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- 0:00Yo all no, no, no, not my homies. Yeah that's me.
- 0:14I don't go to work, all right, everybody, what's going on?
- 0:21I am the one, the only, the w oh okay you joined
- 0:25here by the usual cast of degenerate misfits. We have the elf from the
- 0:28South Southerly elf O, the ewakyist of ewoks Jr. Hello, Key fortumunity,
- 0:36glad to be here, the grumpiest PhD you ever met, doctor Sheet,
- 0:41I'm not special, and the one and only choke show. I am
- 0:47special. My mom told me so. Buckets of stuff. We had six
- 0:55articles in the span of six days. That's an article day. Boys.
- 1:00It's like Jeremy, six articles that should have been one article. These are
- 1:04all written by Josh. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's why. That's why.
- 1:08Hey, we have articles. This is uh someone posted this is good
- 1:14one posted by Michael. Honestly, this is back to where Gigi was early
- 1:18on with communication. I love to see it. So no complaints there,
- 1:22Chepo, no complaints, all right, but forgive way too easily. We
- 1:27are this. This is good. This is good news. Man. You're
- 1:32gonna hear that again and again, so I like it. We got a
- 1:37lot of good news this week. So you know, it's at least at
- 1:40least a four hour recording apparently to you guys, we are going to go
- 1:47over these articles briefly, and then and future episodes we will deep dive into
- 1:53some of these and then maybe sprinkle in some other news that comes back.
- 1:57But your voices have been heard. Sealed is returning to the Vault Tour.
- 2:06Yay, well kind of yeah, kind of kind but I'll take it,
- 2:12I guess. So going forward, sealed, I'm sorry, going forward,
- 2:17Officially Keyforard sealed play format will be played well, hold on, let me
- 2:21just start here, because we have to define sealed right, so experienced Keyford
- 2:28players know the basics of sealed deck play. A number of unopened key Forge
- 2:32decks are bought by each player to a tournament. Players open their sealed decks
- 2:36before their first round is select Slash creates a deck to use in the tournament.
- 2:42Selecting a single whole deck and sealed play has been in the past known
- 2:46as sealed ARCon, while using the Alliance deck creation rules has its pass known
- 2:52as sealed Alliance. Going forward, official key Forard sealed play format will be
- 2:58as follows. Players bring between one and three sealed decks players choice to the
- 3:05tournament. The deck must be from the same keyforarde set, or the decks
- 3:09must be from the same keyboard set, while the set itself may be designated
- 3:15by the event. After opening the decks, players then decide upon their tournament
- 3:20deck. This is done either by selecting an open deck without modification, or
- 3:23by creating an alliance deck from the housing pods contained in the open decks.
- 3:28While you may, while you, we have made additional adjustments and edits to
- 3:34the sealed format explanation on our tournament format and rules page. This is all
- 3:39now known as is this correct? Unified sealed? Not really? Yeah,
- 3:45yeah, yes yeah, New Coke? Yes Coke. How long before we
- 3:51go back to the old recipe because we all know how well wait, hold
- 3:53on, how many people in the audience actually know what new Coke is?
- 4:00What about most? Yes? Sorry sorry, Pepsi Crystal was clear. New
- 4:08Coke was like a whole new formula and it flopped miserably, and they just
- 4:15went back to the old stuff, so we have before. They didn't go
- 4:17back to the original because that did okay, not the original original. Hey,
- 4:24some of us are old here. You go back to the Booger Sugar
- 4:27days. No, you do not. Hey, Hey, we have before
- 4:32I stated the importance of limiting the numbers of official formats to keep organized play
- 4:36focused and to avoid fracturing the player base. You've already okayed. In addition,
- 4:42we also, uh we accomplished. We also had to consider some real
- 4:46world limitations and that supporting four high level tournaments within a three day tournament event
- 4:53is not particular practical practical for larger tournaments that that I agree with it,
- 5:00We will get into that. This is why we have made the decision to
- 5:03select a single unified sealed format as the official competitive at the official competitive level,
- 5:11as opposed to running both Arkon and Alliance sealed formats. The official sealed
- 5:15format, which was Sealed Alliance in the past, allows those players who wish
- 5:19to feel a single unmodified ARCon dec to do so, while players who want
- 5:24the agency there's that word again, of engaging in the deck construction may do
- 5:29just that. As such, we believe the widest number of players are served
- 5:32by this unified format. Where does it go into the structure? Is it
- 5:36the next one? I would just like to say that ARCon and Alliance also
- 5:46allowed you to play single deck sealed if you want it, so really,
- 5:51thanks for that cheap but I gained agency. Agency, help me dress,
- 5:59help me now. So look, I am excited that Sealed is back.
- 6:03I'm excited that Seal's here. It is you know, I think I don't
- 6:10know what we call true sealed. I guess we call it true seal.
- 6:14We call it sealed. Well, now this is there, This is unified
- 6:16sealed. I'm sorry, true I believe we call it the way. This
- 6:21is the West. Yes, I agree, I agree. So I like,
- 6:27hey, it's not like I'm like, uh uh, you know a
- 6:31lions sealed is a horrible format or whatever. It's fine, right, Like
- 6:35I think it's It's not what I was hoping for. But if it's the
- 6:40way to get Sealed back, I'll take it, and then we'll spend the
- 6:43next year hopefully convincing him that, you know, but sealed is the way
- 6:47to go. But wait, dras Cors there's more. Yeah. I don't
- 6:51know if it was said here, but h F F S had a little
- 6:57chat with Michael Hurley. Yeah, us so Sealed will be run on Friday,
- 7:03and I believe will wrap up on Saturday. That's not what was said.
- 7:10Okay, where was it said? Was it an article or was it
- 7:12there hasn't been said anywhere. Yeah, people saying they heard that from somebody
- 7:18that has not been officially put out anywhere that I've been made aware of.
- 7:26For Wok manifesting something. That's where I heard it from was ewak. Yeah.
- 7:30Yeah, but you know, because if that was the case, it
- 7:35was a self fulfilling prophecy that sealed would just take a dive and be trash
- 7:41because nobody would be able to show up on I mean, plenty of people
- 7:45show up on Friday, right, but they show up on Friday, late
- 7:49Friday. When to run this as YETI this is what YETI used to run
- 7:58like this was except there wasn't two choices on Saturday. It was sealed on
- 8:03Friday and then ARCN the next day, or it was arkind on Friday and
- 8:07sealed on Saturday, right, whichever way they chose to do it each one.
- 8:11But this this is not wait, hold on, never standard they did
- 8:18that. They did that. Yes, that is how event coke. No,
- 8:24I remember the main the main event was always one thing won his Sealed
- 8:33Vault tour at a YETTI event where it was sealed on Friday and Alliance on
- 8:39saturd Saturday, Sunday, whichever it was. It was ARCon on Friday and
- 8:46then sealed on Saturday. That that's what it was. And the sealed was
- 8:48the main event with the exact same prizing, right, YETI went ahead and
- 8:58ran back to back. As you guys are talking, we had another lead
- 9:05that was there before YETI and I think that's what Cascade was there before Yedi
- 9:09and I was at YETI Vault Tours. I went with cheap to a YETI
- 9:13Vault Tour. But we've also also YETI Vaults that were single event, correct
- 9:18and correct. That's what I need to be able to share is that both
- 9:22existed. Near the end DRez you had went to Packs and Packs was the
- 9:26three day event. That's what we styled live after. But YETI did run
- 9:30single events too, because they did the three day events when they did convention
- 9:33related stuff for people at entry fees on their on their solo run events,
- 9:39they did singles. Okay, well, either way we can. I can
- 9:46throw that argument out because it doesn't exist anymore, which I'm I'm actually I'm
- 9:52happy to hear that that that doesn't exist. That makes me. Yeah,
- 9:56So the autoficial demono was here talking about this in our chat. So again,
- 10:01if you happen to be live here Thursdays when we record AC Live show,
- 10:05you can jump in and add some comments. We got to open the
- 10:09liquid death. Are you all ready? Oh yeah, glad water just throw
- 10:18money in the garbo. But it's liquid. But let's do here to refocus
- 10:24us here. Ye, true, Josh had come onto our discord and that's
- 10:31where it was unofficial kind of talked about a response to a p and so
- 10:35that's where the discussion happened. It's bad but like unofficial responses, it's not
- 10:41super but like the amount of information that we need one is not good.
- 10:52Agreed, But it's not good because it's not coming through me. I mean
- 10:56that's so. So here here's where as content provides. We appreciate that,
- 11:01like Josh has come on to AC before that, Michael Hurley went onto help
- 11:05from future self. That we've had GGI employees come into content creators is helpful,
- 11:13but it does raise some additional questions. The idea that was stated Michael
- 11:16Hurley that I remember hearing was in regards to Will the Sealed Beyond Saturday and
- 11:22that is it will be Friday. Now there is potential no no, no,
- 11:26they said we're not opening up, but there's potential for it to be
- 11:31able to be there. It was not a statement of it will or it
- 11:33won't. No, it was in stone with here is my feet grounded in
- 11:37that this is the only time it's going to be. That's right. It
- 11:39basically was a no comment. Right, that's basically what he said. He
- 11:43said words that were more than that, but basically what did he say?
- 11:46What did he say? What did you say? Something like we didn't make
- 11:50we haven't made that the decision yet, or we're not saying at this point
- 11:56or something like that. Right, like, this is why it's not even
- 11:58worth talking about because right, right, the thing is because conjecture here,
- 12:05I don't know. We have to tell you that we like it here.
- 12:09But there's some really important information if we're going ahead and claiming that, hey,
- 12:16we're going to go ahead and have sealed awesome. First of all,
- 12:18over all these articles, we need to understand there's really good information. We
- 12:22appreciate this a lot of positive and I need to say that again and again.
- 12:26There's some some fine details that we want to be able to talk about
- 12:31that is still some complaints. One of those was what came through as people
- 12:35were talking about it, the idea that it Sealed Alliance, but we're gonna
- 12:39just call it Sealed Unified like that. That is that's a that's a big
- 12:43hit. But I will tell you as a key Forge player, I'm just
- 12:48happy that we're playing Sealed Alliance. We'll call it Sealed Unified as a formal
- 12:52format. That all three will be at World, that's good news. That's
- 12:56a win for us, and we'll take that win. The idea in the
- 13:00statement there was a throwaway comment in there that you can play one, two
- 13:05or three decks, so you could play a single deck. It's not efficient
- 13:07as competitive, correct, and that is I think what is missed is that
- 13:13oftentimes we're competitive podcast. We're going to push for that competition. So the
- 13:18idea that you're going to come in and play just one. We're not a
- 13:22competitive podcast anymore. We just ship talk for like an hour and a half,
- 13:26yea three hours. There's another competitive going on for a while. Well,
- 13:31this is true. I'm pretty sure you can competitively ship talk. YEP.
- 13:35That's where we're at. So this idea, the idea that I'm going
- 13:41to go ahead and open up one single deck and maybe that deck is baller,
- 13:46maybe that deck is straight ARCon worthy, and we can take it.
- 13:48We have seen that in some of the sealed but the ability to go ahead
- 13:52and take two or three statistically, it is not likely that are going to
- 14:00take one deck and be successful when you can go ahead and look at all
- 14:03of the decks. Now, I'm a bit concerned, frankly, when we
- 14:09look it is one, two or three decks that are available for this sealed
- 14:13unified. I like that they're giving some agency for your local that hey,
- 14:18local store, I can go ahead and do. Let's end right here,
- 14:24because you're already getting into what one of the biggest arguments going on the internet
- 14:28is unified sealed is and the way that TRG is written this is for premier
- 14:35level event stuff. They don't have anything meaningful for store level events written yet.
- 14:41Really they have included store championships as that one of those premiers, which
- 14:46premier thing for a local op. And that's why people are drawing that conclusion.
- 14:52And right now you have it open that it can be one or two,
- 14:56and I'm fine with that that there isn't clear delineation between this is premier,
- 15:03top level whatever and store level stuff is got a lot of people worry
- 15:09because they're like, well, it only says there's one way to play Sealed,
- 15:11and now they're afraid people are gonna come to the store and be like,
- 15:13well, this is what it's said online how you play Sealed, and
- 15:16you guys don't want to do it that way, and that isn't great for
- 15:18consistency that you can't go to the store and go what to expect. But
- 15:24that's kind of always been true in key Forge, Like all the time people
- 15:26are talking about like you can go to z store and they're gonna play Shredder
- 15:31once a month, and you come to our store and we're playing some kind
- 15:33of weird we're playing sometimes sometimes Sealed Alliance. Sometimes if you just want to
- 15:41play in our contact, we don't care because we're really just they're playing key
- 15:43Fords because we're not playing for anything. And other places are playing sas cap
- 15:48Karen in the store in Madison, they're playing crazy swindle based events all the
- 15:54time. Like there is no real consistency I feel like in the of key
- 16:00Forge events across the country at a local level, because you're now playing it.
- 16:03What are you playing? Players? Well, there there is that,
- 16:07but like it's it is the thing that was there is with key Forge,
- 16:14but that that there is only these three things. And oh single deck shield,
- 16:19which we all agree is a joke. Single deck shield when other people
- 16:22are playing three deck constructed is right? We need we need no reason.
- 16:33You cannot just at your local store say hey, right, everybody's buying one
- 16:37deck and play in it. We can play mixed set because it doesn't matter.
- 16:41Even once there's prizes, probably doesn't matter until they introduce a meaningful leader
- 16:48board that leads to something. It doesn't really matter what you're doing as long
- 16:52as you're playing key Forge and people are enjoying it, right, and I
- 16:56and I agree with what I saw I was talking about. I agree with
- 17:00this hundred percent. I do not think that they will control us at the
- 17:03local level. They haven't. I don't think it's gonna be a problem,
- 17:06but I will tell you some of the wording and some of the technology that
- 17:08was there makes it a little bit weird. We're still looking at one or
- 17:12two decks I think for the local, but your local decide like take it
- 17:15upon us where the community go out to your local. What do you guys
- 17:18want to play? What should this group here? And I say guys,
- 17:22but it's guys and girls. Whoever is in your local who's playing? Talk
- 17:26to them. I don't see that as an issue. I mean, I
- 17:30like it as a thought as a store representative that every week some people are
- 17:33going to choose three decks. I like it. I would like to sell
- 17:38you three decks every week. That sounds great, and there are and you
- 17:42know, the problem is is there are certainly some people who can afford to
- 17:45do that, and there's other people who can't. And the fact that the
- 17:48extra money is a significant competitive advantage will ruin locals if they run it that
- 17:53way like it'll it'll just ruin them. So I think that's where the worry
- 18:00is coming from, is people say, I want to go play for my
- 18:03store championship. Now you're telling me I have to buy three. Well,
- 18:06I don't think the store championship one having to be three is a problem because
- 18:11that's a once a year event. That's not that's not local weekly play,
- 18:17that's your that eye. What they got is the top level play and all
- 18:22the store championships that we played in before were either ARCon or three decks sealed
- 18:26anyways, so that's not really a change. I see this, but I'm
- 18:32going to tell you there are some people that it is limiting with amount of
- 18:34money that again the increasing every game. There are people who can't play ten
- 18:40dollars magic drafts like I don't. I don't think that is a like what's
- 18:45the what's the bottom line? You set the number? What is it?
- 18:48What is the number that everybody can afford and play? There isn't a number
- 18:51that is that, so I don't. I don't think that's like there is
- 18:55value in that making it overly expensive, but it's it is not a number
- 19:02that I think any of us are qualified to determine what is actually a dollar
- 19:07level that will prevent people from showing up. I think that you're missed or
- 19:12sealed. I think we're to a store championship, not to a weekly event.
- 19:18Yeah, I think what you're missing is again, talk with your locals
- 19:22and be able to go ahead and voice if it is a restriction box to
- 19:25play at our local. But we just an alliance. You could just buy
- 19:30as many AOA decks as you want, but our local is different. I'm
- 19:34telling you even going ahead and meeting trying to right rules that apply to everybody.
- 19:41That that's not how it works. And I don't think the three deck
- 19:45thing is out of whack at all to play in a premier level event.
- 19:52Yeah, go ahead and do it once or twice a year, which is
- 19:55what we're looking at because to the two sets. But what's the problem.
- 20:00Okay, so what three times a year? You do it one for Star
- 20:02Championships and once for each release. Three times a year. That's not a
- 20:06big deal. Forty bucks. Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. That's
- 20:10not I I don't see that it's an issue. But I'm telling you there
- 20:14are individuals in our community that it is. It is arguing that there are
- 20:18individuals that can't afford it. But what you're saying is like, then we
- 20:22need to make the events freak to play, and then it devolves back in
- 20:26dot Well, how do you make it so everybody. I didn't say one
- 20:27deck because that's what key Forge was, but that's where it evolves back down
- 20:33to when you start trying to limit spending across the board. I think this
- 20:38has gotten way auto whack. I will say that, but if you level,
- 20:44if you have a problem spending forty dollars to play in a premier level
- 20:48event. I don't think competitive key Forge just for you, just straight up,
- 20:56I don't think that's crazy competitive and is probably probably something you're going to
- 21:02realistically be able to participate in. Yes, but there are a number of
- 21:07individuals of how it's been worded right now, three times a year for store
- 21:11champs and your two release events. Thinking there's three store champs in a year,
- 21:15No one for store sin, one for store Champ, and one for
- 21:18each pre release. That's a total of three events at forty I think is
- 21:22fine. But again, what I'm trying to say is talk to your community,
- 21:26because we are a small community that if for some reason you are one
- 21:30of those people who's limited that you can't make it out, talk to people
- 21:33because there's other people that frankly, hey, I'll pick up here's the extra
- 21:37deck that's needed, because it's more fun to just have our local group there.
- 21:41That's me, okay, And I know there's a lot of really good
- 21:45people out there. So even while you're scoffing at it in the back,
- 21:48that's what I'm trying to say. I don't think that we're going ahead and
- 21:51expecting three sealed on a weekly basis. I think that's outrageous, but I
- 21:56agree how it was listed cause some people to get alarmed. I'm trying to
- 22:00qualm that by saying, no, realistically, you're looking at one sealed potentially
- 22:04even do what we do where here's two and you play alliance for the week.
- 22:08But what we will see is roughly three times a year, as I've
- 22:12outlined, you'll see this three deck event. Okay, I think that is
- 22:18very appropriate. But if that's a limiting facts, and I think where they're
- 22:22getting confused. They thought every time we were run sealed, it's going to
- 22:26have to be three decks, and that that wasn't the case. Now what
- 22:30is written if their rules, but that's I don't think there's nothing preventing you
- 22:40from doing what you want in your locals, right the thing So, so
- 22:44one thing that I want to talk about is the way that Michael put this
- 22:49forward about a sealed alliance. Though, Like the thing that I thought was
- 22:53really uh really surprising was how he said how much people were telling him they
- 23:02wanted sealed alliance. So like these events, so either one of two things
- 23:07is true, right, Either like us this group here and the people we
- 23:12talk to at these events, because we get a lot of these events like
- 23:17either we're more insular than I thought and we're not actually talking to as many
- 23:21people as I thought we were. Are is just a complete misunderstanding from Michael
- 23:27as to what, like what he's getting this is the hell they're willing to
- 23:33die on. Well, but but I mean, I guess but see,
- 23:38wait, you think you think there's like, no, he gets it that
- 23:41this is not like he's like, I know, I don't know. I'm
- 23:51going to disagree. I'm here to disagree a disagree. I want to Seal
- 23:55Alliance. There are several people that I have communicated with and heard talk to
- 24:00them that Sealed Alliance is one of the things that brought them back to KeyForge
- 24:04or made them interested again. There are a lot of people really a lot
- 24:11like it. But but like I'm talking like ratios, percentages, do we
- 24:15think it's more? I think they're more vocal about liking the new thing than
- 24:21those curmudgeons saying we don't like the new thing or we really want our old
- 24:26thing back. I do think the people who really like Sealed Alliance are more
- 24:30vocal about telling them that than the people who are just like, yeah,
- 24:33I'm playing this, but I'd rather have regular sealed back. I think people
- 24:36just wanted sealed got it. I just said I didn't like, I didn't
- 24:42specify got it. So when I go to Vault Tour, I need to
- 24:45be more vocal about wanting just regular, good old fashioned sealed back. Understand.
- 24:52Also, the one piece of data they have, which, mind you,
- 24:57this whole group here, I'm the only person who played actual sealed Now.
- 25:03I think that had a lot to do with three deck versus one deck.
- 25:06Well, yeah, that's that's the thing. We were bribes to play
- 25:10the new thing, and you wanted to try the new thing. I'm sure
- 25:12when they made new coke and they were like, hey, do you want
- 25:15to try this new coke, the people were like, I'll try it.
- 25:18But then did they ever buy it again? Right? Like guys, guys,
- 25:22guys, pump the brakes. You also have to remember that nobody had
- 25:29played Sealed Alliance to that point, had and I already knew it was bad.
- 25:37I had, So what I found interesting is the idea that when they
- 25:41put Alliance together, they didn't really realize how popular Sealed a Lions would be.
- 25:48They just that was an insight that was gained afterwards. That was a
- 25:52really that was a little surprise. Well, let's talk about Sealed Alliance as
- 26:04a top level event at at the point and you're playing a Vault tour,
- 26:08I think you should have the sposs to be able to plan it. It's
- 26:11totally inappropriate for prelease events. It is totally inappropriate. So we we all
- 26:18we all agree a lot. Yeah, we're fine. We all agree that
- 26:22it is inappropriate for when you're releasing brand new event. I would also say,
- 26:27I'm very curious how three decks will be versus two as we add in
- 26:33three new pods and now you have a total of nine pods that choose from.
- 26:37Because man, some analysis paralysis has happened as we are looking at potential
- 26:41possibilities with two deck. So there is only so much time that is given
- 26:47to you in these We played two deck at the original it was it.
- 26:56Yeah, if you say so, yep, over there with my one.
- 27:00Let's talk about what twenty twenty four op is going to look like, or
- 27:03at least what we're told it's going to look like. Slide show please in
- 27:07store play to support regular keyboards players at LGS Ghost Galaxy will soon be offering
- 27:14in store play kits to interested retailers. These kits are depended to facilitate regular
- 27:21in store play and will contain materials to promote the game, as well as
- 27:23prizes and various goodies for players. Get your chain Teckers here, Chain track
- 27:29is here, Get your chain Trekers. We will have pre release events prior
- 27:34to the commercial release of each new keyboard set. LGS patroons will a be
- 27:38able to enjoy a first look via the keyboards pre release event. Next one
- 27:42will be Groomerbinders, slotted for February twenty third, twenty twenty four. Dates
- 27:49date is eights cheap dates carry by your LGS. Now that we can actually
- 27:57sign up for something that it's a little better, but that we don't actually
- 28:03know what we're buying. Is you're buying reminders? Yay, I understand.
- 28:08What do you not what do you not know you're buying? You're buying prei
- 28:11release kits. What's in the pre release kit probably the same thing that was
- 28:15in the last twenty twenty chain trackers probably or some twenty ninety trackers. I
- 28:22wouldn't very much like to know that because if it's twenty twenty changing trackers.
- 28:26I am buying zero. If it's something else new and interesting, maybe we
- 28:32get them. I don't know you're buying them either way. I am not
- 28:37because you pay extra for you are getting. No, you don't. It's
- 28:41forty bucks. I am. Actually my store right now isn't even ordering a
- 28:44store Championship kit real well, I think that is because we have some others.
- 28:49We don't know what's going on with it well enough to make our decisions.
- 28:52We know most of it. I guess we don't know what the battle
- 28:56test of the thing is and we know you would again are using on released
- 29:03legit information that I don't think is the actual kit. That kit has nothing
- 29:07to do with supporting three formats, two of this, four of that.
- 29:12I don't think that's the actual store Championship kit. We will talk about store
- 29:18champs next. I will say, I'm going to bounce to the newest article
- 29:22that literally released today. Wins of Exchange sold out, and so that is
- 29:27just from gg's printing standpoint. You can still get it from distributors and kind
- 29:32of reach out there. But that actually, uh is important because a lot
- 29:37of people are starting to get their groom reminders here their notice, sheeps,
- 29:44did you get your shipping notice? Mine delivers tomorrow, folks. Michael Michael
- 29:49Hurley will be at Star giving him his reminders tomorrow. I will have a
- 29:56jam l MTL sucks deck. Is that what you did? That is what
- 30:02I did? Nice? Nice? All? Right? Now I say that
- 30:06I have not gotten my shipping notice, but I think that they did a
- 30:10much better job at trying to ship out to Europe and to Asia and to
- 30:15Australia to be able to go ahead and have those earlier, and then they
- 30:18held onto it. I think the idea of telling us wasn't necessarily the best.
- 30:22But right now, if we're all getting it around this period, as
- 30:26this is January eighteenth compared to where we were last year, this is phenomenal
- 30:30and a huge, huge, huge clause to GG four delivering and making sure
- 30:34that we can get it here in January. So if people are starting to
- 30:37get it in January, that is awesome, And I actually think a pre
- 30:41release event then four groom reminders at the end of February. Is it's viable
- 30:48for stores to be able to have that event? Do we want some more
- 30:52data and some more information as to what's there? Yes, I think that
- 30:56is been consistent with the articles. We'd like a little bit more information,
- 31:00but I like that they gave us a date. We have something to look
- 31:03forward to, and woe is basically is done. So get your woe from
- 31:08your stores now while you can, which is again where we want to send
- 31:11people to grab more woe. All right. Twenty twenty four Store Championships Store
- 31:18championships formed the foundation level of competitive key Forge play. They are intended as
- 31:22primary tournament events for LGS key Forge communities. Your lgs will be able to
- 31:29compete. Complete sign ups for Store Championships starting today by navigating to this link.
- 31:36Anybody open it? Yeah, doesn't lead me. Actually some weird like
- 31:40rickrold Page. Yeah. We actually pushed this with our retailers trying, yea,
- 31:45anyone, just a joke, just a joke. It swung and missed
- 31:51wildly, but it's just a joke each, so we're we're used to this.
- 31:56Yeah, I got it. Each here, Thank you. Each LGS
- 32:01is expected to round their Store Championship between March first and March thirty first.
- 32:06As a player. If you are excited about attending Keyboards Store Championships at your
- 32:09lgs. Don't hesitate to let your store know about the doors market for please
- 32:16do? I mean we are small and that's what's there. But if you
- 32:19follow the link boys, because I think there's a lot more information in that
- 32:22section. Okay, we have store Championships between March first and the thirty first,
- 32:28we can see what it will cost. We do know that fifty dollars
- 32:31US plus shipping. Okay, was it last time? Forty Stork champions?
- 32:39This is never mind no, no, no, no, I don't mind
- 32:42scratch that, no starre champ, don't don't listen to me. I'm thinking
- 32:45pre release. I'm on a totally different game plan. But I think what's
- 32:50really interesting will cause quite a bit of discussion is Store Championships are base level
- 32:55events that are considered the foundational level of competitive KeyForge organized play. Because looking
- 33:01at the Cartoony Bropner art they used for this, but but KEI doesn't feel
- 33:09but they're gonna consist of three tournaments featured the supported Ghost Galaxy official tournaments formats.
- 33:16These formats are ARCon, Alliance and Sealed. That has been the discussion.
- 33:22They're gonna consist of three tournaments for your store championship. So what's the
- 33:25problem. No, No, like, that's different. I mean typically when
- 33:30we had Starre Championships in the past, it was just here's our coon and
- 33:35like, so that is that's our championships. You could have we had ram
- 33:38could you could? You could choose, right, you could choose. But
- 33:43this is run all three correct, you can run them separately. I yes,
- 33:50that says you can run it across all today's Could you imagine, like
- 33:52our store, we show off and we'd be like, all right, store
- 33:53championships all three of to day, and I'll be like, I'm gonna be
- 33:57sitting over there with fraud all by myself. No way is gonna play with
- 34:00me. Sid He's gonna be there with with some alliance stag I'll buy yourself
- 34:04and the rest of you're gonna be playing sealed. Yep, I'm star champ
- 34:07like default. Yep, sure that's true. That's not true. Will show
- 34:14up with something that will counter fraud just to beat me, probably alight with
- 34:19pennies and Nichols, and he will he will claim, hold on, we
- 34:24gotta tease him about this because he did struggle this week. Those pennies,
- 34:29which are actually damage, will also turn from damage to amber or amber to
- 34:37damage. What what was it this week that we love you, Jason.
- 34:39It's fun we get to tease now he does. No, no, it
- 34:45changed. It did impact him on a show to get him to get some
- 34:49member tokens. It did only impact local cars, so we're really fine with
- 34:52this anyway. Oh yeah, well, yeah, all right. Summer Special
- 34:57Events. The Summer Special Event is a special key happening activated by Ghost Galaxies
- 35:05each Summer participation with your lgs. The twenty twenty four Summer of Special Event
- 35:10will be a storyline event that allows players to take an active role in shaping
- 35:15the story of the Crucible. This game has a story. Yeah well this
- 35:22will take the form of special event kept containing the fun and surprising materials required
- 35:27for players to make their mark on key Forge history. More information about it
- 35:30in twenty twenty four. Summer Special Event will be forthcoming this April. I'm
- 35:39hoping for a lot on this, I mean I am. I'm looking forward
- 35:42to it. I would now cheap when we had our Mac Warrior events for
- 35:46their storyline events, and they did impact, like how I saw some of
- 35:52the story unfolding. I enjoyed that, so for me, this is something
- 35:54where I would love to see it impact a house here. Bring a deck
- 35:59that has one of these two houses, but you can't have both. And
- 36:02I really do want to see something where it's tallied online, where we can
- 36:06see as the month goes on, which house is going to be in or
- 36:08which house is going to be out. I think we need to have it
- 36:10communicated ahead of time. But this could be a really neat event that basically
- 36:16spans the whole world and we can have an impact on what's happening. I
- 36:22think it'll be cool. All right, Playstyles Access you can get Playstyle Software.
- 36:28I don't know what this said. Keyboards worked in partnership with play Style
- 36:30Software not only to directly support official Keyboard tournaments complete with deck and Vault master
- 36:36integration, but have been working to support retail promotions and events scheduling within its
- 36:42retail and event locator tools. Coming soon later this year, we plan for
- 36:47both players and retailers to be able to create events and run tournaments directly in
- 36:52play Styles. Where is the is the play Styles holding the event locator?
- 36:58Yes? Why is it not the master vault because where the tournament stuff is?
- 37:07Okay, I'm an not have Master Vault accounts, and because their future
- 37:12games will use play Style but not the Master Vault. That's why. Okay,
- 37:15but if I'm a new player, Hi, I'm a new player,
- 37:19how do I find out where these tournaments are being held? Well, you
- 37:22would imagine there's going to be a link in the Master Vault that says mind
- 37:27events here, and it just brings you to play style. You would think,
- 37:30tbd, who knows what we just I just want to actually gets implemented.
- 37:39Just that's all I wanted. I like the idea of a store locator,
- 37:45But how it's actually gonna be rolled out, we don't know yet.
- 37:50All Right, twenty twenty four Vault tours, they will be happening large dedicated
- 37:59key for I've hosted in geographically distinct areas and the largest global blah blah blah
- 38:02blah blah, something about merchandise. All right. The first Vault Tour will
- 38:07be in Roseville, Minnesota, April fifth, the seventh, twenty twenty four.
- 38:17Okay, sheep, cheep's a little bit a little bit frustrated, you'll
- 38:21hear, why, but where it's good news that we have this now,
- 38:24in my opinion, this statement right strated because he can't go. That is
- 38:30exactly it. But here's here's where I think this, this sheet right here
- 38:34with op should have been what was released literally at Worlds. But you have
- 38:40the hype, you have the build up right here, we can know where
- 38:44Roseville is. You're right back in April fifth through seventh. Now look for
- 38:49more to come cheap. That would have saved you, because why can you
- 38:52not be there April fifth through seventh because that's my kids spring break and we
- 38:57scheduled a vacation then because because did you think that we would have a VT
- 39:04that early? I did not think we would have a VT that early.
- 39:07And did you think that it would be like I should not schedule something in
- 39:14April because of Vault tours. I mean, Minnesota wouldn't be that bad to
- 39:19change planes now because it's my drivable Vault tour and now I don't get to
- 39:25go. I'm sure there will be another one in Minnesota. Don't worry,
- 39:30Yeah, don't worry. Geographically diverse is going to be the front room,
- 39:37the back room, the side room. They might they might have one on
- 39:43the city. The war gaming tables and that mm hmm. That's almost as
- 39:50much stir as I saw from Josh going ahead and posting, hey, where's
- 39:53a large game shop down in this state in our discover and everyone jumping like,
- 39:59hey, hey hey we we we can hold you, we can hold
- 40:01this many tables like I, I honestly do think that going ahead and using
- 40:07game stores that are larger if you can partner. There are other games that
- 40:10have done it. It's a great choice versus investing in venues like Live did
- 40:16where there's just a loss of money. Now you will pay for some of
- 40:20it, but there's a huge advantage for the store and it can be a
- 40:23nice partnership. So I would love to see it. But we'll have to
- 40:28see what Vault tour is coming towards you guys. Yeah, one in Milwaukee,
- 40:32probably not the this weekend. Global and geographical hubs like Draft Corps that's
- 40:44right. Hell yeah, So I don't know where Solarly lives. Just docks
- 40:52myself on air these somewhere somewhere, so the uh so I don't know that
- 41:00I can actually go to this April fifth through seventh, because that we too.
- 41:07Man, it's the eclipse. We are actually have a hotel booked to
- 41:13watch a family Yeah, man, are you in are you in the actual
- 41:20line where yeah, well not in my house. That's why we're yes,
- 41:24yes, So we're actually going to Lake Champlain. We have like we're going
- 41:29to be like on the lake for the eclipse. It's probably gonna be cold,
- 41:32but it's gonna be really cool. So kids, yeah, yeah,
- 41:38whole family. I should. It's like it's only like an hour from from
- 41:45Montreal, so it's pretty close, right, going going to Minnesota. It's
- 41:53me j R. And John. I really want to go. I don't
- 41:58know if I can, Like I was trying to figure out, like what
- 42:00if I like, like, what if it is a Friday sealed and then
- 42:06I leave on Saturday, the fly to Albany and get picked up while my
- 42:10family is driving up. This sounds like a terrible idea. All right,
- 42:15let's move forward and sheep cheap hold on. Please know that mac Bunny did
- 42:22ask to go ahead and run ping fraud since you were out, so we've
- 42:28already put DIBs on. Multiple people are expecting frad has already been dibbed.
- 42:31No worries, guys, see there there you go. But Wookie, when
- 42:37you're going to have it and run and forward, you missed. They get
- 42:39access to special key Forge merchandise by these ball tours. Yeah yeah, you
- 42:46also, are we going to talk about the next paragraph. I'm working on
- 42:51it if we'd all be quiet. All right? Wait, who got DIBs
- 42:54on fraud? M you you did? Okay? I was gonna say,
- 42:59did somebody getta for me? Those fuckers? Thank you for your donation.
- 43:04Yeah yeah. In twenty twenty three, Ghost Galaxies offered cash prizes to Vault
- 43:12Tour winners. However, this did not have the energizing effect required to warrant
- 43:16continuation and feedback from key Forge communities. Largely was that cash prizes did not
- 43:22feel meaningful or necessary. In twenty twenty four, Vaults all stop stop there
- 43:29because I think I know that this community, We've seen it go back and
- 43:32forth and tell you I could see a reduction in the money. I don't
- 43:38think the total amount hold time, what was there? No, but listen,
- 43:43listen to be there. Okay, I'll know it doesn't need to be
- 43:45there, but I'm still saying seeing it completely gone and from eliminated from your
- 43:52worlds, then that your whoever wins worlds doesn't even have money. I think
- 43:59long term that is not good for our game. They didn't say they didn't
- 44:01never bring it back, like no, but they didn't say that they're there
- 44:06and everyone's jumping in, Oh, they're going to use the money for marketing.
- 44:08Man, they haven't done anything with marketing that's more money that it's just
- 44:13gone use the money. So they in the red. Yeah, that is
- 44:17what the crazy story. But here's here's the thing. Originally I said cash
- 44:22needed to be I thought I thought it was something that would drive people out,
- 44:25that would get players to the game. It did not, like just
- 44:30straight up numbers did not increase at at like Vault Tour to Vault to her
- 44:37just because cash was there did not make more people come out. So I
- 44:44mean many of us went too many. Did you meet a single person at
- 44:49a Vault to her who was new to key Forge, which I did,
- 44:52that also said I'm here because there's cash prizes. No, No, like
- 44:57there were There are like one or two people that I kind of know of
- 45:01that got into key Forage after Vault Warrior was announced, but never having the
- 45:07fruition. Yeah, but they're not really around anymore. I will say that
- 45:15there was a core group of us that made multiple vaults, and I think
- 45:21that the elimination of cash prizes really cuts down on individuals being able to do
- 45:25that. To come out for a box. I'm sorry, and we don't
- 45:29even know what We don't know what it is because they're only because only because
- 45:35they put it in the first place. The only reason they can't get rid
- 45:37of it or it's hard to get rid of it they did get rid of
- 45:39it is because they put it in. If they had never put it in
- 45:43in the first place, nobody'd be like. But what I'm saying, DRez,
- 45:49you would not have had the same amount of They tried to do it
- 45:52to attract people, but what it did is it brought a group of individuals
- 45:55out to multiple vaults. I don't think I think that's why I think that
- 46:01it is. He wouldn't have come as many if there was I'm telling you
- 46:06what I really I'm telling you, Yes, I would not have been able
- 46:08to go to as many without the cash that was there. And I think
- 46:12that you're going to see that it's going to turn into some more localized vaults,
- 46:16which I'm perfectly fine with. Key forges will do very very well with
- 46:20that. But I'm telling you, I don't think we're going to see as
- 46:22many individuals going ahead and traveling prove me wrong. This is great for the
- 46:27community. But I'm telling you I think I think that I'm talking about that
- 46:32core group that went to multiple vaults. You're you're un A lot of them
- 46:38aren't going to be going to much this year, so I can go ahead
- 46:43and tele But but it was more than Team says too. You saw a
- 46:47number of individuals from two of your more competitive groups that are just it is
- 46:55not necessarily there. I will leave it at that, but I think the
- 47:00prizes did help people to go ahead and say, hey, I'll invest in
- 47:02this game. I'll go ahead and acquire this deck, and that could be
- 47:06really good for us. But I'm telling you right now, I can say
- 47:09I will not be going to as many because I just don't see anything pay
- 47:14out unless the deck. Okay, and you can read the next what they're
- 47:17looking at instead? Are you sure? And then I can talk about that.
- 47:22Therefore, the twenty twenty four Vault Tour and the twenty twenty four World
- 47:25Championship will not feature cash prizes. Instead, alternate prizes and honors are planned
- 47:31that we hope will bring smiles to players faces. The lack of here's what's
- 47:42happening. But the less pause, they haven't figured that out yet. They
- 47:49haven't quite they haven't quite hammered out like what they're going to give out yet,
- 47:53which is that's that's where the problem is. Like all of this we
- 47:58know takes time and cash. Prizing was a little bit easier, and that
- 48:02there is something that was there. It here, I can sign this out
- 48:07and it did help when you were going ahead and pulling back some of the
- 48:12costs for these vaults. Vaults. Attending a vault is not just here's a
- 48:15cheap piece. There are some Like for US Minnesota was cheaper because we could
- 48:19drive to it, but when I came out to Philly, even with staying
- 48:22over with Drazz, there was additional fees that went into that trip. I
- 48:29don't we need from my house, you know, no, but we need
- 48:35we need some of the prizing to be meaningful. We've talked about FAB that
- 48:38if you can go to a FAB event and then turn around and take some
- 48:40of that prizes and it can curb some of the cost. I enjoy hanging
- 48:45out with our key Forge community well, and there's a lot of joy there,
- 48:50but if it's just a pure joy I think we're Nick Dras and I
- 48:55are just not on that side of the thing because we don't sell the crap
- 49:01we win. We also don't particularly air if we win or not, Like
- 49:10it's the experience of the event, that's what we're paying to go to,
- 49:16you know, like I so you're willing to pay for a again. This
- 49:21is why I say it's going to be my very vault. I could in
- 49:23the twenty nineteen season when you didn't win anything, and we also saw you
- 49:29show up in the middle of a snowstorm. Like there's some fanaticism that's here.
- 49:32It doesn't make it that it is. Yeah, but that doesn't everybody's
- 49:37on your side. Where I'm not saying about because there's money and prizes,
- 49:42I'm not, but I'm saying that I do think because a number of people
- 49:45of voice, Oh, it's not going to be that. I mean,
- 49:47and there's a number of people of voice that the people who come out because
- 49:51of the money and the amount they're investing to play and the qualities and things,
- 49:54doesn't make for a better event either. Like that, they're both.
- 49:59They're all valid to some extent and day right. The main point that you
- 50:08know, you guys had talking last year about the vaults when they announced only
- 50:13cash prizing is They're like, hey, I mean a majority of the people
- 50:15that attend aren't walking away with cool things to remember this buy or maybe that's
- 50:20they want to say a lot of people were bothered by We need the majority
- 50:23of people to walk away with something. I agree with you. Do you
- 50:28walked away with three decks this year? Yep? Yeah, I mean not
- 50:36gonna lie. I'm kind of happy cash prizing is gone. An expense that
- 50:40didn't need to put out there. Was it nice shirt? Did it need
- 50:45happen? I'm sure would be nice to win some of that money. It
- 50:51It helps, It helps to be able to curb when you're coming out on
- 50:54the longer trap. I'm just gonna say, I mean, yeah, if
- 50:58if you're in that level of money where that is part of thing, which
- 51:02there are plenty of people that that does effect, but that but it's not
- 51:13everybody. Again, it's a number and an amount that you can't define or
- 51:17not but again, define what number is it that makes it so people can
- 51:22actually come out and go. And the fact that is at the Good events,
- 51:25only eight out of the one hundred people showing up are actually doing anything,
- 51:30which means if you're planning to get that, you're either full of yourself
- 51:36or your Z or your novah. It's not a it's not a matter of
- 51:39planning for it. I'm telling you. It helps to deviate the cost and
- 51:44expense for them, but only if you actually win anything. But the top
- 51:49eight, again, you had options. I think it should again, I
- 51:54think the top eight should have had it if you let me finish. Top
- 51:59four is where it paid out. But top four basically paid for your trip
- 52:01unless you're going an exorbitant distance. It was very, very very close to
- 52:07being able to break even. I mean your your expected value is not super
- 52:15high, right, so I mean it was probabilistic, so your expected value
- 52:19is more than zero, and there was payout, but your expected value was
- 52:27nowhere near the costs of the travel. So now there's the psychological Oh but
- 52:31I could pay for this, but really you had to be able to pay
- 52:36for it to go, like if you were counting on it. This isn't
- 52:40This isn't after effect of Hey I did well, I had a great weekend
- 52:45and this helped. But it's not it's not a psychology. Anyone's counting on
- 52:49it it's a bonus afterwards. Cash prizes replaced the need for ascension because the
- 52:54fact that I'm not winning money, but I've already spent all my money going
- 52:58means i can't go to more events, so I've been ascended out. Anyways,
- 53:01this is exact value. This is why I'm saying the ets will be
- 53:06closer to being more localized than what you saw in the past year, which
- 53:09can be a good thing for KeyForge. But that's not what even happened in
- 53:14nineteen when there wasn't prizes. I'm telling you you saw a lot of the
- 53:17same people going ahead and placing high in both nineteen and here. Yeah,
- 53:23so I don't know why you think it's going to change that much. Right,
- 53:27suddenly, give us the maths. You were going to give us the
- 53:29maths. Give us the math I was going to give you the math saying
- 53:32every game is a coin flip. Right, If you go in and then
- 53:36you have a fifty person tournament, maybe split between ark on a fifty person
- 53:40ark on fifty percent alliance because there's a ten thousand pool. Say you play
- 53:45in both like it happened at that one vault. You're expected of value is
- 53:47only two hundred dollars if I did the math right, which I expected that.
- 53:52It is pretty easy if you playing both right. But you can't play
- 53:57both right. So wow, it's that one event. Well, it made
- 54:00the mat you that high, it's got to be lower than that. It's
- 54:02two hundred dollars for fifty person playing in both events and so yeah. So
- 54:09so if you cut it so, you're you're only expecting to make two hundred
- 54:14dollars by going to there. So if your travels more than two hundred dollars,
- 54:17you've expected values not there, which means anything more than local mctual.
- 54:22Surprised even that high. But that's why you're doing the maths so right,
- 54:28right, I mean two hundred dollars, that's that's one night at the hotel.
- 54:35H Now, if you split that and uh, you get you know,
- 54:38Chainsaw Wookie with you that you're gonna spend a lot less but my cuddle
- 54:45buddy this year. But I think this is where it really comes down to.
- 54:50In the AC live show, you can see if the swag is good
- 54:52enough, we're seeing the ask to be there. And and I do agree
- 54:58that going ahead and offering the swag to everyone who can potentially keep it or
- 55:02sell it, gives other options, but we have too many options right now,
- 55:07right now, if you get just a box and that box is not
- 55:13worth your time, I'm sorry, but an eighty dollars box, I cannot
- 55:16go ahead and resell. I can't. There were multiple boxes that we could
- 55:22get for woe sitting at eighty dollars this year, so it's not it was
- 55:28very brief, but even one hundred dollars. That one hundred dollars is not
- 55:31going to go ahead and turn around that you're making another one hundred dollars.
- 55:35When When when did you become a person who only plays games because there's prizes?
- 55:40I'm not, but I'm telling you if you've never been about prize,
- 55:44but there are people who come out in and incentivizis we want to listen for
- 55:50people that you think want prizes. I'm not. I'm not thinking. We
- 55:53want to be able to increase what the prizes are, and unfortunately, Gigi's
- 56:01run last year proved that that is an area that needs to be in increased
- 56:07drastically, and I believe they will hopefully. The biggest thing I'm seeing here
- 56:13right now is EU players being all pissy because we don't know if they're good.
- 56:17Did they say anything about travel vouchers for first place? No? They
- 56:22nothing. The other big takeaway was what you just said. Last year I
- 56:30qualified going second for Worlds. Right now it is simply listed as first,
- 56:35and that is a huge change. That's a massive change, And I cannot
- 56:42stress that enough because the finals was a pretty chill, relaxed event of hey,
- 56:46we both qualify, We're going to Worlds. Like, that's awesome.
- 56:50I'm looking forward to it. But now you like, there's so many things
- 56:53that can go wrong just to get into the top eight, let alone into
- 56:58the top four, top two. But now you have to just be that
- 57:01one person just so I don't like. I don't like that change. I
- 57:06don't. Let's look at those numbers quick though. So say they want to
- 57:08run thirty two player events again next year, right, and now there's going
- 57:15to be three of them, So it's ninety six players that they have to
- 57:19sit. Right. Unless there is double the number of events that have qualifiers
- 57:29this year as last year, there will be less people available to phillies,
- 57:35which means there would be instead of having to be top twenty in the last
- 57:38chance qualifier, you're gonna be like top fifty five would be getting seats or
- 57:44something silly like that unless they double the number of qualifying events, which is
- 57:47why what I don't go to any of the vaults, save my money and
- 57:51just go to Minnesota for the last Chance qualifier. Like that's but again,
- 57:57like this, this is the thing where you're de valuing the experience of the
- 58:02vault, that going and playing in a vault has no value outside of getting
- 58:06the prize. It needs to be it needs to go ahead and be raised
- 58:14Dan. It has to be a balance where right now, going ahead and
- 58:16putting too many people in in our last chance qualifier actually devalues the vaults.
- 58:22And so it's a really happy medium that we have to do. I'm not
- 58:25arguing that by any means, Like I'm with you, like the the value
- 58:31of the vaults needs to be more than just breaking rights that I run a
- 58:37vault. I'm with them where I don't. Although I would have never been
- 58:44said to win cash, I would have not been that excited because it just
- 58:52goes back into this point, not point. Let's put this for me,
- 58:58and I know I'm not everybody else, but it just goes back into the
- 59:00bucket of moneies that I can spend, and it's not like three months later,
- 59:07I don't go like, look at my this. Nope, it's still
- 59:10just it just goes back into the nebulous bucket of money. Because all I
- 59:15gotta say is they're better be championship belt. We're at an hour. We
- 59:17need to keep pushing forward. National championships. They're gonna happen. Key Forge
- 59:24National Championships for US will be at gen Con in early August, as it
- 59:30was last year. National Championships will take place between August first and September thirtieth,
- 59:37and then obviously they're gonna have more information National Championships coming in March.
- 59:43World Championships will be November seventh through the tenth in Shucker, Roseville, Minnesota.
- 59:52Let's see how to get in. World Championship invites are earned by winning
- 59:57twenty twenty four national Championships or vault. Those players who won the twenty twenty
- 1:00:00three Open or Arkon or Alliance World Championships are invited with their respective formats to
- 1:00:07the twenty twenty four World Championships. So oh okay. Those players who won
- 1:00:13the twenty twenty three are Con or Alliance Open are invited. Finally, last
- 1:00:17chance qualifiers will be held in twenty twenty three. This is the same thing,
- 1:00:24right, non so instead non cash but still wonderful prizes and honors will
- 1:00:31be bestowed upon World Championships finalists in twenty twenty four. Yeah. I mean,
- 1:00:36if they are wonderful, people will start to forget about the cash.
- 1:00:42They got to be pretty good, though, they do have to be pretty
- 1:00:44good. I agree with your locke, the prizes need to be pretty good.
- 1:00:47Like you can't just be like, can's your change? They can do
- 1:00:52it. Custom Gigi jerseys that is pretty wonderful. One Canet's favorite online.
- 1:01:00Maybe maybe it's a signed Janet jersey. The mythical twenty two prizing that never
- 1:01:07existed. Yeah uh, we kind of already really went into store championships,
- 1:01:15so we could probably dig further into that another day. So tell your store
- 1:01:21to order pre champ I'm sorry, tell your store to order store championship stuff.
- 1:01:25And Dan has already said the artwork looks weird. Yeah, wait what
- 1:01:34artwork? Maybe maybe key Forge cartoon coming and that's just a clip from it.
- 1:01:38Maybe it's not true, but going to be one of my cards.
- 1:01:45All right, New restricted list has popped out. No, you got more
- 1:01:52than enough for another day? Man, I think, so you want to
- 1:01:55want to cut it here? Yeah, yeah, I can say restricted list.
- 1:01:59So that's why one thing I will say, new restricted list has popped
- 1:02:02up. Make sure you check it out. Notable entries or the new entries
- 1:02:07I guess are a fuddled kronos fof transponder, halifast and furnace and legionary trainer.
- 1:02:13Not going to dig too much into that. What else do we have?
- 1:02:17New tournament guidelines and rules have popped up, so go, we'll go
- 1:02:22into that another day. Finally, winds of Exchange do we cover? I
- 1:02:27think I feel like we've covered. Wind of Exchange is sold? Like has
- 1:02:30no more? So Dan has your three hundred dollars boxes of winds of Exchange
- 1:02:35because Groom Reminders is going to be a dud. Set there I said,
- 1:02:42it's going to be a dud. It's in blue package. I take it's
- 1:02:47gonna it's in blue packaging. Doud. Yeah you don't know what else you's
- 1:02:52been wrong? Fine, Yeah, that's right. So I'm just saying,
- 1:02:58like, God, I just I get the feeling it's gonna just all be
- 1:03:02dex But instead of it's gonna be boo And what's the key cheat spooge key
- 1:03:10spooche Oh yeah at times? Is that really what it was called? Yep,
- 1:03:16spooky spooky or the ecto charge. Well it's now in forever. Yeah,
- 1:03:22it's ecto charge, isn't it. It's now in forever called spooge key.
- 1:03:31So so, by the way, the fact that the Winds of Exchange
- 1:03:36sold out, so it is good news, I think it's it's good news.
- 1:03:42Well in some ways it's like, yeah, it is sold right,
- 1:03:43but I think it is a little bit more of their model can be effective,
- 1:03:50which is in some ways that's like the best I think this is because
- 1:03:55this is also true if Winds of Exchange isn't buried next of the et cartridges,
- 1:04:01Well that's true, right, So we're we're we're we're trusting that this
- 1:04:04is this isn't spin. But they have the ability to print. Yeah,
- 1:04:11so this is a print on demand sort of like it's their artiforge. So
- 1:04:15they can print segments chunks, right, and they can much more carefully control
- 1:04:21this printing process. It probably is more expensive for them the print there than
- 1:04:26it is to print in China and ship it over on a boat, they
- 1:04:30get stuck in the Suez Canal, but they can control it much more so
- 1:04:35you don't have unsold decks filling up shelves. And so this I think is
- 1:04:44saying, hey, they can control their costs and just print at the level
- 1:04:49at which they can at least sell to distributors. And so now their only
- 1:04:54problem is all the AOA out there, which is why Martian Generosi is still
- 1:04:58here. But we'll talk about that another time. I just want to say
- 1:05:02it's a time for you guys to all pay up. At the end of
- 1:05:06last episode, I saidn't putting money down that we're not going to talk about
- 1:05:10Grimande's cards. Yeah, oh yeah, this is true. I mean,
- 1:05:13we all knew you were right. Hold on, hold on, let's just
- 1:05:16let's take a little deeper to that one episode. That's true because I hadn't
- 1:05:24had a beautiful and hey, shout out to my brother who's getting into key
- 1:05:30for man, they didn't see nothing. That's right, Well, I guess,
- 1:05:38And then the next day the op news came, Actually we do all
- 1:05:43who we do all owe money to? Who's that? You me? Still
- 1:05:46Draft Corps? Probably yes, of course. Why however, Dress Corps Draftscore
- 1:05:53went a little too deep with his predictions. Did I I believe you said
- 1:05:58we would be talking about it on the eighteenth? Oh yeah, I did
- 1:06:02say that. Now, I said Josh was going to announce it here.
- 1:06:04Now, however it was released on the twelfth. Well, you know,
- 1:06:09so if Bob Barker rules in effect, you are over. But you know
- 1:06:15we release we record on Thursdays. Yeah, so why do we owe Josh
- 1:06:19money? I mean because we need grim Reminders decks? Did we buy it?
- 1:06:25Did he buy me a drink last time we were out there? Probably?
- 1:06:29Maybe I do all money? I don't know, possible, Jaz.
- 1:06:32When you were talking about the amount of decks that have been printed, have
- 1:06:35you guys looked at how many decks for Wins of Exchange have been scanned?
- 1:06:40Or that's what I wanted at all? Yeah about there now, because like
- 1:06:46being sold out. It's like, well if I make ten and I sell
- 1:06:49all ten, and I'm like, well who sold out? Like is that
- 1:06:53a great you know what I mean? Well, so like I said,
- 1:06:56no, it's not. It's I think it's because their model is potentially working
- 1:07:01that they can print the amount they need and then that's it, right,
- 1:07:05So that that and that's my question. Happens now? Okay, So now
- 1:07:11I'm a new player and I want to get some winds of exchange. Now
- 1:07:14I just pay an observant amount of like that is like going to stop people
- 1:07:18from possibly opening decks. Well right, right, Like okay, but okay,
- 1:07:27but here's the deal, right, we've seen bad sets, right remember
- 1:07:30DT? Remember how bad that was? DT worse set, DT worse set.
- 1:07:36Right, So if you have a flop of a set, I forgot
- 1:07:41where the hell it was going with this, I don't know, you just
- 1:07:43print more of the previous one then, right, right? Is that possible
- 1:07:47though? Like can they just be like all right, we're just going to
- 1:07:49go back and print a whole bunch of like if you're a flop of the
- 1:07:53set and you need to go and like, so I'm a new player,
- 1:07:56and so what my option? Basically, let's just seeoretically, right, I
- 1:08:00remember my point? Theoretically for a new player, just stroll with me down
- 1:08:04this thought path, and my only option right now is to buy Grim Reminders.
- 1:08:11But Grimmer Minders is who you can. You can still get CODA and
- 1:08:15m M at retail, right, yeah, yeah, anyway, much below
- 1:08:19retail, right. But we live in a world where my options are Woe
- 1:08:26and Whoe and DT are Grim Reminders, And that is I mean, for
- 1:08:31Sealed, they did go ahead and post that you'll be choosing from the latest
- 1:08:34two sets, giving some exceptions, you know, if the newest set isn't
- 1:08:39available to kind of go back to the previous set. I'm just saying that
- 1:08:42they need to be, like your sets now, have to be bangers,
- 1:08:46all of them because for a new player coming really for a new player coming
- 1:08:54into the community and them a d T. Yeah, but no, but
- 1:09:00they let's I mean, they have aspirations of going places right and they want
- 1:09:05to be really good, right, But my options of opening decks are DT.
- 1:09:11It's it's only allowing them pretty much one set. And unless you know
- 1:09:15scalpers like Sheep right, they will say they have to do a better job
- 1:09:18right to or you know, they did they did well with with Woe,
- 1:09:23and I think it seems to me that Grimm Reminders will be good. I
- 1:09:30don't I don't know that it's better than Whoe, but it seems to me
- 1:09:33like it's going to be, you know, worth worth playing now, is
- 1:09:39it? So? I don't think it's going to be as bad as DT
- 1:09:43or or ao A. Now will it be as good as those others more?
- 1:09:48Yeah, I don't know, but time only time will tell. Yeah,
- 1:09:54I'm just saying the problem now the time. The problem I see what
- 1:09:57this happening is. I can't just go back a set and buy some stuff.
- 1:10:01I mean I can hopefully, but like could just go buy some This
- 1:10:09is for sealed and sealed it locks them. No, this is for anything,
- 1:10:12Like I want to go buy an ARCon deck and I'm going to just
- 1:10:15open a bunch of product. But my only option is reminders. Yeah,
- 1:10:20yeah, everybody finds everybody. I see this all over. But grim Reminders
- 1:10:26is so busted. It's better than well, I don't know about that.
- 1:10:30You know how many people said that about AOA, that it was all it's
- 1:10:32going to be better than CODA and then it just so. To give us
- 1:10:38some numbers, I'm gonna give a shut off. Right now. We have
- 1:10:43just under three point two mil Okay decks total decks that have been registered.
- 1:10:47Out of that, you have one point three roughly for Call of the Arcons.
- 1:10:53The next highest set is Age of Ascension coming in it roughly seven hundred
- 1:10:59thousand. So you have to realize that CODA is almost double of what sorry
- 1:11:04AOA is. Almost CODA is almost double of what AOA is. And so
- 1:11:09we've just been tapering back and you've seen that. When you see that,
- 1:11:12you have that AOA still has barely scratched. I think AOA got its first
- 1:11:16vault to her top eight appearances this year. What I am saying is the
- 1:11:21total amount of decks. If you look at I mean, honestly, for
- 1:11:25the last vault, Woe went ahead and dominated pretty consistently, and considering how
- 1:11:30many decks have been opened versus what's there, I think that GG has done
- 1:11:34a great job to make WOE competitive. When you go ahead and look at
- 1:11:38world's collide, they're showing that it's roughly upper five hundreds five hundred thousand.
- 1:11:45Going ahead and looking at your mass mutations, you're going ahead and looking at
- 1:11:49four hundred thousand. Going ahead and look at dark tidings, you get two
- 1:11:54hundred thousand in wins of exchange, as you said, was ninety one thousand,
- 1:11:58roughly. Like to see that you have multiple top eights that are coming
- 1:12:03from winds of exchange and are we're placing very very high and it could be
- 1:12:09open and they were competitive against frankly one point three million decks, Like there's
- 1:12:16there's some real say that new players I think are perfectly fine now but it's
- 1:12:21it's but it's a different model, like the idea of we're going to go
- 1:12:25out and print man, they're not printing nearly as much picture. If there
- 1:12:29was one point three million decks of whoa what you would be seeing and that
- 1:12:33could go for any of the other sets. I think those days are long
- 1:12:36past. But I like the model that they're using. I think it's interesting
- 1:12:42and I do think that we'll give for you. They have to put a
- 1:12:45little bit of fire in these these new sets, but I think we're gonna
- 1:12:48see what's there. They're just going to play differently. It's interesting when you
- 1:12:54everything is evergreen for Arkon, and I say that now for now, but
- 1:13:00right now, is there anything that they'll be so distracted by the band list?
- 1:13:06For Alliance? Maybe we'll actually get to keep uh Arkan? Who knows?
- 1:13:12Never do you feel? Do you do you feel that it was that
- 1:13:15broken this year? I mean we saw representation from a number of sets.
- 1:13:21I'm not gonna say all, but a number Well, no, you didn't
- 1:13:25I feel good about what was going on beside zero DT. Yeah, no,
- 1:13:28no DT, you're no DT. But that spanked Southerly. Ah.
- 1:13:35What dress the nine year old? Or dress dress car? Yeah? Yeah,
- 1:13:42the nine year old. Ye, it's crafty, crafty kid. I
- 1:13:45think it's interesting if you look at the numbers and it does show it's it's
- 1:13:53interesting. It is interesting. But with that being said, we've gone far
- 1:13:57enough. Join us next week where we talk about banning restricted most and likely
- 1:14:00actually nothing's banned, it's just all restricted and uh, I don't know,
- 1:14:06are they You can join me and Ewok. Maybe we're gonna do a thing.
- 1:14:12We're probably gonna do it on a video. Or we are headed to
- 1:14:16the one K Larkana Invitational. I added that last week to make it sound
- 1:14:20better. What yeah, So maybe uh, mister Ewok and I do a
- 1:14:29fun episode about Larkana our experience. Now you might have a video kids in
- 1:14:33a tournament. Uh, you never know. One thousand dollars up for grabs.
- 1:14:41Actually there's five k across the weekend. But I will say, Josh,
- 1:14:45you know so I stepped in. You did a really nice job.
- 1:14:47I appreciate being able to see this outline and it's a step in the right
- 1:14:53direction. We want to see, you know, a few more details,
- 1:14:56but I like the general outline, and we need articles to create content.
- 1:15:01Not necessarily. We still haven't gone through the reminders kind of yeah, we
- 1:15:10haven't. It's been a long time. We're too busy arguing with ourselves,
- 1:15:15that's right. And next week we got to go through the Alliance restricted list.
- 1:15:19I don't think there's any major taint changes be sides for the ones that
- 1:15:23we already talked about for the tournament rules and guidelines. So I'm simply saying,
- 1:15:30mister Josh, if you want to come in and tell us more about
- 1:15:32these upcoming vaults, spoil it here. We will go ahead and gladly invite
- 1:15:38you in to say, hey, here's the key dates. It would be
- 1:15:41wonderful to go ahead and have that because then it allows people to block off
- 1:15:45those dates. I still have the open invitation to CTP to be able to
- 1:15:49talk about some of our questions that we have as well. But I always
- 1:15:54enjoyed being able to li to this show. Nope, but I'm hopeful that
- 1:15:58one day he will and he'll come on on a level of like grumpness from
- 1:16:05like zero, like you know, your first started out with CODO or whatever
- 1:16:09or ten being like your most grumpy you've been. What's what's the current grump?
- 1:16:14What's like, what's the grump level at right now? Yeah? Yeah,
- 1:16:16I'm trying to trying to get a gauge grump level for what Why are
- 1:16:21we grumpy at all? Well? Well that's what I mean. You're always
- 1:16:25grumpy. Why the sheep is? But well, I'm not grumpy. I'm
- 1:16:30glad we got some I'm glad we got some info. I'm disappointed that I
- 1:16:36just realized that I possibly have an alliance deck that might work in twenty twenty
- 1:16:41four and it's missing a card. Now I gotta go find that it's here
- 1:16:45somewhere. I hope. For not being gruppy at all, there was a
- 1:16:49lot of complaining. Is I'm not complaining. It's called construction. It's called
- 1:16:56are you all ready for this show? Content? Constructed criticism. These things
- 1:17:02exist right like, Yes, it's not complaining, it's these are the things
- 1:17:08we need to know to move to the future. Constructive criticism. It's the
- 1:17:15word for twenty twenty four. And next week I will have an agency button
- 1:17:20on standby to play me screaming agency into the microphone every time, So you
- 1:17:28say agency. I mean the big takeaway for me is that the prizing has
- 1:17:31to be significantly better than what we saw, especially with the just going to
- 1:17:38give all the top four is high fives. I don't know. No,
- 1:17:41I'm telling you. If you are not giving prizing to the top eight,
- 1:17:45that's a problem and there needs to be something. There needs to be something
- 1:17:49that everyone is walking away with. I come to a VT. I'm spending
- 1:17:51time and money. Give me a little drink it. I know that you
- 1:17:56are experience. I'm just kidding. I'm over tired. At this point.
- 1:18:03It's ten o'clock. Sheep's checked out. I don't even know what he's doing.
- 1:18:08Yeah, we want to hear Sheep's gump levels. Probably he's probably playing
- 1:18:11mech Warrior right now online. Now I'm playing Keyborg. Okay, perfect,
- 1:18:16where's your grump level? Their Sheep don't have that much grump. I just
- 1:18:26you heard it here. You heard it here first, not that much,
- 1:18:29not that much. Pleasantly content with the level of KeyForge information that is out
- 1:18:35right now, you need to release no more. He's good, no,
- 1:18:39no, we also did just to keep this momentum delivering tomorrow. So that
- 1:18:45could also be just that it is pretty much meeting expectation well, meeting expected
- 1:18:51space level than missing expectations like minimum minimum requirement when you when you meet with
- 1:18:58your managers, like you're not fired a grump for a reason. He is
- 1:19:03an s one on his on his yearly review. Yeah. Sheep also went
- 1:19:09ahead and received an email that he is getting reminders and that she again.
- 1:19:14So you get somebody to buy this pledge forever? Yeah, Kirkman, the
- 1:19:18whole idea for its alliance doesn't mean it's constructive criticism. No, but we
- 1:19:23can't go ahead and just change it to sealed unified sealed and changing a name
- 1:19:28does not equate to sure it does, you know, peasing everyone there we
- 1:19:31wanted, we wanted sealed alliance. Sealed is perfectly fine. But you know,
- 1:19:38I'm happy that it's not the same as sealed. It's not the same,
- 1:19:41but I'm happy we've got something. We got to take baby steps sometimes.
- 1:19:46I just I hope the rumor isn't true that it's going to end up
- 1:19:50on a Friday, because then it's a self fulfilled prophecy for them to be
- 1:19:55like, oh you guys said you wanted Sealed back and Sealed wasn't very well
- 1:19:58attended. Well you put on a Friday when everybody's coming into town, Like,
- 1:20:02I hope that's not the case, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
- 1:20:04I'm gonna put on my positive energy cap right now. Well, and I
- 1:20:10can say, I guess one of the things about that is what time you
- 1:20:14know now that we have sealed, which is again sealed was more casual on
- 1:20:17Friday, But what time are we planning and running sealed? That that information
- 1:20:20there alone would be helpful to be able to know for me, I will
- 1:20:26argue that for Alliance, while it's not my shindig, if it brings in
- 1:20:29some people, great, I still think that having multiple formats splits our community
- 1:20:33and that's not good for us. It also, Alliance is not Alliance sealed.
- 1:20:40Alliance is fine. Alliance as an entity, even me playing at the
- 1:20:45Vault Tours, it is not what I had signed up for Soccer information on
- 1:20:51the April fifth of the seventh Vault Tour, Like what what what exactly am
- 1:20:56I looking at here? You know? Like, yeah, how much more
- 1:20:59ups am I gonna be? Or not? Right? Like? Is is
- 1:21:02it gonna be ar kind of alliance. Well maybe I don't know. Is
- 1:21:08it gonna be they said that, they didn't give the details, but it's
- 1:21:11gonna be. It's gonna be Seal Alliance. That's gonna be Alliance, and
- 1:21:15it's gonna be park On Now how they order that if they try to run
- 1:21:21all simultaneous, like, we don't know, but that it's gonna be those
- 1:21:25three things? Do we know this? That was suspected, but it has
- 1:21:32not been published as such. I don't think so highly suspected Friday for Sealed,
- 1:21:41Yes Alliance. As far as I know, nothing has been Really,
- 1:21:45we know nothing about how the twenty twenty four vault tours are gonna be run.
- 1:21:48It could just be, hey, we're gonna do a sealed that's it.
- 1:21:55It could be one for all we know. You don't know, you
- 1:21:58don't know. I mean if you look at this, so it's gonna to
- 1:22:00the Rise of Sealed article aka the Death of True Sealed. But let's look
- 1:22:05at the Rise of Sealed article. Okay, Uh, that's what it says.
- 1:22:12Let's say it says things. Yes, we know that all will hold
- 1:22:15all three? Yeah, where does it say that? So it's said in
- 1:22:24here. What did it say? Okay player okay? Sealed decically a future
- 1:22:29probably at all levels of main tournament events throughout the season. So I'm so
- 1:22:38I'm assuming that that wording is intending that, Hey, all the Vault Tours
- 1:22:43are going to include it? Where Sunny? Where has he confirmed that this
- 1:22:46is going to be? I haven't seen it. Now. Sometimes I come
- 1:22:50in and I have ninety six new messages on discord and I can't read them
- 1:22:54all. But I haven't seen any kind of Josh, can you con firm
- 1:23:00that every Vault Tour will have He's right there. If he's confirmed it in
- 1:23:03our in our discord, he can confirm it right now. Josh would like
- 1:23:08to raise his hand and speak, no, you can give us some official
- 1:23:10news, but I haven't seen any of that. The only thing I've seen
- 1:23:17is that it's that it's it's being added to the official You might raise a
- 1:23:24middle finger to us right now, appreciate your donation. That's three middle fingers
- 1:23:32are not donation worthy. This is a this is his audio only podcast,
- 1:23:39all right, let's take a look at this. Hey, I can tell
- 1:23:40you every VT will feature Sealed though. There you go, there you go.
- 1:23:45So Okay, so it'll be so it could be sealed in ARCon and
- 1:23:47it could be sealed in a lions. Now we're talking you again. It's
- 1:23:53not It does not confirm that all three. It just confirms sealed. Can't
- 1:23:59say anything about dates or when news drops can tell you. Every Vault Tour
- 1:24:03will feature sealed though, So every vaulteur will have sealed But you know,
- 1:24:10I don't like every on a discord is just not a place to do that
- 1:24:16kind of information release. That's my reading and I'm not going to reread it
- 1:24:21all out loud like what he is, right, But my reading was that,
- 1:24:25hey, it's going to be all right, it's going to be the
- 1:24:28three and every Vault Tour is going to have sealed ARC on your choice to
- 1:24:34play it though, mm hmmm, they've all had sealed ARCon. You have,
- 1:24:43you just haven't had the guts to do it. Yeah, there's this
- 1:24:47on you. Well, look probably the one person is like, I've done
- 1:24:54it, you fools. He did show up to an ARC I think open
- 1:25:00an AOA deck. Yeah he did. Yeah that was now now it was
- 1:25:04it was Kansas City, so it wasn't an official official event, but there
- 1:25:11were prizes yeah, and there were people flying in. I flew in right
- 1:25:17and and I'm now banned from uh Airbnb, but I was there. That's
- 1:25:27all right, It's probably better nowadays. Yeah, all right, that being
- 1:25:31said, let's wrap this up. We're at an hour and a half,
- 1:25:34ninety minutes. We love you all. Finally the quality content level. How
- 1:25:41we can sign off. It's time to go home. It's time to go
- 1:25:44to bed. I have to get my beauty rest for Lord Kana. Oh
- 1:25:48gosh, so you do need to post your dress up in princess pictures?
- 1:25:55I absolutely can even come in the key Forge chat. I will. I
- 1:25:59will absolutely send you pictures of me in my princess dress. I'm glad you
- 1:26:05that's all. You think that everyone goes to these dressed up as a disney?
- 1:26:10I mean, if you want to buy princess dressed to wear, I
- 1:26:14might go there. You know. I saw a We have a Saturday and
- 1:26:18Sunday for Lorcana, so Friday is not the choice that we have to worry
- 1:26:21about. To be honest with you, I might take you up on that
- 1:26:25cheap, but that makes sound. We'll see y'all next week. Happy forward
- 1:26:30and everyone. May the Forge be with you. I'd love to see you
- 1:26:36around, little bro. We missed it last time because we'll can cut it.
- 1:26:40But come play some KeyForge. It might make the cut, make my
- 1:26:46hommies. Yeah I don't, but I could do work now. Let me
- 1:27:01interrupt. See me around the green like a diamond in the rough, see
- 1:27:05me on a roll like the wheels on the bus, And don't worry about
- 1:27:09my name. You're going always soon enough beer rogers. Yeah, really,
- 1:27:13no bluff. They be a little young kid. I am growing up and
- 1:27:15I'm never slowing up. But I'm never in a rush, so I'm always
- 1:27:18taking time. When they tell me every of like chill son, like five
- 1:27:23more minutes. I gotta find the right place to rest. Mi