Latest / Foul Territory / Ken Rosenthal on Roman Anthony, Basallo's O’s Deal, Astros Offense + Sticking with Padres in NL West
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- 0:07Speaker 1: Hey, we're back with Ken Rosenthal Live. Ken, how are you?
- 0:12Speaker 1: How are you? From some hotel room in America.
- 0:15Speaker 2: It's basically how Can lives his life as he goes
- 0:18Speaker 2: from game to game.
- 0:19Speaker 3: Here exactly, I'm in San Diego getting ready for FS
- 0:23Speaker 3: one tomorrow night. San Diego Padres hosting the Los Angeles Dodgers.
- 0:29Speaker 1: Should be an excellent series. Ken. We'll get into that
- 0:32Speaker 1: more or later.
- 0:33Speaker 2: But you wrote about Roman Anthony and obviously had a
- 0:36Speaker 2: big home run last night.
- 0:37Speaker 1: We talked about him earlier in the show, his maturity when.
- 0:41Speaker 2: You look at a guy like this, Ken, I mean
- 0:43Speaker 2: I mentioned this in the show, but like, how important
- 0:46Speaker 2: is it for him to be the total package if
- 0:49Speaker 2: he's going to come up and not just have the
- 0:50Speaker 2: physical tools, but you know, the mental tools and being
- 0:53Speaker 2: able to really embrace everything that goes along with being
- 0:57Speaker 2: a big deal to the.
- 0:58Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox, which is a very tough market to survive.
- 1:01Speaker 3: In, Britt, it's always important to be that kind of person,
- 1:04Speaker 3: and he seems to be the kind of player, the
- 1:08Speaker 3: kind of young man who was just utterly unfazed by
- 1:11Speaker 3: anything that's going on around him. So when I wrote
- 1:14Speaker 3: that column, that was leading into the series. It was
- 1:17Speaker 3: about kind of how he's met every challenge so far
- 1:21Speaker 3: in a big way, and here he is going into
- 1:23Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium, a centerpiece of the rivalry for perhaps the
- 1:27Speaker 3: next eight or nine years, because he signed long term,
- 1:30Speaker 3: and I didn't expect that it was going to be
- 1:32Speaker 3: a problem based on everything people told me. I'm not
- 1:35Speaker 3: that much of a soothsayer that I can tell this myself.
- 1:38Speaker 3: So he goes into the Yankee Stadium last night, Game one,
- 1:42Speaker 3: draws a walk, has a game tying single, and then
- 1:47Speaker 3: of course the home run, which was an absolute dagger
- 1:50Speaker 3: in the ninth inning, a two run shot to make
- 1:52Speaker 3: the score six to three. I would say he looked unfazed.
- 1:57Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's stay with some young guys in
- 1:59Speaker 4: the American League East Sami Basio just sign an extension.
- 2:04Speaker 4: Obviously we can look at the numbers. Obviously we can
- 2:07Speaker 4: look at the player, But can you hit on more
- 2:10Speaker 4: of the long term ramifications and just the overall picture
- 2:15Speaker 4: of the Orioles who are doing bad this year but
- 2:19Speaker 4: are still expected to win.
- 2:21Speaker 3: A couple of things here, Eric, First off, the implications
- 2:24Speaker 3: for the industry when you see young players like bassioh
- 2:28Speaker 3: like Roman Anthony, like Jackson Merrill sign these deals. I
- 2:32Speaker 3: always see both sides of it. Certainly, if it's my
- 2:36Speaker 3: son and somebody's way of one hundred and thirty million
- 2:38Speaker 3: at them, or even sixty seven million, as Basio just got,
- 2:42Speaker 3: it's really tempting and you never know what will happen
- 2:44Speaker 3: in life, and that money is obviously guaranteed it's going
- 2:49Speaker 3: to set you up for a long time. The other
- 2:52Speaker 3: side of this is when these young guys sign these extensions,
- 2:56Speaker 3: they are sacrificing the chance to earn even more, much
- 3:00Speaker 3: more money at a later time. Now, Basillah was a
- 3:03Speaker 3: guy who would have been a free agent, I believe
- 3:06Speaker 3: entering his age twenty seventh season. Roman Anthony the same.
- 3:09Speaker 3: And those are young ages for free agents. We've seen
- 3:13Speaker 3: how free agents can benefit when they enter the league
- 3:17Speaker 3: so young, and then of course reach their six years
- 3:19Speaker 3: and go to free agency, and who knows, in the
- 3:22Speaker 3: next CBA it might not even be six years, maybe
- 3:25Speaker 3: it's five. So all of that is clearly a concern
- 3:30Speaker 3: for the Union as they try to push the salary
- 3:32Speaker 3: structure forward. And I know most fans sit there and say, well,
- 3:36Speaker 3: what's the difference, man? The guy's making one hundred million,
- 3:38Speaker 3: the guy's making five hundred million. There is a difference,
- 3:40Speaker 3: and it does matter. But again, I see both sides
- 3:44Speaker 3: of it. I get torn on it, Eric, because in
- 3:48Speaker 3: my mind Roman Anthony is probably going to be a
- 3:50Speaker 3: five hundred and six million, six hundred million dollar player
- 3:53Speaker 3: if he becomes a free agent Pisia. I'm not so
- 3:54Speaker 3: sure about the position. It question makes it a little
- 3:57Speaker 3: bit different. Of course, Jackson Merrill center field, and my goodness,
- 4:01Speaker 3: he could have hit the jackpot. But these guys made
- 4:03Speaker 3: their choices, and I'm sure they're comfortable with their choices. Now.
- 4:07Speaker 3: From the Orioles perspective, I heard Andy Coska earlier talk
- 4:11Speaker 3: about how this is a statement by ownership. I don't
- 4:14Speaker 3: buy that this contract is a deal any club would
- 4:19Speaker 3: have wanted to do with a player as promising as Psio.
- 4:21Speaker 3: I don't care what position he plays. He's going to hit.
- 4:24Speaker 3: We've seen that already. He's one of these guys who
- 4:27Speaker 3: looks like he was born to hit. So eight years,
- 4:30Speaker 3: sixty seven million, sign me up. The real question for
- 4:34Speaker 3: the Orioles will be, as Andy mentioned, what they do
- 4:38Speaker 3: in the off season, because they do have a lot
- 4:39Speaker 3: to do, and hey, they made a representative offer to
- 4:43Speaker 3: Corbyn Burn's last offseason four years, one hundred and eighty million.
- 4:47Speaker 3: It was representative, but it was also bound to lose
- 4:50Speaker 3: because they knew everyone knew he wanted six years or
- 4:54Speaker 3: seven years. So it's a huge offseason for them. Obviously,
- 4:58Speaker 3: this is a good step. And people might say, well,
- 5:00Speaker 3: what about Henderson and what about Rushman and what about
- 5:03Speaker 3: Westburg all these other guys, Well they're all different. Henderson
- 5:07Speaker 3: represented by Scott Borris, as is Jackson Holliday. Scott Bors'
- 5:11Speaker 3: clients generally go to the open market. Doesn't always happen.
- 5:14Speaker 3: I know Scott might be listening. It doesn't always happen,
- 5:18Speaker 3: but more times than not it does happen. And with Rushman,
- 5:22Speaker 3: he obviously did not sign extension. And now there are
- 5:24Speaker 3: questions about what Adley Rushman is, what he's going to be.
- 5:27Speaker 3: So passioh was the guy. He was the guy who
- 5:30Speaker 3: was willing to take a deal and good for the
- 5:32Speaker 3: Oriols in getting it done.
- 5:34Speaker 4: He talked about the broader picture. I want to talk
- 5:37Speaker 4: about the broader picture of those three contracts. Merrill, rom
- 5:42Speaker 4: and Anthony and Bassio. Does this can this give fans
- 5:46Speaker 4: an idea of how much money teams I don't want
- 5:50Speaker 4: to say wasting, are, but when a guy has very
- 5:52Speaker 4: little time in the big leagues, the uncertainty of how
- 5:55Speaker 4: he's going to make adjustments in the big leagues and
- 5:58Speaker 4: actually have a successful career, shouldn't it give fans an
- 6:01Speaker 4: idea of when your team says, ah, we don't want
- 6:04Speaker 4: to spend forty million dollars, but they're giving contracts to
- 6:07Speaker 4: guys who are just barely in the big leagues that
- 6:10Speaker 4: are over eighty six, you know, eighty to one hundred
- 6:13Speaker 4: million dollars. Shouldn't this give fans an idea like, hey,
- 6:16Speaker 4: it's really not that much money in the scheme of
- 6:19Speaker 4: things for teams.
- 6:21Speaker 3: It's not if you look at it on a an
- 6:24Speaker 3: annual basis. Excuse me, So, yes, it's sixty seven million
- 6:29Speaker 3: for VISAIOH, but it's over eight years. It's one hundred
- 6:32Speaker 3: and thirty million for Roman Anthony over eight years, one
- 6:34Speaker 3: hundred and thirty five for Jackson Merrill over nine years.
- 6:37Speaker 3: When you break it down like that, it's very club friendly.
- 6:41Speaker 3: And obviously, if these players went year to year then
- 6:44Speaker 3: went to arbitration, where their salaries would rise and then
- 6:47Speaker 3: to free agency, the potential for more is there. At
- 6:50Speaker 3: the same time, teams will say these contracts can be
- 6:54Speaker 3: gambles too, because there is no certainty in the game.
- 6:57Speaker 3: Maybe visioh is a bust. I don't believe that is
- 7:01Speaker 3: a very high likelihood, but it could happen. We've seen
- 7:04Speaker 3: this kind of thing happen before, so there is a
- 7:07Speaker 3: bit of risk on the club side to commit that much.
- 7:10Speaker 3: And there is also, Eric, I'm interested to hear your
- 7:12Speaker 3: thoughts on this, the possibility of complacency for certain players
- 7:16Speaker 3: after they get their money. I don't know that it
- 7:19Speaker 3: happens very often. Most players are extremely driven, but there
- 7:22Speaker 3: is that, and there's been some talk. I know my
- 7:25Speaker 3: colleague at Fox, John Smoltz, has mentioned with the Braves,
- 7:28Speaker 3: he gave all these guys money and now, well, it's
- 7:31Speaker 3: not necessarily all working out in your favor. Injuries occur,
- 7:35Speaker 3: as with Spencer Streider in their case. So Eric, I
- 7:39Speaker 3: wonder what you think about that trend. Just from that perspective, ft.
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- 8:44Speaker 3: No.
- 8:44Speaker 4: I can hear that. I can hear what you're saying.
- 8:46Speaker 4: But we started this out talking about the talking about
- 8:50Speaker 4: the article that you wrote about Roman Anthony. They all
- 8:53Speaker 4: of a sudden, they didn't just find Samubisaio and like, oh,
- 8:56Speaker 4: we didn't even see this guy. They've known him, they've
- 8:59Speaker 4: had him since he was sixteen years old. So if
- 9:03Speaker 4: you're a player out there that's not getting a contract extension,
- 9:06Speaker 4: and you're that type of player, maybe they're worried about
- 9:09Speaker 4: that and so they wouldn't go that route. So but
- 9:12Speaker 4: I see it as a player's point of view, there's
- 9:15Speaker 4: so many guys that get extensions and actually play better
- 9:18Speaker 4: because they're not worried about where their next contract or
- 9:21Speaker 4: getting hurt is going to come from.
- 9:23Speaker 3: Eric, it's actually a good point. And when I wrote
- 9:25Speaker 3: that story about Anthony, I talked to his agent, Mark Rogers,
- 9:28Speaker 3: and Mark said to me that he thinks in part
- 9:33Speaker 3: Anthony wanted the deal because he doesn't want the distraction.
- 9:36Speaker 3: He just wants to go play, and there's value in that.
- 9:38Speaker 3: Let's face it, if Roman Anthony did not sign that deal,
- 9:42Speaker 3: what would happen in a city like Boston, where there
- 9:44Speaker 3: was such intense focus on the team, They would be
- 9:47Speaker 3: talk of the extension year after year after year up
- 9:50Speaker 3: until he became a free agent, as there was with
- 9:53Speaker 3: Mookie Betts and Xander Bogart's and others. So he eliminates that,
- 9:58Speaker 3: and he can now just go play and he's not
- 10:00Speaker 3: going to be impoverished. We all know that. So that's
- 10:04Speaker 3: another angle to this that definitely is worth considering.
- 10:08Speaker 1: Ken I want to stay in the Al East.
- 10:10Speaker 2: I want to go to the Blue Jays, who Shann
- 10:13Speaker 2: Bieber's making his first start tonight, and he I think
- 10:16Speaker 2: is a great acquisition and certainly.
- 10:18Speaker 1: Didn't cost an arm and a leg because he hasn't pitched.
- 10:20Speaker 1: He's coming off Tommy John. So the Blue Jays were
- 10:22Speaker 1: lied very heavily on their scouts in Ross Atkins in
- 10:26Speaker 1: addressing a need because you look at this rotation right
- 10:29Speaker 1: now for the Blue Jays, they've got five guys, so
- 10:32Speaker 1: now you have a little bit of a competition. You
- 10:33Speaker 1: had Bieber into the mix.
- 10:34Speaker 2: They're twenty seventh and f four, their twentieth in era
- 10:37Speaker 2: and during today. Could this be a potential big impact
- 10:41Speaker 2: deal because we don't often see starting pitchers of Bieber's
- 10:44Speaker 2: caliber moved at the deadline And could this really, in
- 10:48Speaker 2: your mind, if Bieber is even close to Bieber of old,
- 10:52Speaker 2: could this catapult Toronto into like a real legitimate World
- 10:57Speaker 2: Series threat that.
- 10:58Speaker 3: Is the best case scenario. No, doubt, Britt. Now, they
- 11:01Speaker 3: did give up a good prospect for him, because he
- 11:03Speaker 3: is Shane Bieber, former Cy Young Winner, a guy who
- 11:05Speaker 3: when he is healthy, is as good as there is
- 11:08Speaker 3: in the game. The only concern I have here, and
- 11:12Speaker 3: I mentioned this, I believe in the column I wrote recently.
- 11:14Speaker 3: He's coming off Tommy John surgery. I know he's looked
- 11:17Speaker 3: great on his rehab assignment and from that perspective, from
- 11:22Speaker 3: that angle, you look at it and say, well, why
- 11:23Speaker 3: wouldn't he translate it to the big leagues. Because it's
- 11:26Speaker 3: not that easy. That's the reason. And we've seen Spencer Strider,
- 11:30Speaker 3: albeit a very different situation, coming off a second major
- 11:33Speaker 3: elbow surgery. But it doesn't always take imediately, and there
- 11:39Speaker 3: might be issues, control issues, command issues, whatever the case
- 11:42Speaker 3: might be with Bieber as he transitions back to the
- 11:45Speaker 3: major leagues. But the way you described it, Britt, if
- 11:49Speaker 3: he is indeed on track to becoming anything close to
- 11:53Speaker 3: the Shane Bieber of old, great move by the J's,
- 11:56Speaker 3: and yes it can be a catapulting kind of move.
- 12:00Speaker 3: The Jays are really interesting. I wrote about the Brewers
- 12:02Speaker 3: this week and the way they go about it and
- 12:04Speaker 3: the high contact low, strikeout, all the things that they
- 12:07Speaker 3: do offensively. The Jays are the American League version, and
- 12:11Speaker 3: you look at them and you wonder, Okay, vlad Bashett
- 12:14Speaker 3: Springer's having a great year. But all of these other players,
- 12:18Speaker 3: Barger and all the rest, they're not exactly household names,
- 12:22Speaker 3: and yet they do good things offensively to score enough runs.
- 12:26Speaker 3: So I am not only intrigued by Bieber and how
- 12:30Speaker 3: he might fit into that rotation, but I'm intrigued by
- 12:33Speaker 3: this team in general and just what they're going to be.
- 12:37Speaker 3: They're like Seattle to me. They've got to prove it.
- 12:40Speaker 3: And we've talked about Seattle for years on the verge
- 12:42Speaker 3: of contention. We've talked about the Jays for years, how
- 12:44Speaker 3: talented they are. Here, these teams are on the doorstep
- 12:48Speaker 3: of playoff berths. Well, they've got to go grab them
- 12:52Speaker 3: and then let's see what they do in October.
- 12:54Speaker 4: Right Another team on the doorstep or going out the doorstep,
- 12:58Speaker 4: Houston Astros, Josh Hater. Their bullpen is depleted. They just
- 13:02Speaker 4: signed Craig Kimbrel. But what I will ask you about
- 13:05Speaker 4: is not their bullpen being depleted, which you thought over
- 13:08Speaker 4: the last ten games would have been Oh, this is tough.
- 13:11Speaker 4: How can we get through games? Their offense? They scored
- 13:14Speaker 4: seven runs last night and that eclipsed what they had
- 13:17Speaker 4: scored in the previous six Is there a sense of
- 13:22Speaker 4: maybe some of the pieces that we have that we
- 13:25Speaker 4: picked up a Haesus Sanchez who went five for five
- 13:28Speaker 4: last night, But before that, I think nine hits aren't
- 13:32Speaker 4: necessarily fitting into the cog yet of the offensive system
- 13:37Speaker 4: that the Astros have, or is this team just not
- 13:39Speaker 4: that great at hitting on a consistent basis.
- 13:43Speaker 3: They're fine and they're going to be fine, and once
- 13:45Speaker 3: jord On Alvarez comes back, his presence alone is going
- 13:49Speaker 3: to transform that lineup, which is too right handed, has
- 13:52Speaker 3: been too right handed, and Sanchez was one of the reasons,
- 13:56Speaker 3: or one guy that they brought in for that reason. Right,
- 13:59Speaker 3: So I expect that they're going to be a good
- 14:02Speaker 3: offensive team again and now perfect. No team is, but
- 14:07Speaker 3: Alvarez alone because of that presence, could be transformative for them.
- 14:12Speaker 3: And they were a relatively decent offensive team from most
- 14:15Speaker 3: of the year until the last week or so or
- 14:17Speaker 3: last two weeks or so, not a dynamic group entirely,
- 14:21Speaker 3: but what's happened recently is kind of shocking. My bigger
- 14:24Speaker 3: concern is the bullpen without Hater. Kimberl's bounced around now.
- 14:28Speaker 3: I don't know that he is much of a solution.
- 14:30Speaker 3: Maybe he is, and the rotation, it's healthier and it
- 14:34Speaker 3: should be rounding into form with Javier back and Arragetty
- 14:38Speaker 3: and all that. I think they're going to be okay.
- 14:41Speaker 3: And I'm wondering though, if Seattle, as I just mentioned here,
- 14:45Speaker 3: you are Josh Hater is down. Houston is not what
- 14:49Speaker 3: we've seen in all recent years. Right, No Bregman, no Tucker.
- 14:54Speaker 3: We can go on and on and on. Korea is back,
- 14:56Speaker 3: but there's an opportunity here for Seattle, and are they
- 15:00Speaker 3: going to grab it? Yeah?
- 15:03Speaker 2: Houston we have a problem, is all I keep thinking
- 15:05Speaker 2: every time somebody brings.
- 15:06Speaker 1: Up the Astros. Can we talked about the Padres Dodgers.
- 15:09Speaker 1: I'll be there this series as well.
- 15:11Speaker 2: I know recently on your show Fair Territory you said
- 15:13Speaker 2: that you thought the Padres would win the NL West.
- 15:17Speaker 2: The Dodgers obviously swept them just last week they meet
- 15:20Speaker 2: again for three more.
- 15:22Speaker 1: I'm giving you an opportunity here, Ken does your what
- 15:25Speaker 1: do you think happens here?
- 15:26Speaker 2: And are you going to change who you think wins
- 15:28Speaker 2: the NL West based on what you saw the last
- 15:31Speaker 2: time these two teams met.
- 15:32Speaker 3: First off, Britt, you know this because we work together.
- 15:35Speaker 3: My predictions are awful, always awful, and they're worth nothing.
- 15:39Speaker 3: So whatever I say, I mean, I'm going off my
- 15:42Speaker 3: gut or whatever or whatever seeming intelligence I might have.
- 15:45Speaker 3: But I never can predict baseball. No one can. I
- 15:49Speaker 3: still like the Padres, and I like the Padres in
- 15:52Speaker 3: Park because of what the Dodgers just did in Colorado,
- 15:55Speaker 3: which was kind of face plant again. They split that series,
- 15:59Speaker 3: and that shouldn't be happening. They are a team that, yes,
- 16:03Speaker 3: got up for San Diego last week, but all season long,
- 16:07Speaker 3: I've just kind of questioned, coming off a World Series title,
- 16:11Speaker 3: if the same it's not desire, But there's something there
- 16:15Speaker 3: that I don't see that we've seen from the Dodgers
- 16:18Speaker 3: in the past. You see it in the Padres. They're
- 16:21Speaker 3: out to attack, They're out to slay the dragon. That's
- 16:24Speaker 3: the phrase I often use with this kind of situation.
- 16:28Speaker 3: They're ready to take the next step. Now are they
- 16:32Speaker 3: good enough? That's gonna be a question. And I still
- 16:34Speaker 3: wonder about their rotation. I still wonder about their offense,
- 16:37Speaker 3: which doesn't hit enough home runs. These are all fair questions,
- 16:41Speaker 3: and the Dodgers are the team to beat until proven otherwise.
- 16:44Speaker 3: But the Dodgers had a chance this week to maybe
- 16:49Speaker 3: at least hold the two game cushion, and it's now
- 16:51Speaker 3: back to one game and anything goes from this point on.
- 16:55Speaker 3: They've got defensive questions with Taoscar Hernandez. They've still got
- 16:58Speaker 3: injuries that they're dealing with. We're gonna see Tanner Scott tonight,
- 17:02Speaker 3: We're gonna see Kirby Yates maybe tomorrow. Their bullpen is
- 17:05Speaker 3: getting healthier, which is great. The rotation is healthy, which
- 17:08Speaker 3: is great. But there's been something missing here the whole year.
- 17:13Speaker 3: And it's understandable when you're coming off a championship one.
- 17:17Speaker 3: You're physically extended because you played deep into October and
- 17:20Speaker 3: it's going to cost you with injuries. We've seen that
- 17:23Speaker 3: with Evan Phillips and others. The other thing is, hey man,
- 17:28Speaker 3: they went so hard to get what they wanted. Once
- 17:31Speaker 3: you get it, not that they don't want to win,
- 17:33Speaker 3: of course they want to win, but it's a different
- 17:35Speaker 3: psychology and we've seen that this year.
- 17:39Speaker 4: All right, real quick. This series is obviously close and
- 17:43Speaker 4: every team is but home field advantage, home field advantage.
- 17:47Speaker 4: I expect a Ken Rosenthal article about why only two
- 17:51Speaker 4: teams are are above five hundred by more than two games.
- 17:56Speaker 4: It's the Brewers and the Tigers. I think the Tigers
- 17:59Speaker 4: are five games up at on the road and the
- 18:02Speaker 4: Brewers are eight games up on the road for their
- 18:05Speaker 4: road records. These two teams are playing. Home field advantage
- 18:09Speaker 4: seems like it's going to be the deciding factor for
- 18:14Speaker 4: the playoffs. So whoever gets that is going to win.
- 18:17Speaker 6: Right to write that article just yet, Eric, not a
- 18:22Speaker 6: bad idea, Always welcome for any ideas that come my way,
- 18:26Speaker 6: or grateful I should say home field with Peco.
- 18:30Speaker 3: Park, Yeah, that's meaningful because that place is electric and
- 18:34Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium. Certainly last weekend they like beating the Padres,
- 18:37Speaker 3: the Dodger fans do, and they got their wish. I
- 18:40Speaker 3: do expect Peco to be really alive this weekend because again,
- 18:45Speaker 3: it's this whole little brother thing that they don't like
- 18:47Speaker 3: hearing about, and I understand that, but they want to
- 18:51Speaker 3: beat La. It's the whole thing, and last year just
- 18:54Speaker 3: amplified it because they had them, They had them to
- 18:57Speaker 3: one of the division series at home the Dodgers on
- 19:00Speaker 3: a bullpen game, and they couldn't close it out. So
- 19:03Speaker 3: here they are. They've reinforced themselves in the deadline. They've
- 19:06Speaker 3: got their course still intact with Machado and Tatas and
- 19:09Speaker 3: everyone else. I expect it to be really electric and
- 19:14Speaker 3: really kind of an unusually fired up atmosphere, even for
- 19:19Speaker 3: Petco this weekend.
- 19:21Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely get to feel probably like a playoff atmosphere.
- 19:24Speaker 1: Ken thanks for joining us.
- 19:26Speaker 2: As always, check out Fair Territory Mondays and Thursdays