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Little league star on bike shot dead on way to convenience store; Who killed Chuckie Mauk? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one. Two thirty years ago,
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  Speaker 1: Killer Rock the Warner Robins community after a thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old boy was murdered. Mark's life ends at just thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: but his case unsolved. He'd write his bike to a
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  Speaker 1: nearby convenience store all the time to buy candy. Someone
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  Speaker 1: heard a loud Paul When did they say they saw
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  Speaker 1: him talking to someone in a light colored collusually a
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  Speaker 1: vehicle speeding away? But who would shoot a thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old boy who killed? Check him off? There is still
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  Speaker 1: no suspect. There are people in this community that when
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  Speaker 1: this community at that time, the mode what happens to
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  Speaker 1: him all there was a knock at the door, and
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  Speaker 1: then nothing was ever the same. There was a knock
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  Speaker 1: at the door, and then nothing was ever the same.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us today. I am
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  Speaker 1: trying again well with everything I know to use and
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  Speaker 1: do to solve a cold case, A cold case that
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  Speaker 1: means a great deal to me personally. Chucky Mark a
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  Speaker 1: little boy, a beautiful little boy. I always think of
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  Speaker 1: Chucky and his little League, his little League outfit. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say that, I think of him with the
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  Speaker 1: hat on and the golden brown hair coming out from
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  Speaker 1: under it, and the little jersey, so proud, so proud
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  Speaker 1: in that picture. I mean you just a handsome little
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  Speaker 1: boy too. And it always it gets blurred every time
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  Speaker 1: I think about Chucky, blur in my son John David,
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  Speaker 1: and I think about him and his soccer, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for him when he stands there for the picture and
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  Speaker 1: when he gets a trophy or those horrible little metals
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  Speaker 1: they hand out instead of trophies now and I have
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  Speaker 1: to think about the happiest years of my life because
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  Speaker 1: of him and Lucy, and then Chucky comes back into
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  Speaker 1: my mind's eye. You hear some money in the background.
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  Speaker 1: That's Chucky's mom. It's Cathy Miller. Kathy, I almost stopped
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  Speaker 1: the call calling you to join me today because you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes for me, anyway, it's easier for me to get
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  Speaker 1: through the day without thinking about violent crime, without thinking
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  Speaker 1: about the moment Keith was murdered, not wondering what was
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  Speaker 1: the last thing he saw? Did he think about me?
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  Speaker 1: Why wasn't I there? Did he saw? For it? Was
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  Speaker 1: he knocked out immediately? Well? What happened? What did he
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  Speaker 1: go through? Why did this happen? It's just easier to
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  Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, have a cup of tea,
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  Speaker 1: and get busy, because you know, I don't understand that, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that feeling. Why is that? I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, you I wish I could go a day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pretending that it it didn't happen. But I
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  Speaker 1: live with this empty hole in my heart every day,
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  Speaker 1: and to not talk about it is just to not
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  Speaker 1: to be who I am because I live with that
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  Speaker 1: every day. I live with it every day that he's
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  Speaker 1: gone that I don't. I think the same thing as you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, why wasn't I there? Was he scared? Did
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  Speaker 1: he need me? And I'm his mother and I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: protect him? You know, you watch your children all their lives,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to try to keep them safe, and just
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  Speaker 1: a moment in time he left me and I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I don't pretend it didn't happen. I just um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it because it's so painful.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's so painful. You just don't want that
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  Speaker 1: pain to kind of enter your day or to start
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  Speaker 1: your day. But it's there, you know, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: we do to think that it wasn't it, it's there.
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  Speaker 1: It's always underlining it. You know. It's that current, that
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  Speaker 1: low current in our lives. You know. Another thing that
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  Speaker 1: I really I don't hate it that much, but I
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  Speaker 1: do hate is that people act like if you're connected
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  Speaker 1: to a murder, if somebody in your family or your
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  Speaker 1: friend was murdered, then you're somehow I don't know, let's see,
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  Speaker 1: how can I put it? Look at you different, You're
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  Speaker 1: kind of trashy person. You're like, I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: people don't get happens to every everybody. I think they do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no one's ever understood that about that, that
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  Speaker 1: people look at you different, they will treat you different.
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  Speaker 1: A sin as say, you say your child was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, I guess I can know what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing. You know, if he becomes a victim
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  Speaker 1: again and he didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, just let's
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  Speaker 1: put it out there. At the very beginning, chuck him
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  Speaker 1: off was a little boy. He asked his mom if
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  Speaker 1: he could you know what, why am I telling it?
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  Speaker 1: I've got his mother with me, Kathy, Kathy Miller is
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  Speaker 1: joining me, who I now consider to be a friend,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to get into how I met Kathy,
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  Speaker 1: which is the craziest thing. How we ever got connected
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  Speaker 1: is fortuitous. It was meant to be. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to go back to that day, the day eight pm,
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  Speaker 1: to just start with that day, Kathy. Okay, it was
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Day and um Chucky would always go to this
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  Speaker 1: little market, a little grocery store just around the corner
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  Speaker 1: from our house and buy candy for school the next day.
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  Speaker 1: And he asked me if he could go. He was
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  Speaker 1: just going to be gone a second, and he went
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  Speaker 1: to the store to buy candy. Around the corner. It's
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  Speaker 1: literally around the corner, around the corner. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like not even as a blot, baby, And
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  Speaker 1: as the crow flies, it's probably not even a blot,
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  Speaker 1: because this is how it is. Okay, there's the street,
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  Speaker 1: there's a more of a main thoroughfare where the closer
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  Speaker 1: to where the story is. Then you pull off and
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  Speaker 1: you go into a residential suburb and it's tree line
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  Speaker 1: and it's nice and there's no crime there. It's just
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  Speaker 1: a regular American suburban neighborhood. You would. It's pretty. People
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  Speaker 1: are right to a little ball and alley. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: around the corner. It's just like a little dream of
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  Speaker 1: what America suburban life would be. And what he would
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  Speaker 1: do is get on his bike and cut through the
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and go up to the main street, which was
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  Speaker 1: not like some busy eight line. It just happened to
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  Speaker 1: be where a little convenience store thing was. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people don't get it in that part of the country.
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  Speaker 1: I remember we were little. Oh my mother would have
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  Speaker 1: had a heart attack because for us to go get
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  Speaker 1: gum or candy. We would have to get on our
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  Speaker 1: bikes and ride our bikes for like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: five minutes through woods and dirt roads, and then we'd
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  Speaker 1: come up behind what was called the Pep station and
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  Speaker 1: all we could get in there was like gum or
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  Speaker 1: a couple of and then we'll get on our bikes
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  Speaker 1: and drive all the way back home. You know, really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just a small little country, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a little southern town, and that's just what the kids do.
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  Speaker 1: So that night, where were you at home? Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: just finished supper and the knock came on the you know,
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  Speaker 1: to my door. But when they left, when he left,
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  Speaker 1: you were washing the dishes and you had your back turned.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? I just, you know, I didn't even look
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  Speaker 1: at him, because it wasn't unusual for Chucky was always
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  Speaker 1: in and out the house, you know, with all the kids.
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  Speaker 1: And he just said, Mom, gonna run to the store
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  Speaker 1: and get some candy for school. And I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: come back, you know, don't be gone long. And he
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  Speaker 1: said I won't, and you know, out the door in
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  Speaker 1: two seconds. And I didn't look at him before he left.
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  Speaker 1: He just was out the door. You know that you
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  Speaker 1: remember that funny odd because I remember the last time
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  Speaker 1: I saw Keith and he his family lived in Athens
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  Speaker 1: and he was working over the summer and he would
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  Speaker 1: come down to visit me and my family and make
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  Speaker 1: him and he had come for the weekend and stayed
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  Speaker 1: the weekend and set Sunday night. Oh, I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: him to go back, and so he said, okay, I'll stay.
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  Speaker 1: So he stayed Sunday night. And one got up super
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  Speaker 1: early Monday morning to drive I guess like two hours back.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember standing outside. It was chilly because it
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  Speaker 1: was so early in the morning, and he went down
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  Speaker 1: the driveway, turned right and drove off to the horn
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  Speaker 1: and stuck his hand up, his arm above the window
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  Speaker 1: to wave over the And I remember that moment like
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  Speaker 1: right now, like it just happened yesterday. It's funny how
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  Speaker 1: that works that you remember this. It's just as clear.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so clear. And you know how many times
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  Speaker 1: do we play that in your mind? You know? And
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking as he went out, aside, um, there's
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  Speaker 1: a superstition that says, don't watch the person until they're
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  Speaker 1: out of sight because it's bad luck. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: just before his car went out of side. I kept waving,
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  Speaker 1: but I closed my eyes because I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: wash any bad luck. Okay, I remember that yesterday, So
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  Speaker 1: you go, sure, go. Okay, then what happened? So you're
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  Speaker 1: washing dishes. I'm washing dishes and then there's a knock
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  Speaker 1: at the door and I go to answer it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's one of his little friends that lives down the street,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, I have see Chucky and I looks
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  Speaker 1: like he's fallen off his bike and hurt himself, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, oh, no, he's you know, he's broke
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  Speaker 1: his arm, he's broke his leg. So me and my
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  Speaker 1: husband and we grabbed our other child, Greg, who's like
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  Speaker 1: in the first second grade at that time, and we
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  Speaker 1: just run down, you know, to see Chucky. And as
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  Speaker 1: we're running, I see that it is so much more
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  Speaker 1: than that, you know, and it's just then it's just
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  Speaker 1: like slow motion. It's I don't like my feet are
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  Speaker 1: made of let and I just can't get there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just it's just I can't hardly explain how I
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  Speaker 1: was feeling. I just knew, I knew. And then that's
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  Speaker 1: when we find him and he's laying there and they
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  Speaker 1: think at first that he is a hit and run
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  Speaker 1: and um they roll him over and the bullet went
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  Speaker 1: through the back of his neck and came out his face,
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  Speaker 1: and he's dead. And that was the moment that I
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  Speaker 1: kind of went away and everything changed my whole life.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the last time I saw it. Dear you
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  Speaker 1: say that moment when you thought he had fallen off
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  Speaker 1: his bike, you know, I thought I would find him
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  Speaker 1: sit there, you know, just with his arm or his
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  Speaker 1: leg broke, you know, and I'm thinking, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: that's the worst thing. And it's so not even that
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  Speaker 1: when you saw him, What did you see exactly? You know,
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  Speaker 1: my mind sort of won't let me think about what
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  Speaker 1: I saw. I know that sounds crazy, but it it
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  Speaker 1: just I get there and it kind of flashes away.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw so much blood because his blonde hair
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  Speaker 1: was all read from from the blood, and everyone. My
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  Speaker 1: husband grabbed me and kind of took me to dispense
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  Speaker 1: or I wouldn't see anything. And the police were there
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  Speaker 1: by that time, and they didn't want me near anything
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  Speaker 1: to this um disturbed the scene. And by that then
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  Speaker 1: there's just this huge crowd and I'm just like hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hysterical, and they're trying to get people to
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  Speaker 1: calm me down. And um, it's just something like you
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  Speaker 1: see in the movies. It's just like you see in
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  Speaker 1: the movies. I'm just hysterical and I can't get to
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  Speaker 1: him and I can't help him. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: just when you said, you that moment, you rarely think
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  Speaker 1: of it. M hm. I remember that when I went
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  Speaker 1: to Keith's funeral, I just couldn't stay in the thought
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  Speaker 1: of seeing him in the casket and I want to
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  Speaker 1: and the overwhelming smell of carnations, which to this day
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  Speaker 1: makes me sick. I can't stand it. I almost feeling
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  Speaker 1: just talking about it. It's almost like when you smell
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  Speaker 1: lot of gas fumes at the gas station. The thought
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  Speaker 1: smelling those carnations. Oh oh, Flora, oh oh. I never
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  Speaker 1: go with a florist. I can't stand that smell. I
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  Speaker 1: can't either, But neither went in. And I remember I
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  Speaker 1: just instinctively glanced into some kind of anti room. I
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  Speaker 1: glanced off to the right, and I saw his casket
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  Speaker 1: and I saw just above the edge the top of
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  Speaker 1: his profile, and I passed out. I passed out and oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just know, you can't really even remember past that,
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  Speaker 1: he said, all of a sudden, it was we were
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  Speaker 1: out at the we were at the funeral, that's you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I can remember the pastor God help him, poor
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  Speaker 1: thing kept calling me Mary and yeah, I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't really care. It's okay, I get it, but I
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  Speaker 1: just remember that and it was so unreal. And I've
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  Speaker 1: told you this before, off Mike, that for about a
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  Speaker 1: year or two before kise murter, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how long after his murder, I have huge chunks of
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  Speaker 1: time I can't remember. People will come up and go, hey,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember something. I'm like, no, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me what happened. I've done the same
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  Speaker 1: thing that's happened to me too. And when at Chucky's funeral,
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  Speaker 1: my husband and um, they decided, you know, to have
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  Speaker 1: a clothes casket because they didn't want me to. They just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they just couldn't make Chucky look like Chucky
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  Speaker 1: used to and um, so it was closed and we
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  Speaker 1: just had his picture on the on the coffin and
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  Speaker 1: that was it, you know what. Trying to not that
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  Speaker 1: it matters, but trying to figure out what is the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing. Is the worst thing when you find out
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  Speaker 1: the person is gone, or that horrible time after where
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  Speaker 1: you're practically disabled and there's nothing you can do, Like
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  Speaker 1: those days and those nights and those hours that turn
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  Speaker 1: into weeks that turn into months and you're just completely
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  Speaker 1: disabled with pain and there's nothing nobody can help you.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get away from it. You wake up in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and for just about maybe two seconds you
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  Speaker 1: it seems normal, and then you remember and there's no
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  Speaker 1: way around it. No pill, no short no there's no shortcup,
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  Speaker 1: no pit, no medicine, no shrink, no nothing. It's no person,
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  Speaker 1: no words, no person, no nothing. You are engulfed and
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  Speaker 1: wrapped around and cocoons and a pain that is indescribable,
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  Speaker 1: and there's you wake up. You every breath is so hard.
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to die. I just wanted to die.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just imagining you in that heat and you've dragged
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  Speaker 1: your a little child along behind you running and then
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  Speaker 1: everybody is around chucky and you're kind of off to
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  Speaker 1: the side by that fence. What in the world was
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  Speaker 1: happening in your mind? But then there's the funeral, when
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  Speaker 1: when did you realize Chucky was not hit by a car.
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  Speaker 1: Chucky didn't fall off his bike, he didn't hit his head.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody shot him. Somebody shot him and killed your child.
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  Speaker 1: And the broad daylight at close range. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: people were saying, well, maybe a stray bullet. Will know
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a stray bullet. Somebody put a gun to
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  Speaker 1: the back of his head and shot him. And that
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  Speaker 1: is the fact. That is the only thing that truly
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  Speaker 1: I know. And I just, you know, as soon as
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  Speaker 1: we went back to the house after we left the scene,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and all the police and the sheriff, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's just bombarding you with you know, questions,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm I'm just trying to say he
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  Speaker 1: he was shot, you know, I'm just I can't even
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  Speaker 1: go there. It's just I can't go there. It was
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  Speaker 1: just so overwhelming. I can't even hardly put into words
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  Speaker 1: how overwhelmed all of this is at that moment in time.
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  Speaker 1: And then I just like my hands starts shaking, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: then my legs starts shaking, and my whole body shaking,
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  Speaker 1: and then I start going into shock, and so I
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  Speaker 1: have to take me to the emergency room, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just this nightmare of things
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  Speaker 1: that are happening, and so much is happening in that
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  Speaker 1: short period of time, like from eight to midnight with me.
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  Speaker 1: It's just trying to know that he's not coming back,
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  Speaker 1: and somebody killed him. Somebody wanted him dead, and I
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  Speaker 1: can just trying to get this picture in my head.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: At a distance, Cathy sees her son sprawled out on
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the pavement of a convenience store parking lot, bleeding near
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: his mike. They shot him while he's still on his
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: bike or standing beside his bike, and in his liege
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and in his little hand was still a pack of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: bubble gum, a pack of bubble gum. So he had
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: made it into the store, just like he told mommy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He got his little bubble gum and somebody gunned this
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: little boy down. Now what do we know? What have
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you been told, Cathy? What have you learned about a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: potential suspect? What I know is he was seen talking
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: two someone in a light colored car, and that's all
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I know. Had to be a man, okay, so it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a man. Had to you had to be a man.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And there are ages I don't know. Um I thought there,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I thought it was narrowed down to a white male. Well, yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a white male both likely to the driver and a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: passenger is from what I know, um kind of us
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: acne scarred space rough a rough looking you know, dark hair,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: white hair, wasn't it dark hair, light hair? Okay, I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: think right hair was the passenger. I'm not sure about
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the driver. So the guy with light hair, a white
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: male with light colored hair, is he the one that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: had the acne scars? Yes, yes, well somebody had to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: get fairly close to him to know he had acne scars. Yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I mean it lead out at the moment. I'm not
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: sure how they got that and how they got that,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And any any remote idea on a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: making model. No, just like color, you know, is all
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I've Saint Kathy about a potential motive. I've always thought
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: somebody tried to lure him in the car and he
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get in, and they shot him because he never
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: got in anybody's car. No, No, And he wasn't you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: he didn't hang out with any bad kids, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: he was he was like into the sports, and you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he was very well liked, you know, so he never
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: had arguments with anyone that I know of. Kathy, you
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: know what you're doing about you, You know what you're
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: doing right now. You're defending him to me. You are
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: defending him to me like you're telling me he didn't
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: do anything wrong. This wasn't his fault. Hey, you don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: have to do that to me. But as long as
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we're a subject, this boy, this little boy, had never
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: been in a day's trouble in his life. He made
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: good grades. He was the star of the little league game,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the little league team. He practiced all the time. He
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: never missed a game. That was his world, that was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: as it should be, was mommy, his little brother coming home,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: playing little bicycle, his bicycle. Oh, he loved the bicycle.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That was his world. And it's not today. What it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: funny that you say that about defending him and I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: do that, Nancy. It's almost everyone I speak to, and I,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: after all these years, I still do that, is it?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I do that, because you know what,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know what, people I don't know why people wrote this.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And it was out there on the internet that Keith
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was at a liquor store and got gunned down. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: then somebody else wrote that Keith was a cop, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: then somebody else wrote that I made the whole thing
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: up that I don't even know. Uh, I don't even
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: know what all they've written does horrible, horrible things. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: don't even know why. So, you know what, it's maybe
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you're not so far off the mark by feeling like
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you have to be defensive because people will say or think, Now,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, wasn't there some incident you talk? Oh,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: by the way, I recall um people witnesses were questioned
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and it is believed the part was driving a white
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Oldsmobile cutlass or buick. Right, Yes, I forgot that. You're right? Okay,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: remember the mate. Now let me ask you this. What
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: could tell me about the incident where a woman walked
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: up to you? What you trying on clothes? Or weren't
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you in a store and made comments to you about
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Chucky's death? Oh it was I worked in? Yes, yes, yes,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know? Okay, okay, I you know what? You know what?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I just can gotten crossed in my head. Someone who
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: came up to Sharon Roacha, who is Lacy Lacy Peterson's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: mom at some she was trying to get an outfit,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and someone came up to her the store and started
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: asking her all these questions about Lacey's death. And you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: people don't get it. I mean, when you can be
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: having a perfectly fine day and suddenly somebody asked you
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: about the murder, and it's like getting cold water thrown
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: on your face, and it can just throw me into
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a depression. It takes me days to get out of it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I can't afford to do that anymore. With having two children,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they don't need to depressed mommy. They need a mommy
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: who was upbeat and ready to roll with them, not somebody,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know, disabled with So that's what got in my head.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Now what happened? This was you weren't at a doctor's office.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What happened? And um, the doctor sent me a patient.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I would pre up patients for surgery, kind of go
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: over everything with them. And she saw Chucky's picture on
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: my desk, and you know, she said, oh, are you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: check his mother? And I went yes, and you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she kind of looked at his picture and she knew
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the history that he was murdered, and she told me,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: she says, you know, sometimes when parents don't take care
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of their children. God calls them home. Well, she hit
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: something so deep inside of me that I had felt,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like I wasn't a good mother. I let
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: him go, I gave him permission to go, you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and it just resignated to me. I just had a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: step out of the room. I went to my doctor
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and I was hysterical. It I was just there. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: was hysterical, hysterical. Okay, you are just making me tell
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: my story more than your story. But I have to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: tell you what happened. Okay. So this is years after
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Keith Smarter. Okay, I was living this what happened? Okay.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So I finished underground and went to law school, got
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: my law degree, started prosecuting um. After ten years, my
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: elected d A retired and I had originally turned down
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: an offered to go to court TV in New York.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I called him back and went, hey, I have a job.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Here I go. I'm on my way. And I had
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: come home for a weekend to Atlanta, and still at
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: this time, even after all these years, I would hardly
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: ever go out. I just the sight and the sounds
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of everybody having a good time, I don't know, just
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way after case murder. It just
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: didn't seem right to me. I know that's abnormal, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: just the way it was is. And so my now husband, uh,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and my girlfriend, who was defense is a defense lawyer
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in town um Renee. The three of us went out
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: after my show at night to go get dinner. It
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was late. It's like nine thirty or ten o'clock at night,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: exase that's what time I would get off work. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: we went to this hole in the wall that had
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Cajun food and I'm sitting there and I the blue.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: This has gotta be twenty fifteen years later, some guy
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: walked up to me and said, I was one of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: case good friends, and I can't believe you're out with
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a guy having a good time. I mean, right now, Cathy,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: if you're in the studio with me, and my mouth
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: is fellow, but I'm like, I didn't even know what
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to say. Did you feel like you've just been hit?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And yes, I feel it right now, I feel like
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you and to my to save my neck. Well, of course,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: it thrown me into a depression, which resignated like that's true.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: He's right, and you know, lived alone in New York
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and I would come home from work at night and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: just sit there in this quiet apartment and just it
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was like a palpable, tangible presence in the room, that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: overwhelming grief. And I don't know the guy's name. If
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: he bit me in the neck right now, I wouldn't
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: know him. But I remember that moment, and it was awful, awful.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with people? I don't I don't know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, but it puts it takes
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you back. I mean, what do you say to the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: wary that you've done. I couldn't say. I just I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: didn't either. I didn't say anything. Nobody believes it. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: just was so I know me too. They said, why
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: didn't you? I said I. I was punched in this.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I couldn't speak because she hit something way deep down
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: inside of me that I believe too, you know. And
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I was crushed. I was crushed in it. A little
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: bit of recovery I had made put me way back,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and like I was starting all over again.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And it was so hurtful. But people say hurtful things
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to you. But you were a bad mother because you
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: get some bubble gum, you know, tonight time, and you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: let him go, okay, so the other day, but see
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: what people don't get in the summertime in the south,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: seven thirty eight o'clock it's just like noon outside. Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't something new that he did, you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't you know? The other day, Kathy, I was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and where was? I was? In cost Code okay, because
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the children like a particular type a fish filet okay.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So I went in there trying not to get the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: free samples because they're really anyway, So I go straight
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and I left them in the car with my mother, okay,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And she is about eighties six, and she was nodding
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: off when I got out of the car, and they
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: were on their iPads looking up, playing candy crush or something.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And it hit me while I was in there in
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the frozen food section, what if somebody grabs that car
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and takes off. My mother couldn't fight them off. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: here I am in here in the fish division. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: almost ran out of Costco. I mean, there's no running
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: out because you have to show your car and this
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and that blah blah. And I thought I would jump
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: out of my skin before I could get When I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: got into that parking lot. I had put all. You know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they don't give you a bag, so I have to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: put everything in the box. I was trotting, if you
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: can see, with this big box in my arms, running
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: across the parking lot to get to the car. I mean,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it never goes away. This is just last week. This
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: was last week that I thought somebody would get the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: twins and heart down. Yeah, because you know what can happen.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have experienced that. We know it can happen.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It's not a story someone tells us. And I believe
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that's why we have this tangible fear with us that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it can happen again. You know it can happen again.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put out the tip line again. Four seven
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: eight five four two two zero eight five four seven
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: eight five four two to zero eight five or four
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: seven eight five four two two zero eight zero four
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: seven eight five four two zero eight zero. Chucky Mack
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: was murdered. This beautiful little boy on his bicycle was
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: murdered many many years ago. What was the year, Kathy Man?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Thirty one years ago? He would be forty five. He
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: just had his birthday that almost when he said he
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: just had his birthday that almost made my stomach did
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a flip because the twins birthday is in November and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about what are we going to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: do for your birthday? What are we gonna do because
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: we talked about it all year after, you know, about
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: two weeks after their birthday, okay, maybe two days after
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the birthday party, we start talking about what are we
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: gonna do next year? We're gonna have for your birthdays year?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And when you said, he just had his birthday, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, what would he be now
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and what would he be doing? And you know, I'd
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: probably have grandchildren and you know, but he's only thirteen
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to me. And I know what I wanted to ask you, Nancy,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: how do you what? I guess you know, after all
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: this time, and it's his murder is not solved, and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: what if it isn't solved? I mean, do I what
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: do I do? Do I let it go? Or do
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I keep trying to put his story out all the time?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do I do? Do I let it go?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Or you know what I did without trying to figure
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: out I'm supposed to be the expert and know the answer.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh lord, what what what's the right answer
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: for what she just asked me. I mean, I don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think think I know the answer. I think
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I do have the answer because I vacillate, like for
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to day. I almost didn't want to even call you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and bring the whole thing up again. But I want
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the answer. I want the truth about Chucky. And I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: think that everybody go ahead and mock me if you
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: want to. I really think that the Lord will provide
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: what you need and what we'll get you through the day.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: For instance, I've been so excited about our serious radio show,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and I thought, oh, I want to talk
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: about Chucky. Mark. I want to do this again. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: want the story out there, I want the tip line
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: out there. I want Kathy with me. And I remember,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: after talking about Chucky on Dr oz or Wendy Williams,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Fate has a funny way. It's not Fate, it's it's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's the Lord has a funny way of working, right.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So it's in that vein, you know, As I always say,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: If you don't know what's going to happen, look at
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: what has happened. Because that's a blueprint. Please explain how
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you and I got connected. Wow. Well, like I said,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I worked in this doctor's office and it was around
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and I was talking to some of my friends saying,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I need I have to I don't know
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: what to do anymore about Chucky. I need to get
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: his story out. If only I could get in touch
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Gray your name, I just had this always
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I've got to get in touch with you, but I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: don't know how to get in touch with her. And
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: we had um, a drug rep that came to see
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: us all the time. I loved him so much and he,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he'd stopped and talk to me, and you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: asked him what he was going to do for the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: holidays and everything, and he says, well, I'm going to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: go to New York to see my sister. And I said,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: well is your sister and he said, Nancy Grace. I thought,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't breathe, and I said, do you
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: have a moment. I've got to tell you my story.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And I told him the story of Chucky. And he said,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you get me everything you have and I'm taking it
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to Nancy. And I, you know, I thought God, you've
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: answered a prayer. I finally, you know, you have answered
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: one of my prayers. I'm gonna be able to talk
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to her. She's going to help me. She is going
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to help me. And sure enough if you called me
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and Thanksgiving, you called me and you said you were
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: going to help me, and I got something. You have
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: my people no matter where I am, and I thank
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: God for it. Tell you the truth. People ask me,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: does it ever bother you? People always coming up to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: you asking for help and want this and that. I'm like, no, No,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I welcome in. I want to hear their stories. And
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remembered the moment my brother called me.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I was coming up. I had done Larry King that night.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I had worked all day, stayed at Court TV and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: gone and done Larry Now how did it go? Then
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I went and did h l N across town and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I had done Larry King, which was a real blessing
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to me. And I was on the way home and Matt,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: my brother, Matt Mackie, as I call him, I saw
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: his number pop up and answered the phone and he
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: started talking and I'm like, Okay, here's the story and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: here's another story. And so he wants a men to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: do something? What is it? What can I do? And
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I was listening and he kept talking and talking and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I never said a word, and all of a sudden,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I come all the way across town and was at
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: my stop and we were still talking about Chucky and you,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, don't say another word. I'm on it,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and I hung the phone up and I immediately it
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: is late by then called my producer, executive producer Dean.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, we gotta do this, We got to do this.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And that was it. Yeah, you did it, like right away.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I just knew in my soul that if I could
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: get if there's somehow I could get in touch with you,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you would know my story. You would listen, and of
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: all these years that no one has ever helped me,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you would. I always believe it. I know you're not
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: gonna believe this, Kathy, but I figured something out. And
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you know what it took for me to figure it out.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Many many years I was writing my book Eleventh Victim
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and the Heroine and Eleventh Victim as Haley Dean. She's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a much better person than me. Let me tell you
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that right now. But she loves to solve crimes, and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: she loves two when cases put the bag guy away
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: because Hally not me, of course. Somehow, you know, every
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: time she puts a band aid on somebody else, it's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: like putting a band aid on her. I mean, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: get so much joy. I guess is the only word
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I know. It's not really joy. But I'm getting to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: talk to you and talk about Chucky and putting it
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: out there again. It just feels like somehow we're putting
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it out in the universe, and it's somehow, some way
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: somebody knows something and somebody is going to come forward. Everybody, Please,
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  Speaker 1: story of his own own and you'll see his picture
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  Speaker 1: and you will see and meet Kathy Miller. Kathy, my
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  Speaker 1: brother told me a story that you told him, and
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  Speaker 1: this is how it goes. You finally moved out of
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  Speaker 1: that house, and you were in your new house and
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  Speaker 1: you we're putting all the furniture in and you were
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  Speaker 1: putting up pictures, that's what you were doing. And you
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  Speaker 1: put up the pictures of Chucky and I am with you.
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  Speaker 1: I have um out, I have out all my letters
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  Speaker 1: from Keith, I have his baseball, and I can walk
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  Speaker 1: by and touch them whenever I want to. You were
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  Speaker 1: putting up Chucky's pictures, so you got them all up.
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  Speaker 1: You walk tither room. You hadn't been out of the
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  Speaker 1: room ten minutes, and all of a sudden, crash, you
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  Speaker 1: go back in. All the pictures, not one the pictures
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  Speaker 1: of Chucky had all crashed to the floor. And your
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  Speaker 1: son has said he saw Chuck you run through the house. Mhm.
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  Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but that's so true. I
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  Speaker 1: mean strange and unusual happenings. That is so true. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and he is with me. Tell me that part. Please
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  Speaker 1: tell me that part. I want to hear that so much,
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  Speaker 1: that he's he's with me. He every picture just fell,
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  Speaker 1: I mean all at the same time, not one at
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  Speaker 1: a time, they were all all at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: just fell. And Greg just said, Mama, Chuck just ran
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  Speaker 1: through here. He just went down the hall, and he's
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  Speaker 1: so he's with me here, he's with me, And that's
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  Speaker 1: just that really happened. You know. You asked me if
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  Speaker 1: should we just let it go. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to let things go. I'm sure I
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  Speaker 1: don't probably tell you to let it go, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to do that. And it's like if
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  Speaker 1: I let it go, and what kind of mama am I?
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  Speaker 1: You know? We know the answers our children. We were
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  Speaker 1: there when we gave birth to them, we were there
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  Speaker 1: when they're hurt, were there and they're good times. Well
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't there when he died. And if I leave him,
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  Speaker 1: I leave him. Well there's your answer right there. You
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  Speaker 1: can't let go of this any more than you can
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  Speaker 1: forget it. You can't let go. People always say, you know, how,
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  Speaker 1: why are you still doing this? You know you gotta
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  Speaker 1: let it go. Well, if they would tell me how
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  Speaker 1: to let how do you let your child go? You know,
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  Speaker 1: you pick a child and you let them go. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you pick your child? Which one would you pick? And
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  Speaker 1: you let them go? And you're right, said, is my answer.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never let it go. I'm his mother. I need
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  Speaker 1: to know how much child died and why. I know
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  Speaker 1: everything else. I just gotta know why him and why
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  Speaker 1: he died and if he was scared, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: was the last thing he thought maybe I need my
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  Speaker 1: mom because that little boys always need their mom. Today
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Day, we remember those people, those heroes who have
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  Speaker 1: made the ultimate sacrifice for us, those fallen in the
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  Speaker 1: line of duty, Fallen soldiers. First Army Sergeant first Class
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  Speaker 1: Stephen B. Cribbin, who served during Operation Freedom Sentinel. He
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  Speaker 1: is from Semi Valley, California. He died far far away
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  Speaker 1: from home in the Logar Province, Afghanistan, because of wounds
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  Speaker 1: sustained in combat. He had been assigned to the second
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  Speaker 1: Italian tenth Special Forces Group, Army First Lieutenant Weston C. Lee,
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  Speaker 1: who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom. First Lieutenant Western Sea
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  Speaker 1: Lee was just twenty from Bluffed And Georgia. He also
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  Speaker 1: died far from home and Mosul, Iraq. He died of
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  Speaker 1: injuries sustained conducting security. He had been assigned to the
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  Speaker 1: first Battalion Infantry Regiment, second Brigade, Combat Team, eighty second
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  Speaker 1: Airborne Division, Fort Bragg. Army Sergeant first Class Houghton OH. Brown.
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  Speaker 1: He served during Operation Freedom Sentinel. He was from Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: New York. He died far away a can't bring Kuwait
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  Speaker 1: after a non combat related incident. He was assigned to
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  Speaker 1: the three hundred six Engineer Company, the four hundred eleven
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  Speaker 1: Engineer Brigade, described as a role model and a mentor.
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  Speaker 1: We remember Army Chief Warrant Officer Jacob M. Sims. He
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  Speaker 1: died serving Operation Freedom Sentinel, just thirty six from Juneau, Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: He died far away from friends and family in the
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  Speaker 1: Logar Province, Afghanistan. He was in a helicopter crash. He
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  Speaker 1: was assigned to the fourth Battalion, the hundred sixtieth Special
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  Speaker 1: Operations Aviation Regiment in the Joint Base Lewis McCord, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: He lived by a creed that few understand and fear
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  Speaker 1: or embody. He will never be forgotten. My dad lied
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  Speaker 1: about his age, gave up a basketball scholarship to go
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  Speaker 1: and fight for our country. He made it home. These
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  Speaker 1: fallen soldiers did not. Today we remember them. Thank God.
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  Speaker 1: Bless America. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friends.
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