scream as much in person as he does on video?
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  Yes.
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  He's a very animated person to have a conversation with.
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  Keeps it fun.
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  Gotta have that energy flowing.
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  Bring you up to speed!
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  Yes.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  We definitely want to dive into the book writing.
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  You mentioned you co wrote it with Alanis King.
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  How did that, the writing experience of writing the book, compare with The,
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  you know, the journalism in the writing of the articles and stuff like that.
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  I know a lot of people, you know, say, Oh, I'd love to write a book,
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  but when it comes down to sit there and write 85, 000 words about one
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  topic, it kind of scares people away.
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  So how, how was that experience?
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  So I wasn't ever really scared of like the longer format.
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  My introduction to writing has always kind of been the longer ones.
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  Like when I was in high school, every November I would do
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  national novel writing month.
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  So you write 50, 000 words in the month of November, usually for just one project.
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  That was something I did every year.
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  So.
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  That was what I wanted to do.
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  Like when I got to college, it was really hard to transition to my creative
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  writing classes that were like, you have to have this a thousand words
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  or less, and I'm like, I want to give you a book, I have too many ideas.
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  I kind of offered that perspective to Alanis, her response.
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  So the day I left Jalopnik, full time as a staff writer, a literary
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  agent reached out to myself because I had posted my email address.
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  In my goodbye blog to say like, Hey, here's how you can find me.
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  And he was like, I just watched drive to survive.
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  I just saw the episode with rich energy.
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  I Googled it to learn more.
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  And the blog that you and Atlantis King popped up, there's so much here.
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  Do you want to write a book about it?
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  So it just kind of turned into like.
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  Yeah, why not?
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  We were like, if we added up all the blogs that we wrote about Rich
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  Energy and the whole saga on Jalopnik, it was pretty close to a book.
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  So we could probably flesh it out a little bit more.
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  Obviously, it's a little bit more challenging than that.
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  There was a lot of research that had to be involved.
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  That was the most challenging part, actually reaching out to people, asking
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  them for information, trying to track down leads, especially with something
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  like formula one, there are so many NDAs and so many people who are like, I can't
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  say anything about anything because I don't want my entire career to collapse.
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  So that was kind of.
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  Challenging, digging through financial documents and court records, all
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  of this in different countries.
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  So like trying to translate Czechoslovakian and understand the
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  context of what these trademark companies were writing about.
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  I think that was the hardest part.
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  When it came to putting things together, Alanis and I had a pretty good trajectory
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  of what we thought we wanted to do.
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  And when you write a non fiction book, you have to, uh, create a proposal.
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  So it's like this a hundred page document that talks about who you are,
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  why you're the person to write this book, you have to give a writing sample.
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  So we just gave our first chapter where you are going to get your
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  research from and you have to do a layout of all the chapters.
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  So we had our chapters like summarized and named well, before we
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  actually sat down to write the book.
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  And then once that happened, it was pretty simple.
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  Alanis and I are both.
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  Very verbose people.
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  We like to talk.
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  We like to say words.
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  Having the split between the two of us also really helped.
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  So there were some things that I took and some things that she took.
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  I did all of the historical research for former questionable
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  sponsors, like Moneytron or T Minus.
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  And then Alanis was like on the court record side of it because she.
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  Knew how to track those documents down in England.
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  So it worked out really well.
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  It was like, we each wrote half a book and then rewrote each other's
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  sections and edited them down into something cohesive proofread like nine
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  times and fact checked like nine times until it is the thing that I have
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  memorized and could probably recite.
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  Did you get access to the president of rich energy?
• 17:45
  We did not.
• 17:46
  And that was the most difficult.
• 17:47
  So he follows both of us on Twitter.
• 17:49
  So we reached out to him cause we had to reach out with our questions that we had
• 17:52
  for him as your journalistic diligence.
• 17:55
  So we reached out via email, but we had no idea what his email
• 17:58
  was anymore because he's moved.
• 17:59
  companies and change names so many times.
• 18:02
  So we sent it to him on Twitter.
• 18:03
  So we know he's seen them.
• 18:05
  I can't verify how many he's seen because we sent him like 2, 000 questions.
• 18:09
  So he definitely like opened the thing and there's a little,
• 18:12
  you know, red receipt was on.
• 18:14
  So he saw them.
• 18:15
  not choose to respond, which was really disappointing.
• 18:17
  We were like 50 50 on whether or not he would want to control the
• 18:22
  narrative that we were writing or if he would say nothing at all.
• 18:26
  He had worked with us before at Jalopnik.
• 18:28
  So I think he, he knew that we don't care.
• 18:31
  Like we're not taking his word for it.
• 18:33
  We're doing the other research.
• 18:35
  He was not interested, which was disappointing, but a lot of
• 18:38
  other interesting people were.
• 18:39
  See Brad, as our listeners know, this is why I refuse to watch Drive to Survive.
• 18:43
  Why do I have to do that when I can read Elizabeth's book?
• 18:47
  Exactly.
• 18:48
  It's all you need from 2019, like right there distilled.
• 18:51
  And some history too.
• 18:52
  Well, that's not true.
• 18:53
  You also need a case of rich energy.
• 18:56
  Oh my God, the whole case.
• 18:58
  Look at that.
• 18:59
  That's one of like two or three that he bought.
• 19:02
  We just remember when we got together at Watkins Glen for his
• 19:05
  bachelor party, we destroyed a case of that stuff while we were there.
• 19:09
  Yeah, no, that's right.
• 19:10
  I didn't know you Still had some ah mm-Hmm.
• 19:13
  . The only time I've drank that is at a racetrack and it's usually been
• 19:16
  because I've been drinking too much
• 19:19
  Yeah.
• 19:19
  I'm, I'm expecting it to be worth tens of dollars someday.
• 19:23
  Yeah.
• 19:23
  More than the dogecoin they gave you for your cyber truck.
• 19:26
  That's all I'm gonna say.
• 19:27
  Okay.
• 19:27
  That, that's true.
• 19:29
  My cyber struck pre-order is still for sale.
• 19:31
  So that said, Elizabeth, I got to ask this puzzling question about
• 19:35
  rich energy because every time I look at Formula One, all I see are
• 19:38
  derivatives of Red Bull, right?
• 19:39
  We got Red Bull, we got Toro Rosso, we got Alpha Tauri, rich energy.
• 19:43
  How many more sports energy drink companies are going
• 19:46
  to sponsor Formula cars?
• 19:48
  A lot, that's the problem.
• 19:50
  I mean, you even go back all the way to T minus and that was like
• 19:53
  an energy drink company, but also an everything else company.
• 19:57
  There's so many weird ones.
• 19:58
  I think you can just get away with energy drinks because they're
• 20:01
  probably not that difficult to make.
• 20:03
  You can commission certain manufacturing facilities to just make you a drink, put
• 20:07
  it in a can and distribute it for you.
• 20:10
  So like you can feasibly do this pretty easily.
• 20:13
  Like you go to the grocery store nowadays and I'm like, I don't even recognize.
• 20:16
  Yeah.
• 20:17
  What these energy drink brands are.
• 20:18
  They're not even motorsport, but they just exist and they're weird.
• 20:22
  Do you remember that show?
• 20:24
  It's something Todd Margaret with the guy who played Tobias Fumke from
• 20:28
  Arrested Development, where it's all about the energy drink that's built
• 20:31
  in a warehouse and it gives people all sorts of weird, like reactions.
• 20:35
  That's what I think of when we start talking about this.
• 20:39
  Like this is pretty much what it was.
• 20:40
  It was just weird.
• 20:41
  Like a guy called a facility in Austria and was like, make me a beverage.
• 20:44
  And then just like, didn't distribute it.
• 20:48
  Eric, I feel like this is our next big strategic plan.
• 20:51
  What is GTMs energy drink going to be?
• 20:53
  It's called decks.
• 20:54
  Cool.
• 20:56
  I like it.
• 20:57
  So that said, Elizabeth, that anybody follows you online and follows your
• 21:02
  writing, you are anywhere and everywhere on the planet following these racing
• 21:06
  stories from here in the States to overseas and everything in between.
• 21:09
  So I wonder, with all this experience you've had over the years, have you
• 21:13
  ever had the desire to get behind the wheel of one of these race cars?
• 21:17
  Or have you turned laps on track before?
• 21:21
  And if so, or maybe not yet, what is your dream car or dream drive or dream track?
• 21:26
  My husband just gave me the finger guns because I have an ARCA test
• 21:30
  coming up at some point in the near future, probably in January.
• 21:34
  So That's going to be the first time I officially like turn laps in a race car.
• 21:38
  I've done like driving schools.
• 21:40
  So like the Corvette performance driving school in Las Vegas kind of,
• 21:43
  sort of counts, not really, it's not a race car, but I had to wear a helmet.
• 21:47
  So like maybe, yeah, I've always wanted to, like, I walked up to
• 21:51
  Robbie Gordon in the paddock at Coda when IndyCar was at Coda.
• 21:56
  And I was like, how much would it cost for me to drive one of these things?
• 21:59
  And he was like, if you give me 10, 000, you can race it.
• 22:02
  And I was like, awesome.
• 22:04
  I'll come back.
• 22:08
  It's on my list.
• 22:08
  Like, I'd love to, you know, whose story, this sounds an awful lot like Brad.
• 22:13
  Who's that?
• 22:13
  It sounds a lot like Lynn St.
• 22:15
  James's story, right?
• 22:16
  Cause she used to cover cars and journalists as well.
• 22:18
  And every time she was at a race, she kept saying, guys, What's it going to
• 22:22
  take to get me into one of these cars?
• 22:24
  And one day they did put her in one of those cars.
• 22:26
  So that was pretty cool.
• 22:27
  Exactly.
• 22:28
  That's how you got to do it.
• 22:28
  You just be around and make yourself annoying enough that people will
• 22:33
  just give you what you want.
• 22:34
  So you be quiet.
• 22:35
  Eric has that in spades.
• 22:39
  I try.
• 22:39
  What can I say?
• 22:40
  So since you reviewed not only all these races, but a lot of vehicles,
• 22:45
  especially for Outlets like a girl's guide to cars, the drive and others.
• 22:49
  Let's throw some Pitstop questions at you.
• 22:51
  What are some of your favorite or least favorite cars and maybe some of the
• 22:55
  sexiest or ugliest cars in your opinion?
• 22:57
  Oh, so I've driven a Corvette, the C8, the new ones.
• 23:02
  I almost didn't buy a house.
• 23:04
  Like I almost bought a Corvette.
• 23:08
  I think, yeah, they're beautiful.
• 23:10
  I think those are probably like out of everything I've recently driven.
• 23:14
  Out of everything, like you can look at, it just looks good.
• 23:17
  It's affordable.
• 23:18
  Like it's not like 200, 000 for the base model.
• 23:22
  Yeah.
• 23:23
  Yeah.
• 23:23
  It's gotta be my favorite.
• 23:25
  Like, it's just, it's ridiculous, but I love it.
• 23:27
  So you don't see it as the American NSX or weird copycat
• 23:31
  Ferrari or anything like that?
• 23:33
  I mean, it's all of those things and it's none of those things because it's trying
• 23:36
  to be cool in every possible way and not really knowing how to bring it together.
• 23:41
  Exactly.
• 23:42
  But it somehow works.
• 23:43
  That's printed on the entryway at GM, right?
• 23:46
  Trying to be cool, but we don't know how.
• 23:48
  Yeah, exactly.
• 23:50
  Out of everything I've recently driven, that was my favorite.
• 23:52
  I've also driven some less than stellar vehicles.
• 23:55
  Like I drove the Hyundai Kona, just base model, did not enjoy it.
• 23:59
  Like I always say, no one aspires to own a rental car.
• 24:02
  It's just, no, no, exactly.
• 24:06
  Some inspiring vehicles and some very uninspiring vehicles.
• 24:10
  So I got to ask, what's the ugliest car of all time?
• 24:13
  Ugliest car of all time.
• 24:15
  Oh, is this because we wrote about the ugliest car of all time on
• 24:18
  Jalopnik today and everyone got upset?
• 24:20
  No, we ask this all the time.
• 24:22
  Oh, that's funny.
• 24:24
  Okay.
• 24:24
  So my coworker today wrote a story of like, what's the
• 24:27
  ugliest looking car of all time?
• 24:29
  And he used the Ford RS 200 as the cover photo.
• 24:32
  I saw that.
• 24:32
  Yes.
• 24:33
  Yeah.
• 24:33
  People got upset.
• 24:35
  Oh God, ugliest car of all time.
• 24:37
  When we had that, like, state of just generic minivans in the late
• 24:42
  90s and 2000s, all of those, every single one of those, my friend, her
• 24:47
  family would get a different minivan.
• 24:50
  All the time, I could never tell the difference aside from like, when you
• 24:53
  get in and it's like, Oh, this one has screens in the back of the headrests.
• 24:56
  But like, they were just also sad to look at.
• 24:59
  It's not a very good answer, but it's my answer.
• 25:02
  It's a good enough answer.
• 25:03
  So, but it's not the Pontiac Aztec is what you're saying.
• 25:06
  No, I, so I find that the Pontiac Aztec has some charm to it.
• 25:11
  It's ugly, but it appreciates what it is.
• 25:14
  I can respect its self respect.
• 25:16
  Adam must listen to our show because this article like speaks to something
• 25:20
  we've been talking about for weeks now.
• 25:25
  Is there a bucket list event or vehicle or combination of the two
• 25:29
  that you'd like to write about that you haven't written about already?
• 25:31
  The Bathurst 1000, top of my list.
• 25:34
  I've wanted to go for years.
• 25:36
  I watch it every year.
• 25:37
  I just want to experience it so badly.
• 25:40
  And it's like one of those ones that's very difficult to get to.
• 25:43
  I feel confident I could probably talk my way into most racing paddocks at this
• 25:48
  point, but not Australian supercars.
• 25:50
  That's like, I just don't have anyone there because it's in Australia.
• 25:54
  And the 24 hours of Lamar is another one.
• 25:56
  Like, I don't even want to like cover that as a journalist.
• 25:59
  I want to go as a fan and like camp for the whole weeks and like live the life.
• 26:04
  Just pretend that I'm French for a little minute.
• 26:07
  I think those are my two biggest ones.
• 26:09
  Yes.
• 26:09
  Are you going next year for the hundred?
• 26:11
  Okay.
• 26:11
  So I am trying to get something lined up with NASCAR for the garage 64
• 26:17
  project that they've got going on.
• 26:18
  I want to go so bad.
• 26:19
  I'm trying to pitch it in a very interesting way of like,
• 26:23
  let's do a feature series of the development of the car.
• 26:27
  The selection of the drivers, then ultimately like getting
• 26:30
  there, I want to do that so bad.
• 26:32
  But the hundredth only comes once, unless you wait nine more years and
• 26:36
  then there's a second hundredth.
• 26:38
  It's like the Indy 500, it's like hundredth anniversary
• 26:41
  and hundredth running.
• 26:42
  You can get one or the other.
• 26:43
  It'll be fine.
• 26:45
  I'm going for the anniversary.
• 26:46
  I think it's going to be epic.
• 26:47
  And only because you see all the cars that are slated to come out, Next year
• 26:52
  is going to be the grudge match of matches between marks that we haven't
• 26:56
  seen on the big stage in a long time, like Cadillac, like BMW, like Peugeot
• 27:00
  and Ferrari and Porsche and everybody in what used to be LMP one now in GTP.
• 27:05
  I think it's just going to be an epic, epic week of racing.
• 27:09
  So it's going to be a lot of fun.
• 27:10
  Like I like sports car racing, but it's not my favorite discipline,
• 27:14
  but with everything that's going on and the new car developments and,
• 27:17
  you know, the hypercar regulations.
• 27:19
  between series.
• 27:20
  Like I'm actually pretty stoked about it.
• 27:22
  Like it's nice to see a family coming together.
• 27:24
  Yeah, it is.
• 27:24
  And it's coming together on multiple levels, not just between IMSA and WEC,
• 27:28
  but also between IMSA's, let's call it sister organization, SRO world challenge.
• 27:32
  They're getting more tightly coupled as well.
• 27:35
  You know, seeing things like the new S650 GT3 Mustang running in both series
• 27:39
  next year, which is pretty cool as well.
• 27:41
  We're always excited about multi class racing, sports car racing.
• 27:44
  It's just, Probably some of the best stuff to watch live, not just on TV as well.
• 27:48
  I mean, that's my opinion.
• 27:50
  Take it for what it is.
• 27:51
  Right.
• 27:51
  You know, we've been very fortunate on this show to have what we call
• 27:55
  several glorious ladies of racing.
• 27:57
  And we've noticed that one of your sweet spots is history's
• 28:00
  forgotten female racing drivers.
• 28:03
  So I want to know in your research and part of your passion projects
• 28:07
  there, are there any, you know, Female racers dead or alive that
• 28:11
  you'd like to meet or interview?
• 28:12
  Like all of them.
• 28:14
  I feel like that's a problem I have when I start to kind of do these deep dives
• 28:17
  is that at the time, especially the older beyond like the eighties and back people
• 28:23
  weren't asking them the right questions.
• 28:25
  Like no one was reaching out to these female drivers to
• 28:28
  be like, Hey, what is this?
• 28:30
  Like, you know, you get some like Janet Guthrie who will publish their
• 28:34
  autobiography as well afterward.
• 28:36
  So you can kind of see how it was.
• 28:38
  From her perspective, but you just don't get that.
• 28:40
  Like if you just read the newspaper reports of her racing
• 28:44
  career, you don't get any of that.
• 28:46
  So that's the problem that you kind of run into with a lot of the older drivers.
• 28:50
  No one was writing that stuff.
• 28:51
  I would love to meet Janet Guthrie.
• 28:54
  Her autobiography completely changed.
• 28:56
  I think the way that I looked at writing about cars and racing, and
• 29:00
  that was a book that I read a lot.
• 29:02
  So in my grad degree, I had to write a novel and that was one of
• 29:05
  my thesis projects that I had to do.
• 29:08
  So I wrote about female driver in the 1970s competing in endurance racing
• 29:12
  in Europe, but like the way that Janet Guthrie kind of described her experiences,
• 29:16
  the way that she described being in a car was just so beautiful and evocative
• 29:22
  that I appreciated it on the level of like, Here's someone who did something
• 29:26
  incredible and made history in motorsport, but also someone who like knows how to
• 29:30
  write about it, which can be so rare.
• 29:32
  So there was kind of a double level there in terms of like the
• 29:36
  dead female drivers, Cheryl glass.
• 29:38
  I just want to, like, I want to know there's so many unanswered
• 29:41
  questions about her life.
• 29:42
  The circumstances in which she died were very mysterious.
• 29:46
  Her family believes that she was killed by the police and the police say that she
• 29:50
  killed herself by jumping off a bridge.
• 29:52
  She was harassed when she moved back to Seattle after she kind of retired
• 29:57
  from her career because she was black.
• 29:59
  There's so much that just like, we just don't know.
• 30:01
  And it'd be so interesting to hear from her because women are rare in racing,
• 30:05
  but black women are almost non existent.
• 30:07
  And to have someone doing that in, you know, the 1990s, it was a different time.
• 30:11
  Like, I just want to know, I want to know so much about her.
• 30:14
  It feels like we've done kind of a disservice by not remembering her more.
• 30:18
  Absolutely.
• 30:19
  Absolutely.
• 30:20
  And, you know, there's been so many women that have been trailblazers and, you
• 30:25
  know, over the years, and one of them especially is still on my list to talk
• 30:29
  to is sit down with Michelle Mouton.
• 30:31
  You look at her career and what she did for women in motor sports.
• 30:33
  Again, like you're talking about at that critical time in the late 70s, early 80s,
• 30:38
  where they were just throwing up stats and who won the race and things like that
• 30:42
  and not getting to her personal story.
• 30:44
  Now, going back, uh, To talk to her about what it was like to compete as
• 30:48
  the only female with the only female navigator, like almost forever until
• 30:53
  the more modern times, you know, the only person that has a female
• 30:56
  navigator in rally today is Seb, right.
• 30:59
  And so it's still very rare to see.
• 31:01
  And so, you know, she's on my list of people to talk to that, you know, I'd
• 31:04
  love to just sit down and pick her brain and I'm driving one of those
• 31:07
  iconic cars in rally every two, right.
• 31:09
  So to boot, but I have to ask, you know, outside of your own writing,
• 31:14
  Do you have any recommended reads or any authors that inspire you?
• 31:18
  Oh God, there's, there's so many.
• 31:20
  I did my second graduate thesis on Virginia Woolf.
• 31:23
  I think she is probably my favorite author.
• 31:26
  Just the way that she presented women and relationships and trauma.
• 31:31
  Very interesting the way she like represented the world.
• 31:34
  Gave me a different way of thinking about things.
• 31:36
  I cannot recommend Janet Guthrie's book enough.
• 31:38
  Get it on her website so she makes money.
• 31:41
  It's such a good story.
• 31:42
  A.
• 31:42
  J.
• 31:42
  Bimes Go Like Hell.
• 31:44
  It's another one that, like, I have every passage in that book highlighted
• 31:48
  because I go back to it and, like, just look over it and get the good vibes
• 31:51
  of what it was like to drive cars.
• 31:52
  That's the story of the Shelby Omni, right?
• 31:55
  Yeah, exactly.
• 31:58
  That's what GLH stands for.
• 32:00
  Goes Like Hell.
• 32:00
  Ha ha ha!
• 32:02
  Yeah, I haven't done as much fiction reading right now as I usually do.
• 32:05
  I had a very nice gentleman reach out.
• 32:07
  He read a story I wrote about Francois Sever, my like personal weird relationship
• 32:12
  that I have where I want to learn more about who he is, and said that his dad
• 32:16
  was also a very big fan of Francois Sever, so he said that his father passed away.
• 32:21
  This racing stuff didn't mean anything to him and he wanted
• 32:23
  to send me a bunch of it.
• 32:24
  So he sent me a ton of books and I've been like picking my way through first
• 32:28
  editions of books that were published in like the 1940s about racing.
• 32:32
  That's just kind of been my jam lately.
• 32:33
  So if a young girl walked up to you today and asked why racing, what would you say?
• 32:39
  That's such a good question.
• 32:40
  I've had people ask me this before, and I feel like I never give.
• 32:43
  A good answer to it.
• 32:45
  There's just something visceral about racing that we don't get as normal
• 32:50
  humans and that you don't get from other sports, motorsport requires
• 32:54
  both a mental, physical and emotional level of skill, but also a technical
• 33:00
  level of skill between driver and car.
• 33:03
  And between everyone on that team fast, like it's thrilling.
• 33:07
  There's something about when you go to a race and engines start, And you can
• 33:12
  just like feel it and there's nothing else in the world and it's just that.
• 33:16
  Something about that sensation has always just stuck out to me.
• 33:20
  It was the same at being at concerts when I was in college.
• 33:23
  Like just the feeling of you are surrounded by this noise and
• 33:26
  this single experience and you're watching people doing something
• 33:30
  that they're really, really good at.
• 33:32
  It's so special.
• 33:33
  Like I can understand why people aren't into racing.
• 33:36
  But I can also understand why people are and like why you might have a
• 33:40
  different passion for a different sport.
• 33:41
  It's all kind of down to those same levels of.
• 33:44
  You want to watch something exciting, some sort of competition.
• 33:47
  You want to watch people do something that you could never do or that
• 33:51
  you could only want to do and like, just make a career out of it.
• 33:55
  It's just, it's, and cars are cool.
• 34:00
  I love the connection you made to going to a concert because I get the same
• 34:03
  vibe from going to concerts as well.
• 34:05
  You're in a little bubble because the noises like trapped you in with people
• 34:09
  who care about the same thing you do.
• 34:11
  There's just no other experience like it.
• 34:13
  Let's take what we call the evolution into account.
• 34:17
  And what do you do when we take the noise away?
• 34:20
  Okay, so here's the thing.
• 34:22
  I actually like I'm a big fan of Formula E and I went to
• 34:25
  Greenland to watch Extreme E.
• 34:27
  The lack of noise of an EV doesn't bother me because there are other noises that
• 34:32
  you can listen to, and they're not picked up well on TV, which is the problem.
• 34:36
  The powertrains make an interesting noise.
• 34:38
  Like, yeah, I can understand why people don't like it.
• 34:41
  It kind of sounds like a vacuum.
• 34:42
  It kind of sounds like a spaceship.
• 34:44
  But if you stand next to the track, you can hear the tires squeal.
• 34:48
  Squealing, you can hear the body work rumbling against each other.
• 34:52
  You can hear every noise and rock and pebble and curve that the drivers hit.
• 34:57
  There needs to be a way to translate that to the viewer who's just watching
• 35:01
  at home, because you don't get it.
• 35:03
  Like it's a different experience.
• 35:05
  It's not the earth shattering noise of like watching a stock car race, but there
• 35:10
  are other, Nuances to it that if you are into racing because you like kind of the
• 35:16
  car aspect and the technical aspect of it, you get so much more of those other
• 35:20
  noises that the engine noise has hidden.
• 35:22
  We just don't translate it to television and in our daily lives.
• 35:26
  Do you think it is here to stay?
• 35:28
  Do you think it disrupts the car hobby?
• 35:30
  If you look at it from that perspective, I mean, you're a muscle car gal.
• 35:33
  Yeah.
• 35:34
  What if somebody wanted to transplant a Tesla into that 68 Corvette?
• 35:37
  Yeah.
• 35:38
  See, that's the thing is like, I have a lot of conflicting emotions
• 35:40
  about it because part of the reason I like muscle cars is because of the
• 35:44
  visceral raw experience of it, like the danger of thousands of explosions,
• 35:49
  making this thing go really fast.
• 35:51
  It's really hard to change that.
• 35:53
  But I think I also have started to look at EVs from a way of like, what
• 35:58
  else can we appreciate from them?
• 35:59
  What is going to make these interesting?
• 36:01
  So like the instant torque that an EV provides.
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  Makes racing interesting in that respect.
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  It makes driving every day.
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  Interesting.
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  I have never had as much fun as I had driving the Toyota BZ 4X.
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  Just like taking off from a stop sign because it felt like you could get the
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  power down immediately in a way that like you just don't get in a combustion engine.
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  There's gotta be a total like mind shift about what it is we appreciate about cars.
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  We're going to have to look at the other things, not just the engines.
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  You have to be an emphasis on powertrains and suspension on tires and these
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  other things that I think they're very important, but like, they're
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  not the thing that draws you in.
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  I think it's a good thing.
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  I also, like, don't want it to overtake everything.
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  Like, I want it to be the future, but like, Half and half, if that makes sense.
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  I had somebody related to me recently in a very interesting way.
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  And it had to do with telephones and I'm not talking like the Zach
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  Morris phone versus the iPhone.
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  It was as simple as even in the era of the smartphones, it feels like the
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  ice cars are like the BlackBerrys with the keyboards that everybody loved.
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  I could text so fast.
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  I could do so many things.
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  It was so great.
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  Tactile feedback of the BlackBerry.
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  But we all have iPhones now that don't even have a button on them anymore.
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  Right?
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  So I think it's that sort of transition.
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  It took time to wean people off of that.
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  And now we're fully accepting of how do I turn it on again?
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  Yeah, that's a really, really good metaphor.
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  I've never thought of it that way, but that's kind of exactly what it is.
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  When you have some like.
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  Late changers, like my husband just got rid of his BlackBerry with the keyboard.
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  Not that long ago, because he was like, absolutely not, not
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  doing the smartphone thing.
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  And now that he has one, he's like, I can't believe I ever had
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  the little ticky tack keyboard.
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  I think that's going to be the way a lot of people turn to.
• 37:47
  I mean, even when you think about the amount of people who just
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  like specifically purchase those keyboards that make noise because
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  they make that satisfying noise.
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  There are still folks out there who care about stuff like that.
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  Then there's other people who like, whatever you give me, I'll just take.
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  And that's the one thing that people need to remember is that there's still going
• 38:04
  to be plenty of old cars to go around.
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  There's people with massive collections.
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  And we're seeing this now in partnership with some other groups that we work with
• 38:13
  cars that are going up for auctions.
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  Guys are getting older.
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  They're like, what am I going to do with 50 cars?
• 38:17
  I don't even drive.
• 38:18
  Two of them, you know, out of the ones are there.
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  So there's going to be plenty of cars coming into circulation.
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  So if you're still interested in, you know, petrol powered cars, I think there's
• 38:27
  going to be something for everyone.
• 38:28
  The question is, does the market correct itself?
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  And, you know, do we go all crazy?
• 38:32
  Like we've seen, we'll save that for another day.
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  We'll put a pin in it.
• 38:36
  We'll look for that article on Jalopnik and a girl's guide to cars.
• 38:40
  Now you got me thinking about it.
• 38:42
  What's next for Elizabeth Blackstock?
• 38:44
  What's on your horizon?
• 38:45
  So in the background here, I have my calendar that I just bought
• 38:48
  that I have finally started filling out with things I need to do.
• 38:52
  Is that a doomsday countdown calendar?
• 38:54
  What is that?
• 38:55
  Pretty much, honestly.
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  For the rest of the year, I'm actually getting my next
• 38:59
  project or projects in line.
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  I have my graduate thesis novel that I wrote that is like done.
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  I just need to edit it and then I want to have that published.
• 39:10
  I have a different novel that I wrote while I was in the middle of the pandemic
• 39:14
  that was based on a different thesis that I wrote for my undergrad degree.
• 39:17
  Also about race cars in the 70s.
• 39:20
  So I want to like get those done and like submit them out to places while
• 39:23
  People are interested in race car, like Formula One has had such a resurgence.
• 39:27
  I think this is a good time to kind of capitalize on that.
• 39:30
  I have some other nonfiction book ideas that I'm putting together for Formula
• 39:35
  One in America and the socioeconomic changes that have dictated the way
• 39:40
  that women have competed in motorsport.
• 39:43
  A broader look at why women have competed in certain eras more than others.
• 39:47
  Those are what's on my, my agenda along with everything else I do on a
• 39:50
  daily basis, such as Jalopnik and the donut racing show and all the various
• 39:55
  and sundry things I, I have lined up.
• 39:58
  Do you have any shout outs or promotions?
• 40:00
  Obviously the book, anything else you want to share that we haven't already covered?
• 40:04
  Yeah.
• 40:04
  My book racing with rich energy is coming out soon.
• 40:07
  You can order that on McFarland publishers or Amazon,
• 40:10
  preferably McFarland publishers.
• 40:12
  I get more money that way.
• 40:14
  My Twitter account is at.
• 40:16
  Eliz underscore Blackstock, and you can also find Donut Racing Show on Twitter
• 40:20
  at Donut Racing Show, all one word.
• 40:22
  I will see you folks online.
• 40:24
  To learn more about Elizabeth, be sure to check out her website at www.
• 40:28
  elizabeth blackstock.
• 40:30
  com.
• 40:30
  Follow her on social media at Eliza Blackstock on Instagram and Eliz
• 40:36
  underscore Blackstock on Twitter.
• 40:37
  Or check out her work on Jalopnik, A Girl's Guide to Cars, Donut Media Podcast,
• 40:42
  and many other automotive outlets.
• 40:44
  That said, Elizabeth, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show.
• 40:47
  It's always fun to get together with you at the track.
• 40:49
  And, you know, as I look back over your story and as we're introducing you to many
• 40:55
  other folks out there in the automotive world, I have to say, if you don't
• 40:59
  recognize it now, I think you're on track to be our generation, Sylvia Wilkinson,
• 41:04
  and if the folks out there don't know who that is, she wrote the stainless steel
• 41:08
  carrot and dirt tracks to glory and other things like, if you listen to your story.
• 41:13
  And follow her story as a contributing writer of auto
• 41:15
  week, you know, encyclopedia for auto racing, things like that.
• 41:18
  I mean, your stories are very parallel and I see you up there
• 41:21
  with Sylvia in that sort of author's hall of fame in the future.
• 41:25
  So we do wish you the best of luck and many more novels to come.
• 41:28
  Thank you.
• 41:29
  That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.
• 41:32
  High praise.
• 41:33
  Oh, thank you to you guys for having me.
• 41:35
  It was great to catch up with you guys and like actually have a conversation
• 41:41
  that's not on the, on the telephone.
• 41:42
  Next time we run into you at a race, I'd like to get the book signed.
• 41:45
  I've already pre ordered it on Amazon.
• 41:48
  Look at him, McFarland.
• 41:49
  I did it through the link on her website.
• 41:53
  Thank you very much.
• 41:54
  Yeah.
• 41:54
  I'm going to order a copy myself too.
• 41:56
  I got to get that going.
• 41:57
  So on that note, I know you're a busy lady, so we'll let you get back to it.
• 42:00
  But again, thank you for coming on the show.
• 42:02
  It's been an absolute pleasure to see you again.
• 42:04
  Thanks for coming.
• 42:05
  Thank you guys.
• 42:06
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• 42:06
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