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• Paul: And welcome into the Slump Monkeys Concrete Podcast on our way to being the world's number one concrete podcast. It is September. That means we have a new title sponsor. So thankful that Manny Tejano and the folks at Rocket Start stepped up to help the show. They are the title sponsor here in September. We are proud to be brought by Rocket Start. You can visit them at Go rocketstart.com and you might be asking, why on earth would I go to that website? Well, if you do, you will meet the man himself. Manny Tano is a culture warrior, he's a culture builder. And if you're the type of person who's looking to make an impact on the culture in your company, then he's the person for you. Rocket Start is the company for you. You will recognize and reward the people in your company for Doing their regular job. Did they show up five days a week, three weeks in a row? And that's what you're looking to incentivize? Let's reward it. Did they pick up the Slack when somebody else put it down? Let's reward it. And those rewards are tangible, the things that they can use in everyday life, whether it's gift cards. One guy saved up all his rewards for a year and bought a vacation for his family. Yes, these are real rewards for real people. Please visit them at gocketstart.com. If you're looking to recognize and reward your people, that's gorocketstart.com. September, we have finally made it. It is the first week of college football. Week zero does not count. If you watched those games last Saturday, you would understand it does not count. We're not even talking about them. Can't describe how disgusting that game in Ireland was. Totally ruined the day, turned it off. We're moving on. Full week one. It's the greatest week of this of the whole like calendar year, not just the football season. That first Saturday is my favorite because it's the only one where my wife is excited for me. She knows how much I love college football. And I plop myself down. 9 a.m. college game days on. We're not going to bed until we pass out on that couch 15 or 17 hours later. But then the next week I do it again. She's a little less excited. And then the third week, so on and so on. So you know, the first one's fine. So this one's guilt free. I'm gonna really, really enjoy it. I said, you know what? The greatest week of the year. How can I not spend that week with two of my favorite people on the planet? That's correct. Waiting in the background right now, joining us is the original crew of the Add 10 Gallons concrete podcast. They're with me today. Joey Bell is here, the greatest turkey hunter in all of concrete. Joey, thank you for coming on. Joey Bell: Thank you. I'm glad to be back talking about mental health again. being a Vols fan. So Josh: Ha ha ha. Joey Bell: we got that going for us. Paul: And we've got Josh Hare, the chief conspiracy theorist officer. We're not going through our conspiracy theory yet. We're gonna save that for a couple of weeks from now. Today is all about college football. Josh, thank you so much for being here. Josh: My conspiracy theory of the day is Bill Belichick has to be a part of the Illuminati or something. there's no way you get that great naturally. Paul: I don't know, man. I'm there was the d there used to be a debate back in the day that it was either was it Tom Brady or was it Bill Belichick? Who was responsible for all those Super Bowl championships? I think it's pretty what's that? Josh: I'll say both. Both. Paul: Bo I don't I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say Tom Brady was pulling that train along. The minute he leaves, Belichick can't do squat, gets fired. Now he's at North Carolina doing North Carolina things. Josh: Goes to a basketball school and wins a football game on the national stage, so there's that. Paul: Was that a win? Is that what you call it? Is that what you call it? I th it was two teams that were trying to lose, is what it looked like to me. Josh: Yeah. Well, you'll have that in the early weeks of any football, college especially. We're still talking about nineteen year olds here. Paul: Well, I think what upsets me is that TCU quarterback everybody was talking about, he's Harvard transfer, super athlete. He's unbelievable. And he goes out there and just lays an egg. Dude looked terrible. Josh: Lost me at Harvard. Paul: But it you know what it reminded me of? So I was not a great athlete growing up, but I did hit puberty earlier than everybody else. So I was this size when I was like thirteen. And so it was a lot of fun to play football back then. And our seventh grade team, it was it was like the first age where you got to be it was like a the junior high team. And so it was like the first age where you were gonna play all the other neighboring cities. throughout the year because you're on the junior high team now. And we we we're we're practicing all summer. It's hot. It's Alabama. It's 104 degrees outside. The practice field is full of briars. So it's every practice is horrible. And you're just gutting it out and you're gutting out. And as a starting defense, we were dominating our starting offense when we went one on one on ones, ones versus ones. And we were so excited right we have the best defense in the world. Nobody's gonna stop us. We went in that first game against Vestavia Hills. We lost 48 to nothing. Turn out we had the worst offense ever. And it made our defense really confident, overconfident. and we got our teeth kicked in. And that's what I think about TCU. I think we went through the the summer watching this Harvard kid light it up out there. And it turns out their defense just ain't that good. And they're going to get exposed. And I I feel really badly for that team. I think they're going to have a really rough year. speaking of whether teams are going to win or lose. We've talked about it a couple of times on here, but this is the last shout out you're going to get on air when it comes to joining. We have the college football pick contest. The Slump Monkeys College Football Pick'em presented by Vince Hagen. Boys, give it up for Vince Hagen. They have come in, they are sponsoring the pick'em golf clap. These folks have been such a pleasure to work with so far. They're so excited and they're gonna support the podcast in a bunch of ways. Really, really excited for what's coming in the future. And the first thing they've signed up for. It's the college football pick'em. They're putting up the grand prize and they're gonna help us build the trophy. Grand prize, five hundred dollars to the winner, courtesy of Vince Hagen. So if you're listening to this right now and you have not joined, we've got nearly 30 people in the group right now. Your odds are one in thirty, and one of those is my 11-year-old. So she's not allowed to win. So you got like one in 29 right now that there's 500 bucks. Get in there, join. the community. We're not just a concrete community. We are a college football community. With that said, your picks are going to have to go in as well. You have to join, you have to get your picks in ahead of Friday night. All the games are on Saturday in the pick we don't choose them. The ESPN system chooses them. So you're going to need to go to ESPN College Football Pick'em, find the Slump Monkeys group, jump in. I've made my picks. the guys here have made their picks. And the question is what pick are you most excited about, Joey? When you look down the run when you look at the rundown of what the picks are, they're against the spread. Which one are you looking at? You're saying, This is my favorite. This is the lock of the week. Joey Bell: My favorite is the Wisconsin Notre Dame game. And the reason why it's my favorite is it's being played at Lambeau. So it's not at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is listed as the home team, but it's at Lambeau. And I can't help but think that this is gonna be more of a Wisconsin home game. And Notre Dame is favored by twenty and a half points. on a quote unquote neutral site. and so I got Wisconsin to at least cover for this one because like I said, I think they have somewhat more of a home field advantage than the spread is is giving I know they they were like five and eight last year, but seven of their games were against ranked opponents. so I'm gonna give a little bit of grace and I'm gonna think I'm gonna say Wisconsin covers this one. Paul: Don't hate it. You know why I don't hate it? Because I've been hating on Notre Dame all summer. But I did Josh: Yeah. Joey Bell: Yeah. Paul: I did pick Notre Dame to lay the points, and I'll tell you why. Luke Fickle, coach at Wisconsin, has got that program on a nice trajectory. He took it over and actually went the wrong way when he took it over. Made a couple bad hires, has a really bad luck with QB health. And now he's got a pretty good quarterback. Seems like Kid's healthy. Let's hope he lasts the whole season for Luke Fickle's sake. the problem is they don't have like explosive weapons on the outside. And whoever their best target is, Notre Dame's gonna put their best corner on it, and that kid has a chance to be like the number one overall pick. Now that's probably not gonna happen in the draft because everybody takes quarterbacks number one. But as much as I hate Notre Dame, the very best corner in the whole country plays for Notre Dame. So I think that he pretty much takes out that guy's best weapon. but your lips to God's ears. I would rather be wrong in that pick and Notre Dame lose. I that's how I feel. So love love the pick. Josh, when you look down that rundown, who you got, man? Number one or what's your number one favorite game, your lock of the week. Josh: Well, if if there was ever a team that was more overrated preseason, it'd be Notre Dame with Texas as a close second. And I am taking the Texas State Bobcats to cover a million points. However, Paul: Yeah. Josh: that I am. Actually, that's not my pick. That's a teaser now. That's a teaser now. Paul: my that's the appetizer. Josh: So my appetizer is Texas State Bobcats covering 30 and a half. Because Lord have mercy. Texas doesn't know how to play football until week four. And Texas State Bobcats have some offensive firepower to where they can keep up enough. But my pick is Tulsa getting a Eleven and a half at Oklahoma State. I think Tulsa can win outright. I really can. I think OSU's down. They're in a rebuilding period. home game for the Hurricanes. I think they will keep it between one to two scores and likely cover eleven and a half. But like I said, I mean, if I was betting your money, I'd bet to win outright. Paul: Wow. The the best part of this, I'm on the opposite side of both of these trades. And there's only one reason why at Oklahoma State. Because originally I was on the Tulsa side, but I waited until this week to make my picks. And part of that was injury history. But I think one thing might have been like a negative. I might have got like overhyped and over excited about some of these people. The quarterback at Oklahoma State, Musta Maker, he looks to be the truth. He could have gone just about anywhere. And he ended up going to Oklahoma State for whatever reason. And if he is the real deal and Tulsa lost guys in the portal, lost guys of the draft, do they come out swinging or does Oklahoma State take him down? I think I think that's gonna be a really tough game. But love love your pick. I also love that none of us picked the same game. my lock of the week is actually Houston. Number twenty three, Houston. They're laying eighteen and a half. Now all these lines have shifted, by the way. So these lines are active, they are moving. And so we're giving you numbers today. although if you've already picked, you may have a different spread locked in. Like, for example, when we first started to pick them, LSU was at minus 10, they're now at minus 10 and a half. So these lines are are active, they are moving. today, time we're recording, number twenty three Houston's laying eighteen and a half to Oregon State. So why are we picking that? I love picking against West Coast teams that have to come east. I love it. It's going to be an early game. Oregon State's gonna, their bodies are gonna think it's 9 a.m., 10 a.m. Love it. That that's thing number one. number two, do you guys know who Houston's quarterback is? Houston's quarterback is Connor Wigman, quarter five star from Texas AM, who transferred to Houston and has a second year in that system. It's not his first year there either. It's his second year in the system. The guy looks Fantastic. Now he looked fantastic in the summer at Texas AM too. We saw how that worked out. But he looks fantastic. If he's not fantastic, the guy behind him, Kay Chon Henderson, was like the number two rated quarterback in the country last year behind Faison Brandon, who went to Tennessee. And Houston got him because they gave him like two million bucks or whatever to come. But they've also spent money at wide receiver. Their number one ride receiver was like a top ten player in the state of Louisiana. And decided to go to Houston, and he's a freak of nature. So they got weapons on the outside, they have quarterback talent for days. I'd put that one two punch against a lot of one two punches across the country. I just think I think Houston gets it done. I think Orange State Oregon State just doesn't have the horses to keep up. I'm looking for big, big numbers out of Houston. I I did want to ask Josh, how do you feel about Indiana? Laying forty and a half. That's a lot of points. And on the pick'em, sixty one percent of folks are on are on North Texas saying, Give me the points. I don't think Indiana can cover that. North Texas had a heck of a year last year. Where are you at on that game? Josh: I took Indiana. Paul: Yeah, I did too. I think Signetti's gonna make a statement. He's like, We're gonna win by a hundred. Josh: Well and Signety's the guy where he's gonna win every he's like the old school Jimmy Johnson from the Canes, you know what I Like if they're gonna hang seventy on a team, they're gonna go ahead and do it with a smile on their face and you know, forty and a half's a lot of points, but if North Texas can't find the end zone, it's easier to cover that and I mean, you're looking at a team that's good on both sides of the ball, especially, you know, a defense I don't think they get enough credit for. So I I think they can cover forty and a half. Joey Bell: I took North Texas on that one. Paul: Yeah, I don't Josh: Boy. Paul: you've got North Texas. Okay, it's run opposite Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: sides. I've got Indiana as well. because I think Sick Signetti's the type of guy that's like I'm gonna run you the ground like Josh said. But he's a Sabin, he's a Sabin disciple. And you know, Saban, if if Bama was ever favored by forty, fifty points, I would tell anybody, bet the other side. Because Nick was typically scheduling these underdogs because he knew someone there. Like the coach was like, Hey, we could you really use a million bucks. Do you want to come beat us by a hundred? And and so that's how so it was a relationship game when it came to these small schools that were gonna get their brains beat in. And and Nick didn't want to embarrass his friends. So he would purposely he would he would let the starters play the first half, and then the starters could play the first series of the third quarter, and then it all the backups went in. And so the the games never really got Two out of hand, you'd see 48 to 14, but you'd realize all 48 points got scored in the first half. So it was this weird thing. I don't think Signetti's that guy. I think he's the let me let me dominate you and drown you in the bathtub. So the way Nick Saban seemed to do really well with all these hires, you know, Signeti was on the saving staff, Oregon's head coach was on the saving staff. Kirby Smart Georgia on the Sabin staff. Mario Cristobal coach at Miami on the Sabin staff. By the way, they were all on the staff at the same time. Texas' head coach on the staff, LSU's head coach on Sabin staff. This was all in the same like two or three year period. And if you're looking to hire for your business the way Nick Saban is hiring at Alabama, then it's time I let you know about our newest sponsor. We welcome them here in the month of September. It's concrete. Careers and go to concretecareers.com, learn all about them. Now, what'll they say? 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No matter your hiring needs, concrete careers is here to support you in finding great talent, whether you're the person looking for the job or you're the company that's looking to hire the greatest headhunters in all of concrete. Concrete careers is there for you. Boys, I you know what I Josh: That's the hold on, hold on, hold on. That was the best segue to an ad read I've ever heard. That's it, we're done here. Bye guys. That was that was the next level, brother. Paul: Well, thank you, Josh, for for the kind words on the ad on the ad segue there. it makes it easy when we're talking about my favorite things, and that is college football and awesome companies. you know, I I had I took my daughter to her first Philadelphia Phillies game the other day. So she's she's 10, about to turn eleven. she's really getting into sports the last couple of years. We're Braves fans in this house, so I don't give the Phillies organization any of my money if I can help it. And in fact, like the the pinkish, reddish of the Phillies everything just makes me sick to my stomach. The whole thing. I d I just don't I don't like it. Josh: Yeah. Paul: But you know, we live here and so she she likes the Braves, but you know, she's gonna like the Phillies 'cause everybody likes the Phillies. So we got some free tickets. the business school at Villanova had some tickets available and they they threw them our way and said, All right, well, I'm not giving my money to the Phillies. Villanova did, so I might as well take my daughter on this experience. And we're sitting there in the upper deck behind home plate, and the Phillies were losing four to nothing pretty much the whole game against the St. Louis Cardinals. And half the stadium files out, maybe two thirds of the stadium files out because you're down four to nothing. The win probability w was one percent or less. For the Phillies to come back as we entered the bottom of the ninth. But they did just that. I told her, I said, Honey, you don't leave. You never know. Not only did they come back, it was four to three. Kyle Schwarber leading the league in home runs, gets to the plate with two men on, cranks one four hundred and fifty feet, dead center, straightaway center. The place goes bananas. I think we're 40,000, it was a sold-out game or 40,000 people. There were probably 17,000 left. And it went insane inside that place. It was so exciting. That ninth, that bottom of that ninth inning to come back and win six to four was so exciting that if I wasn't paying enough attention, I would have just became a Phillies fan. It was it was that much fun and that exciting. It made you happy that they won, it made you rooting for the team. And I was like, if if I was ever gonna try to convert somebody to be a Phillies fan, this was probably about as good of a regular season game as you could take them to. It was eighty-one degrees, sunny, we were in the shade, we had a nice breeze because we were a hundred feet in the air in the upper deck. Like that that was an amazing moment to be a part of. And I thought if I had to take someone To a regular season game and make them a Bama fan, where would I take them? And I wondered about that for all of our teams. If you had somebody who was either agnostic about who they were supporting, or maybe they're coming over from Europe and they're soccer fans and they're like, Man, I need to, you know, maybe I'll get into college football. Who should I be a fan of? And you guys have the opportunity to take this person and convert them. What game would you take them to Joey Bell, if you wanted someone to suffer a mental health crisis like you have with the vols all these years, how would you approach that fan and what game are you taking them to? What things are you doing in Knoxville? Joey Bell: So looked at the schedule and I think more people than not would probably select the third Saturday in October, the Alabama game, that's in Knoxville this year. But if it was someone's like first let's just say it's their first college football game, I don't know that I'd wanna take them to a rivalry game like that. I think I'd wanna take to it not like a not like the Kennesaw State game or whoever, you know, other couple teams that we play first of the year. But I I think I'd like to take to the Texas game. Texas comes to Knoxville, on September twenty sixth and it's the first time we've ever played in the regular season. I think the only time we've played Texas is like in the Cotton Bowl or something like that in year in like decades ago. And so I think, you know, the U T quote unquote rivalry or whatever, so it's like a it's kinda like I don't think you could really call it an official rivalry game or anything like that, but it's like I don't know, Texas and Tennessee got quite a bit in common. and so I think I'd take I'd take to that. It's a big enough game. They're they do plan to checker Nealan that day. it's a noon Eastern kickoff, which I mean, I would rather have a night game at Nealon, but I mean it is what it is. and so we could tailgate that that morning, go to the game and then it wouldn't be so late. When the game was over, you could go, you know, down to Knoxville, downtown and hang out or do whatever. But that'd be my pick, Texas game. Paul: That's Andrew. I thought you were gonna go Bama. the average ticket price to get into the Bama game today, as of this recording, $373 per ticket is the get in price. That's crazy. Joey Bell: Yep. It's good that it's good that that's a b a big deal again, it was it was like well lopsided for so so long. Paul: you guys have so many great home games this year. So if you're a season Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: ticket holder right now for the Vols, you got LSU coming to town, Texas Joey Bell: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Paul: coming to town, Bama coming to K town. I think do you have LSU coming? I think you have another one too, like another huge game coming to Knoxville. You guys have a horrible schedule. It's a very difficult Joey Bell: Yet's tough. Paul: schedule, but all the hard teams are coming to you. Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. We pla yeah, I'd have to look up I'd have to look up the schedule again. We I know we play Texas A and at A and we have at South Carolina. LSU's coming to town, like you said. I don't know if Kentucky I don't know if Kentucky's coming or not. Paul: Yeah, but Tex Texas AM, that's that's a team like Notre Dame. Like no matter how good everybody thinks they are, I just can't I just can't Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: I just can't buy it. I'd maybe that's bias. Maybe that's Johnny Manzel bias. On my part. I just gonna I'm gonna hate them forever. Josh: Yeah. Paul: What do you what do you think about that, Josh, with his Tennessee pick? You you think he should have gone Bama or do you like that Texas play? Josh: Man, I I like it. That was a that was a good good thoughtful answer. And you can't go wrong at Neiland. I mean, you can watch Kennesaw State or whatever it is. As long as you find a way to get the person you're trying to convince to be a Balls fan into the the Vol Navy some way, somehow. If they can experience if they can experience kneeling from a pontoon boat, I I think hook the hook line sinker they're gonna be wearing orange the rest of their life. Joey Bell: I also thought about the manning aspect. You know, Peyton's gonna be there, because Arch is gonna be there. so I don't know. I thought there's Josh: There you go. Yeah. Joey Bell: just a lot going on at that game. It's gonna be our first SEC game, for the season. I don't know. I just thought that'd be that'd be the ideal one for this season. And it's early enough, you know, we've we got two, you know, I think they're FC S teams and then we play Georgia Georgia Tech. And so We're still optimistic, you know. It's still September, so everything's still optimistic in Knoxville. and so that was another reason. Like we're go we'll more than likely, if I had to guess, we'd be rolling in there with our heads held high still. Paul: Funny enough, for the Bama conversion, I had the exact same thought process. Like I was choosing between do we take them to when Georgia comes to town on October 10th, or do you bring them in for the Iron Bowl right after Thanksgiving? And I went to Georgia on October 10th. It's a week before the Tennessee game. And it was the exact same reason because we're gonna have hope. The whole season's still gonna be in Josh: Okay. Paul: front of us. We should be four and Georgia comes to town. But if we lose to Georgia, lose to Tennessee, lose to LSU, and we're limping into the Auburn game with three losses on our record, and we're having the conversation of do we want Auburn to win so we can fire De Boer? Or do we want to be beat Auburn by a hundred? Josh: Yeah. Paul: So maybe we can go to the go to the playoffs or something. You know, if we it I don't want that to be the conversation around someone's first game. I want it to be full of hope, optimism, night game, Bryant Denny under the lights. And and I think that's the play. I think you get into town early though. And then you get in town early, 'cause October, so it boy it's gonna be hit or miss in Alabama in October of whether it's freezing cold or blazing hot. It doesn't really know what it wants to do. And either way, Dreamland barbecue is gonna be rocking and rolling. Now, if you're a if you're a Tuscaloosa guy and you're rolling your eyes when you hear Dreamland 'cause you think it's a tourist attraction and you gotta go to Archibald's, you gotta do what dude, it doesn't matter. I'm taking someone to their first ever game. We're gonna make them stand in line at Dreamland. You're gonna see that the soot on the walls of that place is like three inches thick because they've been smoking ribs for a hundred years there in Tuscalo. So you're not gonna believe that it's so small. So everybody just has to like take it to go on like one of those little plastic trays or whatever. And you're gonna enjoy it because it's brisket. It doesn't matter if they're the number two or three brisket place. It's about the experience for the first timer. We're gonna go. See the Nick Staben statue that Joey Bell flipped off back in the day. I'm still not for I still haven't forgiven him for that. we're gonna go to Denny Chimes, we're gonna do the walk of champions, we're gonna get you fired up, and then we're gonna get into that game, and whatever happens, happens. But at the end of the day, I think you'll leave there being a tied fan. And now we're gonna kick it over to Josh. And Josh, you can't get a time machine and go back to the Derrick McFadden days. So how are you gonna make her on Arkansas? Yeah. Josh: Don't know. Paul: Ha ha. Joey Bell: Ha ha. Abstain. Josh: The best the best I could do is try to convince you that like look here if you if you devote a small portion of yourself to becoming knowledgeable about the Arkansas Razorbacks, you could become a millionaire. Because no football program in the history of history has ever been better than the Hogs at covering the spread and still losing the football game. And And buddy, you know when Georgia comes to town we're gonna be thirty point dogs and we're gonna lose by twenty-eight. Paul: That's incredible. Joey Bell: beat us last was it Josh: also Joey Bell: last year? Y'all about beat us? At Josh: And probably every year, man. We almost beat a lot of people. Paul: Yeah. I think you I think you literally won two games last year, but you didn't lose any game like by like more than ten points or something. That's something crazy. Josh: yeah, I I think it was either five or six games we lost by a single score. Joey Bell: Arkansas was the best two win team in the country. Josh: Yeah, it's it's tough. It's tough sledding, man. And you know, we couldn't even hire our old co old old coach back to to recapture some of that magic it it's done gone. And when the people who ran that program to such prominence are even retired from their NFL careers, you know it's it's been a minute. So you know. And on top of that Where to take them to make them Razorback fans, Arkansas cut me off the knees because there used to be one game. Arkansas plays in Fayetteville, which is a beautiful, beautiful area of the country. But they used to play one game a year in Little Rock, Arkansas, at War Memorial Stadium. And War Memorial is like walking into a time machine. It's like going to Wrigley or Fenway Park, and you know how you got old money and new money? Well, you got new concrete and old. concrete and this building was an old concrete building. It was a multi-purpose stadium and the the greatest attraction for me there was one I know Little Rock very well which is one thing but you got to tailgate on a golf course. There was a there's a golf course you know right there next to War Memorial and they'd open it up to tailgating. So we would tailgate on the ninth fairway every single year and it was it was awesome man. Paul: That's killer. So you had the golf course tailgate for Arkansas and the Vall Navy for Joey Bell. Bama doesn't have anything cool like that. We go out there in the what they call the quad and look at a giant bell tower and Josh: Stop, stop it, stop it. You do this all the time. All the Bama fans do this all the time. Yeah, we're nothing special. No, but yeah, we'll we'll we'll take you through the walk of champions. First of all, if you have a walk of champions, your program ain't that bad. Paul: I don't I don't think you know. I don't maybe it's because I I send you stuff sometimes, but my timeline gets filled up with Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, like highlights. It's it's kind of nauseating how often it comes around. And they're so like I because I think I appreciate those plays, like individual highlights more now. Like at the time, like I it was obvious how good McFadden was. It wasn't obvious to me. People there might be people listening to this who don't know Peyton Hillis who was that dude was on the cover of Madden. When he was with a running back or running back with the Browns back in the day. And he was Josh: The Browns. Paul: third string behind McFadden and Felix Jones. But when you see the highlights now, and like I can take it in with modern context with how many good running backs I've seen. Holy crap, dude. He was so good. McFadden was so big, strong, fast. And then it was thunder and lightning and Peyton Hill. Dude, Josh: That's where the Wildcat offense was born. We called it the Wild Hog of course, but then that offensive coordinator went to the NFL for the Dolphins I think, but the whole concept behind the Wildcat offense and using that personnel group, originated at Arkansas because, you know, when you have all those weapons you gotta find a way to use Paul: I didn't know that. Joey, I'm glad you did not pick like a Kennesaw State game for Tennessee, and I'll tell you why. the first Tennessee football game I ever went to at Nealand Stadium was against UT Chattanooga. And it was a hundred million degrees outside. yeah, you're up in the general admission area, so it's got the metal bleachers, so it's twice as hot as it should be up there. They won fifty two to nothing. And had like fifty seven first downs. And if you don't know this about Neil and Stadium, every time they get a first down, they play Rocky Top as loud as the band can possibly play it. And that was cute once. But like fifty times. I'm so every first down, every score, it's just Rocky Top. I I so I it just made me hate the balls more. You know. And I wouldn't want Josh: That Paul: that for your first time guest. It's gonna be like this song's not that good. Why are they playing it this much? Joey Bell: And every time they score too, the male cheerleaders like do however many push ups that you know the score is updated. So I can't imagine like by the end of a game like that, like how many push ups those dudes have done all game long. Especially like when Hypel wants to hang seventy on somebody or whatever just because he can. Like those guys gotta be jacked. Paul: I mean, maybe. They're definitely strong, whatever they're doing. But yeah, could you imagine it's forty nine to nothing? And it's the fourth quarter with like two minutes left and they're like, Well, let's kick a field goal. Those middle cheerleaders are probably Josh: Exactly. Paul: dead. that's great. guys, that was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun talking through that. fun little exercise, trying to people on our side, you know, our organizations have kind of gone and few different directions over the last decade. 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Celebrate fifty years in business Moving on to our final segment before we get to our wonderful interview. The interview today is actually quite fascinating. we are bringing in a human performance professional. That was not what the interview was supposed to be about. It was supposed to be about AI taking all the jobs or not, and having a a very in-depth discussion about that. And it pivoted in the first 10 seconds. So you never even heard the word AI. into this person whose main job as a consultant is human performance. So imagine that you have a troublesome employee and you keep sending them to HR to get their hands slapped. Well what if instead of sending them to HR to get their hands slapped, you sent them to Jennifer and she turned them into an awesome employee, changes their attitudes, gets them to work on time. And they do a good job. You go from slapping hands to bolstering how good they are at their job and adds value to your company. And that's what she does. And that's crazy. How does that work? Are you hypnotizing people? Are you tricking them? Is this all a bunch of woo-woo? Nob none of this makes sense. Listen to the interview and find out. Before we get there, we have this final segment. This was actually The genesis of us all getting together because Joey has one of the most phenomenal ideas I've ever heard. I'm gonna set the stage for him so he can take off and run with it. And if I get anything wrong, Joey can always correct me. we have kind of an issue in college football. And it's it's fun to talk about this thing, but it can kind of cause some consternation as the season goes along, and that is the preseason poll. We have an A P poll and we have a coaches poll. They come out and they say what they think the teams are ranked. But at the end of the year, forty eight percent of the people who started the year ranked end the year not ranked. And if that's the case, is it also the case that since a team would have beaten them early in the year, is that winning team getting credit for beating a quote unquote ranked team? When in fact they were garbage. And maybe at the end of the year, the playoff committee's looking at what they're calling strength of record. They've tried to make a a little bit of amends for this type of issue. But at the end of the day, in your mind, you're still thinking LSU beat a top ten Clemson team. When in fact both teams are hot garbage. So is there a way to keep the preseason polls so we have something fun to talk about? But it's not taking away from the standings in college football. And our own Joey Bell has come up with a phenomenal idea for that. Joey, tell us how you're gonna fix college football. Joey Bell: So yeah, one day it I guess it was right after last football season. And, you know, it seems like every time playoff season, bowl season rolls around and the committee gets together and decides decides who is gonna be in the playoff. And I was like, Well, this is dumb. Like there has to be a way to mathematically rank these teams, like somehow or another. Like every other sport has some way of ranking their teams. It's not they're not just voted upon into a playoff. And so I was I had had sat down and I was like, okay, well, let's just, you know, of course you would get some amount of points for a win, but you could also get like bonus points, depending on where your opponent was currently ranked. And so and I'll I'll just run through all the points right quick. And the cool thing about it, I think, is that Just like I said, you know, the the rankings change every week. You know, we're still Paul: Mm-hmm. Joey Bell: kinda leaning on the the AP pole. And so your ranking has a little bit of weight, but it can still change throughout the year. If you play the number one team on in week one and they drop out of the rankings by, you know, championship week in in December, you know, your points received for that game change. And so I'll just run through them and This may need a little bit of updating because I've got like the P four, you know, the Power Four conferences and G five, but is it like a G six now? Did they throw Pac twelve in there now? Okay. Paul: It's it's the G six. It's the G six now. I don't know who the six I don't know who the six is, but you know why we don't know? Because we don't follow crummy teams, Julie. We only follow the powerful teams. So but your ranking system is fantastic. This is really great. I'm so so excited for the whole audience to hear how you're gonna make it so that we're being fair to people that when just 'cause you beat the number one team the first week, if that team stinks at the end of the season, you don't get credit for beating the number one team. Joey Bell: Right. So I'll go through and so f if you beat a power four opponent, that's any team in one of the power four conferences, you get ten points. If you play a G six, a G six team that is currently ranked, like who was it? Excuse me, who was it? Tulane last year? The or JMU Paul: JMU two lane. Joey Bell: that was ranked, if you If you play one of those type of folks, if you play a G six team that is currently ranked in in the A P poll, that's also ten points. If you play against a G six team and you that's unranked and you win, you only get five points. So that kinda like gives a little bit more weight to, you know, the power four wins. Paul: Well, it's great too because you you keep having this discussion about should the SEC have gone to a nine game conference schedule. Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: Well, if you win that game, it's worth double the points than if you'd have played McMuffin State. Joey Bell: Right, right. The other thing I put in here s is no points are a war are awarded for an FCS win. So if you play against I think like we play Furman, I think as our opening as our op opening game. If we beat the brakes off of Furman, we don't get any points for it. It's an FCS school. So I do in my system I do not award any points for an FCS win. What I do, however I reward a bonus point to the road team. However, it doesn't apply to neutral site games. So like when we were talking about, you know, the Wisconsin and Notre Dame game that's at Lambeau, it's technically it's a you know neutral site game. However, you know, we we th or I think that Wisconsin is probably gonna have somewhat of a home field advantage, but regardless, that's a neutral site game. So the road team is not gonna get that bonus point. Now The road team will get a bonus point regardless if they win or lose. So if, you know, if Tennessee rolls into Alabama and we lose, we still get that bonus point. Like they that may be the only point that we get for that game that up that would apply to the rankings here. And I also kind of scaled the bonus points in regards to the the AP rankings. And what I mean by that is if you're if your opponent is ranked in the in the top twenty five, like twenty-one through twenty-five, somewhere in there, you get a bonus point. And this is regardless if you win or lose again, just like a road team. If you're the 20 through 16, you get two bonus points. 15, you get three bonus points. Top 10, four bonus points, top five, five bonus points. And so again, those points can change throughout the year, just like I said, you know, if you If you play the number one team in the country week two or three early in the season, whatever, if you beat them, if it's a you know, a P four school, you get ten points for that win. You could be a road team, you get eleven points because you get a bonus point for being a road team. And you get five bonus points for being for your opponent being in the top five at the time. Paul: And so this encourages people to schedule home and homes and it Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: encourages you to play the best teams out there so you can get or what you think are gonna be the best teams out there, so you get you max maximize your points. Joey Bell: Right. So at the time of that game, you know, when do they release the A P polls? Like the Sun that Sunday or the Tuesday Sunday or Tuesday. I forget. Paul: it's af yeah, it's afterwards. So whenever they release it, you're these rankings would also update at the same Joey Bell: Yeah. Paul: time. Joey Bell: So if you play, you know, a top five opponent on the road early in the season, that's potentially sixteen points. However, if that by the end of the season, if that opponent drops out of the rankings entirely, those five points are erased. And so what was once worth sixteen points is now worth eleven points. and this will apply in in my my little system here. This applies all the way up to right after championship weekend. So this gives those conference championship games a little bit more weight. Like you will get rewarded points for, you know, playing an extra game, so to speak. now the points my point system doesn't really change. You're basically just getting credit for the extra game. So you know, even though it's gonna be on a neutral site game, I still We still don't reward a quote unquote road team, but you will get points for, you know, a power four conference win, and you will also get points if your opponent is ranked in the top twenty five somewhere. So that I think that's really kind of what separates like some of these teams, like the guys that get into the conference championships versus the guys that that aren't. it just gives them I don't know. I liked ha I liked that the conference championships have a little bit more there's a little bit more meat to now in this system. Like right now I could give I honestly couldn't care less about the SEC championship. You know, we don't have divisions anymore. So and there's the potential that, you know, two teams could play each other potentially three times. Like if you play each other in regular season, if you meet again in the SEC championship, and then you could potentially meet in the playoffs, you know, if the if the cards fall just right. So this way it gives a little just gives a little bit more weight to the conference championships. Like, you know, I think what was it last year Indiana played Ohio State in the Big Ten championship. Like Indiana got 15 points in my system, you know, for that. And Ohio State, what they get? They got five points, you know, because Indiana was ranked in the top five. So yeah, that's that's my system. And The I was gonna run through like what the top 10 was or where the top 12 was according to my point system from last year. I just I went through several, several teams, let my ADHD run wild, and I added up the points for all these games. So my top 12 after championship weekend last year, won Indiana, then Georgia, Ohio State, Texas Tech, BYU, Oregon, Texas. Notre Dame. Notre Dame gets a lot of hate, but they got, you know, a lot of ten point games in in this system here. Then you got Ole Miss, Alabama, Utah, and Texas AM. And I think, if I remember correctly, that's probably not too different from the rankings last year, or at least the teams in there, right? Paul: Did you have anybody from the ACC? Did you say Miami? Joey Bell: No, Miami missed it. Paul: I don't think you had a sing I don't think you had any A C C teams in there and so Miami Joey Bell: I probably well, I take it back. I probably didn't do Miami because I don't have them I didn't do the championship game. So they probably would have been in there. Paul: Yeah, th they made it to the title game. Joey Bell: Right. Paul: so that's I was wondering where they would have been seated. But yeah, that that's I I love I love the system. I think it's I think it's great. I think everyone should adopt it. we're gonna start a campaign right now. Joey Bell: If I if I remember, I may start me a new spreadsheet and I'll probably get some help from Chat GPT or somebody to calculate all these, you know, scores or whatever, each week so I can try to keep it updated and just see what it says. Instead of doing this at the end of the season and trying to do thousands of games and try to rank all these people. But I th I'm gonna try Paul: Yeah. Joey Bell: to do it every week. Paul: Yeah, explain your you just have to explain it in depth to chat and Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: tell him to build you a program so you can build you an app. I'll get you app and Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: just hit refresh and I'll refresh all the games and do your little scoring improvement. Josh, what do you think, man? Is this the new way forward for college football? Josh: It's gotta be. It's gotta be. After last year's debacle around the playoffs and scheduling all these cupcake games at the beginning of the year and it's everyone can argue A P polls and rankings and stuff like that because it's arbitrary, but when you put it down to a tangible number in a mathematical system, you know, number numbers don't lie. So, you know, you're still gonna have an element of a ranking system through the A P or whatever, but giving teams credit for going on the road, love that. not giving credit for neutral site games, not giving credit for FCS schools, love that. And actually making the conference championship games mean something so it's not just a pure money grab from the NCAA standpoint. I love all that. Joey Bell: I just I just looked it up because I was trying to remember, you know, did Miami win the ACC last year? And I heard the other day Miami has never won the ACC. I thought that was interesting. So I looked up, you know, just real quick who played last year in the ACC championship game because I could have swore that Miami would have made it. You know, they made it to the college football, you know, championship. But it turns out they didn't even get to the ACC title game. It was Duke and Virginia. Paul: Yep. And and they left Josh: Which is laughable. Joey Bell: And Duke won it in overtime. Paul: yep. And they left Duke out of the college football playoff because they were like, well, Miami's really the better team for real, so we're just gonna put them in. Which is Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Paul: which I mean if any if that's ever an indictment on the playoffs not being a or I'm sorry, not the one the playoffs 'cause they they were right Miami was a better team, but an indictment against the conference championship games Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: and how much value they've lost. They it would not have mattered who it didn't matter who won the ACC championship, wouldn't have mattered who won the Big Ten, would not have mattered who won the SEC. It did matter who won the Big Twelve last year because they got Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: an automatic play in and so Texas Tech won it and they got the automatic bid in the playoffs. But other than that, none none of the other P four championships even mattered. Joey Bell: Right. Yeah, I mean there's of this is of course not any kind of final draft or anything. Like I said, you know, we I haven't done all the teams. I think I did a lot of the SEC teams and a lot of the top twenty five, that were ranked at the end of the year last year. so yeah. But even then, you know, Miami let's see, that's twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. Miami is fifteenth. in my rankings because they didn't make it to a championship game. Paul: Wow. Well, okay, hold on. If you if you do or if you are able to like go to chat and get him to build you an app around this thing, and if if it does that, it'll just be like a web hosted app and you can just go in every week and hit refresh and it'll calculate the new scores. You gotta you know, you got you gotta give it a name, maybe it's the bell pole. And you gotta give me the updates every week and my read Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Yep. Paul: read out on here 'cause I think this this is probably the true way we should be ranking teams. Joey Bell: Yeah, I can't I can't stand that it's a survey of who gets into the college football playoff. Paul: It's it's a certain well in the AP it's just basically your opinion. So if you're a college football Joey Bell: Yeah. Paul: writer who doesn't like a n a team, you can just put them in at twentieth just because you feel like it. And the coaches poll, the coaches don't even watch the games. They don't have Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: time to watch the games. They're running a program. And so they might not even fill it out. They hand it to a staffer and it's just like, Yeah, write something down. Joey Bell: How many how many folks get get an A P vote? Isn't there like a hundred and something, like two hundred people or something, like a lot of media folks? Isn't there like a whole l list of people that get a A P vote? Paul: I thought it was like I thought it was like a thous I thought it was like a thousand. Joey Bell: Maybe. I mean I d I have no idea. But what I liked about it was it's so many people that I mean, you just said like, yeah, you could be a writer and put whoever team in the basement that you hate. I mean, there not everybody's gonna do that. So I like the A P I like going off the A P poll, for this point system, you know, simply because there's so many voters. Paul: Well, and at least they're actually well theoretically, they're actually watching the games. There's an AP voter AP voter, like I think it was last year, and she admitted she wasn't Joey Bell: yeah. Paul: watching them at all, which is hilarious. by the way, I was like, there's thousands. Josh: Six sixty two. Paul: Yeah, it's in the sixties. I said thousands. It's in the sixties. So w w Samsonite. So close. Josh: That's way off. Paul: Well, that concludes Our season preview here on the Slump Monkeys Concrete Podcast. Thank you for sticking with us. This is still technically a concrete podcast. Thank you to all of our sponsors for letting us do the thing we love. If you are interested in being a sponsor of the show, you may email me directly. Admin at slumpmonkeys.com. That's O N K-E-Y-S. Admin at slump monkeys.com to inquire about sponsorship packages. We've got two new ones here in September. We're so thankful they have joined us, Vince Hagen, and concrete careers new to us this month. Fellas, we did it. We've got the college football season primer started. We got a new ranking system. We've got their locks of the week out there for the people. How would you get people into your fandom If anybody else has any stories, you can private message me those. I'd love to hear And don't and I already know our boy Chris is listening to this and he's gonna think, I'll take to a Tex A Midnight Yell. And they'll definitely won't. No, they won't. No, they won't. No, they won't. And then I can hear I can hear the Notre Dame fans right now. I'll go show touchdown Jesus. No, that's not gonna do it either. I'm sorry. USC fans, I think I'll let them see a flaming horse or some crap. No. Josh: Yeah. Paul: There's no did you see the USC Trojans game this past weekend? There are ten people in the stands. Ten people. Nobody Joey Bell: Mm mm. Wow. Paul: cares. Nobody cares. I just I if you if you told me you're a Gators fan, we're gonna take them to like a big time game and they're gonna you could feel the energy in the swamp. Yeah, okay, cool. Like I I would get that. These other people? Nobody wants to watch a Texas longhorn steer run under the field or an Oklahoma wagon. I the only time anybody wanted to see that was when it flipped over. Josh: When it tipped over. Joey Bell: Ha ha. Paul: So yeah, the all all those fan bases need to s sit down. But if you've got your ideas Josh: So hold hold on a second, I gotta give I gotta give a shout out there. The number one best intro to a football game ever is for G Tech and her Sandman. Buddy, that gives Paul: Yeah. Josh: me the goose every time I see the clips on on social media. Paul: Well, if if we're giving other people their flowers, Williams Bright Stadium, that would be the game cocks of South Carolina, when they hit Sandstorm to start the game. Joey Bell: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Josh: Yeah. Paul: All right. I mean, that was actually my favorite moment ever on CBS. This is when you had back when you had what's name, Gary and what was the other guy? Joey Bell: Uncle Verne. Paul: Uncle Vern, thank you. those dudes were pros. I mean, Vern was losing his mind at the end, but those two th those dudes were pros. And it was like South Carolina, Bama was coming to town. We were top t top number one team or whatever. They were ranked in like the twenties. And the stadium was so loud and so insane to start the game during Sandstorm that they on live TV, they didn't say a word for ninety seven seconds. They just let the camera pan the crowd, the absolute pandemonium. As you thought that stadium might fall down from those people jumping and shaking. It was so loud you could feel the energy through the TV. And that they had enough sense to just be quiet. You know how hard that is to just be quiet for 97 seconds. It was it was magic. But I'm still not a Game Cox fan. But if I'd have been there that day, they might have got me. They might have got me. That's that's Josh: Yeah. Joey Bell: Mm-hmm. Paul: the type of experiences we're talking about here. I hope you all enjoy this interview with Jennifer. We were going to talk AI, but she talks human performance. It's absolutely wild. Can you do that to employees in the concrete industry? Please welcome the interview portion of the Slump Monkeys Concrete Podcast. Welcome into the interview portion of the Slump Monkeys Concrete Podcast. We have with us an old friend, Jennifer Manat. Thank you so much for joining the show. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for having me. Paul: Yeah, of course. For those that may not remember, she was on the Ad Ten show back in the day. We have her back here. We're gonna talk about completely different subjects. but that's okay. She has experience in a lot of things. Actually, Jennifer, why don't you take just a moment, educate the audience for us? what is your background? And then we're gonna jump into what you're doing now, and then we'll jump into what the future holds for everyone. Jennifer Manatt: well I grew up in an excavation family. my dad had an excavating company and me and my brother were his only employees, so and it was a zero training learning environment. So there's there's that piece. Paul: Yeah, well that I tell people all the time the only way I learn is the hard way. Jennifer Manatt: Yes. And then drainage child foreman on a golf course build, which was exciting and adventurous. and then sold heavy truck equipment, been a manufacturing rep. and generally throughout all of those I focused majority of my I guess approaches were always human relations. And so now I just do consulting work and I tell people, you know, if you send somebody to HR, it's kind of the beginning of the end, the end for for them and you and the relationship and the trust. if you send them to me, I'm the human potential department and I help make them, you know, kind of move over into that better person category. they want to just be a better leader, a better person, better managing their schedules, all of the things. and I help them do that. And they just kind of with the approach I use, it's a therapeutic approach called regenerating images and memory. And by using that, they just naturally kind of start becoming a better everything person, employee, everything. And so having owned my own companies as well, sold my own companies, I've kind of gone through a lot of that again, human potential creation and I hope I have a lot to offer other companies through that. Paul: That's fascinating. Last podcast we had what I'm calling the world's greatest concrete HR person, TJ Crosby. He was fantastic. He's moved on and started his own thing or bought the company, Concrete Careers, and we're happy to have them as a sponsor here in September. And now you're saying you went beyond HR and you're now HP. So company has a troublesome employee instead of just sending them To HR to be reprimanded. They send them to you to make them better. But you know, how does that process actually work? How would you actually I heard you say, I'll make sure they get on time, they start becoming a person who's on time. But but like how do you get them from the employee that is is getting penalized or being delinquent to the employee that's a a standout human being and coming to work and adding value every day? Jennifer Manatt: I what I'm gonna tell you is I'm just I just trademarked this process and it's actually called the This is kind of funny. It's leadership recovery and empowerment. And the reason I'm trademarking it, and it can be trademarked, is no one else is doing it. And the reason nobody else is doing it is because they just don't understand it. So most coaches in the coaching environment and HR environments too, and management, right? You go to all the management trainings, you read the books, you, you know, let them theory your way through every day. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: but the problem is that's there's a gap there. It's I know what's going on, I know what the problem is, and I don't know why I keep doing it. And in between is the change piece that no one can decipher and deprogram and unthread. So because of that, they just continue. It when the pressure is on, we all revert to what? Our instincts. And so my process actually works with your instincts. It doesn't just work with your behavior. Everything else is behavioral, right? Do this, meditate that. Anger cannot be taken care of with meditation if someone doesn't know how or is completely incapable of meditation. If someone has ADHD, there's no way they're meditating. There's no way. Their brain's just going all the time, right? Or they're hyperactive or whatever. that's not going to work for them. So Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: I dig in and a different level on that subconscious level and I help them actually pull away from the things that are pulling them down. And it kind of releases all that energy to just do the right things. And they don't it's funny because they start doing the right things for the wrong reasons sometimes. But then they start doing the right things for the right reasons because of those changes along the way. Paul: What what would be the right thing for the wrong reasons? What does that look like? Jennifer Manatt: well, let's say you go to work for your paycheck. Now you would think that's a right thing for the right reason, but really anybody who's just showing up for a paycheck, right? They're they're not part of the team, they're not participating, they're not looking for the best it out for the best interest of their team, people they're working with or working, you know, who are working with them, or the company. But eventually if they can enjoy what they're doing and actually enjoy the people they're with and and those types of things can come back to them. And and it's funny because some people I talk to, they say, well, I remember when, you know, I used to have difficult conversations. They'd be really easy for me. Other people come to me and say, my gosh, how did you do that? I'm so bad at that. Can you help me? And they would help them have a you know, a difficult conversation with an employee. And now they're like, I just rehearse this over and over in my head and I I I can't get myself there. And it's just this accumulation sometimes of whether it's, you know, personal or workplace traumatic events in our life, they kind of layer on us. And people are kind of like onions and every year we just tuck a little bit more in between those the skins of the onions and those layers. And then what's gonna happen to that middle? It's eventually going to be crushed, suffocated or like pop right out of there. So it's kinda like people. I I said I I if I had the opportunity to work with more people earlier on in their lives. I could probably save a lot of people from those midlife crisis moments. Paul: We've we've had a lot of discussions on here recent I mean, episode four was a massive discussion. Episode eight was a small discussion, but mental health keeps coming up. how Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: how mu yeah, how much of what you're you're doing is you're seeing folks that are struggling with mental health and it's now f affecting their daily lives? Jennifer Manatt: Yeah, I actually have therapists who refer their patients to me. And the reason is is because they don't do what I do. So Paul: I know. Hmm. Jennifer Manatt: again, they'll have a patient who is stuck in a loop. same problem, 10 years of it, and they just can't get to the bottom of it. They don't know why it's happening, what's going on, and it's getting worse, not better. And they'll refer them to me and why by getting into that subconscious and working through that process with them, they start discovering that they can pull away from those the that anchor or many anchors that are pulling them down. And it actually naturally happens because your your nervous system and everything that's connected to it, like it it wants to flow. Like it you know, like be a duck, right? And just let it roll off your back. A Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: lot of people can do that, but what happens when you think you did it and it didn't happen? And you don't realize it. And that happens. I had a a doctor, an MD, who was a cardiologist who came to me and said, I I think it's something in my head because I have a it feels like I have a pin in my heart. And she could she couldn't run. Like she can't get across the hospital, the ER or the OR. It's like that's really important when you're, you know, a cardiologist. And so when we dove into it, it was Three I it had been in in there for three years. And so when we delved into it, she remembered a conversation with her mother from three years prior, where her mother told her she was just so disappointed in her. And that was that was it. Paul: my gosh. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. And this this woman had done everything her entire life to please her parents. I mean, Paul: Mm. Jennifer Manatt: she was a research scientist, PhD thinks she might have been maybe 30 years old. And You know, had her MDA too. I mean, that's it's incredible work and that much time in your life. And then all of a sudden you do one thing and she says that and it just destroys you. But you know, no one yelled. No one threw anything, right? So Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: we all consider like traumatic events to be like, I had this car accident, or this person was screaming Paul: yeah, yeah. Jennifer Manatt: and yelling at me, or you know, this person manipulated me and really, you know, abused me mentally and emotionally. And it can be You know, one every person is different. They're they're you know I guess their their brain and their nervous system accumulates things differently. And so for me, someone like that say something like to me, I I'd be like a dog. I'd be like, okay. Even if it was, you know, apparent. I because, you know, sometimes your parents get disappointed in you. I my childhood, that's how that worked. I was disappointed when you did that. Okay, you know, I'll do better next time and here's how I'm gonna do that. But this gal had never disappointed her parents or they had never expressed that to her. So it was traumatic event for her, even though no one yelled and screamed and it didn't seem traumatic, which is why she couldn't find it. Right? Paul: my gosh. That's that's interesting. So are you are you doing these virtually or did does someone have to come in and see you? Jennifer Manatt: Yeah, I do it all virtually. there's good reasons for that is people are safer and and more comfortable in their own environments. So if you if you don't know someone, it's like a therapist, right? You walk in and it takes months and months and months to get to know them and then trust them and then maybe you'll tell them, you know, 45 to 50 percent of what you really should tell them. with what I do, it it isn't like that. So you're in your own environment. I want you to trust your environment so that you can subconsciously dip in there, get really far into your subconscious and be comfortable not knowing, you know, there's nobody in the room with you and you're you're in a familiar environment. So your subconscious kind of goes, I'm just gonna do this. Paul: Is there any is there any hypnosis or anything involved? How are you how are you retrieving these these these memories? Jennifer Manatt: it there's not hypnosis. it is More of a following of feelings is the best way to describe it. there's imagery involved and it's it's really interesting. People will say, This is so weird, because you know, they're not hypnotized, so they're communicating with me during the entire process. They'll say, This is so weird. I just had this, you know, big bouncy rubber ball show up and it just keeps bouncing. And I'm like, Okay. So Some things we just stick with that or they'll say, my gosh, like my whole body is like covered with this weird light energy. And I'll be, what does that feel like? And so we follow a lot of those things and and things just kind of pop up. And when the brain starts to kind of relax into that flow, things start coming up that, you know, like I said, they'll say, this is really weird. I never thought about this. I haven't thought about this in 22 years, or you know, it's it's interesting. Paul: So th the red bouncy ball and and the image of light, what do you what do you think that is? Jennifer Manatt: it just depends. And what's interesting about me is because I'm not a therapist, I'm not Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: trying to diagnose anyone, I'm not trying to figure out what these things are. so people who come to me, they know I'm not sitting on this side of it going, Hmm, you know, is this person this or that? Or, you know, no, I don't I don't work with any of that. I just let it be what it's going to be because I don't need to know. good example veterans. They'll come into a therapist and they'll say, You don't know what the hell happened to me. You don't understand. You're never gonna get and what's great about me is I don't that's great because I don't need to understand it. Right? I don't have to know what happened. As long as you were there and you experienced it, this is really a session between you and you. Paul: Mm. Jennifer Manatt: And I'm just here to make sure that it, you know, goes well and that it It allows for healing and it allows for space and calm and peace. And that's something that a lot of people haven't felt or experienced in years by the time I see them. Paul: certainly not gonna find it in HR lady's office, I'll tell you that right now. Jennifer Manatt: No. Paul: but but how do they feel when they come to you? Because they're not they're not coming to you by their own choice generally, right? They're coming or that's not how you mentioned it a minute like a minute ago. It's like instead of sending them HR, they send them to you. But they sound like the doctor lady maybe sought you out. But if they're Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: coming to you because they're being put on a human performance improvement plan, What what's that like them coming into that first conversation or that ca ca I can't man, I can't even imagine like my boss being like, Hey, you gotta get it together. Go see Jennifer. I I like I can't even imagine what that's like trying to get them to open up. What's so what what is it typically like when they they walk in that virtual door that first time? Jennifer Manatt: Well, I would tell you this, that a lot of times because it's coaching, it's not therapy, it's not, you know, no one's trying to diagnose you. sometimes the best approach and and a lot of proactive companies are looking at it as like more of a gym membership. You know, this is not mental health, it's actually mental wellness. Paul: My next question was gonna be, is this can it be proactive? And then my second question was gonna be, can it be done in a group or is it all is one on one the only way to really do it? Jennifer Manatt: you can do it in a group. I I would say there's some there's some basic stuff that you can experience when you're in a group, but you know, generally you're not gonna have the the real deep stuff, deep work. Sometimes we'll do it as a demo with a group of people. you know, I've had some really interesting sessions where, you know I that I even participated in where, you know, she drops you into your subconscious and you land on, you know, like a measuring stick that goes from like one to ten. And you land on the number that you feel like you're performing at. my s most recently, right? So you land on like an eight and they're like, this is interesting. It's an eight. I wonder how you know, and then how are you gonna get to a ten, right? So that's the next question most people ask. But with us we say, okay, so now look toward ten and what's standing between you and ten that's gonna prevent you from getting there. Paul: Mm. Jennifer Manatt: And that's when the image pops up. You just kind of image just pop up. And it sounds really like, I don't know, Creative and sometimes people are, I guess, a little daunted by that, but it's interesting how the brain works. You know, the first time I ever did a session was I went to an exec I attended an executive coaching course out of New York City, and we had to do a session to get our certif our certification. And I didn't want to do it. So I was one Paul: Of course not. We're we're heavy machinery concrete people. This is all woo woo. Get out of here with this junk. Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: So yeah, so you're executive coaching and they made you do this session. Jennifer Manatt: Yes. So I I had I it was so down to the point where I was getting ready to be done with all the other work. And so my coach had to call me and be like, hey, you really need to do this. I was like, I don't really think I want to do that. Paul: I think. Jennifer Manatt: And and she's like, trust me, it's like nothing you've ever done before. It's nothing like literally, there's no way I can harm you. And there's no way that I can hurt your brain or anything like that. And I was like, all right. And so I was like, I'm just gonna go along with it. Like I'm just gonna play along. And like, I'm not even in the room with you. How are you gonna know? And so and what ended up happening was because this process works so well with your like your subconscious and it works so well with your brain and your and your nervous system, it's just cut start things start flowing and things start coming up and you're like, wow, this is it's so weird. So at first you'll you do people say things like, this is so weird. and then after you have, you know, four or five sessions with them, they're just like, I can't wait to dig in and see where this goes. And so it goes from being Paul: Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: resistant to I have so much more relief. I can't believe I had one gal literally come out of her session and the first thing she said to me, Well, what the F, Jen. And I was like, Paul: How many sess How how many sessions is normal? five, ten, also what do you Jennifer Manatt: I know executives that do one a one a month because it provides space between a reaction and a response for them. Because Paul: Well Jennifer Manatt: every day is pressure, every day is dealing with the bank and the, you know, investors and stakeholders and you know, all of the things that they have pressure on, they're just in this pressure cooker. And this process helps create space for them at the executive level that allows them to make better decisions and see things more clearly and just follow a process. And a lot of times it's it they struggle to do that because there is so much pressure. Paul: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of pressure at the top. There's no doubt about it. Everybody everybody answers to somebody inside the corporation. I the reason the Jennifer Manatt: Mm. Paul: reason I was asking how many how many sessions is one of the things you mentioned was you're getting these people to form new habits. Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: A lot of literature out there on how long it takes to form a new habit, but you gotta convince them that there's a habit worth forming and then convince them that this is the habit that needs to be formed and Jennifer Manatt: Mm. Paul: then they have to learn a technique to form the habit. I mean, gosh, this all of this could take a tremendous amount of time. Jennifer Manatt: Mm and effort and frustration. Paul: Yeah, and effort and well ref well, effort, repetition, and they have to want to change. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. And when I worked with Dale Carnegie, you know, one of the reasons that their program is, you know, 12 weeks, eight weeks, et cetera, is because it's all behavioral processes. It's all retraining yourself. But the fact is, is that this is gonna tick everybody off because you're spending all this money on leadership training and when it matters most, they can't access it because you can't access learned behavior. when it matters most in critical times because of the pressure. You go right back to instincts, which doesn't allow you space for decid like a good decision, clarity around a you know conflict situation, et cetera. Paul: Insert. So I I've had one really good corporate training and well I've had I've had a couple, I shouldn't say only one, but one that actually did like a lot of follow ups like Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: through time to make and then a second session and a third session and it was a sales training, but it wasn't it wasn't like teaching you how to pitch. It was teaching about yourself. And it was all about self and I and it's it's funny, like maybe it was because we kept, you know, having follow up reach outs and follow up lessons. that it was a w the the one key thing that stuck with me was it it taught me that when I was speaking with someone who was in adult decision making mode that when critical moments came I would sometimes revert to humor when it wasn't time to be funny. And I didn't even know I was doing that. And I was like, who would do that? Like that's that's dumb. Why would you start laughing? This is a serious moment. And I realized that's what I was doing. So I will physically catch myself sometimes wanting to say something or wanting to laugh or wanting to smile. And it's it's not the time. We're having a an adult to adult conversation. We must Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: all be adults. But I I to those types of things are so enlightening. But it took a it took real effort to like Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: admit there was a problem. Admit there was a problem. Identify the problem, admit there a problem. And then fix that problem. Jennifer Manatt: Well, it's interesting because when I was talking about dropping in on that measuring stick, there's some people who say, okay, well, I'm a six right now, right? And what do you see right between you and a being a 10 in your, you know, in your life? Is I see a stack of books. Like I'm gonna have to go back to school, I'm gonna have to do all this stuff, right? And so there's that. Paul: I mean. Jennifer Manatt: And I see money. Like I see a big hole. Like there's a really deep hole, and just money keeps falling into the hole. Like these are all real examples of of things other people shared in the session. And But a lot of people literally see themselves as the thing standing in their own way. Paul: Hm. Jennifer Manatt: And that's what throws them. They're like, it's not a thing. Like it's not a thing. It's a me. And and what's Paul: Yeah. Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: interesting is you know, getting those insights about how you see yourself, what your blind spots are. And what's funny is is that we what I do, we work on in areas subconsciously, you may never know what the blind spot was. It just goes away. Like there's no struggling to be better, do better, whatever. Because we untether Paul: that's interesting. Jennifer Manatt: whatever that is it that you feel inside, because you feel something first. And then you do it. Paul: Hm. Jennifer Manatt: And so whatever's tethered to that feeling, which is why following the feeling makes sense. Whatever's tethered to that feeling, if you find that and it like the pin and it dissolves or dissipates, or however your brain and nervous system take care of that image, you never deal with it again. I've contacted that doctor and it's been three and a half years, four, four years this year, I think, since I did her session. And she's never had the pin back. Paul: Wow. That's incredible. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: So is in in this line of work, how many clients could you reasonably take on though? It seems like it would take it takes a lot of mental effort for you as well. Jennifer Manatt: Well, there's an organization that actually does the training for this. The gal who developed it, Dr. Deb Sandela, she's just a genius. just and great human being, which is the best person you want to learn from, actually. but I would say that I would say the solutions are are all inside of us and we just can't locate them. Does that make sense? Paul: like what books do you read to be in the space to be in the know to give yourself a foundation of learning in this in this area because for me you know I had certain authors I would go to and I wanted to learn to be a better parent or I wanted to be a better employee or I wanted to be better in technology or I wanted whatever it is. Like I had authors that I would go read and some I liked and some I didn't business. Like whatever it is I there's I read a lot of these different books. There were things I read in these books I could never have come up with inside inside my limited brain. And so to take their knowledge and then just put work ethic behind it and like make me better. But Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: I I'm curious like what are you reading? What what are you supplementing your knowledge with? It's in this type of space. Jennifer Manatt: absolutely. So there's other techniques and practices that are out there that are kind of in this space. there's something called Gestalt. there's there's other Other things that I read mostly are on the function of the brain. So I feel like people in this space kind of go to certification sometimes, but they don't really understand how the brain works. And then I've been studying pretty much human behavior my whole life because I tell people all the time: if you're in marketing and sales, which is my entire career, and business ownership, right? HR, your own HR person, and consulting, same thing, HR and business and leadership. You're you you literally have to understand human behavior and how it works. That's also working for the Dale Carnegie organization. You that's one of the first things they start teaching you, right? Is how human behavior changes and how to make something a habit, right? After weeks and weeks, 12 weeks, whatever. with this, it's more of it's more of a continue to go back and do the certification over again. although Dr. Deb has a book, it's called Good by Hurt and Pain. you can read it and there's some kind of self-meditation guidance pieces to that. But I didn't find them helpful or useful because again, having grown up, you know, it digging in the dirt and doing all the things, I'm really I don't really like delve too far into the book stuff, right? I like the practices of it better. And Paul: Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: so that was why I took the certification. So going back, me, myself, going back to certification over and over, because she's still alive and she's still teaching and she's still developing. So what I learned, you know, three and a half, you know, four years ago, if I go back to certification, I guarantee you there's going to be a lot of different nuances and new things to learn and new ways she's presenting it that will help me learn as well. So I know, yeah, sure you're certified, but you still need to keep going. You still need to also insert yourself with people who are doing it every day. day so that you can kind of you know exchange notes and things like that on best practices as well. And we we do that like every Wednesday, every first Wednesday of the month there's a call and different we talk about different things on that call. Paul: Are the typical people that are coming to see you is it labor level, executive level, everything in between? Jennifer Manatt: Everything. I mean, I'll tell you, like symptomatically, there's a little bit of differences, obviously. It just seems to be there's just a difference in people who are on the labor end of things tend to have more challenges on the financial side of their life, so they're they're dragging, you know, Issues with them to work every day. And they they have to do this work, they have to do this for their family. They have to earn and they have to pay bills and you know be responsible and all the things. And so all of that weighs on them pretty heavily. and if you imagine, I tell people sometimes it's like a sunburn. All that weight is kind of like a sunburn, and you don't really have a sunburn, you can't really see it. And so you if you brush them just the wrong way, they just they're angry, right? So when you're already coming to work here, it doesn't take long to get here. Right, so when I see that in in clients, bringing them down to here is a better place for them to be because then they have the space before they lose it, and that's at home and at work. So again, working on the principles of what do they need to live better and do better across all aspects, and that's what I work with. Paul: And so when you're having these conversations, you're trying to get them t to realize that on their own. You're trying to get them a point or you just tell like, this is where you need Jennifer Manatt: No. Paul: to know. Jennifer Manatt: No. I mean sometimes sometimes they do. If they don't so what's great about my this therapeutic technique is my approach to it is it is the coaching. Okay. So Paul: Mm. Jennifer Manatt: you might go in and tell your therapist, I'll actually use a real example. Paul: Okay. Jennifer Manatt: I had a client that came in and didn't tell me anything. And again, I didn't really ask a ton. and she went through this process where her mom showed up in her session with her and kept her from going into this like black hole. And the black hole was the size of a city block, and then it shrunk and shrunk and shrunk until it was gone. And at the end of it, her mom like hugged her and told her she loved her, and then kind of went on her way. And after the session, the conversation was so what was your you know takeaway from this? And she said, I just feel completely different now. And it was because her mom's boyfriend had done some things to her when she Paul: Mm. Jennifer Manatt: was little. And when she went to her mom, her mom didn't believe her, didn't protect her. And from that moment on, I would never told her she loved her again. And so, if which if this happened, she went to her therapist and talked to her therapist about what happened to her, right? But the real trauma for her that her nervous system told her, the insight was, it wasn't that this happened to you. It was how your mother, the person who loved you and was you expected, and naturally your nervous system expected to protect you and love you, did nothing and made it worse. So the trauma was not the thing that happened to her. Was how her mother handled it. The primary, the thing that a therapist would think is the primary, you know, situation or her therapist did was not, it was secondary to the mother's reaction. Paul: my gosh. And Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: how how many sessions does it take to get that type of clarity, to get this type of imagery and and find these resolutions? Jennifer Manatt: That was her first session. Paul: my Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Same thing with the doctor with the pin. So I tell people all the time, whatever's bubbling up, whatever's coming to the surface, that's so much easier to track. You know, I have people who come into a session and they're just upset. They're just full blown upset. They're telling me all about it. And I'm like, all right. So we we have a saying in REM, we say, Well, they're already dipped, which means they're already so connected to that feeling. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: That whatever is tethered to that's probably where it end up. Now you might have to fight it. men like to fight it. I men like to fight. Paul: Well well I'm gonna bring this back to us men in just a second. Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: Men like to fight it. but it's interesting because once they trust it, it helps them to on a level that, you know, that they were never they never thought they'd be able to feel that space, feel that peace, that calm. You know, I have some clients that are men who thought they were just angry their whole life. Just managing being pissed off just every single Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: day. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: of their life. And then you get into a session and you realize there's actually a cause for that. There's actually something that triggered that. And then you just, you know, you're expected, especially as a as a man. I mean, as you're raised, you know, we like to talk about women, you know, I I I'm around a lot of women a lot of times. We like to talk about women's stuff, right? When we talk about men's stuff, it's like you guys are expected to just, I don't know, just stuff it down. Tuck it down there. Don't tell anybody. You know, you're supposed to make your your your wife feel protected and safe and you know your kids feel pr you know provided for and loved. And everybody, you know, everybody, you're everything to everyone. And that is so much pressure. And then you add the job and the work pressure and the earnings and all of that kind of stuff onto it. And you're just supposed to keep stuffing that. You can't tell me that there isn't stuff down there that you've been stuffing for years that isn't contributing to something like that. Paul: I am the world's greatest compartmentalizer. There is a partition somewhere in my brain and all the negative things just get thrown over that wall. They're never to be seen again. And I just keep marching forward. Jennifer Manatt: Yes. Well, and my dad used to tell me that about his Vietnam experience. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: He would tell me, I just pigeonhole it. I mean he it was so interesting because he was so I don't know why, you know, these these younger guys are coming back with all this PTSD and stuff from you know, I went through this and that, and I don't I don't have any PTSD. Paul: The audio audio only listeners could not see the look on Jennifer's face in her reaction to her dad saying, I don't have any PTSD. Jennifer Manatt: I'm like, my God, you know, it we I I had an I had a waterbed when I was growing up, I had to bounce a quarter off of just just to explain how much PTSD that guy had. So Paul: Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: And you know, Paul: man. Jennifer Manatt: I I tell people all the time You know, we we focus a lot on on veterans and we need to. very, very much need to. The veterans that I've worked with, this experience for them is colossal, life, life-changing, colossally life-changing. Because they suddenly realize that I don't need to know what they need to know and they don't have to relive it. Like if you go into a therapist and they want to do EMDR with you, you have to relive it. Paul: Well w hold on, what's sorry, what's EMDR? Jennifer Manatt: So EMDR is I I don't remember the exact words that are sorry. Paul: What's the what's the therapy consist of though? Jennifer Manatt: so they kind of use paddles in your hands and they alternate back and forth with vibration, or they allow you to the EMDR is for eye movement, whatever. So they move their fingers back and forth and it you know, in a way that you follow with your eyes and it's supposed to like help your brain as you're going back through this to, you know, cope with or deal with or whatever, the experience. It's kind of a basic way to explain it, I guess. I'm just trying to keep it as basic as possible versus scientific. and so with that though, there's three outcomes. And I know that because I did EMDR. I and I had a friend of mine who is a therapist who does EMDR and she wanted me to do my technique on her. So Paul: great, great. We're all just trying to communicate Jennifer Manatt: Right. I mean Paul: each other. That's the community. Okay. Jennifer Manatt: You asked me what my continuum education is. That's one of it. one of it. Hey. Paul: It's it's trying things out on each other. Jennifer Manatt: Hey, you know. I I don't wanna I don't wanna make an opinion on something unless I've done it or, you know, experience it or whatever. So I'm willing to put myself Paul: Okay, well okay, that's no okay, that's fair. But I'm just imagining like like what do what do shrinks think is a fun thing to do on a Friday night? Like let's all get together and, you know, try to Jennifer Manatt: right. Paul: shrink each other. Jennifer Manatt: Right, right, right. Well, and I'll tell you what, on the EMDR side, there's three, there's three things that can happen. It can make you better, which it it has been working really well with a a lot of veterans. so it's been approved for like like reimbursements and stuff with the the VA and all that kind of stuff for that reason. but it can make you worse. so if you go in and you're re-experiencing this thing and it doesn't work right, you actually re-traumatize yourself. You can re-traumatize yourself and yeah. And Paul: Weeks. Yeah, that's terrible. Jennifer Manatt: or nothing happens. So you're just as bad off as you were when you went in. So there's kind of, you know, I when I s when I was asked to do the the rim when in my coaching course. I I didn't want to do it because I was like, well, that opened a whole bunch of Pandora's box when I did the EMDR thing. And man, that's not gonna work for me. And so when I did this, it was completely different. You do not have to live back through your experience. And if you do, your nervous system, your brain, right now, the reason it's hiding, whatever it is, right? That keeps flashing up or bubbling up. is for your own mental health. It's for your own ability to function on a daily basis, right? But you're barely functioning. Like you're the whole fight, flight, freeze are fun. That's where you're at. That's where you're living. And so with what we do, it's not like that. so I love the fact that I don't have to put a veteran back through a battle experience or losing their best friend next to them or any of those things. And it helps. And that's why where it is a colossal help to a veteran to do these types of sessions. Paul: I was just listening to a podcast the other day and they were talking about something along those lines and that our brains have been optimized through human history to suppress the negative memories and highlight the positive memories because if it was in reverse, we might not be able to get anything done. Might not even be able to live. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and there's people right now that every night before they go to bed, you know, their brain doesn't shut off, right? And all they're doing is thinking about what they have to do the next day, or they're thinking about what they did wrong or think they did wrong or said wrong in a meeting, or you know, they're just constantly second guessing themselves. And one of the things I love about this approach, this RIM approach, is that you lear your brain learns to trust itself again. through the process. So it's just this natural I call it a natural progression. So the as you do your sessions, you start making progress. And you can make progress. People think it's great to make progress in one session and just have this horrible thing that happened to them. They, you know, process it. Like that girl, she didn't go back through what she what her mom's boyfriend did to her, did she? Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: But it took 25 minutes for that hole to go away. So her brain and nervous system processed that black hole for 25 minutes. So it was big. It that so it wasn't not it wasn't like it wasn't trauma. It wasn't like that. It was big. But she didn't have to go there again for it to process. And that's what's so genius about Dr. Deb and her approach to doing this, to developing RIM. Paul: And so you're you're dealing with the subconscious, it sounds like, with a lot of this. Have you it's all subconscious. Have you have Jennifer Manatt: It's all subconscious. Mm-hmm. Paul: you given a lot of thought to like what is consciousness? Jennifer Manatt: yes. Because Paul: yeah, I'd love to 'cause if you're dealing in the subconscious all the time, I'd love to like sort of l talk about that for a second. Like what do you what do you think consciousness is? Jennifer Manatt: Consciousness is when you can when you're thinking through things on a logical level, right? because I I tell people this every day we make 95% of our decisions subconsciously. But we think we're making them consciously. So Carl Carl Jung, he is kind of like one of the people I study the most. because he's so so interesting, his perspectives and his insights, kind of a legend. And one of the things he says, and I'm gonna get the quote wrong, so I'm not gonna try and quote it, I'll just summarize it is, is that if you don't find the source of this, you'll just keep calling whatever happens in your life fate. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: So if you don't identify it and become aware it aware of it and you don't have any awareness around it, whatever's happening in your life, you're just being, it's fate. it happens. Or bad luck follows me. Everywhere I go, I I just people, you know, are constantly, we're constantly in conflict. Some people feel like that all the time, and it's like, ooh, that's that's in there. That's that's that subconscious control. And when they start doing RIM, What's weird is things start going right in their life. I literally just had a lady finish her fifth session and just say, it's so weird, my husband and I don't argue as as much as we used to. We're actually enjoying time together, you know, again. These are the things that that I love hearing from from people because it's not me. I'm helping them do it. It's them. So they're helping themselves. So I teach the brain and the their body to trust themselves again. And as long as they keep that space, and that's where one person they might want two sessions a month, one person might want one session a month, one might say, you know, once a quarter. They all start with multiple sessions. You know, they all will get purchase a package of five or ten sessions and and use them because they want to really delve into and start feeling freer faster. but the great thing about this is I love this piece, is I can't see you in for like less than seven to ten ten days after your session because what I do actually helps grow new neural pathways in your brain. So it's also brain longevity and mental wellness in a real fashion. So I can't just say, hey, buy 10 sessions from me, I'll see you every other day for the next month, right? Paul: Mm. Yeah, yeah. Jennifer Manatt: So I tell people I'm never gonna get rich off of you know, one client, make a mortgage payment or you know, whatever. some of these places want you to sign up for this program or whatever. That's not how I work at all. Paul: I can imagine the an exec high powered executive being like, Let's knock this out. Jennifer Manatt: Right. Paul: Regroove my pathways. So in a month. So what what's the science behind that? And I know earlier you said, like, hey, don't want to get too deep into science. Actually, if you look at the demographics of our audience, it is a highly educated audience that listens to this, a lot of bachelor's degrees, a lot of master's Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: degrees, a lot of engineers, scientists, people that are thinkers. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: I don't think you have to shy away from that when you Talk about grooving or reforming neural pathways. Do we understand Jennifer Manatt: I think. Paul: the science behind what's going on there? Jennifer Manatt: Well, we just the Rim Institute just published a study last fall on nursing students. I think it was with Colorado University, maybe, where they kind of did a study on There's symptoms of, you know, when you go into nursing, some people don't really understand what they're gonna see or what that experience looks like every day. and so there is some trauma involved. And it if anybody it like you said, there's some science people out there. If anybody worked in or has been in a healthcare field, some people have probably switched fields because it's literally that can be that traumatic to work in. But on the science side of things, the new neural pathways is what kind of helps your brain become builds that neuroplasticity, right? So now instead of having something happened and you're unable to process it and you're just storing it and you're tucking it away and tucking it away and everything is kind of clogged. Once you're going through RIM sessions, it's kind of helping grow those new neural pathways. You have more brain plasticity, you're able to learn and have better insights. The nervous system works with it and that there's more peace. So everything just starts kind of curving into the more positive. So it's like the people who say they all they ever walk into the room and they see something that's wrong, right? You start seeing those people start walking into rooms and start seeing things that are right and being astonished. And I love that. Paul: That's really interesting. Yeah, and you were talking about earlier, like people say, it's just fate and bad things. I actually think good things follow me. I don't know. I I'm like I get lucky a lot of times. A lot of Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: a lot of good things seem to follow me. I'm very thankful. If the universe would like to keep doing that, I would really, you know, really appreciate appreciate that. Yeah, I'm curious. So Young Jungian philosophy is is kind of the foundation of your personal viewpoints, you did things that you probably agree with. That's interesting. your thoughts on consciousness is that's when we're making logical decisions about the next steps or the paths or of our life. We whatever it is, it's where you're really putting some type of thought and effort into what's next. But I'm I'm curious Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. But what's funny is we do all that work and then our subconscious makes the decision for us. It's I tell people this. So someone comes to me and they are coming out of really horrible divorce. I tell them that the divorce isn't the trauma. The trauma was whatever had you agree to marry that person. So it the trauma was actually the decision to marry someone that you shouldn't have married because of the trauma that you had, that decision. Instead of saying, this this feels familiar and it's a bad thing for my childhood, you know, my father drank, my mother drank, or, you know, whatever it was, right? Paul: Mm. Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: They feel that as familiar and our nervous systems are calmer around those people when we're younger because that feels normal to us. It's not till we get older and we start suddenly realize that that isn't normal. And you know Paul: That pattern shouldn't equal safety or comfort. That pattern should be dangerous. Jennifer Manatt: Right. And so then we start as we learn, right? Our subconscious can change over time. Our our thought processes. And as we sit and think about what's right and what's wrong. And as we learn more information, it kind of can like you were talking about, you learn this over here and you kind of feel like it changed you because it was kind of an epiphany moment. And those epiphany moments, I always say, kind of help change that subconscious view. And then that changes, and as that changes, it tweaks everything along the path as you go forward. But you can't get as many of those. you want in your lifetime to do what you do in a room session. Paul: Huh. eating disorders too? Or it does? It does. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Well I had someone who was a drinker. They drank a lot. and when we got into it, I don't know, third session, you realized that every time something happened, if it was good or bad, mom and dad drank. Everybody's drinking all the time. And it's accepted, that's what we do. So we do it to celebrate and we do it when we're stressed. And so he just started going with that pattern. And that was what he was comfortable with, right? And so he used that as coping. And then obviously his family, his wife and his family didn't necessarily agree that that was a good way to cope because it other things were starting to come out of him as well, like anger and resentment and things like that while he was drinking. And so, you know, through his sessions, he decided he kind of got disgusted. So it's like that epiphany moment you had. But he got disgusted on a really guttural physical level to the point he felt nauseous, like he was gonna throw up during a session. And after that, does doesn't drink. Just doesn't doesn't have the craving for it, doesn't want to have a drink, doesn't not interested. And I'm not saying that happens with everyone. Everybody, literally, every single person has their own experience based on whatever their experiences have been. We're all different people, right? but in his, it was like, I don't ever want to drink again because I'm disgusted with not only what I grew up with and looking at back at my childhood and all the fear I had in me. I want my kids to feel that, you know? And I don't want them to repeat this behavior and struggle with it like I have. So it's done. And i it's there's no meetings. He's not going to, you know, he's not dealing with any of that because he doesn't have the desire. Most alcoholics, that's a behavioral change, right? They're having to fight it every day. Paul: Mm. Mm. Jennifer Manatt: Every day. Paul: So in this in this sense, you're saying that these are subconscious patterns or habits or feelings or effects and we have to make a conscious decision to overcome that? Or you're having to re do the new neural pathways create a new subconscious pathway? Jennifer Manatt: No. It's just it's the same. It just modifies it. So you're modifying it. So it's almost like replacing it with a different feeling. So you know how we're following the feeling and it's this really bad and horrible feeling. If Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: you replace it with a different feeling, that's Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: bit what becomes your subconscious memory, pretty much. That's what I call it anyway. Is you have this subconscious memory and his subconscious memory goes, drinking makes us feel disgusted. Paul: Mm-hmm. Jennifer Manatt: So when I see a beer, I think, you know, I I see a beer, I look at a person like at the fair or whatever, right? I look at these people and I look at the the kids are dirty and you know they don't have enough, and this guy has, you know, 10 empty beer glasses in front of him at $10 a piece. And just feeling that level of you're feeling for the family, right? That's the feeling that you're now making a decision from. You're not making the diff the decision from a feeling of you know. wanting we thinking that that's gonna solve a problem and thinking that's normal. Paul: If if we get these types of opportunities to have these sessions like bigger, like more prevalent in the construction space, like what types of changes do you think we could see as an industry? Jennifer Manatt: Well, having been on construction sites myself, I just remember, you know, managing attitude, managing and attitude is everything when you go to work, you know. you can you can deal with someone if they make a mistake and whatever, but it you can't deal with anger that puts other people at risk. You you know, you can't deal with disregard for safety and things like that. And so I I think it would change everything literally for the construction industry from the ground up. Because it's everyone from the person coming in to work that's struggling with other whatever personal issues they have and trying to get through their day. And then same thing on the executive level. everybody has personal issues. They bring them to work with them. They don't just leave them at home in a little suitcase and then open back up when they get home. But just the different levels of and different variety of antagonists in their environments that makes the the difference in the responses. But either way, anger is one that I've seen a lot of that is really Paul: On a construction site? No. Nobody gets angry on a construction site. We're all we have the perfect amount of sleep. We have good nutrition. None Jennifer Manatt: Right. Right. Paul: none of the families are mad that we just spent all these hours on this construction. No, no, no. Nobody's angry. No con no conf. I Jennifer Manatt: Right. Right. There's no conflict. There's no Paul: was talking to somebody the other day said it's okay, it's okay if you make const a mistake in concrete. It's just permanent. Jennifer Manatt: Right, right. Isn't that funny? But that that's the that's the the number one thing I think the frustration frustration and anger. the anger comes from a place of fear. Fear is the first feeling, anger is the outcome. And I tell that to people a lot and with men in general how we're how how they're socialized in society, sometimes it's just a fear of showing that emotion of being, you know, sad or upset. They don't get that. And so i it's really not their fault that they're pissed off all the time. I mean, we're s kind of joking about this, but it's really not their fault they're pissed off all the time. It's that we're told them it's okay for a guy to be pissed off. It's not okay for them to sit on a job site and cry. Paul: yeah, actually that's that's hilarious. I can count on my hands probably ten thousand times. I've seen people lose their mind in anger. I don't think I can ever ever even once recall a guy crying on a job site. Jesus, I don't think he'd be able to show your face again if somebody caught you crying on a job site. They'd Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Yeah. Paul: be like, Something right sends you to the mental hospital. Jennifer Manatt: But I can tell you that having sat on the side of the HR table in like manufacturing, which can be similar a similar setting for men, as soon as they're sitting in front of me, whether in the HI HR side or operation side, they cry. Paul: Really? Jennifer Manatt: Because it is it has nothing to do with that person that they were working with that they got mad at. It has nothing to do with the the boss and and what they said or asked them to do and whatever. Had everything to do with all of the things going on at home and all of the pressure that they have to, you know, make ends meet every day. And and for me, whenever I was in those scenarios, I was like, you you need to let this out. It's healthy. And I don't think that there are enough people that do that. That allow space for that. And they need they really need to with men. Really need to. Paul: I think it's I think it's becoming more understood. I saw recently there were some talks at some conferences and they were presenting on this type of stuff. So it's I think it's gonna turn around I think it's turning around that idea of giving men some somewhere to t someone to talk to somewhere. I have the opposite problem where I don't feel like I need to talk to anybody because I have the world's greatest partition inside my head somewhere, and all the bad things just go over the wall. They compartmentalize Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: over there. The problem for me is that even if it's something like minor and it's like, that's negative, whoop, over the wall. Like I'm not, I'm not even dealing with it. So then when the family like later is like, hey, did we deal with this problem? Like, crap, totally forgot there was a problem because I threw it over the wall. And I might so I'm walking around happy all day because all the negative things are behind the wall. And there's no window into the wall, there's no door to the wall. You can't dig in up over. under it's behind the wall and and I don't even I don't even think about it's funny I don't even think about it. I know that and I know that's how I am. And of course it's a protection mechanism and there's some there's a few people listening to the show who knows what I went through like 10 years ago that I had to deal with and and it was horrible. But if I stayed up all night thinking about you know what I had to go through back then like Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: Jesus. I you know you'd never get anything done. You can't think about all that. Usually well Made it through. A lot of people helped me and all the negative just goes over the wall and it stays over there. Don't even don't even worry about it. Cause it's not it's Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: not anything that I could repeat. So it's something that happened to me and we got through it. So over the wall it goes. Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So let me ask you that. During that during that time, what happened to you? Was there any time that you broke down? Yeah. Paul: my gosh. Lots of times. Lots of times. Sure. you know, 'cause I y did life didn't stop moving. Jennifer Manatt: Right. Paul: I still had to go on work trips and you know, you sit in a parking lot in the middle of Houston, Texas, can't control yourself 'cause life's a mess. Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: but you can't do that in at this at the concrete block plant. You know, you're you're Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: sitting here trying to pull the cement out. Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: Yeah. Yeah. Jennifer Manatt: Well, and a lot of times it's it's you know, having those moments to break down, having the safety. That's you know, again, when you're asking about an environment, it's a good place. You just said, I was alone, I'm in my car, I'm in my you know, house, I'm in my apartment, you know, with my clients. It that's when you're you feel comfortable enough and safe enough to break down, which is what why the virtual actually makes a lot of sense as well. because that's when you're ready to just kind of let it go and and driven to do that. But you You're being able to process, that's what it takes, you know. But it's interesting. Have you ever talked to anybody who hasn't been able to cry in years? Paul: No, I I I'm a guy. We don't talk about I gotta be honest with you. Jennifer Manatt: guys. We're gonna go. But yeah, I mean I've talked to women who went through horrible experiences, got d you know, divorces or, you know, horrible childhood stuff and whatever and they haven't they haven't been in touch with their emotions in years. And those are probably you know, men also, you know, they take more sessions just because honestly you need to get back in touch with that feeling, with those feelings. And if you have never had a safe place to process those emotions, then that's it that's an even bigger sign that this is something you would need. It isn't it isn't a want, it's a need. And that's why I keep telling companies is You know, you you can do this mental health thing on the health insurance side, and that's great. they're gonna go see a therapist, they're gonna talk about their problems, and maybe, maybe they'll cry, maybe on the construction side of things, I don't know. You know, maybe they'll let it out, maybe they'll process it. but it can go, I know just from having, you know, re referrals from therapists and conversations with therapists that it can take up to three years just to tell you what's really the problem. I've literally had one of my friends tell me. It took a girl three years to tell her that she had been assaulted and she had been seeing her like every other week for three years and it took her that long to tell her and it was like, well, you know, on the therapist side, it's like we probably should have started here, but she just wasn't ready yet. And that's where Rim is a great tool too, is because Again, you don't have to relive it. It can just show up as an image. It can show up as a feeling. It can show up as something else. and you can process it safely and you don't necessarily even have to cry. it's not it's not a requirement. Paul: Yeah, I hope yeah, I hope not all the guys listening to this that were like, Well, maybe I should talk to someone, you know, not a requirement Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: to cry. I did go see a couple of therapists to ask questions like, What is going on? Like what do I do? I need a game plan. This is uncharted territory, how do I handle all this? And you know, they gave me the I went to one guy for one session, he gave me the craziest piece of advice ever. I never had to go back. And he said, Paul, you can't rationalize an irrational mind. And I Jennifer Manatt: Yes. Paul: was like Great great. So every time someone would do something it was insane, I'd be Jennifer Manatt: Mm. Paul: like, can't rationalize an irrational mind, just gotta move on and can't put my energy toward that. So yeah, it's an interesting Jennifer Manatt: Mm-hmm. Paul: life we live. I got two things. First, if a company's listening to this and they think that this would be worthwhile for the employees or an employee is listening to this and they want to be you know, you know, up level themselves in some way, how can they get in contact with your consulting firm? Jennifer Manatt: sure. they can go to my website. It's neurohavencoach.com. And most of the information is all there about what I'm doing, what it is. none of the corporate stuff is on there just because it can be I construct those programs c custom for every company because different industries need different things and different people. so it depends w on what they're gonna do. Like are they just wanting to use do like you said, you had sales training. Do they just want their salespeople, the you know, one of their great salespeople just stop being able to call people? Okay, well let's, you know, is it just one person or are we talking 50 people? What are we talking? Paul: Great. And could you say that website one more time, maybe spell it for everyone? Jennifer Manatt: Sure, neurohavencoach.com N-E-U-R-O H A V E N C O H H C H excuse me dot com. Neurohavencoach.com. Paul: Okay, great. So people you can find Jennifer there. And my favorite part about this interview, this isn't even what we were gonna talk about today. So this was completely Jennifer Manatt: No. No. Paul: literally on plan. We were here, the audience gonna laugh. The audience, we were here to talk about AI and Jennifer Manatt: Yeah. Paul: and the AI jobs of the future and how AI is imp impacting employment and construction in the future. And we didn't talk a lick about it because right as we were signing on, Jennifer told me what her consulting firm did. And I think this is one of the most fascinating conversations we've ever had in slump monkey history. So, Jennifer, thank you for diving deep into that. We're gonna have you on a again another time and we'll get into all the AI stuff. Jennifer Manatt: Sounds good. Paul: All right. Thank you once again. This has been an episode of the Slump Monkeys Concrete Podcast. For more information to see the episodes, the blog, and all the fun things, visit us at slumpmonkeys.com. If you Would like to reach out and be a sponsor. reach out directly to me. Admin at slumpmonkeys dot com. That's O N K E Y S. Slumpmonkeys dot com. Thank you, Jennifer. Jennifer Manatt: Thank you.