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Issue 383: Galactic (Medical) Governance · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: our topical conversation today, because I've had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: ins and outs, some doctor's appointments lately, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: family and stuff like that, and so really what I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking about is sort of the logistics. We love to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the logistics of things, like we keep it
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  Speaker 1: light hearted in everything, but there is sort of like
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  Speaker 1: a little itch to scratch on this one. The logistics
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  Speaker 1: of any sort of healthcare system within the Star Wars galaxy,
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  Speaker 1: all of the multitude of species, all the multitude of cultures,
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  Speaker 1: all the multitude of religious beliefs that might prevent you know,
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  Speaker 1: certain procedures or stuff like that, and just sort of
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  Speaker 1: navigating that. So the first first part of the question,
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  Speaker 1: just to get the conversation going, is in the republic
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  Speaker 1: or the empire? I know that a topic that likes
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  Speaker 1: to come up is sort of like this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: universal health insurance sort of thing. Just kicking it off.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think in a republic or empire situation that
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  Speaker 1: there would be any logistical way to truly have like
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  Speaker 1: galactic universal coverage for people like that would just not
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  Speaker 1: be a possibility, would it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think the idea of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: universal coverage given by the empire itself, not that the
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  Speaker 3: empire would care or the Republic would care, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think in that sense, the idea of whether or
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  Speaker 3: not there would be something like a health insurance system
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  Speaker 3: is definitely very interesting, and I think in some ways
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it would be universal, but I do
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  Speaker 3: think that you could definitely pinpoint planets where you could
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  Speaker 3: see them having a universal coverage for their planet, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I got the sense of when we went
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  Speaker 3: to alder On in Kenobi series that that's the type
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  Speaker 3: of planet where that kind of thing would be an
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  Speaker 3: afterthought for them in the sense of like, oh, of
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  Speaker 3: course we have this. You know, dats Ween, you're on
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  Speaker 3: your own. If you can find a monitor or somebody
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  Speaker 3: to bring you back to life. You're paying a lot
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  Speaker 3: of credits for that, as we saw, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the Book of Boafet series, and so you know it
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  Speaker 3: Like when I was you brought up this question, I
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  Speaker 3: was just thinking about all the different ways in which
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  Speaker 3: we've seen different medical systems, right you know, I mean you
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  Speaker 3: think all the way back to the return of the
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  Speaker 3: our Empire strikes Back when Luke gets his new hand,
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  Speaker 3: right U. And so the type of technology that we've
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  Speaker 3: seen where you know, people can be brought back or
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  Speaker 3: save from from very life threatening things, is absolutely a
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  Speaker 3: possibility in the Star Wars universe. The interesting thing that
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  Speaker 3: I do think is a great question is like who
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  Speaker 3: pays for it? And and how would insurance kind of
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  Speaker 3: work on this kind of galactic scale.
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  Speaker 1: See, I think you wind up unlocking part of the
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  Speaker 1: answer right there because you cite Empire strikes Back, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's a two to one B medical droid, and there's
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  Speaker 1: an FX seven medical droid there too. It was one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite figures growing up as a kid in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties because it had a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: arms that could come out from the size. It was
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  Speaker 1: really neat. But with two to one B and FX
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  Speaker 1: seven and other droids that are out there in the mix,
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  Speaker 1: you actually wind up removing the need for paying anybody
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  Speaker 1: to perform the medical work. It's an upgrade. It's a
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  Speaker 1: you know, downloading knowledge or just having a big computer
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  Speaker 1: that the thing can plug into and say, okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is what I need to do. Because then it's maintaining
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  Speaker 1: the machines, and that I would argue as a lower
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  Speaker 1: base cost. You know, buying the materials and the machines
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  Speaker 1: and keeping things updated is a much lower operational cost
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  Speaker 1: than having people and staff and admins. You don't even
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  Speaker 1: need the layer of you know, administrative bureaucracy for those
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  Speaker 1: sorts of things. But you also hit on the martyrs.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what I would ask you is do
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  Speaker 1: you think therefore that there would be sort of a
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  Speaker 1: sort of like a classism within the Star Wars galaxy.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there's a hint at this sort of
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  Speaker 1: thing where we might view as we enter our cyborg
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  Speaker 1: era here on Earth as humans. Oh, getting the artificial
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  Speaker 1: hip or the knee, or the enhanced you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the enhanced vision or something like that. That's a I'm
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  Speaker 1: paying a premium for that, because.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, John, let's not lie. You're just
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  Speaker 3: all talking. We're talking about your butt lift right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I thought we had agreed not to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that, Matt, And you know, especially because we know
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  Speaker 1: that I'm entering a very sensitive phase of my own
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  Speaker 1: career and why I got that. But well, we'll table
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  Speaker 1: that one. That's for Jedi after Dark, a new series.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be coming here on the Nerd Party. But like,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that there would be sort of like
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  Speaker 1: a snobbishness where somebody who had modding, who had the
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  Speaker 1: artificial hand, who had the cyborg implant would actually be
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  Speaker 1: looked down on in Star Wars because keeping you one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent organic would be viewed as the luxury item.
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  Speaker 1: That would be the part of you that you could
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  Speaker 1: afford to have the new hand cloned, you could afford
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  Speaker 1: to have the bone regrown or something like that. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that we then see that sort of separation
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  Speaker 1: within a medical system or yeah, you know, a planet.
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  Speaker 1: The planet at least it's.
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  Speaker 3: A great question because you know, you were talking about
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  Speaker 3: the idea of a modding or you know, possibly getting
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  Speaker 3: you know, a mechanical hand, you know, like Luke, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously we saw the idea of the mechanical hand to
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  Speaker 3: grow from where it was in the prequel era to
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  Speaker 3: where we get to by the time Luke gets one
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  Speaker 3: where you know, you really can't even tell that he
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  Speaker 3: has a mechanical hand, right, and so, but then you
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  Speaker 3: think about that idea. Okay, well, you know we had
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  Speaker 3: cloning technology and that kind of thing. It seems lausible
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  Speaker 3: then that we could maybe clone ourselves or at least
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  Speaker 3: grow other body parts if needed, you know, if you
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  Speaker 3: could pay the right amount of credits, right, and so, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I do think there might be some sort of classism
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  Speaker 3: that might arise there. But you know, it was interesting.
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  Speaker 3: We don't talk about the Book of Both at much
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  Speaker 3: on the show, and partially is because it's that show
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  Speaker 3: and it's quality. But one of the interesting things in
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  Speaker 3: there is that those models were very proud of what
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  Speaker 3: they had done to themselves, like that this is something
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  Speaker 3: they sought out right, They desired these things and I
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  Speaker 3: think making the joke like you did about the era
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  Speaker 3: we're kind of entering in as a society as we
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  Speaker 3: live now, where you know, more and more people are
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  Speaker 3: willing to augment themselves in different ways to get the
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  Speaker 3: desired outcome. That's very similar in that way, right, and so,
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  Speaker 3: but I think you know the question of of medical
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  Speaker 3: care and whether or not you would be able to have,
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  Speaker 3: you know, something like an insurance pay for those type
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  Speaker 3: of things, I don't think would be the case. Again,
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  Speaker 3: that's one of those things where you I think you'd
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  Speaker 3: be paying out the nose for with the amount of credits.
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  Speaker 3: You brought up the idea though too, because as I'd
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  Speaker 3: been thinking about this, you know, I was thinking about
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  Speaker 3: that Clone Wars, the Clone Wars movie right where they
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're they're in the ship, they're flying away
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  Speaker 3: from teth In and Rotea is sick and who we
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  Speaker 3: just found out is going to be in Grogu and
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  Speaker 3: the Mandalorian House. Was that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm honestly thrilled about that. That is the coolest thing
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  Speaker 1: because everybody, as they shared those headlines, seems to have
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  Speaker 1: forgotten that Rada will have a since we saw Clone,
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  Speaker 1: so he's going to be a full.
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  Speaker 3: Sized hut, y'all seriously, and but what what is? What
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  Speaker 3: is Ahsoka do? She finds a holographic uh doctor droid
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  Speaker 3: on this ship, which makes sense that ships will be
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  Speaker 3: installed with this kind of thing so they could diagnose patients.
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  Speaker 3: And then of course there seems to be some sort
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  Speaker 3: of almost like matter replicator or something that it creates
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  Speaker 3: the medicine that is needed, you know, And so that's
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  Speaker 3: a possibility. Now maybe not necessarily like that, but maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's something to which when you load the medical droid hologram,
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  Speaker 3: it also loads with a synthesizer of you know, base
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  Speaker 3: medications for something, you know, so you can create those kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of basically like a basically like a compounding pharmacy that's
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  Speaker 1: just inside the ship. It's like it, you know, forgive
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  Speaker 1: me for saying this, but it's like a coke freestyle
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  Speaker 1: machine for medications.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, what combination of antibiotic and analgesic and
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  Speaker 1: anti inflammatory do I need in order for this medication
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  Speaker 1: to work? And it has enough of the base materials
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  Speaker 1: in it that you can punch in the things and
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  Speaker 1: it just mixes it for you the way you would
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  Speaker 1: go to a compounding pharmacy and ask for you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I need this medication, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to buy the name brand. I need you to put
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  Speaker 1: this medication together for me out of the compounds. They
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  Speaker 1: can do that. Now. We have people that can do
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  Speaker 1: that now, and so yeah, that's it. I'd forgotten about
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  Speaker 1: that aspect of it, about it being sort of like
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  Speaker 1: just something that ships come equipped with is even if
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a real droid, you have a holographic
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  Speaker 1: droid and then those base materials on there, because that
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  Speaker 1: would be I think you've hit on something there. I
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  Speaker 1: forgot about that that would be sort of a necessity
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Now obviously Han doesn't have one,
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  Speaker 1: so that becomes an add on that you need.
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  Speaker 3: The interesting thing think about this though, you know when
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  Speaker 3: Luke has his hand cut off, right, there is the
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  Speaker 3: stabilization unit that is on his hand, so she the
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  Speaker 3: Falcon does have some sort of medical equipment there. It's
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  Speaker 3: just not as sophisticated as what we saw in the
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  Speaker 3: Twilight there in the Clone Wars movie, which also makes
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  Speaker 3: sense even though that was an old ship. It's in
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  Speaker 3: the Republic era and I you know, the Republic era
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  Speaker 3: was much more known for having better ships, you know more,
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  Speaker 3: even even older ships seem to be more up to
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  Speaker 3: date with with those kind of things. One of the
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  Speaker 3: things you mentioned, though, and this is a fascinating question
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  Speaker 3: I think comes up it seems to me, is that
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  Speaker 3: droid care would be kind of the standard for your
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  Speaker 3: basic Like, if you're going to you know, the urgent care,
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  Speaker 3: you get a droid, right, But if you go to
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  Speaker 3: the really fancy plants again like Aldron, you know before
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  Speaker 3: it experienced a bad Tuesday, that that you would have
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  Speaker 3: an actual being, and so that that would be The
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  Speaker 3: other difference in here is that if you were on
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  Speaker 3: a planet that that had actual medical professionals that were
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  Speaker 3: organic and not just a droid, I mean that they
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  Speaker 3: and and and again, you may have droids that just
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  Speaker 3: did routine things, but that the more that you you needed,
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  Speaker 3: or the if you're willing to pay more, you could
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  Speaker 3: be uh, you know, cared for by an actual organic being.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and this is where Okay, I'm not meaning to
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  Speaker 1: get controversial in any sense, but I'm saying, even if
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  Speaker 1: we want to go in and we want to key
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  Speaker 1: off of one single line of dialogue about Alderan. In
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  Speaker 1: the original Star Wars, there is a she says, Alduron
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  Speaker 1: is peaceful. We have no weapons, so Aldron's economy doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take building a giant war machine into account. So I
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  Speaker 1: would argue it would make sense for Alduran to have
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  Speaker 1: the resources necessary for there to be universal medical care
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  Speaker 1: because they don't have a military. But the problem is,
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  Speaker 1: the Empire probably doesn't have any sort of like good
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  Speaker 1: medical care because they are spending everything on a military.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know, if you have a certain number of funds,
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  Speaker 1: certain type of resources. The Empire's obviously pushed all chips
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  Speaker 1: in on the military side, so they I would argue
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  Speaker 1: the Empire might have found itself just in a funding
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  Speaker 1: deficit where only the really well connected or the really
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  Speaker 1: wealthy planets have decent medical care, and so you would
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  Speaker 1: get just the most baseline stuff in the Empire.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you think it's like know, as you
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  Speaker 3: were talking about in it, uh and or in that way.
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  Speaker 3: It was also making me think about the idea of
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  Speaker 3: you know, Naboo is probably a planet like that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, but you know, uh, this tangent but
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, I don't know if money really
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  Speaker 3: means anything in the empire when there's an emperor who
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  Speaker 3: you know is strip mining planets and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing whatever he wants, and so therefore the economy of
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  Speaker 3: the empire is probably a little skewed just because of
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  Speaker 3: that whole idea. But that's that's a whole suspect for
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  Speaker 3: maybe another that is podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think we do need to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the economic policies of the policy the empire. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean because eventually, because eventually, when you look at
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  Speaker 1: an evil empire sort of thing, yes, you have sort
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  Speaker 1: of what what caused the Soviet Union to fall was
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  Speaker 1: they overs out of my brain. It's the same thing
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  Speaker 1: that caused the Klingons to collapse, right over too many
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  Speaker 1: resources put in the military. Oh my gosh. Oh wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, so the empire was going to fall at anyway.
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  Speaker 3: It was just a matter of time, argue Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, okay, let's keep going down the tangent.
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  Speaker 1: Why not. It's our show. We can do what we
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  Speaker 1: want to do. But the thing is, the emperor didn't
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  Speaker 1: care about the empire as a concept. He cared about him, right,
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  Speaker 1: and if the empire fell, well, he had a secret
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  Speaker 1: planet full of people making star destroyers for him anyway
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  Speaker 1: at no cost a parent.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, okay, think of exit. You know, you
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  Speaker 3: could take this all the way to our conversations we've
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  Speaker 3: had about Mount Tantis.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine the cost to create that facility and
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  Speaker 3: the Emperor is doing that all under the rug. You know,
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  Speaker 3: these are all secret, hidden projects that are getting put
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  Speaker 3: into big pork barrels spending for the Empire. Right, nobody
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  Speaker 3: knows this is happening and where the money's coming from.
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  Speaker 3: And this is what makes got to come back to it.
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  Speaker 3: This is what makes the Darth Plagis book so fascinating
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  Speaker 3: because we learn where Plagis is now left all of
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  Speaker 3: these resources to Palpatine to be able to use on
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  Speaker 3: the side that he doesn't even have to let the
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  Speaker 3: Empire and the Imperial Senate know about in the first place. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, just this is why again we
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  Speaker 3: need that to be a series.
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  Speaker 1: And to bring it back to the whole medical thing.
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  Speaker 1: You have doctor Hemlock, and Hemlock, I would argue, isn't
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  Speaker 1: even getting paid for what he's doing. He just enjoys
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  Speaker 1: it so much that he doesn't care exactly just feed
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  Speaker 1: him and give him a place to sleep, and he
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  Speaker 1: will torture things for fun. Yes, man, I want you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make a plea right here on the airwaves.
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  Speaker 1: I need somebody to write a book, have an animated series,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: have anything that brings in some early story for Hemlock.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta know more about this guy. I love that
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  Speaker 1: character so much. That and the thing is, the evil
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  Speaker 1: doctor is the only type of doctor in the Empire,
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  Speaker 1: I would argue. But even while we're just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like bringing it to a close, right we talk about like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you'd have human doctors doing this and robot
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  Speaker 1: doctors doing that. But then that slots right into the
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  Speaker 1: Emperor and the Empire, because what is the one thing
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  Speaker 1: you can guarantee from a droid that's given limited programming
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  Speaker 1: is silence. You can do whatever you want to somebody
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  Speaker 1: or with somebody, and you never have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: the droid doctor saying nothing to nobody. Well especially that
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  Speaker 1: would be yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Since we have learned droid rules from Skeleton Crew, where
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  Speaker 3: if you command a droid and you're their owner to
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  Speaker 3: tell a lie, they will tell a lie.
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  Speaker 1: So which doesn't that violate Asimov's some law of robotics.
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  Speaker 3: Or something like that. Yeah, I mean that process.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, I consider that more realistic because
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  Speaker 1: I think that because the thing is everybody forgets Asimov's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: law of robotics. Is like he was actually giving a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: prescriptive bit of advice to everybody to be like, if
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: you don't put these rules in, that's going to be
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: an issue. And I would agree with with with mister
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Asimov about that one. So the thing is, this is
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: another one of those topics where it's so huge and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it's so fascinating and I think we've we've just like
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: peeled the surface on this, but I don't think there's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: any way we can get to all of it in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like a single episode. So, like, what I want to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: ask to sort of like close this part one of
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the discussion. I'll come back to it at some point
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in the future after we do a little more. What
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: do you think would be core reading or viewing in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the Star Wars? Like, is there anything where you would
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, for this they used to say
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: at the end of after school specials to learn more
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: about something, go to your local library. Where would you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: point somebody for like reading about giving some more insight
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: on where you're coming from with this sort of medical discussion.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Interesting, there's the EU books MedStar where Barris Offei was
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: a Jedi healer. Of course, we actually see Jedi healer
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in voices from the Clone Wars. We also see you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: clone medical technology throughout the series with the kemon Owans,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: as well as the Republic hospital base. You know, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I think we even talked about it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It's right there.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: And Empire strikes back as well episode three with the
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: birth of Darth Vader, you know, even the birth of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the twins well and beginning his head hand chopped off
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: in the second film, but.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: We never see that one get attached exactly, like Luke.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: We don't see it get attached exactly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I do think it's interesting because this
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: is kind of all over the Star Wars universe and
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: it does seem to be maybe closing out. One of
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the things I would I would notice is that because
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of droid technology, healthcare seems to be a thing that
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: which nobody really thinks about because they just have droids
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: at the baseline who basically are programmed to be able
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: to do this with the knowledge of you know, actual
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: human or actual beings who have been doctors, who have
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: then then programmed with all of the medical knowledge that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: they need by you know, downloading it into their brains
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: with books and stuff and so which I think then,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: like you were saying earlier, it makes the cost of
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: medicine and much lower in that sense, or at least
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: of going to see a droid doctor, because the only
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: cost then is downloading the information. And that's where you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: it seems like planets could then afford to they would
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: have actual being doctors, but those being doctors are also
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: there to learn and to advance the science so that
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they could write the material that goes into the droid programming,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: so that you know, the rest of the populace, you
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: don't have to have as many doctors.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Then well, I mean, as you yes, but you touching
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: on that. Just to close it out, you would need
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to make sure you still have sentient organic doctors working
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: because as people are finally recognizing with all of the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: open AI stuff, there is a data plateau you hit
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: if you don't have enough fresh new thought being pumped
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: into it right exactly, once the machine can only reference itself,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it degrades you know, it's sort of it's almost an
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: entropy effect, yes, but at the very least you hit
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: a data plateau and innovation ceases. And that's the danger
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of any system where you don't have constantly new and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: innovative thinking. That's the whole reason that you get clones
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in the first place. Clones can think creatively. Droids cannot
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: DROI can only think within a certain you know, parameter.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: The last thing that anybody wants is generative healthcare, generative
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: AI healthcare, because well, you know, I think.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You're going to get it either way. But you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what people can get from you online is further insights
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: on the healthcare of the Star Wars galaxy. So where
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: can they find you out there, Matt.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Well, you can find me all over or social media
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: under the name Matt Rushing zero two. Here in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: network you'll find me doing owl Post with Drea Kaufman,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: which is a completed show about every single chapter of
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the Harry Potter series. And then I'm over on the
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: TFM network you'll find me doing The six oh two Club,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: which is a show about all of the fandoms that
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: we love, not just one. Of course, John is a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: frequent guest over there and a lot of star Trek
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: talk I do on other podcasts. But John, if people
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: want to see what you are doing as you ramp
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: up to our celebration of Life Day, where can people
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: find you?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, gosh, you can find me with all of my
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: specific movies that I love to watch as I get
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: ready for Life Day out there on social media as
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Kessel Junkie. And you can also.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: John, put the helmet away for the last time. Put
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the helmet away.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: No, it's it is a life Day tradition, and I'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: be good and gosh darned and in the cold ground
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: before you get rid of my Life Day traditions, my friend. Okay,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I'm enough of this. Enough of this. The helmet stays.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You can also find me on a show right here
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: on the network called house Lights where we talk about
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: movies and we don't use helmets, but maybe in some
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: point in the future we will. But Jedi Master Rushing,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I think that this is all this talk of healthcare is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe want to go back and check my Jedi deductible.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So I think it's time to close these negotiations, John negotiations.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.