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Steve Price | 29 May · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live.
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  Speaker 2: This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening, Welcome to the show. On this Friday ten
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  Speaker 1: scenes in Brisbane this afternoon with police dismantling a tent
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  Speaker 1: embassy that had been established on the site of the
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  Speaker 1: Brisbane Olympic Stadium. Friday Regular and former Queensland Premier and
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  Speaker 1: Lord Mayor of Brisbane will join us Campbell Newman and
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  Speaker 1: of course the debate around these tax changes, labeled toxic
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  Speaker 1: by the opposition roll on, we have the latest on
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  Speaker 1: that also tonight. I want to continue to shine a
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  Speaker 1: light on the appalling treatment of elderly Australians stuck in
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  Speaker 1: year long queues to even access basic at home care
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  Speaker 1: and an age care bed world that's even worse Former
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  Speaker 1: Coalition Agecare Minister Senator Richard Colbert up first, I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: on Kenny last night that it was the twelfth month
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  Speaker 1: anniversary of Victoria's useless machete sale band and the debarker
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  Speaker 1: with the Bins. Friday Regular form a homicide squad. Detective
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Zina. We with us on that, plus with our
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  Speaker 1: Friday panel Joe and Mia. What salty language is acceptable
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  Speaker 1: from our politicians including Angus Taylor and Premier just Center
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  Speaker 1: allan plus dreadful news for hundreds of office Werks employees.
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  Speaker 1: Their jobs have all been sent offshore. But first up tonight,
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  Speaker 1: as we endure this nation dividing budget and the nonsense
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  Speaker 1: around it all being about intergenerational fairness, Australians at the
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  Speaker 1: other end of their life, the other end of the
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  Speaker 1: age scale, elderly Australians people sixty five and over are
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  Speaker 1: being treated like disposable pests, hogging family homes, clogging up
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  Speaker 1: public hospital beds and ripping renters off and living the
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  Speaker 1: high life. It's all nonsense, of course, nothing could be
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  Speaker 1: further from the truth. I wrote last week in the
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  Speaker 1: Herald Son about a sit down interview for my ninety
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  Speaker 1: one year old mother with an ambition to source a
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  Speaker 1: government package to remain in her own home as she
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  Speaker 1: wishes to do. As I explained, your government made a
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  Speaker 1: raft of changes back on November one last year in
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  Speaker 1: a bid they tell us to reign in the cost
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  Speaker 1: to taxpayers of a system that was being gained by
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  Speaker 1: middlemen and providers charging exorbitant prices for the most basic services.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, try one hundred and eighty dollars an hour
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  Speaker 1: for a shower, food and drink inflated prices beyond belief
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  Speaker 1: and don't even think about someone to clean a gutter
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  Speaker 1: of leaves or pull out some weeds. Now, bear in
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  Speaker 1: mind we are dealing here with independent, elderly Australians who,
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  Speaker 1: aside from a means tested age pension, have never taken
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  Speaker 1: a cent from the government, federal or state. While I
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  Speaker 1: was gobsmacked to be told the answers to two hours
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  Speaker 1: of questions would be fed into the department's computer and
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  Speaker 1: an algorithm would decide to support my mother would or
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  Speaker 1: would not get and worse, no human dispute would be
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  Speaker 1: entered into I mean, welcome to age care twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six under a cash strap labor government chasing the youth
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  Speaker 1: vote at the expense of older Australians. Now I talk
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  Speaker 1: to former agecre Minister Richard Colbert shortly, some of the
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  Speaker 1: statistics that he has provided us outstand astounding, if not,
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  Speaker 1: you know, absolutely disappointing. I mean, the Senator says, while
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  Speaker 1: too high, the in home care waiting list was down
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  Speaker 1: to twenty eight thousand people when he was in charge,
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  Speaker 1: and the waight time and level package waiting time was
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  Speaker 1: thirty to ninety days. Now high needs at the lower
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  Speaker 1: end obviously, now hang on, hang on your walking stick. Here,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one thousand are now on the
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  Speaker 1: waiting list. My mother included another one hundred thousand just
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  Speaker 1: waiting to get assessed. So these figures are continuing to climb.
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  Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirty thousand people and a wake time
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  Speaker 1: at worst fifteen months. And I keep getting messages from
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  Speaker 1: readers and viewers telling me of the horrific stories of
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  Speaker 1: elderly parents dying for before their package arrives. As I
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  Speaker 1: said Richard Colbeck in a moment, but clearly the Minister
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  Speaker 1: in Charge Sam Ray, and ultimately Health Minister Mark Butler,
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  Speaker 1: who by the way, is trying desperately to wrangle NDS
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  Speaker 1: into some sort of affordable scheme good luck with that,
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  Speaker 1: are not serving older Australians properly. And the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is made so much worse by all this political rehtoric
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  Speaker 1: about generational fairness. How about being fair to the people
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  Speaker 1: who built this country instead of treating them like a nuisance.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look at Mark Butler last week or two
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago in the Press Club.
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  Speaker 3: Just as young Australians need us to invest in their opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: Those older Australians who built the country that we are
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  Speaker 3: so privileged to live in today need us also to
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  Speaker 3: invest in their dignity and their care at the end
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  Speaker 3: of their long lives.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly choking on his words, you're not caring for older
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  Speaker 1: Australians at all. I mean, I've had personal experience of it,
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  Speaker 1: and these people are just being tossed on a garbage
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  Speaker 1: heap and you hope that they don't actually end up
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  Speaker 1: getting a package because that's going to cost taxpayers more money.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's appalling. You need to
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  Speaker 1: look after both ends of the age spectrum. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 1: harder for young people to buy a house, but it
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  Speaker 1: was hard for my parents to buy a house as well.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't handed a deposit and given a brand new,
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  Speaker 1: shiny house for nothing. I mean, we've got to get
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  Speaker 1: some perspective in all of this. And you can't have
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  Speaker 1: older people sitting around in their own homes waiting for
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  Speaker 1: more than a year for a package and one of
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  Speaker 1: them dies. I mean, how fair is that? The government
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  Speaker 1: needs a really good hard look at this and the
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  Speaker 1: Minister Sam Ray needs to be moved on. He's a
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  Speaker 1: young bloke with a big opinion of himself, but he's
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  Speaker 1: not doing the job he's paid to do. Now, just
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  Speaker 1: before I go to Tazzy Senta to callback a number
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  Speaker 1: of people on x which is formerly Twitter, have reminded
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  Speaker 1: me today of an incident that happened almost twenty years
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  Speaker 1: ago that has parallels to the broken Promises budget of
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi and Jim Charmers. It was back in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven. It was an election year, an historic
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  Speaker 1: result as it turned out. It was the Kevin O
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  Speaker 1: seven election. He won, John Howard lost his own seat
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  Speaker 1: and Treasurer Peter Costello incredibly quit politics the Sunday after
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  Speaker 1: they lost loss. After the loss, look, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was the Tuesday of the last week of the campaign,
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  Speaker 1: so there was five days to go to pollingdut Channel
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  Speaker 1: nine's entertainment reporter Richard Wilkins and I bumped into each
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  Speaker 1: other in an airport lounge in Melbourne and midnight, oil
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  Speaker 1: frontman and Rudd government candidate Peter Garrett walked in and
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  Speaker 1: Wilkins introduced me to Garrett. I'd never met him before.
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  Speaker 1: I had the front page of the that day's Herald
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  Speaker 1: Son with me that was running a story about how Labor,
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  Speaker 1: in a desperate attempt to win the election, was copying
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  Speaker 1: Howard's policies. My memory of that conversation was that Garrett replied,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry. When we get in, we will just change them. Garrett,
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  Speaker 1: to be fair, claims he was joking, while it didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem much of a joke to me. And I told
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  Speaker 1: my Sydney radio audience what had happened, and then all
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  Speaker 1: hell broke loose. Peter Costello had a quickly organized media conference.
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  Speaker 1: TV cameras surrounded the radio studio. John Howard put out
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  Speaker 1: a statement, Poor old Richard was on a plane with
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  Speaker 1: his phone blowing up with messages seeking a third party
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  Speaker 1: confirmation of what had happened. My point in retelling something
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  Speaker 1: from twenty years ago. Political party promises are not worth
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  Speaker 1: the paper they are written on. And when you win
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  Speaker 1: a thumping election victory think Rudd and Alban easy, you
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  Speaker 1: think you can do anything you want, regardless of what
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  Speaker 1: you said before polling day first to night though fresh
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  Speaker 1: questions over Labour's handling of age care. I'm most so
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  Speaker 1: angry about this. Waiting lists for home care packages are
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  Speaker 1: blowing out again despite repeated promises to fix the crisis,
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  Speaker 1: the Labor politicians are doing nothing to fix it. New
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  Speaker 1: figures show two hundred and thirty thousand, nearly a quarter
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  Speaker 1: more than a quarter of a million older Australians are
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  Speaker 1: now either waiting for home care package or still waiting
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  Speaker 1: just to be assessed, while wait times have now stretched
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  Speaker 1: to around fifteen months. Even more alarming, more than five
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  Speaker 1: thousand elderly Australians reportedly died waiting for support in the
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  Speaker 1: past year alone. That is a national disgrace. And this
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  Speaker 1: is from a government that was deeply critical of the
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  Speaker 1: then Morrison government's handling of age care, particularly through the
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  Speaker 1: worst of the pandemic. Joining me now to discuss this,
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  Speaker 1: former Age Care Minister Senator for Tasmania, Richard Kolbeck Richard, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving me those statistics. Labor came to office,
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  Speaker 1: they promised they'd fix age care. It's got worse, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 5: Prime Minister Alas he promised to put the care back
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  Speaker 5: into age care and the only thing he's put back
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  Speaker 5: is the waiting lists. When I came into the portfolio
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  Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, there was about one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight thousand people on the waiting list and that was.
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  Speaker 4: Way too many.
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  Speaker 5: We worked really hard over the term of the Morrison government.
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  Speaker 5: We put in forty thousand new packages every year, so
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  Speaker 5: that's one hundred and twenty thousand packages.
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  Speaker 4: Over the period of the government.
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  Speaker 5: We reduced the waiting list from one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight thousand to twenty eight thousand, and we were released removed,
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  Speaker 5: decreased the waiting time from over eighteen months down to
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  Speaker 5: thirty to ninety days for a package and level any
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  Speaker 5: level and a high dage.
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  Speaker 4: Package is less than thirty days. So there was an.
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  Speaker 5: Enormous amount of hard work investment that went into that
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  Speaker 5: and that's all bit squandered by this government.
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  Speaker 4: It's worse now than it ever was.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, your mummy's waiting for a home care package.
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  Speaker 5: They're only giving people sixty percent of the value of
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  Speaker 5: the home care package, so they're not even giving people
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  Speaker 5: a full home care package now, it's just outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been classified as level three. I checked what
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  Speaker 1: Level three might have offered pre November one when that
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  Speaker 1: legislation changed last year, and that was around about forty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars the package at level three now is something
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  Speaker 1: like low twenty thousand, so it's halved, it's actually got
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  Speaker 1: half now. Look, I mean I can afford to help
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  Speaker 1: my mother out, so you know, I'm not sitting here
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  Speaker 1: crying poor. But I mean there are people out there Richard,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, who are desperate that all they have
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  Speaker 1: is their age pension. They've just had some of the
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  Speaker 1: rebates on their private health insurance chopped off, and they
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  Speaker 1: are desperate to get some assistance so they can stay
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  Speaker 1: in their own property rather than going into an expensive
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  Speaker 1: age care facility.
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  Speaker 5: This is the complete absurdity of it, Steve.
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  Speaker 4: It is cheaper to keep somebody in their home.
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  Speaker 5: They're happier in their home, and yet the government is
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  Speaker 5: now rational home care packages and the value of home
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  Speaker 5: care packages.
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  Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: And of course this is filling up home residential age
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  Speaker 5: care facilities. Now there are virtually no beds around the
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  Speaker 5: Government's made very little investment in building new residential age
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  Speaker 5: care facilities, so the whole system is now under pressure.
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  Speaker 5: And of course we've got the States saying to us,
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  Speaker 5: we need to get the people out of hospital that
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  Speaker 5: should be in the home. In residential age care. There
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  Speaker 5: are no beds for them, so the whole system is
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  Speaker 5: under pressure. And this is only five years after the
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  Speaker 5: Royal Commission and the then Morrison government seventeen point seven billion.
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  Speaker 4: Dollar response to that.
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  Speaker 5: So all of the hard work that was done through
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  Speaker 5: that period is now being undone and things are worse
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  Speaker 5: than they ever were.
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  Speaker 1: Senator, you lived through the robodebt saga. I was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: staggered when I was told by the young woman doing
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  Speaker 1: the interview with my mother that her answers to two
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  Speaker 1: hours of questions, many of them personal, was going to
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  Speaker 1: be fed into a computer and an algorithm was then
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  Speaker 1: going to spit out what level package she would be
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  Speaker 1: entitled to. We are treating older people by using an
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  Speaker 1: algorithm to decide what they need or not. And worse,
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  Speaker 1: that young lady who's doing an okay job, she was
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  Speaker 1: told you can't if what comes out of the computer
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  Speaker 1: you don't agree with, you can't object to it.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, and it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you have these highly skilled professionals that are
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  Speaker 5: doing the assessments like occurred with your mum, and then
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  Speaker 5: a computer algorithm overrides it. As a part of the
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  Speaker 5: government's rationing of services.
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  Speaker 4: It is just the worst thing. Ever.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't part of the initial trial of the new
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  Speaker 5: assessment tool. It's come along afterwards, and of course it's
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  Speaker 5: causing an enormous ants because people aren't getting the care
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  Speaker 5: that their assessor is needing, which is the point of
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  Speaker 5: the whole system.
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  Speaker 1: We should point out Labor was very quick to target
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  Speaker 1: you as minister. You were even censored in the Senate
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  Speaker 1: at one point. So why is there not, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: why we got not more noise from the media, from
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  Speaker 1: you know, people within the age care sector complaining about
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  Speaker 1: how this system's being allowed to rot on the vine.
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  Speaker 1: All we do is run around talking about intergenerational fairness
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  Speaker 1: and how it's hard for young people to get a home.
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  Speaker 1: I feel sorry for them, but we've got to look
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  Speaker 1: after the people that built this country.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we need to be making sure that everybody's getting
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  Speaker 5: a fair crack here, and certainly at the moment older
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  Speaker 5: people aren't. Labor played the politics very hard during the
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  Speaker 5: pandemic and you know that is what it is we
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  Speaker 5: live through that Australia did a really good job in
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  Speaker 5: protecting people when you look at the overall scheme of things, but.
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  Speaker 4: The point that you made a minute ago.
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  Speaker 5: Five thousand people have died in the last twelve months
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  Speaker 5: waiting for a home care package. That is more than
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  Speaker 5: double the number of people who died with COVID during
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  Speaker 5: the two and a half years of the pandemic while
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  Speaker 5: we're in government. So I share your frustrations, Steve, in
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  Speaker 5: relation to why there's not much more noise about this.
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  Speaker 4: I've spoken about this.
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  Speaker 5: In the Senate a number of times over the last
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  Speaker 5: couple of years because I've watched this waiting list disaster unfold,
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  Speaker 5: and obviously as a fuller minister, I've maintained a bit
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  Speaker 5: of an interest in it. But to see the hard
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  Speaker 5: work that we did in government absolutely squandered is just outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: Because it took a lot of work to get the
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  Speaker 5: funding through RC.
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  Speaker 4: The age care packages out there. The industry did a
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  Speaker 4: great job.
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  Speaker 5: Of building up the numbers. Two hundred and seventy odd
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  Speaker 5: thousand by the time we left government were into the system.
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  Speaker 5: And now this is just all being squandered and we're
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  Speaker 5: back in the situation that the Royal Commission said we
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  Speaker 5: should be.
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  Speaker 4: The Royal Commission said in a tender.
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  Speaker 5: And report we need to end the cruel.
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  Speaker 4: Lottery, which is the home care system.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's now worse than when the Royal Commission reported.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we'll keep on top of it. Senator, appreciate your
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  Speaker 1: time tonight. Thank you very much for the good work
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  Speaker 1: that you have done in the past. And keep making
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  Speaker 1: a noise about it. Okay, let's change tech now. I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about crime anniversary. Yesterday I mentioned it
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  Speaker 1: to you when I was filling in for Chris Kenny.
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  Speaker 1: It's a year, twelve months since the Jassindra Allen government
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  Speaker 1: in Victoria implemented its machete band. They were going to
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  Speaker 1: get tough on machetes. Well, here's some breaking news, premiere.
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  Speaker 1: It has not worked. It's dreadful. I mean these numbers,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, that have been quoted in the Herald Sun,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think they're probably much worse. Four young
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  Speaker 1: people have been killed, that may be correct, and they
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  Speaker 1: claim at least a dozen more victims have been slashed
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  Speaker 1: in forty brazen attacks since those blades were supposedly outlawed.
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  Speaker 1: I think those numbers would be much much higher. Joining
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  Speaker 1: me in the studio, Charlie Bizina form of homicide Squad detective.
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  Speaker 1: Those numbers are a much higher.
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  Speaker 6: Every ms and I think they control what goes out
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  Speaker 6: into the media and the less where the public are told.
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  Speaker 7: It means that crime is still there and it's still
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  Speaker 7: on the increase.
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  Speaker 6: And ultimately, I said it twelve months ago and I'll
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  Speaker 6: say it again, this was a pr stunt by this
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  Speaker 6: government to say, look at us, see what we're doing.
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  Speaker 6: All I've done is drive the machetes underground, so the
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  Speaker 6: ones producing and obtaining the machetes are making more lucrative
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  Speaker 6: market by selling.
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  Speaker 7: It to some market. Correct. So at the fault of
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  Speaker 7: the government.
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  Speaker 1: We sat here at the time and I said, we
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  Speaker 1: both said, look what fourteen year old with a machete
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  Speaker 1: is going to turn up at a police station with
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  Speaker 1: a CCTV camera trained on him, holding a machete and
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  Speaker 1: saying I'm putting it in the bin.
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  Speaker 6: Very much so, And as I said, by a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people, it's the honest person like the gun amnesty
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  Speaker 6: that hand in their weapons and the gardeners that the handyman,
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  Speaker 6: the trades people have done that and that's all I've done.
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  Speaker 6: So thirty milillion dollars could have been spent better in elsewhere.
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  Speaker 6: But it really comes down to and I know, we
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  Speaker 6: can't lock up our way out of all of this.
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  Speaker 6: It has to come down to penalty and consequences, and
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  Speaker 6: we're not reaching that mark at all.
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  Speaker 1: So the stunt was you can't buy a machete, Well,
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  Speaker 1: they've all got them anyway, and then you can put
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  Speaker 1: it in a bin. That's the other part of the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There was never any discussion about a minimum sentence if
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  Speaker 1: you are arrested in charge possessioning a machete.
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  Speaker 6: And that's where the punch comes from, and that's where
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  Speaker 6: the consequences by these people. Look at the murders, the
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  Speaker 6: significant assaults that happened, they all forget about the continue
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  Speaker 6: to forget about the victim of the crime.
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  Speaker 7: That's what's most important.
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  Speaker 6: And we look where we are today with the arsons
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  Speaker 6: that burnout of the liquor shops. The extortion is going
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  Speaker 6: on and then at all time for our our crime.
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  Speaker 6: But currently I spoke, I saw a Meteor article that
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  Speaker 6: said that this judge says, well, this has been forced
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  Speaker 6: upon us by the Attorney General. The course haven't been
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  Speaker 6: told us, well this is what you'll be giving this
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  Speaker 6: sentence to life imprisonment.
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  Speaker 7: You kidding, an't you.
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  Speaker 6: The judges have a prisis that they must follow through
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: the law, so they haven't been told to ignore that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: So mark my words, when this adult time, adult crime
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: comes into play.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: One case has been yeah, one.
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, correct, we haven't got the penalty yet. I mean
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: you talk.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: About the garsen on bottle shops and stuff. There was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a sixteen year old in court this week. He was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: convicted he was responsible for the torching of a company
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: called eighty Proof, their warehouse, their stock of the booze
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that they make. It's a three million dollar damage.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It started out at one but the owners have now
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: said no, it's more like three million. The judge in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: court has said, well, you've been a bad boy. You
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: need to actually go and get a job and realize
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that he shouldn't be doing. The kid when he was
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: originally sent into custody cride and the magistrate was worried
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that he was mentally unwell.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: That's right, that's right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: And then they c only had parents. That was the insupportable. Again,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: what are the parents doing about? I know it's diy
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: a little control these teenagers and adolescents, but as they
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: always said, okay, he's got the intellect of an eight
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: year old or whatever. But my ten year old grandson
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: knows right from wrong. They know about Okay, burn the
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: place down, you're going to get paid twenty thousand dollars
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: and contact this cash and then we send people out,
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: So they understand all that, But all of a sudden
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: that I don't understand the consequences of crime spamming.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, correct. I've just in thinking about crime this week,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I've noticed that the media has almost stopped reporting. Hope
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: one of two things has happened. The media is I've
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: obviously stopped reporting home invasion or the police have stopped
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: telling the media the home invasions have happened. Now I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: can't imagine home invasions have stopped, correct, But we're not
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: hearing about it. Have we become so used to the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: fact that this happens that it's not newsworthy anymore. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: mean that's part of our fault.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, very much so.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Being pushed And so the figures of the crime overnight
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: has to come from the police the meeting.
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: They don't hear about it.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Unlock the old days where they had their police radios,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: et cetera, and going to these crime scenes.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Now, yeah, very much so.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: But today Charlie's on his way to murder. Let's get
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in the car.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: They're relying upon what they're told by the police and say, well,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: we don't report it and we don't want to instill fear.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: But they are the facts.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: We are get complacent and murder used to make front
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: page news back exactly, and murders make just before the
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: sports pages these days.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Before you go. I saw a picture today there was
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: an under funeral I shouldn't laugh at blow called John Higgs.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He spent a lot of fourteen years, last fourteen years
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: of his life in jail. He got out at seventy
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: five and he died the next He's described as a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: drug baron. But you've got you, Mick Gaddo there in
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a big coat with gold chains around his neck. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: bike he's pulling up in ram muteses. It is like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: seriously something out of The Godfather.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: Very much of a mad appearances, and I am showing as.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: A mop bell there too.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Well, there you go. I never saw that particular piece.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: But ultimately, you know, we appear and these people appear,
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: not we, but that these people appear at these funerals
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: to be seen to be part of the klan, as
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: it were, with these underwell figures and say well and
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: how good are we? So it's just the game that
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: they play.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I presume the police take photographs.
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: And try and they'd be in there the old day.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: The old days, the consortis had been in there in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the church.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: And that's a prime point about consorting. The Olk bring
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: back the old consorting law. We lock them up for
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: consorting and we lost all that by this buddy labor government.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I loved the consorts they were great. Good to see him.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you. After the break, Indigenous protests have set up
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that camp at the site of Brisbane's new Olympic Stadium.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They're refusing to budge. So what impact could that have
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: on Brisbane? Thirty two plans across to Brisbane and Campbell Newman. Next,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: welcome back to Steve Price with you. We'll have a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: look at ndies and the government trying to rain in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: costs on that as well. Shortly, I said at the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: beginning of the program that this Indigenous tense city has
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: been set up on the construction site for the Brisbane
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Olympic Stadium. Now the police moved in they gave demonstrators
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: there at two o'clock deadline to get out of the place.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: They've refused. The police have taken down I thought the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: police handled this extremely well. They've taken down the protests
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: tents there were I think four people arrested, some and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: others have refused to move on. Here's what unfolded on
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the site, A bit of what unfolded on the site today.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: Always we.
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: Can coexist together and a beautiful place like this does
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: not need to be ruined for a business idea.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: And either right to maintain my culture and ceremony and
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: not be forced into assimilation.
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: Absolutely disgraceful that council has chosen to scoop in early.
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: It's a disgracefully heavy handed an unnecessary response from council.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: That last blokes of Green's councilor in Queens Andrew might
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: even be at Green's mp I found it very amusing
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that the young lady in that grabbed there called the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Olympic Games a business idea. I think the Olympics might
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: be a bit bigger than that, is the Friday guest
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of Mine, Queen's former Queensland Premier and Brisbane former Brisbane
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Lord Mayor Campbell Newman conflicted in this area because he
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't himself like the location. What do you make of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: all of that today.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Well, Steve, I am conflicted.
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: So I'll say that up front, I'm a fierce opponent
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: of this decision. I point out that Premier Chris of Foley,
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: not opposition leader Christoph Fawley, but Premier Christoph Foley said
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: there'd be no new stadiums and said there'd be no
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: stadium in Victoria Park.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Let's be very clear.
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: While you know some people might say, oh, look, this
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: is just same, same old from some people in the
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: Aboriginal community protesting. I'll say this, it's a matter of
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: black on white historical fact that this site was very
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: significant for Aboriginal people. Now I'm saying that as a
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: as a white person, but as someone who has read
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: a lot of history.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: In my time.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: As Mayor of Brisbane and as Premier of the state.
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: So it's not rubbish, it's not a try on. This
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: is culturally significant to Aboriginal people. And that's why there
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: are claims from some of the leading elders that are
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: there in front of Minister Murray. What the federal minister
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: under the federal legislation, and so that's why this whole stadium.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Could be subject to legal claim.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Well, let me play the agent provocats from the other side.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I understand that there is black and white historical links
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of Indigenous people to that ground there. Do they ever
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: go there and do they use it?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good question.
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: It's a legitimate question, but I'm not sure if that
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: is particularly relevant when this is a beautiful natural place
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: in the heart of our city.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, Steve, for Melbourne people.
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: Would you believe would you agree to building a new
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: stadium in your wonderful botanic gardens or domain?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: For Sydney siders, would you do that just at the back.
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: Of Farm Cove. That's what's happening here. This was a
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: piece of real estate set aside, not to be chopped
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: up and developed or used for a variety of functions.
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: It was set aside as a park back in the
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies. That's why I've particularly opposed this.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: There are other sites that should have been picked or
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: certainly superior to this in my opinion, and that's why
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: till the very end I'll be there supporting not only
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: the indigenous elders who are against it, but also of
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: course the community people who've been putting up a pretty
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: fierce fight against this proposal.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I thought the police handed themselves particularly well today, and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to be fair, the majority of the protesters. I mean,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: if this confrontation had happened in Melbourne, you would have
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: had people throwing marbles at police horses, you would have
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: had molotov cocktails. There would have been people punching and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: dragging police onto the ground. I think that was handled
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: pretty well. But this is where this is going to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: get worse up here in the Sunshine States. Well, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: know that we're wonderful on Monday. On Monday the machinery
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: turns up and the fence goes up. What's going to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: happen then, well.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: I'd be just saying to the federal Minister Murray Waite,
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: it's time to step up and actually make a decision
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: on these claims that have been lodged with you by
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: the elders, a number of the aunties in particular, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: know for a fact of put in these claims on
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: the grounds of cultural heritage.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And he needs to make a call.
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: And by the way, if the process isn't followed properly,
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: you can expect. I would say that some of these
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: elders may take the matter to the courts. Now I'm
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: not involved with them, and they have.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: To make their own call on that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: These are the elders, whether they'll pursue legal action. But
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: you know, well, I for one, of course, I hope
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: they do, and I would be backing them one hundred
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: percent if they choose to exercise some legal right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Just before you go, I want to have a look
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: at this grab at Tony Abbott. He's been elected today
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: unopposed as the president of the Liberal Party. Is here
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: he was announcing that in Melbourne today we.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: Are drifting backwards. Our economy is stagnating, our society is fragmenting,
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: our security is imperiled, and underneath it all there is
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: a kind of spiritual malaise.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: I promise you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: We are under new management.
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: We are hungry to win for our country's sake.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Just briefly, is this the start of the comeback of
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party that they so desperately need.
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: Well, look, I've got the utmost respect for Tony Abbott
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: and I totally agree with the grab that you just played.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: But until such time for example, as I see, for example,
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: David Chris a Foley Premier LMP Premier of Queensland talking
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: about this.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: This country is in the grips of a malaise.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: We have gone backwards, but you never know it from
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: the LMP government in Queensland who never talk about these matters,
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: who never take a stand, and they are in power,
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: and across the nation when I hear Jess Wilson in
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: Victoria talking about it or other stuff leaders, or down
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: in Tasmania the PREP Premier rock Cliffe, I mean, you
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: know it's going to take more than Tony Abbott to
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: turn the Titanic around or the super tanker heading on
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: the rocks. I'm afraid and people like me who have
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: left the Liberal National Party and I joined the Libertarians
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: in disgust four or five years ago, we will take
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: a lot of convincing before we would, I think, come
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: back and park a primary vote with the Liberal National Parties,
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: because you know they have been so far to the
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: left in recent years. By the way, I was interested
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: to see in reporting of this State Council meeting, of
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: this council meeting of the Liberal Party that Senator James
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: McGrath is doing the review of the election result. I mean,
• 29:50
  Speaker 10: you know, he's one of the guys who knife Tony Abbott,
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: and he's also one of the lefties who've taken over
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: the l n P part hearing queens, what do you
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: I never.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Hear him talking.
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: I never hear hear him talking about small business and
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: private enterprise and low taxes and getting rid of regulation.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Didn't budget reply speech.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: They've got a hell of a long way to go,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: hell of a long way to go. Good to catch up,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: my friend. I'll see your next Friday night. Campbell Newman
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: there look blasted the treatment earlier in the program of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: older Australians. Are going to keep going on about that
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: long waiting list for in home care now while that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: system's a big mess. Well then you've got the NDS,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the money pit that is the ndis. Regardless of what
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Mark Butler tells you, it's still being rauted. Opposition NDS
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: spokeswoman Melissa Macintosh says the coalition will not guarantee that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they will support Labour's legislation to reign their fifty billion
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: dollar scheme in and she joins me, live is that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: right that you have doubts about the way that they
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: are going to legislate to fix this mess.
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: Melissa, thanks for coming for having me on, and my
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: comments by no mean that I don't agree that we
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: need to fix this thing. It's the way they're going
• 31:10
  Speaker 11: about it. I made a movement amendment in the Parliaments
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: just the other day and it was around the lack
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: of focus on the routing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: And we had even the.
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: Cross bench, One Nation everyone on our side because we've
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: identified that the government is not doing enough and we
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: know there is roughty.
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: In the system.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: I watch one of one of your takes where you
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: were talking about a former prisoner coming out of jail
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: and going straight onto the NDIS. One of our policy
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: platforms is to ensure that you have to be an
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: Australian citizen to get on the NDIS. No one knows
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: how many non citizens are on the NDIS. The government
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: won't tell Australians, so there is a lot going on
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: in the system. This is a once in a generation
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: chance to get this right, to reduce the ex expenditure.
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: But I think what the.
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: Government's missing here to reduce the absolute crooks, criminals, the
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: people that have made this completely toxic in the system.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Well, we really do need an inquiry, and I'm the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: last person to say we need more inquiries, but you
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: have to cut this thing off at the head, which
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: is the providers who are treating disabled people as cash cows.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: They're almost like ATMs for these people who get their
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: hooks into someone who's got a disability and they know
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that there's a pot of government money there, Melissa, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they go and grab it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: I'm glad you mentioned both the participants that disabled people,
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: and you also mentioned an inquiry. I thought really hard
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: to ensure that we do have a center inquiry. It
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: will be over three days and it will be an
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: opportunity to prosecute and to dig deeper into this whole thing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: But at the heart of this are people in need
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: that do have severe disability, and they're the ones that
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: are scared right now. There was no consultation by the
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: government when they decided to make these carts. And I'm
• 33:11
  Speaker 11: also concerned that, you know, the government's already sort of
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: said that this is about the budget and they've already
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: spent the NDIS savings. I'm concerned that the states haven't
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: come on board yet and that this will just be
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: a cost shifting exercise, perhaps moving from the NDIS budget
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: to the health budget. But the end of the day,
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: the tax payers still have to pay for the thing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: So people with severe disability needs to be right front
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: and center because they still need that support. But let's
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: clean this thing up, get people registered, as you said,
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: get those dodgy providers out. And I want to acknowledge
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: that it's not everyone, but get the dodgy providers out
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: of the system, because you know, there's a lot of
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: work to do. And I have see if I have
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: huge doubts around this target that government has set. They
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: want a growth target of two percent. It's sitting out
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: over eleven percent now. They haven't reached their previous targets
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: of eight and five percent, so there's big question marks
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: whether they can actually achieve this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: How will is three day Senate inquiry work? Is that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: putting three days aside of Senate estimates around this NDIS
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: scheme or is it separate to the estimates?
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: It will be separate.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: So we negotiated with the government to have three specific
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: days run by the Senate committee that looks after this
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: sort of work, and it's been open to the public
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: to make submissions. I think there's one hundreds already up
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: on the website and then there will be open hearing
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: and hopefully it'll be a chance for us our serious
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: questions of the government. I want to see it's modeling.
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: We need to know that this is going to work.
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: You're putting a lot of Australians into high anxiety here.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: We need to know that the outcomes will be sufficient
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: and it will reduce the spending, because I think every
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: Australia knows that has to happen. This thing is an
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: out of control train wreck right.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Now, Melissa, more power to you. I watched that three
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: days with great interest. Thanks for joining us tonight. Well
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: it is Friday night, so we can lighten up a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: little bit with those. It's not the lightest of topics.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: But it's taking longer than ever to get to the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: summit of Mount Everest. You won't believe the pictures that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show you of the queue of people there.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: They are. Look at that they're queuing up to get
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to the top of the summit. Up next after the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: break Adrian Hayes, He's done it, He's climbed Everest. Welcome
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: back to price with you our panel shortly. Is its
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: appropriate for senior politicians to swear in public. I'm not
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: sure I have such a problem with it. We will
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: talk to Joe hild around a mere schlip about that shortly.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But those scenes on Mount Everest this week. It's peak
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: season for anyone that wants to summit highest mountain as
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: we know in the world. It's not where you might
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: expect a traffic jam.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Bizarre footage from various adventurers as this week revealed that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the bottleneck they are forced to endure as they battle
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: their way to the top. I showed you pictures of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that just a few moments ago. You wonder what Sir
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Edmund Hillary and sher pretendsing would make him all of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: this well, our Sky News regular our men in the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: UK joins us every couple of Friday nights. Adrian Hayes
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: has conquered Everest more than twenty years ago. Adrian, did
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you have to queue up like that?
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  Speaker 13: Good even receiver?
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  Speaker 7: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 14: I was when a small four man team with four sherpers,
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: one of them was Tim Colkhoun from Brighton, Victoria.
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: And I was behind.
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: I started on my own eyes behind because ox mask
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: failed the whole way up, so I had to summit
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: to myself for about an hour on the top. They
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: found that way down, so completely different sea that I had.
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  Speaker 14: You will not see have scenes like that these days.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: There'll be crowds and crowds of people on the top,
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: and you know, I don't appear a moralistic sort of hubris,
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: you know.
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  Speaker 13: Like back in the day.
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: It was much different back and then you know, because
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: people were bemoaning people from nineteen eighty six would have
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: said twenty oh six when I did, it was way different,
• 37:20
  Speaker 14: of course, but there's a massive sea change between twenty
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: oh six and twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 13: As you've just shown, how hard is it to do well.
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  Speaker 14: The summit's still the same height as always was eight
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  Speaker 14: four nine meters whatever that is in feet twenty nine
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  Speaker 14: oh thirty feet, but.
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: It's what it's a mountain below it that's changed.
• 37:42
  Speaker 14: So you know, if you have got enough money, you
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: can pay for enough oxygen ten liters a minute to
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: get to get up, you're gonna have sherpas toport ten sherpas.
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: There was an Arabic princess who had nineteen sherpers in
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: support at one stage or one few years ago, so
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: it can be money can buy you anything. Like I say,
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: you know, the summit's the same, but it's the experience
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: the same. I don't think doing that showing what you're
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: showing now will be anywhere near the experience of climbing
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: a Lessipee Cossiosco in Australia on your own for instance.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: How long are the people now allowed to stay up
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: where you set around for an hour?
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: Well, you know with the ques takes time. Of course,
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: you're in the death zones. You're in a dangerous place
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: to start with, so I don't think people will spend
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: more than five ten minutes or something like that, you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 14: And I know a lot of your viewers will say, well,
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: they've got to stop this, and the Paul government is
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: trying to put some curtailments on you know, your qualification.
• 38:39
  Speaker 14: But the fact is the demand is there now. People
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: want to get to the top of the world. It's
• 38:44
  Speaker 14: a box ticking exercise and the supplier is there and
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: it's a well organized operation. The difference between Everest and
• 38:52
  Speaker 14: Cans and Junger the Third Eyes, which I climbed last year,
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: it's completely start. Only ten summits, no reports, no nothing,
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: So it has become a little bit of a social
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: media influence sort of.
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: I don't know, just you know, just a little bit
• 39:08
  Speaker 13: of a circus, a little bit.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Perhaps we did have a Melbourne teenager, Bianca Edlas, she's
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: on the idea and do it. I mean, that's pretty impressive,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: The trouble is where do you stop with the youngest?
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: Because the problem apart from you know, I think you
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: climb a mountain really authentic wise, the pursuit of growth,
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: of a personal goal, of achievement of life, of meaning,
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: rather than the pursuit of likes, followers, recognition, validation and
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: so on. I t I had a fantastic effort, but
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: you know you're gonna In fact, they've they've stopped people
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: below sixteen now because it goes long, you know, younger
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: and younger. There was a twelve year old boy climate
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: years ago, which was crazy, to be honest.
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: Then you got youngest and.
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: Oldest of fastest, and the first on one leg, the
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: first blindfolded.
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: Where do you stop with all these records?
• 39:56
  Speaker 14: As I say, that's where not all, but there's a
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: little bit of demand for this validation that's taking over
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: not just on Everest but really everywhere in our society
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: these days.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: So you're saying me, it's seventy one, it's too late.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I can't do it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: Steve, you come with me, mate, I'll get you up.
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: I'll put you on ten often also leaders per a minute.
• 40:17
  Speaker 14: Well, a nice cafe, laughing at the top, massage at
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: base club.
• 40:21
  Speaker 13: You'll get up there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I'll fund the nineteen sherpers so we can do it
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in style. Adrian, don't you worry about that? Good on
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: your mate. I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Adrian there. I mean, what an effort that is by
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: him up the top for an hour and he didn't
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: have to worry about a queue. And he is a champion.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: What about that? He has climbed plenty of mountains. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: tell you now? Is it okay to swear? Angus Taylor's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: used a description against the Prime Minister this week. You've
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: probably heard it and read it. We'll get the thoughts
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of our Friday panel up next. Welcome Uck, We're on
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Dean coming up shortly now. Angus Taylor. Yesterday the Opposition leader,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he called the Prime Minister Anthony Albanzi an arrogant prick.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Now this happened in Parliament. I think he said it
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and was caught on a hot mic. Today the Opposition
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: leader doubled down on the comments. Have a look.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: I have to say that I'm hearing far worse than
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: the moment from others. I had to withdraw it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It was unparliamentary.
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: The truth is that people who are running small businesses,
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: farmers are angry at a government that lied to them
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: before the last election, said that these taxes weren't going
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: to come into place, and this is an absolute war
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: on aspiration.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Joining me now our Friday Night PANELASCON has contributed Joe Hildebrand,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Research fellow at Institute of Public Affairs, Mia Schlitt. Welcome
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: to you both. I think we've got your wrong title
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: their mayor. Apologies for that. Now, I want to be
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: clear on what I think about this. I think the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: highest office in the land, the office of the Prime Minister,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: deserves respect. You might not like anything that Anthony Albanese
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is doing, and there's a lot of people in the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: country at the moment who completely disagree with his policies,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: particularly the budget, but I think you have to respect
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the office. I've interviewed and reported on a lot of
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Prime ministers a lot that I liked and a lot
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I've never written that in a column or
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: used that sort of language against the office.
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: Over to you, Joe, Yeah, look, I think you've just
• 42:18
  Speaker 15: got to at least be one or the other. So
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: either you say that you do respect the office and
• 42:22
  Speaker 15: that your such language is never suitable. I mean, it
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: is obviously unparliamentary, but let's face it, politicians and journalists
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: for that matter, have used far worse language all the
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: time in newsrooms or down at the pub. Or you
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: say that, or you say that, Look, you know, we're
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: all tough, We've all got a thick skin. You've got
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: to have a thick skin to get there, and that,
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: you know, a bit of argie bargie is always going
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: to happen. Now, it's fine to defend Angus Taylor for
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: saying that I'm not clutching my pearls about it, But
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: I know that the Liberal Party was clutching its pearls when,
• 42:56
  Speaker 15: for example, Anthony Albanezi made a joke about our member
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: constantly interrupting having Tourette syndrome, and they.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Said, oh no, this is terribly offensive.
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: We can't do that. He has to apologize and he did.
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: Indeed that the PM did get up later and apologize
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: to the Parliament. But either either it's okay or it's not.
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: You can't just sort of pick and choose your selective
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: outrage when.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: It suits you. Anyone in the media who's took her
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a phone call from Paul Keating when he was from
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and the Badger. What was said by Angus Taylor is
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: very very mild. Jacinda Allen Mia, she's joined in and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: maybe we can even support what she said. She was
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: talking about I think the young people who are lighting
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: fires and destroying businesses. She's called them dickheads they are.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Is that appropriate?
• 43:49
  Speaker 12: No, it's not appropriate, Steve, and I don't like it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: I just don't like it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 16: I feel like the standard amongst our politicians is slipping.
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: I mean, you look back to the great orators such
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: as Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher and how they would
• 44:00
  Speaker 16: be able to command the attention of the nation with
• 44:03
  Speaker 16: just a few words, and now we have our politicians
• 44:06
  Speaker 16: running around.
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: Just using this kind of language.
• 44:09
  Speaker 16: It doesn't feel like the kind of leadership Australians deserve
• 44:12
  Speaker 16: or the kind of leadership Australians are looking for. And
• 44:15
  Speaker 16: I can understand why politicians are doing it. I think
• 44:18
  Speaker 16: they're slipping into this trend of trying to make everything
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: go viral and trying to feel like there all could
• 44:22
  Speaker 16: be everyone's made at the pub, and this is how
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: we all speak colloquially. But I don't want these guys
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: to be my mates. They're not my friends. They're meant
• 44:29
  Speaker 16: to be our leaders. They're meant to represent our interests,
• 44:32
  Speaker 16: and I want them to show that leadership.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're quite right to say that lack of leadership
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: in world politics at the moment is pretty pretty dire.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Joe a story that should deserve more attention, I think,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and people should start talking about it. Office works, we
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: all use office works. They are going to ship hundreds
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: of jobs off to the Philippines and I think to India.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: This is increasingly becoming something that large retailers who run
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: phone line sales are doing. We should be very concerned
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: about this, I think, because it's too easy to let
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: AI and offshore take jobs off Australians. I mean hundreds
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and hundreds of office workers office works workers have been
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: laid off today.
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it is very I have to say. I actually
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: stopped at office works and bought a one hundred dollars
• 45:22
  Speaker 15: printing cartridge before I actually read the news about this happening,
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: and that is obviously a bit embarrassing for me, because
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: I'm one of the voices behind the back Australia campaign
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: that News Corp Is doing for precisely this reason, saying
• 45:37
  Speaker 15: that we need to keep jobs on Australian shores. It's
• 45:40
  Speaker 15: important that we make things here. And indeed, even if
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: it's just sort of back office or technological support or
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: whatever it is, we all know how frustrating, so those
• 45:49
  Speaker 15: conversations can be when you're struggling to make yourself understood
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: or to understand what people are saying in the other direction.
• 45:58
  Speaker 15: It is inevitable though, I mean, these things are going
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: to happen as long as we are in a cost
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: of living crisis. As long as companies like office works
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: are under so much pressure to keep prices low, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: there's so much upwards pressure on prices, they are going
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: to put their market share and their ability to attract
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: and keep customers above everything else, because that is what
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: a retailer has to do. And so it's just another
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: I suppose example of the flow on effects. The knock
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: on effects, the negative knock on effects when you don't
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: have an economy that is where you need it to be.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Don't you love how cheap printer corntriages are after.
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: Oh my God, doesn't make it anyway, he's a printer,
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: it's for he's a cartridge.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It's three hundred I know, and we all fall through
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the trick me a labor front bench remark. But he's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: now warned landlords have quote no basis to hype rents,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: based only solely on the changes that his government's made
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to negative gearing and kept gainst tax. Here's what he
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: had to say, he look, is there.
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: A chance your modeling is incorrect?
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Now we'll back the officials in treasury mark.
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: Have you ever seen anyone put the rent up two
• 47:12
  Speaker 17: dollars a week?
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: No?
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: Well, that's average across the whole sector.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: As I said, because we've.
• 47:18
  Speaker 17: Got people, we've got people writing in they're already having
• 47:21
  Speaker 17: rent increases of way more than that every year.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Me of these guys don't understand anything about renting. I mean,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the only rent that they pay is when they've got
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: an apartment in Canberra that the taxpayer pays the rent.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That's the only time they'd even use the word rent.
• 47:42
  Speaker 16: I've completely got no cluidal and to stand up there
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: and say, look, there's no basis for landlords to be
• 47:47
  Speaker 16: doing it, so they shouldn't be. Well as a rent
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: ial to you this right now, landlords can do whatever
• 47:52
  Speaker 16: the market lets them do. And it was a government
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: in their own budget that admitted these changes would result
• 47:58
  Speaker 16: in rental increases depletely anticipated. So now to try and
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: walk that back, it's just beyond for me. But I
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: do think we're all skirting around the issue here. These
• 48:07
  Speaker 16: CGT reforms were brought in because as an excuse, as
• 48:11
  Speaker 16: they were saying that it would make home ownership easier
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: first home buyers, it will do nothing of the sorts.
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: At the end of the day, we have a supply
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: and a demand issue in this country. We have a
• 48:21
  Speaker 16: government who does not want to look at the demand
• 48:24
  Speaker 16: problem and is completely incapable of looking at the supply
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: side of things, and that's why housing prices are going up,
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: and that's why rents are going up. So unless we
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: start looking at that supply and demand issue, the situation
• 48:34
  Speaker 16: will continue to get worse. Rather than sitting around and
• 48:36
  Speaker 16: tinkering with capital gains tax reforms. That's not going to
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: do anything to help young people get into the market
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: as they're packaging that it will.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you about Justice Sir Robert beach Jones,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: High Court of Australia delivered what might be one of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the most important speeches by High Court justice in years
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and it involved the organization that you are involved with.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Tell me about this.
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: Yes, it was quite an extraordinary speech.
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: So Justice beach Jones, who sits on the High Court,
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: about two weeks ago, made a speech criticizing the Samuel
• 49:11
  Speaker 16: Griffiths Society, which I'm the executive director of, calling us
• 49:15
  Speaker 16: out for fighting the culture was now the Samuel Griffith Society.
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: Our purpose is very very clear.
• 49:21
  Speaker 16: We sit here to communicate to these Australians what decisions
• 49:24
  Speaker 16: are being made by judges in the court.
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: We are there to make sure that they are applying
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: the law as.
• 49:30
  Speaker 16: It is written, not as may wish it was written,
• 49:34
  Speaker 16: as some of our judges are doing. And for this
• 49:36
  Speaker 16: High Court judge that was too much to stomach and
• 49:39
  Speaker 16: he came back lashing out at the Samuel Griffith Society.
• 49:42
  Speaker 16: I think that's just interesting to show how little scrutiny
• 49:46
  Speaker 16: is put on the High Court, even though they make
• 49:48
  Speaker 16: decisions all the time that affect the outcomes for Australians,
• 49:53
  Speaker 16: and yet when they're held to account they don't like it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 16: So the Samuel Griffiths Society will continue.
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: To do what we have always I said we'll do, and.
• 50:00
  Speaker 16: They just holding the daters to account and communicating to
• 50:03
  Speaker 16: Australians what decisions are being made.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Strong words, Mea Will said Joe, thank you very much
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: for both of you. I'm just not sure about this
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: bad language by politicians. I think it should stop. See
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you next week.