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INTERVIEW: Michael 'Harry O' Harris Talks Community First, Death Row, Trump Pardon Suge Knight, Tupac + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's the j n V. Jesse Larry Charlamage the guy.
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  Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. Justice on maternity leave, so
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  Speaker 3: Laurla Ross is filling in and we got a special
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  Speaker 3: guest in the building. We have Michael Harry O. Harris,
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  Speaker 3: co founder of death Row Records.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, brother, Good morning black man.
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling I'm good, I'm good. You feeling good?
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  Speaker 1: We got we got to start.
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  Speaker 3: The story is from the beginning, sir, death Row Records.
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  Speaker 1: You started as the co founder for death Row.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We're gonna break that down.
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  Speaker 4: Please break that down to who are all the co founders?
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  Speaker 4: I mean my mind is you sugar, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Who doctor doctor. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So, so originally we created a company called Godfather Entertainment,
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  Speaker 5: which was the parent covey of Defro Records, and should
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  Speaker 5: was I believe the president of Godfather and doctor Dre
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  Speaker 5: was the president of Defau Records. And so we set
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  Speaker 5: it up like that because Godfather was going to do
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  Speaker 5: other entertainment assetts like films and concerts.
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  Speaker 2: But def Ro took off and.
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  Speaker 3: Then everything was different.
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  Speaker 2: Focus.
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  Speaker 3: How did you get into the entertainment world. We always
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  Speaker 3: hear the story that you know, Sugar was playing football
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  Speaker 3: and from the neighborhood see what was going on with
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  Speaker 3: music and decided he wanted to get into it. So
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  Speaker 3: how did y'all get into music? What made y'all say
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  Speaker 3: I want to get into the music?
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  Speaker 2: So how did I get it entertainment? Yes? Or how
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  Speaker 2: did we start doing both? Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Actually before I went away, you know, I did thirty
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  Speaker 5: three years before I went away, I used to be
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  Speaker 5: involved in club promotion. I used to do plays, national plays,
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  Speaker 5: and I got to do a Broadway play before I
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  Speaker 5: went away. One of those plays actually included as Washington
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  Speaker 5: on Broadway, So when that aired on Broadway, I kind
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  Speaker 5: of took an exit. And so, but I was in
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  Speaker 5: the music business. I had limousine services. Was I was
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  Speaker 5: in an entertainment circle. So I met a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people from that. From my first business. I was twenty
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  Speaker 5: one years old when I started. It was a limousine
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  Speaker 5: service that that allowed me to make meet with different
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  Speaker 5: people in the sports fields, the entertainment world, political world.
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  Speaker 5: So I got to meet a lot of people at
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  Speaker 5: the early age.
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  Speaker 4: I want to go back to something you said, so
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  Speaker 4: you said sug was Godfather, Gray was death Row.
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  Speaker 2: Let me back up. Sure was the CEO of Godfather.
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  Speaker 2: That was my company, and Shured was also the CEO of.
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  Speaker 1: Death rowt you doctor J was the president?
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  Speaker 2: Got you right? And where'd you come in at? I
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  Speaker 2: just was decided I was behind.
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  Speaker 1: He was the money man.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't just the money man. I helped structure it.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, in my situation, I wanted to play
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  Speaker 5: the back. I kind of wanted to just have a
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  Speaker 5: phantom present because I just got a life sentence and
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  Speaker 5: I got a twenty year sentence from affairs, and I
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  Speaker 5: didn't want that to become the focus I wanted. I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to be about the business that we had created.
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  Speaker 1: Did they did they take care of you when you
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  Speaker 1: was away?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know how business is.
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  Speaker 5: I mean everything was good, I mean, you know, everything
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  Speaker 5: was organized, but as things got bigger, it got crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, did you come home in any money? Is what
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  Speaker 4: I'm asking I guess. Yeah, you wonder how much I got?
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  Speaker 1: At one point he made three hundred million dollars in
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  Speaker 1: a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I came home to what I was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: come home to.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, how did you meet Sugar, and how did you
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  Speaker 3: meet Doctor dre Well.
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  Speaker 5: At the time that I met Should, he was managing
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  Speaker 5: Doctor dre and DLC and UH. They had just came
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  Speaker 5: out of a situation with n w A and a
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  Speaker 5: friend of mine is Ryan Brown, used to play football
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  Speaker 5: for the Rams. Uh also was connected to Should through
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  Speaker 5: the football world, and Ron and I grew up together
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  Speaker 5: him and his cousin Eric, and so they introduced me
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  Speaker 5: to Should because he was trying to make some things
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  Speaker 5: happen and it needs some back in and they introduced
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  Speaker 5: me to him. I had my attorney, David Kennell, bring
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  Speaker 5: him in and we sit down and talked about how
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  Speaker 5: we can make this a business. At the time, he
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  Speaker 5: was just managing and he was working out of Solar
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  Speaker 5: Studios with Dick Griffy, and Dick Griffy was kind of
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  Speaker 5: mentoring me. But I don't think at the time Rest
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  Speaker 5: in peace, Dick Griffy, he didn't really understand what the
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  Speaker 5: emerges of hip hop meant and so he kind of
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  Speaker 5: fell asleep at the wheel. He was more focused. He
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  Speaker 5: come from the R and B SE world. He was
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  Speaker 5: our version of the West Coast motile and so you know,
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  Speaker 5: Charlamar Atlantic Star whispers, you know, babyface.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody came through him.
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  Speaker 5: So he was adviseding and should on how to manage
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  Speaker 5: and do things like that, but he wasn't really pushing
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  Speaker 5: for him financially to set up the company.
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  Speaker 2: That's where I.
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  Speaker 1: Came in at what you had in life. But you
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  Speaker 1: did thirty three and didn't Trump commute your sentence?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he community the federal sentence. The state says I
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  Speaker 5: did twenty three on and actually was found actually innocent
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  Speaker 5: of that case. But I did the time and was
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  Speaker 5: released through the board. They didn't have a mechanism in
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  Speaker 5: there for actually innocent, but they let me go after
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  Speaker 5: twenty three years.
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  Speaker 4: How did you even know about your situation? How did
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  Speaker 4: like like who put them onto it?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, first of all, he got backed up for
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  Speaker 5: see the content see this in full context. So when
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  Speaker 5: Obama was in office, I put in a request. I
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  Speaker 5: was transferred to the federal system in twenty twelve, and
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  Speaker 5: so at the end of his term, I put in
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  Speaker 5: a request for relief for clemency.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't hear nothing back. And when.
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  Speaker 5: The second term, I put in a request basically land
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  Speaker 5: on all the work that I had done while I
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  Speaker 5: was incarcerated. You know, I had helped create a lot
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  Speaker 5: of financial literacy courses, you know, self help classes while
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  Speaker 5: I was in the state prison. So the second time,
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  Speaker 5: my mother was dying, and so I put in a
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  Speaker 5: compassion release.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't hear anything about it.
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  Speaker 5: So I had already created a record for requests. And
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  Speaker 5: so when Donald Trump, when the President was leaving, I
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  Speaker 5: put in a requested him, and Alice Johnson was working
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  Speaker 5: with him, and she got wind of my petition and
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  Speaker 5: read it and says, this man had done too much
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  Speaker 5: time based on the second circumstances, and she took it
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  Speaker 5: to Ivanka Trump and jaredt and they took it and
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  Speaker 5: lobbied it to the president, and after four attempts, people
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  Speaker 5: kept trying to push it down. This is what I
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  Speaker 5: heard later. He just went through it and says, I
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  Speaker 5: gotta let him go. This guy did too much time here,
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  Speaker 5: you know, did the work. Don't make sense why I
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  Speaker 5: am in prison.
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  Speaker 7: Alice Johnson is the woman that he also helped to
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  Speaker 7: get free to with Kim Kardashian being involved, right right.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the first releases.
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  Speaker 7: That is what he did for you, is that the
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  Speaker 7: biggest part or the only reason why you decide to
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  Speaker 7: back him, or are there are other reasons why you
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  Speaker 7: also decide to back him too.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, look, let me just keep it real. I
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  Speaker 5: appreciated what he did for me. I always got to
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  Speaker 5: be lawed to that. But at the same time, I'm
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  Speaker 5: really about my community. And so even though he had
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  Speaker 5: done that for me, I still did my research in
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  Speaker 5: terms of how I was going to approach community first,
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  Speaker 5: and community first needed to be.
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  Speaker 2: Approached with all options.
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  Speaker 5: So when I put out the challenge for the old
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  Speaker 5: plan and the community first, I put it out to
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  Speaker 5: both candidates and then he tapped in. So in my
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  Speaker 5: due diligence, you have to look at the things that
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  Speaker 5: has been done before in terms of and so you
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  Speaker 5: can figure out.
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  Speaker 2: What's real moving forward.
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  Speaker 5: So what he had done, because like I said, I'll
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  Speaker 5: just go by what somebody say, I go by what
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  Speaker 5: it is.
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  Speaker 2: I know they did.
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  Speaker 5: He had put in for permanent it was a bipartisan
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  Speaker 5: bill for HBCU permanent funding. I know he did that
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  Speaker 5: for the community. I think it was authored by Corey
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  Speaker 5: Booker Tim Scott, but he signed it in the law.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I know that he did a sickle cell.
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  Speaker 5: Anemia initiative where he funded it a bipartisan bill to
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  Speaker 5: make sure that we get get to a cure for
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  Speaker 5: a disease that is mainly strike stricten old black people
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  Speaker 5: in some Hispanics and also lets HBU.
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  Speaker 1: The HBCU thing is true.
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  Speaker 4: But Biden and Harris they did give a record seventeen
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars the historically black colleges and university So they did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trugted.
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  Speaker 4: Trump did sign the HBCU bill and the law before
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  Speaker 4: they get twenty fifty million dollars annually, but Biden Harris
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  Speaker 4: seventeen billion dollars.
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  Speaker 5: That's a record but afterwards, So I don't think we
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  Speaker 5: have a disagreement here. I think what he did was
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  Speaker 5: he made it permanent before people have to still you know,
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  Speaker 5: bid for it, you know, go in and just about
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  Speaker 5: reasons to get the funding. And so he made it permanent.
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  Speaker 5: And so I believe the seventeen billion initiatives you're talking
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  Speaker 5: about came not too long ago where they actually enhanced
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  Speaker 5: something that became permanent.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I'm not I'm not sure of it.
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  Speaker 1: I I don't know how it all worked.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was bipartisan, so from both sides did
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  Speaker 5: the right thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, everything is always by part of it, which is
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  Speaker 4: the conversation. You don't like you can't do it without
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  Speaker 4: Democrats and republic right.
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  Speaker 5: And I think I think that's I think that hopefully
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  Speaker 5: that's what this conversation will be about today about you know,
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  Speaker 5: we have to be on both sides of ours to
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  Speaker 5: get something done. If this team win, and who's over
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  Speaker 5: there to represent us? If that team wins, who's over
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  Speaker 5: there representas and what is the policies? And so outside
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  Speaker 5: of that, she asked me a question about was that
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  Speaker 5: the only reason? I think. Another reason that that hit
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  Speaker 5: home for me was opportunity zones. That was also about
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  Speaker 5: a partisan bill that was also signed the law by
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump that I think generated over five hundred billion dollars,
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  Speaker 5: but as today, one hundred billion has been deployed, so
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  Speaker 5: it's about four hundred billion left and I think four
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  Speaker 5: hundred about four three hundred communities has benefited from those
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  Speaker 5: opportunity zones. And I don't know if you you've covered
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  Speaker 5: that or not, but what it does is it allows
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  Speaker 5: wealthy people, private investors to get taxing centerves to invest
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  Speaker 5: in overlook communities.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we got all these communities where.
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  Speaker 5: People go in and you got cheaper housing, but you
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  Speaker 5: don't have no malls, you don't have no shopping centers,
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  Speaker 5: you don't have other type of businesses that help support
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  Speaker 5: those communities. And so one of the things I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to do with the old plan was doubled down on
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  Speaker 5: that opportunity zone so that we could, uh, we can
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  Speaker 5: get we can, we can rich. People can stay rich
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  Speaker 5: and do what they do, but how can we utilize
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  Speaker 5: their money to help elevate our communities without begging? You understand,
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  Speaker 5: like like this is a deal about business, always been
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  Speaker 5: about business. How can we turn this into a business
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  Speaker 5: situation instead of just emotional you know, I go for
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  Speaker 5: this person, I go for this person, and and and
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  Speaker 5: chase down the facts. And then also one of the
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  Speaker 5: last things, uh that I'm partially through this first step
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  Speaker 5: at because it's not just about me getting out. There's
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  Speaker 5: thousands of people got a prison that was over incarcerated
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  Speaker 5: and was able to be reunited with their families. And
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  Speaker 5: that was important to me, you know, to to not
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  Speaker 5: be out here having a cool life back in business
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  Speaker 5: and forget about the people who still walk in that
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  Speaker 5: track every day, and it may have got a weak
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  Speaker 5: case that got them thirty years or some drug cases
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  Speaker 5: that might have got them thirty or forty or life sentence.
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  Speaker 5: And the First Step Act was also a bipartisan bill.
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  Speaker 5: So when I keep saying that, it's about who can
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  Speaker 5: we rely on the work walk, walk across the aisle
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  Speaker 5: and get something done. And so that's that's kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of like the reason why and who's willing to do
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  Speaker 4: things for us?
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  Speaker 5: Don't forget about that part because when look, I'm nobody,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just a guy. I'm not a politician, but I'm
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  Speaker 5: a guy who's been watching a lot of smoke and
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  Speaker 5: mirrorage jump off and people talk and talking down to
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  Speaker 5: each other, opposed to watching people every day have to
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  Speaker 5: deal with how they gonna pay their bills when things
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  Speaker 5: done doubled up and tripled up, and how they gonna
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  Speaker 5: how they gonna make a living.
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  Speaker 2: You know, real people, I got family. Everybody ain't rich,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we all doing what we're doing,
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  Speaker 2: and so, uh, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, I was blessed to be an opportunity to have
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  Speaker 5: connection to something that put me in a level But
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  Speaker 5: why not use that platform to speak to the truth.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't care if it's her, it's him, whoever's
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  Speaker 5: going to represent us, we should represent them, and we
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  Speaker 5: need to get get our hands dirty. We need to
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  Speaker 5: get involved, we need to agree. Yeah, so I appreciate this.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, with so much going on in your
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  Speaker 3: life that people don't know, why did you feel like
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  Speaker 3: you had to jump in politics or you had to
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  Speaker 3: spit with you you know, the truth of politics?
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  Speaker 2: Why that?
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  Speaker 3: Because your story is amazing and you're kind of like
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  Speaker 3: the for most the secret source in death Row? Right
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  Speaker 3: what people might not know? You know, they don't know
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  Speaker 3: that you were behind a lot of people don't know
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  Speaker 3: that you were behind death Row when you were part
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  Speaker 3: of that situation. Why jump into politics?
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  Speaker 2: Good question?
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  Speaker 5: But you know even when I came home, when I
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: first came home, you know, different people and from my
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: neighborhood has called on me, and I went to the
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  Speaker 5: community and I.
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  Speaker 2: Spent time with the kids. You know, I know that.
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  Speaker 5: Let me back up for thirty people say thirty two
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  Speaker 5: years you said quick, sound quick, but to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Trust me?
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: Trust me if you broke it down in the seconds, minutes,
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  Speaker 5: and hours, even astronomical and you have a lot of
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  Speaker 5: time to think.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know that even when I
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  Speaker 5: first started Death Row, I was on death Rod for
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  Speaker 5: a period. Even though I wasn't sentenced to death row
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  Speaker 5: in sat Quinn, I spent time there. And when I
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: spent time there, I was able to be around some
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  Speaker 5: people that was actually younger than me. I went to
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: prison when I was twenty six years old. So you
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: have people on death Road that was and they were
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  Speaker 5: still killing people, and so I go to the yard,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm separated from them because I'm not a part
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  Speaker 5: of death Row. I'm just on death Row and I'm
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: talking to these guys that come from neighborhoods like mines
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  Speaker 5: and these dudes's like twenty four years old and twenty
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  Speaker 5: three years old. So that's part of my psychic When
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: it was time to create death Row. That and a
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: lot of people go back and forth about the name.
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  Speaker 5: Who came up with the name night Sure then was
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  Speaker 5: playing with d E F like death ro and I
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  Speaker 5: and I said it's gonna call it death Row Records
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  Speaker 5: because I just thought as a cautionary tale, it was
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  Speaker 5: a great opportunity to tell young people that grew up
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  Speaker 5: where I come from, the death road waiting for them.
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  Speaker 5: And I just don't think a lot of people understood
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  Speaker 5: that or know that. Like just to sit here and
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  Speaker 5: hear people walking down the hall and never come back,
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  Speaker 5: and to see that as a youngster, it has an
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  Speaker 5: impact on you. You cannot you cannot not remember it.
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  Speaker 4: They glorified now it's so weird to me, like they
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  Speaker 4: be posting from Instagram like they just having a ball
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  Speaker 4: in prison, Like yeah, but.
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  Speaker 5: You know, like like any show is reality and his hype.
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  Speaker 5: When they get off that mic, they gotta walk their track.
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  Speaker 5: They gotta eat that same meal. They gotta you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: some of them got tears in the pillow. They may
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: not never tell you that they buffed that eye, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: they do what they do. But trust me, I ain't
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  Speaker 5: met nobody that ever loved being in prison. And so
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: but but you to your point, people come out, you know,
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  Speaker 5: unde x amount of times's supposed to feel like they're
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  Speaker 5: supposed to get a certain type of reputation. I think
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  Speaker 5: that's a false reputation of the pain that you go
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  Speaker 5: through when you're in prison, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: So what did you think about what you're creating? Death
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  Speaker 3: Row and the reason you created death Row from what
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing. And then some of the death row artists
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  Speaker 3: were you know, it was violent. You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Snoop was was was on death row one time. He
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: was you know, possibly convicted of of of of murder.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: He was trying to try, Yeah, tried for murder. But
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the death row artists were so violent
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  Speaker 3: that could have put him in places where death row was.
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  Speaker 3: So did you ever think like that's not this why
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: this was created, or did you think this is just music?
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: This is just it goes back, It goes back to
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: what Shannaman just said, Like you see a projection of
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: some people wearing things from prison. I just think that
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: death Row guy out of hand. Like a part of
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: the narrative in the beginning was Teller Street start right, good,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: bad and difference.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: That's what it was about.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: But when you go out and the public and things
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: start to happen, to get in commotion, shoot, and then
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: you start getting hype behind it and getting news articles
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: behind it, like the thing that happened in New Orleans
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: that change Should's mind kind of like it made him
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: start feeling like we need more of that. You understand,
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: but to sell records and so, and I think he
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: got caught up in that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not just saying him, I'm just saying the whole culture.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Because you know, from an economic standpoint, First of all,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: the East Coast created hip hop. Let's put that out there, right,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: But from an economic standpoint, the machine that the West
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Coast win. And what I mean by that we went,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: we won and we lost. So what I mean by
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: that is that because of the nature of the subject
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: matter that we was talking about, we was able to
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: do to do big business. So he was independent what
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: he was able to move into the majors because of
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: our first album, The Chronic. However, the subject matter changed
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: from what original hip hop was about, you know, having
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: parties kicking it, talking about our king and queens, and
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: that that wasn't getting supported by the machine. But when
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: we start killing each other talking about you know, so
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: even though he was telling cautionary tales, people got confused
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: about what's real and what's not. And I just watched
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: it become pervasive. You know, even in prison, you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: guys seeing their hood hollowed out. You know, it was
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: a sense of pride. I mean, it kind of got
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: a little off track from what it was really supposed
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: to be. And once you started making first album, your
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: first year, I mean, we made fifty million dollars.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Actually, Interscope was about to close its doors with his
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: investment with death Row saved its company. So a lot
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: of people don't talk about it in reverse. They always
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: talk about Interscope make death Row. They don't talk about
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: what death Row did the Interscope and what it did
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: the Universal and the fact that Warner Brothers almost went
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: out of business because they got out of hip hop business,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: they got out of death Row business. I mean, it's
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: a whole lot to be talked about if.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: You were right, because even if you think about in
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the scope, they might have got out of the business
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: to death Rode, but they damn sure stayed in business
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: with doctor Dre and made sure Dre came over there
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: and something.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So you know, it's all connected, But where is it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Where is it?
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Where did it come from? It came from that that
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: thing in me and others. I didn't do that for
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: by myself to want to make an impression like like
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: to not allow my incarceration to be the end of
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: me and so I invested, you know, some of my
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: some of my money, but I could invest it in
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: something else. So I invested in that organization to become
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: a reality.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: If you were home, you think it would have been
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: ran the same way, or you think since you were
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: inside and you've seen so much, you would have tried
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to calm it down as much as possible.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just look, man, You know you don't You
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: don't go through what I went through. You don't see
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: people get stabbed and killed every day, and that's something
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: you look forward to, you know what I mean. I mean,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not just saying that. I'm just telling you I
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: don't know. Some days. When I first came to prison,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: it wasn't about all those programs I'm telling you ILL
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: helped create later. It's about am I gonna be alive tomorrow?
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: You mean, because you know it's so much hate up
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: in these penitentis. When you're up in them type of
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: penitential you can cut it with a knife, that's how
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: much hate you feel. And to be able to communicate
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and deal and then try to create a company with
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: all that going on, it wasn't no easy walk. But
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm a man of God bruh. And then
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: that's what kept me alive and pushing and trying to
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: stay revenant in a situation where they had me in
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: a control environment. So you know, yeah, I think it
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: would have been different, but I don't live in the ifs,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because, like I said, that
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: was my intention, and you know how intentions go. But
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: it became what it became. And now it's on a
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: new trajectory. You know, it's a new management if you will,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So there's an opportunity for
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: a different death Road history.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Are you part of the Death Row that Snoop has now?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Are you part? Yeah? We're partner, Okay, okay, okay, Yeah. Yeah,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: he's the CEO and I'm the co that dope.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And we also just created death Ro Pictures, so
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: we feel to try to do for death Ro Pictures
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: what we did with Death Row Records in terms of
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: imagery and trying to like deflect some of the stuff
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: that we were known for.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: The Tyrene movie was part of that, right, Yeah, it was.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It was it was.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Used to speak to ship.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: They spoke to him in a while. Yeah, we kind
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: of went a whole separate ways.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: But but but nineteen ninety two and then y'all got
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: an y'all the Snoop bio pick is coming.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Snoop Bio Pick. I'm doing my biopic. Uh.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: We've been talking with Danzel about producing it and Antoine
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: for Choir about directing it. And like I said, again,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: here's another opportunity to tell the story. Uh, but keeping
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: it real, you know what I'm saying more like a
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: serious probably because it's so mustant the cover.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: What's our what's our community first? You got that's an initiative.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: You got community First, the community.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if you guys with award you
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: got all you got? You got too much going on here.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I need to get one of them hats.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Community First is an initiative that we created to speak
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: to really to elevate the voices of the black community
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: doing this vot voting cycle. But even beyond that, it's like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: you know about assets, like how can we have access
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: to capital? How can how can we how can we
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: have munyful jobs at uh second chance hiring when people
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: come home. So we got the access agenda and we
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: got the redemption agenda.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So the access is about what we can do in.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: The community in terms of like I said, even when
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I was talking earlier about opportunity zones and talking about
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: better schools like a second, you know, like in terms
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: of school choice, what can we do to make sure
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: that our schools in our community is top notch and
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: not controlled by unions where people just you know, if
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: people are not effective, they still keep their job. Our
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: children deserve more than that, and so very what I
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: know what school did to me, you know, in terms
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: of me almost dropping out, in terms of not hearing
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the information I need to hear.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: That speaks to my spirit.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people call us dropouts
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: from a community, but don't understand that there's a reason
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: why things happen. If somebody's telling you information that's inconsistent
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: with the truth that you know and you're supposed to
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: digest it. I'm not saying people should drop out, That's
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: not what I'm saying. I said, but that's the reason
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of people drop out, because they can identify
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: with the information that's been served to them. So we
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: need better schools rather, you know, people need to have
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: opportunity to go to better schools in their community.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Outside the community.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: And we also need to have you know, pale grants
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: that deal with Bouquet shouldn't have a training. Some people don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: want to go to college and so and we know
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: with these training, with these new training systems, programs in
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: terms of technology, people can go there a couple of years,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: six months and make half a million dollars a year,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: you know. So these are the things that we're concerned with.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: And people that's in prison, who is a captive audience
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: need to have the skill set when they come home.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: They need to be trained, They need to be giving programs.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you do a crime, you're doing your time.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Why shouldn't that be taking advantage of and giving people
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to come home with skill set. Like when
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I was in San Quentin, we created a company called
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: organizations called List Last Mile that trained people how to
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: code so that when they came home they had meaningful
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: employment and they out there doing big days and created
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: all kinds of organizations from that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So that's a model of what we could do.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: But I also believe it, why should we wait till
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: people go to prison that's helped them before and help.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Them when they get out.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: They might keep them out of prison. They worth they
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: feel the work, they have to feel it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, and what's the op playing challenge?
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: But the old playing challenge was basically laying out what
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: this agenda is. That I was looking for somebody to
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: commit to what we're trying to do.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And and so I think a lot.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Of people thought, Okay, well Trump pardoned him, so he's
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: gonna back for Trump. Look, if it was just about that,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: I could have just did that day one. But when
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: you involve the community, you have to make sure that
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: the community have options.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So that's why I.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Made the challenge to come out as well as Donald Trump.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: And still I haven't heard nothing from her camp, but
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I heard something from his camp. And like I'm here,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not here in disrespect the black woman an elevated
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: white man, because I'm not a politician. My job is
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: to give my community information so they can make the
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: best choices, because that's what I think.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Destroys a lot of our lives.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: It's not having the wisdom of the information to make
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: those decisions.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: And when I say, and you ask me, why would
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I get in this when I sit in there for
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: all those years and I could watch you know, people
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: think that when you're in prison, you're dead, but you're
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: just like a grave that's covered up. But you could
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: with a glass ceiling you can see the world. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: you're saying, why is this not happening? If I was out,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: what would I do? And I know a lot of
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: people that's pretty wealthy, that makes a lot of you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: they can make a lot of things happen and don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: because they get put in boxes. And I don't judge that,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: you know. I think it's too easy to judge, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: but it's hard to think, you know. So I'm just saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: instead of judging other people while they don't do, what
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: can I do? So I use my platform the opportunities
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: I have to speak to my community. So we did
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: some concerts in Pittsburgh, we did some Conder, we did
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: some concerts in Philadelphia, Atlanta, and we did some concerts
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: in Detroit. And we spend time on the ground and
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: talk to people. And I went to this, uh, this
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: one Paul Paul Kids as an organization what this lady
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: has in Atlanta and Kathy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And she and she she's.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: The mother for children whom mothers are on drugs and
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: fathers are in prison on drugs and they come there
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: to eat every day. And seeing these kids reminded me
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: of me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And what can happen if people don't pay attention. So
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm about. Yeah, that's what I'm about. That's
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: what I focus on. Not seeing people do a day
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: like I did, and they're gonna take people supporting their
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: community to make that happen.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm on. You know, It's amazing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It's like you based off your information and your experiences,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: you support, you support based.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Off buying from MEAs my experiences.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I supported, I support, But that's not gonna ever stop
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: me from helping another black man help his community.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm ultimately on. At the end
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I love that bro, because that's what I'm saying. We
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: got enough division, you understand. Just like even on a
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: small level, we was at we was in Detroit, Pontiac actually,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: but you know, outside of Detroit, and it came to
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: my attention that Trick Trick and Rick Ross had had
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: this issue ongoing issue and they both was on the bill.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Hey this is I forgot.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I forgot you made made peace.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Look they had it in him, bro, and it was easy,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: you know, because we're brothers. Why not Saturday example, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: they did. It was big and people felt it, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. So that's what community first is about,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: merging communities, not.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Not who did you call first? Who'd you called?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Uh jeeries out know. It was like, that's a good point.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: It was Trick Trick City, and so one of the
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: things I wanted to do is be respectful when we
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: come up into different communities. And I just know how
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: that is and how important it is. So it was
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Trick Trick City. So we brought him on and then
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I talked to Rick about coming onto the show, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: he was cool, and then we had to talk. You
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. He said, you know, you know
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: how you talk. That's an easy big dog. It was
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: just that, he said, that's easy because and then for
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: them to meet halfway coming up to the stairs and race.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Before they came out to the stage, it's powerful.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: And so you know, we had we had some first
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: like it was uh State property. It was in our
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: first concert and they that was the first time in
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: twenty years they had all collectively UH stays together, you know.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: And then we had in Atlanta. We had t I
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: two and all those guys and uh, I think this
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: is one of Tu's last concerts. And just to see
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: all the homegrown talent on the stage together, it's powerful.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: So we want to keep doing stuff like that. We
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: want to keep having to do townholls. We want to
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: talk to republics and democrats together. We want to talk
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: about real issues, and we want to talk to anybody
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: that supports us.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Can you put Kendrick and Drake stage to give or
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: let them hung it out?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I got another question next mission.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: That's the next mission, that one.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on it man. Anytime we can, like anytime
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: we can kill it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Perfectly that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: I don't know about love. I would like to see it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: like if that could happen. Why not, because it's just
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: something to watch.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: I disagree with he just said, you don't like I've
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: been watching you. I've been watching all from behind the balls,
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: behind the walls.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: What they say about the insigne they think they people
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: ask me what they really got?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I think they think they're gainst us. Yeah, that's what
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: he said.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Can you see a gun on the Trust me be
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: honest with you. You guys are liked for people that's incarcerated.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I think I think people don't realize what kind of
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: a fact people incarcerated have on the family members that
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: really stay connected to them, because really people really want
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: their brothers, sisters, mamas and daddies and nephews to come home.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: And so when you when you have a show like
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: you guys have and we're able to watch that in it,
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: you know, fast stay whatever, They're gonna watch you, and
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: they listen.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: They hang on you, guys every word.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: And so this is to be on your show and
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: to be able to talk a little bit about community
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: first and about the old plan.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And uh, I really appreciate y'all.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: You don't know how much y'all affect people.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: On a data base on a daily basis, because what
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: else you have in there besides reading?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Of course I did a lot of that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: But to be when they listen to you, you bring
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: them back into the world because you understand you are isolated.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Outside of walking that track, you ain't going nowhere.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: And when you know that in your mind and you
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: have to find something else, you have to find you,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: you know, and I find God to God help me
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: walk through that and then be about purpose. You know
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I stay president, you know, at every
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: step of the way. So when I came home, I
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: was ready to go. I had to get ready. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: think people. I think when people don't do that, they
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: have to come home and get ready, and then there
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: it goes backwards instead of forwards.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: You got to get ready when you had an opportunity.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: To get ready, and we had this is I just
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: want to go back to this voting thing. I just
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: watched our vote becomes so powerful in the last few months,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: and I just think people shouldn't know that that you
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: can't keep voting for people that don't represent your best interest.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying everybody's gonna do. You don't agree
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: with everything everybody gonna do, because you're not gonna do that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But we have to. We have to push for something
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if we want something.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: If we continue to sit back and vote like it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: like we're going to church and God gonna do something
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: special for you, you gotta do something special for yourself.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing when you get when you're going
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: out and putting people in a position to represent you,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: you gotta request.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Something to them so at least you have a measuring
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: stick that says, okay, I requested this from you. You
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: said you was gonna do it. Three years, four years
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: go by, nothing happened. I don't see you no more.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: We need to be about the business. Just like you
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: watch everything you put digest into your body. You need
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: to watch you. You got to represent you. It could
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: be the death for you. And that's what I'm on
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: you know, Like I just I just hope my voice
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: is heard in a way and the way that I'm
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: sitting it out, I hope it's received that way. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: don't have no reason to come out here and put
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: on a show. My thing is about if you heard
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: something that changes your mind or open you up to something,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: then I'm down my job. I can't direct you into
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: no direction. You just gotta see that this is about
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: us making a deal to change the trajectory our community.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: That's what it is. And if you don't, if nobody
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: don't want to engage you, how you gonna make a deal.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: The fact that whatever you feel about Donald Trump was
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: able with all this stuff going on. Tap back in
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: and says, hey, man, if I get back in the office,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I'm committed to work in community first, to make sure
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: that we help you do what you're trying to do
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: with the old plan. I left it out there, it
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: came back, it's still out there. So to answer your question, I.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Think it's all about relationships too though, because I can.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I can say that about Vice Fresid and Kamalade talk
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: to me about that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I can say that, like I got.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: You know, one of my big initiatives is mental health advocacy,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you know, and I've seen her put two hundred and
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: eighty five million dollars into mental health programs that help
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: increase the number of mental health professionals in our communities.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: I can talk about the American Rescue Plan, you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: where she's put tens of millions of dollars into small, small,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: small black businesses, you know, all through North Carolina, all
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: through Louisiana. So I mean, I just think it's all
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: about what you're tapped into and what your relationship is
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: with that individual.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Like you, probably no more than most.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't know any of that what you said about,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: you know, Trump with the community first thing, But that's
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: because that's been your relationship, that's been your experience, just
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: like my relationship.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: My experience has been with the VP. So that's what
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I support.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, outside of me meeting with President Trump, when I
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: thanked him for you know, allowing me to reach back
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: out into my family. First, I'll always give it to
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: God first. But the fact that Trump did it, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: thanked him for it. But I haven't really I haven't
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: really develop relationship. But at the same time, you have,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: so you know more about her. I mean, I'm from California,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: so I know certain things about her as well, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Not not in the way that you do.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Okay like that and uh and uh so when you're
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: in California State prison, so I got a different lens,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: different view different viewful how things happen or could have happened.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I'm not here to do that. I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: just here to talk about policies that elevate the community.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I mentioned was policy.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: And I appreciate the dialogue in the way that we've
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: been civil and I feel we're supposed to know.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: I think it's the most ridiculous thing in the world
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: for people to be at odds with each other and
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: like people be talking.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Crazy at each other over politicians. At the end of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the day, regardless of who wins.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Guess what, We're still black when our communities are gonna
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: still be what they are, and we're gonna have to
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: do what we gotta do the better community.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: And that's about that. And I think we don't have
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: no arguments here, and that's beautiful. I wish the world
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: saw it like that. I see people you know, sit
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: next to you on planes and mentioned party and the
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: next thing you know, they got separated them.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: You know, it's is the plane going down? You know
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm serious, I don't seeing that. And it's like
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: it shouldn't be like that. Like one thing God gave
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: us is free will, choice and we should be able
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to make that choice. And the best way to do that,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I believe is with information. And so even though like
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: he just broke down the information that he has, that
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: I break that information and I have. Well, once you
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: have that information, you can make a determination and no
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: one should tell you or shame you because you made
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: a determination separate from the way the other person feels.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's disrespectful to human beings, but I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: it's more disrespectful to what God gave us. Don't take
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: my choice away from me. Don't tell me if I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: don't vote for him her or this race or that
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: race that somehow I'm not who I am. And you
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: haven't even walked in my steps to speak to me
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: like that. So I'm just I'm just appreciative of the
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: conversation and the opportunity because people respect your platform.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. I would dislike you more
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: if you're a Cowboys fan than anything else, like him,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: like I just like a cowboy. I just the reason why.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: But how can people follow what you're doing?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Before we wrap up?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Sometimes?
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: You said earlier, I've been trying to ask this, so
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: we kind of moved away from it. So I'm going
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: back to it. And when he asked you about sugar,
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: you said, y'all want y'all separate ways. Is there any
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: way that will ever see that reconciliation because it seems
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: like there's definitely a lot of space and stuff in between.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: Now with the defro Records conversation, will you guys ever
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: get back to a good space? Is that over and
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: done for you?
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: We got two minutes. I just say this, look this
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: should Knight that the world knew. It's a different should
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Night that I originally right and I just think. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: just think that money and power does a lot of
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: different things. And even when we went through like you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I had to sue him about my bread and that's
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: how I ended up losing death row.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I tried to talk to him.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Then I'm saying, look, man, his opportunity familiar to resolve
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: was supposed to be right, you know, because I chose
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: are gonna see this one day and says, why you
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: guys didn't work this out?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I see, that's what we should be on.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: But I can't keep trying to find a good in
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: somebody that don't want to find a good in themselves.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: And so him being behind these walls, I don't Whishperrison
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: on my worst enemy. I know he's feeling and understanding
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: things that he may could not have understood when he
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: was out here on the streets. So I pray that
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: he'd get the wisdom that I got when I.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Was behind, when I was behind the walls, and I
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: worked on myself.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: And I don't blame other people for anything I ever
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: went through, you know what I'm saying. So I can't
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: be out here talking about I'm about peace and about
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: community first, not be open, but people gotta stop living
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: in the past and try to figure out how to
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: move forward together. You know, I know, even Dog had
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: opened up our brands and things. Just it didn't work out, you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: But we all stayed hopeful and open because we all
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: created something in the beginning that was you know, entrepreneurs.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It's powerful.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: It was a voice for so many and it created
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of other companies. The other people was able
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: to benefit from what we created. Back in ninety one
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: ninety two.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I got one of the death ro questions, do you
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: remember the first time you heard Snoop? Did you know
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: he was a star right away? And do you remember
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the first time hear in Tupaca? Do you know he
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: was a star right away? Did you know that was
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: gonna take it to the next level? Well your thoughts
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the first time you.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Heard I watched I watched Tupac grow before he became
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: involved in death Row. But Snoop dogg my ex wife,
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Lydia Harris, she was she was a part of the company.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Even though I was around ay the walls, I used
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: to communicate through the farm every day. And she told
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: me that because he had a little naturally and she
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: told me she says, he the one, you know, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: then and then because sure didn't think he was. He
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: didn't think he was starting, you know, because you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: DC was supposed to be Snoop Dogg.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Correct, So he lost his voice, lost his voice, but.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: He still gave what he had, Like he taught Snoop
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Dogg things that changed Snoop.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Dogg as an artist.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: You wrote a lot too, That's what I'm talking about,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: but not just Snoop Dogg, but for doctor Dre, for
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: n w A. You know, he was the voice, to
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: be honest with you, out of Dallas. You know what
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, look at that economy. But what I'm saying
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: to you is that when I heard that voice, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: even when he was inside the wall, so I got
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: the music sent the At first, people was kind of
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: like didn't know what it was. But when he him
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: on that murders uh uh murder the cover the cover
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: one eight seven on the n the cover cop the
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: first time you heard that melodic voice, it changed West
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Coast music.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: The DC get what he was supposed to get for
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: being the voice of death Row, not just dethro A.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Well, my brother, he got a he got a documentary
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: coming out, and I think he's gonna get his flowers
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: because you know, and I don't want to dip the tea,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: but make sure I'm gonna make sure he come on
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: y'all show before he come out with it, because he's
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: gonna do something real revolutionary and that you know, that's
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: gonna shock people.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: But you know the question of you know, I don't think.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Doc's got what he's supposed to get because Doc was
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: the heart of Death Row at n w A, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: I just think that, and he's out there trying to
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: do stuff in the community. Me and him as a
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: real close contact. I love Doc because he was there
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: doing them first days. It was him, Should and Dre
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: that was supposed to start a business first, and somehow
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Doc got pushed out and I came in and then
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I had my push and pull too. You know, it's
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: been a you know, it's a family, but it's been
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: a kind of crazy family.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But you know, I'm back.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And you tell us the first time you heard Pop.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: UH liked it him.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: When I first heard him, Uh, I thought he was clever, smart,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: But when he came with the Death Row version, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: just think him being away, him being frustrated. He came
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: with another sound. You know, so when I first heard
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: you know, dear Mama, I'm not dem mama. But Ben
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: just having a.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Baby, he was already something special.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: The jury is still out on how I feel about
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: some of that, some of what happened. But in terms
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: of him musically, he just went to a whole other
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: level and he just it just was pawing out of it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Like he went to the studio. You know, I wasn't there,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: but they would tell me that he went to the
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: studio and he just he couldn't be stopped. You know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: he was He was a perfectionist. He wanted that he
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: wanted to sound like he wanted to sound. He wants
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: you to feel that projection. So, yeah, he was a loss,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: you know, mismanagement. Uh that costs uh one of our
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: treasure's life. As as relate to him and Vickie, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: thank God bless their soul. They was they were both
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: treasures to our community.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Well, how can people get in touch with with
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: with you and see what you're doing with community first
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: and all that, and follow what you're doing and maybe
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: even help and support.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And that would be lovely man. All the support we
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: can get we want.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Uh So, it's Community First Action dot org or at
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Community First Action, and that's how you can get in
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: contact with US supports. An official Harrio mhm. It's mine handle.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just out there.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I ain't hard to find. That's right.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you for joining us this morning, ladies
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: and gentlemen. Is Mike Harry Old Harrison. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning. The
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: M hm.