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Orioles Reality Check + Tigers 1B Spencer Torkelson joins FT · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by Tim Barbalace, co host of
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Speaker 1: bird Land Territory, also does Ravens pregame and Orioles Road
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Speaker 1: post game pregames on one oh five point seven The Fan.
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Speaker 1: Get good to see you, Tim, Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being here. Let's talk a little bit about the
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Speaker 1: O's it just seems like a very broad stroke brush here.
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Speaker 1: They just don't seem to be able to have any
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Speaker 1: sort of traction right now, headed in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: An overview if you could please of what's going on
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Speaker 1: in Baltimore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a very disappointing start to the season,
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Speaker 2: there's no way around it. Where we were talking a
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Speaker 2: lot heading into the season that it seemed like they
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Speaker 2: had an easy schedule and it ended up playing out
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Speaker 2: that way. Guys, they've played thirty six games and they've
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Speaker 2: only played seven games against teams with winning records. That's
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Speaker 2: the Pirates they got swept there, and then the Yankees
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Speaker 2: in which they got dominated in that four game series.
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Speaker 2: And despite that, there's still four games under five hundred
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Speaker 2: and this team has had several big time wins. His
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Speaker 2: six run comeback against the Diamondbacks, you thought that that
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Speaker 2: would build some momentum at that point, they won six
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Speaker 2: of seven and then they immediately dropped six of seven.
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Speaker 2: They just haven't been able to sustain any success, and
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Speaker 2: there's been so many disappointments throughout this season. Defense being
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Speaker 2: a top the list, it seems like they're just making
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Speaker 2: self inflicted mistakes at least once a game. Still waiting
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Speaker 2: for that lineup to be consistent. But this starting rotation.
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Speaker 2: I had a lot of high expectations for that group
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Speaker 2: heading into the year, and they just haven't delivered so far.
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Speaker 3: Why why'd you have high expectations? I mean, honestly, Bradish
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Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stay healthy.
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Speaker 4: Really.
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Speaker 3: Bassett, we saw he got moved to the bullpen for
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Speaker 3: the Blue Jays Rogers had a nice second half, but
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Speaker 3: he hasn't proven this over a long period of time.
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Speaker 3: Shane Base I love, but he also kind of hasn't
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Speaker 3: proven it over a full stretch of time. And then
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Speaker 3: if you go past that, then you're like, Okay, well
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Speaker 3: where are we at with Povich and some of these
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Speaker 3: other guys. So why did you have so much faith
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Speaker 3: in just starting rotation once Eflyn went down? Because to me,
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Speaker 3: this is still their biggest weakness and now you lose
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Speaker 3: Ryan Elsley. You can almost throw the bullpen in there
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Speaker 3: with that too. But why would you Why did you
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Speaker 3: have so much confidence in this starting rotation.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny that the bullpen.
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Speaker 2: I would say it was my biggest concern heading into
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Speaker 2: the year, that in the defense. But the bullpen's been
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Speaker 2: a pleasant surprise. But they've really fallen back down to
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Speaker 2: earth in the past week or so. As far as
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Speaker 2: the starting rotation, guys, you want to just look year
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Speaker 2: over year heading into opening day. Dean Kramer was on
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Speaker 2: this opening day roster last year he got sent down.
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Speaker 2: Zach Eflin was their ace last year, their opening day starter.
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Speaker 2: He ended up being slotted in as their number five.
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Speaker 2: And Kate Povich was in their starting rotation last year.
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Speaker 2: He was in Norfolk as well. So it was night
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Speaker 2: and day better on paper. Obviously, it hasn't planned played
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Speaker 2: out that way. Kyle Bradish has been a stud and
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Speaker 2: he's dealt with injuries.
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Speaker 4: But you can even go back to last.
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Speaker 2: Year when he came back off Tommy John for that
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Speaker 2: six seven start stretch, he was really really good.
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Speaker 4: He has not looked like Kyle Bradish this year. That
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Speaker 4: walks have.
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Speaker 2: Been a significant issue. Trevor Rodgers. He was unworldly last
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Speaker 2: year first three starts of the season. This year he
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Speaker 2: was really really good. Since that point, he's gotten guys
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Speaker 2: the two strikes. The craziest stat. Batters are hitting over
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Speaker 2: three hundred off Trevor Rodgers with two strikes this season.
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Speaker 2: He's just not been able to get that put away
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Speaker 2: pitch to those guys. And you're right, Bassett, it's been
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Speaker 2: a mess Shane base he has yet to really realize
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Speaker 2: that type of potential as well.
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Speaker 4: I just it's a concern.
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Speaker 2: It's a serious, serious concern, and I guess I did
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Speaker 2: end up overlooking it.
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Speaker 4: But on paper it was much better year over year.
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Speaker 5: But isn't pitching affected by defense.
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Speaker 6: I know we have so many analytics that says like,
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Speaker 6: you know, independent pitching, all that stuff, But to me,
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Speaker 6: when your defense and I want you to hit on
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Speaker 6: some of them, if you have any of the numbers
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Speaker 6: of their defense, because they're pretty abysmal.
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Speaker 5: Is crazy because there's so many guys.
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Speaker 6: Playing out of position from an organization that had so
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Speaker 6: much Oh my gosh, we could put together an entire
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Speaker 6: minor league team from Norfolk that could compete in the
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Speaker 6: big leagues, and now all these guys are here and
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Speaker 6: some of them are playing maybe out of position, and
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Speaker 6: yet like people are like, well the pitching's bad to me.
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Speaker 6: The defense doesn't make the place for them, and so
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Speaker 6: then they get put in a position to give up
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Speaker 6: a homer or not to get that strikeout when they
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Speaker 6: would have been out of the inning.
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Speaker 2: The defense has been abysmal this season. There's no way
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Speaker 2: around it. It's this is an organization. We talked about
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Speaker 2: it on my show locally on one of five seven
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Speaker 2: a lot yesterday. This organization doesn't prioritize defense.
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Speaker 4: They just haven't. They just they don't.
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Speaker 2: And a big issue that you see in the minor
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Speaker 2: leagues is they pride themselves on positional versatility. Well, if
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Speaker 2: you can play multiple positions and you're not really good
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Speaker 2: at either, what does it really matter?
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Speaker 4: And you're yo yelling so.
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Speaker 2: Many of these guys, where Kobe Mayo is a perfect example.
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Speaker 2: He's clearly not a third basement. But you know that
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Speaker 2: with how the roster is constructed and Jordan Westburg being hurt,
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Speaker 2: you're trying to shove a square peg into a round
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Speaker 2: hole there. But he's not a third baseman. This outfield
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Speaker 2: defense is a mess. Taylor Ward has been fantastic as
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Speaker 2: a batter this year, it's rough seeing him in the outfield.
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Speaker 2: There's guys not covering second base that happened yesterday. And
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Speaker 2: you can look at errors where I think they've made
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Speaker 2: the fifth most errors in baseball. But guys, it's the
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Speaker 2: plays that aren't ruled as errors, where you're giving guys
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Speaker 2: an extra ninety feet and giving guys an extra out.
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Speaker 2: It just can't happen. When you're a struggling ball club
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Speaker 2: like this, you cannot afford to have the amount of
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Speaker 2: self inflicted mistakes that they have. I was super concerned
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Speaker 2: about this defense heading into the season.
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Speaker 4: It's been much worse than expectations.
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Speaker 7: Tim. You talked about the errors, and there's one thing.
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Speaker 1: When you're making a physical error, you just can't get
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Speaker 1: to a play or whatever reason. But when you're making
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Speaker 1: mental errors, those are things that are going to keep
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Speaker 1: managers up at night. You also mentioned Jordan Westburg diagnosed
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Speaker 1: with that partially torn ligament. He's shut down from baseball activities.
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Speaker 1: What do they do with him? What's the decision? Do
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Speaker 1: they wait, do they have surgery? What happens with him?
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Speaker 2: I think the writing's on the wall at this point
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Speaker 2: when it comes to Jordan Westburg, where they just had
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Speaker 2: to shut him again because he's been experiencing some elbow issues.
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Speaker 2: I think it's Tommy John. It just always looks that way.
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Speaker 2: The PRP shot is far from a certainty, and it sucks.
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Speaker 2: It sucks for Jordan Westburg the player. It sucks for
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Speaker 2: the Orioles the team because Jordan Westburg is the glue
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Speaker 2: to this lineup. He is a former All Star. You
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Speaker 2: can look at the numbers from the day Jordan Westburg
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Speaker 2: got brought up in twenty twenty three to now. When
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Speaker 2: he is in the lineup compared to when he is
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Speaker 2: out of the lineup, the Orioles average close to half
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Speaker 2: a run more with Jordan Westburg in the lineup. He's
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Speaker 2: their most clutch player. You can look at his numbers
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Speaker 2: with runners and scoring position. You can look at his
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Speaker 2: numbers in Leyden close situations, he comes through, and he's
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Speaker 2: also a very solid third baseman. I think it's unfortunate,
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Speaker 2: but to me, the writing's on the wall. I think
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Speaker 2: he's going to end up getting Tommy John and it's
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Speaker 2: going to end his season.
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Speaker 6: This is the team. This team they went on and
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Speaker 6: got pied Alonzo. They didn't make the big splash, and
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Speaker 6: you know, free agency pitching wise that we thought they would.
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Speaker 6: They got bas you know, they extended bos. This is
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Speaker 6: the team it is now. Is Craig Albernaz or the
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Speaker 6: people in the front office willing to make tough changes
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Speaker 6: that needs to turn that this team needs to turn
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Speaker 6: this team around in the sense of, you know what,
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Speaker 6: maybe Gunner Henderson's not necessarily the big lead shortstop of
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Speaker 6: the future. Would they be willing when Jackson comes Jackson
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Speaker 6: Holliday comes back, moving Gunner to third and putting Jackson
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Speaker 6: at short? Is he an upgrade at short because it
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Speaker 6: seems like defensive metrics, the way he moves around the field.
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Speaker 6: Possibly that would be a better connection. But does this team,
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Speaker 6: whatever the moves are, are the people that are in
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Speaker 6: charge of making those decisions willing to make those moves
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Speaker 6: or are they stuck with what they have? And these
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Speaker 6: guys just need to play better.
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Speaker 2: I don't really see a lever that they can pull.
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Speaker 2: And we know that Michael Aas has really struggled at
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline pretty much every single year is general manager,
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Speaker 2: especially as a buyer, he is not done enough to
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Speaker 2: recognize the moment as a buyer. As far as Gunner
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Speaker 2: moving him the third, I don't think Jackson Holliday can
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Speaker 2: play shortstop at the major league level. I just don't
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Speaker 2: think his arm is strong enough. Guys, Quite frankly, when
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Speaker 2: you look at Jackson Holiday, if anyone's looking at him
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Speaker 2: to be a savior, I don't think it's fair to
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Speaker 2: him because we've seen him get shut down a couple
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Speaker 2: of times with this ham a bone injury, and it's
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Speaker 2: been very fascinating just watching the progress. Corby and Carrol
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Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor, they both had the surgery the same time
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Speaker 2: as Jackson Holiday. They both obviously have been back for
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Speaker 2: quite some time. They were back for opening Day. Carrol's
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Speaker 2: been great, Lindor's struggled, and Jackson Holiday he's still waiting
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Speaker 2: to get back to his rehab assignment again. This will
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Speaker 2: be his third time. He took BP yesterday in either
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Speaker 2: double A affiliate, but they're waiting to see if that
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Speaker 2: responds well and then they'll put him in a rehab
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Speaker 2: stint this weekend. But you're talking about a twenty two
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Speaker 2: year old kid that had no spring training that's going
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Speaker 2: to be coming in in the middle of the season.
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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, the guy that's replaced him
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Speaker 2: so far, Jeremiah Jackson's been a really pleasant surprise. I
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Speaker 2: don't even know if Jackson was playing as well as
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Jackson last year at second base in terms of
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Speaker 2: defensively and especially offensively. With what Jeremiah Jackson was providing,
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Speaker 2: I think this is the club, guys, if they're looking
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Speaker 2: for any reinforcements, I ready told you I don't think
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Speaker 2: Jordan Westbrook's coming back. Ryan Helsley, it seems like they
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Speaker 2: got good news on him in terms of that elbow injury.
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Speaker 4: But this is the team. They need to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: And what's going in their favor is the fact that
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Speaker 2: the American League is just off to an awful start.
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Speaker 2: There's three teams with winning records in the American League.
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Speaker 2: But with that being said, this team can't afford to
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Speaker 2: continue to dig themselves into a deep hole like last year.
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Speaker 5: Tim.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we know Jackson holiday. I was going to
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Speaker 3: ask you where has he been Winsy coming back, because
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Speaker 3: it's weird. I had a handmaid and it was four
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Speaker 3: to six weeks and he's going on over too, well
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Speaker 3: over two months now, so it's strange to me. Also,
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Speaker 3: then my next question was going to be Jeremiah Jackson.
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Speaker 3: How good has he been, that's been their newfound guy
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Speaker 3: because he's been really good. Well, then, now that leads
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Speaker 3: me to when Jackson Holiday does come back, you gotta
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Speaker 3: play Jeremiah Jackson.
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Speaker 5: Where do you put him? Because he's got to stay
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Speaker 5: in the lineup. He's been too good.
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Speaker 3: He's been one of the guys that's been totally consistent
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Speaker 3: the entire year in Baltimore.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating because when we were talking
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year and it looks like
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Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday would be back mid April, and that's been
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Speaker 2: far from the case at this point. Oh, Jeremiah Jackson
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Speaker 2: would be the corresponding move, right, you'd send him down? Well,
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Speaker 2: absolutely not. He's had some of the biggest hits for
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Speaker 2: this team this year. I think at worst, it's a
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Speaker 2: platoon situation. At second base, Jackson's right handed pat at
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Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday is a left handed bat. Jeremiah Jackson does
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Speaker 2: offer you some positional flexibility. He can play third base,
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Speaker 2: he can play in the outfield. They're gonna find ways
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Speaker 2: to keep that bat in the lineup because they have to.
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Speaker 2: But I firmly expect that they're going to slow play
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Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday when he does come back, and I just
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Speaker 2: think expectations need to be tempered. And you were talking
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Speaker 2: about the hamdmade injury. I think a lot of this
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Speaker 2: is mental, man. I really think a lot of this
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Speaker 2: is mental. When his last rehab assignment he was in
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Speaker 2: Frederick the High A team. Then in his first game
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Speaker 2: with the Tria A club in Norfolk, he ended up swinging,
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Speaker 2: striking out. He thought that he broke his hand again.
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Speaker 2: He ended up taking X rays. The x rays came
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Speaker 2: back clean. I think a lot of this right now
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Speaker 2: with Jackson Holiday is mental.
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Speaker 7: Tim.
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Speaker 1: You were talking about it on Birdland Territory a lot
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Speaker 1: about would it matter or would DFA somebody defaing somebody
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Speaker 1: or optioning somebody. Would that be a wake up call
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Speaker 1: that this club desperately needs? And if so, I mean,
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Speaker 1: is that even an option for people on this team.
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Speaker 2: It was funny talking to Brad Brock about that and
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Speaker 2: he was like, there was never a move in my
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Speaker 2: career where that happened. And really light a fire under
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Speaker 2: the clubhouse. And we've taken so many calls this week, man,
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Speaker 2: like oh DFA, this guy send down Kobe Mayos send
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Speaker 2: down Colden Cowser, Well, who are you bringing up? You know,
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Speaker 2: you can look at the Orioles farm system right now.
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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of top guys at the Triple
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Speaker 2: A level. There's not many reinforcements on the way. Enrique
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Speaker 2: Bradfield Junior, if you wanted to bring him up in
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Speaker 2: the outfield, well, he's hurt, he's been on the il,
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Speaker 2: he's been out the past couple of weeks. I just
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Speaker 2: don't think there's this magic move that's going to snap
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Speaker 2: this team into shape.
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Speaker 4: I just they need to figure it out.
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Speaker 2: Because I've been saying this month is gonna make or
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Speaker 2: break this ball club because heading into May, they had
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Speaker 2: one series against an AL East opponent, and that was
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox. They lost that series two games to one.
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Speaker 2: They combined seventeen games against the Yankees, the Rays, and
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Speaker 2: the Blue Jays in the month of May, and then
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Speaker 2: immediately to start June they have a series against the
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Speaker 2: Red Sox and the Blue Jays. They're either gonna be
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Speaker 2: buried or they're gonna tread water or maybe gain some ground.
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Speaker 2: You were going to find out so much about this
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Speaker 2: club by the end of May.
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Speaker 3: By the way, what happened to all the prospects? They
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Speaker 3: had so many position player prospects. What happened to them all?
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Speaker 3: If they had all the guys, remember they oh, we're
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Speaker 3: gonna send somebody down. We don't have anyone now to
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Speaker 3: replace them. But I thought they had prospect on prospect
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Speaker 3: on prospect. They had so many prospects and they never
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Speaker 3: wanted to trade any of them because they were all
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Speaker 3: such high value. And all of a sudden, they don't
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Speaker 3: have any prospects.
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Speaker 5: Wait, what happened?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Stouders and Counter Norby, they're seeing both of
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Speaker 2: them with the Marlins. This is a tough spot, man,
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Speaker 2: and the fan base. The fan base is pissed, and
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Speaker 2: and you know, you can say that it's early, you
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Speaker 2: can say that you're thirty six games in, but we
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Speaker 2: saw this play out last year, and of course you
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Speaker 2: got a lot of calls in the past couple of days.
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Speaker 2: Michaelias needs to go, Michael Olias needs to go. I'll
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Speaker 2: say this, there's a long way to go, and could
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Speaker 2: they turn it around. Absolutely, But if you go in
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Speaker 2: the worst case scenario and this team it finishes below
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Speaker 2: five hundred. Again, if you would have told Michaelias eight
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Speaker 2: years ago that you would be eight years in and
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Speaker 2: you would not have a playoff win and you would
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Speaker 2: be going backwards every single year since twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: when he won one hundred one games, What would you
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Speaker 2: consider that?
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Speaker 4: And he would consider it a failure.
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Speaker 2: And it's not that easy because of course there's a
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Speaker 2: looming lockout.
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Speaker 4: But this is unaccepted. There's no way around it.
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Speaker 2: This is unacceptable year eight in this regime, when you
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Speaker 2: had to tell a fan base at the beginning of this, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna tank, We're gonna suck for four years, lose
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Speaker 2: over one hundred games in all those years to build
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Speaker 2: a sustained winner, and for you to be going backwards
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Speaker 2: since that high point in twenty twenty three, it's it's
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Speaker 2: not acceptable.
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Speaker 6: Some people, when I work construction, some people can build
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Speaker 6: a house. Some people can do fine trim and to me,
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Speaker 6: I think Michaelias can build a house, but you need
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Speaker 6: somebody to make it look nice on the inside to
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Speaker 6: win the championship. I'm gonna go completely opposite here. I'm
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Speaker 6: going to go something positive. Of these three sluggers, Pete Alonzo,
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Speaker 6: Adlie Ruchman and Samuel Bissio, who ends up having the
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Speaker 6: more productive year at the plate with.
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Speaker 5: Pete coming on hot.
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Speaker 6: Adlee has been doing really well, and I think Basaiyo
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Speaker 6: has been a little up and down, but I feel
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Speaker 6: like he's trending up now.
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Speaker 5: Who has the best year at the end of the.
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Speaker 4: Season, That's a great question.
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Speaker 2: Look Sam swinging a red hot bat right now. He
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Speaker 2: was a home run away from the cycle last night.
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Speaker 2: In that game, he ended up getting pinch hit for
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Speaker 2: in the ninth inning and Craig alvern as he pushed
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Speaker 2: the right button. Adley Rutschman came in hit the go
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Speaker 2: ahead RBI single. Adley looks night and day, different man
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Speaker 2: night and day, because the past year and a half
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Speaker 2: it has been a serious struggle for him. He's looking
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Speaker 2: like early career Adley. He's looking like all star Adley Rutchman.
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Speaker 2: But if I had to choose from the three, and
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18:42
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18:45
Speaker 2: years old.
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Speaker 4: His raw power is just stupid guys, But.
18:49
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go with the guy with the
18:51
Speaker 2: track record, man like Pete Alonso. He got off to
18:55
Speaker 2: that really rough start, and I go back to it
18:58
Speaker 2: was the first game of the Giant Series a couple
19:01
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and Pete meeting with the media was
19:04
Speaker 2: so emotional. It sounded like he was on the verge
19:07
Speaker 2: of tears. He was so upset taking this rough start,
19:12
Speaker 2: so personally saying he's letting everybody down, he's letting the
19:15
Speaker 2: team down, he's letting the city down. Since that point,
19:17
Speaker 2: guy's twenty two games, he's got a nine to forty ops,
19:21
Speaker 2: five homers, fourteen RBIs the Polar Bears back, and he
19:26
Speaker 2: was one of the only guys that showed up in
19:28
Speaker 2: that Yankee series, hitting two home runs, hitting a couple
19:31
Speaker 2: more extra base hits. I'm gonna roll with the guy
19:34
Speaker 2: with the track record, and that's Pete Alonso.
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19:39
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19:41
Speaker 3: Look, people consider me old school, and I thought I was,
19:44
Speaker 3: but then we had the pitch clock and the ABS
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20:36
Speaker 9: Get after at ftfam Spencer.
20:50
Speaker 7: It's great to be with you. Thank you for doing this.
20:53
Speaker 1: I'd rather hear your opinion on the matter because you
20:55
Speaker 1: were there, You're in the situation. We can pontificate as
20:58
Speaker 1: much as we want, but I would like to know
21:00
Speaker 1: your opinion on kind of what went down in that
21:03
Speaker 1: at bad against Trevor's story with with fromber on the
21:06
Speaker 1: Hill and and and you know what your what your
21:09
Speaker 1: opinion of it.
21:10
Speaker 10: Is, uh, yeah, I was there.
21:15
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it's it's unfortunate obviously, but uh, I'm
21:20
Speaker 11: just glad nothing escalated and no one got hurt, and
21:25
Speaker 11: hopefully we can just move on and uh salvage the
21:29
Speaker 11: series today.
21:31
Speaker 3: Very very politically correct answer to Tork, I love it,
21:34
Speaker 3: and I just I'm not even gonna ask me about
21:36
Speaker 3: it because I saw you, I saw your back of
21:39
Speaker 3: your name. I just have one question for you. When
21:41
Speaker 3: you go in the clubhouse today, go to Joey Krer
21:43
Speaker 3: and say, Joey, why were you nowhere near anything that
21:46
Speaker 3: was happening. Joey cor was still standing in the third
21:49
Speaker 3: base coaching box like he was not allowed. So please
21:52
Speaker 3: ask Joey for me why he didn't get in the
21:54
Speaker 3: middle of it.
21:55
Speaker 10: I'll do that.
21:56
Speaker 11: I'll do that, and I Greeny was given McGonagall and said,
21:59
Speaker 11: if I ever beat you from left field again, you
22:01
Speaker 11: know we're gonna have a problem.
22:03
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
22:04
Speaker 3: That was always go to the tape and you look
22:06
Speaker 3: and see who's in the middle of it, and then
22:08
Speaker 3: there's always the one person like you see Hinches in
22:10
Speaker 3: the middle of it there, and you know, you know,
22:12
Speaker 3: Greeny beat mcgonaga's probably never been into anything like that,
22:15
Speaker 3: so he was like, what do I do? But Joey Korra,
22:18
Speaker 3: he was accused one time of biting a guy's leg
22:20
Speaker 3: in a famous fight in Chicago. So I know that
22:23
Speaker 3: he's got that chihuahua in him. So please just ask
22:26
Speaker 3: him why he didn't go, why he wasn't any part
22:27
Speaker 3: of it?
22:28
Speaker 10: All right, I didn't know that. That's good knowledge, Thank you.
22:31
Speaker 3: Yes, ask him if he still has John Mabray's leg
22:36
Speaker 3: tissue in his teeth.
22:38
Speaker 5: A right?
22:39
Speaker 10: That will?
22:40
Speaker 5: Hi?
22:41
Speaker 6: Like you're I mean, listen on Baseball Reference, you're six
22:45
Speaker 6: one twenty right now. Like I don't know what ABS
22:49
Speaker 6: says you are. You might be more like six foot
22:51
Speaker 6: or maybe six two, I don't know. But what guy
22:54
Speaker 6: do you pick out on the Red Sox when this
22:58
Speaker 6: happens because you can't like you can't go and like
23:01
Speaker 6: hold framber back. You're the first baseman, You're you're right
23:04
Speaker 6: in there. You got to get somebody from the dugout.
23:07
Speaker 6: Do you pick a guy like Urban who's short and little,
23:12
Speaker 6: or do you say, where's Garrett Crochet? I want all
23:16
Speaker 6: of that six seven right now?
23:20
Speaker 11: You know, I think when you're one of the first
23:21
Speaker 11: guys out there. You don't really get to pick. It's
23:24
Speaker 11: kind of the first one that that comes after your guy.
23:28
Speaker 11: But luckily nothing, none of that happened, and.
23:32
Speaker 10: We're all good.
23:32
Speaker 3: You know, nobody Hey, nobody wanted any part of Wilson
23:37
Speaker 3: ConTroll so I know the hitch was even.
23:39
Speaker 5: Like, hey, hey, hey, come down, Wilson, please calm down. No, no, no, yeah.
23:44
Speaker 6: Exactly is it talked about when you're playing the Red
23:48
Speaker 6: Sox that there is fear of Hey, control your signs,
23:56
Speaker 6: close your signs up, make sure you can't see him
23:58
Speaker 6: from first make sure you know the glove is covered
24:01
Speaker 6: up at second base? Do you hear that conversation? So
24:04
Speaker 6: your own defense looking for it before they were they've
24:07
Speaker 6: been accused of, you know, their their coaches being outside
24:10
Speaker 6: of the coaches box. Now they got to be in.
24:13
Speaker 6: Is that something as a first baseman you have to
24:15
Speaker 6: watch for when you play a team that's been accused
24:18
Speaker 6: of that stuff, like the Red Sox.
24:20
Speaker 10: You're definitely aware of it. It's not just the Red Sox.
24:23
Speaker 11: I feel like it's just part of the game at
24:25
Speaker 11: at all levels, but a lot a lot of the
24:27
Speaker 11: big league level. Any edge you can get, you know,
24:32
Speaker 11: even you know you don't, you don't want to, you know,
24:37
Speaker 11: pay too much attention to it because you still got
24:39
Speaker 11: to make pitches.
24:40
Speaker 10: I feel like.
24:41
Speaker 11: But there's nothing that's kind of exaggerated when you're playing
24:48
Speaker 11: the Red Sox. It's it's with every team. You want
24:50
Speaker 11: to hide your glove, you want to positioning, you don't
24:54
Speaker 11: want to you know, cheat two steps to your right
24:56
Speaker 11: too early or whatever it is because you know what
24:59
Speaker 11: what pitches co and are the catchers setting up earlier
25:02
Speaker 11: setting up late. It's just part of the game. And uh,
25:06
Speaker 11: I think it's something to be aware of regardless of
25:10
Speaker 11: regardless of who you're playing.
25:11
Speaker 10: But it's definitely a thing. I mean, big league.
25:14
Speaker 11: It's really hard to hit in the big leagues when
25:17
Speaker 11: you don't know what's coming. It's hard to hit when
25:18
Speaker 11: you do have something coming from second base.
25:21
Speaker 10: So uh yeah, all I want to know is this.
25:25
Speaker 3: When I saw you guys on Saturday, you and Riley,
25:27
Speaker 3: you guys have lockers next to each other. Okay, people
25:30
Speaker 3: don't know this. You guys were chowing down on gummy skittles.
25:33
Speaker 11: Was it Starbar's jelly beans?
25:36
Speaker 5: The Star jelly beans? That's a best.
25:40
Speaker 3: So what I want to know is did you keep
25:42
Speaker 3: them in your gu and Riley keep them in your pocket?
25:44
Speaker 3: And then when you need like a power pellet, you
25:45
Speaker 3: guys fire one in like Beast Mode used to do.
25:48
Speaker 3: And then is that why you finally got to the
25:51
Speaker 3: five homers and get five home runs in five games?
25:54
Speaker 5: Club? You know?
25:55
Speaker 3: Is that how you got to the to the club?
25:57
Speaker 3: So welcome to the club. High five?
25:59
Speaker 11: That that's a idea actually, but no, that's mostly just
26:03
Speaker 11: like we're bored.
26:04
Speaker 10: We got thirty minutes till a meeting and.
26:07
Speaker 11: We're not even hungry, and we got Starbus jelly beans
26:11
Speaker 11: right in our locker.
26:13
Speaker 10: But it's part of my wife's kind of partly to blame.
26:15
Speaker 11: She went to Costco like a month ago, brought that
26:18
Speaker 11: home and I'm like, absolutely not, No, this is not
26:20
Speaker 11: going to be in the kitchen. This is going into
26:23
Speaker 11: Greenies locker to have a little bit of discipline, all.
26:27
Speaker 6: Right, Spencer though that that brings up another point. I
26:30
Speaker 6: said something last week on the show that like probably
26:33
Speaker 6: was taken out of context, But if I told you
26:38
Speaker 6: you ate five jelly beans before every at bat, you
26:42
Speaker 6: would be you would have your hottest season of all time,
26:46
Speaker 6: would you do it? You're trying to be you're trying
26:48
Speaker 6: to be healthy. You're not trying to put stuff in
26:50
Speaker 6: Like how many jelly beans would you have to eat
26:52
Speaker 6: before each at bat? Where you'd be like, no, I
26:54
Speaker 6: can't do that, I can't survive. I gotta find another way.
26:59
Speaker 11: I use some great than five jelly beans before every
27:02
Speaker 11: ab what's the number?
27:03
Speaker 5: How many would you do? Thirty?
27:07
Speaker 10: Yeah? Without question?
27:09
Speaker 11: I I mean, I don't know what the number is,
27:14
Speaker 11: but jelly beans go down pretty easy.
27:18
Speaker 5: That's one hundred and jelly beans a day. Sorry, that's
27:21
Speaker 5: just a lot.
27:22
Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty jelly beans. Let's say, were you doing
27:24
Speaker 1: that when you had five straight games with the home run?
27:27
Speaker 1: What were you doing differently in those games that you
27:30
Speaker 1: weren't doing in the first twenty three?
27:32
Speaker 10: Uh?
27:34
Speaker 11: I see if I had an answer for you, I
27:37
Speaker 11: I wish I did, like I wish I could put
27:40
Speaker 11: some finger on it. But everything kind of lined up.
27:45
Speaker 11: You know, I was always seeing the ball well before
27:49
Speaker 11: the homers. I was putting good swings on the ball.
27:51
Speaker 11: I just some some weird about baseball is you know,
27:56
Speaker 11: you don't see a home run, see the ball leave
27:59
Speaker 11: the yard or you don't feel that swing in a
28:01
Speaker 11: while and then all of a sudden you feel it
28:03
Speaker 11: and it's just that much easy to repeat. But there's nothing,
28:08
Speaker 11: there's nothing that that I changed or started doing or
28:12
Speaker 11: didn't do. Is samness is greatness.
28:17
Speaker 3: Tork I got one more of jelly bean question for you.
28:19
Speaker 3: Have you been the universal and had the everything beans
28:22
Speaker 3: from Harry Potter that they saw the jelly beans?
28:25
Speaker 10: Of course? Yeah?
28:26
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:26
Speaker 3: What if you just had to pick five random ones
28:28
Speaker 3: and like one was barf and one was you know,
28:31
Speaker 3: bo and then three of them still you would still
28:34
Speaker 3: do it?
28:35
Speaker 10: Doesn't matter? Yeah, okay, okay, that's fair.
28:37
Speaker 3: I just I just didn't know if it had to
28:39
Speaker 3: be just starbars jelly beans.
28:43
Speaker 6: No, okay, you'll do anything for some knocks, But talk
28:48
Speaker 6: about it.
28:49
Speaker 5: Talk about that streak. Did you guys have an off
28:52
Speaker 5: day in there?
28:53
Speaker 6: Was it something that you were like, there's no Was
28:55
Speaker 6: there a point where you did it realize?
28:58
Speaker 5: Was it three games in a row you were like,
29:00
Speaker 5: oh man, tomorrow I could hit four in a row.
29:04
Speaker 6: Like did it start to become like nerve wracking? Not
29:08
Speaker 6: because you were like getting close to like a record
29:10
Speaker 6: or anything, but you start talking about guys who have
29:12
Speaker 6: a twenty game hit streak, a thirty game hit streak,
29:15
Speaker 6: five homer streak is incredible. Even if AJ did it,
29:19
Speaker 6: which he wasn't that great of a home run hit
29:21
Speaker 6: or he was just he was just annoying. That was
29:23
Speaker 6: the big that was his biggest superpower.
29:27
Speaker 10: No off days.
29:29
Speaker 11: I don't think no no off days. I didn't really
29:33
Speaker 11: notice anything until but I think after the fourth I
29:37
Speaker 11: was like, oh, I feel like I've hit a home
29:39
Speaker 11: run like pretty consistently. And then the fifth day I
29:44
Speaker 11: kind of had it on my mind. I'm like, dude,
29:46
Speaker 11: what are we doing? Like why? Why doesn't matter? I
29:51
Speaker 11: don't need to hit a home run today. And I
29:53
Speaker 11: felt free up there, and my swing felt good and
29:56
Speaker 11: my I was seeing the ball well and I just
29:58
Speaker 11: put good swings on the ball, and another one, and
30:00
Speaker 11: then game six. We did have an off day in
30:05
Speaker 11: Atlanta before the six game, where I obviously didn't hit
30:10
Speaker 11: a home run, and.
30:12
Speaker 10: There was not a lot of pressure on myself to
30:16
Speaker 10: go out and.
30:17
Speaker 11: Hit another one, other than I really would have liked to,
30:19
Speaker 11: because hitting home runs is one of the most fun
30:23
Speaker 11: things to do in the entire world.
30:24
Speaker 10: But nothing crazy.
30:27
Speaker 7: That's when you don't want an off day. All right.
30:29
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about the rock of the staff,
30:33
Speaker 1: Terrek Scooble, what was that like for you, torqu when
30:35
Speaker 1: you guys heard that he was hit in the il
30:39
Speaker 1: because you guys, obviously I would imagine love when he
30:41
Speaker 1: takes the ball every fifth day. I mean, did the
30:43
Speaker 1: win just kind of go out of your sales when
30:44
Speaker 1: you heard that news?
30:47
Speaker 10: It definitely hurts.
30:48
Speaker 11: I mean, all of our guys we love and care
30:50
Speaker 11: about and that are, you know, help us win a
30:53
Speaker 11: lot of baseball games.
30:54
Speaker 10: And especially our horror Scoop.
30:58
Speaker 11: I think I definitely hurt as a group, but we
31:01
Speaker 11: got to just kind of attack it with the next
31:04
Speaker 11: man up, and you know, it's a long year to
31:07
Speaker 11: play one hundred and sixty games for a reason. He's
31:10
Speaker 11: gonna be back and he's gonna be better than ever
31:11
Speaker 11: we believe, and I mean he's one of the most
31:14
Speaker 11: resilient people I've ever met, So there's no doubt in
31:17
Speaker 11: my mind that he's going to be back with a vengeance.
31:20
Speaker 10: And gonna help us make a deep playoff. Bush.
31:24
Speaker 5: Were you on the field when he called Dangler out?
31:28
Speaker 10: Yep?
31:29
Speaker 6: When that mound visit happened? Did you think anything of it?
31:33
Speaker 6: Because I honestly have never seen a picture tell his
31:36
Speaker 6: catcher hold my glove and then like work his elbow
31:41
Speaker 6: out and then go out and strike the next three
31:44
Speaker 6: dudes out and be like okay, like like what was
31:47
Speaker 6: that conversation when you were on the man?
31:49
Speaker 5: What did you hear?
31:49
Speaker 6: What did you hear him saying? Or how did it
31:52
Speaker 6: end up that he stayed in the game after he
31:54
Speaker 6: did all that?
31:57
Speaker 10: It was scary.
31:57
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean whenever a picture he kind of calls
32:00
Speaker 11: time and grabs his arm, it's like, all right, what's
32:03
Speaker 11: going on? Very scary, and then you obviously add scoom
32:08
Speaker 11: to that, it's it's probably even more scary. But yeah,
32:13
Speaker 11: I mean he's a horse that shows you uh type
32:17
Speaker 11: of competitor he is. Because but I didn't really hear
32:20
Speaker 11: much of the conversation. He tried to give them as
32:22
Speaker 11: much space as possible with the with skip and the
32:26
Speaker 11: training staff, and but he's I think he just said
32:29
Speaker 11: he just felt something weird and needed a second, and
32:32
Speaker 11: then obviously took a second through a couple you know,
32:36
Speaker 11: warm up pitches and then punch punch more tickets, which
32:40
Speaker 11: is unbelievable with actually what was going.
32:42
Speaker 3: On, Spencer, I got to ask you about your shortstop mcgonag. Yeah,
32:49
Speaker 3: have you ever seen a rookie that can do what
32:50
Speaker 3: he does with his skill set? I mean he's he's
32:52
Speaker 3: better defensively than I thought when I watched him play
32:55
Speaker 3: this past weekend. His contact rate is obviously unbelievable. He's
32:59
Speaker 3: a little guy that takes big swings. It's not like
33:02
Speaker 3: he's up there. You know, people think he's Luisa Rise
33:04
Speaker 3: and he's just kind of that in the ball around.
33:07
Speaker 3: I mean, this dude, he loads it up and he
33:09
Speaker 3: takes big swings.
33:10
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen anybody with this skill set this young.
33:14
Speaker 10: No, I I haven't.
33:15
Speaker 11: I mean he's he's an absolute gamer and that yeah,
33:19
Speaker 11: good point.
33:19
Speaker 10: On the glove.
33:20
Speaker 11: I mean I never really watched him play, just saw
33:22
Speaker 11: his statistics and through the minor leagues and obviously danged.
33:27
Speaker 11: I think some people had questions like where's he gonna play?
33:31
Speaker 11: He can play anywhere, and I have, you know, full
33:34
Speaker 11: confidence in wherever he is, whether he's shortstop or third
33:37
Speaker 11: base or anything. But I mean that the types of
33:42
Speaker 11: swings that he takes consistently with that contact rate is uh.
33:49
Speaker 10: Special. I mean you can't teach it. He sees the
33:53
Speaker 10: ball better.
33:54
Speaker 11: Than anyone obviously, hand eye coordination unreal, and then he's
33:59
Speaker 11: always balance. It seems like he's taken absolute g hacks,
34:03
Speaker 11: but he's controlled to controlled GI hack and he has
34:06
Speaker 11: some serious pop.
34:08
Speaker 1: Did you have conversations with him, Spencer about just being
34:12
Speaker 1: you know, an overall top pick and just the expectations
34:15
Speaker 1: that come with being that highly regarded. Did you guys
34:19
Speaker 1: have conversations about that, because you obviously shared in that
34:22
Speaker 1: and that same type of thing.
34:24
Speaker 11: To be honest, he didn't really need any conversation. He's uh,
34:28
Speaker 11: he's just an absolute competitor. And I don't know if
34:32
Speaker 11: he feels much pressure with the expectations that were put
34:36
Speaker 11: on him, you know, before the season, then obviously now
34:39
Speaker 11: after signing extension.
34:40
Speaker 10: He doesn't really show it.
34:42
Speaker 11: I think he plays extremely hard and he has a
34:45
Speaker 11: plan and that that probably distracts any expectation that he
34:51
Speaker 11: might put on himself. But I think the only conversations
34:54
Speaker 11: we had were in spring training where he's like, Bro,
34:56
Speaker 11: they haven't told me I made the team yet.
34:58
Speaker 10: I'm like, dude, shut up, you made the team. Just
35:01
Speaker 10: you're not gonna.
35:01
Speaker 11: Tell you yet, but you gotta don't be done here.
35:05
Speaker 11: You're one of our best players, like we need you
35:07
Speaker 11: on this team. Just stay healthy and keep grinding because
35:12
Speaker 11: you made the team.
35:14
Speaker 5: All right.
35:14
Speaker 6: I got a two part question. First part is what
35:16
Speaker 6: kind of rookie is he? Because everybody sees how perfect
35:20
Speaker 6: he is on the field, but you guys as a
35:23
Speaker 6: team give him a hard time. And the second part
35:26
Speaker 6: is when's that meal coming? Because I heard you guys
35:29
Speaker 6: were supposed to go and have the meal that he
35:31
Speaker 6: was gonna pay for every guy's extension, but conveniently you
35:35
Speaker 6: guys had a rein out or the game got delayed.
35:40
Speaker 10: Yep, he's been an awesome rookie.
35:44
Speaker 11: He asked questions, and we all give him a hard
35:48
Speaker 11: time just because that's what you do. But he wears it,
35:52
Speaker 11: and I mean, he's an unbelievable dude. That dinner, yeah,
35:55
Speaker 11: that dinner is not going to be forgotten. We're gonna
35:57
Speaker 11: we're gonna get that done. And we have some wealthy
36:01
Speaker 11: players that know how to order, you know, wealthy wine.
36:05
Speaker 11: So I feel bad for him, but you know, it's
36:08
Speaker 11: what that's what he deserves, and we're gonna do it right.
36:12
Speaker 5: Tork, let's move.
36:14
Speaker 3: You know what, we haven't really talked about We haven't
36:16
Speaker 3: talked about you enough, So I want to talk about
36:17
Speaker 3: you for a second.
36:18
Speaker 5: Here.
36:19
Speaker 3: Do you and Riley Green feed off each other? Because
36:21
Speaker 3: you got every time I see one of y'all, I
36:23
Speaker 3: see the other one. So I see you, I see Riley.
36:25
Speaker 3: It's like one of you guys has following the other
36:27
Speaker 3: one to the cage or to eat or eating jelly
36:30
Speaker 3: beans or whatever. Do you guys just sit around all
36:32
Speaker 3: day twenty four to seven and just talk baseball and
36:35
Speaker 3: talk swings and talk hitting and talk baseball because I've
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Speaker 3: never I've honestly, every time I've been around the Detroit Tigers,
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Speaker 3: it has been Spencer Tarklesen and Riley Green. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you guys are like this. It's like, woo, you guys
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Speaker 3: can't more than five feet. It's like you guys have
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Speaker 3: a magnet and bring yourself back together.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we're best friends.
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Speaker 11: It I mean ever since I got drafted, we went
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Speaker 11: to the alt site, we've been, Uh, we've developed a relationship.
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Speaker 11: And I mean he's he was in my wedding. He's
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Speaker 11: he's my guy, and uh, we're not always talking baseball.
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Speaker 11: We're talking golf, and he not always baseball. You'd be
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Speaker 11: surprised how not often we talk baseball, but uh no,
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Speaker 11: we uh we have a good time, and I think
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Speaker 11: we do feed off each other, whether it's you know,
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Speaker 11: in the cage or on the field or you know,
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Speaker 11: we're always challenging each other and kind of making a
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Speaker 11: little friendly competition with each other.
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Speaker 10: So, I mean, he's he's easy to root for too, So,
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Speaker 10: uh he's my guy.
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Speaker 6: What's the one shot that he takes at you? And
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Speaker 6: what's the one shot that you take at him?
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Speaker 5: Uh?
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Speaker 11: I feel like he's always telling me. He's like, bro,
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Speaker 11: you need to just use the whole field. I'm like Greening,
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Speaker 11: I'm trying. I'm trying, and uh, I don't know. I
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Speaker 11: feel like I sometimes get on him. I'm like green
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Speaker 11: if you're if you're late to another hitters count heater,
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Speaker 11: like we're gonna call.
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Speaker 10: But it's just it's friendly banter.
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Speaker 11: It's nothing crazy, Spencer.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate it, man, it's been a while since we've
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Speaker 1: had you on the show. Always appreciate you taking the time,
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Speaker 1: being a good sport. I know AJ and Eric like
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Speaker 1: to give you grief, but you're a you're a good
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Speaker 1: sport about it.
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Speaker 7: We appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, best to luck,
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Speaker 7: to you guys.
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Speaker 10: Thank you