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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - A Pretend Doctor & His Pregnant Wife · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson with
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  Speaker 1: Shane Shane. Okay, first of all, before we get into
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about today, which is the
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  Speaker 1: Lori and Mark hacking case out of Utah, first I
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  Speaker 1: want to do some breaking news which I find so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the word what the word is.
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  Speaker 2: It's Chris Watts.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, and I saw something this morning. It's like he's
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  Speaker 3: having visions or something.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, he's getting married.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about all. We're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: do a little update on Chris Watts. So if you
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  Speaker 1: remember we've done an episode.
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  Speaker 3: He is a family man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. Is that what you
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  Speaker 2: call him? A family man? Yes, he would be your
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  Speaker 2: definition of a crook.
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  Speaker 3: He's a bad one.
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  Speaker 2: He's a bad egg.
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  Speaker 3: Why he he's why get married? Well I shouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: You can't have conjugal visits when you're in there for life, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, but you can make out apparently.
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  Speaker 3: Well I guess if you're in the same room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because allegedly what I read was anyway, First of all,
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  Speaker 1: we've done an episode on Chris Watts.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to it. Chris Watts is the father.
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  Speaker 2: What state was that and do you remember Colorado?
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  Speaker 1: It was Colorado. He was married to I believe her
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  Speaker 1: name was Shanan Shanan, and she did all the she
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  Speaker 1: did like a whole vlog. She kept track of like
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  Speaker 1: their family.
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  Speaker 3: It was all on Facebook. It was like early on
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  Speaker 3: in those days.
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  Speaker 1: They had two daughters, two young daughters. She's pregnant with
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  Speaker 1: a boy, and then yes, she was pregnant. And then
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  Speaker 1: Chris Watts decided that he would prefer to be with
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  Speaker 1: his mistress and the best way for him to achieve
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  Speaker 1: that was just to murder his wife and murder his children.
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  Speaker 2: That's who we're talking about, right.
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  Speaker 3: So well, yeah, the shortest distance between two points is
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  Speaker 3: a straight line, and he thought murder was it.
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  Speaker 1: He did, And I would say probably in true crime,
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  Speaker 1: in all the true crime cases we've talked about, probably
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  Speaker 1: one of your favorite scenes as well as mine, as
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  Speaker 1: if you watch the documentary on him, they have the
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  Speaker 1: body cam footage of the police officer when.
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  Speaker 2: They go to the neighbor's house to watch the security.
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  Speaker 3: The security see if they can see leaving r and
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  Speaker 3: we know.
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  Speaker 1: That he was truck and he obviously did not know
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  Speaker 1: what was on the ring footage. So when they pulled,
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  Speaker 1: when the neighbor pulls up the ring footage, it is
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  Speaker 1: amazing to watch his reaction to what's going to show
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  Speaker 1: up on the TV.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So convicted murderer, it was a smoking gun. That was
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  Speaker 3: substantial evidence that he was yes. Reaction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So convicted murderer. Chris Wats, who is forty one,
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  Speaker 1: is reportedly in a relationship and planning to marry thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine year old former realtor Lizzie Henderson. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I have to say Lizzie is from Ohio, so I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted.
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  Speaker 2: To I just want to throw that out in case
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  Speaker 2: you had it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like seven Degreeshio. It's always connected.
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  Speaker 1: While reports indicate they have applied for a prison marriage
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  Speaker 1: within Wisconsin's Dodge Correctional Institution, and also Lizzie Henderson has
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  Speaker 1: begun using the last name Watts already.
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  Speaker 2: She must be really.
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  Speaker 1: Proud of that last name because they're not even married
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  Speaker 1: yet and she's already out there. You know, Lizzie Watt's
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  Speaker 1: like in her notebook, Lizzie Watts.
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  Speaker 3: Lizzie Watt, I'm gonna say wife of Yes, you know Vicmath. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: family murder murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Although the the official marriage has not yet been confirmed.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Lizzie Henderson reportedly relocated it from Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: So she moved from Ohio to Wisconsin so that she
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  Speaker 1: could be closer to her lover, and she visits him,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, regularly at the maximum security facility where he
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  Speaker 1: is incarcerated for life. By the way, So first of all,
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  Speaker 1: can we just talk about when we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 3: Quality life can't be so great? Is that family unit?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you.
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  Speaker 1: Excited about marrying someone who murdered their wife and their
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  Speaker 1: children and it is InCAR.
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  Speaker 3: He's remorseful or she believes he didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: You can't believe he didn't do it. He admitted to
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  Speaker 2: doing it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. You think Bigfoot's still running around? Well,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's a sucker born every minute.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really like kids are apples to apples, But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I just my thoughts allry and we talked about this
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  Speaker 1: when we did the Wade Wilson episode with all Wade's wives,
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  Speaker 1: all the women that showed up in court that were
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  Speaker 1: in love with him and infatuated by him and were
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  Speaker 1: planning to marry him even though he killed he murdered
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  Speaker 1: in cold blood to women within the twenty four hour period.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a special kind of woman to be in
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  Speaker 1: love and want to marry someone like that. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: have a second point other than these women are absolutely
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  Speaker 1: wack of dooodles and their family needs to I don't know, like,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say, your sister's going to marry someone
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  Speaker 1: that's incarcerated for life?
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  Speaker 2: What would you say?
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  Speaker 1: Would you just be like, would you send like a
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  Speaker 1: gift card and a congratulations?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: How does it hate family handle that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you have an engagement party? Do
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  Speaker 3: you have a bridal shower theme.
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  Speaker 2: Stripes?
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  Speaker 1: I mean orange? Yeah, it's bizarre to me. But my
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  Speaker 1: second point after a Lockup, that was a great reality show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean if I always say like, I would never
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  Speaker 1: want to do a podcast on recapping because I like
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  Speaker 1: to take a deeper dive. That's why I like doing
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  Speaker 1: true crime and analyzing legal things. However, if I ever
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  Speaker 1: did recap a show, it would be Life after lock Up,
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  Speaker 1: because that is one of that is one of the
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  Speaker 1: best reality shows ever made. Also, but my second point
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  Speaker 1: on Chris Watts, I don't understand why for someone to
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  Speaker 1: murder your wife in cold blood and murder your two
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  Speaker 1: daughters and then hide the bodies and then lie about it.
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  Speaker 1: And at first, remember he tried to blame Shenan and
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  Speaker 1: said that she actually.
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  Speaker 3: Or he reacted to her killing the children.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So you're talking about just a monster.
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  Speaker 1: This man should not have the constitutional right to marry
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  Speaker 1: and make out.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you remember the reason why he didn't bury them together,
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  Speaker 3: he separated her from them, was because he didn't want
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  Speaker 3: her to be with him. He was so angry with her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know, I'm just telling you. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying life in prison is not enough of
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  Speaker 1: a punishment for this man.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully his second marriage will he'll turn around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's going to be a new man. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to see the light, right sure, All right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough about Chris Wats. I don't want to give
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  Speaker 1: him any more time. Let's move on to the case
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about. It is out of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: So I love how we do a lot in Utah
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of Ohio cases.
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  Speaker 2: Are you all right? You get scratched by a cat?
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  Speaker 2: Now you're just like you have come man?
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  Speaker 3: Jared, im in Jared?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So Laurie and Mark Hacking seem to be starting an
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  Speaker 1: exciting new chapter together. Laurie was newly pregnant and Mark
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  Speaker 1: he had been accepted to medical school. But when Laurie
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  Speaker 1: discovered her husband's life was built on years of lies,
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  Speaker 1: she threatened to leave. Days later, Lourie vanished, and as
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  Speaker 1: investigators unraveled Mark's web of deception, they uncovered a much
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  Speaker 1: darker truth about what actually.
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  Speaker 2: Happened to Laurie.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I had never heard of this case before, but
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  Speaker 1: you had, and you had mentioned it a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Was it because it's a Utah case?
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  Speaker 2: That's why you know?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if that's why I
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  Speaker 3: just remember his lies? How do you live such a
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  Speaker 3: life just lie after lie after I mean, I know
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  Speaker 3: we didn't get into it yet, but everything was a lie.
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  Speaker 3: We're not even like a mistress would have been less
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  Speaker 3: of a double life than this, right, all right, So.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go through a little bit of a timeline of
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  Speaker 1: how Laurie and Mark met. This is we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go back to nineteen ninety four. I love nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: It's a year I graduated from high school. That was
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  Speaker 1: a great year. But anyway, that is the year that
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  Speaker 1: Lourie sare Is and Mark Hacking meet while attending Orum
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  Speaker 1: High School.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, so Shane and I were.
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  Speaker 2: We lived in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: We lived right next to Orum, So this is it's
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  Speaker 1: like home.
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  Speaker 2: These people could have been our neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: They could have been So they graduated from Orum High
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  Speaker 1: School in Utah and began dating as teenagers. They became
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  Speaker 1: high school sweethearts and remained together after graduation. Laurie pursued
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  Speaker 1: a business degree, while Mark claimed he was studying psychology
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  Speaker 1: at the Psychology Takes Me Out at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Mark came from a successful medical and scientific family. His
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  Speaker 1: father was a pediatrician, his mother was a nurse, and
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  Speaker 1: his brothers had successful careers.
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  Speaker 2: And scientific two brothers. He had two brothers, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think a third one he had. I think he
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  Speaker 3: had a third one that wasn't in the medical field,
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  Speaker 3: but was like a successful electrician or something too. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so academically inclined and you know, accomplished.
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  Speaker 1: Mark later dropped out of college. However, he did not
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  Speaker 1: tell people he dropped out of college, and he continued
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  Speaker 1: telling Laurie and his family members that he was attending school. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I also watched there are episodes out there. I think
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  Speaker 1: I believe there might be a dateline on this. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not exactly sure, but I did watch like a thirty
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  Speaker 1: minute episode on this case. So there's there's some true
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  Speaker 1: crime episodes that have been made about this case.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an older case, and I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: was nationwide media attention, but it was interesting enough.
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  Speaker 1: The THEA Stories make some true crime like thirty minute
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  Speaker 1: documentaries about it. And I learned that not only did
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  Speaker 1: he lie about going to school and still being in college,
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  Speaker 1: but Laurie's mom even helped him like write term papers
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  Speaker 1: and things.
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  Speaker 3: Like Really, so he went as far as being tutored, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like he went as far as signing himself homework.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, as like acting like he was writing papers and
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  Speaker 1: like getting help on papers and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: I know that because his family had well obviously wasn't
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  Speaker 3: around for his father medicals guys, but his brothers went
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  Speaker 3: through school. It was like he was familiar with kind
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  Speaker 3: of the expectations and kind of the probably the intensity
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  Speaker 3: of it and stuff like that, so he could be faked.
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  Speaker 3: He could kind of yeah, you know, talk that language.
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  Speaker 1: So Mark eventually claimed that he had graduated from the
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  Speaker 1: University of Utah, although he actually.
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  Speaker 2: Never earned his degree.
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  Speaker 1: So he was waking up every morning and like getting
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  Speaker 1: a backpack, right, and like pretending to write papers and
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  Speaker 1: pretending to go to class and then pretended to graduate.
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  Speaker 3: How many years for years.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how much he actually attended, but I
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  Speaker 1: do believe he actually attended maybe a year or two
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  Speaker 1: and then dropped out, but then continued to pretend as
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  Speaker 1: if he was going to college. Wow, and no one
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  Speaker 1: knew the difference, Like his family believed that he graduated,
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  Speaker 1: and his wife believed that he graduated.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, if I was at if I signed
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  Speaker 3: up for school and was attending him and he wouldn't like, no.
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  Speaker 2: I would.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you got up every day and got
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  Speaker 1: dressed and I put your books in a back got
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  Speaker 1: in your car, said you were going to college and
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  Speaker 1: then you're you know, on your laptop writing term.
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  Speaker 3: Papers and he wasn't cheating, So it's not like there
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  Speaker 3: was that that could have surface somehow to her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he was just cheat.
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  Speaker 1: He was just cheating on college, not his wife.
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  Speaker 2: So in then nineteen ninety nine, Laurie and Mark married
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  Speaker 2: after he lived.
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  Speaker 3: A double life. Can you imagine, like he's talking to me,
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  Speaker 3: Will He's like, I love a double life. You know,
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  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, well, what's your other life. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: student instead.
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  Speaker 1: Of like an agent FBI agent or something exciting like that,
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  Speaker 1: his double life is he's a college I'm.
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  Speaker 3: In pre med. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety nine, Laurie and Mark mary after
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  Speaker 1: several years of dating. By two thousand and four, Mark
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  Speaker 1: claims that he is going to medical school. So not
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  Speaker 1: only did he so he faced graduating from college, but
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  Speaker 1: now we're he's taking it even, Yeah, he's getting a
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  Speaker 1: higher education.
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  Speaker 3: Even I've read that he even traveled for like the
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  Speaker 3: interview and he stayed with like a cousin, yeah, or
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  Speaker 3: something to really go through with the whole Like he's
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  Speaker 3: going to medical school, right.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's going to the University of North Carolina at
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  Speaker 1: Chapel Hill, which is a very good medical so he
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  Speaker 1: clearly has to fly out there to have an interview.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something like that, or like an internship
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  Speaker 3: or something where he was really going at it.
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  Speaker 1: So Mark told Laurie, their families and friends that he
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  Speaker 1: had been accepted to medical school at the University of
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina. He even claimed to have traveled for an
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  Speaker 1: admissions interview despite never actually applying to the program. Lauri
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  Speaker 1: and Mark begin preparing to move to Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: so Mark could supposedly attend medical school. So this is
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, how are they like how she's working?
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  Speaker 3: So this is working? He is working? He works too, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: he works. He works at a psychiatric ward, as he should.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what position is a patient and not yet.
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  Speaker 1: Laurie worked as a stockbroker's assistant at Wells Fargo and
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  Speaker 1: told friends that she was approximately five weeks pregnant. This
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  Speaker 1: is right before they're moving. So there's like there's boxes
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. They're packing up their house at this point
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  Speaker 1: and they're preparing to move to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: I assume also, you know, this is in what year,
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  Speaker 3: It's like four or something.
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  Speaker 2: This is four.
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  Speaker 3: See if it was today, he could have just said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go to school. Remotely and they wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have to move. Yes, he could have he could fake he.
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  Speaker 1: Could fake his digital his remote remote. Here's a fun
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  Speaker 1: fact that I learned. So, Laurie works as a stockbroker
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  Speaker 1: at Wells Fargo. Do you remember you would remember this,
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  Speaker 1: You remember the Susan Powell case.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think I have this right. I think she and
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  Speaker 1: Susan Powell worked at the same Wells Fargo. Oh really, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was an interesting tidbit because Susan Powell was the
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  Speaker 1: mother who was allegedly killed by her husband in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't Chris, Yeah, pretty sure that was his name.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then remember he ended up he was
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  Speaker 1: a suspected person of adventures, but they could never find
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  Speaker 1: the body, right, and then he ended up killing their
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  Speaker 1: two sons and himself and that explosion.
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  Speaker 3: Never found the body. He never charged. Then he committed suicide.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when I finds out that, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: Kristen Smart and Lacy Peterson were at the same cal
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  Speaker 1: Poly at the same time, and then now I find
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  Speaker 1: out that Laurie Hacking and Susan Powell worked at the
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  Speaker 1: same Wells Fargo and Utah that does.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what a small world, all right?
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  Speaker 1: So July sixteenth of two thousand and four, this is
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  Speaker 1: when Laurie discovers the medical school lies. So while they're
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  Speaker 1: preparing for their move, Laurie contacts the University of North
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  Speaker 1: Carolina about Mark's financial aid. School officials told her that
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  Speaker 1: there was no record of Mark being enrolled in the
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  Speaker 1: medical program. Laurie reportedly became extremely upset at work after
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  Speaker 1: realizing that Mark had lied to her. When she confronts Mark,
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  Speaker 1: he initially tries to explain the discrepancy as a problem
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  Speaker 1: with the university's system. See that's the thing about someone
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  Speaker 1: like that who's been lying that long. I bet he's
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  Speaker 1: an expert at lying when things like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was so quick right as stupid as
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  Speaker 3: it might sound, like, oh yeah, their whole systems down,
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  Speaker 3: and so my name was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like it's a logistical error, like I just
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  Speaker 1: I applied late, so I'm not in the system yet.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like something that he said. But someone
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  Speaker 1: like that knows how to lie when issues like that
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  Speaker 1: come up. Yeah, it has no problem just making yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right to keep carrying on this facade. So then July eighteenth,
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand and four, Mark's other lives start to unravel.
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  Speaker 1: Lauri confronts Mark again and demands that he tell her
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  Speaker 1: the truth. Mark admits that he had not been accepted
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  Speaker 1: to medical school and had also lied about graduating from
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  Speaker 1: the University of Utah. Laurie learned that much of the
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  Speaker 1: life and educational history that Mark had presented to her
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  Speaker 1: and their families was all fabricated. So the couple had
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  Speaker 1: a major argument, and Laurie reportedly wanted time apart and
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  Speaker 1: planned for Mark to go to North Carolina without her.
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  Speaker 1: There was a handwritten letter from Laurie reflecting serious problems
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: in their relationship and indicated that she was considering leaving
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: if things did not change.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what things that you want to change.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you find out that your entire marriage to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: this man, it's not just a small lie.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: It's not like he's why you're saying. The change would
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: have to be you're a different person.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Right, So what kind of change would she expecting?
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there are high school sweethearts, so they
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: have a history. Yeah, and back then I imagine he
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: was a little bit more of a genuine person to her,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: So maybe it's more like come clean as to everything
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: that happened, and like you're a very unforgiving person, so
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: you're having difficulty. Well I'm just well no, I mean
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you you Yeah, that's what I mentioned.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So I'm just.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Saying, at what point in the relationship, but you write
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a letter and say we can't go on unless things change,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, what kind of things do you want to change?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, the man's like light about he gets up
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: every day. I know.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Do you think he had a master plan to fake
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: his ways through?
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Well? Was he going to fake practicing medicine? Is he
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: going to fake opening up his own practice? At what
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: point it's his end game? What's the exist strategy? Right?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the same question I had when we did
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the Maternal Instinct one where she faked the pregnancy, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it was like what, how Well, obviously we know she.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Could have faked in a miscarriage. That's what makes this
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: so wild, right, I Mean, he he didn't just fake
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: undergrad right and then and then got caught when you
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: know somehow it's like he faked graduating, he faked his
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: turn papers, he faked applying to schools, he faked researching
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the schools and traveling, and then he faked getting accepted,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: and then and they were going to go as far
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: as moving as if he was going to go to campus.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Right, So I'm saying, if they did end up moving
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to North Carolina, for him to attend Chapel Hill was
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the plan. He was going to get up every day,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I intend to go to medicalpools.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: If it was simply everything was truthful except he got
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: denied medical school and he faked getting accepted, you'd be like, oh, okay,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: he kind of didn't know how to break the news
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to people. But this is like he was. He was
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: faking a permanent student, right, full time student always.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: So early on July nineteenth, the two thousand and four,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: while Laurie is sleeping, Mark retrieves a twenty two caliber
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: rifle and intentionally shoots her in the head. Mark later
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: admits that he kills Laurie after she discovered the extent
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: of his lies. I think, you know what, I think
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: that he ends up shooting her not only because she
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: confronts him about all the lies, and then he has
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to he has to I guess he has to process
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the fact that not only does she know that he
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: liked about everything.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: But it's going to be exposed.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: To his family.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: His family who are educated, and his dad's a doctor,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and his brothers are in the medical field or scientific field,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and they're all highly intelligent, well you know, educated people.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: For the very reason he was hiding all this, right
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and faking it all, He's going to be embarrassed.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So he wraps her body and places it in a dumpster,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: causing her remains to eventually be transported to a landfill.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Mark attempts to clean the evidence from their home. He
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: disposes of the murder weapon and the blood stained mattress,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and he purchases a replacement mattress. Actually, he reports, he
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: let's go through a little bit of the timeline.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Ya, this isak he overlooked or you skip something.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he kills her the night before on an
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: early early morning or you know, late night on July eighteenth,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: is when he shoots her in her sleep. Then on
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the next morning, at approximately ten forty nine am, Mark
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: calls authorities and reports Laurie missing. He claims that Laurie
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: had left around five thirty am for a year jog
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: at Memory Grove Park and had never returned or arrived
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: at work. Laurie's car was then found near the park,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: seemingly supporting Mark's story at first that she had driven
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to the park right and parked her car, and that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: she had gone for a morning drive, and.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: He did that park correctly by locating her car where
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: he claimed she went right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He was like, well, now I got a driver car
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: there and drop it off somewhere where she would have parked.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And now I'm going to call the police and say
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that she went jogging and I haven't seen her. Investigators
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: soon noticed inconsistencies in his stories, like, for example, when
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they go back and search their house or their apartment,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: they see that everything's being packed up because they're moving, right,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: because because he's going to med school. But they find
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Lourie's belongings inside the house, so her wallet is there,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: her keys remained at home. And also they noticed that
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the driver's seat of her car appeared positioned for someone
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: taller than Laurie.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I believe she was only five.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Foot time and he was significantly taller. And they said
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: if in that position, her feet wouldn't even reach the pedals. Right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, he thought he was smart, but not so smart.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: He forgot to take her purse wallet.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: With him in the car.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: He's only good enough to be a fake pre med
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: student and.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Right and now a fake crime scene creator. Yea. Police
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: also found evidence inside the couple's home that suggested that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: their marriage had recently been under strain. I believe they
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: find the letter that Laurie had found.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Mark's report sparked a massive search involving police and thousands
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of volunteers. You know, when he first reports her missing,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: everyone rallies around him, right, and both families are very supportive,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and tons of volunteers come out to search for her,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and they're searching in the park, and then they also
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: then the police start to hone in on him because
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I believe they pull like they asked him what he
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: did that day?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I think, unless you're going to get into this,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: he went and looked for her on the jogging route.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Did you know that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I believe, And he claims that he went and looked
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: for her, but he went and looks for His recounting
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: of the story is that he went and looked for
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: her on her route, which is like, why would you go,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like on a three mile jog to look for your wife.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: That's kind of out of the ordinary before he called
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: her work to see if she went there. But it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: just kind of like out of order. You would go backwards.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't just assume she went missing on the jogging route.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You would find out she went to work or missed
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: work first and then go backwards. And then you mentioned
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: he bought a mattress. When is that in the.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Time of This is where this is when he starts
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to become a person of interest with the police, because
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I believe they asked him what he did that day.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: They end up finding surveillance video of him buying a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: new mattress. But it's like shortly after he reports her missing, right,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: so he's in a store buying a new mattress. I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: how dumb are you at that point? Right right July twentieth,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Mark is hospitalized. This is when
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: do you remember this part of the story. This is
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: when I think police are starting to hone in on
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: him and they know that he went and bought a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: new mattress. They're searching the house, they find her you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: wallet and purse there, and I think they're building a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: case against him, and I think he probably knows they're
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: building a case against him as a person of interest.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: So he runs outside naked, and remember he's asked. He
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like acts like he's having a psychiatric like a psychosis
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: type of He works in a mental hospital, so he
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: probably took he took some notes, so I think he
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, the police are on to me. To me,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it seemed like it was a distraction, like don't look
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: over there, look over here. I'm crazy, or he's anticipating,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you know, if I get caught, I'm going to say
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm crazy, like it's a defense.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Or it's like I you know, this is me kind
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: of being grieving, like I'm going crazy. My wife is
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: he was murdered, you know, or whatever or missing? I
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: guess at this point he's missing. But there's a there's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: a part of the timeline the night of her you know, killing,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and he shot her. They went to the convenience store. Yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and there's footage of her, so it's not just a
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: witness account, but there's footage of them there and then
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: they they they leave.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I got a candy bar and a drink.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, so they leave. He it's reported that he had
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: come back without her.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: He did at one am.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and now he's without her. So it's presumed
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that she died right between that timeframe, right, he killed her,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: came back and got a snack, and then to think
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: that then he goes back to his wife that's dead
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: in the bed, like like he just this guy that lives.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: How can he just no conscience? He can't have one, No,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: to just fake that lifestyle and then to kill her
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: and then go get I don't know what you get
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the second time.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it told me what he bought
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the second time. I do know when they went together,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: they got like a candy bar and a drink, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I believe the convenience worker had said that they come
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: in there pretty often.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something. And I think he bought cigarettes there regularly,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and it was always like, don't tell my wife. So
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: he really is just a you know, putting on a
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: mask to try to be like a family guy.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Right, So then after he runs around naked the police.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, why wouldn't you fake just going to a
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: local medical school. It'd be easier.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean because when he's a big.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: We go to Chapel Hill.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It's a top one. Yeah, the top school.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It is well.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And it's also interesting like then his his wife has
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to quit her job and then she has to relocate
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and find a new quit his job. Yeah, he's subsequently
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: admitted to a psychiatric hospital.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So this is he does go.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They do admit him to a psychiatric hospital. And they
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: when I watched this.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: The same one that he worked at.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the same one.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It probably he's on leave. He's admitted.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But the police were saying in this documentary type thing
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I watched, they said they found it very interesting that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he was having this you know, psychosis episode and he's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: running around naked, but he had the thought, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the thought process to put sandals on so that when
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: he was out. Yeah, but he was like outside, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he wasn't like getting his feet ergy, so.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious, nothing on, but he had sandals.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, protective And they said that they just honed in
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: on those sandals because they were saying they had experience
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: with people acting like sedimately crazy and getting naked. They
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: said it was very normal for people to get naked
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: when they have some kind of psychiatric break, but that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: they don't leave their shoes on. So the fact that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: he puts sandals onto protect his feeties. Yeah, was you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: know another you know, another reason that they were continuing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to look at him as the you know, the purp.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: All right, So we get to July of two thousand
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and four, and the evidence is building against Mark. At
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: this point, investigators found blood evidence connected to Louri and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the couple's home and vehicle and people, and police also
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: discovered Lurie's handwritten letter describing problems in the marriage. First
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of all, if you murder someone in your home, you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: can I don't think you can ever get.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Rid of all of the blood.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: That's why I always had questions about that suitcase killer
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that we talked about, the one that she suitcase killer,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Well there were not the Sarah Boon one. The other
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: one where she murdered her husband at home like after
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: dinner time, and then she dismembered his body and then
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: put her his body in different suitcases and that's how
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: she got him out of the house.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: But remember they.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Found no no forensics in the house, no DNA, no blood,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: no nothing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Search though I don't know that because the Boston Police
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Department can't search for crap. So it could be that
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: you mean the Boston PD were the state of Massachusetts.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So they did find blood evidence connected to Lauri in
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the home, and they also discover the hand letter which
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: she talks about how they're having problems and their marriage.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Surveillance footage also showed Mark purchasing a new mattress before
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: he called nine to one one to report Lourie missing,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and investigators increasingly suspected that Lourie had never gone jogging
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and that Mark had staged her disappearance.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I think so the order of events is, went to
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the store, yeah, killed her, went back to the store
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the next day or soon thereafter, he gets a mattress,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: then he reports her missing. Then he's out of order
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: and kind of looking for her, and then then they
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: find traces of blood and whatnot in the home.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Right on July twenty fourth of two thousand and four,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Mark confesses to his brothers, So his brothers go and
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: visit him while he's hospitalized in the psychiatric ward.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I wonder if their brothers kind of have they some
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: reason to think that some okay, go.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Ahead they do, you know, well, I think they just
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: like's they know there's more to the story.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Not adding up, and you know, it doesn't look good
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And I think at this point they know he probably
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: didn't go to medical school or whatever.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Those lives have all come out. Yeah, you know, So
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: his brothers go and visit him, and I believe they
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: urge him to tell them what, to come clean and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: tell them what actually happened. So at this time, he
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: confesses to his brothers that he had shot and killed
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Laurie with a twenty two caliber caliber rifle. He also
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: acknowledged the extensive lies that he had told about his
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: education and medical school plans, and his brothers ultimately, see
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if when he confessed this to his brothers,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think he thought the brothers were going to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: get Yeah, so his brothers ultimately shared the confession with authorities,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: so investigators, Yeah, continue searching for Laurie. Yeah, they said
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that they ended up. They called the police detective and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and shared what.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good for them. Yeah, I thought there was like
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: sibling purplege or something.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Well, he probably thought he was sharing with his brothers,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and he probably thought that they would protect him in
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: some way.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: But they didn't.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I turn him in.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You would if your sister confessed to kill someone.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Well I couldn't have that on my conscience.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I couldn't hold onto that and do the right thing.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think I could protect someone.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because then what if my sister comes, he kills me.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: What if I'm next to turn her in?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to protect herself. Right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: On August second of two thousand and four, Marcus finally arrested.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: After gathering physical evidence and learning about Mark's confession, the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: police arrested him for Lorie's murder. Authorities shift their search
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to the Salt Lake County landfill because he admitted where
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he told them he actually I believe he used three
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: different dumpsters I put. I think he put the rifle
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in one dumpster, he put the mattress in another one,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and then he put her body in a third one.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So now they know that her body was in a dumpster,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: got picked up by trash, and then ended up in
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a landfill. So authorities now shift their search to the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake County landfill, where they believe Lori's body had
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: been taken after Mark had placed it in the dumpster.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of volunteers, investigators, and cadaver dogs participated in the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: landfill search. In the interview, I watched they were talking
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: about how disgusting, like the smell of being of searching
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in a landfill, in a landfill, like how nauseating and how.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Disgusting it was. It's got to be unsafe too. You
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: have to have protective gear.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: They did, they had and then they had masks, and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: thank goodness, they did say that the cadaver dogs were
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: helpful because the cadaver dogs would kind of signal as
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to where they smelled the decomposing body. But then you
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: know how the trash is compacted on top and on
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: top there's so many layers and it's pressed down and.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: It's not like it's boxes you're just moving. I mean,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it's all intertwined and.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, true.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So I believe that they could narrow at least the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: search down where the cadaver dogs were signaling, but then
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: they had to just dig through just layers.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: How much time had lapsed between the killing and the
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: time when they're searching, do we know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Two and a half months after her two and a.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Half months, So yeah, that's a lot of landfill.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: You know, the the guy that was looking for his
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: computer in the landfill in the UK because it had
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: his bitcoins on it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how many bitcoins did he have?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Like eight? He had eight thousand bitcoins, which at its
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: peak would have been like eight nine hundred million dollars.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: That's insane. I would be there too.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And he had employed people and to incentivize them with
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: tens of millions. Yeah, like like we'll share the pot.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: You know his bitcoin password though, that's the question.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a different guy. Oh that's that's a lot
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But anyway, anyway, he just announced. I know this isn't
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: true crime. It's sad. He announced last week that he folded.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: He gave up. Yeah, he never found it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think why it is. I think it
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: was also fighting a lot of city council and stuff
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: like that to go through the dumpsters. So it was
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: it was just always an uphill battle.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine, though, you go to bed every night
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: thinking about how you could have had nine hundred million dollars,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but you don't because it's in a landfill somewhere and.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: You gave up.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So, after approximately two months of searching through thousands of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: tons of garbage, investigators finally discover human remains in the landfill.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Dental evidence confirmed that the remains belonged to Laurie. Her
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: family was finally able to recover and bury her remains
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: approximately two and a half months after she had disappeared.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: On October twenty ninth of two thousand and four, Mark
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: pleads not guilty. So Mark initially pleaded not guilty to
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the charges against him. He faced first degree murder and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: obstruction related charges connected to disposing of Laurie's body, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: murder weapon, and and the other evidence. Because remember he
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: got rid of the rifle and the mattress and the body.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Also I think a carpet too. He rolled her up
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in a rug, did he, And he dumped her and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: they found the rug too in the landfill, which just
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: kind of further connected, you know, his story.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: On April of two thousand and five, Mark pleads guilty.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So he changes his plea. He changed his plea and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to first degree murders.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I always find when someone changes it from not guilty
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to guilty. Yeah, I always picture like all right, all right,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: all right, I did it well, like okay, you got me.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: He ended up with a plea agreement, So I believe
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that they got rid of the lesser charges of like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the obstruction and the you know, getting.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Rid of posing of a body, all the stuff that
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter, right, they got rid.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Of all that, and they're like, okay, well, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: take a plea deal.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: You'll just plead guilty to first degree in court, he
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: explicitly admitted that he intentionally shot Luri in the head
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: with a twenty two caliber rifle. As part of the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: plea agreement, obstruction of justice charges relating to disposing of
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Laurie's body and the gun in the bloody mattress were dropped.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how much of a difference that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would have made anyway, but prosecutors thought the maximum sentence
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: available for the murder conviction. And authorities were unable to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: conclusively establish Lori's reported pregnancy. Oh yeah, that was I remember.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That was a big issue because if they could establish
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that she was pregnant, then it would have been to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: two murder charges. But they could only they couldn't find
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: any evidence. I know they I saw an interview with
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the medical doctor that did the examination.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: What could they not satisfy? What element could they not satisfy?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: The body was so badly decomposed when they found the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: body and the landfill that they could not find.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: So her pregnancy was only announced by her, wasn't. It's
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: not like she had been to a physician or anything
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: To document got around five weeks pregnant, and I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: all she had done at that time was say that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant. So they wanted they tried to establish
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that she was pregnant, but the body was so decomposed
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that the tissue samples that they had that they were testing,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they could ever come up with any type of I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: don't know what shows up a pregnancy hormone or something
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: in what they had right, right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It was just his ward or his someone's word that
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: she had said she was pregnant.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Right. On June sixth of two thousand and five, Mark
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to six years to life in prison, which
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: was the maximum sentence available under Utah law for the conviction.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people were outraged.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I think that sounds yeah, it sounds like six years, right.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Is what it sounds like.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: It's six years to life, But the six years is
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: what outraged the public and people were like, are you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: kidding me?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Like this he af through medical school and residency and
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: all that state. Then it would to serve a sentence
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: for having killed your wife exactly.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: So during sentencing, Mark express remorse and said he could
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: not adequately explain why he murdered Laurie.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: He didn't, and he did. I remember it was he'd
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: say it was touching. But it seemed like he had
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: really come to his senses in terms of what he did,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: because he talked about how she had only loved him
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: unconditionally and how kind she was, and how basically how
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: much of a lie he had lived. It was kind
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: of sad. And then he said he killed her, and yeah,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: he didn't deny any of it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Laurie's family continued to struggle with why Mark chose to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: kill her rather than simply admit his lies or end
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: their marriage. I thought, is that's the ultimate question of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: every case we do until death.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: To his part, why did you not just get divorced?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand why people feel like murder is
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the easy way out. I mean, other than I guess
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he's such a narcissist that he just thought he could.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I thought, I thought he I don't know how planned
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: it was or how much of it was kind of
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: you know, it just kind of quickly came together because
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I thought he I thought when they were moving like
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: he had come across his gun, So then that kind
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: of maybe planted it in his mind. I don't know
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: any of this. I mean, he's still a killer, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: maybe it just kind of came really quickly and it
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: just kind of everything aligned up up and then he
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: did it. So he didn't really think much of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: what would happen after.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: But I would think that the reason that he did
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it was because he was just trying to continue on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: with the west Lies and Laurie was the deterrent and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that she never knew the truth, and so he chose
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to murder her as opposed to be a liar to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: his family.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: But we're talking about like what was his thinking, what
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: was his game plan after he kills her. I'm saying
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think he ever got that far right. He
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just killed her and then thought, oh and then he
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: disposes of the body.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean he tried a little to stage it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I mean he drives there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I would like to ask him if
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I could, is had she not discovered that you were
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: not a pre med student in medical you know, admittee
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: or whatever? It is, like what was your next step?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And then and then when the years come where you're
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: supposedly graduating, what was your step at? Like, like walk
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: me through how far.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Was he going to keep? Just was like, was he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: going to fake a residency?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: That's what I would want to do.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And then once he did a fake a resident, he's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: going to fake being a doctor. And then isn't she
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: going to wonder where is doctor paycheck? Is?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, wouldn't you want to ask him that question?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fascinating.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So Mark and his family released a statement acknowledging that
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: his actions were inexcusable. While discussing personal and academic struggles
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that he had experienced, Mark warned others about how seemingly
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: small lies can escalate and affect the people around them.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: That was nice of him to do that. I actually
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: have I have.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I think you should read it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: You're going to get Yeah I was going to do
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: that too, Yeah I have it. I mean it doesn't
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it certainly doesn't change anything of what happened, but it
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: really lets you know he is human and he and
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: he came to that. I don't know, just the fact
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of people would even deny that much and
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: not give people that much. You know, sentiment.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is what he had written. I know prison
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: is where I need to be. I will spend my
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: time there doing all I can to write the many
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: wrongs I have done. Though I realized complete atonement is
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: impossible in this life. I have a lot of healing
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and changing to do, but I hope that someday I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: can become the man Laurie always thought that I was.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: To the many people I have hurt, I am more
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: sorry than you could ever know. Every day my soul
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: burns and torment. When I think of what you must
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: be going through. I wish I could take away your pain.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I wish I could take back all the lies I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: have told and replace them with the truth. I wish
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I could put Lori back into your arms. My pain
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: is deserved, yours is not. From the bottom of my heart,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I beg for your forgiveness. There is no such thing
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: as a harmless lie, no matter how small it is.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: You may think a lie only hurts the liar, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: this is far from the truth. If you are traveling
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a path of lies, please stop now and face the consequences.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Whatever those consequences, they will be better than the pain
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you are causing yourself and others.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: So nothing selfish in that statement or anything.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this excuse, but this is Utah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: so they are a Mormon family. And I believe that
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: his faith is what brought him to the point of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: reflecting and saying what he said. However, I wish he
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: would have been more in tune to his religious faith
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: while he was a little sooner lying and all the things.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: So well, clearly that didn't take place right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: One last thing that I thought was interesting, Wait, the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: six years to life.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: That just means at six years it's the soonest the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: person can be eligible for parole. It does not mean
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: they will be granted parole or anything.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: No, And I believe in this case with Mark Hacking,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: he is not eligible for parole until twenty thirty five.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And also I believe the judge I might have been
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the judge said he probably would not even be granted
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: parole in twenty thirty five because there was an outrage
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: about the six years where people were anticipating or thinking
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that he could possibly be freed within six years. But
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that is not the case, all right, So the aftermath
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of the hacking and Sorah's families. I do I found
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this interesting. So Laurie's mom has now stated and she
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: she writes back and forth with Mark. Mark reached out
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to her multiple times and wrote her letters, and then
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: she she now claims that she has forgiven him. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I believe her forgiveness comes with not forgiving him, but
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: forgiving him for herself.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? You know what I'm
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: saying by that, not to make.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Him feel better, but so that she let go.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: So that she has some type of peace.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: So I do believe that they correspond and that she
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: does write back to them, and that she has acknowledged
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that she.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Has forgive forgive one another.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Right. Also, one last thing about this case, Laurie's family
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: did remove the surname Hacking from her headstone. So when
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: she was initially buried, it had his last name, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: they felt that it was appropriate to remove her killer's last.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Name from her headstone.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So now it only has her birthday, her maiden name sous.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is the Utah case of Lori
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and Mark Hacking. And again the takeaway from this is
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: please pursue divorce. It is the better option in every
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: situation and in every scenario. Yes, all right, thank you
• 43:25
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• 43:26
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• 43:28
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• 43:40
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