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S5 146. Gonzo Shimura – Age of Deceit 4 Exclusive & Testimony · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello folks, this is Princess. You are listening to the
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  corrupt informational system, media system.
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  at, is not against each other. It's against these
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  principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high
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  places. It's really worthwhile to read
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  captive and resist fear. You're going to have a testimony
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  that is a justice case against the Kingdom of darkness.
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  Hey, Master Chief Family. It's me, Princess.
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  I'm here in studio with my husband Rod and our brother in
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  Christ, BHB. Guys, I am so happy to be here.
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  Thank you for having me. Rod and Princess, we have Gon
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  Shamira, host of Canary Cry Radio, Canary Cry New Talk and
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  Face Like the Sun YouTube channel.
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  Rod has the exclusive interview on Gonz's testimony in the
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  Podcast, Mr. Rod Smith. Let's go.
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  Thank you for helping me with this amazing introduction, BHB
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  and my favorite frenemy and lover Princess.
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  So I want to tell you guys that this episode is so much more
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  than just the Age of Deceit exclusive.
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  Gon shares some inside information about his testimony,
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  how he came to the Lord. He was one of the guys that
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  early back in 2017 when I found him and his Co host Basil who
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  was on episode 100. If you guys didn't hear that,
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  that we're talking about things that the Lord was bringing to my
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  mind, questions that I had, stuff I was finding in the
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  Bible, when these guys were literally on the radio talking
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  about it, I felt like, listen, I'm not alone.
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  There's somebody else out there. So Gonz has been a huge
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  inspiration to me over all of these years.
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  I never thought I would have such an awesome interview with
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  him, but here we are. God works in mysterious ways.
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  And I think it's about time to jump into this episode.
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  I'm ready. Are you guys ready?
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  Let's go. Hey everybody, this is Gonz of
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  Face Like the Sun and Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News talk.
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  Welcome to the millennial mustard seed.
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  Gonz, it's an honor to be here with you, man.
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  I've been waiting a long time for this since since I ever
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  first heard you in 2017, actually.
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  Didn't know I would be talking with such a inspiration someday,
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  but it's an honor to have you here man.
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  Well, thanks for inviting me on. I don't feel great about being
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  called an inspiration. That's I think inspiration
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  belongs to the Lord. But thank you and thank, thank
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  the Lord for using a, a, a wrecked vessel like me to do
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  something good in the world. So I appreciate that.
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  Yeah, that just shows the humility and the genuineness
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  that I identify. And both you and your Co host
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  Basil. Basil was the one for episode
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  100, I want to say like 40 plus episodes ago.
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  Just to recap real quick before I have you just really introduce
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  yourself. It was back in 2017, working at
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  Three M where I didn't have anybody talking about the things
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  that I was experiencing and questioning that was like close
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  to my age group that actually understood like bring stuff up
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  to pastors. And it was just like
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  acknowledge, ignore. And so I came across you and
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  Basil and I just remember being like, my jaw hit the floor.
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  I'm like, there's more. There's other people out there
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  and I'm like, this is amazing. And just, you know, hearing you
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  guys wrestle through topics early on Canary Cry Radio, it
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  kind of gave me a license in a way to be like, man, I'm going
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  to be more vocal about all of this stuff I've experienced over
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  my life. The stuff my wife experienced
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  that she would bring up, you know, pillow talk, if you will.
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  I'm not alone. You know, someone else is out
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  there actually being legit. Hey, I'm a broken vessel here.
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  I am. The Lord is moving me, right?
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  The the scripture says he works in and through US to cause his
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  will to come about. And that is, in my opinion,
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  there's a lot of deception to wade through.
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  So to have you here, I honor you, man, and I just recognize
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  like what you have done. But why don't you tell us what
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  it is exactly that you do? Give us, you know, a brief
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  overview of your testimony. Oh, you cut out for a second
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  there. Are you still there?
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  Hold on. Did it glitch?
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  Yeah, totally glitch you were getting into.
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  Hopefully you can edit. I'm going to shut the video off
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  in case. Yeah, might help the the feed
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  there. OK.
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  Sorry, you were just about to tell me what to do and like, why
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  don't you? And then it's started getting
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  glitchy. Why don't you tell us exactly
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  what it is you do and give us a brief overview of your
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  testimony? Sure.
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  So I have been in media ministry, just online ministry
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  for over a decade now. I started in 2011 and it it
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  happened because I had a very similar experience to what you
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  just talked about there, where I was baptized and saved in 2007.
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  And you know, I have a whole life before then of I was in my
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  early 20s. I was did not grow up in a, a
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  Christian home. I was actually in a very
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  atheistic home. My parents are immigrants from
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  Japan. They came here in 1977 and I was
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  born in 1983. So I'm starting to go ancient in
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  that 40 mountain there. But yeah, so I had a background
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  of, of a very interesting culture clash between my
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  Japanese, you know, ethnic culture and American culture
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  living in America. And that shaped me in a certain
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  way. But also I was always a seeker
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  and trying to figure out what's going on, like what's true,
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  because it seemed like I couldn't really trust anybody or
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  anything. And that's, that's been a a
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  problem of mine personally for a long time.
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  But in 2007, a lot of the bigger things about, hey, is there a
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  God? Is there something that we can
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  identify with as people that explains the, the problem that
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  we see in this world of evil, of pain, of suffering, all these
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  things, but also the ability to explain love and this this just
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  myriad of emotions and experiences that people have.
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  Is there an explanation? And I found God to be a very not
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  just suitable, but coherent explanation for all that.
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  And so in 2007, that's when I was baptized and I got married
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  in 2008. And it was through my wife that
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  I actually even started my journey into the church with
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  that whole process. Because, you know, prior to that
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  I was, I wouldn't say I was new age, but I was, I was just
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  trying to seek something and some kind of spiritual
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  substance. And it was hard to find, you
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  know, I looked into different new age thinking I was looking
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  into Buddhism, which my parents came from.
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  And all of them, none of it was very fulfilling, you know, and
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  actually it was the monotheistic faiths that I was like that was
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  probably most against. It was like, these guys don't
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  know what they're talking about. And then come to find out, I
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  think maybe I was on the wrong side of that one early on.
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  But it was after the baptism and there was about a year of just
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  almost like a, a honeymoon period of discovering God,
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  discovering truth and being on fire.
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  And after that, I, I went through a, a lull, maybe like a
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  sophomore slump type of situation, except it lasted
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  maybe a couple more years than it should have.
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  Where I started looking at some of the topics that I were that I
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  was curious about growing up, which included supernatural
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  themes, angels, demons, aliens, things that you would see in
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  anime and a lot of Japanese culture.
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  Because I grew up again with a sort of a bridge between Japan
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  and America, living in America and growing up in America, but
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  you know, getting VHS tapes from my aunt of Dragon Ball before
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  Dragon Ball was even a thing in America, things like that.
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  So I was, I was exposed to science fiction and just your
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  more supernatural type of stuff early on.
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  And so I was always curious and interested in those topics.
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  And when I started looking at those topics and trying to
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  understand, well, OK, so if the word of God in the Bible is
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  truly what it claims to be, this, this thing that transcends
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  time and space and all this, then it should at least give
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  some reference or some context to these other topics like
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  aliens. And you know, 'cause if you, you
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  look down these, the list of topics there and you find that
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  they are big cosmic topics that are, you know, are we alone?
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  Is there a God? These are huge questions that
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  people have wrestled with for generations, for centuries or,
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  you know, millennia. So I knew there was a lot of
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  documentation, but OK, does the Bible actually address those
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  things? Is there a connection between
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  the topic of angels and demons that we find in the Bible with
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  aliens? And, you know, a lot of times
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  when I would bring it up with much like your experience, when
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  I would bring it up with, at the time, I was a tech at a church
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  for the high school ministry. I was not, you know, part of
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  the, the actual staff of the pastoral staff, but I was a tech
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  doing a lot of the high school ministry and junior high
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  ministry and the big church there at the the church.
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  And it was great for me because I did not grow up in the church.
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  So I got a chance to get, you know, all the sort of basics of
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  the gospel type of stuff from the high school level
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  perspective, which again, it was, it was helpful for me just
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  to fill the gaps. But in that process, I remember
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  asking some of those pastors, hey, what about aliens?
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  Is there is there anything about aliens in the Bible?
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  Is there any connection or any explanation or something?
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  And they were kind of like, yeah, no, not, not really.
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  I mean, there's angels in the Bible, but, you know, angels and
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  demons. But there's nothing about
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  aliens. OK All right.
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  So then I started looking online and trying to figure out stuff.
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  And what I discovered early on were people like David Wilcox or
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  Wilcock, I guess not Cox. But do you?
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  Do you know who David Wilcock is?
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  Yeah, well, I, I don't know. I've heard of David Wilkerson,
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  but I'm not familiar with. OK, so David Wilcock is not a
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  Christian. He is, he's he, he claimed at
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  the time to be the reincarnation of Edward Casey.
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  And, and yeah, and he had these, yeah, he had these like 3 1/2
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  hour, 4 hour podcasts that he would just rant about the energy
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  wave and 20 this was before 2012.
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  OK, so this is like 2010, 2009, 2010.
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  And some of this stuff was getting popular in the in the
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  corners of the Internet, you know, the people that are on the
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  fringes. And he was talking about how
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  we're going to have this galactic wave that is emanating
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  from the from the center of the Galaxy.
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  And it's part of the evolutionary process.
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  And December 21st, 2012 is the date when that wave hits the
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  Earth. And instantaneously we are all
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  going to ascend. And all you need to do is be 51%
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  good, just over half good, as long as you're half good.
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  If you're, if you're under that, if you're like a bad person,
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  you've done bad things or whatever.
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  And you have like a, a, you know, below 50% karma rate or
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  whatever it was, then you might perish.
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  But otherwise you're good. Just do good things, just be a
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  good person and you'll be fine. You'll be part of the big
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  upgrade. And I was, I didn't necessarily
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  believe it, but I was compelled. I was like, really like, how do
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  you even know that there's a galactic wave and all this
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  stuff? And of course, there's a lot of
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  surrounding conspiracies and, you know, energetic stuff going
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  on, conversations about ancient harnessing of energy and things.
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  So it was fascinating to talk about, but it was, it was
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  definitely off the wall. And I, I remember thinking like,
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  OK, wait a minute. All right, all right, so this
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  dude is saying that there's this galactic wave, there's this
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  ascension. And the big thing he was talking
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  about with, Oh, well, Jesus was just one of those guys.
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  He was, he was an ascended, he is an ascended master.
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  He came to the earth as one of the masters to show how this
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  whole upgrade process will go. And I was like, OK, that sounds
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  kind of good. I guess.
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  Like I know the Bible talks about a heaven, you know, and,
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  and new bodies. You go to 1st Corinthians 15 and
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  it talks about being born again in the spirit and having these
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  bodies and stuff. So it's like, OK, there might be
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  something there, but but also I was like, wait a minute.
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  But he's saying Jesus is some kind of like ascended master
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  Starship Enterprise, like captain or something of some
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  star cruiser. And he's like hanging out in
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  space, you know, kind of like the what was the I forget the
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  ones in the 19, the late 1990s, there was a cult that drank
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  kool-aid and killed themselves. I'm trying to remember them.
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  My brain is not working. Heaven's Gate.
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  Yeah, it was Heaven's Gate. I think it was called.
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  Yeah. So it's, you know, it sounded
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  kind of like that. And.
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  But OK, whatever. I was like, all right, well,
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  maybe there's something there. So I would ask questions like
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  that. And I can understand the pastors
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  pushing back on that kind of stuff.
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  You know, when I was asking questions like, hey, are is
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  Jesus an ascended master? And like, you know, he's just
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  showing us how to ascend into our astral bodies so that we can
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  live forever in, in the space astral realm or whatever.
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  I'm sure they were like, yeah, OK, go, go hang out, go stop
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  playing video games or whatever. But that's, that's kind of where
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  I was at. And I was like, man, I was
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  really confused. I was, I was really searching
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  and you know, what was so clear and obvious a couple years
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  before about God and who Jesus was, all of a sudden I started
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  doubting. I was like, wait a minute, it
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  was who's telling the truth here?
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  Because the identity of Jesus that I'm getting from this
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  church setting is not exactly what I'm getting from guys like
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  David Wilcock and others. There was Jordan Maxwell, he's
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  another one of these guys. And the Zeitgeist film had been
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  out for a couple years at that point.
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  And if you know about that Zeitgeist documentary, the first
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  one, you know, there was a part about the money system, which I,
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  I think mostly most people agree with, that the monetary system
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  is corrupt. And we can talk about that
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  another time. And then there was another
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  section on I think it was the 9/11 situation and how it was,
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  you know, sort of cover up and all that kind of stuff.
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  And then there was this other section that talked about how
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  Jesus is just like these other gods in the ancient past, Mithra
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  and, you know, all these different lowercase G gods that
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  existed in other religions, which turned out to be untrue.
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  A lot of it is just fabricated. But you know that that was a
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  popular documentary at the time. So it was, it was kind of in
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  that Gray area where I, I think a lot of people were asking
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  questions or starting to ask questions that were curious, but
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  they didn't, there weren't as many resources available or you
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  really didn't know where to look because there were still, it
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  was, this is still the late 2000 tens.
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  You know, you had YouTube and stuff and Facebook.
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  It was, was around, but it wasn't really big yet.
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  You know, that people, not everybody was on social media,
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  not everyone was doing online video content or audio content,
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  but there, but there were people out there.
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  And you know, in this in the midst of all this, and I
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  remember asking God too, like, hey, God, just please show me a
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  UFO. If this UFO thing is real, just
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  show me this crazy UFO. And of course, nothing
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  happening. But what did happen?
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  Because I remember really fervently like asking God, like,
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  Hey, can you show me something? Just tell me something so I can
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  just get this off my mind and, and you know, just show me some
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  truths. So I was listening to Coast to
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  Coast AM, which I did on a regular basis at the time with
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  George Nori and very popular late night AM radio show that
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  talked about all the crazy things.
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  But it was late night, you know, so it was out of the, the ears
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  of the normal people. And a guy named LA Marzulli was
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  on and he was talking about the, the guidebook to the
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  supernatural and the Yeshua. And he's like screaming and
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  yelling about all this stuff. And he, he, I was like, wait a
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  minute, The guidebook to the supernatural.
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  What is he talking about? And, and Yeshua, like what?
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  Who's Yeshua? Like, wait, is there another guy
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  with another weird angle about Jesus?
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  What's going on? So I started looking up LA
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  Marzulli and I noticed he had some fictional books that he had
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  written on the Nephilim. It was a Nephilim trilogy.
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  So I bought those. But actually I think my wife got
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  it for me for Christmas or something.
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  I think it was at the time. And so I, I, I went through and
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  I read it and I was like, Oh my gosh.
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  I think LA is like, like he's like a Christian Christian.
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  Like he's, he's like a grounded Christian.
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  Not not like just a new agey guy or I think he's but like.
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  Putting the Bible 1st and Jesus and it seems like he's got
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  everything straight. So that that started my journey
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  of like, OK, who's this Ali Marzulli guy tried to find all
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  his interviews. That's how I discovered Doctor
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  Future and Future Quake. They were another group that was
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  talking about not just the alien stuff and, and all that with the
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  Nephilim and all that, but it was also talking about the one
• 20:49
  world government, the New World Order, the the whole Illuminati,
• 20:53
  those conspiracies. And yeah, it opened up a whole
• 20:57
  host of people, Derek and Sharon Gilbert from PID Radio and A
• 21:01
  View from the Bunker. They're at Sky Watch TV now.
• 21:04
  And also Russ Dizdar and who else?
• 21:08
  I, I'm going to forget some people, but there was just a, a
• 21:11
  group of people that were really doing it.
• 21:13
  And they were standing on the shoulders of others, people like
• 21:15
  Chuck Missler. I found the Chuck Missler
• 21:18
  Firefighters for Christ MP threes that yo, those were
• 21:22
  amazing. These, these are just lectures
• 21:24
  that Chuck Missler did at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in
• 21:27
  like the, I think it was early 2000s or late 90s.
• 21:30
  And man, those things are timeless.
• 21:31
  They are absolutely timeless. And he, he really digs into all
• 21:35
  the stuff that, that, you know, you would never dig into the
• 21:38
  stuff about the Bible that you would never know.
• 21:40
  And he was coming at it from not just the, the scriptural point
• 21:44
  of view, but he was AI think he was like an engineer.
• 21:47
  So he had a mind. Oh he is.
• 21:49
  He's an impressive resume to be honest with you.
• 21:52
  Yeah, yeah. So and I, I got a chance to see
• 21:55
  Chuck Missler speak at one of the conferences shortly before
• 22:00
  he passed. And he was, he was, he was
• 22:04
  talking about the quantum stuff and I could tell.
• 22:06
  That a room was. Just like, what are I?
• 22:09
  We can't even follow. And I, I couldn't even follow.
• 22:11
  I was like, I don't even know what you're saying right now,
• 22:13
  but I'm just gonna let the spirit speak to me and I'm gonna
• 22:15
  soak it all in because the words aren't making sense.
• 22:17
  But but I'm, I know the spirit is resonating.
• 22:19
  So that was one of the coolest experiences there.
• 22:23
  I think it was in Branson in 2012 or 2013, trying to
• 22:26
  remember, but that that was really good.
• 22:29
  But. He was a legend.
• 22:30
  He was a legend. Every time LA is on we we
• 22:32
  literally bring up Chuck Missler.
• 22:34
  Of course. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm
• 22:36
  listening to Chuck, but that was like this like high eclectic
• 22:40
  setting of of information. But you and Basil were like the
• 22:45
  reality check of like here's people I can relate to.
• 22:48
  Like Chuck was talking about stuff like I don't, I don't even
• 22:52
  know what this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:54
  Doctor Michael Heiser is another one of those people that really
• 22:57
  was the foundation for a lot of this with his academic work.
• 23:01
  So yes, yeah, it opened up a lot of these people up and and just
• 23:06
  digging into all their stuff. And Chris White too.
• 23:08
  Chris White was on YouTube nowhere to run 1984 and he was
• 23:12
  making these videos about giants and and just all the stuff and
• 23:16
  conspiracies and he was cool enough to actually be almost
• 23:21
  like a he. He was technically a guest, but
• 23:23
  it it's more like a Co. He didn't want any other title
• 23:27
  than guests for the film. But he was almost like a Co
• 23:29
  writer or co-author of the film because he, he really helped me
• 23:33
  research stuff about Alice Bailey and, and some of the
• 23:36
  things I cover in age of deceit 1.
• 23:39
  And he also recorded a, a whole audio that he, you know, that I
• 23:42
  used for the film. He made it for the film.
• 23:44
  So I, I owe Chris a lot with just helping me out, getting me
• 23:48
  started. And you know, the reason why I,
• 23:50
  I was getting to the point of making the film after getting
• 23:54
  all this knowledge and starting to learn about it and making
• 23:56
  sense. It was like, OK, now I
• 23:58
  understand what's going on. The Nephilim, the Baneja Elohim,
• 24:00
  what's happening in Psalm 82? What's that?
• 24:02
  You know, what, what are all these passages about?
• 24:04
  What, what's the common thread that connects everything that
• 24:07
  happened from Genesis 1 all the way to Revelation 21 or 22?
• 24:12
  And just what, what is it? What's the big theme?
• 24:14
  What's the cosmic theme? And it's all this crazy stuff.
• 24:17
  It's all this weird stuff that seems to be.
• 24:20
  Yeah, well, it's pretty much mainstream now, you know, I
• 24:23
  mean, we got the alien stuff and UFO stuff happening with our
• 24:25
  government openly. You know, it's, it's just all
• 24:28
  this, all these things. So it, it, it was just, it, it,
• 24:32
  it was my brain was bursting. It was, there was too much, I
• 24:35
  had too much information in my brain and I had to let it out.
• 24:38
  It's like I can't just keep yapping at my wife about it.
• 24:40
  She's going to, you know, pick me up.
• 24:43
  So, so I was like, OK, I got to do something.
• 24:46
  I got to write, I got to do something.
• 24:48
  So I started a blog that was early 2011.
• 24:51
  I documented some, some of my Branson trips on that.
• 24:54
  I think some of it is in the archives, but the, the website
• 24:58
  is down now, unfortunately. But I did that and then by 20,
• 25:02
  by the end of 2011, I was like, I'm I'm going to make a film.
• 25:05
  I I have to try to leverage my tech skills.
• 25:07
  And I had never really done video editing.
• 25:09
  I'd done audio editing for a while, but no video.
• 25:13
  So I figured out how to video edit and put the film together.
• 25:17
  And that's it's, you know, it's kind of funny.
• 25:20
  People seem to like that indie feel.
• 25:23
  I think it's partly why I was very pretty successful was
• 25:26
  because it didn't feel like a polished, overproduced film.
• 25:29
  It was kind of like, yeah, I did it in my, my living room on a,
• 25:33
  on a computer, you know, and it wasn't perfect.
• 25:36
  The music was like too loud and there's just stuff wrong with
• 25:38
  it. But I think people related just
• 25:40
  because it was, you know, it was just, it was just a guy.
• 25:43
  I'm just a guy, you know, I had some research.
• 25:45
  I, I put it together. I tried to put it in a coherent
• 25:48
  sequence and I, I published it September 2011 and didn't think
• 25:55
  anything of it. It was just more like, I, I'm
• 25:56
  just going to put it out there, see what happens, you know, just
• 25:59
  have fun. And then with, before the end of
• 26:02
  the year, I think it was, there was like 30 or 40,000 views and
• 26:05
  I was like, Oh my gosh, that is, that's way beyond what I thought
• 26:08
  would you know, it would do. This is, this is amazing.
• 26:11
  And then in the next few months into 2012, quickly hit 100,200
• 26:18
  thousand. And I think by the end of the
• 26:20
  year, it was already, or the end of 2012, it had surpassed
• 26:22
  1,000,000 views. And it was like, I, I don't even
• 26:25
  know what happened. I, I didn't do anything, I
• 26:27
  didn't promote this. I have done nothing.
• 26:29
  I don't know why it's getting so many views, but there and then
• 26:32
  there it was like people knew about Face like the Sun and Age
• 26:34
  of deceit. And I guess it was being shared
• 26:37
  on social media everywhere and people were mirroring it.
• 26:39
  I encouraged people to just, you know, download the video and
• 26:42
  share it on your own platform. And I didn't care about all
• 26:45
  that. I just wanted the the
• 26:46
  information to get out. So that happened in yeah, 2011,
• 26:50
  2012. And that allowed me to leverage
• 26:54
  that and say, OK, well, do you guys want to hear more from me?
• 26:57
  I got a commentary on other things.
• 26:58
  So I started making videos about other things, just stuff
• 27:02
  happening in the world and I picked up steam and by the end
• 27:05
  of actually, I think it was by March of 2012.
• 27:08
  So I guess it was even earlier than that.
• 27:11
  You know, one piece of the let me go back, let me go back to
• 27:15
  September 2011 when I published the documentary.
• 27:18
  I was working at a church and I was a tech, so I was doing a
• 27:23
  lot. It was a kind of a bigger
• 27:24
  church. It's a, it was like a junior
• 27:26
  mega church. So, you know, not like a full
• 27:28
  blown, but it was it was pretty big.
• 27:30
  And I was actually working with Basil, my Co host for Canary
• 27:34
  Cry, and we had been actually in the same room.
• 27:37
  Basil probably told the other side of the story, but we were
• 27:40
  in the same tech room. He was doing like video stuff
• 27:43
  and my whole audio thing was on the other side of the room.
• 27:48
  And literally for about I don't, I don't know how long, couple
• 27:51
  months maybe. We were back-to-back every
• 27:53
  single day. And it was like, Hey, what's up?
• 27:56
  Hey, what's up, you know? And it was nothing, no
• 27:58
  conversation, nothing. He was just working, doing our
• 28:00
  thing. And then it was we would do
• 28:02
  these tech Bible studies once a week.
• 28:05
  And on one of the Bible studies, he, Basil, brought up Occupy
• 28:13
  Wall Street. This is how far back it goes,
• 28:15
  but he brought up Occupy Wall Street.
• 28:17
  He was very passionate about it and all this stuff.
• 28:19
  And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
• 28:20
  You know, this is sort of in the conspiracy realm and not sort of
• 28:23
  toeing the line of what's politically correct and all
• 28:27
  this. So we started chatting and it
• 28:30
  quickly evolved into talking about the Bible and talking
• 28:33
  about different weird things. And of course, we brought up the
• 28:37
  Nephilim. And the Nephilim stuff really
• 28:39
  sort of blew his mind. It was like, really, this is in
• 28:41
  the Bible. And I'm like, yeah, dude, you
• 28:42
  should check out this guy named Melanie Marsui.
• 28:44
  And, you know, already been in it for a couple years, but it
• 28:46
  was it was cool to see his, his his whole paradigm sort of makes
• 28:51
  sense because he was coming at it from all that stuff
• 28:53
  previously and he'd grown up in a more charismatic Christian
• 28:59
  upbringing. So he was in it.
• 29:01
  He was in a lot of the the stuff.
• 29:02
  So, but he didn't necessarily have the scriptures there to
• 29:07
  explain everything. Although I think there were more
• 29:10
  things that he understood then than I did at the time even.
• 29:13
  But so we started talking and we were like, man, we're having
• 29:15
  these great conversations. Let's hit record.
• 29:19
  We're sitting in this room, There's microphones.
• 29:22
  I know how to record. There's this big really
• 29:24
  oversized and overpriced mixing board that gets used barely
• 29:29
  because, you know, somebody donated way too much money for
• 29:33
  their stuff and they had to buy big gear.
• 29:35
  And they only use one out of like the 600 channels they have
• 29:38
  on this mixing board. So let's let's just give it a go
• 29:41
  and do it. And it's hilariously the first
• 29:43
  episode ever is edited because our boss, there's a moment where
• 29:47
  we're doing the podcast and our boss looks through the, the door
• 29:52
  window. There's like a door window.
• 29:54
  I, I still remember his face like just looking at us like,
• 29:57
  what are you guys doing? And we were like, so we had to
• 30:00
  stop and kind of talk to him about what we're doing.
• 30:03
  And he told us it wasn't Kingdom work.
• 30:04
  Like we had to show him the website and everything.
• 30:06
  And he told us the whole Canary cry thing was not Kingdom work
• 30:08
  at the time. So, you know, again, we faced
• 30:10
  some, some challenges along the way, but it was, we just, you
• 30:15
  know, did remote Skype, that sort of thing.
• 30:17
  And we kept going and we were able to connect with people that
• 30:21
  interview people. And, and that thing was, it was
• 30:24
  fun. It was a lot of fun.
• 30:26
  I was an audio engineer. So and I say was I, I mean,
• 30:28
  we're still doing it. And in 2016 we'd switched it
• 30:31
  over to more of a news deconstruction model.
• 30:35
  We're still doing the interview and topical stuff with Canary
• 30:38
  Cry Radio, and we'll get back on that horse a little bit more now
• 30:41
  that the the film is ready to go here in a few weeks.
• 30:44
  But that that's been sort of the journey.
• 30:47
  I've been doing that for over a decade now.
• 30:49
  It's 2024. So yeah, 13 years of just online
• 30:53
  ministry of breaking stuff down, trying to stay grounded.
• 30:57
  And it's not easy on at times, and it's definitely not popular
• 31:01
  most of the time to say the nuanced thing or the narrow path
• 31:06
  thing. But that's, that's sort of been
• 31:08
  the way I've tried to approach things.
• 31:11
  You know, the one of the big cool things that I've discovered
• 31:15
  from this is that the word of God really addresses all the
• 31:20
  issues. I mean, past, present, future,
• 31:23
  especially future, and in a, in a way that is applicable not
• 31:28
  just at the personal level, but also societal and then obviously
• 31:33
  cosmic. And so it's really a full scale
• 31:36
  type of thing when you, when you start to, at least for me, when
• 31:38
  I started seeing all this, it's like, OK, it explains world
• 31:42
  events. It explains my own, you know, my
• 31:46
  own pitfalls, my own sort of struggles in life, my own giants
• 31:50
  that I'm battling, but also literal giants, you know, it, it
• 31:53
  just goes through everything. And that was profound to me.
• 31:56
  And that's a message that I really hope people resonate with
• 32:00
  and are able to basically dig into stuff I've dug into.
• 32:04
  And, you know, I'm, I don't expect people to believe
• 32:07
  everything I believe or think the way I think or anything like
• 32:09
  that. In fact, I, I hope that everyone
• 32:11
  has a little bit of a, a difference with nuance and on
• 32:14
  different topics because I'm just one person.
• 32:16
  I'm doing what I can, but, you know, I'm sharing my thoughts
• 32:18
  and, and my reaction to things. But yeah, go back to the word of
• 32:21
  God, go back to the Holy Spirit, go get into prayer and, and you
• 32:25
  know, find, find whatever the Lord wants to show you.
• 32:27
  But in terms of building a community online with this,
• 32:31
  that's been the coolest part is seeing so many people message me
• 32:34
  and say, Hey, this is, you know, this has brought me back to
• 32:37
  church or this made me open the Bible back up or, you know, I
• 32:40
  got baptized or all that stuff. All those testimonials that I
• 32:43
  received over the years, that's been the coolest part for me.
• 32:46
  And, and that's why I always give praise to God.
• 32:48
  It's like, OK, this is a God thing.
• 32:49
  This is not, this is not because God's is so smart and I'm so
• 32:53
  brilliant and charismatic and I, you know, no, it's because God
• 32:57
  is good. And for whatever reason, he
• 32:59
  chose me to just do this little fringe weird podcast and has
• 33:04
  helped us survive over the years doing it value for value.
• 33:09
  So not really getting into the advertising game.
• 33:10
  And I, I can go into a whole journey about that too, because
• 33:14
  it was, there's an, an economic side to this that was really
• 33:18
  interesting for me where early on when I first published the
• 33:23
  film, people were like, Hey, how do we donate?
• 33:25
  And it was like, well, I wasn't really expecting money, but OK,
• 33:27
  if you guys going to donate, then here's a PayPal link or
• 33:29
  something. And then people were like, Hey,
• 33:31
  where do we get the DVD? And it's like, well, I don't, I
• 33:33
  don't make DVDs, but if you guys want DVDs, then I'll, I'll make
• 33:37
  some DVDs and I'll, you guys can have them.
• 33:38
  So it was, it was kind of like that.
• 33:40
  That's how everything happened. And then when YouTube came and
• 33:43
  was like, Hey, you got a million views on your thing.
• 33:46
  You got, you're getting 10s of thousands of views on your
• 33:48
  channel. Would you like to partner with
• 33:50
  us for an advertisement thing, you know, for Adsense?
• 33:54
  It was like, OK, yeah, sure. That that sounds, you know, at
• 33:56
  the time I don't, I didn't know much about what was going on,
• 33:58
  but it was like, OK, this is how people make money from this.
• 34:01
  If you have a a presence online on YouTube or something, OK,
• 34:05
  let's do that partnership. And you know what, it was sort
• 34:09
  of lucrative for a couple years. You know that I think 2013, 2014
• 34:14
  ish. It was like, oh, OK, I can make
• 34:16
  a video about this and it'll get 10s of thousands of views or
• 34:20
  hundreds of thousands of views in a, a, a couple days.
• 34:23
  And I get, I get a paycheck every month.
• 34:27
  And, you know, it was like a game.
• 34:28
  It was like, oh, OK, cool. I'm just going to keep pumping
• 34:30
  out content, pump out content more, more views equals more
• 34:33
  money. And you get into that mode.
• 34:34
  And it's not because you want to sacrifice your message or
• 34:37
  anything. It was just like, oh, YouTube
• 34:39
  gamified it, you know, and, and they made it so the content
• 34:42
  creators want to publish certain types of content.
• 34:45
  And what's interesting is that at the end of 2014, so this is a
• 34:51
  couple years into that whole thing where I'm like, oh wow,
• 34:53
  this is amazing. I can make a little bit of money
• 34:54
  on the side here doing this. All of a sudden, the topic of
• 34:58
  Flat Earth became, I don't know, it was like the center of
• 35:01
  attention for everybody in the conspiracy world.
• 35:05
  And that started an entire different trajectory for the
• 35:10
  general umbrella term truth community or truth movement or
• 35:14
  truther type of stuff. Because all of a sudden everyone
• 35:18
  just wanted to figure out if the Earth was flat or round and
• 35:21
  nobody cared about other stuff. Nobody cared about the
• 35:23
  Illuminati or the New World Order or the Freemasons or like
• 35:26
  all these evil people do. No, it was all that they were
• 35:28
  hiding, the fact that the Earth is, is actually flat.
• 35:31
  And look, I'm not conclusive on the topic, but it was weird.
• 35:34
  It was weird that it became a topic.
• 35:36
  And by 2015, I think Canary cried radio.
• 35:39
  We were one of the first people to to interview some of the
• 35:44
  folks on YouTube that were talking about this from the
• 35:46
  somewhat biblical perspective. Not everybody was there was a, a
• 35:49
  guy named Eric Dubai or Dubai, I guess Dubai, who is coming at it
• 35:53
  from a new age angle. Mark Sargent, who we interviewed
• 35:56
  was coming at it from, I don't know, he was sort of a secular
• 35:59
  view, but he, he sort of, I don't know, alluded to the Bible
• 36:02
  a couple times to make his points.
• 36:04
  But it was a fascinating topic. And interestingly enough, the
• 36:07
  Flat Earth topic is an old theological slash cosmological,
• 36:12
  you know, in her in house church topic that was dominated by more
• 36:16
  so the flat view for centuries. So it's an interesting,
• 36:20
  interesting topic in general and debate, I guess.
• 36:22
  But we we did the interview with Mark Sargent and then the the
• 36:27
  late Rob Skiba. I don't know if you you probably
• 36:29
  know Rob, Rob Skiba by name Joe. Yeah.
• 36:32
  So Rob Skiba came across that interview and he went all the
• 36:36
  way down that Flat Earth rabbit trail.
• 36:37
  He blames us, you know, he blamed us on air couple years
• 36:40
  later, he's like, I blame you guys.
• 36:42
  I was listening to that episode thinking this ridiculous topic
• 36:44
  and now I'm, you know, written a couple books on it or whatever.
• 36:47
  So but it, it changed the way going back to the economic
• 36:51
  thing. It changed the way money was
• 36:53
  being made because all of a sudden if you talked about Flat
• 36:55
  Earth, no money, no Adsense money, none of the advertisers
• 36:58
  were like, no, no, we're not going to advertise on Flat Earth
• 37:00
  videos. So it was this weird thing where
• 37:03
  it, it divided. There was an economic incentive
• 37:06
  that split, you know, the the truth community when it comes
• 37:11
  to, you know, what kind of content people want and what
• 37:14
  kind of content people are getting paid to make on YouTube.
• 37:17
  And so that started that. And by 2016 we got Trump.
• 37:20
  So you know that that thing was that thing completely.
• 37:23
  It was. But, you know, for us, it was
• 37:24
  kind of like long time. It was like, all right, we see
• 37:26
  something coming here. We see way too much left
• 37:30
  progressive momentum. It's going to swing the other
• 37:33
  way. And of course, Trump rode that
• 37:35
  way. I mean, he did it brilliantly.
• 37:36
  You know, he really tapped into that a crowd of people that were
• 37:40
  feeling disenfranchised about the country and everything else
• 37:43
  and, and got their vote for 2016.
• 37:45
  I, I guess so. But yeah.
• 37:47
  And then since then, I mean, again, we started news talk and
• 37:51
  we've been breaking down stuff since and yeah, it's been fun.
• 37:55
  It's been fun. It's been really a good learning
• 37:58
  experience along the way. And you know, it's, it's funny
• 38:02
  because we're sort of documenting our journey, our,
• 38:06
  our mind journey when it comes to what we think about the
• 38:11
  world. And, and what I've noticed is
• 38:12
  that the core principles have not changed.
• 38:15
  Jesus Christ is Lord, The Bible is the word of God.
• 38:19
  It tells the truth before you know, it's, it's tells the
• 38:22
  beginning from the end. It, I mean, it just, I don't
• 38:25
  know, it's, it's bigger than all of us.
• 38:27
  It's, it's, it extends and expands beyond our perceptions
• 38:32
  And it's really everything. So that that hasn't changed.
• 38:35
  And I think maybe I've gotten more cynical over the years.
• 38:39
  Like, I used to not want to joke around as much, but now I'm just
• 38:44
  like, man, everything is ridiculous.
• 38:45
  So you either cry or you laugh. So I chose laughter.
• 38:50
  And hopefully people will, you know, relate to that as time
• 38:53
  goes on. Powerful testimony is very
• 38:56
  interesting how God is working all of this together to wake up
• 39:01
  each generation. It's almost like in stages,
• 39:05
  yeah. You see the stuff kind of like
• 39:07
  peel back and then you see you just see like, not to prescribe,
• 39:14
  you know, names of biblical characters to people today, but
• 39:17
  we I believe we're seeing a generation of Joshua and Caleb's
• 39:20
  that are starting to rise up in the midst of the the the
• 39:24
  nightmare, the mess of 1,000,000 messages and signals that cause
• 39:27
  confusion and chaos. Premises of the podcast here,
• 39:30
  right. And your story is just powerful,
• 39:32
  man, because you really can see how your long journey and, and
• 39:38
  how God was kind of nudging you and showing you certain things,
• 39:41
  'cause I look around today and I feel like that that's like,
• 39:45
  that's a boot camp that certain people are going through now.
• 39:48
  Like there's so much that you brought up that I resonate with.
• 39:50
  Like, wow, yeah, that's, that's amazing.
• 39:55
  And it gives hope, you know, people that are like, hey, I'm
• 39:59
  not alone. There is a community of people
• 40:02
  out here that think like this. This is a a thought process that
• 40:05
  I'm not crazy. This is common.
• 40:07
  It's just, you know, technology is used by by the enemy, right,
• 40:11
  the Prince of the power of the heirs, but it also can be used
• 40:14
  for good. And that's what I see with what
• 40:17
  you have done. And and Ali Marzulli, Doctor
• 40:20
  Michael Heizer, right? I mean, the list goes on and on
• 40:23
  of people that have went out and said, listen, we're going to do
• 40:26
  things a little bit different. So it's very encouraging, man.
• 40:29
  Age of Deceit 4. Let's jump into it, man.
• 40:31
  You, you have a lot going on here.
• 40:34
  Yeah. What should we expect with Age
• 40:36
  of Deceit 4? What's kind of going on?
• 40:38
  Give us the inside scoop, if you don't mind.
• 40:40
  Yeah, so. One of the topics that I I
• 40:44
  didn't mention that Basil and I were resonating about when we
• 40:48
  first started having conversations was transhumanism.
• 40:52
  It's the topic of, I think everybody knows what it is now,
• 40:57
  but in 2011, 2012, if you brought up transhumanism with
• 41:01
  everybody, anybody, they would look at you like you had eight
• 41:03
  heads. It was like, what are you
• 41:04
  talking about? But it's it's basically the idea
• 41:07
  that humanity will ascend to a higher state of being or a high,
• 41:12
  more evolved state of being through the use and application
• 41:16
  of science and technology. So it was an interesting topic
• 41:19
  because, you know, I mentioned David Wilcock earlier and how he
• 41:23
  was talking about ascension and all this stuff.
• 41:24
  He was more talking about it as some kind of supernatural
• 41:27
  galactic wave, but he was also talking about the technologies
• 41:32
  that would assist in this new paradigm.
• 41:34
  And that, that the, the, I guess it was sort of the realization
• 41:41
  that, you know, this new body talk in First Corinthians 15,
• 41:46
  There's a real version of it. There's an actual, real version
• 41:50
  of this whole thing because Jesus displayed it.
• 41:53
  He, he died, he rose from the dead and he had a, he had a
• 41:56
  bodily resurrection. And if you study your Bible,
• 42:00
  he's going to have a physical bodily return, a second coming
• 42:04
  to judge and, you know, to restore things.
• 42:07
  So a physical body, often times people think of heaven as sort
• 42:11
  of this wispy, ethereal thing that you're somewhere, you know,
• 42:15
  not physical and there you are, you're walking around in in some
• 42:18
  kind of a body, but it's not, you know, it's not like a
• 42:21
  physical body, but all indications are that we are
• 42:24
  promised this physical body. And so the technology that's
• 42:28
  going to take us there. What is that?
• 42:30
  Well, it seems like a counterfeit.
• 42:31
  It's all taking what God is meant for good and, and the
• 42:36
  enemy trying to use it for his own because the enemy of course,
• 42:39
  believes he is God, right? Or he's better than God.
• 42:42
  You got the Isaiah 13 five I wills you know I will ascend
• 42:45
  above your throne and all this kind of stuff he talks about how
• 42:47
  he's better or he is God. So he's going to do all the
• 42:50
  things that make him or make the world believe that he is God.
• 42:54
  And, and that trajectory of technology and science was
• 43:01
  informed, people like me and Basil about stuff that might go
• 43:05
  down like a pandemic and a lockdown and a vaccine that, you
• 43:11
  know, passed through trials and tests and all that.
• 43:15
  They usually take over a decade or something in a few months.
• 43:18
  So all those things that prepared us to least understand
• 43:22
  what was happening. And it was also the lockdowns.
• 43:24
  I think people started to see the term transhumanism as part
• 43:27
  of the, the grand conspiracy relating to all the stuff with
• 43:31
  COVID. So, you know, people are more
• 43:32
  aware of the topic now, but I bring it up because I had
• 43:34
  always, always been tracking this topic of technology and
• 43:37
  science integrating with the human body.
• 43:40
  And what does that mean? You know, it made sense to me
• 43:42
  when I looked at I think it was Daniel verse or chapter 2, verse
• 43:47
  43 where it talks about iron not mixing with miry clay.
• 43:50
  And it was more traditionally from people like Ellie Marzulli.
• 43:55
  It was more like, oh, this is talking about the, the basically
• 43:59
  the sons of God and the daughters of Adam.
• 44:00
  Again, some kind of intervention, not intervention
• 44:06
  intermingling. Intermingling.
• 44:08
  Yeah, between. The fallen angels or the rebel
• 44:10
  angels and humans. And that certainly made sense.
• 44:13
  But also in the context of transhumanism, iron and clay
• 44:18
  being, you know, the human being and this whole passage being
• 44:20
  about iron not mixing with clay. I there is a coherent commentary
• 44:24
  about how it's, you know, it's, it's different.
• 44:26
  It's royalty versus the common person.
• 44:29
  And yeah, they'll marry the and it's part of the fall of Rome
• 44:33
  and they're going to try to marry outside of their family
• 44:35
  and do the thing, but it's not going to work and all this.
• 44:37
  So that makes sense in the context of Rome.
• 44:40
  But also in 20, you know, in the 20 tens, twenty 20s, you read
• 44:43
  that and it's like, oh, wow. Is this talking about like a
• 44:47
  some kind of literal mixing of an element with clay that
• 44:52
  represents the human body and how it won't cleave to one
• 44:56
  another, meaning that that it won't mix, you know, so that's,
• 44:59
  that's an interesting thought when it comes to what
• 45:01
  transhumanism is, what all this technology stuff up with the
• 45:04
  brain, computer interfaces and all these things, what they
• 45:07
  actually might be doing to our bodies.
• 45:10
  And within that I started looking at cryptocurrencies
• 45:15
  because what's a big topic in eschatology?
• 45:18
  Mark of the beast. Everyone knows about the mark of
• 45:20
  the beast. Calculate the number of the name
• 45:22
  6661. I guess one transcript has 616,
• 45:27
  but I think most people agree that it's the original language
• 45:31
  had the 666. But in any case, a lot of talk
• 45:37
  over the years about what the mark of the beast might be, bar
• 45:40
  codes, credit cards, you know, just tattoos in general, and of
• 45:44
  course, Bitcoin, cryptocurrency in the last decade or so.
• 45:47
  It's like, yeah, of course, yeah, 'cause this is the mark of
• 45:49
  the beast. Here it is.
• 45:51
  That was my initial reaction. It was like, yeah, this is
• 45:53
  another mark of the beast thing. It's a digital technology and
• 45:57
  it's going to, you know, it's going to fulfil this prophecy
• 46:00
  about how the image of the beast, which could be a hologram
• 46:03
  or some kind of, you know, computer screen thing.
• 46:06
  That or at the time, we didn't use the phrase metaverse, but
• 46:09
  some kind of virtual realm entity that mimics the human
• 46:13
  being, some kind of AI that appears to have life, the image
• 46:16
  that has breath as described in Revelation 13.
• 46:20
  Maybe it's some kind of machine or a hologram or something.
• 46:23
  And you have a digital money to go along with that.
• 46:25
  And if you don't have your mark on the right hand or the
• 46:27
  forehead, then you can't participate in this digital
• 46:29
  economy. Makes sense.
• 46:30
  Yep, Bible prophecy. But what I found was that
• 46:35
  initially it was like, OK, yeah, that's, that's sort of my
• 46:36
  initial reaction. That's sort of the, the standard
• 46:40
  reaction if you're, if you're familiar with any kind of Bible
• 46:43
  prophecy stuff, it doesn't matter if you disagree on the
• 46:46
  rapture timing or whatever. If you're familiar with anything
• 46:48
  with the Bible, especially Revelation, then you know, you
• 46:51
  first hear about Bitcoin and it's like, Oh yeah, this is it,
• 46:53
  this is it right here. Mark of the beast.
• 46:56
  The, the type of I started digging into the actual
• 46:59
  technology and I'm not super duper technical, but I, I feel
• 47:04
  that I can keep up with. I don't know how to code
• 47:07
  entirely or anything like that, but I have a, a loose grasp of
• 47:10
  stuff. My college roommates were
• 47:13
  computer science majors. So I have, I have a general
• 47:15
  understanding of what, you know, how some of that works.
• 47:18
  And I started looking at, I looked at the Bitcoin white
• 47:20
  paper and I started looking at why people were really stoked
• 47:24
  about Bitcoin. This is about 2016 now.
• 47:26
  So right around the time everyone was distracted with
• 47:29
  Trump and politics and everyone was being harvested into, you
• 47:34
  know, the truth community was being harvested into a political
• 47:36
  party. But I was looking at
• 47:38
  cryptocurrencies thinking, OK, this is interesting.
• 47:41
  Why, why are these people into it?
• 47:45
  And I, I started to learn that, oh, the people that are into it
• 47:48
  are anarchists, They are libertarians.
• 47:52
  These are people that were traditionally gold bugs.
• 47:55
  And I understood the problem with the monetary system, with
• 47:58
  the Fiat system and how I think everybody is up to speed on that
• 48:03
  now. And if you're not, I mean, you
• 48:05
  know, I think the last three years was a big education on how
• 48:08
  all this stuff works where, you know, people start asking really
• 48:11
  legitimate questions like, hey, why am I paying taxes if the
• 48:15
  government can just print money at will?
• 48:18
  There is no cap to the amount of money that we can print.
• 48:21
  Can't we just print my taxes? Like, why are we, why do we have
• 48:24
  to give money back? So people start asking those
• 48:26
  types of questions. Back in 2016, it was more along
• 48:29
  the lines of the G Edward Griffith creature from Jekyll
• 48:34
  Island concept where the central bank was created in the dead of
• 48:38
  night in 1913, I think it was right around Christmas break,
• 48:42
  there was a, a, a collusion of bankers and stuff that were
• 48:45
  like, hey, let's get together, let's make sure we have this
• 48:47
  entity, the central bank, and so we can control the monetary
• 48:50
  system in the United States. And by 1933, they, they
• 48:54
  confiscated everybody's gold. And then in 1971 they went off
• 48:58
  the gold standard. And, you know, there was no hard
• 49:01
  cap. There was no limit to the supply
• 49:03
  of the US dollar. The dollar just became an IOUA
• 49:06
  piece of paper. And again, it's it's you know,
• 49:09
  if you think, look at all that and you're like, oh, wow, you're
• 49:11
  this old monetary system. The monetary system we're in
• 49:14
  right now is one giant magic trick.
• 49:16
  It is, it is unbelievable. We're all buying into this magic
• 49:19
  trick. This piece of paper right here,
• 49:21
  it says one, this other piece of paper, it says 100 and you're
• 49:25
  supposed to give me more stuff because I'm giving you this
• 49:27
  piece of paper that says 100. It's absurd when you think about
• 49:30
  what's actually happening. So, you know, realizing all that
• 49:34
  and thinking, OK, is there I see it now.
• 49:36
  I, I, I, I these people that are really into Bitcoin and
• 49:39
  cryptocurrencies, they are looking at this from a
• 49:42
  perspective of, hey, this is a better money.
• 49:45
  And it's because some of the stuff going on under the hood,
• 49:49
  which goes into decentralization and distributed Ledger
• 49:53
  technology. These are all things that
• 49:56
  supports Bitcoin and how it works.
• 49:59
  And really, if you learn about what that is, you'll you'll
• 50:02
  understand that, you know, this is probably how the Internet
• 50:04
  should have been built from the beginning, which is basically,
• 50:07
  hey, anybody that has a computer pop on, we're going to verify
• 50:12
  this big Ledger together and make sure that nobody's playing
• 50:15
  any hanky panky. But that's not how it got
• 50:17
  developed. You know, it got developed with
• 50:19
  centralized authorities, the CIA, whoever, getting into
• 50:22
  different companies and using corporations and, you know,
• 50:25
  having control of the servers where all the Internet data is
• 50:28
  stored and and, you know, transferred and moved around and
• 50:31
  everything. And it's sort of a closed
• 50:33
  system. Well, Bitcoin changes that
• 50:35
  because all of a sudden the money is not something that is
• 50:40
  hidden behind, you know, the doors of the government or the
• 50:43
  doors of some corporation. It's just this open code
• 50:46
  software. Everyone can see it.
• 50:47
  Everyone can analyze the code. You can run the code on your
• 50:51
  home computer and validate that the the Ledger here that is, you
• 50:55
  know, verifying every transaction is maintained.
• 50:59
  Is that the blockchain? Technology.
• 51:00
  That's blockchain technology, yeah, so.
• 51:02
  Anybody can participate. But you know what's interesting,
• 51:04
  the whole time I'm going, anyone can participate.
• 51:07
  Kind of like the mark of the beast.
• 51:08
  Anybody can get it, you know, right here.
• 51:10
  So, so there's like this, this parallel, there was this duality
• 51:13
  even within me where it was like I see the immediate use case.
• 51:17
  I see how this is solving all of these problems with central
• 51:21
  banks and Fiat and the dollar. And you know that you can get
• 51:25
  into all people rant every single day on all kinds of
• 51:28
  podcasts about the problem with our monetary system.
• 51:31
  Now, you know, it's, it's, it's a very popular thing to do
• 51:33
  because it's, it's become more and more obvious that it is an
• 51:36
  issue. And you know, there's not much
• 51:39
  of AAA way for regular people to to do anything about it, you
• 51:43
  know, but all of a sudden there's a quarter out of chaos
• 51:45
  with it. It could, like, is that kind of
• 51:48
  like alien dialectic in a sense? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 51:51
  Yeah. A a longer play with that
• 51:53
  because, yeah, you have this problem, decades of a problem
• 51:57
  and and then you have this solution that's digital that
• 52:00
  lets everybody participate. So it's like, OK, all right,
• 52:04
  with transparency. With transparency, yeah, yeah.
• 52:08
  And it's it's, it's semi. Transparency so for for people
• 52:11
  that don't know how that works. So every transaction that's ever
• 52:15
  happened on the Bitcoin network, all, it's all it is, it's a
• 52:19
  network. Every transaction that's ever
• 52:21
  happened is recorded in blocks of data.
• 52:25
  So once it fills up a block of data, it closes and it creates a
• 52:29
  chain to another block. And then you know that as the
• 52:33
  transaction fills up on that block, it closes and it creates
• 52:36
  another block and it creates a a long chain over time.
• 52:39
  And the network of computers are there to validate that chain.
• 52:46
  So, so all this you can't come in and say, you know what, my
• 52:48
  transaction in 2019, I, I didn't really do that.
• 52:51
  See, I'm going to try to change the Ledger.
• 52:53
  Well, no, you have, you know, upwards more, more than 13,000
• 52:58
  nodes all over the world and probably more that aren't, you
• 53:01
  know, accounted for maintaining this Ledger and saying no, no,
• 53:04
  no, no, no, we have the, the real Ledger here that all of us
• 53:08
  are maintaining. And your transaction doesn't
• 53:10
  jive, you are rejected. So you can't, you can't, you
• 53:14
  know, go back and change things on this blockchain, it becomes
• 53:17
  immutable. So every transaction is
• 53:19
  immutable. It's, it's a crazy thought, but
• 53:21
  that's, it's, it's the big revolution of what Bitcoin did,
• 53:24
  which is it made digital things uneditable.
• 53:28
  Because, you know, up until that point, copy, paste, man, you can
• 53:32
  just copy paste anything on the Internet.
• 53:33
  You could text, pictures, whatever.
• 53:35
  You can copy, paste, copy, paste, copy, paste.
• 53:37
  Anything that's digital can be copy pasted.
• 53:40
  Well, all of a sudden this technology comes out where it's
• 53:42
  maintained by this Ledger and this distributed Ledger
• 53:44
  technology where you can't do that.
• 53:46
  You can't mess with the code, you can't mess with the the
• 53:49
  Ledger itself. And it just changed how digital
• 53:55
  things work. And so it's it's quite
• 53:58
  revolutionary. It makes sense.
• 54:00
  So that's where I was like, OK, this is revolutionary.
• 54:04
  This is probably going to get big.
• 54:07
  This is going to be big, you know, in 20/16/2017.
• 54:10
  Actually, it was funny because I have a whole separate sort of
• 54:14
  crypto journey when it comes to my own, I don't know, lack of
• 54:20
  knowledge and savvy. And you know, because all of a
• 54:23
  sudden you start looking into Bitcoin.
• 54:25
  That's one thing to learn about the knowledge.
• 54:26
  But you know, I was curious about the investment side too.
• 54:29
  You know, I, I didn't have, I don't have a big savings account
• 54:32
  or a trust or anything like that.
• 54:33
  You know, I didn't, I didn't know, I didn't learn anything
• 54:36
  about four O 1 KS or retirement funds or, you know, I just was
• 54:41
  not part of my upbringing. So it was like, all right, maybe
• 54:44
  this is something that can help me out with the, with my, my
• 54:48
  savings and stuff. So I started putting in little
• 54:51
  bits of money into Bitcoin in 2016.
• 54:54
  And in 2017 there was a huge run.
• 54:57
  Bitcoin went from under $1000 to $20,000 in a year.
• 55:03
  And I was looking at myself like, I'm a genius, I'm so
• 55:06
  smart, this is great, this is fantastic.
• 55:08
  You know, I'm, I, I'm always ahead of the game, you know, all
• 55:11
  this kind of stuff. But of course, if you don't sell
• 55:13
  it, then, you know, you ride it all back down.
• 55:16
  And that's what happened in 2018.
• 55:18
  It get peaked out. And then because I didn't know
• 55:20
  what was going on, I watched it go to $20,000 and then go all
• 55:23
  the way back down to like $3000 or so.
• 55:26
  I think it was. I think it was 3000 was the
• 55:28
  lowest. And yeah, it was just kind of
• 55:30
  like, and then I saw it rise again and it was just this crazy
• 55:34
  emotional roller coaster. And so.
• 55:37
  But so there's a whole side of experimenting with web three and
• 55:41
  everything all just trying to stay out of the curb with some
• 55:44
  of that because it is value for value.
• 55:47
  It is sort of the next stage of social media.
• 55:51
  And so I think it's important to at least get my feet wet to
• 55:55
  know, OK, let's make sure that if a whole bunch of people, a
• 55:59
  whole bunch of believers especially, are going to be
• 56:00
  diving into this in the next few years, that believers have
• 56:04
  treaded in that area and know not where, you know, put up
• 56:07
  signs is like, Hey, this is a little dangerous over here.
• 56:10
  This is safe over here. Just put up some guidelines
• 56:12
  because it's the Wild West, man. I've clicked on buttons, I've
• 56:16
  clicked on links where I just get drained like my my whole
• 56:19
  wallet with stuff in it like NFTS or whatever gone just
• 56:23
  because I clicked on a, a bad link.
• 56:25
  So it it can happen it it's really and you can't call
• 56:28
  anybody. There's, you know, you can't
• 56:29
  call so well, look, can I? Pose Just a thought I'm having.
• 56:32
  Of course, all of this do. You think that it's?
• 56:35
  Going to require a is governance because it's the the over
• 56:38
  complexities of the entire thing.
• 56:40
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, this is, this is where
• 56:43
  it's all headed. Yeah.
• 56:45
  Where I, I think AI is because what we're building is so beyond
• 56:50
  the scope of any individual human or even group of humans to
• 56:55
  sift through AI is, is going to do that for us and the danger
• 57:00
  here. And so let me get into more
• 57:02
  specifically the age of deceit force stuff, because that's that
• 57:04
  was all kind of leading up to what I started noticing when I
• 57:08
  was doing this research was that there was a lot of documentation
• 57:13
  from, you know, scientific journals, you know, the, the
• 57:17
  government, various documents they've made public was talking
• 57:22
  about the effects of Bitcoin and how it or, or not just Bitcoin,
• 57:29
  but more specifically, it was distributed systems like
• 57:32
  distributed ledgers and distributed computing systems
• 57:36
  and how they were reflecting biological properties.
• 57:41
  And that's when I was like, woah, woah, woah, woah, OK, wait
• 57:44
  a minute. Now we're talking about
• 57:47
  computers that are starting to exhibit biological properties.
• 57:55
  I had to learn more. I was like, I need to know more
• 57:56
  because I've talked about synthetic biology over the years
• 57:59
  and you know, all that kind of stuff, CRISPR tech and all this.
• 58:02
  But and, and I knew about Bitcoin and I knew about how
• 58:05
  this all works, but there wasn't anything that was like, there
• 58:09
  has to be something a little bit more going on here.
• 58:11
  And for example, let me just give you an example from the
• 58:15
  National Library of Medicine. This is the NIH website.
• 58:18
  So, you know, during COVID, a lot of people visited the NIH
• 58:22
  dot Gov website to look at a bunch of articles that they've
• 58:25
  published, right, that they, they reveal certain things about
• 58:28
  what they're really doing. Well, there was a, a study here
• 58:31
  published back in 2020, July, and it is titled from microbial
• 58:37
  communities to Distributed Computing systems.
• 58:41
  And it talks about how they define a distributed biological
• 58:47
  system as, you know, a group of subpopulations that communicate
• 58:52
  and coordinate actions through interpopulation messages and
• 58:56
  interactions. And that's, you know, you see
• 58:59
  that in nature from from, you know, microbial communities to
• 59:01
  flocks of birds and, you know, various things.
• 59:04
  You see it in, in nature. Well, they're saying, yeah,
• 59:07
  we're noticing the same kind of effects with block chains
• 59:12
  because it's an ecosystem. There's information that gets
• 59:15
  carried out and then change their behavior based on that
• 59:18
  information. And so the NIH, the National
• 59:23
  Institute of Health, has a paper right now that was published in
• 59:26
  2020 arguing that block chains resemble biology, like the
• 59:32
  biological world. So here we have saying that a
• 59:37
  computing system is like an animal and, you know, connecting
• 59:42
  that to the beasts in Daniel seven.
• 59:46
  Yeah, Daniel seven in Revelation 13, where you have the lion, the
• 59:51
  leopard and the bear and the 4th terrifying beast, which in
• 59:55
  Revelation 13 seems to reveal that it's a it's a conglomerate
• 59:59
  of those first three beasts. It seems to be, there seems to
• 1:00:02
  be something there. Maybe God wasn't.
• 1:00:04
  Of course, God doesn't make mistakes to choose beasts and
• 1:00:08
  particular animals to represent this final beast system.
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  There may have been more to it than just analogy and metaphor.
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  It may be there's something literally biological, like an
• 1:00:20
  animal type of thing going on. And that's where you got AI
• 1:00:26
  reflecting on the minds of these entities.
• 1:00:29
  And then you have the literal blockchain helping to carry out
• 1:00:35
  the, the body or the the network itself, the ecosystem itself,
• 1:00:39
  throughout the world, throughout the world, throughout the world,
• 1:00:45
  throughout the world. And now we talk about network
• 1:00:57
  States and those are ideas we can get into a little bit later.
• 1:01:01
  But it, it just compelled me because in Age of Deceit 3, I
• 1:01:05
  did a full breakdown of those animals and I was looking at it
• 1:01:08
  and I knew something was up with it.
• 1:01:09
  I didn't have the whole, you know, blockchain biology stuff
• 1:01:11
  back in 2018 when I was publishing Age of Deceit 3, I
• 1:01:16
  had some notes on it and I, I knew of the topic because it
• 1:01:19
  was, you know, I had some links and stuff that I had saved from
• 1:01:23
  earlier. But the at the time, in 2018, I
• 1:01:26
  broke down some of the character traits of the animals.
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  So with the leopard, you study leopards in the Bible in
• 1:01:33
  general, and you find that, you know, there's a passage about a
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  leopard watching from outside the gates of the city.
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  You know, he's, he's watching, waiting for the people to leave
• 1:01:44
  so he can devour them. And it's sort of reminiscent of
• 1:01:47
  this total surveillance state that we live in, that it's kind
• 1:01:51
  of like the leopard. We're being watched all the time
• 1:01:53
  we have and, and they're always sort of the a threat to devour
• 1:01:57
  us. It's a very interesting, if you
• 1:01:58
  go outside the lines, you can get devoured.
• 1:02:00
  It resembles the leopard beast. Then you have the bear, which I
• 1:02:04
  find most interesting because you have the three ribs in its
• 1:02:09
  teeth. It was like up on its side.
• 1:02:11
  And the three ribs. You talk about ribs and you know
• 1:02:16
  that in Genesis 3, the woman was made from a rib of Adam, Adam's
• 1:02:22
  rib. And it was, you know, people
• 1:02:24
  have described it as some kind of surgical process there where
• 1:02:29
  you have Adam go into a deep sleep, God takes out a rib and
• 1:02:34
  the rib becomes woman. And you have this bear here,
• 1:02:36
  this eschatological bear have three ribs in its teeth.
• 1:02:42
  And I thought, wow, could this be some kind of indication or
• 1:02:46
  symbol that represents the biological changes in in our
• 1:02:51
  world today, like literally changing our DNA, our biology
• 1:02:55
  with people have talked about the third strand of DNA, the
• 1:02:58
  synthetic DNA and that kind of stuff.
• 1:03:00
  Here's a crazy thought that just popped.
• 1:03:01
  Into my head with that, OK, the three ribs would.
• 1:03:04
  Could that also have to do with the three monotheistic religions
• 1:03:09
  that are predominantly known around the world?
• 1:03:12
  That's a good one. Yeah, I mean, it could be the
• 1:03:14
  unholy Trinity 3 is a very powerful number, so it's
• 1:03:17
  definitely got sorry, I just that one.
• 1:03:19
  Was like jumping out. I'm like, oh, I gotta say this.
• 1:03:21
  No, it's always multi layered. Like I say this, everything's
• 1:03:25
  multi faceted, multi layered. It's circum punct.
• 1:03:28
  But anyway dude, I'm loving everything.
• 1:03:32
  So, yeah, the, the, so they got the teeth there with the three
• 1:03:35
  ribs and that was very compelling to me.
• 1:03:38
  And just as a side note, this is very much against the
• 1:03:41
  traditional interpretations of the lion, the bear and the, the
• 1:03:45
  leopard that you get. And so I, I understand that.
• 1:03:47
  And so I'm not like, I'm not too dogmatic about it because I
• 1:03:50
  don't want, you know, I don't need like the Gon's view of, of,
• 1:03:54
  you know, whatever. And people getting mad and
• 1:03:56
  debating other people said that's not what I need.
• 1:03:57
  So, you know, take this with a grain of salt and do your own
• 1:04:01
  research and stuff, but I found it compelling.
• 1:04:03
  And then you have the lion, which had eagle's wings, and
• 1:04:08
  then the eagle's wings were plucked and it was stood up to
• 1:04:11
  stand like a man. And one of the commentary
• 1:04:14
  suggested that this was a downgrade, that the lion was
• 1:04:17
  sort of this magnificent or majestic creature representing
• 1:04:22
  authority. And the fact that he had wings
• 1:04:25
  meant that he had some kind of supernatural authority.
• 1:04:28
  And for the wings to be plucked means that that supernatural
• 1:04:31
  authority goes away. And then even more, you know,
• 1:04:35
  the the lion sort of moniker goes to a human, which is again,
• 1:04:40
  if it's a downgrade, then it's like, oh, you're you're sort of
• 1:04:42
  being stuffed into a man kind of thing.
• 1:04:44
  But it's also, you know, it could be a reference to the
• 1:04:47
  Antichrist man of SIM himself, or perhaps again, the it's sort
• 1:04:53
  of the reverse ascension, right? The people that think that
• 1:04:55
  they're going to ascend to become gods or become more, more
• 1:05:00
  evolved human or whatever that, you know, they think they're
• 1:05:03
  doing that, but actually they're down grading from their
• 1:05:05
  God-given status. So, you know, these are all
• 1:05:07
  things that can be speculated on.
• 1:05:09
  And I, I, I found it very compelling that that the
• 1:05:11
  combination of those three things is the final beast
• 1:05:16
  devours. And actually, interestingly
• 1:05:18
  enough, that beast devours Mystery Babylon and mystery
• 1:05:22
  Babylon seems to be the eschatological city of
• 1:05:26
  Jerusalem, which is a very touchy subject right now, which,
• 1:05:29
  you know, it goes into all kinds of stuff you can get into.
• 1:05:31
  But I don't go into all that in the film.
• 1:05:34
  I, I stick to the, the blockchain and Bitcoin and, and
• 1:05:36
  that side of it. I think there's plenty of time
• 1:05:38
  to discuss some of the more geopolitical aspects of this as
• 1:05:41
  time goes on And, and the geopolitical stuff is always
• 1:05:44
  changing too. And right now, if you're not, if
• 1:05:48
  you're not having a conversation about, you know, one side or the
• 1:05:51
  other, people tend to turn you off.
• 1:05:52
  So I, I purposely avoided that. But at the same time, I wanted
• 1:05:56
  to address a, a topic that is, in my opinion, sort of the
• 1:05:59
  elephant in the room. Everybody is really excited
• 1:06:02
  about Bitcoin now. A lot of Christians are like,
• 1:06:03
  hey, this jives with Christian principles.
• 1:06:06
  And I agree with a lot of those things that those people are
• 1:06:10
  saying Pastor coin out there. And there's a few others.
• 1:06:13
  And the other great thing that I've discovered, which is a
• 1:06:16
  good, good thing for the, the body of Christ is that a lot of
• 1:06:20
  people in the world of crypto who are either content creators
• 1:06:25
  or, you know, technical analysts or just just people that are
• 1:06:28
  Bitcoin people publishing books and papers and doing stuff.
• 1:06:33
  Many of them are Christians. I don't know what flavor of
• 1:06:38
  Christian and I, I, I think some of them are Catholic, but I've
• 1:06:41
  met plenty that are just Christian.
• 1:06:43
  They're just, hey, I believe in God, I love Jesus Christ, you
• 1:06:47
  know, and I think this is big Bitcoin thing is great for the
• 1:06:49
  church. You know, it's a great way to
• 1:06:50
  get us out of this situation, which again, in, in the vacuum
• 1:06:53
  of right now, I, I think it might be, it might be a good
• 1:06:56
  hedge against whatever they're planning to do with the, the US
• 1:06:59
  dollar, which everyone can feel, everyone can feel the inflation.
• 1:07:02
  Everything is more expensive. It's not that everything that
• 1:07:05
  the US dollar is becoming stronger or that those items are
• 1:07:07
  becoming more expensive. No, it's that your dollar is
• 1:07:10
  worth less than it was a couple years ago because they printed
• 1:07:14
  so much. And so now everything costs
• 1:07:16
  more, everything that the dollar itself is cheaper.
• 1:07:20
  And so, you know, it changes your psychology a bit.
• 1:07:21
  It's like, Oh, I get it. It's not so much that things are
• 1:07:24
  more expensive. The thing itself offers the same
• 1:07:27
  value it did before. It's just that the, the money
• 1:07:29
  itself is cheaper. And so we got to pay more to,
• 1:07:32
  you know, to get it. So anyway, that, that whole side
• 1:07:36
  of things was, I don't know, it, it, it jived with so many
• 1:07:41
  different things going on. And I, I discovered that the
• 1:07:47
  other topic here. And, and just to move on from
• 1:07:49
  just the Christians out there talking positive about the
• 1:07:51
  Bitcoin, the elephant in the room.
• 1:07:53
  The, the big thing people aren't talking about is where this
• 1:07:55
  technology is headed. And that's kind of where I've
• 1:07:58
  always been sort of the Watchmen on the, the watchtower, kind of
• 1:08:01
  looking as far as I can into the horizon and just bringing
• 1:08:04
  reports of, Hey, this is what seems to be out there.
• 1:08:07
  And, and that's what really got me down.
• 1:08:09
  This biology, Bitcoin, AI and also quantum thing, because
• 1:08:16
  quantum is another variable in this that is pretty, I don't
• 1:08:21
  know, it's pretty big because quantum computing practically
• 1:08:26
  will change all the hardware standards.
• 1:08:28
  And right now we can't really imagine what that's like because
• 1:08:34
  of course we're going through the the tensions in Taiwan with
• 1:08:36
  the microchip factory and, you know, China and the US sort of
• 1:08:40
  fighting over territory of who gets to be friends with the
• 1:08:43
  island nation that makes all of the microchips for the whole
• 1:08:45
  world and, and things of that nature.
• 1:08:47
  But when quantum computing becomes more viable and
• 1:08:50
  applicable and, you know, brought into everyday use case,
• 1:08:56
  it will change a lot. Because the basic way quantum
• 1:08:59
  computing works, as far as I understand, is that it uses the
• 1:09:06
  fabric of creation. If I, if I could be crude to do
• 1:09:09
  your computing, whereas, you know, right now we need wires
• 1:09:13
  we, we have Wi-Fi, so we have signals traveling through the
• 1:09:16
  air, which is already pretty crazy, right?
• 1:09:17
  It's, it's pretty nuts that we're able to do this now.
• 1:09:21
  But with quantum, the way I've heard it described is you have a
• 1:09:25
  computer point A, and you can get information to Point C And
• 1:09:31
  what's happening at point B is basically not in this realm.
• 1:09:35
  It's it's it's it's in like this other realm.
• 1:09:37
  So it's like, OK, science is starting to talk about realms
• 1:09:41
  and other realms and pushing information in and out of that
• 1:09:45
  realm. So OK, yeah, sounds a little bit
• 1:09:48
  like occult magic or opening portals or something like that.
• 1:09:52
  But all right, there you go. That's going to integrate with
• 1:09:55
  the computers that have biological properties like
• 1:09:59
  blockchains with AI that's able to, I don't know, sort it all
• 1:10:03
  out and communicate and implement all that.
• 1:10:05
  I mean, we're talking about, I don't know, big beasts, like big
• 1:10:09
  animals that we'd live, that we have to interact with to live,
• 1:10:15
  you know, our, our very being of getting food and water and all
• 1:10:18
  this stuff will depend on accessing this beast.
• 1:10:21
  It's, it's a quite crazy. So that's all the stuff I was
• 1:10:25
  looking at and thinking, OK, we need to really talk about this
• 1:10:28
  because short term Bitcoin, crypto, sure it, it might be
• 1:10:32
  something that gets people out of the rut, you know, out of,
• 1:10:35
  out of the, the rat race, so to speak.
• 1:10:38
  And great, fantastic, That's wonderful.
• 1:10:40
  And you know, as an earlier investor of Bitcoin, I, I have,
• 1:10:44
  I don't have a lot of Bitcoin. I, I would never consider myself
• 1:10:47
  an influential in any way when it comes to, you know, the
• 1:10:50
  actual monetary side of things. But if there are Christians who
• 1:10:56
  invested early and they are, they, they have influence in
• 1:10:59
  that realm, I think it's very important for those people to
• 1:11:02
  understand that, hey, there may be a limit to this and they have
• 1:11:05
  to come to their own conclusions about where that limit is.
• 1:11:07
  But I, I think that we have to be talking about there, there
• 1:11:11
  might be a day we have to just shut it all off or, you know,
• 1:11:14
  this is where I draw the line or whatever it may be.
• 1:11:17
  And it, it's very invasive. It's very invasive and people
• 1:11:22
  don't realize it yet. It's kind of like COVID and the
• 1:11:25
  vaccines and everything else. If I told you that in 2015, if I
• 1:11:30
  told you that, hey, they're going to lock down the whole
• 1:11:33
  world, you're not going to be able to go outside without
• 1:11:35
  somebody judging you or a police officer arresting you or
• 1:11:37
  something like that. You got to get anywhere you want
• 1:11:39
  to go. You got to put on this mask.
• 1:11:41
  And then if you really want to keep your job or do all these
• 1:11:44
  other things you got, you have to get this shot, you have to
• 1:11:47
  get this vaccine or you lose your job.
• 1:11:49
  You would have said not, not, not in this world, not in this
• 1:11:53
  earth that we live in now. No way.
• 1:11:55
  That's never going to happen. How are they going to do it?
• 1:11:57
  How are they going to implement that?
• 1:11:58
  Boom, few years later it happened.
• 1:12:01
  And so you can never say never with this stuff.
• 1:12:03
  And if and when we have a day when all the stuff goes online
• 1:12:09
  and all of a sudden it's like, hey, if you want to continue
• 1:12:12
  accessing the Internet, look, there's so many bots, there's so
• 1:12:16
  many, you know, problems with the Internet and all this kind
• 1:12:18
  of stuff. The only way we can do it is if
• 1:12:20
  you can verify yourself via your DNA or you know, whatever your,
• 1:12:26
  your molecular makeup or your something, some kind of imprint
• 1:12:30
  that is biological and unique to you.
• 1:12:33
  That's the only way you're going to be able to do it.
• 1:12:34
  That's why world coin exists. World coin that Sam Altman
• 1:12:38
  created the creator of ChatGPT and open AI.
• 1:12:42
  He created World Coin, which is, if you don't know, world Coin is
• 1:12:44
  a, an orb that you stare into and it takes a, a scan of your
• 1:12:49
  iris and verifies that you're human.
• 1:12:52
  And that's how you're able to have access to that digital
• 1:12:56
  realm. I mean, it's literally, it's,
• 1:12:57
  it's the most dystopic thing you can imagine.
• 1:13:00
  So yeah, it's, it's crazy. It's, it's, it's the whole
• 1:13:02
  thing. But he made it because, you
• 1:13:05
  know, it's crazy. You think that these people are
• 1:13:07
  insane, evil, evil villains. But in his mind, he made it
• 1:13:11
  because he sees what's coming with all this AI and all these
• 1:13:14
  bots and robots and the human being itself.
• 1:13:17
  It's, it's going to be interesting the, the person that
• 1:13:20
  you think is on the other side of the computer or machine, it's
• 1:13:22
  going to become indistinguishable with AI and
• 1:13:24
  all that. So trust is going to be a huge
• 1:13:26
  issue and one of the sayings of blockchain technology and people
• 1:13:30
  that are really into Bitcoin, oh, it's a trustless system,
• 1:13:33
  meaning you don't have to trust anybody else.
• 1:13:36
  You can trust the Ledger because the Ledger doesn't lie.
• 1:13:40
  Men lie, women lie, but the Ledger doesn't lie because it's
• 1:13:44
  immutable. No one can change it.
• 1:13:46
  So think about an audit. It's always being audited by the
• 1:13:49
  public. That's what's happening with
• 1:13:50
  this Ledger. So in the same way you can, we
• 1:13:53
  need to audit you. We need to audit that you're a
• 1:13:55
  real human. And if you want to post
• 1:13:57
  something on this website, you got to you got to, you know,
• 1:13:59
  verify that you're a human being.
• 1:14:00
  I think that's where X is going eventually with, you know,
• 1:14:03
  obviously Elon Musk neural link. They want to make sure you're a
• 1:14:07
  human being that well, great way to do that.
• 1:14:09
  Hey, you got the neural link in your brain.
• 1:14:11
  That's good. All right, We got a direct
• 1:14:13
  connection to your brain and we know you're human because we can
• 1:14:17
  see your brain activity. I mean, that's the level we're
• 1:14:19
  getting to. And that's where I'm kind of
• 1:14:21
  like, OK, let's let's pump the brakes on, on the crypto stuff.
• 1:14:25
  Besides the, the price action and all that.
• 1:14:27
  And that's all exciting. But when it comes to the bigger
• 1:14:29
  picture of what this thing is, and I'm not saying Bitcoin
• 1:14:32
  itself is going to be this, but in terms of blockchain
• 1:14:34
  technology in general, where are we headed with this?
• 1:14:38
  And it's, it's, it's the big warning because there was a,
• 1:14:41
  another National Institute of Health paper that was published.
• 1:14:46
  This was published back in 2013, I think maybe 20.
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, April 2013. And it's titled, this is the
• 1:14:53
  title of the paper is Editing the Book of Life with Molecular
• 1:14:59
  Scissors. Like yay, we can edit the book
• 1:15:03
  of life. Really a Science Journal, a
• 1:15:05
  government science platform titled their thing Editing the
• 1:15:10
  Book of Life with Molecular Scissors.
• 1:15:12
  It's talking about CRISPR technology and there's a picture
• 1:15:17
  of adna strand with a pair of scissors going through it.
• 1:15:20
  And I mean, is there any reference to that in the in the
• 1:15:24
  Bible? Is there any time when you mess
• 1:15:27
  with the DNA? Oh, there happens to be, there
• 1:15:30
  happens to be a, a really, really important time back in
• 1:15:33
  Genesis where something like this seems to have appeared.
• 1:15:37
  And in fact, it explains a whole lot about what's going on under
• 1:15:40
  the surface. Well, throughout the entire
• 1:15:42
  Bible, even Jesus's ministry and even all the stuff about his
• 1:15:46
  return. So, you know, just, well, it's
• 1:15:47
  like they're mocking people. Too, because literally, why use
• 1:15:50
  that specific language? You know, all of this, even the
• 1:15:54
  quantum entanglement, the Bible says we are the shadow of a
• 1:15:56
  larger reality, right? And so it's it's almost like
• 1:16:00
  they're only with those with an ear to ear and an eye to see.
• 1:16:02
  You can even start to take you to the throne room and say, God,
• 1:16:05
  give me discernment, help me to understand this.
• 1:16:08
  And then equipping themselves to be Berean.
• 1:16:10
  Like we're all called to that. If you're a Christian, you're
• 1:16:13
  called to be a Berean. Also studying to show yourself
• 1:16:15
  well approved with the readiness of mind.
• 1:16:17
  Can you find it in the word of God?
• 1:16:18
  They study daily. They were applauded for doing
• 1:16:21
  such things. And it's just fascinating to
• 1:16:23
  hear all of these connections you're making because with some
• 1:16:26
  of the interviews I've done just over, I'd say even the last
• 1:16:29
  year, you know, Doctor Manzo coming on, it just went crazy.
• 1:16:33
  We did a four part series talking about nano technologies
• 1:16:37
  and getting into, you know, some of this language where it
• 1:16:39
  overlaps. It's like it webs and weaves
• 1:16:42
  together in all of these other areas.
• 1:16:44
  And as you zoom out to the macrocosm and then you, you
• 1:16:47
  like, understand, there's some biblical threads that may not
• 1:16:50
  precisely say it's going to go down this way.
• 1:16:52
  But I also believe that that was a mechanism God was using to
• 1:16:55
  raise up people who were after his own heart profits, you know,
• 1:16:59
  people with discernment to be able to give a breakdown on
• 1:17:01
  this. Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  And so we're living. In this really unique.
• 1:17:04
  Time slot, man, where everything you're saying like I'm rocking
• 1:17:08
  with you, some stuff is a little bit over my head just in the
• 1:17:10
  sense because it, it's I have to marinate on a lot of this stuff.
• 1:17:14
  Sure. Yeah, this stuff, it's
• 1:17:15
  fascinating. The the blockchain thing.
• 1:17:17
  With the, you know, this beast or animalistic component and
• 1:17:22
  that being married into this quantum entanglement idea that
• 1:17:27
  is fascinating, like the quantum Med beds.
• 1:17:30
  I'm sure you've heard about that.
• 1:17:32
  I'm impressed with how thorough you are and and how much you've
• 1:17:35
  had you have mapped out at this point.
• 1:17:37
  So let me ask you this, like when anticipating watching The
• 1:17:40
  Age of Deceit 4, what are you hoping that people take away
• 1:17:44
  from it? The way that you laid it out,
• 1:17:47
  the flow of the information, What are you hoping really
• 1:17:49
  resonates with the viewers? I hope that they are inspired to
• 1:17:58
  learn more. You know, I, I don't have all
• 1:18:01
  the answers. I just, I'm putting together the
• 1:18:03
  research and presenting it. And, and I'm not a prophet.
• 1:18:07
  I don't claim to be. I don't claim to know what's
• 1:18:09
  going to happen. But I, I would hope it inspires
• 1:18:12
  people to go to their Bibles to consider the things that I've
• 1:18:15
  shared, maybe even find problems with them.
• 1:18:18
  Of course, I'm not perfect. These are all sort of, you know,
• 1:18:21
  the, the, I don't know, the collection, the notes that I've
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  taken over the years and, and have just tried to share.
• 1:18:28
  But you know, I guess one of the, the, the, I wouldn't say
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  the most, but one of the things that I hope people get away from
• 1:18:35
  this is the, the reality or the, the urgency of this time that's
• 1:18:46
  approaching. Where again, I, you know, I just
• 1:18:50
  use that COVID analogy, but I, I feel that I need to bring it up
• 1:18:53
  again just because it's, it's palpable in the sense that
• 1:18:56
  you're gonna have to make some tough decisions.
• 1:18:59
  You know, I, it's, as I was saying, the National Institute
• 1:19:04
  of Health having that title of the paper editing the book of
• 1:19:07
  life. Well, I, I just went through
• 1:19:09
  this whole process of explaining how with Bitcoin and the
• 1:19:13
  blockchain, you now have immutable digital data.
• 1:19:17
  You have something that's digital that you cannot edit.
• 1:19:21
  And on the contrast, we have all the technologies to start
• 1:19:26
  editing our human biology or, or just all biology.
• 1:19:30
  And really, if you're talking about quantum computing and nano
• 1:19:32
  and all this, you're, you're starting to talk about literally
• 1:19:35
  creation itself. I mean, that's crazy to me.
• 1:19:39
  That should be alarming. That should be alarming for
• 1:19:41
  anybody who realizes how quickly this type of moment might come
• 1:19:46
  where literally, you know, you go digital and you're, you're
• 1:19:51
  immortal, but if you stay biological, you are, you're
• 1:19:55
  dwindling, you're fading. And it's, and again, it's just
• 1:19:59
  interesting to me because it's a, it's a very powerful faith
• 1:20:04
  test. It's like, hey, are you, do you
• 1:20:07
  have faith? You trust that the Lord told the
• 1:20:09
  truth about the end times. At the very least, you know, not
• 1:20:13
  all the details, we don't have to agree about the details, but
• 1:20:15
  this idea that we are promised eternal bodies that we are going
• 1:20:18
  to have these physical bodies that are are are powerful, that
• 1:20:22
  can that can be with God and that can be in his presence
• 1:20:27
  without burning up. And, you know, just having this
• 1:20:32
  this new body that's spiritual and incorruptible.
• 1:20:41
  Do you believe it? Because what the world is about
• 1:20:45
  to offer humanity is a counterfeit version of that with
• 1:20:52
  this whole digital immortality. Exactly so.
• 1:20:56
  This is why I I. Named the, the title of Age of
• 1:20:59
  Deceit 4, the Eschaton cipher and the counterfeit Ledger of
• 1:21:03
  life because it's, it's really, that's what the world is
• 1:21:06
  building. They're building the the literal
• 1:21:08
  counterfeit Ledger of life. Think about what the Ledger of
• 1:21:10
  life really is, you know, talks about it in the Bible, how it's
• 1:21:13
  the names of those people written that, that are saved and
• 1:21:18
  will be with God forever. And those are the people that
• 1:21:20
  will be given the new bodies and everything.
• 1:21:22
  There are people that don't make the list.
• 1:21:25
  And so, yeah, the the spirit that is driving that is of
• 1:21:30
  course, gonna try to make their own version of immortality.
• 1:21:34
  And that's where we're getting to with the science and
• 1:21:36
  technology, is this offer of digital immortality.
• 1:21:41
  And again, it'll become a very powerful faith test because from
• 1:21:44
  what I understand in Revelation 13, and it's not popular to talk
• 1:21:49
  about because I don't know, I guess people are more
• 1:21:52
  comfortable with the preacher rapture type of analysis on
• 1:21:55
  things. But you know, just being
• 1:21:58
  straight with what the word of God says in Revelation 13, the
• 1:22:01
  Saints will be conquered. That doesn't sound like a good
• 1:22:05
  time for the church. You know, let me just try to
• 1:22:08
  make sure I get the exact passage here so I can dial it in
• 1:22:14
  here. Verse seven of Revelation 13.
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  Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the Saints and
• 1:22:22
  to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe
• 1:22:26
  and people and tongue and nation.
• 1:22:28
  So this beast that wages, wages war on the Saints.
• 1:22:33
  Now, if this whole beast is this digital immortal, you know,
• 1:22:38
  biological computing animal thing that we have to interact
• 1:22:42
  with and think about who or what it would want to get rid of.
• 1:22:50
  It's the people who are like, hey, this thing's probably not a
• 1:22:53
  good thing. This, this whole thing, this
• 1:22:56
  digital thing, this living thing that we've created, it's
• 1:23:00
  probably not great, not great, not an awesome thing.
• 1:23:03
  Those are the people that are going to be largely a collection
• 1:23:07
  of probably the Saints, as mentioned here, believers that
• 1:23:10
  are like, Nah, I don't know about this.
• 1:23:12
  And so for them to be prophesied by the word of God, to be
• 1:23:16
  conquered by this beast. And so the authority is given to
• 1:23:20
  every tribe, nation, tongue. I mean that that again doesn't
• 1:23:23
  sound like a good time for believers.
• 1:23:25
  Verse 8 And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast,
• 1:23:29
  all whose names have not been written from the foundation of
• 1:23:32
  the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was
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  slain. So I it's a very clear line that
• 1:23:41
  is drawn in in this end times world.
• 1:23:43
  And the advancement in science, advancements in sciences and
• 1:23:47
  technology is showing us that line, like this obscure line
• 1:23:52
  that, hey, maybe people are saved.
• 1:23:53
  Maybe people are not like, I don't know, Calvinism once
• 1:23:57
  saved, always saved. Like all these debates that
• 1:23:59
  people have, we don't need to have that debate when these days
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  come because it'll be like, Oh yeah, you're, you're, you're,
• 1:24:07
  you chose your side kind of thing, you know, And it's, it's
• 1:24:09
  kind of a wild thought, but, and I hope I'm not making people
• 1:24:12
  angry 'cause sometimes I talk about these things and people
• 1:24:14
  get really upset. Perspectives Hermeneutical.
• 1:24:17
  Hygiene is important, right? Like the late doctor Chuck
• 1:24:20
  Messer would say. And, and we've heard a bit of
• 1:24:23
  all of it here. Now, one thing that I always
• 1:24:25
  say, I've been saying for years is I've never met one person or
• 1:24:28
  talked with one person that I've agreed with every single thing
• 1:24:31
  that they said. My goal is to highlight what
• 1:24:33
  people do correctly. Like I'm applauding people and
• 1:24:36
  highlighting that because I say if people wanted to write flaws
• 1:24:39
  on theology that I was holding five years ago, you can probably
• 1:24:42
  write a pretty decent sized book on that.
• 1:24:44
  So it's like crazy to understand.
• 1:24:47
  Right. So I don't you're not going to
• 1:24:48
  make anybody mad here just because we've had such different
• 1:24:52
  ends of the spectrum on that. You know, we have a pretty
• 1:24:55
  small, solid group of people that listen around the world.
• 1:24:59
  And I would say that I would applaud the audience for being
• 1:25:02
  Bereans and interacting with compassion and with just the
• 1:25:06
  understanding that that God's word has this final authority
• 1:25:09
  and that we are living in a very peculiar time slot.
• 1:25:12
  And So what you're saying resonates with me though, you
• 1:25:15
  know, I really do believe that this generation, we're going to
• 1:25:20
  see some highs and some lows that line up with the Scripture.
• 1:25:24
  Why do we guns, why do we have verses like pray that you may be
• 1:25:27
  found worthy to escape these things?
• 1:25:29
  It's almost like it's multi layered in the sense where
• 1:25:32
  there's pockets of of things that are going to happen to
• 1:25:35
  specific people with what is in accordance to what is written to
• 1:25:39
  bring the prophecy into fulfillment.
• 1:25:41
  I don't think it's like a one person is subjected to
• 1:25:44
  everything that's coming. That's my personal standard.
• 1:25:47
  Yeah. It's like, I think, you know,
• 1:25:48
  some people are going to be experiential to the Max in this
• 1:25:52
  area. There may be some overlay, but
• 1:25:55
  it kind of leads me into actually one of the questions I
• 1:25:57
  had for you is what what are your thoughts on the millennial
• 1:26:00
  reign of Christ? You know, we know what the word
• 1:26:02
  says about it. We Fast forward a little bit
• 1:26:04
  more in revelation to what you're alluding to in 13 there.
• 1:26:07
  You know, we this thousand year reign.
• 1:26:09
  I asked Ali Sietaton about this. We did.
• 1:26:12
  We did a whole episode, I don't know, like 1015 episodes ago.
• 1:26:15
  So this is like a topic where people were going, oh, well,
• 1:26:18
  churches have been talking about pre Trib rapture and like
• 1:26:21
  everything, I'm just gonna float away and I'm gonna escape all
• 1:26:25
  this stuff. And it's like the Bible means
• 1:26:28
  what it says and says what it means.
• 1:26:29
  But we're in such an interesting webbing and weaving of events
• 1:26:33
  right now of Christ. Like how do you kind of marry
• 1:26:35
  these two together? What standpoint do you take on
• 1:26:38
  that? Yeah, so.
• 1:26:40
  The millennial reign, the, the debate that I've often seen is
• 1:26:46
  surrounding when right, people are more, I guess over time.
• 1:26:50
  It was like, when is this gonna happen?
• 1:26:52
  Is it, you know, beginning. And there's different theologies
• 1:26:55
  depending on what you believe about the timing.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah. I, I, I tend to agree with the
• 1:27:01
  sentiment that it's more palpable now than ever.
• 1:27:06
  And all the things I was talking about earlier about the eternal
• 1:27:10
  bodies and all this stuff. I feel that for our particular
• 1:27:16
  group of believers, this will be a reality in the millennial
• 1:27:20
  reign, that that part of their, I guess, promise is to, you
• 1:27:25
  know, have the heavenly bodies or, or I guess immortal bodies
• 1:27:29
  in that time. So I, I don't think that, yeah,
• 1:27:33
  there, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak.
• 1:27:37
  And whether it's a literal thousand years or not, who
• 1:27:40
  knows? This is God's prerogative, a
• 1:27:45
  period of time that is coming upon us, that reflects or, or is
• 1:27:51
  literally a second coming of Christ where he is reigning from
• 1:27:56
  Jerusalem. That is a world that for me,
• 1:28:02
  it's like I, I can't even imagine how incredible it will
• 1:28:06
  be to have the bodies, first of all.
• 1:28:11
  And second of all to, you know, it's, it's almost like the
• 1:28:15
  heaven experience that people often think about.
• 1:28:17
  Like, oh, who would you talk to? If you can talk to anybody in
• 1:28:20
  the Bible or somebody in the history or something like that.
• 1:28:22
  I, I think those types of things play out in the real carnal
• 1:28:28
  place of a new Jerusalem that will literally physically be
• 1:28:32
  here on earth. Whatever shape you think it is,
• 1:28:34
  you know, it doesn't even matter because it'll be here.
• 1:28:37
  And you can see that you can measure the geography of it.
• 1:28:40
  There seems to be some interesting types of time travel
• 1:28:43
  stuff going on between the, the Revelation where the
• 1:28:47
  measurements of the city is, is being shown and in, I think it's
• 1:28:53
  Ezekiel where there's other passages.
• 1:28:54
  I could be wrong about that. Hold on.
• 1:28:56
  I I need to brush up on my millennial stuff.
• 1:28:58
  But yeah, there's some passages in the Old Testament where she's
• 1:29:03
  being shown with a Reed or a stick or something, the
• 1:29:07
  measurements. And Gary Stearman was the one
• 1:29:10
  that talked about how there could be some time travel going
• 1:29:12
  on or some kind of time variants where they're seeing the same
• 1:29:16
  thing, the same point in time. And maybe this was a little
• 1:29:20
  glimpse into that moment when New Jerusalem comes down
• 1:29:24
  because, OK, one of the cool things with that I've always
• 1:29:29
  talked about is this idea of heaven receding like a scroll.
• 1:29:37
  And people talked about or have talked about the timing of that
• 1:29:41
  Revelation 614, I believe it is. And there's some passages in
• 1:29:44
  Isaiah that echo it. Isaiah 34, All the stars of
• 1:29:49
  heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like
• 1:29:52
  a scroll. So the, the celestial event,
• 1:29:57
  I've always been, I've had this thought that whatever this whole
• 1:30:03
  beast system is that is described in the Book of
• 1:30:07
  Revelation and it sounds crazy and all this that we, we seem to
• 1:30:11
  be witnessing the appearance of or the, the building up of.
• 1:30:16
  It's been my opinion that it gets so bad, literally so, so
• 1:30:22
  bad. And there are passages about how
• 1:30:24
  Jesus said if he doesn't come back, all flesh would be
• 1:30:28
  destroyed. I mean, I think there is
• 1:30:32
  something really fundamentally corrupt.
• 1:30:37
  Well, there's the world is corrupt and fallen.
• 1:30:39
  But with this emergence of this technology, I think the world
• 1:30:43
  will do something so damaging to creation itself and biology and
• 1:30:47
  everything, 'cause think about what they're promising here.
• 1:30:49
  Think about what they're building.
• 1:30:50
  Think about what they're promising.
• 1:30:51
  They're promising eternal life. That is not a game for a few
• 1:30:56
  billionaires in a boardroom, OK? This is something that God has
• 1:31:01
  taken care of like thousands of years ago.
• 1:31:03
  He's made it a thing, eternal life.
• 1:31:05
  He's made it a thing already. He showed how to do it.
• 1:31:08
  He left room for each individual to make it their own decisions
• 1:31:11
  with faith. So it's already a thing.
• 1:31:14
  So for some billionaires and some people thinking that
• 1:31:17
  they're going to solve this and pull this thing off, I think the
• 1:31:21
  whole end times prophet, everyone fears the beast, all
• 1:31:23
  this. No, I think it's going to be a
• 1:31:25
  disaster. It it's gonna completely mess up
• 1:31:29
  creation. So when we talk about the
• 1:31:32
  heavens receding like a scroll and every mountain and island
• 1:31:35
  being removed from its place and all these things happening
• 1:31:38
  before the Millennium, which I'm, I'm making some assumptions
• 1:31:41
  there. And I know there could be some
• 1:31:42
  people that disagree with the timing of that.
• 1:31:44
  But in my studies, if that is the case, that this event of
• 1:31:50
  receding and all this, the, the day of the Lord is a part of
• 1:31:53
  this as well. When this happens, it will undo
• 1:31:57
  or at least sort of take care, clean up this problem with
• 1:32:03
  creation and biology and, and whatever mess is made and a new
• 1:32:07
  heaven and a new earth, or at least a new Jerusalem comes
• 1:32:10
  down. And at that point it is a
• 1:32:13
  restoration. The restoration that, you know,
• 1:32:17
  it's, it's sort of the return to Eden moment.
• 1:32:20
  It's not Eden, but it's that return to Eden in terms of a
• 1:32:24
  balance between God and man and our ability to walk with God
• 1:32:29
  literally, physically, not just in spirit and all these things.
• 1:32:33
  It's, it's, it's a physical reality that is in the future.
• 1:32:37
  And so that, that's something that I, I hope people think
• 1:32:40
  about because it's, it's almost like, you know, in the new age,
• 1:32:46
  they all often talk about the law of attraction.
• 1:32:49
  And it's like, oh, believe whatever that you're a a
• 1:32:53
  professional basketball player and and you will attract the
• 1:32:57
  things that will make you a professional basketball.
• 1:32:59
  I'm calling BS on all that, by the way.
• 1:33:01
  No thing, because I mean, how absurd is that?
• 1:33:05
  Think about that me, I'm 5 foot seven on a good day.
• 1:33:09
  I'm I'm, I got some meat on me. So I'm, you know, I'm about 180.
• 1:33:12
  I could imagine myself as an NBA player for the rest of my life
• 1:33:15
  and I will never step foot on an NBA court in a real game.
• 1:33:19
  And unless it's a gimmick, right?
• 1:33:21
  So that it's, it's a ridiculous type of thing.
• 1:33:24
  But we can, we have these scriptures and there are a lot
• 1:33:27
  more about the Millennium. I'm I'm sure you've dug through
• 1:33:29
  many of them. And often times it, what
• 1:33:33
  frustrates me is some of the passages I feel are misused or
• 1:33:39
  misappropriated for current geopolitical tensions concerning
• 1:33:46
  Zionists and stuff. And that's not to defend or to
• 1:33:49
  go against the whole situation with Israel right now.
• 1:33:51
  It's more so as a commentary on, I think some of the millennial
• 1:33:55
  passages have been misused to identify the current nation
• 1:34:00
  state and its status. That's all I'll say on that.
• 1:34:02
  But that's a whole, right. That's a whole topic, right?
• 1:34:05
  I mean, that's, that's really kicking the hornet's nest.
• 1:34:08
  But that's something that I felt is important to mention because
• 1:34:13
  it it robs a little bit of the essence of what the millennial
• 1:34:16
  Kingdom is really going to be like, You know, and I'm trying
• 1:34:20
  to find some passages here because I think it'd be great to
• 1:34:22
  go through some of them. Let's see.
• 1:34:24
  I know Isaiah 34 talks about it. Yeah.
• 1:34:27
  One of the passages is Isaiah Chapter 11.
• 1:34:31
  And if you start around verse six, that's the famous passage
• 1:34:33
  about the wolf will dwell with the lamb and, you know, all
• 1:34:37
  these animals are hanging out together.
• 1:34:39
  It's it's very peaceful. There's something fundamentally
• 1:34:42
  different at that point, right? That what, what nature now,
• 1:34:46
  whatever natural instinct is, is within these animals now that
• 1:34:50
  programming has shifted at this point.
• 1:34:51
  So exactly it's a it's a very different world.
• 1:34:54
  So that that's, you know, just it's so interesting how God uses
• 1:34:58
  just a basic illustration of animals and, and even the
• 1:35:03
  leopard will lie with the young goat, with the leopard, you
• 1:35:07
  know, being part of the end times beast system, you know,
• 1:35:11
  sort of lying down with the young goat, maybe just sort of
• 1:35:15
  letting its guard down. Like we don't need this.
• 1:35:17
  It's just from hiding and watching.
• 1:35:19
  And waiting till an hour, it's now like literally like, hey,
• 1:35:22
  let's hang out. Yeah, yeah, it's a whole
• 1:35:24
  different. So this, this sort of imagined
• 1:35:26
  world, it's not so imaginary. I think people can resonate with
• 1:35:30
  that. It's very encouraging and not in
• 1:35:33
  the New Age sense, but I think you can read these passages and
• 1:35:36
  get an idea of what this will look like, how it will feel
• 1:35:38
  like. You can go through all the
• 1:35:39
  senses. So, you know, these are these
• 1:35:41
  are powerful looks into the millennial Kingdom.
• 1:35:46
  And I, I think if you go back, even Isaiah 2, I think is the
• 1:35:50
  earlier chapters here that has some of this language.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah. So some of this is talking about
• 1:35:57
  God's reign from Jerusalem, from the mountaintop.
• 1:36:02
  And, and you know, what's also fascinating, and I think people
• 1:36:05
  need to think about in terms of where we are now when a lot of
• 1:36:11
  the language of God ruling in that millennial time period is,
• 1:36:17
  has geographical significance. And it's, you know, it tends to
• 1:36:22
  mention Jerusalem by name. So there's an actual physical
• 1:36:25
  location and that is Jerusalem. And you know, really, if you
• 1:36:27
  think about the conflict between the three monotheistic faiths,
• 1:36:31
  really, if you're really, really thinking about a true solution
• 1:36:34
  where the true Lord of all shows up, the King of Kings really
• 1:36:39
  shows up, it's gotta be Jerusalem, right?
• 1:36:41
  I mean, just logically, even if you're a secular person that
• 1:36:45
  doesn't believe in any of the religions, it's like, if there's
• 1:36:47
  gonna be resolution, it's gotta be like the real guy, right?
• 1:36:51
  That's why I think it's so powerful to think about how all
• 1:36:55
  these a lot of the passages in the Old Testament that describe
• 1:36:58
  the millennial Kingdom and and how it looks, it's going to be
• 1:37:03
  there's going to be a counterfeit attempt at this.
• 1:37:06
  And that's part of the Antichrist stuff that I find so
• 1:37:09
  fascinating that Chris White, who wrote the book False Christ,
• 1:37:15
  will the Antichrist present himself as the Jewish Messiah.
• 1:37:18
  It's a very fascinating study because it seems that the Bible,
• 1:37:21
  especially in the New Testament, and if you really do a, a good
• 1:37:24
  study on it, it seems to indicate that the Antichrist
• 1:37:28
  figure, this man of sin individual will present himself
• 1:37:32
  as the long-awaited Jewish Messiah.
• 1:37:34
  And that he will fulfill all of what the Jewish, the current,
• 1:37:38
  you know, Jewish community that stems out of, you know, the
• 1:37:41
  rabbinical teachings of the Talmud and things that are
• 1:37:44
  little bit more of an offshoot from the, the Bible itself.
• 1:37:49
  But you know, the, the, they're sort of mystical in nature if
• 1:37:52
  you go down a certain rabbit trail.
• 1:37:53
  So it's it's not fully rooted in the word how we have it now,
• 1:37:59
  although it does, you know, stem from it, obviously.
• 1:38:01
  So interestingly enough. Yeah.
• 1:38:02
  So if there is an individual that shows up and the the world
• 1:38:06
  and especially the Jewish community starts saying that
• 1:38:08
  this guy is fulfilling these prophecies and they, you know,
• 1:38:12
  they more or less do it. He defeats the enemies of Israel
• 1:38:16
  and becomes the single ruler and, and sort of, I don't know,
• 1:38:20
  declared king because he brought peace to the Middle East and all
• 1:38:23
  this kind of stuff. These are all, you know, more
• 1:38:26
  popular thoughts about what the Antichrist might look like, but
• 1:38:30
  it does shed light on what the real thing will look like.
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  You know, so it's, it's, it's so important to think about what
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  the real thing will look like because then we'll know when the
• 1:38:41
  counterfeit's here, right? We can't know the counterfeit if
• 1:38:44
  we're not aware that there's a real thing.
• 1:38:47
  You'll easily be deceived. So that that's why I think it's
• 1:38:51
  important to at least know this stuff.
• 1:38:52
  You don't have to be fervent on, you know, the different views or
• 1:38:55
  the timing of the rapture, all this type of stuff.
• 1:38:58
  It makes for good debate. I love these in house debates.
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  I think it makes us all better and stronger at studying our
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  Bibles and crafting good arguments and and everything
• 1:39:09
  else. But when it comes to some of the
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  the more cosmic level stuff going on, and I think you're
• 1:39:15
  right when you mentioned earlier that different people will
• 1:39:18
  experience, you know, different parts of this.
• 1:39:21
  And I've often believed that a lot of biblical prophecy is a,
• 1:39:30
  it's, it's an archetypal thing where it happens over and over
• 1:39:34
  again in various contexts. And it's, it's almost like a
• 1:39:37
  human nature. It's like these are natural
• 1:39:39
  things that occur in, in human society.
• 1:39:44
  And when you have leaders that are like this or they, you know,
• 1:39:46
  make decisions with this or, you know, the Bible's chock full of
• 1:39:49
  stuff like that. And I think it applies to
• 1:39:51
  eschatology as well, where when you have a certain type of thing
• 1:39:55
  happen, it, it means the end usually like that thing won't
• 1:39:59
  last, it'll fall apart. And that's, that's sort of the
• 1:40:02
  message. So if, even if it's not that,
• 1:40:04
  even if what we see with Bitcoin and blockchain and biological
• 1:40:07
  quantum blah, blah, blah, all this stuff, even if it's not the
• 1:40:10
  end as prophesied here as the words described as God
• 1:40:13
  described, it might be that God's word is like that where
• 1:40:18
  it's like every generation gets to have a pretty solid
• 1:40:21
  applicable relatable. Digestion of the truth, you
• 1:40:26
  know, or we can just understand it and.
• 1:40:28
  And that's precisely right, because.
• 1:40:30
  When you look at poetry in Hebrew, yeah, ancient.
• 1:40:34
  Poetry. Would have been these
• 1:40:36
  reoccurring themes that are being spoken about, right?
• 1:40:39
  So when we look at prophecy, it's almost like the ages, this
• 1:40:43
  this circumpunct idea where it's a repertoire of things that that
• 1:40:47
  kind of come around and around and around again.
• 1:40:50
  And what you just said a second ago.
• 1:40:52
  So triggered me to jump in here and each generation we, we have
• 1:40:56
  this opportunity to seek out the truth, stand up for
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  righteousness, expose the darkness.
• 1:41:02
  And even if you go back 100 years ago, the set of problems
• 1:41:06
  that they had, people were saying, oh, it's the end of the
• 1:41:07
  world. This is what's going to happen.
• 1:41:09
  And it's like, well, when we zoom out, we can see that
• 1:41:12
  there's momentum building with the, the complexities that
• 1:41:15
  technology has introduced that clearly show us that God is
• 1:41:20
  bringing the, the fulfillment to the age of the Gentiles,
• 1:41:24
  bringing a fulfillment even of the iniquity of those who
• 1:41:27
  wouldn't accept him. And, and I believe it happens
• 1:41:31
  through Aegis man. And it really is take some
• 1:41:34
  pressure off of like for me personally, like it removes some
• 1:41:37
  pressure of like trying to, I guess you could say, make sense
• 1:41:40
  of all of it. Like some of it is just has to
• 1:41:42
  be mystery. But but there's so much more
• 1:41:45
  we're called to and that's why this pursuit is, is lifestyle at
• 1:41:50
  this point. But just very fascinating.
• 1:41:52
  Everything you had to say there. Yeah.
• 1:41:54
  Yeah, I I agree with you. That that's, it's almost like
• 1:41:58
  it's you often hear this thing about once you see a certain
• 1:42:03
  thing about the world, it's it's hard to Unsee it.
• 1:42:06
  And especially like symbolism in movies for, for example, it
• 1:42:10
  definitely happened to me where once I was like, Oh, I, I see
• 1:42:13
  what's going on here. My brain just analyzes it
• 1:42:15
  differently. And I can't sit in the movie
• 1:42:17
  theater without taking notes about stuff that I'd noticed.
• 1:42:20
  So it's, it's a problem. But, but it, you know, it's, it
• 1:42:25
  is good. It's ultimately a good thing
• 1:42:28
  that the Bible has this stuff and, and that we can understand
• 1:42:32
  the world we're living in through the scriptures that
• 1:42:35
  haven't changed, you know, they haven't changed.
• 1:42:37
  But for some reason, when I read it in 2024, it's like, Oh my
• 1:42:40
  gosh, this is a, I'm very comforted by the fact that the
• 1:42:43
  word of God and, and the Lord understands these things way
• 1:42:46
  more than I do because, you know, otherwise it's like, man,
• 1:42:49
  we're just flying by the, the seat of our pants and we're
• 1:42:52
  gonna go do this thing and try to achieve immortality.
• 1:42:54
  And who knows what's gonna happen?
• 1:42:56
  Blow up the whole world, but who cares?
• 1:42:58
  Like, hey, we're gonna do like it's this crazy sort of wild
• 1:43:03
  thing that I there's no grounding, you know, so I'm glad
• 1:43:07
  that God is like, it's OK, it's gonna be fine.
• 1:43:10
  Like it's gonna get crazy. Like, look, I've these words are
• 1:43:13
  resonating, resonated in the year 0 is resonating with 824.
• 1:43:19
  Listen, I know what I'm talking about, you know, so just calm
• 1:43:21
  down, relax, just enjoy it And and, you know, warn people and,
• 1:43:26
  and tell people about the truth and everything.
• 1:43:27
  But so I think it's great that, that, that it is addressed
• 1:43:31
  because otherwise it's like, man, where do we where do we
• 1:43:33
  even turn as a church? Like, how do we even digest all
• 1:43:36
  this craziness going on? But that that's to me, you know,
• 1:43:39
  I, I, I think it's this generation's apologetic.
• 1:43:44
  I the last couple decades we saw apologetics really thrive under
• 1:43:50
  some very heavy hitters in the academic world.
• 1:43:53
  You're William Lane Craig's Greg Kochol.
• 1:43:57
  I'm always forgetting. There's so many people, Gary
• 1:44:00
  Habermas, there's so many people, many Christians.
• 1:44:03
  They're countless. They've written books defending
• 1:44:05
  the faith. And there was a period of time
• 1:44:08
  in the late 90s where the four horsemen of atheism got really
• 1:44:11
  popular, like early 2000, nineties.
• 1:44:14
  And their whole thing was there's no God and and all this
• 1:44:17
  type of stuff. And they were so thoroughly
• 1:44:20
  demolished by these, this wave of Christian theologians and
• 1:44:24
  philosophers that just just took, just took apart their
• 1:44:27
  argument. It was quite remarkable.
• 1:44:29
  It was pretty awesome to see. And I, I was baptized and saved
• 1:44:32
  towards kind of the tail end of that whole phase where, you
• 1:44:36
  know, I, I really got into William Lane Craig's stuff
• 1:44:37
  because it was like, wow, this is like pretty airtight
• 1:44:39
  argumentation on the existence of God and tearing down those
• 1:44:44
  arguments coming from the atheistic point of view.
• 1:44:48
  And now we're going into this period of time that Basil and I
• 1:44:51
  have talked about for a long time.
• 1:44:52
  It's called the re enchant or this is actually terminology
• 1:44:55
  from Karl Tykrib, who's an author and and and speaker
• 1:44:58
  Christian that has been looking at culture building and sort of
• 1:45:02
  the the center of culture and dispersion of culture, which is
• 1:45:05
  Burning Man. And so we've done an art.
• 1:45:08
  I know that's a weird thing for Christians to be talking about
• 1:45:10
  Burning Man. Nevertheless, going to Burning
• 1:45:12
  Man and doing research. And that's what Basil did.
• 1:45:15
  And I, I haven't gone there, but I've been part of the whole
• 1:45:17
  process with editing the episodes and stuff.
• 1:45:20
  But there's this new generation of young people coming into the
• 1:45:25
  world and, and they're not being presented with the atheistic
• 1:45:27
  thing. They're they're being presented
• 1:45:29
  with a much more enchanted type of world, whether it be related
• 1:45:34
  to ancient mythologies or brand new ones that AI creates or
• 1:45:41
  something, you know, just just these new mythologies, they're
• 1:45:44
  being re enchanted into this world where anything we imagined
• 1:45:48
  we can do, which is a Tower of Babel thing.
• 1:45:50
  You look back at Genesis 11, one of the things God said was that,
• 1:45:55
  you know, if, if they, if they keep one language and they,
• 1:45:59
  anything they imagined to do will not be impossible, meaning
• 1:46:03
  that they can do. And it sounds like a good thing,
• 1:46:06
  like, hey, why, why is it a bad thing?
• 1:46:07
  God like they, they unify and they, they come together and
• 1:46:10
  they're able to accomplish stuff.
• 1:46:11
  Why is that bad? But in the context of humanity
• 1:46:14
  and the way we are with our fallen state, it's bad.
• 1:46:17
  It's bad thing for that to happen.
• 1:46:19
  So we now live in a world where many people or anybody can use
• 1:46:24
  this technology, and they're going to be told they can do
• 1:46:28
  whatever they imagine to do with this technology, whether it be,
• 1:46:32
  you know, enhance themselves genetically or create realms
• 1:46:36
  that they can become superheroes in or something.
• 1:46:39
  It doesn't even matter. It's just this whole idea.
• 1:46:41
  So the apologetic of defending the faith, we have to keep up
• 1:46:47
  with that, right? We have to keep up with that
• 1:46:48
  cultural shift that's happening with the world.
• 1:46:51
  And so this type of eschatology, I think, and, and just the
• 1:46:55
  overall perspective that Doctor Michael Heizer's presented, the
• 1:46:59
  Beneja Elohim, the, the watchers, the divine council,
• 1:47:03
  the Nephilim, that that whole topic of inquiry and related to,
• 1:47:08
  you know, just crazy stuff I talk about like block chains and
• 1:47:11
  beasts and, you know, all that nonsense.
• 1:47:14
  Use it as an apologetic or proof of God's existence in a world of
• 1:47:19
  people that are not necessarily looking for that.
• 1:47:22
  You know, in the book of Acts, I think Paul goes out of his way
• 1:47:25
  and Paul's known to go out of his way to, you know, relate to
• 1:47:28
  the people of whatever town he's in to share the gospel and sort
• 1:47:33
  of creating the gospel presentation in the context of
• 1:47:36
  that culture. And if we're to do that, then
• 1:47:38
  then I think we're in good, good company because we're that's
• 1:47:41
  kind of what this is. It's this is this is trying to
• 1:47:44
  understand the word of God and showing that hey, there seems to
• 1:47:48
  be some a lot there. There's a lot of stuff that the
• 1:47:51
  word of God has said about these particular weird issues that you
• 1:47:55
  wouldn't think is brought up in the Bible.
• 1:47:59
  Well, it's like even reminds. Me of Lee Strobel's A Case for
• 1:48:02
  Christ. If you look at that entire book,
• 1:48:04
  the whole documentation of his process, the skepticism, all the
• 1:48:08
  way to the this personal journey of investigating.
• 1:48:12
  And I think in a nutshell for for people who know what I'm
• 1:48:14
  talking about, which I highly recommend at least reading that
• 1:48:17
  book. It's it's well worth it was well
• 1:48:19
  worth my time. I recommended to new believers,
• 1:48:21
  people that are getting baptized.
• 1:48:23
  They have questions, especially the academic people.
• 1:48:25
  I'm normally just asking weird questions and I don't really
• 1:48:28
  know. So I'll be like, let let's refer
• 1:48:30
  this to you, but you're spot on guns.
• 1:48:34
  That is like this new apologetic where even challenging the
• 1:48:37
  narrative and saying, listen, let's go through the Bible.
• 1:48:40
  You start out as a skeptic. That's fine.
• 1:48:42
  Doctor Michael Heizer used to say, I'll destroy your entire
• 1:48:45
  theological argument and hand you a better one and like.
• 1:48:50
  Not even be sad that I. Did it.
• 1:48:52
  And it's like, well, that's kind of what our we're doing that as
• 1:48:55
  a joint effort. Like many of us are really
• 1:48:58
  taking the stand to be like, hey, listen, I'm not nuts.
• 1:49:01
  I'm a fully functioning citizen. I'm actually contributing,
• 1:49:04
  right? Like still procreating, still
• 1:49:07
  believe in the basic fundamentals, still attending
• 1:49:10
  the bodily meetings, still people are still being baptized.
• 1:49:14
  We're still functioning as a body.
• 1:49:16
  But we're not afraid to go into these deep, very challenging
• 1:49:20
  areas with personal and antidotical stories to back up
• 1:49:24
  the fact that, hey, I'm standing on this rock crying out to you.
• 1:49:27
  It's it's like what you just said the apostle Paul did he
• 1:49:30
  literally, you know, was he was becoming like unto those who we
• 1:49:34
  preach to in order that he may win some and then we're
• 1:49:37
  transparent boasting in our weakness that the power of God
• 1:49:40
  may rest upon us because you've said it, I say it all the time.
• 1:49:44
  I'm a broken vessel. God's using me.
• 1:49:46
  Obedience. Obedience is better than
• 1:49:49
  sacrifice. He's calling a generation to
• 1:49:51
  literally have apologetics, but beyond that to be the ekklesia
• 1:49:56
  to be a governing body like. So when we identify these things
• 1:49:59
  that are wrong, we come boldly to the throne room in time of
• 1:50:02
  need and we make a petition against it, just like Ephesians
• 1:50:05
  says, have nothing to do with the fruitless seeds of darkness,
• 1:50:08
  but rather expose it. And I, I know a lot of people
• 1:50:10
  out there as they're learning and, and we need more people to
• 1:50:13
  understand even just the beginning narrative of, of some
• 1:50:17
  of these strange things going on in the Bible and what people
• 1:50:20
  have wrestled with personally in order that there's prayer and
• 1:50:24
  munition when that stuff comes against you.
• 1:50:26
  Or as the layers get peeled back, if I can say it that way,
• 1:50:30
  and people start to really see, oh, that's what's going on.
• 1:50:33
  Especially like right now with the vaccine talk.
• 1:50:36
  All of it is the reversal of what people were literally
• 1:50:38
  saying, Oh, kill the non vaccinated tormenting.
• 1:50:41
  Like, I mean, I experienced a lot of weird situations with
• 1:50:44
  that whole, you know, I chose not to do it.
• 1:50:46
  Me and my house. Nope, not doing it.
• 1:50:48
  No Fear tactic, no mask. And there's a lot of
• 1:50:51
  repercussions that came through for that.
• 1:50:53
  And it's like, I didn't forget. The one thing I got going for me
• 1:50:56
  is I can remember things that I want to remember, but now people
• 1:50:59
  are getting the opposite information delivered to them
• 1:51:02
  and being spoon fed into their mouth.
• 1:51:03
  And they're like, oh, well, it doesn't matter.
• 1:51:04
  And I'm like, no, you can't actually do that.
• 1:51:07
  That's insanity. Your head's in a hole.
• 1:51:10
  So but with compassion, we we move forward guns with
• 1:51:14
  conviction, we move forward with literally the high calling to
• 1:51:18
  run the race. There's one spirit, one truth,
• 1:51:20
  one baptism, a diversity of gifts, diversity of different
• 1:51:24
  gifts. And I'm sharpened and edified by
• 1:51:28
  this conversation with you. Now I, I want to ask this is an
• 1:51:31
  important question, Gonz, just because I've stood on your
• 1:51:35
  shoulders in many ways with stuff that you have laid down.
• 1:51:38
  And there's a younger generation coming up in certain ways,
• 1:51:42
  right? We, we're planting and watering
• 1:51:44
  seeds. But what is your encouragement
• 1:51:47
  for the, the millennial generation and, and the younger
• 1:51:50
  generation with all of this information, all the access that
• 1:51:54
  we have to getting, I guess you could say, a healthier view on
• 1:52:01
  the truth and then exposing the darkness.
• 1:52:03
  What is your advice on how to just enter into that place of
• 1:52:07
  comfort, trust God through the process?
• 1:52:09
  What what do you do personally and, and give us some
• 1:52:12
  encouragement here as we kind of wind down a little, OK, I think.
• 1:52:16
  The most important thing is to connect with those who share
• 1:52:23
  some of these curiosities and build that community.
• 1:52:28
  It's, it is a family. We are going to the same place
• 1:52:32
  eventually. I think there's a deeper
• 1:52:34
  understanding that people may have looked into this stuff
• 1:52:37
  where it's like, OK, we, we may be geographically separated, but
• 1:52:42
  we have a very deep understanding about where things
• 1:52:46
  might be headed and where we are ultimately headed.
• 1:52:49
  So I think it's important for the younger generation to
• 1:52:52
  connect, build community and have those communities here.
• 1:52:56
  Here's the thing, the I didn't go deep into the topic of the
• 1:52:59
  network state, but it's something that this guy named
• 1:53:02
  Bellagi came up with. He wrote a whole book on it.
• 1:53:04
  It's called Network state. The idea is that as time goes
• 1:53:08
  on, social media platforms or different ideologies even, they
• 1:53:13
  will become, it's their own nations that are represented in
• 1:53:17
  the stage of nations, but they won't be tied geographically.
• 1:53:20
  It won't be geographical things that make this particular nation
• 1:53:26
  a nation. It will be for example,
• 1:53:28
  Facebook, let's say anybody who's on Facebook, you're part
• 1:53:31
  of Facebook nation, you are part of the network state instead of
• 1:53:35
  a nation state. So this whole idea was presented
• 1:53:39
  by Balaji who was a, he became a billionaire from selling like
• 1:53:43
  some kind of biotech company. So he doesn't address that side
• 1:53:47
  of things, but I bring it up because we will live more and
• 1:53:53
  more in a connected world, quote UN quote.
• 1:53:57
  I know people are afraid of a cyber pandemic or some kind of
• 1:54:01
  outage, but I think that will happen at some point.
• 1:54:04
  But you know, that means they take down their whole
• 1:54:07
  surveillance infrastructure. So I don't know that they want
• 1:54:09
  to necessarily do it, but using this technology, connect with
• 1:54:14
  the people, especially locally, obviously, but around the world,
• 1:54:20
  I think would, and, and look, this is something that is ideal.
• 1:54:24
  I don't know if this is gonna happen, but if you're out there,
• 1:54:26
  you're young and you're into this stuff, connect with other
• 1:54:28
  people that are into it, talk about it, you know, make
• 1:54:32
  friendships Canary Cry. We've seen people meet and get
• 1:54:35
  married and, and the whole thing.
• 1:54:37
  So we've, we've seen this happen.
• 1:54:38
  This is a communal thing. So that's what I would
• 1:54:42
  recommend. Connect with people from all
• 1:54:44
  over the world who share in at the very least, the curiosity
• 1:54:48
  and, and be a part of that community And, and what I feel
• 1:54:51
  responsible to do, especially moving forward after age of
• 1:54:54
  deceit four more and more, it's on my heart to foster that
• 1:55:00
  community experience and make sure that there can be a
• 1:55:05
  generation of people that can exist on the Internet.
• 1:55:08
  And, and it's sort of a cool thing too if we are all here,
• 1:55:11
  especially like web three, if we're all on web three and we've
• 1:55:15
  got our PF PS, which means profile pic.
• 1:55:19
  And a lot of times if it's an NFT, which you guys have
• 1:55:22
  probably heard about, then you can use that as your, your
• 1:55:26
  handle your, your image on social media and you can, you
• 1:55:29
  can act as a unit almost as a hive mind.
• 1:55:32
  And of course there's a beast hive mind, but there's also, you
• 1:55:35
  know, being of one mind in Christ, as it says in
• 1:55:38
  Philippians. So, and actually the one mind in
• 1:55:41
  Christ is mentioned a lot more than the the beast hive mind.
• 1:55:44
  So just keep that in mind. But that that that connection
• 1:55:53
  and having that experience of Web 3 for the young people and
• 1:55:58
  knowing that one day there'll there's a line that we all agree
• 1:56:02
  on that, which is sort of this biological, at least for me
• 1:56:04
  anyway. It's this biological line of
• 1:56:06
  like, if they want to really get into my DNA and whatever biology
• 1:56:10
  that's no for me, I'm going to recommend highly no for family
• 1:56:14
  and everything else. And, and at that point there, we
• 1:56:19
  will know and we will know what to do in getting off of it.
• 1:56:23
  Get out of Babylon. You know, just letting go of
• 1:56:25
  that whole web three thing and just the Internet and all that
• 1:56:29
  stuff and going back to the fundamentals of your community
• 1:56:34
  locally, physically. And that's why I think, you
• 1:56:37
  know, it's connect with people all over, all over the world so
• 1:56:40
  that you may have a place to go or people to connect with if and
• 1:56:43
  when something happens. And just leverage the time we
• 1:56:47
  have now because I feel that that day is coming at some
• 1:56:50
  point, maybe not in my lifetime, but I don't know.
• 1:56:53
  It sure seems like something like that's going to happen in
• 1:56:55
  our lifetimes. Very well, good and very.
• 1:56:58
  Good advice. I I think that's what me and you
• 1:57:01
  both express quite openly is, is the loneliness starting out in
• 1:57:07
  these journeys. And, you know, the advice is
• 1:57:10
  good to find people to do life with.
• 1:57:13
  Yeah. You know.
• 1:57:14
  And you know. Talk about these things and and
• 1:57:17
  don't be ashamed of experiences. You know another thing is people
• 1:57:21
  do come on and share stuff that has happened to them.
• 1:57:24
  Supernatural encounters, events. God, I just have, I've had a
• 1:57:29
  weird life, man. I've never been abducted by
• 1:57:32
  aliens or nothing like that. But I mean, I've just seen stuff
• 1:57:36
  and grew up in an old famous Philadelphia farmhouse where it
• 1:57:39
  was like just creepy and there was like ghost encounters there
• 1:57:42
  and just strange things like happened throughout the whole
• 1:57:44
  course of my life. And I'll I just felt like it
• 1:57:48
  couldn't be talked about, just wasn't the narrative that and
• 1:57:52
  nobody would care. I had a near death encounter.
• 1:57:54
  I got jumped by a bunch of guys. I've had all this stuff happen
• 1:57:57
  to me and it wasn't until podcasting and then finding
• 1:58:01
  people to do life with, people that are like, listen, spill it
• 1:58:05
  to me. You know, I'll pray with you
• 1:58:06
  through this. I'll hear you out.
• 1:58:08
  A lot of it happens behind the scenes, like not on air.
• 1:58:10
  But your advice is so valid because if there's one other
• 1:58:14
  person out there that feels like I used to feel that that's
• 1:58:18
  enough of a reason to be doing this to, to unlock that and to
• 1:58:22
  cultivate a place where it's safe to be you and talk about
• 1:58:26
  what you went through. So your advice is, is, is my
• 1:58:30
  advice as well to the listeners, you guys, you know, Canary Cry
• 1:58:34
  meetups, literally, you know, I, I'm actually very interested in
• 1:58:37
  trying to host one of those in the future or be a part of one
• 1:58:41
  if there's one around the Philadelphia area.
• 1:58:43
  Like I think that that's very important just because you can't
• 1:58:47
  go on doing life alone. I love the story about how you
• 1:58:50
  and Basil met back-to-back in this big minor mega church
• 1:58:55
  scenario. And then, like you guys, one
• 1:58:58
  Bible conversation quickly accelerates into the foundation
• 1:59:02
  of, you know, look how many years of just, I know it's crazy
• 1:59:04
  friendship. And bonding.
• 1:59:06
  And and teamwork together that God has went on to tug you to
• 1:59:10
  change the hearts and the minds and and affect people deeply.
• 1:59:14
  And then the ripple effect continues to go out.
• 1:59:18
  Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful.
• 1:59:20
  Thank you. I appreciate that.
• 1:59:22
  And I I think I called you Joe earlier.
• 1:59:24
  Sorry, Rod. Yeah, that's fine.
• 1:59:27
  I. Don't know what I was doing I.
• 1:59:29
  Was like I bring it's also Joe is my my government.
• 1:59:31
  Name I go by Rod in the fringe community and I'm just kidding
• 1:59:35
  I. Saw when I was live I was like,
• 1:59:37
  this is something Anyway, totally.
• 1:59:40
  All good, yeah. Yeah, it's.
• 1:59:43
  It's, I think the community aspect is, is so huge.
• 1:59:46
  It's been the part that's been the most, in my opinion, in, in
• 1:59:50
  my experience through all this, the most evidence for me that
• 1:59:55
  God is behind this and not me or Basil is this community thing
• 1:59:59
  that's fostered and became a it's, it's just sort of like I,
• 2:00:02
  there's no control. I, I can't, I can't control
• 2:00:04
  people. Like, I don't know what you
• 2:00:06
  know, it's and you come to that realization and it's that's why,
• 2:00:09
  you know, you get into stuff like this and and you produce
• 2:00:12
  content and, and you never know what's what's on the other side
• 2:00:15
  of that, how people are going to receive it.
• 2:00:17
  But just putting yourself out there, it's sort of, it's in
• 2:00:20
  hindsight, it's almost kind of reckless.
• 2:00:22
  It's like, oh gosh, you're, you're sort of putting yourself
• 2:00:24
  out there with some of these crazy ideas.
• 2:00:26
  But it's, it was sort of the blessing that was hidden.
• 2:00:29
  I think at the time. Earlier I was like, I don't care
• 2:00:31
  what people think. But now I'm like, I'm glad I, I
• 2:00:33
  did that because one of the things that was crazy to me is
• 2:00:38
  that when age of Deceit was published, I, I really was
• 2:00:43
  pretty, I mean, I wasn't lonely in the sense that, you know, I
• 2:00:45
  had my wife and I had a, a stepdaughter and, and life was,
• 2:00:48
  there were, there were a lot of fulfilling parts of life.
• 2:00:51
  But when it comes to the faith journey, it was kind of like I,
• 2:00:53
  I, there's something, there's something missing, there's
• 2:00:56
  something else going on that I, I, I needed.
• 2:00:58
  And it was validation for me that I am not crazy.
• 2:01:03
  You know, it was part of and, and maybe there was something in
• 2:01:05
  me that was like, I know that I'm not alone.
• 2:01:08
  Like I know for a fact that I'm not alone in this sort of crazy
• 2:01:13
  mindset. So I'm going to put this out
• 2:01:15
  there and we'll see. And, and for the Lord to use it
• 2:01:20
  and have, you know, millions of people view it and countless
• 2:01:23
  other millions that have probably shared it and whatever,
• 2:01:26
  I mean, it's way beyond my comprehension.
• 2:01:28
  And so that's why I'm like, yeah, this is, this is God's
• 2:01:30
  doing. This is a lot less to do with
• 2:01:32
  me, but it's also like, OK, we're, we're stewards now and we
• 2:01:37
  have to be responsible with what we're doing and how to, you
• 2:01:40
  know, push forward and lead this and, and move it forward.
• 2:01:43
  And, and it's, it's tough, man. It's a tough look.
• 2:01:45
  Podcasting is not fun. A lot of times.
• 2:01:47
  There's a lot, there's a lot of a lot of pain, a lot, a lot of
• 2:01:52
  bad moments, a lot of technology not working the way it's
• 2:01:54
  supposed to. I mean, there's, there's tons of
• 2:01:57
  just hours of prayer. Frustration, research, editing,
• 2:02:01
  just emailing, scheduling. Yeah.
• 2:02:03
  And it's like it's, it's consuming.
• 2:02:05
  So it, it, it's, it's not for the faint of heart.
• 2:02:09
  So if you are thinking about starting a podcast to just just
• 2:02:13
  know that it's it's blood, sweat and tears for real.
• 2:02:16
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 2:02:19
  But anyway, I am, I am very thankful, thank you for bringing
• 2:02:21
  me on and having an opportunity to speak to you and, and meet
• 2:02:26
  you, get to know you and, and being able to present some stuff
• 2:02:29
  to your audience and hopefully they'll check out the film.
• 2:02:32
  I doubt it's out yet just 'cause I know how we operate over here
• 2:02:39
  in the community. We had the focus group open a
• 2:02:42
  couple weeks. No, last week was when it
• 2:02:45
  opened. And the focus group is basically
• 2:02:48
  this is another a community thing that's way outside my
• 2:02:50
  comfort zone. We're basically showing parts of
• 2:02:55
  the film in sequence to a group of producers.
• 2:02:59
  And we call all of our supporters producers because
• 2:03:02
  they literally we say they are producers of the podcast and we,
• 2:03:07
  you know, give them credit on every episode that we publish.
• 2:03:10
  And so we, through the specific focus group thing, we have
• 2:03:16
  allowed them to view the film and give feedback so that I can
• 2:03:20
  touch up the film before I release it publicly.
• 2:03:23
  And so we just released I think the first three parts a couple
• 2:03:27
  days ago. So now if you get in there, you
• 2:03:29
  might have a couple more parts in there, but I think it'll be
• 2:03:32
  another 2-3 weeks until the actual film comes out for
• 2:03:36
  everybody else. So, but if you're interested, go
• 2:03:38
  to Canary Cry dot Tube. And that's Canary Cry dot Tube.
• 2:03:42
  I know we have like millions of links.
• 2:03:44
  That's one thing. I don't know how you're dealing
• 2:03:46
  with it over there, Rod, but the the tree of Lynx we have is
• 2:03:50
  just. It's ridiculous.
• 2:03:52
  It's it's not. I mean, it's funny because I
• 2:03:55
  used to chuckle at Russ Dizdar's website.
• 2:03:59
  Do you know Russ Dizdar? Yeah.
• 2:04:01
  I never got to speak with him. But I'm very familiar with him.
• 2:04:04
  He talked a lot about satanic ritual.
• 2:04:05
  Abuse and he worked with police officers and uncovered all kinds
• 2:04:08
  of crazy stuff in the I think it was the 90s and early 2000s.
• 2:04:11
  But he, he's passed away, he's home with the Lord.
• 2:04:16
  But he had talked a lot about, oh, shoot, what was, what was he
• 2:04:23
  talking about? All the links.
• 2:04:24
  And oh, the website, yes, thank you.
• 2:04:26
  Yes, his website was a mess. It was just millions and
• 2:04:28
  millions of links. And at the time I was like, man,
• 2:04:31
  we gotta keep it clean, Gotta keep minimal links.
• 2:04:33
  And now we're like, there's a link for this, There's a link
• 2:04:35
  for this. And we have millions of links.
• 2:04:37
  And actually you can go to Canary Cry dot Party.
• 2:04:41
  It's a party Canary Cry dot Party and you can see all the
• 2:04:44
  links. So there you go.
• 2:04:45
  That's saying all that hub. Yeah, it's the main hub.
• 2:04:49
  It's the tree, the Canary cry. Hive mind link Central zone Yes
• 2:04:55
  yes and. Actually, I just tried it and it
• 2:04:57
  did not go there. So I'm I'm troubled.
• 2:04:59
  I'm troubled. That's something.
• 2:05:02
  On the back end. Has stopped working, which is
• 2:05:04
  again, this is, it's been, it's funny because publicly we have
• 2:05:07
  been, Basil and I have just been complete klutzes on the computer
• 2:05:12
  machine, which is, you know, sort of part of our stick now or
• 2:05:14
  something. But as time goes on and we go
• 2:05:17
  into quantum computers, you know, I'll just have to think my
• 2:05:23
  whatever e-mail and it'll go out there.
• 2:05:25
  But I don't know, I think we'll be offline before all that
• 2:05:27
  happens. Hopefully.
• 2:05:29
  Yeah, hopefully. We'll be we'll be offline before
• 2:05:31
  that happens. Chopping logs, yeah.
• 2:05:34
  Back. Hey, you know, there is
• 2:05:36
  something about just having an axe or rope in your hands that
• 2:05:42
  makes you realize that a keyboard just can't do it, you
• 2:05:45
  know? Yeah.
• 2:05:45
  Yeah, I know. I.
• 2:05:47
  I have samurai blood, literal samurai blood.
• 2:05:50
  I I understand the cathartic nature of holding a stick and
• 2:05:56
  whacking a rock or, you know, something like that.
• 2:05:58
  Just just getting out in nature. And, you know, people say touch
• 2:06:01
  grass. Yeah, touch grass, hit rocks,
• 2:06:03
  like just go outside. Well, and that, that's what's
• 2:06:06
  funny, is like. They're doing this whole thing
• 2:06:08
  where there's huge flying killer spiders hitting the East Coast.
• 2:06:14
  I know we did. Yeah, we did.
• 2:06:15
  That story yesterday, yeah. These humans, OK yeah, yeah.
• 2:06:18
  And I'm just like. OK, so every single year there
• 2:06:21
  is some reason why you do not want me to take my shoes off and
• 2:06:25
  go walk around out in the green grass of my yard and get some
• 2:06:29
  sunlight. It's just yeah, it's just
• 2:06:31
  amazing the effort that is put into the your tactic and and
• 2:06:35
  that's, you know, even just kind of laughing a little bit and
• 2:06:38
  just jumping around on some of this stuff is important because
• 2:06:42
  really that's that's what we hope you guys do.
• 2:06:45
  You keep your peace. We hope that you've learned
• 2:06:47
  something and that you're edified and just encouraged
• 2:06:51
  through this conversation that me and Gonz had here tonight.
• 2:06:53
  It was a total honor to have Gonz on.
• 2:06:57
  Basil was on on episode 100. The really the only other, well,
• 2:07:02
  I quit. I shouldn't say this because
• 2:07:03
  there I'll probably think of somebody later, but there was
• 2:07:06
  the late Doctor Chuck Missler that was like one of my heart
• 2:07:09
  throbs to interview and that's not an option at this point in
• 2:07:13
  time. But it was you and Basil, we're
• 2:07:16
  just up there, just the foundation you guys laid in the
• 2:07:18
  beginning. So wow, highly recommend you
• 2:07:20
  guys go over and check out Canary Cry Radio, Canary Cry
• 2:07:23
  News talk. I I really appreciate.
• 2:07:26
  You having me on, I didn't realize that I hadn't talked to
• 2:07:30
  him. I promised you that I would come
• 2:07:31
  on this show to talk about Age of Deceit 4.
• 2:07:34
  And I'm glad I did. I'm glad I did because it's, you
• 2:07:38
  know, I've been so much, there's been so much building up in my
• 2:07:40
  brain. Sometimes it's nice to talk to
• 2:07:43
  somebody that's not Basil, you know, to talk about all some of
• 2:07:47
  this stuff and getting some some feedback on it.
• 2:07:49
  So appreciate that. And yeah, if you've never
• 2:07:53
  checked out our show, we, yeah, we're on Monday, Wednesday.
• 2:07:58
  We try to do every Friday with something.
• 2:08:01
  And usually it's Canary Cry News Talk, Monday, Wednesday.
• 2:08:04
  And we just, you know, we talk about the news of the day or the
• 2:08:07
  last couple days and we have fun.
• 2:08:10
  You know, we, we're, we're, we laugh a lot.
• 2:08:14
  Let's just say that we, we, we make fun.
• 2:08:16
  But also we're trying to, you know, stick, keep things
• 2:08:20
  grounded. Cause the world's getting a
• 2:08:22
  little crazy, a lot of crazy things happening out there.
• 2:08:24
  So, you know, just come hang out.
• 2:08:26
  And if you need to decompress from all that, but still get
• 2:08:29
  informed, that's kind of what we do.
• 2:08:31
  So come check it out. And, but thank you.
• 2:08:34
  Thank you again, Rob, for having me on and inviting me over.
• 2:08:39
  Well, that's it. That's the show.
• 2:08:41
  You guys, I'm going to ask that you would like share, subscribe,
• 2:08:43
  share this with your friends, family members, Co worker, share
• 2:08:46
  it with your pastor coming to you from Southeastern
• 2:08:50
  Pennsylvania. God bless and goodbye.
• 2:09:08
  Thank you, Father, God, Lord, I thank.
• 2:09:10
  You for this opportunity, Yeshua, just for making a way
• 2:09:14
  where there seemed like there was no way.
• 2:09:16
  God, I asked that you would just anoint this message and take it
• 2:09:20
  to the ears of those who need to be woken up and just those who
• 2:09:23
  have the pureness in them to just challenge what they see
• 2:09:27
  that's wrong with the world. God, and let it encourage them.
• 2:09:29
  And Father, we just ask for Your words for us to be the salt to
• 2:09:34
  those who have an ear to hear. And I thank you for Gonz's time.
• 2:09:37
  Lord, I ask that you would return a favor and blessing to
• 2:09:40
  the time that He's offering today.
• 2:09:42
  And I pray in the name of Yeshua, Amen.
• 2:09:45
  Amen. And Lord.
• 2:09:45
  Thank you for this time, for this whole podcast, Lord.
• 2:09:49
  Just the entire technology, everything, Lord, we know that
• 2:09:51
  it's used by the enemy, but we're grateful that you are able
• 2:09:54
  to use us, Lord, to get your message out.
• 2:09:57
  And Lord, please use our lips, use our tongues, and spread the
• 2:10:02
  word and spread the goodness and the truth that people need to
• 2:10:05
  hear through this podcast. So in the name of Jesus Christ,
• 2:10:10
  Amen. Amen.
• 2:10:13
  All right. Yeah, let's do it so.
• 2:10:16
  If you don't mind, just do the. Intro for me and then we'll just
• 2:10:19
  jump this thing off. So whenever you're ready, just
• 2:10:23
  tell us who you are and welcome us to the Millennial Mustard
• 2:10:26
  Seed Podcast. Did I say that right,
• 2:10:30
  Millennium? Sorry, I messed that up.
• 2:10:34
  That's perfect. This is BHB and you're
• 2:10:40
  listening. To the Millennial Mustard Seed,
• 2:10:42
  my favorite podcast. Said you got to keep it on you.
• 2:10:57
  Got that shot, shot. Would you rather be loved by man
• 2:11:04
  or loved by Christ? Said you got to keep it on.
• 2:11:09
  You got that shot Shot. Would you rather be in love with
• 2:11:15
  the world or in love with Christ?
• 2:11:20
  My mom was sold out for myself. I left my left my way down, told
• 2:11:22
  my son to even stand out and couldn't find a shrink to pray.
• 2:11:25
  Now devil play, I'll find a straw.
• 2:11:27
  I never thought I'd see her cross the line.
• 2:11:29
  I thought that I would always be stuck.
• 2:11:32
  I can't fathom trying in the deep.
• 2:11:35
  Every day I woke up had the seizures, what I see house was
• 2:11:38
  empty, family gone. Shame on me.
• 2:11:40
  I'm weak, about to take my life. I almost gave in to defeat.
• 2:11:44
  Couldn't find no way to get him to pray.
• 2:11:47
  Staying in my lane, find a new lane so I.
• 2:11:52
  Took a step. Took.
• 2:11:53
  A step caught up to the Lord, then he cleaned my man and now
• 2:11:58
  it's up, Up, run it up. Go buck, buck.
• 2:12:02
  Line after line. I found my money, so I can't go
• 2:12:10
  back to my old ways. I got to keep it up.
• 2:12:16
  I can't risk. It came a long way, said.
• 2:12:20
  You got to keep it on. You got that shot, shot.
• 2:12:25
  Would you rather be loved? By men or loved by Christ said
• 2:12:32
  you got to keep it on. You got that shot shot.
• 2:12:37
  Hey, would you rather be in love with the world or in love with
• 2:12:41
  Christ? Ellie.
• 2:12:44
  I've been feeling like I'm lukewarm.
• 2:12:46
  Gotta make a move go in a world out of the world that I'm still
• 2:12:49
  trying to do. Don't care if they judge me.
• 2:12:51
  Father God, just being vulnerable.
• 2:12:53
  I can gain a word to lose my souls.
• 2:12:54
  Only if I would I lose. You said the path was narrow.
• 2:12:57
  You said this was no tightrope. I need time to repeat.
• 2:13:00
  So if I die, please let me die slow.
• 2:13:02
  Just Thankfully it ain't done no more.
• 2:13:03
  You can't. And cut the light on you just
• 2:13:05
  want us to step in this so we I seen them demons casting out
• 2:13:09
  their body have my mind bro they're trying to kill my flesh.
• 2:13:12
  I want to show you what side are because you can't be in love in
• 2:13:15
  the world if you want to love Christ.
• 2:13:19
  Said you got to keep it. Oh, you got?
• 2:13:21
  That shota shota. Would you rather be loved?
• 2:13:27
  By man or loved by Christ said you got to keep it.
• 2:13:32
  Oh, you got that shota, Shota.