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Episode 44: The Fine Line Between Push and Quit · The Scrambling Dads Podcast

• Alex: welcome everyone. ⁓ For some reason ⁓ summertime in our neighborhood struggles on the internet and ours is bad. ⁓ we were trying to watch a show last night and I ⁓ ended up pausing if like thirty minutes 'cause like I can't. It's it's not buffering. It's it's cycling every like thirty seconds and I was going insane. So ⁓ I will very likely end up dropping off here pretty quick and letting these two guys run with this. Jason: Yeah, I'm checking it. Yeah, your your data is pretty low. Alex: Yeah. Well y'all y'all run with this and ⁓ I'll drop off. Jason: All right. Well, we'll see what happens. So Okay. All right. ⁓ well, welcome everybody. But we just before Alex drops off, I know there were a few things going on. I know you had a question, kind of a general parenting question that we can get to. And there's also the side bit between you and Marcus that we need to address before we lose you. Alex: yeah, so ⁓ number one, and this isn't gonna be a good conversation because I'm so lagged behind y'all. So I will say what I want to say real quick, and then y'all can run with it from there. but I've been having a conversation with another dad as far as baseball for the kids. And ⁓ you know, we're at that age where some of the kids aren't enjoying it as much because maybe they're not playing the positions they want to be playing. ⁓ so I was kind of talking to him of like, you know, at what point do you allow your kid to maybe stop playing ⁓ because they're not liking it? Or at what point do you keep pushing them to maybe find a different position? Or just like the burnout. This has been a really long season and we're done now, but you know, there's always a burnout, so it's like when do you know when to push your kid? when you know what's best for them, like you know they need to stick with it, and when do you back off? So I'll leave y'all with that. We don't necessarily need to talk about it now because I'm so lagged that's not gonna be a good conversation. So y'all can maybe talk. But ⁓ as far as the ⁓ the bet goes, ⁓ yeah, I'm waiting for my DoorDash, Marcus. ⁓ it's I'm available when you are. ⁓ you tell me and I will tell you what we want. Marcus: you Jason: Okay, see buying just for you or you're for you and Casey? It's for the family. ⁓ Marcus: No, family. Alex: No, it's a family thing. Yeah, that was the bet. ⁓ he does. He does. It could be anything that he decides. I mean I would just ask that we keep it gluten-free friendly for Bella and myself, but outside of that, he can pick what he wants. Marcus: But I get to pick the restaurant, so that's good. Yeah. Jason: Okay, so you need to pick a knight with just three of them there. Marcus: I mean, it doesn't matter at this point. Alex: ⁓ I'm gonna order I'm gonna order enough for all five, regardless. I will eat it. Marcus: Yeah, I was selling Jason. I was like, I don't know if I lost it twice because I mean, obviously if I get a rifle, I need a scope on it. So Shoutout Vortex did get a Strike Eagle for LPVO for it. it was only one thing. So yeah, it's just one dinner for the family. So but it probably should be two. Jason: Ha ha ha. ⁓ my gosh. Alex: It it it that dinner is gonna taste so good. Like there's nothing better about winning a bet dinner. Like Colin and I played golf a few weeks ago and the post round beer that we had that he had to buy me because I beat him was one of the most refreshing beers I've ever had. Jason: Yeah. Marcus: And I knew I was gonna lose this. This was an uphill battle. Vegas odds were definitely in Alex's favor. And I was just trying to keep myself tame, but I just couldn't. I just couldn't. ⁓ Jason: ⁓ my gosh, that's that's funny. Marcus: I don't have a problem, you have a problem. Jason: Yeah. Alex: No, you definitely have a problem. Jason: ⁓ gosh. Just a just a little one. But hey, if it makes you money, it shouldn't count. Marcus: Yeah, which I feel like I got a steal of a deal here because I was putting what everything that was on that that AR and I was like, man, that's way worth way more than, you know, 350 bucks. Like there's no way. But anyways, eventually I will make money on it. Just not right now, because I'm not I'm not I'm going to keep it for a while. Jason: Ha So let me ask you, is this just a a one time bet or is this gonna be an ongoing thing? Marcus: No, no, I don't want to feed them. Keep feeding them. Alex: I'll I'll keep the bet going as long as he wants to keep it going. Marcus: You Well, we're good. Jason: Ha ha. All right, so Marcus, I think the bottom line is is whatever we purchase, we just need to find a way to make money off of it. Marcus: you I guess I justify it somehow like even when I had told Blake about it she just gave me forgot what meme she sent me but it was just kind of somebody's blankly staring ⁓ but communication is key there so did tell her Jason: G yeah. ⁓ my gosh. That's true. She's like, why are we door dashing to Alex and it's a hundred and fifty dollars? Marcus: Yeah, yeah, I sent it to her and she oh she just sent me dot dot dot and then I guess I'll I don't know if I can show that so that was me Yeah, know Jason: Ha ha ha. Perfect. Marcus: Sorry, yeah, that was entertaining. That was a fun little side bit that we had there. I mean, it was a losing battle. There's no way around it. Whatever. It is what it is. Alex: It lasted eight days. Jason: I think you even said it, it's like you lost before as the bet was made. Marcus: Yeah, seven days is what it lasted. Jason: I think we have those same cups. You just that blue yeah, we have the same ones. Not using it now, but we do have ⁓ at home. Great place. Marcus: Yeah. Alex: ⁓ yeah, I have one other one other thing because I'm gonna drop off because it's like thirty seconds lagged here. ⁓ Jason, you need to acknowledge or explain that Shelby could not get over my mustache on Saturday. Jason: Ha ha ha. Marcus: You Jason: Okay. So you know, he shows up, helps us out for this photo shoot. He comes in and semi-starch wranglers, black, black button up with little white button beads or something that just popped a little bit. And he's just full on, got his boots and mostly sh mostly shaven, but his big old mustaches. She just looked at them. She's like, hey cowboy. She's like, You've been hanging out with the rodeo too much. Marcus: He had his badge underneath like this. Jason: Ha ha ha Marcus: God, I I wonder I do want a mustache, but it's not gonna look good on me. I know it Alex: Hey. I I think I think mine has grown in very nicely now that I've let it get nice and full. Jason: No, it does look good. But yeah, she just couldn't every time she looked at him, she just kind of just rolled her eyes and she's like, ⁓ my gosh, I can't. Marcus: Yeah, she just pulled over on the living room or something every time she saw him. Jason: Yeah, she just cannot. Alex: See see the best thing about it is the mustache is extremely versatile. When I wear a baseball hat, I look like a baseball coach. When I'm wearing my cowboy hat, I look like a rodeo guy. When I go to work and I'm not wearing anything, I just look like a dipshit. So, you know, whatever. Marcus: You Jason: All right. But let's see. Let me try something here. You might get a a better kick out of this if I can work with me here. I don't know. ⁓ here we go. Okay. So Marcus, this is for you. Marcus: Okay. ⁓ my god. ⁓ my god. Alex: Mm. Jason: This this is Marcus: Dude, it looks like you have an OF. Alex: Ha ha ha Marcus: You Jason: I'm trying to enjoy a little downtime, eat a cookie, and then he comes up and starts grinding on me. Marcus: Yeah, yep, that's, yeah, yeah. Alex: ⁓ don't even. Shel Shelby and Jason were eating a cookie and relaxing and dancing a little bit, and I was over there taking pictures, so I ran up behind Jason and started dancing with him. I deserved a break too. Jason: Yeah. Marcus: Yeah, clearly. Oh my god. Jason: That's it. That's all she grabbed. I was like, ⁓ man, I gotta bring these in. Marcus: Y'all get paid for that? Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, I was, I was all thrown off cause I didn't know. I yeah, I just Blake wasn't here and I was like, all right, I'm just focusing on the kids and all right, what are we going to do today? Are we going to go do this? And you know, hit the pool a couple of times. And then by the end of the day, Blake had gotten home. like, Alex: And and this is this is why we couldn't this is why we couldn't record on Sunday. Jason: ⁓ yeah, of course we do. Marcus: We're supposed to do something and then y'all sent me some messages. It was just confusing me It was like I don't know what I just stirred up here. I Was like, alright guys, I'll see you later. I'm gonna head out Jason: You're like, ⁓ that's good. I can get my mornings back. I can get my evenings back. Alex: Mm-hmm. Marcus: Yeah, I was like, oh, okay, all right. Well, makes sense. We didn't talk. Alex: The funny thing is, Jason and I did not talk about that, like us texting back and forth like that. He just said something and then I said something and we just kept going and then him and I were texting off to the side, just laughing our asses off at your reactions. It was great. Marcus: ⁓ That's pretty good. That's pretty good that y'all didn't text each other beforehand. That's how you know your old friends. Jason: Yeah, because we were driving home and I just said, like, or he asked, is like, do you want to cast tomorrow? I was like, not really, because it's gonna be late. And he's like, Yeah, I'm good. And I was like, okay, we won't cast. Should we tell Marcus? He's like, no. Marcus: Yeah... ⁓ Yeah... Jason: I was like, okay. And then we stayed silent until you and we were like, well, he's gonna text at 6 30 or 7 in the morning. Where are we? Nope. It was and then we still said, all right, we already did it. We're good. Marcus: Wrong. was 12 hours later. ⁓ yeah, that was funny. was ⁓ damn, okay. I was actually driving back too. Alex: Alright, gents. Well, I will leave y'all I'm gonna I'm gonna leave y'all with it. ⁓ but I'm gonna leave y'all with this. But ⁓ yeah, get to that parenting question for me. ⁓ obviously I would have liked to have been a part of that, but I'm not going to. So y'all enjoy and I'm gonna go bang my head against a wall while trying to fix my internet. Jason: Do what? Marcus: Alright. Jason: Yep, sounds good. Yeah, you're still lagging pretty good. Alex: Alright, Jets. See you later. Jason: All right, have a good one. Marcus: Alright, see ya. Yeah, that's uh, yeah, that was kind of funny. was like, don't know. I was just trying to like, were we going to do something? Cause it was like, I either go put the kids to bed right now if we're going to do something or not. And it was like, nah, I was like, okay, cool. And then it was just kind of like, Oh, dang it. I kicked up a hornet's nest here. I'm sorry. Jason: Mm. Yeah. I can't I was texting all the side and yeah, we're both just like in syntax, we're just laughing, just blowing up because we didn't plan it and I just started it and I was going, How long should we take this? And then he's like, Nah, we probably should end it pretty quick and let him know. And I was like, hmm, I mean, I could keep running with it. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, I mean, Alex is a parenting question. Jason: Yeah, let's see. That's a t that is a tough one, especially this day and age with parents pressuring kids, ⁓ being in the coaching role myself, it almost To a fault, I think parents p to from observational, I think parents push too hard because they want their kid to be famous or get a scholarship to go to college and even potentially go pro. And again, I don't know if that's just exciting. This is the part that's that I don't know. Is it a gray area for the parents to, hey, I helped you get here, now you can help me out now that we've got big deals coming in, or Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: Are they truly doing it for their child to succeed and be happy and all of that? Marcus: Yeah, it's like I don't to me that's that's one part of him the other part of it think it's like you want to teach your kids to not give up on something ⁓ And this just kind of brings it to you know making sure that they would like to continue with it, but ⁓ Yeah, that's that's tough just cuz you don't want them to give up Jason: Mm-hmm. Marcus: But then at the same time is like, when do you call it quits? Like if you're not progressing ⁓ in the sport that you're doing, like either, and I don't know, maybe it's, you know, if they still love it, I guess this is where I would draw the line. If they still love to do it, but you kind of see that they're not progressing, then maybe not put them in, you know, something super competitive that you're looking at and you go into, you know, rec ball or, you at least for soccer, you know, you can go down into recreational instead of, select their classic league. ⁓ That's at least where my mindset is kind of going. But that's kind of where I would go is instead of, know, they obviously love it, but maybe they're not getting that, you do you power through it and try to get them through ⁓ that, ⁓ you know, super competitive where they're not getting enough playing time just because they're not to that level yet. or bring them down a level and just kind of playing that way. Jason: Yeah, you hit on a couple of things there. ⁓ part of it is is it's skill development fundamentals. ⁓ are they getting better? Yes or no. And then it's a question of do you want to get better? And then it's like, Yes, I do. Then again, this is that area. And I battled this with my two girls a little bit just in the sense that, you know, they want to get better, you know, you want the playing time. We sp you know, spend all our hours driving around and want to see them play. Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: But if again, it's like having that conversation with the child. And again, are they old enough to comprehend some of this? Well, if you want to get better, you you've got to put the work in. And then if they're willing to put the work in, then that's something that, okay, let's maybe build your confidence back up and drop down a league and then get your development up, put some more reps in. And then the other side, it's like if they don't want to get better, but they like playing, then it's like, okay, well then I think that's a parent decision. Like, well, we're gonna Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: move you somewhere else. ⁓ so it's tough because my oldest Maddie, ⁓ which she's thanks by the way for her shout-outs for the marathon. She did she did actually pretty good for her first one. ⁓ out of all the female categories, I think she was just better than 50% than the rest of them. So good times there's about a 10 and a half minute pace per mile. So yeah, it was pretty impressed they pretty impressive. They had a little tracker and you could check her pace, her mileage and Marcus: ⁓ nice. Okay. Jason: all this stuff and it was really cool. I mean we were in the DR ⁓ for a little wedding and we were tracking her at the airport. So it was really cool. but on the side of that with her, she's always been ultra competitive and she's willing to put to work in. And she's really like wants to practice and do all that. But there is a there was a line where it was kind of like I do but I also Marcus: Mm-hmm. you Jason: want to do other things, especially when the kids get older. And so I mean, she put the time in, she trained herself to put the discipline in for the marathon. So there's that whole example. she always worked harder on a lot of different things, stayed after practice, messed around. but when I put stuff at the house, it was like, nah, I don't want to do it. So she only wanted to get practice and she'll put the work in at practice. And then Peyton was on the other side. She liked playing golf. She still enjoys playing golf, but Marcus: Yeah. Jason: In high school, it was the point of I don't like quitters, but in it's kind of say it's like she really didn't quit, she just reprioritized because she was taking more AP classes, was in small boosttuco, and was just falling into other commitments that she felt golf was taking her away from. And so you have to accept that in the sense like, okay, you're just moving to a different direction. ⁓ Marcus: Mm-hmm. you Jason: But yeah, in general. I if you can have a conversation with your child about what's their feelings, it's like, do you still love it? Do you still enjoy playing? Yes. Okay. ⁓ would you consider a different position? Like baseball and soccer, and though you know those things have that, but you know, golf, it's like, well, you you just gotta get better. I think Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're only putting this round, alright? So, tee it up big boy. Jason: But I think if you could set it up to where I mean, I believe if you could start helping them build their confidence back in the game and find the avenue to help them find that passion and that love for the game again, I think your path is still open. But to the point of burnout, gosh, man, so many kids get burned out because the k parents keep pushing and pushing and pushing them all through high school and even college. And Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: A lot of my players and other players I know are like, Hey, you gonna play in college? Like, no, I'm done. Like, I'm tired, I'm just the workouts, the time. And so I'm like, ⁓ all right. So there are opportunities, like the intramurals. So yeah, you don't have to be super competitive at the D one level. You could do the club stuff, but they they're just burnt out. So yeah, I'd be curious to see. ⁓ Miles gets involved with sports. Marcus: Dang. Mm-hmm. Jason: Now that I've been through it, I'm probably gonna take a different approach when he gets into the level of whatever he's gonna decide he's feeling. And it's also kind of like is there a natural path for him for one sport or the other? I mean, football is definitely out off the table. Like that is not happening. ⁓ indoor sports are always gonna be fine. And that's the parents going, I just don't want to be outside in the weather. Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jason: Yeah. But if he takes to soccer, then hey, and it's soccer. If he takes to baseball, baseball. ⁓ tennis? ⁓ I don't really want to see tennis matches, but if he's if he's in it, then we'll go. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll be the, know, yeah, I wonder what, you know, my kids will gravitate towards there. I know we're pushing them a little bit just towards the soccer, just so we can coach them and be there. And I mean, just be a little present now that, you know, we're in this new house and able to, you know, soccer fields are literally five minutes away. So. Literally practices, you know get home change eat whatever go practice and then come back So there really isn't an excuse to to not do it You know, I just I just don't want to be that parent coach that pushes their son a little too far and They they end up, you know hating the game instead of embracing it. So that's something I got to be mindful of I guess Jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's a tough one. ⁓ where is that line? I think you just have to find that spot where that is with your child and figure out where they're at with everything. It's like some of them like, yeah, I like it. I'm here with my friends, but I don't want to work that hard. Well, okay, then let's find a new path. Let's let's redirect this because Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jason: Yeah, but it's costing mom and dad a little bit of money and time. Marcus: Uhhh... Jason: ⁓ w would you push them in a s well, I mean, they're soccer right now, but what else would you like to see them in? Marcus: I mean golf obviously I messed up on the sign up they were supposed to do this summer with the first team program. We've been doing that first team program for the last year and a half or so which ⁓ is good. The last one that we did ⁓ it was more kind of character building and they got a little bit more into the mental side of the game even at that young of an age which is good. Jason: Mm. Marcus: It was just kind of keeping your emotions in check and understanding what you can do. ⁓ Not trying to do too much. ⁓ you know, and then they have these like competitions where they're, you know, putting off against another another person. So it puts them in that competition mindset early on. So ⁓ definitely that's a push. My wife's pushing swimming on them. I don't know how to swim, but they My son already can float a little bit better than I can. And then, you know, my daughter, she's gonna get there too. it's good. You want your children to be better than you. So I'm all for it. Jason: Yeah. Yeah, there is there you always want them to be better. And then there's a part of me that's like, dang it, taught you too well. Cause I still want to beat them. It's ⁓ gosh, for years I would always dominate at Mario Kart with them. And then now it's like I can't even get close. Like they yeah, they drift, they break, and they always and I'm just like, nah, now and I'm trying to change the rules on them. It's like, no, no, we're gonna do ⁓ Marcus: Yeah. ⁓ I figured out how to Yeah. Jason: Siri random draw, like you know, pick number forty-two or number fourteen, and you start at the the like the initial car, and then says, Okay, number go 14 times, one, two, three, flip it. All right, that's it. All right, pick another number when that's the car you gotta drive. Yeah, that didn't buy, that didn't go over too well. Marcus: Good. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, I think my kids are just starting to realize of what I do He's only what are you doing? Or my kids ask because I put the little stat thing up and I'm just trying to get acceleration and speed as high as I can and Yeah, I think they're starting to figure it out a little bit Jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah, mine figured it out and then it's like they always stick to the same same ones. Well yeah, you need one more hug? Marcus: Yeah. Jason: That's Marcus. You say hi. Right, say nine night down. Bye thing. Bye. You just want to stay up. You need to go to bed. Short commercial break. Marcus: Yeah, short commercial It's funny we uh, we have dinner and my wife was I don't think my son did something and she kind of You know told him to you know, pick up his plate or whatever and Little girl she She just looks at my wife and she goes I love you so much mom and then she's like you're not in trouble it's like Why are you like? Jason: Mm-hmm. Ha ha. Marcus: Just kissing butt right now prematurely. Yeah. Oh yeah. Jason: ⁓ my gosh. They figure that out so fast. Like even Miles is he's like starting to manipulate. I don't like not intentionally, but it's like, wait, what are you doing? You're you're playing us right now. Like you're trying to be out cute, and all of a sudden you say something new and you're like, ⁓ my ⁓ well, now we can't be mad. Or okay, you can stay up or you can have the ice cream. Marcus: He knows. Jason: ⁓ man, he's just so funny. ⁓ gosh. All right. Well, I don't know if we really truly answered that question, but hopefully it helped. Marcus: I figured it out so quick. Yeah, I mean, he's listening somewhere, hopefully. It's not lagging for him. ⁓ But I mean, that'd be my approach, just kind of see what they want. And if you already know to call it quits, start kind of seeing if it's truly something they want to do, then I'll take a different approach to it or find a different team, maybe a different team where you can get a little bit more playing time. But, well. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, different team, different atmosphere, different position if your sport allows for it. Or I mean, we've even talked about it, you know, at least more for Alex and I, ⁓ taking breaks from golf, just just just flat out just take a break, ⁓ getting burnt out, grinding, or I mean, naturally our lives are just always interfering with it, but sometimes it's good to step away. Just Marcus: Yeah. Jason: Hit a reset button, figure yourself out, kinda enjoy some different things, and then see if after that short period you can rekindle that fire towards the the sport. Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah, just coming to think of it now like when when I was maybe you know eight nine years old and it was like my first team that we were trying to go from like rec over to select and ⁓ I Remember the coach which I didn't know at the time But like I guess I had told my parents that hey your your son isn't good enough that he probably shouldn't make this tournament Or there was some kind of Jason: Mm-hmm. Marcus: conversation that was had between coach and parents and you know, my parents were like, no, like he's he's on the team. He's he's going to play and ⁓ yeah, I think this tournament was like down in Waco or something. So drove, you know, whatever it was a couple, you know, hours down and ⁓ when we got there, the coach like had to say like in front of me and you know, my parents like, no, like I told you your kid was not good enough to play in this tournament. So, like he's, he's not gonna be here. then parents got, you know, all up in arms about it. ⁓ And we actually, well, at that point we switched teams ⁓ and ⁓ got with another team. And ⁓ I mean, that coach worked with me a lot, ⁓ which at that point I already had a little bit of, I guess, anger that someone, someone tells you that you're not. Jason: Mm-hmm. Marcus: good enough to do something you kind of, it kind of sticks with you a while. And ⁓ so I turned to defense. ⁓ And so I was just kind of a slight tackling machine, just trying to get the ball any chance I get to not have anyone else say that he's not good enough to be on the field. ⁓ know, looking back on it, you know, parents could have handled that a little bit better, but they were hard headed, which I'm a little hard headed as well. But, Jason: Mm. Marcus: That's that's a you know tough situation to be in especially you know being being that young ⁓ And hearing like hey, it's not good enough so from that aspect. I wouldn't you know tell You know any kid that they're not good enough. I would kind of more approach of hey, you're you're probably you know a little bit more better at these things Let's work on this and that Maybe you can find a new atmosphere and that that completely changes you know, their trajectory. Jason: Yeah, we had ⁓ Peyton when she was with soccer, gosh, she's about eight or nine years old. ⁓ coach finished practice and pulled us aside and just said, Hey, we ended the season, we're going to the next season, I'm looking to move our team up a tier. And he just ⁓ just told us that she's welcome to stay, but she's not gonna get playing time, still to continue to develop. But if she is looking to continue playing and get more time on the field, what she needs. another team would be another approach for her. ⁓ she loved the coach and I think I don't she was kinda sad, but I I don't think it was like heartbreaking that she was done with soccer. She was like, okay. Like we Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ is that when she called it quits, I guess? Jason: Yeah, it was kind of like a mutual like we asked her is like, Well, do you still want to play? And she was like, No. And I think she wanted to just keep it 'cause she wanted to stay with the team that she was with for I think two years. Yeah. I mean, they started when they were like the coach took over when they were six or seven years old, stayed in whatever these l league levels or wherever, I can't remember which divisions they were in, and then they slowly progressed and she was the youngest on the team. Marcus: ⁓ man, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jason: And like so a lot of the kids that he was bringing in, they were all six months to it, almost a year older than her. And it was just getting too much for her. And she wasn't, like I said, totally into it as much as her sister was. So she also didn't push herself to be like there there's gotta be s a self motivation and push to to do these things. And if your child's not there for it, then that's when you just have to be observant and just Marcus: Hmm. Yeah. and Yeah. Jason: Yeah, maybe it's time to to call it quits and redirect. But I do believe they need to be involved with something. Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do something. That's not an excuse to just be like, yeah, we're not, you know, we're calling it quits here. It's more of a, all right, this isn't gonna work out, but we need to figure something out that we can get involved with. 100 % agree with that. Jason: Yeah, I mean, I'm all for video games. I grew up with video games, grew up with Nintendo when it first came out, but I was still outside. I was still I was still doing stuff like physically, just to kind of just like, hey, I still want to do things. But I mean, growing up, I don't know, there's s youth sports was big, but I don't think it's was big as it is now. And they definitely had their different tiers, their different leagues. And it's like if I didn't make it, I was like, okay. Marcus: Yeah Yeah. Jason: I'll I'll I play I just went ahead and went go for to a different team or a different league. ⁓ but then it got to a point where it's like, okay, I want to try to get better. And it's still trying to keep putting my f best foot forward. So I always did that. And then when baseball stopped then it's like, okay, I'll just pick up rec basketball, schoolyard basketball, and just play that for a number of years and then Marcus: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jason: ⁓ what did I go do? Then I just went into roller hockey and adult softball. I think I just I was just always doing something active and martial arts for a little bit and then golf was always there, but it definitely is not what it is now. ⁓ but now knowing what I know now, I should have s should have jumped on that way sooner. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I started golf way too late. So I'm trying to... I just wish I would have had a little bit more, like when I was a little bit more coordinated when I was younger, that would have been ideal. Now it's like, I don't know if I threw myself, my back out or this is it's supposed to feel. So. Jason: Well it's never never too late. Just Yeah. Does it hurt when you play? Marcus: No, no, that's like when I first started playing it would hurt but that's because I wasn't swinging the right way like the like when I would tell someone I'm starting to golf and you know said yeah my my back and my arms are hurting and they're like yeah you're not swinging the right way I just immediately knew I was like and so when I figured out how to swing a little bit more with with my core like arms weren't hurting, shoulders or back wasn't hurting anymore. It was more of my core that was hurting way more. ⁓ Or maybe I just built up the muscles in my shoulders and my back that it didn't hurt anymore, but it was definitely a learning curve there. Jason: Yeah. ⁓ I I feel yeah. I mean, I got my bad habits and ever since I started getting retooled with the IGP guys, I I don't want to say I'm hurting, but I'm sore and I ache, but it's the good one. Like the good, like workout, the good, okay, I engaged the body differently. ⁓ my back doesn't hurt the way it it does or did, better posture. So I definitely know where you're coming from, but you know Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jason: I ache a little bit now because it's been wait, when did I play in that tournament? A month ago? Yeah, it's been about a month. And then before that it was sporadic. And then took a little lesson. And then just today I went to the range. So I know I was fatigued and sore and arms were feeling it. But again, that's just because I haven't put the time in. But it's all good stuff. Marcus: Yeah. Jason: So I was like enjoying it, tried out the new grips, which made a huge difference. Marcus: ⁓ you got new grips? Jason: Yeah, they ⁓ so the fitting turned into a lesson because I was still horrible, still sucked. ⁓ but he definitely noticed that let's go ahead and bump up the grips on your current stuff and let's get that fixed so your hands feel more comfortable and they can set in a better position and then build on the rest of the mechanical stuff, which it it it made a huge difference. Like I could feel my hands were just were not working as hard. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Jason: If that makes sense. Marcus: Was it, yeah, was it like thicker grips? Jason: Yeah, they're not sta they're not the standard. They're midsize, so went up a little bit and then I had ⁓ and they're the ones that added ⁓ on the bottom of the grip it it's the plus four, so it's a little bit so it's less taper. Yeah. It feels more like a ba a slimmer baseball bat ⁓ handle. So again, my fingers aren't straining to hold the club. Marcus: ⁓ huh. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Okay. Jason: Like I can still hold the club with the right pressure with my f hand not and the fingers not hurting. Yeah. And it because they are heavier, it also changes the weight, ⁓ swing weight of the club. So it there's a definite feel difference, but it I already could tell it it helps with the hands. Marcus: Yup. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah, that's I think I just self-diagnosed which I probably shouldn't have but yeah, it was like I think it was watching like some some of those reels where It was like the John Daly one. He's like no one ever looks at their grips and then something just clicked I was like I went and grabbed my grip which was like just a regular tour velvet the black ones and I mean it felt like you know, like a pencil and Jason: ⁓ I've done that for the last thirty years. Yeah. Marcus: I had gotten some of the mid-sized ones. like, can kind of, without looking at the club, I can tell what the club was doing a little bit easier than with the smaller ones. So I definitely get that. Jason: Yeah. It's it's amazing how much science has developed over the last, I don't even ten years, fifteen or even how long with all the different things, the different swing weights, the different taping, the different all of it and the shafts. Like you could swing like you and I can both get our lessons. We could both, even Alex, like we all can get lessons, but our bodies are still only gonna let us move in a certain plane. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jason: And trying to get that plane to swing it correctly is one step. And then once you swing it pretty correctly, like get I mean, as far as getting face to impact, getting the weight transfer, those basics. But then the clubs and the shafts are not gonna respond to each of us the same because how we initiate the downswing, how we initiate the the impact, our wrists, all of that stuff, mm huge factors, which again Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: never knew existed until the last few years. Marcus: Yeah, which I mean, I know they're there, you know, they talked a lot about, you know, rolling back the ball, which we talked about, I guess, two weeks ago now. ⁓ But I mean, when you really think about all the materials and, know, how much data you have on what a grip does on what a shaft does, it's just ridiculous. I mean, I think if anything, I think I'd Jason: Yeah. Marcus: We said it the last time, but I think it's more of maybe restricting the equipment that they use rather than Yeah, keep the ball that's fine Advance that but maybe now I mean now we've gone to a point where we know what the data is saying that it's like hey, it's kind of like Like I don't know if you got into f1 there's like Jason: Yes. Actually you that's interesting you bring that up. So yeah, keep going. Marcus: Yeah, yeah, so like there's certain rules in the car before the season starts like, you know, the rules the next season. So it's like, hey, you're, you know, let's say your seven iron can only be a certain degree. It can only be this within these, you know, parameters. And that's what you can, you know, use on the PGA tour. It's I'd say it's similar to F1 or it would be similar to F1 in a way. Jason: Yeah, no, that's funny you bring that up because ⁓ we both watched I didn't get the end of it, but Shelby did of F1. And she really liked it, and I really like it. So I just need to finish the end because we were traveling and the internet cause kept cutting out. So I was like, so the last race that was the the pinnacle of the movie. But you know, Miles is into into cars, he's into racing, like he just enjoys cars, just and planes. Marcus: Mm-hmm. Yeah. ⁓ huh. Yeah. Dude. Jason: You know, so we started just showing it to him. And we're thinking, like, hmm, is this gonna be a new hobby of ours? Are we actually gonna maybe go look at this? And so, you know, so F1 is kind of like our new little like family, I don't even know it, not hobby, because this hasn't taken off yet, but it's like our new spark, our new interest. ⁓ so we looked and we're like, Well, how much is it to go to a race? And I'm like, Marcus: Mm-hmm. Jason: I don't even know where they race. And so I found it three sites in the US. And the closest one is Austin. And I think the minimum was like a hundred dollars. Yeah. At least it was in October, so it won't be as hot. But I'm sitting here going, like, dang, that's a lot. And then we're like, okay, well, there's a Texas Motor Speedway just over here. And Shelby's like, well, would you be interested in that? And I was like, Marcus: ⁓ Yup. ⁓ huh. ⁓ yeah, and you'll be out in the sun. Hard. Yeah. Yeah. Jason: No, I'm t I don't want to see every I don't want to see anybody turn left. Like it's just left, left, left. And then and so I looked up those tickets and they're like, they start at 40. And I'm like, I don't want to sound spoiled or bougie, but I go, Shelby, I I think the clientele is gonna be much different at F1 than at NASCAR. Marcus: Yeah, yeah. Oh, I wonder what he's going to do. He's going to go left. You ⁓ You don't want miles to shotgun his bottle Jason: So ⁓ I think F one's more our style. Shotgun his bottle wearing his wife beater and his jorts. He's already got the mullet hair going, so might as well just shave the sides and just let it go. Marcus: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, threes up, Yeah. Jason: ⁓ my but yeah it's great. But yeah, you're right though. Like the regulations and stuff and I was like, I don't think I mean NASCAR I guess has its control, but I don't know how much F one glorified it, but some of the data scenes and the things that they're analyzing, I'm just I'm intrigued. Marcus: No. Like if you watch, you should watch a couple of those F1 races or like follow the season, because they'll get into like arguments over dumb stuff. Like it'll be teams, if they notice something on a car, they'll call it in and be like, hey, I don't think they can do that. And so then they go and they do a whole investigation to see if it's legal. to have maybe an extra piece of carbon fiber on the side or something. Yeah, so for the longest time, Red Bull figured it out ⁓ how to do it. That's why they were kind of winning. Well, backtrack, Mercedes was winning so often just because they had figured out something that no one else knew, but then the playing field got, I guess the FIA figured it out, and so now they put in those rules. Jason: ⁓ my gosh. Marcus: just to kind of try to keep it a level playing field and then, you know, keep the ingenuity and engineering up. So it's like, okay, these are your new constraints. Now what are you going to do kind of thing? Like, I mean, down to like your car and the driver has to weigh a certain amount before the race and after the race. Like, yeah. So like when you see an F1 race, yeah. You'll the driver will get off as soon as he gets off. He's gonna get on the scale and They're gonna weigh them and they're gonna weigh the car ⁓ There was a couple races that I saw that because the wear plate on the bottom I think it was on a Ferrari car it shaved too much material off that ⁓ They got disqualified from the race because there wasn't the weight was off between the cars Jason: W ⁓ Okay, i i ⁓ is I assuming there's gotta be like a window that they have this the w okay. 'Cause I'm just like a driver, it's like, what if he drank a lot of fluids or he has like a piss or he's like or how did that Marcus: Yeah. Yes, yeah, there's a range. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so like even if yeah, if like different drivers are different weights, they'll add that weight to the car. So like one driver is 110, the other one's 130, they'll add that weight to the car. So you're essentially driving the same weighted car in a range. And then so they weigh the car, then they weigh the driver with the helmet and all that stuff. yeah, it's, yeah. Jason: Okay. Okay, so like if a driver's 150 pounds and another one's one hundred seventy five, they have to adjust twenty-five pounds to the car. And okay. Marcus: Correct, yeah, yeah. Or whatever the tolerance is on the car. I don't know what, can't get into those specifics, but ⁓ it depends on what the rules are for that car, is wild. But if F1 can do it, I figured some golfers could do it. Jason: ⁓ no for sure. Well maybe they need that whole laser guide to computer sensors, multi billion dollar facility to test all test all the the drag coefficients. ⁓ wait, they already have all that. And they're still making these things. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, hey, you can't, I mean, they go, same thing, wind tunnel testing and all that stuff. I think they use, you know, the same, you know, same wind tunnels that you do for a car, for a driver, for, you know, a wing on an F1 ⁓ car. So I don't know. I don't see why not. Jason: Okay, so then now I'm more intrigued. So if the weight classes have to be all that, but watching the movie and now I know why it makes sense why they do it, but you know, they have their different sets of tires. So do the Marcus: Uh-huh. Yeah. So, yeah, tires are based on the track and how the car drives. So, but like what they call like a soft tire, a hard tire, a medium, all that, it's all predetermined. So they're all using the same tires. So like there's like certain sets of rubbers. It's like five different sets of rubbers, but like they will either go to one end of the spectrum where like it's Jason: Yeah, ⁓ Marcus: that they use a really soft tire, but then they'll use the one right before it to call it a medium. And then the one right before that one to call it a hard tire, or they can go all the way to the hard side. And so the third one would be the soft tire, which in other races that may have been the hard tire, but it just kind of, I don't know. It's so wild and like qualifying, like you have to use at least X amount of sets of tires. And all the tires that they give you, those are your only tires for the weekend. So don't use them all. Like you have like three sets of each or something. Yeah. Jason: ⁓ my gosh. Actually, you know, I think that I did catch that there ⁓ what did it say? Like, ⁓ in the movie, they're like, ⁓ because he didn't get to warm up because of whatever reason he actually has an extra set of tires that he could use because he didn't wear them out. Well, so assuming that even though if it's hard, soft, medium tr tread or grip, the weights are still Marcus: ⁓ huh. Mm hmm. Yup. Exactly. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jason: Relatively the same because like if you start on okay, 'cause it's like you start off soft, it's got different compound density. You start hard a different compound density, so the masses I guess have to equate I guess for that. Marcus: Yeah, yeah, it'll... Yeah. And also near the end of the race, your tires start picking up like all that rubber. So you got that extra weight to account for too, that you're going through. Just picking up rubber on the side of the road. Jason: ⁓ man. And then the other thing we notice is that they they I don't know, does does NASCAR run in teams or is it only F one that they run in like team pairs? Marcus: Um, I think it's just F1 that has like team pairs. Jason: I don't I don't know anything about racing. I Marcus: Like as, cause it feels like, I don't know, with NASCAR it's a little bit more driver focused. Um, and with F1 it's a little bit more team focused. Yeah. Cause I had a, yeah, like, you know, any NASCAR drivers out there, I don't know if they would let their teammate pass them so they could win. Like they, they try to win as a team in F1. Jason: ⁓ okay, that's a good way of putting it. Marcus: Well, most of the time there's been a couple instances where some drivers are, you know, they'll get into like, you know, it's going to be the first or second and both, both guys are just battling it out. There was like, I've watched races and be like, same team guys, same team. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. How long how long do those races last? Like if we wanted to like start jumping on some of the sir like watching them. Marcus: Dude that's that's probably the best part about F1 is like the races are supposed to last like an hour and a half so If it says 56 miles or 62 miles or whatever it's supposed to last around an hour and a half So it's it's pretty it goes by pretty quick ⁓ I mean, I yeah, I usually see those like Sunday mornings like Jason: Okay. All right. Marcus: Especially the ones that are out in Europe because they're already driving by then and so just get a little coffee a little little pastry and watch f1 Jason: Yeah. All right. Well, hey, you got what is it? Alex keeps saying you always have a new passion that you're always like possibly gonna jump on board with or hobby. New hobby. Marcus: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, yeah, that's I got I got real real interested in the f1 like a couple years ago you know partly drive to survive that Netflix show, but Yeah, I just started watching it. I was like man. This is it's pretty cool Jason: So where for Navi novices like us, where would you recommend w to start watching? Or what do we need network wise apps or just watching F one? Like who carries them or what networks or Marcus: for what drive to survive or apps? ⁓ So I used to do like F1 TV and it was like you get every race ⁓ you get like radio calls from I mean I'm going in too deep now but like yeah yeah so I think you can watch like the Jason: Mm. I mean, I just need Netflix or Peacock, man. Marcus: If you have F1 TV, there's an app that like goes on the Samsung TV ⁓ and then on your phone or your like iPad. So I would have the main race, the main broadcast up on the main TV and then on the iPad, whatever driver I'm following, I would have their driver cam and their radio call playing right there. And so I can hear what's going on. Jason: Ha ha ha. Marcus: but then still looking at what everything else is going on. Yeah, I got way too into it. Jason: ⁓ my god, that's crazy. Marcus: Yeah, but F1 TV I think I think Apple TV is supposed to hold some of them too. So Yeah Jason: Yeah, I'll check ⁓ out and just see. We may try a couple just to see how it sparks our interest and then kinda go from there. Sweet. Marcus: Yeah. Jason: All right. ⁓ do you got anything else that you wanna like to share? Any insights? Marcus: On on parenting No, I was yes now so it was I think I shared the message with you guys ⁓ Over the weekend, but you know, I my you know wife was out out of town and so it was It was me and the kids and I mean we just had a blast like we stayed up late. We played video games Went outside went to the pool a couple times ⁓ And so it was, was, was really fun. And it's, ⁓ it was, it was kind of cool. was, was thinking back back on it. was a little awkward and I'll explain the story. So we went to, to Chick-fil-A on, ⁓ on Saturday and. You know, we were, we had, ⁓ got up to the counter and my son orders his food, which is something I never did as a kid. Like I would be too shy to do it, but he'll go up to the counter and be like, Yeah, can I have a chicken sandwich, no pickles, ketchup, and a Dr. Pepper, please? It's so like, he orders his whole thing, and then my daughter's right behind him, and she's like, I want mac and cheese and a lemonade. Well, she doesn't know how to speak correctly yet, so she says, remanade. So the lady couldn't understand her, so it's small lemonade for the little one. She's like, okay, got it. And then I ordered my food and... ⁓ There was a couple that was in front of us and they, you know, the guy started kind of laughing because it's like, man, these kids are just ordering their own food and just kind of being, being a little independent there. And, ⁓ you know, we were eating, ⁓ and they happened to sit next to us and, ⁓ we're eating, ⁓ Addie or, know, she wanted to go play on the playground. She was done with her mac and cheese and said, all right, well now we're, ⁓ We got away from Marcus because he's gonna watch you while y'all go in the playground and do your thing. And he's like, okay. And so she waited there. And then we were sitting in kind of like a four seater and ⁓ there was an empty seat next to me. And she goes, if mommy was here, she would be sitting right there. And so I was like, yes, but she's in Boston. She's still around. Yes, right? Right kids? She's coming back. She said it in such a way. It was like, ⁓ if mother was here, she'd be sitting right there. I was like, it's not what she means. It's not what she means. Because people were looking at her. I was like, I don't want no sympathy like that. So the guy, I started laughing next to me. And before he leaves, he's all like, he, he, ⁓ because they had, they were about to go play and ⁓ He had told me, like, man, it's it's pretty good to see there's there's still good dads and you know around in the world and he's like keep it up. It's like, man, thanks, man. Appreciate it. So it was it was it was kind of funny looking back on it. It was just kind of like, why'd you have to say it like that? Jason: Yeah. Marcus: But it was good. It makes you feel good that you're doing the right things and being out in public with, especially with little ones. ⁓ It was a good feeling. Jason: That's good. So when mom's away, do some of the structural discipline processes go out the window? Marcus: And no, they actually kind of stay. They stay pretty good. Their hurt her structural processes stay like, you know, she'll she likes to sleep in a little bit more. And I like to kind of just and I'm up. I'm up like I'm ready to go. So my son's already, you know, doing breakfast for himself and my daughter. So like they'll get up hungry. There's waffles, there's the toaster, get after it. And so when I was here, I was already up before and so my son, before he went to go watch TV, he was about to throw some waffles in the toaster and I was like, how many do you want? He's like, I'll put like three, but then I'm gonna go watch it. He's like, you're good, dude, I'm right here. making my own breakfast too. So I'll put them in and I got you. Jason: Mm-hmm. Marcus: Okay, it's like just right off. So they're they're so structured on what they need to do Like it is and I just I just follow that that was part of the only thing we deviated from but it's kind of like Alright, you know after you know after lunch, you know, we go outside we're not gonna you know touch TV, know after dinner We'll have you know, family game night family movie night, whatever and then we go to bed read one book Jason: Mm-hmm. Marcus: go to bed so we we kept up with that ⁓ a little bit which is yeah which is pretty which is a good part that's that's one thing you know my wife's teacher and you know you need schedules and discipline and all that so I mean those kids are tuned for it now Jason: Very cool. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. It's funny, like when I'm watching Miles by myself, sometimes the the leniency train comes in a little bit more. Like, ⁓ sure, you can let's eat dinner on the couch 'cause I don't want to sit at the table. We can watch. But I I do that once in a while, but he eats better and he sleeps better if he's eating a good meal or and filling up. So it's like, ⁓ Marcus: Yeah. Yup. Jason: Alright. I don't w let's just do that. ⁓ we got this stuff to make dinner, like nah, I'm gonna order out like Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well that's why we went to Chick-fil-A. We could have chicken nuggets here or we can have chicken nuggets over there. Like yeah, let's go over there. Jason: Ha ha ha. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ fun. Marcus: Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Jason: Good times. ⁓ I mean we can get into because this would be good too with if we talk more parenting and then even single parenting. ⁓ 'cause I know Alex did it for a while, I did it for a while. ⁓ so yeah, it definitely different dynamics, especially when you have two different households and then in the same household and you're still aka single parenting. It's there's so many different dynamics that could take place. Marcus: ⁓ huh. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like different yes, I mean like you said it's different rules and you know, we We have a grandma rules to which they do whatever they No, not for me Jason: ⁓ gosh, yeah. Yeah, grandma. That's their job. Spoil ⁓ and love ⁓ and th discipline? No. It's no such thing. You have to break break all the habits that they created. Marcus: ⁓ huh. Yeah. It's like, ⁓ you mean I can have cookies at, you know, ⁓ nine o'clock at night? Jason: ⁓ wait, I brush my teeth. I'm still hungry. ⁓ it's okay. Like, ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ and then it's like they leave or it's like they come back to you guys and they're like, Can I like no? What where did you pick that up from? Wait, what did you do? ⁓ what are you guys? ⁓ gosh. That's a that's a whole nother episode there too. Marcus: so what did we get into? Uh-huh. Hmm Jason: ⁓ that's crazy. Cool. All right. I don't got anything else on my end. Been kind of a quiet except for what I shared earlier with us at the wedding. Marcus: Yeah, that was good. God, that stash. I mean, he rocks it, but man. He needs the beard back. I mean, it looks like he's got some subscribers. ⁓ Jason: I knew you'd appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. So you're saying he needs the beard back? Hey, I'm like it's his face, he could do what they want with it, but but the beard probably needs to come back. Or just shave it all off. I've never seen him completely shaved. Marcus: Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ man, he looked like Dr. Jason: Hey I know he's gonna listen to this. I think you guys should have another bet that he has to shave his face. Marcus: ⁓ I It's got to be something I can win Yeah Yeah, no, yeah, This is yeah Maybe maybe we can have a ⁓ Mini putt, know dad's little challenge here Jason: But you can't lose this one. All right, we got a brainstorm, we gotta figure out a contest to something new win. ⁓ there you go. Marcus: ⁓ might have a chance. Might. Yeah. Jason: Hey, actually with putting it, I mean, you never know. I mean, we were we were putting lights out when we did our little Christmas sweater scramble that just Marcus: Yeah. Jason: Or you were putting more lights out than I was, but you never know. It could happen. Marcus: So sorry, I was fumbling around f1 TV here just because I hadn't Gone in for a while, but if you have Apple TV You already medically you automatically have a subscription to f1 TV You just you just link when you go to register. It just says link your Apple account and Be alright. Yeah. Yeah Jason: Mm-hmm. ⁓ okay. ⁓ nice. ⁓ then we got it. Yeah. ⁓ all right. Here we go. F one. I like it because it's just it's also just more dynamic the way they have to drive. Marcus: Yeah, so it'd be good. I was just looking. Mm-hmm. It's very engineering heavy. Yeah. Jason: And they make right hand turns, so it's kinda nice. Marcus: Yeah, right hand turns. They make almost hairpin turns where they go around and come back around. yeah. Jason: ⁓ my gosh. And it's cool because then they actually drive through cities. Like I know they've seen layouts like they're through city streets, they block it off and it's just so it's all over the place. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, the Monaco one is probably the more famous one, but I mean they even drive through like Singapore, which is wild. Vegas too. That's... Yeah. Yeah. Jason: Mm-hmm. Yes, that's the other yeah, Vegas was the other one. Yeah. Yeah, the strip. They just go straight down the strip. Let ⁓ open it up. Marcus: Yeah, which, which is pretty cool to see in going to Vegas while that's going on, just because I mean, they would during the day you're driving in those streets pretty much and then they block it off, which is, yeah, it's nuts. Jason: Yeah. Right. It's like what? And then this is these F one cars and they just sound so much better. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a lot of a lot of power behind those cars. ⁓ that's cool Jason: Yeah. Yeah, we actually were it was a year ago. ⁓ yeah, we were in San Diego for Maddie's graduation and we went to the little car museum and ⁓ I think it was Red Bull had one of their F one cars on display. Yeah. Now that I think about it, I don't know if it was last gen or it was just I don't know why it was there, or I guess maybe it was off season or something, but it w there was a one of them sitting there. Marcus: ⁓ yeah? Jason: I don't know if it was fully loaded or if it was just a shell, but it was there. It was cool. Cockpit looks small though. Marcus: Yeah, no, it's well even Yeah, cuz I hope back comes out too. So like you just see the driver's head in there Which they're pulling. I don't know how many G's if you like you see there ⁓ Their workouts it's a lot of neck workouts like they'll put a band to their head and then they're just kind of doing this number just trying to get that neck muscle in because man Yeah, I would suck Yeah, exactly. Just whiplash Jason: Mm-hmm. My head looks like a pinball. ⁓ fun. Cool, yeah, definitely we'll check it out and just kinda see if it's gonna be something we'll maybe gravitate to. Marcus: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's awesome. I love it. might get back into it. Jason: Wait. Pick up a few races here and there. Marcus: Yeah. Jason: Cool. Well I've got nothing else, so Marcus: Yep. Sign us off. Jason: I think we're we're signing off. All right. Well, thank you guys all for hopefully tuning into us, listening in Wednesday mornings on Amazon, Apple, Spotify, YouTube. ⁓ give us a like, subscribe if you want to send us a message to send us a little hello, thank you, or any topics or anything you'd like to discuss, just drop us a line. Talk to you later. See ya. Marcus: Alright, see ya.