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Patriots Draft Countdown: WR, QBs and RBs Spotlight Day 4 of Combine, Dane Brugler on Potential Pats Picks and Fits · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: We're coming to you from day four the NFL Scouting
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  Speaker 3: Combine here in Indianapolis. This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented
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  Speaker 3: the workout started last night. Evan, we're really getting into
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  Speaker 3: the meat of the combine. I think for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people they think this is when the combine actually starts.
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  Speaker 3: Like I saw a lot of tweets of like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: the Combine's finally starting Thursday, and like we've been here
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  Speaker 3: for like three days already doing interviews.
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  Speaker 2: But this is when it gets interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly, guys perform well, other guys choose not to work
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  Speaker 3: out as well. We actually got a chance finally we
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  Speaker 3: went and sat inside the what is it the RCA Dome,
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  Speaker 3: not anymore?
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  Speaker 2: What do we call it? Now you've been there before.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're putting me on this spot, Lucas. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: I like blanked as soon as you asked me that question.
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  Speaker 3: I blanked as soon as I thought of it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: pretty cool experience, you know, getting to see it. We
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  Speaker 3: all watch it on television plenty, and so to see
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  Speaker 3: the drills go through it was pretty pretty interesting. So,
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  Speaker 3: just off the top, what were your takeaways from that
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  Speaker 3: first set of workouts with the defensive linemen and linebackers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think obviously when you get into the actual
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  Speaker 4: athletic testing, you don't really need to see that, like
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  Speaker 4: you can just get the number. But it was really
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  Speaker 4: cool to be inside the stadium to watch the drills
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  Speaker 4: on the field.
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  Speaker 2: You just get a different feel for you.
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  Speaker 4: You can hear the pop on the pads and you
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  Speaker 4: can see the footwork a little bit better and that
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  Speaker 4: was cool. And I can understand now if you're a scout,
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  Speaker 4: you have to be there like that, you have to
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  Speaker 4: be able to see it, and there is a difference.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost like a game, right, There is a difference
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  Speaker 4: to being there in person. Now in terms of the workouts,
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  Speaker 4: I think right off the top of the draft, it
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  Speaker 4: was just a little bit disappointing the amount of guys
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  Speaker 4: that didn't work out that are going to be in
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  Speaker 4: the conversation for the Patriots at four. Overall, you know
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  Speaker 4: Abdual Carter, we know about the foot situation, that was
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  Speaker 4: an injury related situation. Mason Graham holding off to his
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  Speaker 4: pro day, Jaylen Walker holding off to his pro day.
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  Speaker 4: MIKEL Williams has a tweak of a hamstring. I believe
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  Speaker 4: it was that caused him to sit out this yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: So all the guys that we were talking about in
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  Speaker 4: terms of that range didn't really participate. The one guy
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  Speaker 4: that maybe we could talk about in that range that
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  Speaker 4: had a great workout was obviously Shamar Stewart from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: A and M.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people were expecting that to happen. And
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  Speaker 4: there's an old someone told me a scouting term, don't
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  Speaker 4: count it twice. So if you knew that Shamar Stewart
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  Speaker 4: was a great athlete, this doesn't make it any right,
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  Speaker 4: Like we already knew he was a unicorn athlete, So
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  Speaker 4: don't count it twice. But at the same time, you
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  Speaker 4: look at the traits, you look at the production in
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  Speaker 4: terms of the advanced metrics like pressures and disruption and
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  Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. He didn't have the sacks,
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  Speaker 4: but he had all of that in his favor. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe a little rich at four overall for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 4: but if they do execute a trade down, I think
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  Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart in the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've also got an interview coming up with
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  Speaker 3: Dan Brugler, who provided a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: Insight on Shamar Stewart.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously an outstanding day for him that certainly improved his
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  Speaker 3: status today. We've moved on in the interview portion, at
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  Speaker 3: least with wide receivers and the running backs and the
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks as well.
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  Speaker 2: Teed McMillan another piece, not going to run.
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  Speaker 3: That was something I was kind of interested to see
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  Speaker 3: and probably not surprising that he chose to delay that
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  Speaker 3: or perhaps put it off entirely. But we did get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to talk to some of these receiver options.
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  Speaker 3: Not a great class this year, and again Dane provide
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more insight on that as well. What'll
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  Speaker 3: your takeaways here from this morning with the wide receivers
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  Speaker 3: and the running backs.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely disappointed and honestly, like small Sea, concerned that Teed
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  Speaker 4: McMillan doesn't want to run here at the combine. That
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  Speaker 4: signals to me that some of the concerns about his
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  Speaker 4: top end speed and explosiveness might be legitimate. If he
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  Speaker 4: goes out, like Dane said, and runs a four or
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  Speaker 4: five five, then that's going to hurt his stock, and
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't want to do that. If he knew he
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  Speaker 4: was gonna run well and kind of take people by
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  Speaker 4: surprise there, then he'd be running. So that's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of a concern to me. I already had some
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  Speaker 4: concerns with him in terms of that on tape that
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  Speaker 4: he's not exactly the most dynamic mover, and yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: got great body control and great size, but you worry
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  Speaker 4: about separation, especially second third level separation with Ted McMillan,
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  Speaker 4: that maybe it's a little bit rich, you know, for
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  Speaker 4: four overall for that type of player. The other guys
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  Speaker 4: that I thought were impressive were maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 4: further down the board that we can get to as well,
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  Speaker 4: but just off the top again, like I still don't
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  Speaker 4: really understand what's going on with Luther Burden and why
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  Speaker 4: he seems to be falling out of the first round,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of mock drafts and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: I still see him as a really talented player, top twenty,
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  Speaker 4: top twenty five talent in this class.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see what he does.
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  Speaker 4: I believe he is going to test and maybe he
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  Speaker 4: has a great workout on Saturday and that changes everything
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  Speaker 4: for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so really deep running back class this year. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people have been talking and about. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: asked in gent from Poise State atop the list. Another
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  Speaker 3: guy that kind of had that Georgia I'm already in
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  Speaker 3: the league vibe as well, would point him out. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's some good depth and there's just
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  Speaker 3: it seems to me like this is a great year.
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  Speaker 3: Third round, fourth round, take a flyer on one of
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  Speaker 3: these guys. Patriots obviously have two running backs under contract
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  Speaker 3: as of right now with ramondre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty good place to start, but I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: spot that they could still probably use some reinforcements in
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  Speaker 3: some young depth.
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  Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and this definitely feels like a third
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  Speaker 4: or fourth round pick. They have those two third rounders
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  Speaker 4: and then another pick at the top of the fourth
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  Speaker 4: round where you can find at least an RB one
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  Speaker 4: and a half right like a b you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: a Remondre Stevenson being your a back in the committee.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're necessarily gonna find Ashton
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  Speaker 4: Gentry is kind of like, you know, a lead back
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  Speaker 4: right that's gonna be a cornerstone of your offense. But
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  Speaker 4: in third or fourth round, you can get a really solid,
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  Speaker 4: you know, backup running back to Remandre or even somebody
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  Speaker 4: that can push Formandre if he doesn't fix the fumbling
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  Speaker 4: issues and ball security concerns. A couple of guys that
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  Speaker 4: stand out to me and I'm looking forward to watching
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  Speaker 4: a workout. Quin Shawn Jenkins from Ohio State, I think
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  Speaker 4: is a really fun player, really explosive player, can catch
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  Speaker 4: the ball out of the backfield too and use that
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  Speaker 4: dynamic moving ability all over the field. I dislike those
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  Speaker 4: types of guys at that spot, like they kind of
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  Speaker 4: have a road grader with Hermandre guy that's going to
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  Speaker 4: pick up the tough yards and run the ball between
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  Speaker 4: the tackles. So adding somebody with some juice might might
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  Speaker 4: be something that is appealing. And then Devin Neil from
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  Speaker 4: from Kansas, I think is a guy that if you
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  Speaker 4: want to go more power back raable style but has
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  Speaker 4: some juice to get the edge. And I had a
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  Speaker 4: really great workout at the Senior Bowl or practice week
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  Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl. So those were a couple guys
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  Speaker 4: that stood out to me at the podiums. And then
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  Speaker 4: you know with Neil down in Mobile a couple of
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  Speaker 4: months ago. So I look at those two guys as
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  Speaker 4: a nice possibility for the Patriots there. Yeah, Patriots quarterback
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  Speaker 4: not a need necessarily, but do have to mention should
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  Speaker 4: Her Sanders cam Ward.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Shoulders look great. They were fantastic. I think
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  Speaker 3: they should go one two right draft. Somebody needs. I
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  Speaker 3: mean the way Shitur Sanders was talking, it was the
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  Speaker 3: confidence of his father.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was the Dion Sanders. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I heard him say history repeats itself and I've you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're restored two programs and I'll be able to do
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  Speaker 3: that in the NFL as well. He does not lack
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  Speaker 3: confidence at all. I enjoyed listening to him talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was fun to listen to.
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  Speaker 4: And I was actually talking to somebody about these two
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  Speaker 4: quarterbacks and we were talking about Josh Allen and how
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen has broken all of our brains when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to a valleying quarterbacks, And we kind of talked
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  Speaker 4: ourselves into Drake May in the same sense because you
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  Speaker 4: feel like you can fix mechanics a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: now than maybe we felt five ten years ago because
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  Speaker 4: of guys like Josh Allen, and I look at a
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  Speaker 4: player like cam Ward and think there's so much raw
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  Speaker 4: tools there and upside with his arm talent, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: if you get him more refined like a Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 4: like a Drake May, you know he's gonna blossom into
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  Speaker 4: the league into a great quarterback. Whereas with Shador, I
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  Speaker 4: see like a four quarterback, Like I see a guy
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  Speaker 4: that already has all that because he's been coached by
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  Speaker 4: his father his entire life, and Tom Brady a little
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  Speaker 4: bit too, and like he already has all those details
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  Speaker 4: in minutia. So now you worry about Kenny, how much
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  Speaker 4: better is he really going to get at the next level,
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  Speaker 4: because he's kind of tapped out a little bit. But
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  Speaker 4: you will feel really comfortable about him stepping in, handling
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  Speaker 4: the spotlight, handling what the pressure that comes with being
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  Speaker 4: a franchise quarterback and being good enough that if he's
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  Speaker 4: surrounded by enough weapons if he goes to the Giants
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  Speaker 4: and he has Molikue neighbors and they keep stacking talent
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  Speaker 4: on that roster, then you could see him being an
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  Speaker 4: effective point guard of an offense. I'm just not sure
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  Speaker 4: he's an elevator of an offense, but he might be
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  Speaker 4: an elevator of a culture, which is what he tried
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  Speaker 4: to tell us when he said that he fixed two programs.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give him Jackson State, like Colorado. You know, they're
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  Speaker 4: much better than they were. I don't know if he
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  Speaker 4: fixed Colorado, Like we're not in college football playoffs or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that in Boulder, but I can see where
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  Speaker 4: he's coming from.
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  Speaker 3: So we had an opportunity to sit down with Dane
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  Speaker 3: Brugler from The Athletic, who writes the Huge Monster of
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  Speaker 3: the Beast, appropriately named that we all excitedly wait for.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately it comes out in like April, so
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  Speaker 3: you feel like you kind of know everything and then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you just get this huge bible
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  Speaker 3: dropped on you with so much detail, and it's I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a great kind of finishing touch to the draft.
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  Speaker 3: So really cool to get your opportunity to sit down
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  Speaker 3: with Dane here's what he had to say. All right,
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  Speaker 3: we're excited to be joined now by Dan Brugler from
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  Speaker 3: the Athletic the producer and what do you call you like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just an author.
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  Speaker 3: It's more than that of the Beast, which we all
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  Speaker 3: wait for every year, and you know, we're all so
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  Speaker 3: grateful for all the hard work you put in.
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  Speaker 2: I got to start off with the question I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you get, just what is.
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  Speaker 3: Your process like over the course of the year putting
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  Speaker 3: that big the Beast together?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it takes the full year, and even more so
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  Speaker 5: than that because inevitably you pick up different tidbits for
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  Speaker 5: the future class.
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  Speaker 6: And so yeah, it's a process.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, at my heart, I'm a draft fan,
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  Speaker 5: so I want to make something that I would want
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  Speaker 5: to read and consume and really enjoy, and so detail
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  Speaker 5: is too small. I'm a big believer in to know
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  Speaker 5: where these guys are headed, you need to know where
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  Speaker 5: they came from and so understand their journey, understand everything
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  Speaker 5: that got them to this point the doorstep of the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: and that helps you understand them as people. And then
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  Speaker 5: of course the analysis part, you know, just making sure
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  Speaker 5: you're studying the tape, talking to scouts, talking to teams,
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  Speaker 5: understanding what they do well it'll translate what won't translate.
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  Speaker 6: So certainly a process.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, we're down to this last month, which gives
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  Speaker 5: me anxiety to think about. But yeah, excited to share
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  Speaker 5: it with everybody here at early April.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're excited to get it for sure. Just from
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  Speaker 3: a Patriots perspective. Fourth overall, I think we're all kind
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  Speaker 3: of in the same position where we're you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: Hunter or Carter to fall, probably not. Does will Campbell
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  Speaker 3: make sense? There is there someone else? Is there a
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  Speaker 3: trade down? I mean it's last year was so straightforward
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  Speaker 3: with quarterback at three.
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  Speaker 2: Now it seems a little bit more uncertainty.
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on the Patriots position A fourth overall?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think I think there's a very good
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  Speaker 5: chance the cam Ward is the number one pick, if
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  Speaker 5: where we are right now, with what we know right now, I.
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  Speaker 6: Think he's the favorite to be that number one pick.
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  Speaker 6: Now to who who? You know?
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  Speaker 5: It could be the Titans, could be the Giants, could
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  Speaker 5: be another team. And then after that it gets interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think the Browns one out of there.
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  Speaker 5: I think they'd love the trade back. Do they have
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  Speaker 5: a trade partner? Who knows? But I would agree with
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  Speaker 5: you that the chances of Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 5: falling before are probably not great.
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  Speaker 6: They're not probably not high.
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  Speaker 5: And then, okay, what direction do you pivot and say
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  Speaker 5: you can't trade back, say you're stuck at four. Is
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  Speaker 5: there an offensive lineman you love enough to take a four?
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  Speaker 5: Whether that's Will Campbell from LSU? Could you take armand
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  Speaker 5: Membu from Missouri that early? Which of these offensive linemen
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  Speaker 5: do you like the best? And then besides the offensive line,
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  Speaker 5: is there someone else? Could it be a mc A
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  Speaker 5: team Maac from Arizona, who unfortunately is not gonna be working.
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  Speaker 6: Out here this week.
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  Speaker 5: But could it be another one of those players that
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  Speaker 5: you feel like, all right, we drop him into our
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  Speaker 5: on our team and he's gonna make the biggest impact
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  Speaker 5: for us.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: We can get caught up too much in need and
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  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, of course need more help a receiver.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, they only need more help on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: When you're drafting top five, you can't think like that.
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  Speaker 5: You have to think about for the next four or
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  Speaker 5: five years. Who's going to make the greatest impact. That
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  Speaker 5: could be a pass rusher, that could be somebody else
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  Speaker 5: on the defensive line. So for the Patriots, you just
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  Speaker 5: you got to list your top four players in this
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  Speaker 5: draft who are going to impact your roster for the
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  Speaker 5: next five years. You're guaranteed to get one of those guys,
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  Speaker 5: and yeah, it'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about you mentioned t Max
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  Speaker 4: not going to work out. It seems like that's that's
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  Speaker 4: pretty prevalent right now, especially with the top guys in
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  Speaker 4: this draft. You feel like it's more than it's been
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  Speaker 4: in the past. And what are teams saying about the
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  Speaker 4: future of this event in terms of the athletic testing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was talking with the scout yesterday about this
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  Speaker 5: and he seemed very confident that, you know, because there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of players that do want to work out.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of players that look at this as
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  Speaker 5: an opportunity to just go show out and show what
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  Speaker 5: they can do. Because there's the peak athletes, the top
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  Speaker 5: guys at each position, should I think feel like they
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  Speaker 5: have a little bit of leverage where I can only hurt.
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  Speaker 6: Myself, you know, an ash and Gentee tea Mac.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if T Mac goes out there, it runs
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  Speaker 5: a four or five five, you know, is he hurting
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  Speaker 5: himself at that point? But you know, there's there's different
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  Speaker 5: ways to think about it, because what happens when you
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  Speaker 5: go to your pro day and you have a stomach
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  Speaker 5: bug that morning. You know what happens when maybe just
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  Speaker 5: you don't have your best day, you stumble whatever, like
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  Speaker 5: you're putting all your eggs in that basket.
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  Speaker 6: And this is a fast track here in Indy. So
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  Speaker 6: the chance to go out there and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, even if it's not the greatest time, hey just
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  Speaker 5: cross it off, check the box, move on. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, teams aren't going to adjust their
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  Speaker 5: rankings based off of the littlest changes in your forty
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  Speaker 5: yard dash. If you know, if you like T Mac,
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  Speaker 5: you know you've seen him, so you know he's not
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  Speaker 5: gonna run a four to three.
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  Speaker 6: You know he's probably a four or five two athlete
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  Speaker 6: and that's fine. You know T.
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  Speaker 5: Higgins was a four or five nine athlete in his
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  Speaker 5: forty yard dash, right, So it's more about focusing on
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  Speaker 5: the strengths, what they do well and why you love
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  Speaker 5: teamac as a receiver, it's not necessarily the speed, it's
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  Speaker 5: his ability to be a ball winner. It's the flexibility
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  Speaker 5: and the fluidity that he has in and out of
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  Speaker 5: his breaks at the catch point. Nobody over the last
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: two years and college football has more catches of twenty
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: plus yards than te Mac And so he's a guy
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: that's super talented. The production is there. I think he's
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: a top ten pick in this class when you just
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: focus on the players available this year. Would the Patriots
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: take him as early as four? I think at least
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: should be in the conversation.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Before we get a little bit deeper.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: I did want to ask you about Mason Graham and
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: yesterday weighs in he's only about two hundred ninety six pounds,
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: which checks out a little bit better than the three
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: to twenty I think that they had at Michigan.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: But I heard you on the radio in Boston.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: I think it was on the Sports Hub in Boston
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: saying he's not necessarily at Quentin Williams level prospect, but
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: he's really good. And where do you kind of fall
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: on Mason Graham? And do you still see him going
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: as early as four after the weigh ins and stuff.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the combine is not made for a
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: guy like Mason Graham, you know, because he doesn't have
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: the ideal body type. His arms are a little bit shorter.
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: You know, he's not working out, which I don't I
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: think he would have been fine. I don't think he
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: would have blown it up at all. He's a guy
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: that you watch the tape and you're like, all right,
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: good football player, you know, but is he a Quinn
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Williams ascend a type of guy that's going to make
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: turn your defensive line from good to great. That's where
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: you know, I think there's a little bit of a
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: question mark. And ideally, if you're picking a defensive tackle
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: top five, that's who you want. But you know what,
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: you can't force something that's not there. And in this class,
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Mason Graham is one of the best, you know, seven
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: players in the draft. And so even though he might
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: not be a Quinn Williams type of impact prospect, he's
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: still a good player. I mean, you watch the film
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: and I don't think I don't know how he could
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: come away from watching his film and say, eh, he's okay.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Like he is a he consistently disrupts, and you see
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: that with the block deconstruction, former wrestling. The leverage. He's
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: a leverage monster, I mean, the only way to describe him.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: So he can win with quickness, win with power. There's
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: just a lot to like about the way he plays
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: when he suits up on game.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Day this week, there'll be risers, followers.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll kind of regroup after this as we
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: get to the Patriots' second round pick down there, do
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: you feel like, where's the value going to be?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: What positions?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Do you have a sense of what might get kind
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: of pushed down as maybe certain guys come up, certain
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: guys fall. I know it's hard to say right at
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: this point, but I think that's what we're looking at
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: with that in the second pick.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Right, I think defensive line, because it's a deep defensive
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: line group and not all of them are going to
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: go in the first round, so there will be plenty
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: of guys. You know, in Alfred Collins from from Texas
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: who didn't have a great vertical, but you know once
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: you watch the film and he's just consistently disruptive. He's
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: six five, three hundred and thirty five pounds really long,
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: So a guy like that who maybe doesn't go in
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: the first but he's gonna be there in the second
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of those defensive linemen that
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: will be there where you could really bolster your depth
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: and get a good player in this second round. Receivers tough,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: because you know, let's just say the Patriots go defensive
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: line in the first what receivers are going to be
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: there for you in the early second round? Usually we're
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: so we're spoiled with too many receivers every year. This
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: year is a little bit of the opposite. Say four
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: receivers go first round. Let's say it's t Mac, It's Golden.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: It's like Buca and Travis Hunter, or and Burdon Luther Burton.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Who's is there somebody else that you love in this class?
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: At Jalen Royals, Jayden Higgins. I love Jalen Noel, But
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: are any of those guys worth the pick in the
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: early second round? That's something that I think the Patriots
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: might struggle with finding a guy that they I mean,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: we could say they struggle with it last year at
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: the top of the second round, finding a guy that
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: you know you'll point to and say, oh, yeah, this
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: is this is the guy we need for our offense.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely look at their receiver position a little bit.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I think we're all kind of expecting trenches from the Patriots.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: That's when all of their decision makers have been telling
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: us for a couple months now. So assuming like let's
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: say they go offensive line defensive line with their first
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: two picks. Is there any third fourth round receivers that
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you see as fits?
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Jack Besh would would fit with he
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: just think of he seems like a like verbal guy.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: The toughness of physicality, the way he plays, the mindset
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: like Jack Besh would be a really good fit.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: I mentioned Jalen Noel. I think he's gonna run really
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: well here.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: He's not the biggest guy, he's you know, five nine
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and a half under two hundred pounds, but he can
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: win vertically. He can win on quick hitters and then
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: be a threat after the catch. A big fan of
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Noel and what he brings, and if he were to
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: make it to the third round, I would love that fit,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: even though again not do's another size, but he can
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: still get open and make plays.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Elika aoman or from Stanford. He's interesting.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: You know, he's still relatively new to football, still learning
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. But he's built well, he
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: has talent. Eager to see what he runs, because on
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: tape he looks more like a four or five guy.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: But you know what, if he were able to get
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: into four fours, that might change the thinking with him
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: about Okay, is he a late third brunder, Maybe take
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: an early third round.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: But he's there.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: There's a lot to like with Ao Minor when you
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: get to after the first two rounds.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that great game against Travis Hunter a couple of
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: years ago, and that that's one of the best wide
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: receiver tapes I've seen out of any of these guys
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: in this class.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And you saw it all in there. You saw speed,
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: just a physicality. You know he was at the podium,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: is actually talking about that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Oh oh you're getting put on the spot for you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Come back in about ten minutes.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, I've already had something enough.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you. The timing of that was impeccable.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: As always, as always as they got us last year live,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: we harked him down. But well, we'll keep it just
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: to the beast at this point. Just any other players
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: that stand out to your personal favorites, guys that he
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: just really enjoy kind of watching this offseason.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Well, Carson Schwessinger, the linebacker from UCLA, is one of
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: my favorites.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: It's just speeding instincts.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: You know, if that sounds okay for you in a linebacker,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: you're gonna like Carson Schwessinger. And maybe just recency bias
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: because you know, in the stadium last night watching those
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: guys work out, it was fun to see Schimour Stewart work.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: That guy is the freak of all the freaks.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: The rumor they're gonna name the combine after him after
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: what he did yesterday. I made one five eight ten
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: yard split at that size is ridiculous.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Von Miller's ten yard split was one five nine.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: So just a context of how that burst and that
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: elite get off and you saw that at a senior bowl,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: saw that on tape.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: All the talk's gonna be about one and a half sacks.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: I get it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: But when you watch the tape, you see a more
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: productive player because he's able to h make the quarterback
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: move his feet, be disruptive and yeah, do you want
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: him to get sacks. Of course, But if you're being
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: disruptive and you're affecting the backfield action, then you're doing
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: your job as a pass rusher. And so Schmart Stewart
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: does that consistently. And that's why I think when it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: all said and on, he's going to be somewhere in
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: the top fifteen picks.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: It's just a matter of, you know, how high does
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: he go.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you one last one and then
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: we'll let you go. Tight end.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I feel like in this class we talked a lot
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: about wide receiver and how it's not as great of
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: a class, how much you know one how much are
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: people talking about, well, maybe we should just take Tyler
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Warren instead of you know, drafting a receiver in the
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: top ten And to who are some of those day
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: to day three tight ends that you like?
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you could make a case, you know, say there's
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: only twelve thirteen first runk grades in this year, this class.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: You could make a case that, you know, Warren's one
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: of them. You make a case Colson Lovelin from Michigan
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: is one of them. Again, it should come down to
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: who's going to impact your offense the most. And if
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: you come away thinking that it could be Tyler Warren,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: then hey, you owe it to yourselves to at least
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: consider that possibility, even though a tight end that early
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: definitely feels rich. But this is a unique draft class,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: very unique, and it's ironic. You know, last year was
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: so deep and a guy like Brock Bauers, who was
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: a top five talent in that class, falls.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: All the way to thirteen.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: But this year, you know, it's just not as deep,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: and a guy like Tyler Warren, who in Colston Lovelin,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: they're not quite Brock Bowers, but there still can impact
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the game. One of the reasons not to take a
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: tight end early.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Is because it is deep.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Mason Arroyo or Mason Taylor, Elijah Royo, big fan of
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Gunner Helm from Texas. I think all those those three
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: guys are all starters in the NFL. I think Harold
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: fan and Junior is on his way. Not as immediate
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: for him, but you know, you don't catch one hundred
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: and seventeen balls in college football in a single season,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: and if you're not a talented receiver. So and then
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: even in the Day three, Terrence Ferguson from Oregon is
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: a really good player. It's a position that will stretch.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: And as much as I like Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: It's kind of the reason, like, hey, well let's get
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: our offensive tackle now, let's get our defensive lineman now,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: and we can wait on tight end because we know
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: the caliber a player that will be there for us
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: rounds two, three, and four.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: How do you get the birthdays?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: That's because that's always you Google how old is somebody?
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And it's never right or it's never accurate. Like that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: my number one question about.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: Talk to the player.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I talked to the straight goes straight to the horse's
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: mouth and say, hey, h twenty three in August, right
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: twenty second?
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: Yep, okay, perfectly, because that's you know, that's it. Yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: you would think it'd be more or easier.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: A lot of schools make it easy on you, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: because they have them and you can trust those. But yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I've learned over the years, Google is not the most
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: reliable when it comes to the birth dates for the prospects.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Clarious. Well, Tim, we'll let you get back to the beast.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you got work to do. Thanks so much
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: for sitting down with me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Sound thanks, guys, appreciate it all.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Right, So enjoy talking to dam and can't wait to
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: get that Beast, and if you have, if you don't
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: subscribe to the Athletic, I think the Beast is pretty
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: much worth it on its own, Like you don't even
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: need anything else into the about a five hundred page document,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: but it's going to do it for us here at
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the combine. But Devan's still plenty more going on after
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: where boots off the ground. The workouts will continue, You'll
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: continue to do some write ups on that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Just looking forward here to the weekend.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Of course, Will Campbell's arm link, Baby, that's gonna be
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the big one we're all waiting for.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But what else are you looking forward to?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Interested to watch over the next couple of days as
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: all these guys test out.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yesterday or on Thursday. All these days are blending
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: together at this point. But on Thursday, Travis Hunter did
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: say that he's going to work out with the dB,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: so I am interested to see what he does and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: how he tests and all those types of things. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I'm curious if he then comes back on Saturday and
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: runs routes. I don't know how they're gonna do that,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: so that would be interesting. So I'm definitely looking forward
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: to him and this tight end class. Like This tight
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: end class is gonna put on an absolute show. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we talked to Dan about it. Is there an argument
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: for Tyler Warren? Is there an argument in a trade
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: down maybe more realistically for Colston Lovelin that no, you
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: can't get the Marvin Harrison junior the Malik neighbors in
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: this class at the wide receiver position, but you can't
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: get brock Bowers right, Like, you know, is there that
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: case to be made that that's a more effective route
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots to find that dictating past catcher number
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: one receiver?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And I can always say, like we had Gronk, like
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't like look at the number one right yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: and say, oh, like you can't build it through a
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: tight end when we know very well in New England
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that you can.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see those guys as well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: All right, well, that's gonna be a rap from the combine,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: But believe me, we are just getting started. I know
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: this week we'll have a free agency preview video coming out,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Paul Perlo will join us, and I think Evan, your
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: first mock draft is gonna.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Courr this week. Post combine mock.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: There we go, right, so all the movers and follers
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and shakers, Evan's got a finger on the pulse of
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: all of that. So again, the draft is rapidly approaching,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: as this free agency. But we've got you covered. Plenty
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: of content coming your way. Stick with us all spring.