Latest / Reformed Thinking / The Spring of All Holy Affections: God’s Moral Excellency | Jonathan Edwards
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- 0:00Welcome back to reformed thinking.
- 0:01This is the deep dive, yeah. Where we take a stack of sources
- 0:04and try to figure out what really matters.
- 0:07And today we're digging into some notes from Jonathan
- 0:09Edwards, his work on religious affections.
- 0:12Right. Those spiritual desires,
- 0:14feelings, inclinations we have. And we're looking specifically
- 0:17at what makes an affection truly holy.
- 0:22The mission, I guess, is to unpack what he means by moral
- 0:24Excellency. Yeah.
- 0:26How is that different from just, you know, natural qualities?
- 0:31And why does getting this distinction right matter for
- 0:34genuine spiritual life? According to these sources,
- 0:38anyway. Let's get into it.
- 0:38OK, so what's really striking right from the start is how
- 0:41these sources draw these very clear lines.
- 0:44Yeah, sharp lines between different kinds of good and
- 0:47evil, and even different ways of perceiving things.
- 0:49They kick off saying that truly holy affections are, well,
- 0:53fundamentally based on the loveliness of the moral
- 0:56Excellency of divine things. OK, moral Excellency.
- 1:00They're pretty quick to define what they mean by moral here.
- 1:02Right, because it's not just like behaving properly on the
- 1:05outside, Yeah. No, they say moral good is
- 1:08what's contrary to sin. It's found in beings that have
- 1:11will and choice. So beings capable of choosing.
- 1:14Exactly. And it's about them acting as
- 1:18it's fit and suitable for them to act.
- 1:21It's an inherent goodness in them as voluntary agents.
- 1:24OK, an inherent goodness. And these divines, they really
- 1:27make a point of separating this moral good from what they call
- 1:31natural good. Right, they do.
- 1:33Moral good in this context is basically holiness or virtue.
- 1:37Like in God. Yeah, in God, it's his
- 1:39righteousness, His truth, His goodness.
- 1:41That's His Holiness and in US. Or creatures.
- 1:43It's things like love to God, love to others, justice,
- 1:46meekness, you know, Christian virtues.
- 1:49That's our holiness, or what it should be.
- 1:50OK, so that's moral good, holiness, virtue, right
- 1:53character. What about natural good then?
- 1:56How's that different? Well, the source is presented as
- 1:58entirely different. It's about what perfects or
- 2:00suits nature itself, kind of abstractly considered.
- 2:03Without thinking about right or wrong.
- 2:04Exactly. No regard for right or wrong.
- 2:06So things like pleasure, honor, strength.
- 2:08Having lots of knowledge. Being clever.
- 2:10Yes, speculative knowledge, human learning, policy,
- 2:15cleverness, stuff like that. And in God, what are his natural
- 2:19goods? His natural attributes are seen
- 2:22as his greatness, so his power, his knowledge being internal,
- 2:26omnipresent, his, you know, awesome majesty and for.
- 2:30Creatures natural good is reason ability, right?
- 2:35Reason, understanding, natural ability, dominion over other
- 2:38creatures, those kinds of things.
- 2:40So it seems like moral good is about the being, the character,
- 2:43the Will's disposition. Well, natural good is more about
- 2:46capacity, power, circumstance, maybe usefulness.
- 2:50That's a good way to put it, and they draw a similar line for
- 2:52evil too. OK, so moral evil is?
- 2:54That's the evil of sin, acting against duty, against what's
- 2:57right. Pretty straightforward.
- 2:58And natural evil. That's just contrary to mere
- 3:00nature. It doesn't involve duty.
- 3:02So thinks suffering, pain, torment, disgrace.
- 3:05More natural defects. Yeah, like being born with a
- 3:07major disability or lacking basic understanding.
- 3:11These are seen as bad things contrary to natures perfection,
- 3:14but not morally wrong in the same way sin is.
- 3:16Okay, that distinction feels pretty foundational.
- 3:19For everything else, they build on it it.
- 3:20Really is and they connect it right back to the image of God
- 3:23in US. And where this moral Excellency,
- 3:26this holiness, actually live, so to speak?
- 3:30They talk about a twofold image of God in humans.
- 3:33Twofold. Yeah, yeah.
- 3:35First there's the natural image. That's our reason our
- 3:37understanding natural abilities dominion over creatures.
- 3:40The things that sort of mirror God's natural attributes, yeah.
- 3:43His power, his knowledge. Exactly.
- 3:46That's how it's presented. It images God's natural
- 3:48greatness. But there's another part.
- 3:51You said twofold, right? The crucial part, yeah, the
- 3:54moral or spiritual image, and that is that's described as our
- 3:57holiness. It's the image of God's moral
- 4:00Excellency. OK, so we reflect God's
- 4:02greatness naturally, but also his goodness morally, Or at
- 4:06least we were supposed to. Precisely because the key point
- 4:09these sources hammer home is that this moral or spiritual
- 4:12image, our original holiness, was lost in the fall.
- 4:16So we still have reason, ability, reflections of God's
- 4:19natural side, you could say. But that core holiness, the
- 4:23reflection of his moral nature, is gone, damaged at least.
- 4:29That's the idea. And where do they say this moral
- 4:33Excellency, this holiness is primarily located?
- 4:35Where is it seated? In an intelligent being, yeah.
- 4:38It's primarily in the heart or the will, the will.
- 4:42An intelligent being is morally good, according to these
- 4:45sources, when its will is truly right and lovely.
- 4:50So it's not just about doing the right things, it's about the
- 4:53will itself being right, the disposition.
- 4:55Exactly the core inclination of the heart.
- 4:57OK. If it's about inherent goodness
- 4:59and rightness, yeah, it has to be deep down at the level of the
- 5:02will. And this leads them to argue
- 5:04something quite radical, actually, which is that holiness
- 5:06isn't just a good quality among many, it's actually the main
- 5:09source of beauty and loveliness in all intelligent beings.
- 5:13The source of beauty, primarily. Primarily, yes, the sources say
- 5:16the true beauty and loveliness of all intelligent beings
- 5:19consists mainly in their moral Excellency, their holiness.
- 5:22Wow, they even call holiness the Excellency of Natural
- 5:26Excellencies. What does that?
- 5:28Mean well. Think about it.
- 5:29Natural qualities like great strength or incredible knowledge
- 5:34without holiness. Do they make someone lovely?
- 5:37Truly admirable. Maybe not.
- 5:39It could make them scary even. Exactly.
- 5:41The sources argue they can even make a being more hateful.
- 5:45They use the contrast between elect angels and devils.
- 5:48How so? Well, the angels have great
- 5:50strength and knowledge, right? But it's their holiness that
- 5:54makes those qualities glorious and wonderful.
- 5:56OK, but devils also have immense strength and understanding.
- 6:00Yet because they lack holiness, those same natural capabilities
- 6:04just make them utterly hateful. Their power serves their evil
- 6:07will. Ah.
- 6:08I see, so holiness isn't just like icing on the cake, it's
- 6:11what makes the cake itself good or determines how the other
- 6:13ingredients are used. It directs and beautifies the
- 6:16natural qualities. That's a good way to put it.
- 6:18And they apply this directly to God himself.
- 6:21How does it apply to God? Holiness is described as the
- 6:24beauty of the divine nature. It's the holiness that makes all
- 6:27his other attributes, his wisdom, His Majesty, His power,
- 6:31His eternity, lovely and attractive.
- 6:33So God's wisdom isn't just impressive, it's lovely because
- 6:37it's holy wisdom. Precisely.
- 6:39His Majesty is lovely because it's holy majesty.
- 6:42The real loveliness of all God's perfections, these sources
- 6:45argue, comes from the loveliness of His Holiness.
- 6:48That puts holiness right at the absolute center of who God is
- 6:52and why He is worthy of love and adoration.
- 6:55It's not just His power, but His goodness.
- 6:58It really does. And this understanding then
- 7:00radiates outward, doesn't it, To other divine things?
- 7:03You mean like Saints, angels, scripture?
- 7:05Absolutely. The beauty of Saints and angels,
- 7:07it's their holiness. The beauty of the Christian
- 7:09religion itself, its holiness. And the Bible, the Excellency of
- 7:13the word of God, according to these sources, is its holiness.
- 7:16They point to Psalm 119. You know all those verses about
- 7:18God's law being pure, right, true, righteous.
- 7:21And Psalm 19 too right. The law of the Lord is perfect,
- 7:24the testimony is sure, the statute's right, the commandment
- 7:26pure. Exactly.
- 7:28The fundamental appeal isn't just the stories or the wisdom,
- 7:31but it's holy nature. And what about Christ?
- 7:34His amiableness, his attractiveness, is presented as
- 7:37primarily His Holiness. He's called the Holy One of God.
- 7:40So the beauty of his human nature, his meekness, love,
- 7:43compassion, that's all summed up in His Holiness.
- 7:46That's the idea. And the beauty of his divine
- 7:48nature, too, consists primarily in His Holiness.
- 7:51It follows, then, the gospel. The glory of the gospel is its
- 7:54holiness. It's seen as flowing out from
- 7:57the holy beauty of God in Christ.
- 7:59The way of salvation itself is described as holy.
- 8:02Even heaven. Even heaven, it's glory, is
- 8:05presented in terms of holiness. It's the holy city, the
- 8:08habitation of God's holiness. They cite Isaiah and Revelation
- 8:11there. Wow, so the consistent thread is
- 8:14holiness as the supreme beauty, which means if we're going to
- 8:18truly love any of these divine things.
- 8:20According to these sources, our love has to be primarily on
- 8:23account of their holiness. You have to love the holiness in
- 8:26them. That's the absolute core of it.
- 8:27Which naturally leads to the next question.
- 8:29Question How does someone even perceive this beauty, this
- 8:33holiness? Right, and here the sources
- 8:36introduce something really interesting, the idea of a new
- 8:39supernatural sense. A new sense, like seeing or
- 8:43hearing. Sort of.
- 8:44Or maybe more like taste. They call it a divine spiritual
- 8:48taste that's given when someone is regenerated spiritually born
- 8:51again. A spiritual tasting ability?
- 8:54How is that different from just, you know, understanding things
- 8:58with your mind? It's described as completely
- 9:00different, entirely diverse from our natural senses or our
- 9:03natural understanding. And what does this sense
- 9:05perceive? The beauty of holiness that's
- 9:07said to be its immediate object. Holiness is the specific
- 9:11sweetness that this spiritual taste perceives.
- 9:14OK, a direct perception of holiness itself.
- 9:17Is this something everyone has? The spiritual taste.
- 9:20No, according to these sources, absolutely not.
- 9:23Natural men, people who haven't been regenerated, they have no
- 9:26sense or taste for the goodness and Excellency of holy things as
- 9:29holy. They can't perceive it for its
- 9:31holiness. No, it's said to be holy.
- 9:33Hid from them. But wait, people who aren't
- 9:35believers can still be affected by God?
- 9:37God, right? They can feel awe, or fear his
- 9:40power, or recognize his existence maybe.
- 9:42Oh, for sure, absolutely. They can definitely have a sense
- 9:45of God's natural perfections, His greatness, His power, His
- 9:51awesome majesty. That seems undeniable.
- 9:53Yeah, and the sources even point out that devils have great
- 9:56knowledge of God's natural glory.
- 9:57They know he's powerful and they tremble before him.
- 10:00But that's not the same thing. That's a crucial point.
- 10:02That is not perceiving the beauty of his moral perfections.
- 10:06It's not seeing or tasting His Holiness.
- 10:09So what's the real difference in how you perceive God, then,
- 10:11between this natural sense and the spiritual sense?
- 10:14Well, the spiritual sense perceives the intrinsic beauty,
- 10:17what the source is called the bonum formosum, the beautiful
- 10:19good of moral Excellency of holy.
- 10:22It sees holiness as supremely lovely in itself.
- 10:25OK, lovely for its own sake and the natural understanding.
- 10:28The natural understanding perceives God's natural
- 10:30attributes, power, knowledge, etcetera, and it can perceive
- 10:33God's grace or love, but mainly as profitable as a bonum util a
- 10:38useful good. Useful to me, something that
- 10:41benefits me, keeps me safe, makes me happy.
- 10:44Exactly. It's perceived in relation to
- 10:46self-interest, not for its own inherent beauty.
- 10:50The natural person doesn't grasp the intrinsic beauty of God's
- 10:54moral perfection, His Holiness. It really does sound like that
- 10:57honey analogy they use. That's good water knowing honey
- 11:00is sweet versus actually tasting the sweetness.
- 11:03One's just a fact in your head, the other is a direct experience
- 11:07of the quality. That nails it.
- 11:09That's the difference they're drawing.
- 11:10And they mentioned the psalmist, you know, in Psalm 119 and 19,
- 11:14delighting in the holiness of God's law.
- 11:16That's presented as an example of this spiritual taste, this
- 11:19appetite for holiness itself. OK, so all this careful
- 11:23definition, all these distinctions, it seems like it's
- 11:26all building towards helping people evaluate their own
- 11:28spiritual condition, their affections.
- 11:31That seems to be the goal, yes. How do you test if your
- 11:33affections are truly holy? And this idea of loving holiness
- 11:37for its own sake seems to be the key test they proposed.
- 11:40It is a holy love, they argue, must have a holy object.
- 11:45But more than that, its own holiness consists in loving that
- 11:48object because it is holy, loving it for its holiness.
- 11:51Not for some other reason like what I get out of.
- 11:53It precisely, and they try to bolster this by looking at the
- 11:56flip side. The opposite you mean sin.
- 11:58Yeah, they argue from contraries.
- 12:00If our sinful nature's basic hostility, it's enmity is mainly
- 12:05directed against holy things specifically because they are
- 12:08holy and. Then it makes sense that a holy
- 12:09nature would primarily delight in holiness.
- 12:11Exactly. It's logical They point to the
- 12:13Seraphim in Isaiah crying holy, holy holy or the Saints in
- 12:17Revelation declaring for thou only art holy.
- 12:21As evidence that God's holiness is what primarily captures their
- 12:24attention, their admiration and praise.
- 12:26Yes, that seems to be the divine beauty that most engages them.
- 12:29And even when Saints here on earth praise God for his power
- 12:33or justice or mercy. The sources suggest they do so
- 12:36understanding that these attributes get their loveliness
- 12:39from His Holiness or are aspects of His Holiness.
- 12:42It all comes back to holiness. OK, this brings it right down to
- 12:44application for you, the listener.
- 12:47How do you actually examine your own feelings, your love, your
- 12:50joy, especially towards God, Christ, the Bible, other
- 12:55believers? How?
- 12:55Does this whole moral versus natural good, holiness versus
- 12:59self-interest thing help you test that?
- 13:01Well, the test laid out in these sources is pretty direct.
- 13:04Does your affection, your love or joy, spring from a supreme
- 13:07delight in this beauty of holiness itself?
- 13:09Without being primarily motivated by what you think
- 13:12you'll get out of it, your imagined self-interest, or your
- 13:14expectation of blessing or reward.
- 13:17That's the question. So if my main feeling towards
- 13:20God is, say, relief that he's powerful enough to fix my life,
- 13:24or a warm feeling towards Jesus because I believe he guarantees
- 13:28my eternal security, Yeah, the sources are saying that's not
- 13:32necessarily holy affection. It's not the defining
- 13:34characteristic of it, no. They state very clearly that
- 13:37having a great sense of God's greatness, His awesome majesty,
- 13:39his natural power, that's no certain sign of grace.
- 13:42No certain sign? Why not?
- 13:44Because, as we said, people without grace, even devils, can
- 13:48perceive and react to God's natural attributes.
- 13:52They can be awed or terrified by His power.
- 13:54So what is the effect then of only sensing God's greatness,
- 13:59His natural power, without seeing His Holiness?
- 14:02Well, it can terrify you obviously, make you fear
- 14:05judgement or or if you think God is showing you mercy or giving
- 14:09you some benefit, like Nebuchadnezzar getting his
- 14:12Kingdom back in Daniel, it might make you feel grateful, you
- 14:15might even praise God. But that gratitude isn't
- 14:17necessarily spiritual. It could just be based on
- 14:20natural principles. Relief, self-interest.
- 14:23You're thankful for the benefit received, you stand in awe of
- 14:25the power that gave it, but you might still have no actual love
- 14:28for the character. The holiness of the giver.
- 14:31Like being grateful to a powerful tyrant who happened to
- 14:33spare you. Something like that.
- 14:34Perhaps it's a critical difference.
- 14:36OK, So what happens then, according to these sources, when
- 14:39someone does get a glimpse of God's moral beauty, His
- 14:42Holiness? Well, the contrast is presented
- 14:45as dramatic, stark really. The sources say something like
- 14:50the first glimpse of the moral and spiritual glory of God
- 14:53shining into the heart produces all these effects, as it were,
- 14:57with omnipotent power. Omnipotent power.
- 15:00What effects? It's described as something that
- 15:02melts the heart. It humbles you deeply.
- 15:04It starts to wean you off. Dependence on worldly things.
- 15:08It powerfully draws you towards God Himself.
- 15:11And it changes you. It effectually changes the
- 15:13person, a profound fundamental shift.
- 15:15That sounds like more than just a feeling, it sounds like a
- 15:18complete reorientation of your whole being.
- 15:20That's exactly how it's presented.
- 15:21It's described as a change that nothing else, not fear of power,
- 15:24not hope of natural benefit, can actually bring about.
- 15:27But isn't appreciating God's power or majesty still
- 15:30important? Oh yes, definitely useful and
- 15:32necessary, especially when it's combined with a view of His
- 15:36Holiness. Grace actually helps you see the
- 15:39beauty derived from holiness even in those natural attributes
- 15:43like power and wisdom. The initial converting site, the
- 15:46one that truly changes the heart.
- 15:48That is the site of the beauty of holiness itself.
- 15:51So we've really traced how these sources draw this incredibly
- 15:54sharp line, haven't we, between a natural appreciation of God's
- 15:58greatness, his power, and a truly spiritual sense of his
- 16:03moral beauty, His Holiness? Yes, and how that spiritual
- 16:06sense, that divine taste as they call it, is presented as
- 16:10absolutely essential for genuinely holy affections.
- 16:13It's what marks them out from responses that might look
- 16:16religious on the surface but are actually rooted in self-interest
- 16:19or just awe at power. It really pushes you to look
- 16:22beneath the surface of your own feelings about God and divine
- 16:26things, doesn't it? It's not just that you feel
- 16:28something strongly. Right, but what is the actual
- 16:30object drawing that feeling? Is it primarily God's power and
- 16:33what He can do for you? Or is it the inherent beauty,
- 16:36the sheer rightness and goodness of His holy nature that
- 16:39captivates you? That raises a really challenging
- 16:42final thought based on these sources.
- 16:44If the perception of God's moral beauty, His Holiness, is the
- 16:48only thing that truly effectively changes the heart
- 16:50and removes that deep seated hostility towards holiness, then
- 16:53what does that imply about the nature of any religious
- 16:56experience, any apparent transformation that doesn't seem
- 16:59to begin with or isn't centered on a genuine delight in God's
- 17:03holiness for its own sake?