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Credlin | 21 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: You've just seen their breaking news out of the Vatican
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Speaker 3: that Pope Francis, eighty eight year old Pontiff has died.
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Speaker 2: Of course, this is huge news for Catholics.
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Speaker 3: Right around the world, and it's in and amongst the
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Speaker 3: Holy Festival of East. We'll come back with any more
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Speaker 3: news we can get for you out of Italy. A
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Speaker 3: little ladder in the show is what's coming up on
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Speaker 3: Kredline with another week in the polls pointing to a
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Speaker 3: labor minority governments. You only have to look at labors
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Speaker 3: how to vote cards to know Albany's in band have
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Speaker 3: already done a secret deal.
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Speaker 2: Now those how to vote cards do not lie.
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Speaker 3: I'll expose what's on them in a moment. So called
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Speaker 3: comedian well his social media rans against Peter Dutton or
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Speaker 3: anything but funny. Hundreds of thousands of dollars been paid
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Speaker 3: to him by Climate two hundred.
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Speaker 2: Well, the jig is well.
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Speaker 3: Until the South noon, he's been madly trying to delete
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Speaker 3: what we've discovered. That telegraphs James Willison that exclusive report
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Speaker 3: coming up last the bombshell FOI request that finally exposes
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Speaker 3: four and a half years on Daniel Andrew's COVID curfew
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Speaker 3: was a lie. Now he tried to block it all
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Speaker 3: the way to the Supreme Court, but he lost. So
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Speaker 3: will this impact his best mate Anthony Albanesi? And while
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Speaker 3: the BM was cocky today, Peter Dutton says there's plenty
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Speaker 3: of the fight left.
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Speaker 2: In the leaps.
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Speaker 4: We are the underdog Prime Minister believes that he's won
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Speaker 4: this election, that he's lining up for number three. But
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of Astrainers will be asking themselves, well,
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Speaker 4: has Anthony ALBERANIZI really made my life easier?
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Speaker 3: Today's News poll confirms it. With early voting opening tomorrow
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Speaker 3: in less than two weeks now until polling day, the
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Speaker 3: most likely outcome is a labor minority government. So Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanisi back in the lodge and Adam Bant two, perhaps
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Speaker 3: some Teals as well with the whip hand. Now, I
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Speaker 3: can't think of anything worse for our country. The Teals
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Speaker 3: or they're basically Gucci Greens who pretend they're independent but
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Speaker 3: operate as any party does. Now the Adam Bant mob, well,
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Speaker 3: today they're Marxists, aren't they a long way away from
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Speaker 3: the environmental tree huggers that the Green started out as
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Speaker 3: in the nineteen seventies. It's hard not to be despondent
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Speaker 3: for the future of our country. Yet there's still a
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Speaker 3: fortnight left, and as the saying goes, even a week
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Speaker 3: is a long time in politics, let alone too. News
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Speaker 3: poll today reinforces the previous two polls. It had Labor
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Speaker 3: ahead fifty two forty eight or two party preferred, slightly
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Speaker 3: improving its primary vote, albeit of an historically low base.
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Speaker 3: While this pole has Peter Dutton a better place to
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Speaker 3: defend the nation and to grow the economy, overall, his
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Speaker 3: approval numbers are down, as is his better PM rating.
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Speaker 2: A part of.
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Speaker 3: The problem of Dutton I suspect is that everyone who's
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Speaker 3: fed up with the Albanezy government is desperately disappointed that
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Speaker 3: the opposition isn't landing more blows Dunton, though he's not
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Speaker 3: ready to throw in the towel, having been there in
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Speaker 3: twenty ten and twenty nineteen when the Libs were behind
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Speaker 3: but did better than anyone expected.
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Speaker 4: I pointed out before in twenty nineteen, I think there
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Speaker 4: was a big undercurrent of anger against the then government
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Speaker 4: or the then opposition than people realize. And I think
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Speaker 4: that's the case against the now government as well. That's
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Speaker 4: the reality. We've got a long way to go between
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Speaker 4: now and then. And I think Australians who are looking
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Speaker 4: at are they better off today than they were three
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Speaker 4: years ago? I think people, frankly, certainly the ones we've
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Speaker 4: met across the country would be saying, actually, you know what,
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Speaker 4: our lives are much harder today.
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Speaker 3: Albert easy Well, one look at him today and he
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Speaker 3: was as cocky as we've ever seen him. Out came
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Speaker 3: that Medicare card again, even though it's a lie that
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Speaker 3: the Medicare cards all you need to see a doctor.
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Speaker 3: Most of us, there's always an out of pocket cost,
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Speaker 3: something that even the doctor groups caught him out on last.
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Speaker 5: Week, fifty billion dollars of cuts to health. We know
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Speaker 5: that the Liberal Party don't believe that anyone values things
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Speaker 5: which are free. They don't need their credit card, they
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Speaker 5: just need their Medicare card.
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Speaker 2: But that's not his only shameless lie.
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Speaker 5: A coalition that needs to find carps for its six
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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollar nuclear plan. When polling bars open tomorrow,
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Speaker 5: say where the money is coming from for this six
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Speaker 5: hundred billion dollar nuclear plan.
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Speaker 3: Six hundred billionaire says, and where does that costing come from?
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Speaker 3: Not from official government sources. I can tell you. I
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Speaker 3: wrote that in the Australian newspaper last week. It comes
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Speaker 3: from an outfit called Smart Energy Council. Not so smart either.
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Speaker 3: It's linked to Simon Holmes the Court and it's chocol
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Speaker 3: block full of ex labors staff is at the same
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Speaker 3: time as it's registered as a charity.
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Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break.
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Speaker 3: Something that my colleague Andrew Klanell had labor bother boy Murray,
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Speaker 3: what on the ropes about?
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Speaker 6: Yesterday the Independent Science Agency of this country, the CSIRO,
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Speaker 6: as well as the Australian Energy Market operator that runs
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Speaker 6: the energy grid both said that the cheapest way for
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Speaker 6: Australia to meet its power needs in the future is
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Speaker 6: through renewables. We haven't engaged some consultant to give us
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Speaker 6: the advice that we were seeking. This is the independent agencies.
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Speaker 7: What's six hundred bion based on it?
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Speaker 6: So that's come from the Smart Energy Council, who are
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Speaker 6: experts in this field and have calculated the total cost
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Speaker 6: at six hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 8: It hasn't come from the CSIRO, it hasn't come from
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Speaker 8: an official body.
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Speaker 7: It's come from a lobby group.
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Speaker 3: Smart Energy Council is a lobby group. It's an energy
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Speaker 3: renewables lobby group funded in part for more of these
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Speaker 3: people making money out of renewable energy. And as I said,
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Speaker 3: chock a block full of ex labor staffers. So this
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Speaker 3: six hundred billion dollar figure is a labor lie and
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Speaker 3: it matters because it's been planted on billboards right around
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Speaker 3: the country and on flyers being shoved into your letterbox.
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Speaker 2: As we speak. And yet is the Prime Minister interested
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Speaker 2: in the truth? No is not. He couldn't lie straight.
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Speaker 7: In bed photos with everyone. Okay in the.
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Speaker 5: Middle, I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off
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Speaker 5: the stage, just one leg went down. But I was
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Speaker 5: I was sweet.
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Speaker 2: He even lies when it comes to who he barracks for.
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Speaker 5: They'd LOLd of the Hawks because you can't change teams.
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Speaker 7: So no bandwagon, Absolutely not.
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Speaker 5: I've been expand for many decades.
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Speaker 2: Give it up, elbow, no one's buying it.
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Speaker 5: Liberal canber.
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Speaker 2: Give me a break.
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Speaker 3: There are so many issues large and small. When labor
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Speaker 3: is vulnerable in this campaign. Now in the great scheme
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Speaker 3: of things. It's not a lot of money. But what
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Speaker 3: was the Labor National Executive doing, as discussed here with
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Speaker 3: Claire Chandler on Thursday, rubber stamping a fake pre selection
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Speaker 3: to disendorse Lyons MP Brian Mitchell so he could then
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Speaker 3: claim a taxpayer funded payouts.
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Speaker 9: Brian Mitchell said that he was more than happy to
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Speaker 9: step aside and allow the former State Labor leader Rebecca
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Speaker 9: White run as the Federal member for Lines. But what
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Speaker 9: we now find out is that a pre selection process
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Speaker 9: has taken place by the Labor National Executive which the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi sits on and mister Mitchell apparently
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Speaker 9: put his hand up for this pre selection and it
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Speaker 9: was competitive against Ms White. Was mister Mitch standing aside
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Speaker 9: to allow Miss White to run or has the Labor
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Speaker 9: Party fabricated some kind of pre selection process in consultation
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Speaker 9: with the Prime Minister to enable mister Mitchell to pocket
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Speaker 9: this one hundred and fifteen thousand dollar tax payer payout.
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Speaker 3: All for that one hundred thousand dollars payout? What about
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Speaker 3: the trickiness last week too or negative gearing the PM
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Speaker 3: denying that Labor had done any work on dumping negative
8:24
Speaker 3: gearing when the Treasurer had already conceded last year that
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Speaker 3: they had. Then there's that infamous lie about cutting your
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Speaker 3: power bills, and then over the weekend another one about
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Speaker 3: Russians trying to build a base in Indonesia and who
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Speaker 3: knew what?
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Speaker 6: And when the opposition is asking for a briefing on
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Speaker 6: something that doesn't exist, I mean they might as well
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Speaker 6: ask for a briefing on the Locknest monster. This is
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Speaker 6: something that doesn't exist that they fabricated. Peter Dutton ran
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Speaker 6: his mouth off and started verbaling and accusing the Indonesian president.
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Speaker 5: What the Russia wants to propaganda to be promoted by Australians.
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Speaker 5: Of course they want propaganda and Russia engages in that.
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Speaker 5: What I do know is it last week the alternative
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister of Australia verbaled the President of Indonesia.
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Speaker 2: Hubris and deception. All this government does is lie when
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Speaker 2: it's under pressure. Show me where they've.
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Speaker 3: Made a promise and then kept it. Show me where
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Speaker 3: Australians are better off after three years of Almit easy labor.
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Speaker 2: Because you can't. That's the truth of it.
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Speaker 3: Seriously, I can't fathom how anyone could elect them again.
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Speaker 3: But if something big doesn't happen in the final two
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Speaker 3: weeks of the campaign, then that's where we are headed.
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Speaker 2: If you think.
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Speaker 3: Labor hasn't already done a deal with the Greens, despite
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Speaker 3: what the Prime Minister says, then think again. Here's the
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Speaker 3: official Labor Party how to vote cards, quietly uploaded to
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Speaker 3: their websites ahead of early voting to morrow. Here's the
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Speaker 3: PM seed of Graindler. He's number one on the ticket,
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Speaker 3: but number two it's the Greens. Here's the Melbourne seats
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Speaker 3: of Melbourne Labor. There Sarah Whittish, she's number one. Who's
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Speaker 3: number two, Well, none other than the Greens leader Adam Bant.
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Speaker 3: Here's the Victorian marginal seat of Kranka Mine, Labor again
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Speaker 3: preferencing the Greens. In the number two spot, Tony Burke,
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Speaker 3: well he's back in the Greens and number two as well.
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Speaker 3: Right across the country and seat after seat, Alban Izink
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Speaker 3: is giving band Labour's top preference. And in the tail
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Speaker 3: seats of Wentworth and Cougyong, of course, Labour's preferencing them surprise, surprise.
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Speaker 3: It goes to show just how green they really are.
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Speaker 9: I'm standing on integrity, signed my.
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Speaker 8: Petition for a second coed public high school in the East.
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Speaker 2: I'm a renewable energy advocate.
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Speaker 10: Authorized by Skellen Better Australia, Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Such frauds.
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Speaker 3: Let's check check in with the two campaigns today. We'll
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Speaker 3: start a course with Labor joining me in. Our political
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Speaker 3: reporter Julia Bradley, Julia, welcome the PM nd of this afternoon,
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Speaker 3: of course down in Victoria in the seat of McNamara,
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Speaker 3: but he spent the morning in Gilmore.
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Speaker 2: Bit of a frosty reception. What can you tell us.
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Speaker 11: It was, Peter, Really a tale of two states for
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Speaker 11: Anthony Albanezi today the reception has been pretty warm this
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Speaker 11: afternoon while campaigning in Melbourne, including that Liberal seat of Menzies,
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Speaker 11: but also the Labor held seat of McNamara. However, very
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Speaker 11: different story on the New South Wales South coast this
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Speaker 11: morning when he was campaigning in Gilmore, which the Liberal
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Speaker 11: Party is heavily heavily targeting. Now he was there sprooking
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Speaker 11: Labour's plan to invest in urgent care clinics. We're at
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Speaker 11: the Bateman's Bay Hospital, but several protests erupted, not directly
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Speaker 11: targeting the PM. But once he left and already held
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Speaker 11: that press conference, one woman really unhappy with the state
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Speaker 11: of housing in that region. To others though, really unhappy
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Speaker 11: about the plan to relocate the emergency department at that
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Speaker 11: hospital further south to Maruya. And that's part of a
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Speaker 11: multimillion dollar plan to build a new hospital down there.
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Speaker 11: But these two men telling me that should not happen.
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Speaker 11: It should remain at Bateman's Bay. There's need for it there.
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Speaker 11: It shouldn't be twenty minutes further away. Now, this was
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Speaker 11: part of a decision made under the former state Liberal
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Speaker 11: government of which Andrew Constance was a member. Andrew Constance
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Speaker 11: running for the Liberal Parties federally there in Gilmore. But
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Speaker 11: he says, and the protest to say, it's now on
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Speaker 11: labor to fix this, consult with the community and keep
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Speaker 11: it there.
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Speaker 12: Hope it have been long time, lifetime labor members are
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Speaker 12: changing their vote now. We need a message all the time.
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Speaker 12: So it was quite simple for the current government, both
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Speaker 12: state and federal, change your mind about closing this facility
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Speaker 12: that currently caters for fifty eight percent of all emergency presentations,
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Speaker 12: and you could get could retain your job here.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Julia. I leave it there. Let's go to
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's campaign.
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Speaker 2: They are in the air, so.
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Speaker 3: Before they took off, send your political reporter Trinny McIntosh
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Speaker 3: filed this report.
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Speaker 13: Peter, the Opposition leader, has spent much of the day
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Speaker 13: in and around Melbourne today. He's here just off the
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Speaker 13: Colder Freeway in the Labor held seat of Gorton. Now,
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Speaker 13: this is a road upgrade, three hundred million dollars for
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Speaker 13: an interchange here to help it be a bit easier
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Speaker 13: for commuters coming off the freeway and onto the local road.
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Speaker 13: It's actually a funding promise that Labour made in week
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Speaker 13: one of the campaign when Richard Mars was standing in
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Speaker 13: this very same spot where Peter Dutton is now, a
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Speaker 13: promise that regardless of who wins government, is now going
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Speaker 13: to go ahead. I've caught in a fascinating one. The
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Speaker 13: coalition's been here twice in the space of a week.
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Speaker 13: The retirement of long serving Labor MP Brendan O'Connor part
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Speaker 13: of the reason why the Liberals believe this seat is vulnerable.
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Speaker 13: Earlier today, though we spent a lot of time in
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Speaker 13: the seat of Dunkley, also held by Labor. One there
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Speaker 13: in the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne, a community crime forum.
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Speaker 13: The focus there a seven hundred and fifty million dollar
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Speaker 13: pledge from the Coalition today for a crackdown on crime nationally.
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Speaker 13: We did see a political fight today between the Prime
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Speaker 13: Minister and Opposition leader when it comes to a register
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Speaker 13: for national sex offenders. So Peter Dutton does want this
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Speaker 13: focus now to be on crime ahead of pre polling
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Speaker 13: which we'll start tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: All right, plenty of other news to get across. Jordan Mousky,
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Speaker 3: News plitical contributor Chris Jelman. Chris, We've got a lot
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Speaker 3: of politics in Australia I want to get across. But
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Speaker 3: of course we'll have politics very soon. Now at the
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Speaker 3: Vatican with the sudden news this afternoon that the Pope
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Speaker 3: has Dipope Francis has died at the age of eighty eight.
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Speaker 2: Of course he has been unwell for time.
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Speaker 3: I was there when Pope John Paul Young, John Paul Young,
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Speaker 3: John Paul, the second Big your Pardon, died at Easter
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. This is the second pope
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Speaker 3: now to die around the Easter period. It's a jubilee
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Speaker 3: year for Catholics of course, huge crowds will be there
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Speaker 3: at the Vatican and from this now we'll see a
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Speaker 3: conclave and an election. Your thoughts on his legacy because
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Speaker 3: he is the first Jesuit in many, many, many years
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Speaker 3: to have such a pivotal role in the church.
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Speaker 2: But of course he is of the left.
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Speaker 3: He is quite controversial politically for the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 8: What are your thoughts, Yeah, Peter, Well, if you think
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Speaker 8: politics in Australia between Conservatives and the Labour Party is bad,
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Speaker 8: you should see church politics. And not saying that I'm
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Speaker 8: completely cross Vatican politics. But of course Benedict was seen
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Speaker 8: as being from the left, and there is a left
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Speaker 8: and right in the Catholic Church and they are very
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Speaker 8: very divided. After following on from Benedict who has seen
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Speaker 8: as being very conservative. So that's twelve years ago. We
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Speaker 8: know the paper being sick. Now for some time I
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Speaker 8: was probably surprising the actually got out of hospital, had
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Speaker 8: double pneumonia and only lasted a few days after getting
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Speaker 8: out of hospital. And of course those who who follow
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Speaker 8: his faith and his convictions will now think that he's
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Speaker 8: going to a better place. But what happens here on
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Speaker 8: earth is what's going to matter.
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Speaker 12: Next.
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Speaker 8: In papal elections, I think there are one hundred and
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Speaker 8: thirty six cardinal electors. I think he has appointed one
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Speaker 8: hundred and ten of them. So you know your numbers, Peter,
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Speaker 8: you follow the numbers, and who do you think is
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Speaker 8: going to be elected as the next pope. It's more
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Speaker 8: likely to be a progressive than a conservative. It'll be
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Speaker 8: interesting to see though, whether there are any African candidates.
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Speaker 8: The church is very strong there and tends to be
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Speaker 8: a lot more conservative there, so there'll be a lot
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Speaker 8: of interesting comings and goings now in and out of
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Speaker 8: the Vatican as we work our way towards the election
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Speaker 8: of the next pope. And of course the pope matters
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Speaker 8: enormously in terms of the direction of the Catholic Church.
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Speaker 8: So that'll be a fascinating process to watch. And you'd
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Speaker 8: love to be a fly on the wall there. And
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Speaker 8: they have played politics harder than anywhere else on earth
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Speaker 8: in the Vatican now for well over one thousand years,
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Speaker 8: so yes, it will be interesting to watch.
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Speaker 3: Well, Lah, I might be Catholic, but given my gender
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Speaker 3: that you're more likely to be the fly on the
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Speaker 3: wall in the Sisteine Chapel than I'll ever be.
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Speaker 2: But we'll leave that there. Let's go to Labor pre poll.
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Speaker 3: We obviously know it's opening up tomorrow, but the how
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Speaker 3: to vote cards, these have already been distributed or certainly
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Speaker 3: available on Labour's website and I went through them in
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Speaker 3: the top of the show. Anthony Albanezi, Well, he's got
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Speaker 3: his own name there against number one.
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Speaker 2: As you'd expect.
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Speaker 3: But they're preferencing the Greens second in his seat, Likewise
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Speaker 3: in Tony Burke's seat, and Jason Clare's seat, and a
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Speaker 3: whole lot of others, even the most senior Jewish MP.
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Speaker 3: We've got the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus, he is preferencing
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Speaker 3: the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is extraordinary. Look at the Greens.
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Speaker 3: A lot of the Greens are preferencing Labor as well
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Speaker 3: as their second picks.
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Speaker 2: This looks like a deal.
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Speaker 3: And O the PM says he's not going to do
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Speaker 3: a deal with the Greens. Not going to do a deal.
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Speaker 3: I think he's already done a deal.
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Speaker 8: Oh look, Peter, are you the least bit surprised? And
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Speaker 8: when we look at the preference flows between the Labor
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Speaker 8: Party and the Greens, many of those MPs would not
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Speaker 8: be elected if it wasn't for Green preferences. Now, those
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Speaker 8: preference flows, in fact have been growing over the years.
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Speaker 8: I think in twenty nineteen about eighty percent of Green's
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Speaker 8: preferences went to the Labor Party. I think at the
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Speaker 8: last election it was up closer to eighty five percent
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Speaker 8: of Green's preferences went to the Labor Party. So there
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Speaker 8: would be many Labor MPs who would simply not get
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Speaker 8: elected if it wasn't for those Green preferences. And when
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Speaker 8: we look at what happens with the coalition, the preference
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Speaker 8: flows from places like One Nation and what was the
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Speaker 8: UAP at the last election, tend not to be anywhere
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Speaker 8: near as strong. They do still tend to favor the coalition,
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Speaker 8: but by nothing like those numbers. I think from One
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Speaker 8: Nation the preferences around about sixty or sixty five percent
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Speaker 8: compared to the eighty five percent which go from the Greens.
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Speaker 8: So preferences are massively important in the system that we have.
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Speaker 8: And the way that this works is it was always
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Speaker 8: going to be follow the numbers, the same as with
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Speaker 8: the Vatican. How do you think you get elected? You
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Speaker 8: get the numbers behind you, and that's how you get elected.
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Speaker 3: That makes it look like the PMS just had all
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Speaker 3: this faux posturing against the Greens. It looks like, you know,
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Speaker 3: everything we've heard from him about talking tough is not
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Speaker 3: worth the paper it's printed on.
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Speaker 8: Well, and when it gets to forming government, of course
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Speaker 8: the government will do a deal with the Greens if
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Speaker 8: it needs to get into government, if it needs the
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Speaker 8: seats in Parliament, and the only way you can form
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Speaker 8: government in Australia is to have the seats have the
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Speaker 8: numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives. So
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Speaker 8: you're going to have to do some sort of deal
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Speaker 8: with them. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll have
19:39
Speaker 8: a formal arrangement as they did last time, because that
19:42
Speaker 8: was the death knell of the Gillard government signing that
19:44
Speaker 8: deal with Bob Brown. But of course they'll have to
19:47
Speaker 8: be an arrangement. And what we'll see if there is
19:49
Speaker 8: a minority Labor government that it will be dragged to
19:52
Speaker 8: the left by the Tills and the Greens on the
19:55
Speaker 8: cross bench. But you have to say, at the moment, Peter,
19:57
Speaker 8: the way that things aren't tracking is that this could
19:59
Speaker 8: be as twenty nineteen that they could be walking that
20:02
Speaker 8: goat track to victory, that miracle victory that's got Morrison
20:05
Speaker 8: had I think Anthony Albanezi is quietly confident that he's
20:08
Speaker 8: going to pull that off.
20:11
Speaker 2: He certainly looks confident today.
20:13
Speaker 3: There's a real peppinine step and well, we'll see what
20:15
Speaker 3: happens in the next two weeks. Let's go to this
20:18
Speaker 3: continuing start show of the prospect of a Russian air
20:20
Speaker 3: base in Indonesia. A lot of toing and throwing today.
20:24
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is still making this an issue because
20:27
Speaker 3: it's a discrepancy between what he's saying and what senior
20:30
Speaker 3: ministers are saying. Indeed, Murray what yesterday and Andrew Canell's program.
20:33
Speaker 3: But most of all I look to the failure of
20:36
Speaker 3: the government to allow the coalition are briefing under the
20:40
Speaker 3: caretaker conventions. Not just the government, I have to say
20:43
Speaker 3: the public service in Canberra. They are there to administer
20:46
Speaker 3: the caretaker conventions. The government clearly is blocking any such
20:50
Speaker 3: briefing and the week old supine public servants are rolling over.
20:55
Speaker 3: I think this is a very very bad sign.
20:57
Speaker 2: Chris yeh.
21:00
Speaker 8: Again, you know what they say about conventions. It's a convention.
21:02
Speaker 8: There's nothing that's forcing the government to do this, and
21:04
Speaker 8: I think that where there's smoke, there's a little bit
21:06
Speaker 8: of fire here. The initial report came from James Defense Weekly,
21:10
Speaker 8: which is one of the most respected defense publications in
21:13
Speaker 8: the world. So you have to assume the fact that
21:15
Speaker 8: the Russians did ask the question. Now, the Indonesians may
21:18
Speaker 8: have followed that with a very swift no, but it
21:20
Speaker 8: shows an intent from the Russians to get some sort
21:23
Speaker 8: of toe hold in our neck of the woods and
21:26
Speaker 8: not very far from Australia. I do see that the
21:28
Speaker 8: Russian ambassador, I think it was to Jakarta saying that
21:30
Speaker 8: Australia has no cards to play, and it's hard to
21:33
Speaker 8: argue with him on that front because we've just seen
21:36
Speaker 8: recently we don't have the cards to play when it
21:38
Speaker 8: comes with China, when it laps Australia. We can't keep
21:40
Speaker 8: up with our own warships. So we're in a very
21:43
Speaker 8: weak position at the moment, very difficult times. What does
21:45
Speaker 8: it tell us. It tells us that we live in
21:48
Speaker 8: very very interesting times and there are lots of countries
21:50
Speaker 8: that have an interest in this part of the world
21:52
Speaker 8: that don't have our best interests at heart. You know,
21:55
Speaker 8: it was unfortunate that Peter Dutton misspoke when he said
21:57
Speaker 8: it was the President's officer had confirmed the fact that
22:00
Speaker 8: there had been a Russian inquiry. There hadn't, It had
22:02
Speaker 8: been a report. So you know, he's kind of made
22:05
Speaker 8: a bit of a rod for his own back with
22:06
Speaker 8: that one, and you can't can't blame the Labor Party
22:09
Speaker 8: for bashing him over the head with it.
22:12
Speaker 3: We've just got some scenes out in the front of
22:14
Speaker 3: Saint Peter's ear on the screen for those following the news,
22:16
Speaker 3: of course, at the Pope. The death of the Pope
22:18
Speaker 3: has just been announced. News poll overnight, no real change
22:22
Speaker 3: in two PP terms, an uptick for Labor on their
22:25
Speaker 3: primary coalition unchanged at thirty five. I mean, thirty five
22:28
Speaker 3: is not a win for the coalition, that it's something
22:30
Speaker 3: with a four in front. Yes, there was some talk
22:33
Speaker 3: about green shoots, you know, the coalitions ahead on the economy,
22:37
Speaker 3: the coalitions ahead on defense. But I mean, please, Chris,
22:41
Speaker 3: if defense is a winner for the coalition, how about
22:43
Speaker 3: you actually get a policy out there on defense and
22:46
Speaker 3: national security, Because you know we're opening up for pre
22:49
Speaker 3: polls tomorrow.
22:50
Speaker 2: We still see nothing yet.
22:53
Speaker 8: Look, Peter, you've been involved with many campaigns, and I've
22:56
Speaker 8: watched many campaigns, and I don't you know, I don't
22:59
Speaker 8: exclaim that i'd have a better idea about how they
23:01
Speaker 8: should run their campaign, but I don't think that this
23:03
Speaker 8: has been a particularly good one. It seems to me
23:05
Speaker 8: that there weren't enough policies out early enough for the
23:08
Speaker 8: Coalition to make its case to the Australian people. You've
23:11
Speaker 8: got to take into account the fact now that of
23:13
Speaker 8: course people are voting early, that's starting tomorrow, and that
23:16
Speaker 8: we did have this election which was always going to
23:18
Speaker 8: be interrupted by the holiday season, and that's this week
23:22
Speaker 8: as well. Don't forget we've got Anzac Day on Friday,
23:25
Speaker 8: so this week is a short week, and then we've
23:27
Speaker 8: had all the noise from Donald Trump. So it doesn't
23:30
Speaker 8: look to me at any stage like the Coalition has
23:33
Speaker 8: had any rhythm. They have been going backwards in the
23:36
Speaker 8: polls from the beginning of this campaign. They've had to
23:39
Speaker 8: ditch policies, and they've lost at least one politician. So
23:42
Speaker 8: if you're going backwards on all those front sides, it's
23:44
Speaker 8: hard for me to see how you could ever hope
23:46
Speaker 8: to win this election. What they need to do is
23:48
Speaker 8: to get a whole lot closer than where they are now.
23:51
Speaker 8: They have to make this a contest. They have to
23:54
Speaker 8: force the Labor Party into minority government and have enough
23:57
Speaker 8: seats to be a big noise the next time round.
24:00
Speaker 8: But if they allow the Labor Party to win majority
24:03
Speaker 8: government that I think that the next story is going
24:05
Speaker 8: to be about what goes on in the coalition, not
24:07
Speaker 8: the election campaign.
24:10
Speaker 3: This is six hundred billion dollar figure Labour saying that's
24:13
Speaker 3: the cost of Dutton's nuclear plan in about thirty years time.
24:18
Speaker 3: Despite being an absolute fans a full time frame. The
24:21
Speaker 3: cost is fanciful. It's a lobby group with charitable status,
24:26
Speaker 3: packed full of Labour staffers, as I've said, and others
24:28
Speaker 3: in it.
24:29
Speaker 2: It's not a credible figure.
24:30
Speaker 3: It's not official government costings or Treasuries numbers worked up.
24:34
Speaker 3: But I've seen a lot of the material that's going
24:36
Speaker 3: into marginal seats and it's referenced in every one of
24:39
Speaker 3: them to say Dutton needs this much money to pay
24:42
Speaker 3: for the nuclear plan, so cut to coming your way.
24:45
Speaker 3: This can't stand as any sort of campaign truth. It's
24:49
Speaker 3: a massive scare campaign. But the Prime Minister's repeating it
24:53
Speaker 3: every single day.
24:55
Speaker 2: Chris. Yeah.
24:58
Speaker 8: Look, even if they were trying to report the Smart
25:00
Speaker 8: Energy Council Zone dodgy figures, they would have said that
25:03
Speaker 8: the Smart Energy Council had estimated between one hundred and
25:06
Speaker 8: sixteen billion dollars and up to six hundred billion dollars.
25:09
Speaker 8: And of course all those numbers were bigged up by
25:12
Speaker 8: the Smart Energy Council, which represents wind and solar interests
25:15
Speaker 8: and of course doesn't want nuclear energy in Australia, even
25:18
Speaker 8: though if you want to get to net zero, you're going.
25:21
Speaker 7: To have to have it.
25:21
Speaker 8: So now that stuff ever actually adds up to me,
25:24
Speaker 8: except it's pushing the interests of its members, and the
25:27
Speaker 8: interests of its members at the moment is not to
25:29
Speaker 8: have nuclear energy in Australia because that's not the interests
25:31
Speaker 8: of making money, which is what its members want to do.
25:35
Speaker 8: So yes, it's a completely bogus figure that's been bought
25:39
Speaker 8: out by the Smart Energy Council, But even if you
25:41
Speaker 8: looked at its own figures, it's somewhere between one hundred
25:44
Speaker 8: and sixteen and six hundred billion. And if you looked
25:47
Speaker 8: around the world at the very best nuclear power plants
25:50
Speaker 8: which are being built in South Korea, the figure is
25:52
Speaker 8: nothing like that, and we've never had a total system
25:55
Speaker 8: cost for Labour's figures and when we put all that together,
25:58
Speaker 8: that's going to be massive expensive.
26:03
Speaker 2: We're talking trillions there. Chris Yeoman, thank you.
26:06
Speaker 3: Let's go down of those explosive revelations yesterday that the
26:08
Speaker 3: decision by Daniel Andrews to force millions of Victorians to
26:12
Speaker 3: live under a curfew during COVID was purely a political decision.
26:18
Speaker 3: It's now been proven it was never based on health advice. Finally,
26:22
Speaker 3: the documents have been released that show this. Now it's
26:26
Speaker 3: shameful that it's taken four and a half years of
26:29
Speaker 3: legal battle to obtain these documents under FOI, but the
26:34
Speaker 3: decision to lock Victorians in their homes was extraordinary and
26:38
Speaker 3: documents prove it wasn't i quote, not occurring on public
26:42
Speaker 3: health advice, but is was a decision taken by cabinet.
26:47
Speaker 3: Joining me now, the MP who's fought and fought and
26:49
Speaker 3: fought for years to let you all know about this
26:53
Speaker 3: information publicly Liberal State front Bench David Davis. Well, Davis, David,
26:58
Speaker 3: welcome to the program. I mean we never even had
27:03
Speaker 3: a curfew in wartime. Through your dog at work, and
27:07
Speaker 3: let's remind people at home that they fought all the
27:10
Speaker 3: way to the Supreme Court on this.
27:11
Speaker 2: We now know that it was just that seven members.
27:14
Speaker 14: Of Appeal actually over it.
27:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, the quart of Appeal.
27:19
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, but Center Allen, out of that gag of seven,
27:23
Speaker 3: is the only one left in the Parliament. Surely she
27:26
Speaker 3: now must answer some questions.
27:30
Speaker 14: Well, Peter, this is extraordinary. This is the documentary proof
27:35
Speaker 14: that shows the curfew was not based on health advice.
27:39
Speaker 14: You were in many of those briefings, of course, and
27:41
Speaker 14: you heard time and time again as Daniel Andrews and
27:44
Speaker 14: his ministers said, we're only acting on health advice. Well,
27:48
Speaker 14: it turns out in the case of the curfew, that
27:50
Speaker 14: was a lie. There were eight people in the crisis cabinet,
27:55
Speaker 14: Daniel Andrews was one. The only one that remains there
27:58
Speaker 14: now in the Parliament is Jacinerell and the current premier.
28:02
Speaker 14: And you would have thought she would respond on some
28:05
Speaker 14: of these issues. She must have known that this was
28:08
Speaker 14: not adequate. Even the documents came out show that even
28:13
Speaker 14: cabinet didn't have proper advice on these matters, So you
28:17
Speaker 14: know there was no formal documentation before cabinet when they
28:21
Speaker 14: made the decision to lock down through a curfew five
28:25
Speaker 14: and a half million Victorians, a massive number of people,
28:29
Speaker 14: and a hugely impactful decision based on a lie.
28:35
Speaker 3: Let's just listen to that lie again. Here he is
28:37
Speaker 3: the former Premier, Daniel Andrews.
28:40
Speaker 1: And if something like the curfew was deemed to be
28:44
Speaker 1: no longer necessary, then it will come off. It won't
28:47
Speaker 1: be on there, it won't be on, it won't be
28:49
Speaker 1: imposed for any longer than it needs to be.
28:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, deemed.
28:54
Speaker 3: He gave us all the inference deemed by officials, you know,
28:57
Speaker 3: independent advice, health experts, etc.
29:00
Speaker 2: But it was a.
29:00
Speaker 3: Political tactic, always was, and we still know. There are
29:04
Speaker 3: some twenty thousand fines in Victoria that are still being
29:08
Speaker 3: chased up.
29:11
Speaker 14: There's fines, and there's the consequence that flowed out of
29:15
Speaker 14: these terrible decisions on the curfew in Victoria. The businesses
29:20
Speaker 14: that lost, the business people that lost their livelihood, the
29:23
Speaker 14: school kids who were heavily impacted, those who couldn't go
29:28
Speaker 14: to funerals, all of those incredible impacts that occurred with
29:33
Speaker 14: these curfews that were put in place. And I think
29:37
Speaker 14: the community of every right to be very angry about this.
29:40
Speaker 14: They were lied to, pure and simple. And you know
29:44
Speaker 14: the fact is, if it was based on health advice,
29:47
Speaker 14: they almost certainly wouldn't have put a curfew in place.
29:51
Speaker 14: Nowhere else in Australia put a curfew in place, and
29:56
Speaker 14: that's because the medical and health evidence for it doesn't
29:59
Speaker 14: actually stack up. So you know, by all means say
30:03
Speaker 14: you're going to base things on health advice, but then
30:07
Speaker 14: do it rather than lie about it. So it's pretty
30:10
Speaker 14: pretty damning of Ja Cinderellen and the whole lot.
30:16
Speaker 3: We're indebted to you for your dogodness there, David Davis,
30:19
Speaker 3: thank you for your time tonight, Reark the break. Early
30:21
Speaker 3: polls are opening obviously tomorrow pre polls.
30:24
Speaker 2: So do the Libs have a.
30:25
Speaker 3: Fighting chance to turn things around? And give them plenty
30:27
Speaker 3: of insiders on the left and right. So the battle
30:30
Speaker 3: is happening at a local level, seat by seat like
30:33
Speaker 3: never before. Glassy anti liberal comedian who's racked up nearly
30:37
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars in donations from Climate two hundred
30:45
Speaker 3: welcome back still to calm the anti Dartin comic bankrolled
30:48
Speaker 3: by Climbate two hundred that went on a spending spree,
30:52
Speaker 3: deleting social media post after he was exposed. More on
30:55
Speaker 3: that in a moment, But first, the latest round of
30:58
Speaker 3: polling from Redbridge Acts, which is tracking twenty key marginal seats,
31:03
Speaker 3: and it's found that Labour's nuclear scare campaign is driving
31:06
Speaker 3: a collapse in the coalition's primary vote. Coalition has seen
31:09
Speaker 3: a nine percent drop in his primary vote since February.
31:12
Speaker 3: It now sits at thirty four percent. However, Labour's primaries
31:16
Speaker 3: on there was in two points from thirty three to
31:18
Speaker 3: thirty five over the same period of time. Joining me
31:21
Speaker 3: out to discuss this and the campaign more broadly, Director
31:24
Speaker 3: at Redbridge Cos Samaris, because just on that nuclear point,
31:29
Speaker 3: it's not being transposed away from the coalition and into
31:34
Speaker 3: Labour's column.
31:35
Speaker 2: Where's its going? Where is it going.
31:37
Speaker 15: Going to minor parties? And it's fair effective with the story.
31:41
Speaker 15: I think of the major party's problem going forward. Every
31:44
Speaker 15: time they run a campaign against each other, all they're
31:46
Speaker 15: doing is amplifying their own flanks. So if the Coalition
31:50
Speaker 15: was running a successful campaign right now, I would say
31:53
Speaker 15: that the impact of that will be that the Labor
31:55
Speaker 15: Party will lose votes to minor parties. More though, more
31:58
Speaker 15: than lose boats to the and vice versa. And we're
32:02
Speaker 15: seeing the impact now right of the Labor campaign. He's
32:05
Speaker 15: having a significant impact on the Collision primary. But as
32:09
Speaker 15: we can see with these numbers, it's all going to
32:11
Speaker 15: minor parties.
32:14
Speaker 3: What about the six one hundred billion dollar number that
32:17
Speaker 3: Labor's got out there is the cost of this nuclear
32:19
Speaker 3: plan for the coalition. It's completely fanciful. It's not even
32:22
Speaker 3: a proper government costing. It's made up by basically a
32:26
Speaker 3: front lobby group funded by activists and the renewable sector.
32:29
Speaker 3: But it's critical because I've got around four or five
32:33
Speaker 3: marginal seats. On the weekend I saw a lot of
32:35
Speaker 3: billboards on highways as well, constantly referencing this six hundred
32:39
Speaker 3: billion dollar bee ripped out and saying if Dutton needs
32:42
Speaker 3: that money for nuclear, he's going to cut all these
32:45
Speaker 3: things that you care about.
32:47
Speaker 2: That's deadly.
32:49
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. And really what they're doing here is
32:51
Speaker 7: they're using the.
32:52
Speaker 15: Nuclear debates as the hook. The real impact is the
32:57
Speaker 15: word that cuts. So basically Labor was desperate to get
33:01
Speaker 15: the hands on is a narrative that the Coalition, if elected,
33:07
Speaker 15: will go back to what some of these voters think
33:09
Speaker 15: will be formed, which is they'll cut certain services and
33:13
Speaker 15: programs to fund their policies. And that's fundamentally what their
33:18
Speaker 15: mission has been all about, and it's working for the
33:21
Speaker 15: labor base.
33:23
Speaker 7: So I've got to emphasize that that we can see
33:25
Speaker 7: with the.
33:26
Speaker 15: Labor primary it's quite healthy because it's not bleeding anywhere,
33:30
Speaker 15: and so that's been also their mission.
33:32
Speaker 7: So I think this campaign that we're talking about had a.
33:36
Speaker 15: Great impact for keeping for allowing the labor to keep
33:38
Speaker 15: its votes intact whilst it goes and animates plisans flanks.
33:46
Speaker 3: I guess the problem there is truth in politics, though,
33:48
Speaker 3: because Peter Dutton all the way along and said he
33:50
Speaker 3: will not cut all these things that labor alleged he
33:53
Speaker 3: would cut. You know, he went through Medicare, education, all
33:55
Speaker 3: of them, and he's been able to demonstrate his bona
33:57
Speaker 3: fide is there.
33:59
Speaker 2: But they still have to get this straw man up
34:00
Speaker 2: of cuts.
34:01
Speaker 3: So they use the nuclear argument. And it's clear from
34:04
Speaker 3: other polling I've seen that punters aren't necessarily against nuclear,
34:08
Speaker 3: even in the seats where the nuclear plants would go,
34:11
Speaker 3: but they're against nuclear if it means a six hundred
34:14
Speaker 3: billion dollar bill and they're going to have to wear
34:16
Speaker 3: the cuts to pay for it. So Labors used it
34:19
Speaker 3: as the straw man and it doesn't matter what Peter
34:22
Speaker 3: Dutton is saying. It's got currency, but it's a made
34:26
Speaker 3: up figure. Now, how on earth you're going to fight
34:28
Speaker 3: a phantom, you know, like a puff of smoke, a
34:32
Speaker 3: whisper of smoke like that.
34:33
Speaker 2: Cause how to get truth back into politics.
34:37
Speaker 7: Pretty difficult because we're so tribal.
34:39
Speaker 15: So that narrative works amongst Labour's base, right, so they
34:44
Speaker 15: will believe that narrative. But the voters that the Coalition
34:48
Speaker 15: are losing right now to minor parties, I reckon it's
34:51
Speaker 15: because it is.
34:52
Speaker 7: I think there's something else going on here.
34:56
Speaker 2: What do you thinks happening.
34:58
Speaker 15: I think there's a lack of economic narrative coming from
35:00
Speaker 15: the Coalition, which is upsetting a lot of I would
35:03
Speaker 15: say younger voters who do vote for the Coalition, particularly
35:06
Speaker 15: in regional Australia and parts of that are large cities.
35:11
Speaker 15: Now that means I can get them back pretty quickly,
35:13
Speaker 15: but you know they're running out of time.
35:16
Speaker 7: So looking at the types of people that have left
35:18
Speaker 7: the Coalition.
35:20
Speaker 15: Since since February the majority are on the age of
35:23
Speaker 15: fifty and they're not.
35:26
Speaker 7: Listening to Elbows campaign. They're not interested.
35:29
Speaker 15: They're going off to minor parties, and so getting them
35:33
Speaker 15: back should be not easy easy, but easier because they
35:38
Speaker 15: are more culturally attuned to listen to conservative voices.
35:45
Speaker 3: The problem is the coalition, as you know, has a
35:47
Speaker 3: greater attrition of that third party or minor party voter
35:51
Speaker 3: doesn't come back in a disciplined way compared to Labour's
35:53
Speaker 3: vote that leaves Labor, that goes somewhere else on the left.
35:56
Speaker 3: That's the first point two weeks to go. I mean,
35:59
Speaker 3: you've got to get escaped. And I think the two
36:01
Speaker 3: biggest arsenal weapons. You have your treasurer in the coalition's case,
36:06
Speaker 3: shadow treasur Angus Taylor, your shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty.
36:10
Speaker 2: Where are they in the campaign?
36:11
Speaker 3: They're the two equities at Newspolts say the coalition's got well.
36:14
Speaker 3: I can hardly see either men fronting anything much at
36:17
Speaker 3: the moment.
36:18
Speaker 2: But I want to know why there's.
36:19
Speaker 3: Been such a fallaway in the coalitions vote in Victoria.
36:22
Speaker 2: What's happening there?
36:25
Speaker 15: The same dynamic if you look at the votes that
36:27
Speaker 15: are falling away. They haven't gotten a labor I mean,
36:29
Speaker 15: Labour's prime has gone up again only two points.
36:32
Speaker 7: They're up to about thirty. It's still very low.
36:34
Speaker 15: I mean they ended up on thirty three at the
36:36
Speaker 15: last federal election in Victoria in twenty twenty two, so
36:39
Speaker 15: they're still down. But again the majority going to minor parties.
36:44
Speaker 15: Same trend, and again in this case it's occurring in
36:48
Speaker 15: outer suburban areas, but also our middle and urban areas
36:52
Speaker 15: of Melbourne as well, So same dynamic, only it's more pronounced.
36:59
Speaker 2: God.
36:59
Speaker 3: I hope every way Government don't send their vote to Palmer.
37:01
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. Thanks coz. After the break, the
37:05
Speaker 3: underhanded way the climate to one hundred funds these so
37:07
Speaker 3: called influences to spread their anti liberal message.
37:10
Speaker 2: We'll go through that in a moment.
37:12
Speaker 3: Class kive Palmer to what under fire over a candidate
37:15
Speaker 3: that he says he will not sack as a billionaire
37:17
Speaker 3: once again threatens to eat into the Liberal vote Blocoback
37:26
Speaker 3: reports to Pauline Hansen he's refusing to give preferences to
37:29
Speaker 3: the coalition. Her chief of staff James Ashby on that
37:32
Speaker 3: one coming out, But first hope for the weekend, The
37:34
Speaker 3: Data Telegraphs James Willis broke the story that the company
37:38
Speaker 3: run by a comedian responsible for anti liberal social media
37:41
Speaker 3: content previously received nearly six hundred thousand dollars in donations
37:45
Speaker 3: from Climber two hundred. Dan Illick is the director of
37:49
Speaker 3: It's Not a Race, and he's refused to confirm if
37:53
Speaker 3: his organization has received additional funds.
37:56
Speaker 2: In the leader to this year's election.
37:59
Speaker 3: Content shared by It's Not a Race includes as satirical
38:03
Speaker 3: attack on Peter Dutton and just in a nambijipit Price,
38:06
Speaker 3: as well as memes comparing Liberle front benches to muppets.
38:10
Speaker 3: Joining me now, the journalist who broke this story at
38:12
Speaker 3: The Telegraph, James Willis, Well, this is the same man,
38:16
Speaker 3: James Willis who described his company in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: two election as Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare.
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Speaker 3: He was influential in twenty twenty two and he's trying
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Speaker 3: clearly to be influential again.
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Speaker 16: That's right, Peter, and what this has done, and the
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Speaker 16: reason that we decided you and I to look into
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Speaker 16: these stories was that there is clearly a major flaw
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Speaker 16: in our election system and the transparency which Climbate two
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Speaker 16: hundred have sprooped about fixing up and running on a
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Speaker 16: platform with integrity. But when you have a comedian who
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Speaker 16: in twenty twenty two boasted about being Scott Morrison and
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Speaker 16: Barnaby Joyce's worst nightmare, it was flooding social media with
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Speaker 16: specific attacks on the coalition, sprooking TiAl candidates and a
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Speaker 16: lot of the content directly charged and hitting liberal blue
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Speaker 16: ribbon seats which would eventually fall by Climate two hundred.
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Speaker 16: And then we discover after the fact that Climate two
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Speaker 16: hundred donated in four large payments five hundred and eighty
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Speaker 16: eight thousand dollars to mister Elick's companies in the weeks
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Speaker 16: leading up to the election. The Instagram messages continued after that,
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Speaker 16: and as you say, this time around and this is
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Speaker 16: you know, we've asked them questions, they won't tell us,
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Speaker 16: But we are now going to the polls with having
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Speaker 16: no idea about who's donated money anywhere. There's a massive
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Speaker 16: loophole in this system where people can exploit. Climate two
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Speaker 16: hundred won't tell us, mister Elik won't tell us. But
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Speaker 16: clearly this has exposed one of the very very tricky,
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Speaker 16: and I think smart ways that Climate two hundred has
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Speaker 16: been trying to trick voters and convince voters the Liberal
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Speaker 16: Party of the bad guys by using comedy online to
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Speaker 16: target a coalition MPs from Peter Dutton down or Scott
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Speaker 16: Morrison down the last time. So it's a very tricky
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Speaker 16: game and I really don't think the Election Commission electorc
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Speaker 16: Commission even knows what's going on in this space.
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Speaker 2: Fully.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right to talk about the Teals and claims
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Speaker 3: of integrity. Simon Holmes a court, Well, he didn't like
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Speaker 3: your article. He had a crack at me as well.
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Speaker 3: But you know, when you've got someone like Simon Holmes
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Speaker 3: the court having a winge, you know you're on the money.
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Speaker 3: The issue here is if this was an ad on
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Speaker 3: social media from a political party, there would be a
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Speaker 3: proper authorization.
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Speaker 2: We don't have this.
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Speaker 3: I think that's in part by so much of this
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Speaker 3: stuff coming out from the hard left. Teals and others
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Speaker 3: in particular is using what I would call this third
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Speaker 3: party spookers. You know, comedians or other people that have
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Speaker 3: created an online persona as influencers that they do not
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Speaker 3: then have to work inside the electoral rules.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, and there's two issues there. The first one is
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Speaker 16: if Climate two hundred pays mister Ilick's company five hundred
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Speaker 16: and eighty eight thousand dollars and he continues to make
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Speaker 16: anti liberal protel ads, should those ads be authorized by
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Speaker 16: Climate two hundred who have provided that money. I have
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Speaker 16: asked the Electoral Commission that I have not had a response.
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Speaker 16: The other one is that mister Rellic has since deleted
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Speaker 16: dozens of posts from the twenty twenty two campaign satirical
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Speaker 16: content attacks on liberal MPs who eventually lost their seats
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Speaker 16: like Jason Folinsky, Dave Sharma, Josh Freedenberg, and deleted those
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Speaker 16: posts because they did not have an authorization on them
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Speaker 16: And it was only when we brought that to his
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Speaker 16: attention over the weekend that he said they should have
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Speaker 16: been authorized.
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Speaker 7: Well, too little, too late.
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Speaker 16: This is three years on the Other thing that is
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Speaker 16: worth noting on this is that mister Ilik also received
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Speaker 16: about two hundred thousand dollars or two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 16: five thousand dollars from three individuals who are linked to
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Speaker 16: the renewable energy sector or the environment sector that gave
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Speaker 16: money to his campaign. What for we don't know. But
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Speaker 16: he's the one that's making this satirical content. He's the
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Speaker 16: one saying the liberals don't care about climate change, and
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Speaker 16: so it's all very murky. But once again, as I say,
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Speaker 16: having put this in great detail to the Electoral Commission,
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Speaker 16: I'm not convinced they're fully a grasp of what is
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Speaker 16: actually going on on social media. And you know, the
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Speaker 16: typical authorized ads that we see on TV, that we
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Speaker 16: see in print are too far often going through to
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Speaker 16: the keeper and we won't know until October for this
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Speaker 16: campaign who has actually been trading money between these companies.
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Speaker 3: It is tip of the Iceberg stuff. Honestly, James, World
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Speaker 3: on to you. Let's keep it going though, because there's
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Speaker 3: plenty of them else out there and they need some.
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Speaker 2: Scrutiny sewn on them. Thanks for your time. After the break.
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Speaker 3: The College's plan for a national child sex offenders register
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Speaker 3: announced today. Previously, though this has been blocked by Labor
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Speaker 3: plus Why on earth is the most senior Labor Jewish
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Speaker 3: MP Mark Drafust giving.
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Speaker 2: His preferences to the Greens.
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Speaker 3: Three quarters of a billion dollars today announced by the
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Speaker 3: Coalition in relation to law and order, huge issues as
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Speaker 3: we know in Victoria and Queensland. I suspect elsewhere across
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Speaker 3: the country joining me now to discuss this and more
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Speaker 3: One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby, Sky News contributor
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Speaker 3: the wonderful Gary Hargrave Genso I want to start with
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Speaker 3: that broader package, but in particular, James Ashby, I'm interested
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Speaker 3: in this National Child Sex Offender Disclosure scheme. So basically
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Speaker 3: a register which would allow parents to apply to see
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Speaker 3: whether an adult their child was interacting with was a
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Speaker 3: convicted sex offender. The PM, when asked about matching this today,
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Speaker 3: seemed to imply his government is already doing this.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 5: There is a national child offender system right now that
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Speaker 5: my government has put in place. He never put it
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Speaker 5: in place. It's in place now that enables cooperation across
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Speaker 5: the board between jurisdictions.
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Speaker 3: Now two things here, James PM is fibbing there. There
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Speaker 3: is no national register, absolutely not. And when Peter Dutton
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Speaker 3: was the Minister, he tried a number of times to
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Speaker 3: get this up but it was always blocked by state
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Speaker 3: labor premiers.
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Speaker 17: Wasn't it Yes, yes, absolutely, Bill Heffernan may Getty's way.
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Speaker 17: He was a massive advocate of course for a national register,
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Speaker 17: and he chased pedophiles in our Senate many years ago.
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Speaker 17: There hasn't been one like him since. Peter Dutton has
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Speaker 17: tapped into something here. The Prime Minister has lied on
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Speaker 17: this front. The only people that have got any access
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Speaker 17: to active pedophiles that are living in amongst our community
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Speaker 17: are our police force. They share the information amongst themselves,
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Speaker 17: but there is not a national register that parents who
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Speaker 17: are concerned who might be living next door, if they've
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Speaker 17: got concerns about a neighbor that's moved in, or somebody
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Speaker 17: who's loitering out the front of a school, they can't
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Speaker 17: go and find out if that person is a threat
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Speaker 17: to kids. And that's what Peter Dutton has suggested here.
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Speaker 17: Of course it won't just be a website that anyone
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Speaker 17: can go and look up. You'll still have to gain
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Speaker 17: access through the police, but it will be made available
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Speaker 17: when concerns are raised. And I congratulate the Coalition on
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Speaker 17: this Merit.
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Speaker 2: Hard not to agree with that. Gary Hargraves.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and we've got to put our kids first. Our
45:41
Speaker 10: kids are being troubled and towarded and damaged to almost
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Speaker 10: on a daily basis. I don't want to overplay it,
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Speaker 10: but our kids are getting confused by stuff they're hearing
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Speaker 10: in the classroom, by stuff they're hearing in society. And
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Speaker 10: then when you know that if somebody has really got
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Speaker 10: the worst of intentions to take away the innocence of
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Speaker 10: a child is somewhere around. Parent wants to do everything
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Speaker 10: they can to try and protect them, and Peter Darton
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Speaker 10: is right to be trying to do this. What I
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Speaker 10: don't get is why the Labor Party just constantly lying.
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Speaker 10: This Prime Minister has made a career out of fibbing
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Speaker 10: lying everyone to put it and he constantly fails up
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Speaker 10: as a result, and Australia gets dragged down and he's
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Speaker 10: just added again they are saying is what some Labor
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Speaker 10: people are saying today is it would be unfair to
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Speaker 10: the pedophile who's on that register if they were known
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Speaker 10: to be Inciety's child's myths. I mean, it's hard to
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Speaker 10: stomach this stuff, Peter, it really is.
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Speaker 2: What about this.
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Speaker 3: Also similar difficult to stomach Labour's doing secret vote swapping
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Speaker 3: deals with candidates. These are Greens candidates who defend Humus
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Speaker 3: and claim that Zionism is on the side of the Nazis.
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Speaker 3: The PM says, you know, I'm not going to do
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Speaker 3: a deal with the Greens. Well bs to that, because
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Speaker 3: you look at his website. The Labor Party website's got
46:59
Speaker 3: all they had to vote up there. Now almost every
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Speaker 3: single one of them are preferencing.
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Speaker 17: The Greens, even here in my set of Capricornia, where look,
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Speaker 17: let's face it, the Greens has got no hope of
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Speaker 17: getting up here. But it's the signal it sends. There
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Speaker 17: are so many people working within our coal mining industries,
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Speaker 17: within our police force, whether it be the agriculture sector,
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Speaker 17: all these sectors are being harassed by the Greens and
47:24
Speaker 17: we are constantly making provisions when Labor and government to
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Speaker 17: take on Green's policy. And why is that, Well, if
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Speaker 17: you want their preferences, you've got to bend in flex
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Speaker 17: to the left, and so to get that second preference,
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Speaker 17: they've already done deals behind the scenes. Anthony albernez He says, oh,
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Speaker 17: we want to do a deal with the Greens, but yes,
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Speaker 17: you've done it already and it is going to be
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Speaker 17: chaotic in this nextreme of Parliament because the Greens will
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Speaker 17: hold them to account and they'll hold that balance.
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Speaker 2: Ushvin James Ashby just quickly.
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Speaker 3: The reports today though that your boss will not do
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Speaker 3: a preference arrangement with the coalition, and what's this mean?
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Speaker 2: Give me some more flesh on that one.
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Speaker 17: I feel like I'm in front of the head master here, Peter. Look,
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Speaker 17: you and I have said on numerous occasions. I've told
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Speaker 17: you this so many times your audience as well, Labor,
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Speaker 17: the Teals and the Greens go last. I can't make
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Speaker 17: it any clearer. So I don't know where the confusion
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Speaker 17: has come from with that report in the Australian. The
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Speaker 17: only thing that Pauline Hanson said in the last twenty
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Speaker 17: four hours was there are a couple of small minor
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Speaker 17: parties like Family First or the Libertarians that we were
48:28
Speaker 17: going to put ahead of the Liberal Party or the
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Speaker 17: National Party. But with that said, the Liberals will get
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Speaker 17: our preferences ahead of Labor, the Teals and the Greens.
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Speaker 17: With that said, I'll give you a bit of breaking
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Speaker 17: news here. In the last twelve hours, the Executive met today.
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Speaker 17: I was part of that discussion. We have moved as
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Speaker 17: a result of the deceitful behavior of Clive Palmer's party.
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Speaker 17: We have moved in about eleven seats. Peter Dutton is
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Speaker 17: one of them, Patterson's another one, Whitlam's another and also
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Speaker 17: the Hunter. We've moved either the National Party or the
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Speaker 17: Liberal Party into the second spot behind us to make
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Speaker 17: sure there's no confusion in seats that the Liberal Party
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Speaker 17: either need to retain or need to win. We're going
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Speaker 17: to help them do it. And had a seat full
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Speaker 17: of Clive Palmer to put every sitting coalition Conservative member
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Speaker 17: last on his how to vote cards. That is disgraceful
49:17
Speaker 17: if you've.
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Speaker 10: Thought about voting for him.
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Speaker 17: Abandoned ship, get off his boat.
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Speaker 7: It's terrible.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly on that point, just quickly, I want to
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Speaker 3: get this in Flinders, this is the seat in the
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Speaker 3: morning to Pinentially in Victoria, they're candidate for Clive Palmer.
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Speaker 3: Down there, a guy called Jason Smart. He's been saying,
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Speaker 3: I can't stand the Teals, don't support the Teals. Well
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Speaker 3: he finds out that Palm has done a deal with
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Speaker 3: the Teals and he's walking away from Palmer.
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Speaker 2: Gary Hargraves, Well, that's.
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Speaker 10: The sort of leadership you need more of, and good
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Speaker 10: on him for doing so. Look the simple story in Flinders.
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Speaker 10: Everywhere around the country, you're going to get elbow if
49:53
Speaker 10: you don't vote for Dada.
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Speaker 2: It's really simple.
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Speaker 10: Are you better off than you're worth three years ago?
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Speaker 10: That's the question you have to answer.
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Speaker 3: Oh God, if only the Liberals could be as simple
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Speaker 3: as that. Gary Hargraves gotta leave it their jets. Thank
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Speaker 3: you both of your times, See you next week. That's
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Speaker 3: it for me.
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Speaker 2: Uh Andrew Bolt up next.