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Guest Hypnotist - Bob Burns Discusses The Swan and Ideomotor Responses · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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Hypnotist, I'm actually joined by a guest hypnotist.
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And if you're from the world of hypnotherapy, you probably know
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this name because AI would say a legend, a certain name from the
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industry. I'm joined by the very special
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guest, Bob Burns. Welcome, Bob.
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Hi, Adam, How are you? Very good indeed, very good.
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So obviously, you know I've known about you for a very long
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time. For those people listening to
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aren't familiar with you, what's the best way of them getting to
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know you and your your way into the world of hypnosis?
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OK, so I have a website, bobburdenshypnotherapy.com.
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So does that a lot of people contact me online.
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That's probably the best way to find out.
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Bob burdenshypnotherapy.com. They can read all about you on
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there. It's a wonderful write up.
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I wrote it myself. I took my time, made sure it was
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special and basically that's it in a in a scuffled nutshell.
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That's how you'll find out a little bit about me.
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Absolutely. So how did you get into the
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world of hypnosis? What, what was the kind of the
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catalyst for you joining this this niche strange industry that
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we we call hypnosis? It's quite funny you asked that
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question because I met you for the first time just recently in
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London. But I think I told the story of
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how I used to be with this one called Cockney Haggis.
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And it was really back then in 1973, where we were taking our
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gear into play in this, this place the Queen should tell in
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Aberdeen. And the drummer turned around to
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this, this lady who was standing at the door.
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And he says for some reason he doesn't know.
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To this day, he's no idea why he said it, but he said.
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Don't look into his eyes, he's an epmetist.
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And she, she looked at him and she looked at me when I said
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sleep. And I caught her head just
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before it hit the ground. My bond got terrified because I
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didn't know I was a hypnotist. I was really terrified because I
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didn't know I was a hypnotist. And the question I asked back in
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the UK convention where we met was who hypnotized the lady?
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Her name was Liz. Did I hypnotize Liz?
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Or was it the drummer who hypnotized Liz by giving her
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that suggestion? Or was it Liz who hypnotized
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Liz? And for anyone watching this,
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you might find it interesting to know that when I asked the the
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the audience, who do you think hypnotized Liz?
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Very intelligent audience. Well, they, nearly everyone went
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up to say that Liz hypnotized Liz from Gary Turner, who who
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likes an argument. Listen, good old Gary.
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But he said it was a good argument.
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Yeah, Gary. Gary is a great, great guy.
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He knows his stuff. So that was it.
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So that was that's geez, that's 51 years ago.
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And since then I came through a lot.
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I traveled about doing. I got involved in hypnosis the
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same time. As doing a sick most do my first
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psychology degree trying to be an assistant psychologist and
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I'm doing hypno analysis back in the day and I thought hypno
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analysis was wonderful you know regress regress somebody
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because. Got to fix them.
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Doesn't it makes sense at the time thought the arguments
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wonderful. I still I still have a good
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argument on that today. And at the same time I was going
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out at night time hypnotizing, doing hypnosis shows here and in
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the continent. So I learned a lot by
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hypnotizing lots of people and I did sweet hypnosis and so on and
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so forth. So, but mainly I am a
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hypnotherapist who works in a small room with a person.
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I am a therapist. And although I do lots of work,
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I'm not, I'm not a trainer per SE.
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I don't have a hypnosis economy. I just do workshops.
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I like the workshops, but, and I think you'll probably already
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know this, I didn't. To train with me in the past,
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you had to come to my home, you had to stay a couple of nights
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and you would go with me into my my live sessions.
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You'd see me working with strangers.
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I think that's the best way to do it, to learn this stuff.
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You go and see the guy who's training, you're working with a
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totally incomplete stranger. And it's scary.
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Scary as hell. Because the person who's telling
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you they're good, well, let's find out, press play, Let's see
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how you got on with this total stranger.
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And they get to see me hypnotizing somebody and I look.
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Fantastic. And they get to see me failing
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miserably and I look like shit. And that's the way it should be,
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because. They get to know that it doesn't
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work all the time. So again, very, very briefly,
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that's me. That's my history, that's what
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I've been doing. And right now I'm back in
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England. It's going to be my last move, I
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suppose. We're back living with family
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down in Southampton and on. Kind of.
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I think it'd be fair to say I'm moving at a semi retirement.
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I'm not seeing as many many clients now and it's nearly all
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online, which much to my surprise worked exactly the
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same. I used to argue against that,
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but I've just discovered it worked exactly the same as being
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with somebody. Absolutely I.
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Just don't get. I just don't get to pick the.
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Pockets, which is a nightmare. Absolutely.
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So one of the things that I found fascinating is the way in
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which you kind of work with people is very different from,
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let's say, how a lot of people do training.
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And that is they do kind of structured courses and they do
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the academies and they're talking about kind of
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techniques. Your approach is much more like
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the kind of the master and The Apprentice.
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It's kind of see them in action, see them doing stuff, and you're
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going to learn a lot more from actually kind of seeing them
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where the rubber meets the road and actually kind of in the
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point of interacting with someone, then perhaps talking
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about theoretical kind of concepts.
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Was that a deliberate kind of choice of teaching in that way,
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or you just found it was an easier way to do it because you
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felt very comfortable working with clients one-on-one?
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Yeah, great question. So I used to be a salesperson.
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I used to sell, I used to work in the world of finance and I
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became quite good. I became a, became the number
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one in the UK for this company and then end up becoming the the
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boss of the company, end up becoming the international sales
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manager. And I did all of that.
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First of all, when I was in training, I went to all the
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training that everybody else went to and I discovered that I
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wasn't. Great at sales.
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All my friends thought it would be great.
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But Bob, you'll be signed to the Arabs and snow to the Eskimos.
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Sorry, the Inuits. Whatever, it never worked.
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Like that, what we discovered was I was an OK guy.
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I could make people laugh in a pub.
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That was who I was. I wasn't a salesman because when
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it came to the pub and I asked him for the money.
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I just couldn't do that or they said no.
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So I had to learn how to do that.
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So instead, apart from all the training I got in the class, I
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went to a guy called John Copeland, who was a top salesman
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in the world of a company called Combined International.
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And I said and. I don't know why I can't do
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this. I don't know why but.
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I heard you've come back to the company.
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I want to ask, can I come and claim with you for a week?
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I don't want any commissions. I just want to watch it and he.
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Stared at me for ages. And he says, I'll give you a
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morning next Monday, be in Union Street in Aberdeen beside the
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Queen, the statue, 10:00 I'll pick you up there.
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Yeah, 1 morning. That should be you.
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And he was. And he turned around and started
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talking to the. Guy again, he's very bad
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mannered. So I went out with John and I
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watched him work for the morning and.
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I thought, Oh my God, this. Is how the guys do it.
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And it was completely different from how I'd been trained.
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So I got to watch this guy and then so and John and I became
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wonderful friends. Three months later I became the
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man of the quarter and John came in second.
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How lovely is that? And the main reason why I was
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the man of the quarter and John came in second is because I just
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copied everything that John told me to do.
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But started earlier than him each day and worked later.
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So it's science. It's it's bloody science.
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I do what he does, but I do more of it and I come in first and he
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come in second. He says it's great.
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As he says, if I win, I win. But if you win, Bob, everybody
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knows I trained you. So I look fantastic and we
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became wonderful friends for many, many years.
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So because that's a good analogies it not when I come
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into hypnotherapy and I see all these guys going with a few 1000
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lbs to sit in a room for a couple of weeks to train with
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people and nicely breath, sleep deeper, deeper.
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And that's how it works really. You tell them not to do it again
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and don't do it again. That's not how I it's not how it
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worked for me. So I said, well, be good if they
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came to see how what I want to do.
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Now the interesting thing there are doing is it becomes really
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interesting now because it almost looks like that does it.
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We'll go and see this guy. You go to his house, you stay
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for a couple of nights, he cooks for you, he drinks wine with you
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in the evening, and you go and watch him do his magic.
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This this stuff that he does. But everyone got a shock to
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discover that I am completely structured.
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I am completely and absolutely I'm riddled with organized sales
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stocks. Yeah, I'm completely scripted
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and they got to get the shock of.
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Their life. What I used to do, in fact, I
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would do the thing. Let's say the first 3 clients of
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a deer and they see. That, oh, the second.
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One, he did it almost like he did for the.
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First one and. The third one, Oh my, it's kind
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of, it's kind of what he does. And the fourth one, when I tell
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him to take a nice deep breath, close your eyes.
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If you were sitting with me being trained on him, you'd see
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me go into a drawer. You take out a sheet, a sheet of
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paper, I'd say. And as you allow your eyes to
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close, you allow yourself just to drift deeper and deeper, all
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the way down, always considering you go, Oh my God, he's reading
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it, but he's reading what he's already done three times, so he
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doesn't need to read it. So instead of me telling them, I
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showed them. Does that make sense?
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It does. Yeah, it does.
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So don't tell them, show them, show them what you do and but
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then I I was interested they would become script by the way,
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nicely, I'm scripted. I don't walk a bug speaking like
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this. I'm talking about on the initial
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session only, on the initial session only for me, best to be
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scripted. Anything else, yeah, then you
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can fly with the seat, your pants and what have you.
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And just another interesting thing for people watching this,
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there'll be many of them saying, I know I don't follow the steps.
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I go with the floor. I do my thing and they don't.
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I've been with them. They're.
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Fantastic. They're completely scripted.
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But guess what, Adam? They don't even know they're
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scripted. Fascinating dwarfs.
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They do all these things, then they say this, then they say
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that. And they're brilliant.
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They just don't realize that they're scripted.
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And, and, and that's the thing, it's the unconscious competence,
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isn't it? Once you get good at something,
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you, you, you kind of do it without thinking about it.
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And, and I've noticed that with my, you know, because I, I
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publish a lot of my sessions that I do.
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And to begin with, you know, very, very varied, trying lots
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of different kind of things. But you find out that there is a
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way of doing an induction that works for an individual.
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There's a way of, you know, taking them through a, through a
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process. So there is a lot of, I would
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say unconscious scripts in my stuff.
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But equally, I'm a big believer that the people where they're
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beholden to a script becomes like a comfort blanket.
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Their attention is on the script, not on the person in
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front of them. And that can be a problem
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because you can't calibrate and kind of work with the individual
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that we're working with. But that, that kind of initial
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session, it seems like that gives you such a strong
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foundation because you're getting so much from that.
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And because it's been done so many times, you're able to kind
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of notice what comes back in reaction because your variable
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is constant, their variable is different.
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So you you're going to be able to calibrate so much from you
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doing the same thing but then reacting to what you do
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differently. Yeah.
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And a great example of that is one guy that came to see me.
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He's passed away now, bless him. Yeah, I'm talking about you.
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We'll be fine. So he came, he came to stay with
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me. And one night he just one of the
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most gentlest, loveliest men I've ever known.
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And we just finished the dinner in my home and he says he comes
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from. He comes from.
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I think there's maybe a Yorkshire lad or something.
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He's listening. Can I just?
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Show you something, Bob. I like your opinion.
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And Summit, I said yeah, sure. He went into his briefcase.
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He pulled out this wad of papers.
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He says this is a thing that I'm doing.
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I want you to tell me. What you could I, would you
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allow me to do? I said.
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Yes, please show it to me. And he went all right.
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So he started to do the back. And you've got allow yourself to
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drift. And when you do that, you feel
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yourself just just like, it's just like you're going down.
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And I said, and I'm looking at the papers, I'm thinking like
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this thick, I'm going to be with him for the No 1 1/2 year.
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And this is horrendous. So I said, can I just do
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something for a second to show you?
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You tell me if it's any volumes. Sure.
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So I took the papers from him and I said, you do like you
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drift, you dream, you float, you allow yourself to just and I
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said some, how's that sound? And he says, well, that's oh,
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that's right. That sounds lovely.
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What is it you're doing? But I'm not doing.
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That's what I'm hesitating. And I'm modulating.
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And I'm emphasizing, yeah, my God, my voice is going up and
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then it's going down. And it seems like it's kind of
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interesting, but it's almost like I'm cheating.
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Is it? And he said, oh, that's lovely.
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So this guy had a script, was probably a great script, but he
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had no idea. How to how to use a script?
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And the 1 golden thing about a script is.
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Never read it? Well, don't.
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Don't read the script and. I have to tell you in the early
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days measured the hypno analysis.
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Obviously the idea, the idea was to get to close their eyes so I
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can get my papers with a script. Now they're smiling.
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I've got a Strickler sweat coming down.
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I'm just a bag of nerves. I don't know what I'm doing.
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One thing I shouldn't have been doing, I shouldn't have been
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doing therapy. I should have been in jail.
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So as soon as they close their eyes, I very gently pull up my
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paper. I've only got 1 worry now, or
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one worry. When I get to the bottom of this
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page, I don't have to take it from the top and put it to the
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bottom and I know it's going to make this noise.
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That's the noise of papers running against papers in my
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head. When I go, they're thinking,
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wait a minute, he's using a script.
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He's just reading us. He doesn't know what he's
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talking about. That's how.
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That's how bad I was. And it's not enough that.
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It would make that noise, so I used to cough a lot when I
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changed the sheets so that everybody thought I had the flu
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or something. And allow yourself to drift.
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A dream on. What it was just it was just a
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nightmare. I was just useless, but I didn't
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quit. So by being useless and not
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quitting, I could just get better.
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But finally I said. I've got to stop reading this
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shit. I've got to learn it, yeah.
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I think it was interesting because I feel like there is an
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analogy between learning to drive and and learning hypnosis
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in the sense that, you know, when you get your license, for
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me, that's where you learn, That's where the learning to
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drive begins. At that point, you've got
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enough, but you don't really have any like real Rd.
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experience, Rd. awareness, any of that kind of stuff.
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But you've got your license, you can now actually kind of be on
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the roads and then that's where you really kind of learn how to
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drive properly. And I think there's a lot of
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people that become course junkies and they go from 1
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conference to the next conference and they kind of,
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they're constantly learning, getting new certificates and
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qualifications, but they're not working with enough clients to
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actually kind of become good at those particular things.
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And I always think that you can't learn to swim by reading a
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book. You've got to jump in the pool.
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And hypnosis is a bit like that. You've got to do it to really,
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to really learn it, if that makes sense.
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What's your, what's your kind of optimal way of learning, Bob?
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You know, because obviously we're always learning.
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Do you feel like you learn from observing other people or from
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like difficult clients that become a challenge?
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What's another thing you said? Do I learn from observing other
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people? That's one way to word it.
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Here's another way to word it. Copying, which is exactly the
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same thing, of course. But in my little world where I
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came from, yeah, I'll just, I'll just copy them.
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They don't. Then I'll find out they've got
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other stuff. They've got things they call.
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Rebuttals. Let me write that down.
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What's in rebuttal? Should I discover the magic of
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having a rebuttal now, as you as you probably know, I'm also
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trained as a magician. I worked as a professional
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magician for many years and the difference between a good
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magician and one that's a good there's a good one makes exactly
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simultes mistakes, but he covers them by rebuttaling if you like.
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He's got what we call outs, so we do something, but we use that
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out and nobody knows we've got that wrong.
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It happens all the time in the therapy.
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Room with me. So, so for example, I've got
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this thing, yeah, I think I said, I think that's maybe worth
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mentioning to to your people. I've got this thing that I, I
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suggest everybody should learn a script.
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Script for me is like getting on a train in Aberdeen and going to
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London. I'm going through all the stops
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and even Manchester York. I get off in time, I get back on
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the train in time, the rails go there to the nearest inch.
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They get me, they get me turned in in time.
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All I've got to do is stay in the train, to stay in the
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trucks. Nuts it.
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That for me is a script. Pretty, pretty simple analogy.
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Now, if you know, and again, I'll make a mistake, I'm
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completely scripted, but I'll make a mistake and you think
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what's going to happen then? So that's an interesting 1.
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And I remember working for this company where the we had to
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learn the script in this particular thing or you didn't
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get home after two weeks. So it's a Friday afternoon.
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You pitched to the to the manager and you've done it or
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you? Have to say an extra week so
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it's. Terrifying and on.
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Then it's it's it's 3:00 on a Friday and I'm making a mess.
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Of it and I'm sweating and the guy said what is this?
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Why not? If we don't get this right, we
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don't get to go home. And the guy said, we lie to you,
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We tell you that you're young guys, you're all in your 20s,
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you'll be shagging every night. So we lie to you.
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We tell you if you can't do it, you don't get home.
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You're going home. You're on the train with me at
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5:30. Don't worry about that.
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So no, I'm angry and no, I'm so angry.
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I just can't get the script right.
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I'm getting everything wrong. And he looked at me and he must
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have been thinking nothing is going to save this one.
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And then he said this to me. I did.
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And I've never forgot it. It's beautiful.
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He says, let me tell you a story.
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The story Domo was this. He said Once Upon a time there
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were three bears. I was a Duddy bear.
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I was a mummy bear. It's a better baby bear.
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He even made me made his voice go funny.
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I was furious. I wanted to smack the guy, which
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just he's no taking the best. He told me the story of how they
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lived in the edge of a forest and they all went into tone and
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world about going along. Girl comes along called
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Goldilocks. She walks in Duddy bears chairs
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too hard. Mummy bears chairs too soft.
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Baby bears chair is just right. He's doing the voicing again.
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Again. I'm getting hungry.
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And then he said this, they went, she went into the kitchen
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and they were 3 balls of cornflakes.
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And I said porridge. And he said, I beg your pardon?
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I said it was, it was, it was 3 balls of porridge.
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And he said, how do you know that?
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And I said, well, I've, I've heard the story before.
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And he said, excuse my language. That's right, you deaf bastard,
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you've heard the story before. But none of them, none of them
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have heard the story before. They'll only think you've got it
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wrong if you say I've got that wrong.
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Now do you think you could handle that?
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And I wanted to kiss him. Absolutely wanted to kiss him so
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I'm. Stripped in and I make mistakes.
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I never tell anybody. I just moved through them, so
18:46
the skills and the skills within the skills that can get us
18:48
there. There's a bottles and there's
18:50
oats. There's a whole.
18:51
Baggage of stuff, right back to what you said.
18:54
You pushed a driving test, you tear up the plates.
18:56
Now you can learn how to drive. Yeah, all the stuff you pick up
19:00
then afterwards. Yeah, it it, it is.
19:03
And I think also like what you've called copying there, you
19:06
know, fairly self, you know, depreciatingly, you know, other
19:10
people would call modelling from the NLP world, they would say
19:13
like figure out the structure of what people do well, you know,
19:17
and then copy that. And then once you've copied
19:20
that, you've got a really good, you know, base level, then you
19:23
can refine. And I think so many people are
19:26
trying to kind of create the new things.
19:27
But actually, if people are good at something, they're good at
19:30
something for a reason, copy as much of that as you can.
19:34
And, and, and I think a lot of the, you know, if you look at
19:36
the, the big painters, how they originally got good at painting
19:40
is they tried to replicate the masters of their time, replicate
19:45
first and then find their own style afterwards.
19:47
But it was by trying to kind of get to that standard by copying
19:50
other people's techniques that they were able to kind of
19:52
improve on that. And I think it's, it's such a, a
19:55
useful way and I think theory sometimes things get lost.
19:58
But if you copy what someone can do and how they do it, then
20:01
obviously you can got you've got a really good kind of benchmark
20:03
there. Tell me more about where the
20:05
swan came from, because some people I've I've used it in a
20:09
couple of my podcast, you know, talking about kind of like a
20:11
different version of talking to the unconscious mind idiomotor
20:15
responses. Where did the the concept, the
20:17
idea for the Swan come from and and how have you?
20:21
Find the best place to kind of use that.
20:22
What kind of conditions or situations?
20:25
So I used to swarm with nearly yeah, just about every client
20:29
that comes through the door will do that.
20:31
It's harder on online, but not too difficult.
20:34
It's it's it's doable. The whole this one came about
20:36
was I used to do Tai chi every morning down at the beach, the
20:40
Montrose. So Saturday morning was my
20:42
favorite. I do a longer set on a Saturday
20:44
morning and I'd come back for 10:00 because then everybody in
20:47
the UK knows at 10:00 there'll be a cooking program on on TV.
20:51
We'd all set my watch, James Martin of whoever it was.
20:54
So I've done my Tai chi down at the beach.
20:56
I've come back. It's a beautiful morning and I'm
20:58
sitting watching it and I put my fingers through my hair like
21:01
that. And I lean back in the chair
21:03
like watch the telly, and I haunted just glanced and I see
21:05
my I see my hand like this, and I look at my hand and I sail.
21:09
Glowed as it happens. You, you, you look like a swan,
21:13
don't you? And I, and I get, I smiled to
21:15
myself and my hand goes, yeah. And I go, whoa, whoa.
21:20
That is an idiom water response. But I don't do idiom water
21:22
responses. I don't have that skill that
21:25
these other people have. I says, try and do that again.
21:27
Boom. And I says, can you can you do
21:31
anything else? Yes.
21:32
I said, well, yeah, but you're just waving out, can you turn?
21:34
I mean, can you look at me? And the whole hand and arm goes
21:37
boom. Now, at this point, it gets a
21:39
little bit weird. Yeah.
21:40
It's 10:00, the sun shining. Maybe if this was midnight.
21:44
And I was in the room on my own. I might I might get a different.
21:47
Feeling it might be a little bit scary.
21:49
Because it's me, but I don't think it's me, but it has to be
21:53
me. So here we go.
21:54
I'm a psychologist who's also into magic and I am, by the way,
21:59
into magic and stuff as well. So I'm balancing these two
22:02
together and it's not working out.
22:03
So I showed my wife to come downstairs.
22:05
She comes down, I said watch this and it works.
22:08
And I expected not to work because the psyche world is like
22:12
that. It'll mess with you or do
22:14
something marvellous. And then when you go to show
22:16
somebody else, he'll go, Nah, I'm not going to work.
22:19
So it works, but it won't work with her.
22:21
But my wife said, why don't you go into the the on Monday
22:24
morning, try it with clients and see if you can do something
22:26
without that. And it worked far better than
22:29
ever. So then I go online and I tell
22:32
the world how wonderful it is. Let's be honest.
22:35
I tell the world how wonderful I am, and a guy called Felix Econo
22:38
Marcus, do you know Felix? He's done there in London.
22:41
Felix, the psychologist, he called me.
22:46
Can I say that? I think I can't.
22:47
He called me a cock. On online and he he's quite an
22:51
ugly. Greek.
22:53
So we had words, we had strong words.
22:55
And he said, well that's true. So why don't you come down to
22:56
London? I'll get a lot of psychologists
22:59
and doctors in the room. You can show it all how
23:00
wonderful you are. As well.
23:01
Just send it decades. And of course, he sent the
23:03
ticket and very annoying and I've no, I've no way out.
23:07
So I jump in a flight, I go down to London, Felix picks me up,
23:10
push me into a room. And it was one of these things
23:13
that. It was.
23:14
It was heavenly. The whole oh, the whole room
23:20
started moving. They're all using the F word and
23:22
shouting and screaming I like Jesus and of course, well, this
23:25
all this is happening. I'm sitting sitting in the
23:26
middle you'll. Get this I'm.
23:27
Sitting in the middle thinking I.
23:29
Don't think this is good to do with me.
23:32
I think the smiling and nodding and looking at me and thinking
23:34
how wonderful I am, but I don't know really what I'm doing.
23:37
I'll become quite interesting. There's another thing that
23:40
happens here arguments is this. I thought that I fight for a
23:43
long time. My wife who used to be a uni
23:45
lecturer in psychology, sociology, what have you, she's
23:48
made a statement when once she said to me remember that
23:51
everything in this world is a construct.
23:54
Neither what stupid thing to say till I thought about it.
23:56
And I promise you she's right. Or come back and give us some
24:00
arguments. Every single thing in this world
24:03
is a construct. It's a construct that's been
24:05
constructed. So that means that, well,
24:08
obviously the Swans are construct, but that's my
24:10
enlightenment. The only thing I know of in this
24:12
world that isn't a construct is a swan.
24:15
That sounds ridiculous. But the reason why I say that is
24:18
I didn't construct it. I was watching dancing.
24:21
I was watching cooking. I put my fingers through my
24:23
hair. I landed back and I just said,
24:26
you look like a swan. Oh, don't you?
24:30
And this bloody thing went and my whole life gets changed.
24:34
So I don't need to do things with it, do I?
24:36
Let's look at what I did. And let's look at the genius of
24:38
Bob Barons. Yeah, well, he flew me around
24:40
the world several times. I did 4 things.
24:42
I discovered I need to do something with that because my,
24:45
my, my weekend workshop will be over in 5 minutes.
24:48
I need to find another 15 hours and 55 minutes.
24:51
Where's that going to come from? So at the start.
24:54
Of I had a twitch, I had a Turin, I had a wave.
24:59
And I had a return. That's all I had.
25:01
Guess what? Today it's still the same.
25:02
That's the swan. Feminine's watching this.
25:04
Good luck. That's it.
25:05
That's all you need. A twitch, a tongue, a wave and a
25:08
return. So I constructed that movements
25:10
within it. But the swan itself just arrived
25:13
on my shoulder and not in yours. What a shit deal for other
25:16
people that never lived in their shoulders that arrived in mine.
25:19
So I got a lot of credit for something that I I never
25:21
consulted. I never thought, oh, there's no
25:24
beautiful mind working on that. I just got to travel around the
25:26
world with my English wife, spending money and jewelry and
25:30
choosing. We mustn't go there.
25:33
Anyway, that's, that's, that's how this one came about.
25:35
Now after that, of course, it got advanced to something else.
25:38
Was it to one day when I was sitting with a client, I thought
25:40
and I says to the part, so if you can do all of this if you
25:43
wanted to. I'm not asking you to.
25:45
Do it again. Here we go.
25:47
This is scripted words so you don't get messed up.
25:49
I'm not asking you to. But if you wanted to, do you
25:56
think you could speak to me? Because if you get that mixed
25:58
up, lots of challenges happen and it goes, yes.
26:01
This is OK. Would you like to try that?
26:03
Yes. And say the client and you'll
26:04
have it because they're way awake.
26:05
Remember, look at me going. OK, so if you could try and say,
26:08
I don't know, try and say hello and see what happens.
26:10
So next thing. Hello.
26:12
Or even scarier, hello. Mr. Burns.
26:13
That is scary because that doesn't seem to be like this
26:16
woman who's 68 years old, five feet too.
26:21
Hello. Mr. Burns.
26:22
So that's why I called it direct voice.
26:25
That comes from the the days of the mediums who used to talk in
26:28
what they call direct voice. It's not really, of course, I
26:32
don't think. But there you go.
26:33
So now we have this thing called direct voice, and that's when it
26:36
exploded into something else. That's where the part, let's
26:39
call it parts therapy. That's where the part, let's
26:42
call it, that started doing things that they don't normally
26:44
do in parts therapy. They'd argue with the client and
26:49
me about other things, and then we started getting other things
26:52
that we don't have time to go into right now.
26:53
And it would only confuse people, I think, and make me
26:58
look stupid. But we do have areas where the
27:00
part will come. You know, we're talking a
27:04
language that they don't speak. And that's that's really
27:09
interesting. But not Harbins.
27:11
Science will actually accept that.
27:12
They'll even accept that it might be DNA.
27:14
Yeah, maybe I maybe speak. Maybe my great, great
27:16
grandfather spoke Spanish. I don't know that.
27:18
And certainly I'm saying we're like a dog here and I mess up.
27:21
But a quadraticular Battana pivor and I and I don't speak
27:23
Spanish. So that's where it becomes
27:25
interesting, but extremely interesting, yeah.
27:29
Yeah, it's fascinating. And I think just just for the
27:32
purpose of people listening rather than kind of seeing this
27:35
perhaps on YouTube when when Bob's talking about this one
27:40
there, he's got his elbow on a flat surface.
27:42
And then kind of like there the hand arched over.
27:45
So it kind of looks like the hand is the head of a swan and,
27:48
and the the, the kind of the forearm is the neck of the swan,
27:52
just to kind of give some context there.
27:55
And if you haven't heard of idiomotor responses before, it's
27:59
good to kind of connect it to something that most people can
28:02
relate to. And, and I don't know if you
28:04
have a different anecdote, Bob, but the one that I use is most
28:08
people that drive have been in the passenger seat and they've
28:12
been in the passenger seat when the driver hits the brakes later
28:16
than they would and their right foot twitches like they're
28:19
pushing for the brakes. Now, they're not choosing to do
28:22
that, but their foot is absolutely moving in that point.
28:24
And that's kind of like an idiomotor response.
28:27
Do you have any anecdotes to kind of get people to pace
28:30
people to kind of let them know what an idiomotor response is?
28:38
Well, I've got I've got a Juju doll.
28:41
I often use this and if I get really pissed off with somebody,
28:44
I stick it up their arse and I watch them jump.
28:47
OK, that's not completely true. I used to do this thing.
28:50
Do you? I'm trying to think what it's
28:51
called and I can't think of it right now.
28:54
You might know, Adam. It's where you get a fake autumn
28:57
and you put it down underneath a cloth to the side and you take
29:00
the left arm away but you put the fake hand in.
29:02
There, that's true, yeah. But you do the thing when you
29:05
hit it with a hammer. I don't know why I stop.
29:07
Do not because it's fantastic. I haven't done it for a couple
29:09
years. So that's that's a really great
29:12
idiom water response, where as you know, they'll claim they
29:15
felt the pain as well. And they do it with the feather
29:17
as well, don't they? They have the false.
29:18
Yeah, well, starts with a feather, then a touch and so on
29:22
and so forth. That becomes interesting.
29:24
As I said, again, for anybody listening, it's great.
29:26
Is it where we we suddenly, suddenly slide in a situation we
29:29
never meant to talk about, but it's more interesting maybe than
29:32
the subject itself. So I got this finger here.
29:38
I don't know. So if you can see that it's a
29:40
really bad gouge there and it was a it was a knife and it took
29:44
the vein out. It was really bad and it never
29:46
ever healed. So for years it never healed.
29:48
So I would just touch it against anything.
29:49
Just touch just. Pain just horrendous and I went
29:52
to see this guy in the Southampton General and I was in
29:56
the waiting list with a nurse and I was talking to the nurse
29:59
about this and guess what she says to me?
30:01
I tell you what, I dear love, I'm gonna go home and get a
30:05
piece of silk and just rub, touch it.
30:07
Just let the silk flow over it like that.
30:09
Get the silk, then get a feather.
30:12
So you've now got silk, Then you've got a feather.
30:13
Then get a piece of cloth. Then get a piece of rougher
30:16
cloth. And then get a matchbox of
30:18
safety matches. Yeah, that's the thin one.
30:22
Then get a matchbox of the rough sandpaper and put that over it.
30:26
And bit by bit it learns things and it can handle it.
30:29
Now I'm looking. I'm thinking this woman is an
30:31
idiot. I'm at home.
30:33
I did it a couple days. That's incredible.
30:38
I'm queuing to go and see the master.
30:40
And that's not sincere. And she just fixes my life like
30:44
that. But it's just a great story.
30:45
Yeah, it's one of my favorite stories.
30:47
Yeah, piece. Of silk, Yeah.
30:49
Piece of silk. Yeah.
30:49
Club. Yeah.
30:50
My Xbox sorted. Yeah.
30:51
So I'm back to again. Maybe some form of muscle
30:54
memory. Maybe.
30:55
I've been through this before. I know how to handle it now.
30:58
And so on and so forth. I don't know.
30:59
That's why I'm not a great guitarist, by the way.
31:01
That's the barring finger and that's my excuse.
31:04
That's why I'm not a brilliant guitarist.
31:06
Fair enough. When I've used the this one,
31:09
I've tend to use it if if it feels like there is some kind of
31:12
conflicted parts where I kind of link it to kind of parts therapy
31:15
and allow the swan to kind of form part of that part.
31:18
Now I might be kind of completely taking your kind of
31:21
protocol and putting into a different kind of principle, but
31:24
do you find it's useful when it when it plays the role of some
31:26
kind of conflicted or disassociated part or it's more
31:30
just a communication channel? Well, I'm, I'm really, I'm not
31:36
sure the adjective to describe you.
31:38
I'll go with weird because it's kind of OK.
31:41
My earlier life was sitting in dark rooms trying to make
31:44
contact with the with the dead. Yeah, I trained as a medium.
31:48
Many years ago. And I'm not by the way, but but
31:52
I, I spent a lot of time with some fascinating people.
31:55
Most of them are shut eyes. That means their eyes are closed
31:57
to the fact that nothing was going on.
31:59
But everything again, I get a couple of really special people
32:01
and that would happen again. Come on.
32:04
Like, yes to this thing called parts therapy right now.
32:06
And parts therapy, I can tell you one thing.
32:08
Every medium in the world will just smile and go, oh, yeah.
32:11
Because they'll say that's, well, that's what I do.
32:14
Or you call it parts therapy. Do you?
32:16
It's interesting. Is it the difference?
32:17
Of course, we are claiming that parts therapy is within our
32:20
subconscious. You know, the the the therapist
32:23
do we do never claims the part to be real.
32:26
It's a part within the subconscious.
32:29
No, I won't come to sworn. And maybe there's an argument
32:32
against that because in parts therapy, even then I could
32:36
contradict myself again, even in pure parts therapy by just
32:39
talking to them. I think I can get a part to talk
32:42
to me in a foreign language eventually known again and
32:46
again. We can, we can then argue what
32:48
that is. What is up for in Larmish.
32:49
Yeah. What what happened there?
32:51
Are they, are they pretending? Is it DNA?
32:54
Is it a thing they remembered when they were small?
32:57
But it, it becomes interesting. But it's all a form of another
33:00
part. That's it.
33:01
Here's one of my favourites. Sorry.
33:02
When I'm talking to somebody, I'll do this nearly all the
33:04
time. When somebody comes to see me
33:06
within the opening 5 minutes, I'm meeting somebody in my, my
33:09
therapy room. Yeah, so let me go in and tell
33:11
them what they're doing. I do my back because I'm a
33:13
professional. I smile a lot.
33:15
I nod my head. They like it when I nod my head.
33:18
I put my fingers through my head again.
33:19
I play with my goatee beard because I think it looks clever.
33:22
I only, I only got this thing because it looks clever and I go
33:24
aha aha. I make up noises and then it's
33:27
time for me to speak and I'll say this then.
33:29
So what you're telling me is you kind of got?
33:31
This thing that you like to get rid of?
33:33
But you can't get rid of it. But I'll be right.
33:34
And this and I say watch, this is what I do.
33:37
So I've got this thing, it's my phone but I don't want it so
33:40
just do this and it's gone. But this is what you do if.
33:44
What you're telling me is right. I've got this phone.
33:46
I don't want it, so I'll just throw it over here.
33:49
Shit, it's it doesn't seem to be gone and that seems to be you.
33:54
It's almost like it's almost like it's all inside you, but
33:56
it's totally outside. You have control without,
33:58
without be right. And either my swear to you
34:01
always this, this smile and go, yeah, that's exactly me.
34:07
It's a lovely analogy that I just fell into one day and like
34:10
one was there. And that's it.
34:11
They just can't throw the bloody thing away.
34:13
So my next line is, well, in that case, I'm wasting my time
34:15
talking to you. You've already seen all the
34:16
experts. You've told me about that.
34:18
They've seen psychiatrists. Now I'm going to get you to
34:20
close your eyes and do nothing. Don't try and help me.
34:22
Don't try and fight me. We'll just see what happens.
34:24
You'll let me talk to this other part.
34:25
You'll think it's all going crazy, but at the end of it,
34:27
there might be a fairly good chance that you're suddenly able
34:30
to do this. And it might be the easiest
34:32
thing you've ever done in your life.
34:33
Adam, all of that is skirted. It's all.
34:37
It's all completely. Stated.
34:38
I don't even know that it's scripted anymore.
34:40
You think about it, Yeah. It's great lines though, because
34:43
a lot of it has this kind of you're priming them for a change
34:49
can be so, so easily if you can work with the part that is
34:51
willing to let it go. And I think, you know, what I
34:54
like about working with people that have done this for a very
34:56
long time is that you've figured out in an evolutionary way what
35:01
works and what doesn't. And then you get rid of all the
35:03
stuff that doesn't work, keep what does.
35:05
And if that becomes scripts and sentences and phrases and those
35:08
kind of things, there's, there's some magic in that because it's
35:11
worked more often than it hasn't, if that makes sense.
35:14
We all know them, don't we? We've got, we've got Jimmy or
35:16
Mary around the corner. They, they sit there, they do
35:19
the knitting or the hilarious pipe.
35:21
They do nothing. They do.
35:23
Absolutely nothing, but when you've got a problem you just go
35:27
and sit down with them and for some reason in 5 minutes they're
35:30
going to bloody that shit and they've no idea how they did it.
35:34
Lines and faces that they've used and dumped and took back in
35:39
again. Well, well, 50 years ago, have
35:43
you? Yeah.
35:44
Good therapy. Absolutely, absolutely.
35:47
Well, Speaking of the therapy, you're going to do an example
35:50
for us. You know, maybe it's some of the
35:52
bits that you've kind of scripted before or just things
35:54
that you find useful. And you know, I like doing this
35:58
kind of stuff because I I be on the receiving end of of this
36:01
kind of stuff. So is there anything that you
36:03
want to kind of pre frame or kind of explain before you get
36:06
into it or? OK, I had a few minutes to think
36:09
about this. So I've got a good friend of
36:10
mine. He was at the convention.
36:12
We were like a couple of months ago.
36:18
And he believes that everybody and every human being who's ever
36:25
lived is anxious. They, they, they worry about,
36:29
they worry about anxiety. I cannot believe that.
36:33
That's my experience over many, many years.
36:35
Even if we don't know we're anxious, I'll be that so.
36:38
And I believe that. I see a lot of clients.
36:41
Maybe you do too. They come to me.
36:42
There's nothing wrong with them. There's nothing major wrong with
36:45
them, especially a lot of Americans.
36:46
Americans love therapists. Yeah.
36:48
So I've got, I've got Americans that have been clients of mine
36:50
for a couple of years now. It's almost as if I hypnotize
36:52
them to keep coming back with money, bunches of money for me.
36:55
And we, we joke, I'm joke about this with them, but they like
36:58
the session. They just enjoy the session.
37:00
So I'll do right now a standard session I would do with somebody
37:04
who just wants to relax. How about that?
37:06
They haven't brought, they haven't brought anything to my
37:08
door at all. But I'll also make a claim.
37:12
And the claim I'll make is this is a great session to use with
37:17
just about anybody. And by the way, I really believe
37:21
that. So if I sat down with anybody
37:22
right now, I would do this with them.
37:24
And later I'm claiming they'll they'll feel better afterwards.
37:31
It's just a great session. So what I'm going to do is I'm
37:33
going to talk to you. Then I'm going to tell you to
37:36
relax. Well, just let's get on with it
37:37
and see what happens. Is that OK?
37:38
Perfect. Obviously this will be, it'll be
37:40
shorter than I would normally do, but everything will be in
37:43
the other that we need to be in and we're just going to do it
37:45
like this. Are we?
37:46
Because this is a bit, we haven't, we haven't planned.
37:48
So we're just going to do it like that.
37:49
So I can imagine you're just a client and we're just going to
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go from there. Yeah.
37:52
And. We're going to assume.
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That before we start, everything's fine in your life.
37:56
But you've agreed with me that. Yeah, it's a strange thing.
37:59
Sometimes we all get a little bit anxious about this and about
38:01
the next thing we included, all of us.
38:03
And we'll we'll go with that and see, see where we are.
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Is that OK? Perfect.
38:08
OK, I didn't. For anyone else watching this,
38:10
just let me say that I always say the same things when you're
38:13
going online with anybody I tell.
38:15
I asked him if they're alone in the house.
38:18
Then I asked him to close their eyes.
38:19
I'm not going to do this in this case.
38:21
But then I tell them that if there was a fire in the house,
38:23
their eyes would open. If there was a gas, their eyes
38:27
would open. A smell of gas.
38:28
It could be in the house or out in the house.
38:29
Maybe they don't have gas. If anybody walks into this room
38:32
at that time, your eyes will open, and if you don't hear my
38:34
voice for longer than 10 seconds, your eyes will
38:36
automatically. Open.
38:37
I'm never quiet for that long. Is that OK?
38:40
They say yes. So that's the safety factors.
38:42
I do. And having said that, I'm saying
38:44
that, but I'm not going to put it in no, because it takes me a
38:47
lot longer to say that. So we'll just go straight for
38:49
it, assuming we've done that, Is that OK?
38:51
OK, all I need you to do is set by.
38:53
And by the way, here's my induction.
38:54
It's it's it's the easiest induction in the world.
38:57
You'll like it, I promise you. I didn't just take a nice deep
38:59
breath, close your eyes and just relax.
39:03
There we go. It's as simple as that.
39:06
All I want you to do is sit back, just drift and dream and
39:08
flow it. Into my voice, just the tambour
39:11
of my voice. It's just the it's just the
39:13
vibration of my voice. And as you do that, Adam, I
39:15
simply want you to to remember that I don't want you to help
39:18
me, but I don't want you to fight me.
39:19
Just allow there's a word. I want you to allow all that's
39:22
what to do. And we'll see where we go from
39:24
there. I think you'll really enjoy it.
39:27
I want you right now to concentrate on your heels until
39:30
your heels to just relax and just allow it to happen.
39:33
And as you allow your heels. To relax, you allow that same
39:36
relaxation. To go all.
39:37
Along the source of your feet, right into your toes.
39:41
How about that every nerve, every fiber, every muscle, just
39:44
completely let it go right there.
39:46
Feels absolutely fantastic. You know you simply allow.
39:51
You allow that same feeling to come all the way back to your
39:53
heels and right up and into your ankles.
39:57
I know you can allow it to go up and into your calves.
39:59
The skin, the hair, the bones, and right up now and into your
40:03
knees, the gristle there, the tendons.
40:07
And you just tell them to like, go, just say relax, you're
40:11
alone. Here's that word again.
40:12
I say a lot, don't I? You just allow that saying.
40:15
You don't try and make it happen.
40:16
You don't try and fight it. You simply allow you allow that
40:19
same relaxation to go up through all muscles of your thighs, into
40:23
your hips, around your hips, into the small of your back
40:26
right there. You know, around and into your
40:29
lower tummy right there. One of the Aborigines believe
40:32
this is where your brain is. Can you believe that highly
40:35
intelligent source of people telling you that that's probably
40:39
where we get that feeling, the gut feeling right there.
40:42
And you tell that that your lower tummy to just relax and
40:46
you allow you allow that same relaxation to go up through your
40:49
diaphragm into your heart and into your.
40:51
Lungs. Your lungs are breathing.
40:53
Perfectly. Your heart is beating absolutely
40:56
spot on. It goes into your shoulders now,
40:58
and it's almost like a step through the screen at this
41:01
point. You've got an imagination.
41:02
You're going to imagine me stepping through that screen and
41:05
walking behind you and taking my hands and placing it very gently
41:09
onto your shoulders just like that.
41:11
And my energy, just two human beings making contact.
41:14
My energy makes contact with you.
41:17
It's a healing energy, and you kind of load that to flow right
41:20
through you. As that relaxation goes from
41:22
your upper arms to your elbows to your forearms to your wrists,
41:26
to your hands, to your fingertips.
41:28
You might even feel, you might even feel a heartbeat and one
41:33
particular finger. Yeah, just like that, just like
41:36
a heartbeat and one particular finger.
41:41
But you allow this relaxation to go up to your shoulders again,
41:45
crossing into your chest. And all I want you to do at this
41:47
point, I had a mistake. One nice deep breath all the way
41:50
in for me. And as you let it go, you go 10
41:54
times deeper. You just relax completely.
41:56
But you stay in the chair. You don't pull off the chair.
41:58
You feel fantastic. And that's relaxation goes under
42:01
your shoulders again and into the back of your neck and the
42:04
back of your head at the top of your head and your forehead and
42:07
your eyes and the muscles round your eyes and your cheeks and
42:10
your lips and your mouth right on your throat again to your
42:14
chest and right down into your water.
42:15
Me and you just dream and you just float and you just let me
42:20
burns. You allow me to take you to a
42:23
wonderful, wonderful healing place.
42:26
It's all we're going to do. And I want you to allow right
42:28
now any forms of anxiety you have ever had in your life, any
42:34
anxiety you have ever had in your life, because this is the
42:36
first day for the rest of your life you allow that anxiety to
42:40
leave your body now. Just like like smoke spelling
42:44
away from a small campfire, just getting higher and higher and
42:49
higher through the sea and past the clouds, past the moon and
42:52
the stars to the far edge of the universe is just keep going
42:57
some. What's that?
43:01
Same with worries. We've all got worries of the
43:03
past, we've got some worries of the present for sure, and many
43:06
of us have got worries of the future.
43:08
We're going to take all of these in a bundle, Adam.
43:10
We're just going to let them go. So always of the past, present
43:13
and future, we just allow them to leave now and therefore
43:17
higher and higher till they 2 are just simply gone.
43:19
And you know, Adam, it's a funny thing that every human being
43:22
who's ever lived, me included, we all have feelings of guilt
43:26
and shame and remorse. Sometimes these other human
43:30
beings, they put it on us, do they?
43:31
They say we should feel guilty about this, are remorseful about
43:34
that. And we're thinking, well, I
43:36
don't think I've anything to feel guilty about.
43:37
But before we know it, we're feeling guilty.
43:40
It's ridiculous, isn't it? But don't worry about that.
43:43
Everybody's got something to feel guilty about.
43:45
And sometimes we are guilty and we say I'm really sorry about
43:47
what happened about then. I want to let that go and that's
43:50
OK. This is the day we get to do
43:52
that. So any old feelings of guilt or
43:54
feelings right now of guilt? Shame, and the most we let it
44:00
go. Now this is the day we just let
44:01
that stuff go. We let it float away from us
44:03
again, like I said, just like smoke spilling away from a small
44:07
comfort, just getting higher and higher and higher far the edge
44:12
of the universe where it's just keep going, leaving us feeling
44:18
just absolutely fantastic and all we do now, Adam, I leave you
44:23
right there and I take a kind of a sidestep and I talk to a pot
44:27
that's along with Adam. Hey, you could be a genie.
44:31
You could be a a Princess, you could be a a traveler in life
44:39
without him. You have been for thousands of
44:40
years. You can be a main guide.
44:42
I don't care. You could just be a part within
44:44
his subconscious. But I'm talking to you.
44:46
That spot has been looking after Adam all this time.
44:49
No one's ever thanked you. Can I do that now?
44:51
Thank you. Thank you so much for taking
44:53
care of this young man and giving him the life that he's
44:56
got. Make him choose the decisions
44:57
and he's choosing because he needs to choose these decisions
45:00
simply to do the right thing only because it's the right
45:03
thing to do. Thank you for everything you've
45:04
done and I give you, I bless him.
45:10
We want to do just a couple. More things with Adam.
45:12
If we can't here, we got rid of the anxieties.
45:13
And then what is the feelings of guilt, shame and remorse?
45:16
But we want to place something in there and let's go right
45:18
through his crown chakra at the very top of his head.
45:21
And I want to pour in something that Adam's never heard of.
45:24
I want to pour in some anthropole on importance of
45:27
anthropol that comes from the banks of the river Spear in the
45:30
Highlands of Scotland. It's a beautiful, magical thing.
45:35
It just pours. It's it's whiter than white.
45:37
It's almost silver and it flows and it glows and it's like a
45:40
liquid, but it's just like a light.
45:42
It was in through incomplete. Part of his brain.
45:49
Dante's muggler and it goes right through all of his body,
45:52
cleansing, every single part of healing.
45:54
And along with that, we put him 1000 CCS of confidence and
45:58
happiness. How about that?
46:00
That's all we want. That's all we need.
46:02
I will take care of the rest. We just want confidence and
46:05
happiness and beating and beating.
46:08
Beating more through his entire being, just allowing that to
46:14
happen, allowing him to feel fantastic.
46:19
That's it, just like that. I want to thank you for that.
46:22
I know we need to do something else, don't we?
46:28
I need to talk to Adam again. So, Adam, we've got rid of
46:31
anxieties. We've got rid of worries of the
46:33
past and worries of the present. What is of the future?
46:35
We've got rid of guilt, shame and remorse that's gone to the
46:38
farthest of the universe. But in its place we've poured
46:40
them some anthropole with confidence and happiness.
46:42
That confidence and happiness will some of any challenges you
46:45
can. Have in the future.
46:47
So with all the bad stuff gone and the good stuff and all I do
46:49
know is I build an impregnable bubble around you.
46:52
How about that? And it takes this long snap of a
46:56
finger. You know how this impregnable
46:59
bubble that you are safe and all the bad stuff is gone, all the
47:02
good stuff is in, bad stuff can't get back and the good
47:05
stuff can't get out. How cool is that?
47:07
But I believe you with a little warning.
47:08
It's just a funny thing that happens in people's lives Every
47:11
night again, you'll hear a little knock at the door.
47:13
It's. Totally gone.
47:17
And it will be like that anxiety, remember that anxiety,
47:20
it'll be a voice of that anxiety trying to get back in that's at
47:23
some time to time and you'll hear.
47:27
Me can I get back and? That's your job to just smile
47:31
and say, look, you're just an echo.
47:34
You're not even real. I've got an impregnable bubble
47:37
around me. You cannot get back in.
47:39
You're just an echo. Go flow, shame, grow, be better.
47:44
You're going to be great now if the anxiety continues by the way
47:49
we do. Item is this and it.
47:51
Sounds completely crazy, and that's what's wonderful about
47:54
it. You can do it in your
47:55
imagination or you can do it as I do in real form.
47:59
But. All I want you to do is this.
48:01
If that anxiety is but knocking again are not worries are not
48:05
feelings of guilt or shame and remorse aren't even real
48:07
anymore. All we do is this.
48:09
We take a nice deep breath all the way in and.
48:14
We just blow it away and it simply works.
48:20
Remember what we talked on earlier?
48:22
It simply works. We can even laugh at ourselves
48:25
while doing it. That works.
48:27
That works even better. But we need to get a deep breath
48:29
all the way in and we just blow it away and it feels fun,
48:38
fantastic. And that's how we went.
48:42
So, Adam I. Want you to sit back?
48:43
Relax and remember that you can do this anytime for the rest of
48:47
your life. You can talk.
48:47
There's wonderful parts within you, real or imagined, but I
48:51
like to call them real and you. You can take care of all
48:57
challenges. You've got and build up the
48:58
sense they've got within you. And remember always to safeguard
49:02
and ensure you have this wonderful impregnable bubble
49:05
always sealed to make sure that you are who you want to be and
49:08
can't do what you want to do. The second I've got to come to
49:11
all the way up to five, you've got to come on.
49:12
I'll be back feeling just absolutely brand new like you
49:14
for a 20 hours sleep in a fireball Marshall.
49:16
So one, being aware of my voice, 2, taking a nice drink of fresh
49:19
water and water. 3, awareness coming back into your body now.
49:22
And four, just take a nice deep breath all the way in for me.
49:25
And in five, you can open your eyes and you find yourself once
49:28
again fully clothed, just like before.
49:32
You might want to try that with your clients.
49:34
Lovely, fully clothed, just like before.
49:36
They love it. That's amazing, Bob.
49:39
Really enjoyed that. Yeah.
49:42
A fascinating journey. And and I love the tonality and
49:47
the, you know, it's you're you're a raconteur.
49:50
I think it's the right phrase. You know, you're.
49:52
I don't know what that means, buddy.
49:54
To watch it, you can take you can.
49:56
Take people on a journey. That was brilliant.
49:58
Bob, give us your website again so if anyone's curious to learn
50:01
more about you or work with you that they know how to find you.
50:04
Sure, it's simply my name. BOBBURNSBOBBURNS Bob Burns,
50:12
Sorry. So it's Bob Burns Hypnotherapy
50:15
and my e-mail is bobburnsthenumeral7@aol.com.
50:19
So if anyone wants to contact me direct, though there's an e-mail
50:22
in there, I'm far happy if you contact me directed Bob.
50:28
Burns 7 at AWOL. Dot com I reply to every single
50:32
one within 24 hours. Perfect.
50:33
So that's Bob Burns 7 at. Aol.com or check out Bob Burns
50:37
hypnotherapy online and you'll, you'll see Bob Burns website
50:40
there. Bob, it's been an absolute joy
50:41
to have you on the show today and thank you very much.
50:44
Love you being here. Take care and everybody.
50:46
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