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EPSTEIN'S CREEPY 'DENTIST CHAIR' REVEALED ON 'LOLITA ISLAND,' BOMBSHELL: EMAILS EMERGE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Epstein's creepy dentist chair on his Lolita Island revealed. And
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  Speaker 2: if that doesn't send a chill down your spine thinking
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  Speaker 2: of those little girls in a dentist room on a
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  Speaker 2: dentist chair on Lolita Island alone with Jeffrey Epstein the pedophile.
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  Speaker 2: Another bombshell tonight as damning emails emerge, implicating everyone from
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  Speaker 2: Prince Andrew all the way to high ups, wealthy successful
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  Speaker 2: individuals within the d C stratosphere. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. Jeffrey Epstein, May Epstein rot in hell play
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  Speaker 2: guilty to solicitation and procurement of the miners for sex
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  Speaker 2: as young as twelve years old were flown to Lolita Island.
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  Speaker 2: Will there finally be justice for Epstein victims?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 2: The so called Transparency Act, the Epstein Files Transparency Act
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  Speaker 2: has passed. But are there more delays and smoke screens?
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  Speaker 2: Is it just a big hoax?
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  Speaker 3: Listen?
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  Speaker 4: The Epstein Files Transparency Act passes the House in a
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  Speaker 4: nearly unanimous vote and heads straight to Trump's desk for approval.
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  Speaker 5: What did jenre Epstein mean the emails he said, you
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  Speaker 5: knew about the girls.
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  Speaker 6: I know nothing about that.
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  Speaker 7: That we'd have been now seven long time ago.
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  Speaker 8: It's really what did he mean when you spent all
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  Speaker 8: the time with Milklin, with the president of Harvard.
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  Speaker 9: You know that is Summers, Larry Summers.
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  Speaker 10: Whenever I say, has said all of the other people
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  Speaker 10: they spend time us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't like politics, but I can tell
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  Speaker 3: you this much.
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  Speaker 2: If I know about Jeffrey Epstein stating that Trump knew
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  Speaker 2: quote about the girls, that Trump knows about it.
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  Speaker 3: So that's deflection at its very best.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, joining US US political reporter for Dailymail dot com,
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  Speaker 2: on the Epstein scandal. From the get go, it's more
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  Speaker 2: than a scandal. This is about child molesstation on a
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  Speaker 2: world wide scale. I want the perps behind jail, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't care who they are.
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  Speaker 3: Why is Trump lying about that? I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 3: because he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and he thinks
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  Speaker 3: it tarnishes him or is it more? But he is right.
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  Speaker 2: People associated with JP Morgan, with Harvard appointees, within the
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  Speaker 2: DC political circuit, they're all going down.
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  Speaker 3: Marriages being destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: People leaving their jobs, resigning their positions because of Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 3: Do I care? H double l and oh don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I want the people that molested girls as young as
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  Speaker 2: twelve years old behind bars like all the other criminals
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  Speaker 2: that aren't rich and politically connected. What's happening. What's happening
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  Speaker 2: with the release of the document's Victoria Churchill?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely so. Congress passed, particularly on the House side
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  Speaker 11: the Epstein files. Every single member of Congress except for
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  Speaker 11: one voted for the legislation, and then it actually kind
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  Speaker 11: of snuck its way through the Senate. They did a
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  Speaker 11: legislative move called unanimous consent where they didn't actually kind
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  Speaker 11: of vote on it by voice or by recorded vote.
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  Speaker 3: It just passed.
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  Speaker 11: Because it had passed so overwhelmingly in the House, Senate
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  Speaker 11: Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was able to do that unanimous
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  Speaker 11: consent provision and pass those that bill, sending it to
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  Speaker 11: Trump's desk. Trump signed it. He signed it behind closed doors,
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  Speaker 11: which I think is notable because this is somebody that
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  Speaker 11: loves the signing ceremony in the Oval office. He loves
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  Speaker 11: to bring people that are related to whatever legislation he's
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  Speaker 11: signing in However, those Epstein victims did not get their
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  Speaker 11: visit to the Oval Office, and so that's kind of
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  Speaker 11: a contrast that we're seeing between the Oval Office versus
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  Speaker 11: members of Congress. Of course, Rocana, the Democrat, Thomas Massey,
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  Speaker 11: the Republican, were the leading people that led the charge
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  Speaker 11: on this and then as well as Marjorie Taylor Green,
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  Speaker 11: who has now announced that she's resigning after her very
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  Speaker 11: public clashes with Trump over the last few months, particularly
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  Speaker 11: on this issue. And so this legislation compelled the Department
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  Speaker 11: of Justice to release the files. But some of this
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  Speaker 11: footage that we're seeing now was actively preemptively released by
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  Speaker 11: Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. And these files dropped,
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  Speaker 11: of course, were made public, made national and international news
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  Speaker 11: because people implicated in these files, knowingly implicated in these
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  Speaker 11: files stretched not only in the US but.
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  Speaker 3: Also in the UK.
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  Speaker 11: But one thing that I thought was notable is that
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  Speaker 11: Thomas Massey during that last Epstein victims press conference that
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  Speaker 11: happened right before the vote on Capitol Hill, Massey actually
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  Speaker 11: said that the UK has done a better job dealing
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  Speaker 11: with the people related to Epstein in these files. Of course,
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  Speaker 11: notably Andrew and I will correct you, Nancy. He is
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  Speaker 11: now no longer Prince Andrew because he's been stripped of
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  Speaker 11: his title, and so.
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  Speaker 1: It's force of habit.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hard for me to call him by his
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  Speaker 3: first name, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, let me call on a brit to
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  Speaker 2: answer up to that, and I will let doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 2: Marshall drink in the interior. It's I call it low
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  Speaker 2: Lee to Island where girls as young as twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old were years old.
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  Speaker 3: We're ferried over for sex with Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: And his clients and friends made they all rot in hell,
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  Speaker 2: the virginal white, the whole interior decorp. Bethany Marshall, just
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  Speaker 2: drink that in I'm while I'm with Shooter, because that
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  Speaker 2: tells me I'll lot and what do you see the
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  Speaker 2: dentist's chair. But Rob Cheeter, I disagree vehemently with what
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  Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill just said, just part of it. Rob Cheeter
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  Speaker 2: is with me, hosts notughty but nice podcast. But he's
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  Speaker 2: author of a brand new book and it is on
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  Speaker 2: Amazon right now and it's selling out.
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  Speaker 3: It's great. I read it. It started with a whisper.
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  Speaker 3: I guess you name that. But Rob Shooter the Brits
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  Speaker 3: have done better than we have.
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  Speaker 1: That's crap.
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  Speaker 2: Technical legal term may not be part of the British
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  Speaker 2: legal system. Is Andrew still living rent free with servants, drivers,
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  Speaker 2: a stable, all the perks is not working.
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  Speaker 3: They've done nothing with him.
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  Speaker 10: You're one hundred percent riot and you don't feel this alone.
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  Speaker 10: The British public is outraged by this. This is a
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  Speaker 10: really really big issue for the monarchy and they've got
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  Speaker 10: to deal with this quickly. The problem they have is
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  Speaker 10: that Andrew a seventy five year lease. It is an
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  Speaker 10: iron clad lease on this palace called the Royal Lodge.
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  Speaker 10: It's thirty rooms, and so he's.
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  Speaker 2: Being kicked out of Royal Lodge even I know that.
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  Speaker 3: So what So he's been kicked out of one mansion
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  Speaker 3: and he's moving to another. Don't care. And you can
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  Speaker 3: just take.
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  Speaker 2: Down that union jack behind you, okay, because we hear
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  Speaker 2: the US are buying your book and supporting you.
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  Speaker 3: And there you are with a brit flag behind you.
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  Speaker 10: Nd see, I'm a person of the world. Many countries
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  Speaker 10: can enjoy the book. It's started with a whisper, which
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  Speaker 10: you are right, is an amazing book.
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  Speaker 9: So thank you for that.
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  Speaker 10: But Andrew back to Andrew. He's in this royal lodge
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  Speaker 10: until he really wants to leave. It's a terrible embarrassment.
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  Speaker 10: The King wants him out, the public wants him out.
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  Speaker 10: He's digging in his heels, which is to me, once
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  Speaker 10: again proving how tone Death, how clueless this man is.
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  Speaker 10: He thinks he's special. He's gone away with him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're saying, toned, clueless, Rob Shooter.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about tone Death. I care about the people.
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  Speaker 3: You know what. Let me go to Barry Levine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting nowhere with you, Rob, you're taking up for
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  Speaker 2: your fellow Brits. Barry Levine is with us author of
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  Speaker 2: a bestseller, The Spider Inside The Tangled Web of Jeffrey
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  Speaker 2: Epstein and Julanne Maxwell. He is a veteran investigative journalist,
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  Speaker 2: editor in both print and TV. I'd like to direct
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  Speaker 2: your attention, Barry Levine to Jeffrey Epstein's dental chair.
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  Speaker 3: Can I see the.
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  Speaker 2: Interior of as I call it, Lolita Island? How many
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  Speaker 2: little twelve year old girls do you think sat in
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  Speaker 2: that chair? I don't even want to think about what
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  Speaker 2: went on in that room.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, the room itself is creepy. You have all
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  Speaker 7: of these masks of men on the walls. I can
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  Speaker 7: tell you from the research I did for my book
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  Speaker 7: this that Jeffrey Epstein set up that room for his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 7: who was a dentist. She was from Belarus. He knew
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  Speaker 7: her from her twenties. He put her through dental school,
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  Speaker 7: and she would perform dental procedures in that room. What
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  Speaker 7: else went on in that room we don't know, but
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  Speaker 7: I can tell you that I would love to see
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  Speaker 7: the House Oversight Committee speak to her about what she knew.
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  Speaker 7: And I also want to point out very significantly that
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  Speaker 7: she was the last person to speak to him alive.
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  Speaker 7: Her lawyer told us for the book that she had
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  Speaker 7: no indication he was planning on taking his life. But
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  Speaker 7: this is a woman who was filled with secrets, who
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  Speaker 7: had known Jeffrey Epstein for more than ten years, and
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  Speaker 7: I would like to see her interviewed.
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  Speaker 3: Bary Levane.
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  Speaker 2: Let me have a tiny little lightning round with investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 2: journalist and author Barry Levine.
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  Speaker 3: This is a yes, no. That's what lightning around means.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein arranged the transport of
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  Speaker 2: girls as young as twelve years old from around the world,
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  Speaker 2: the stands, all the stands, Turkey, France to Lolita Island.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 7: It's absolutely true. And when they arrived, he had them
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  Speaker 7: dressed up in university and college sweatshirts to pretend that
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  Speaker 7: these girls were in fact older, looking older, but in fact,
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  Speaker 7: the people at the airport knew that they were young kids.
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  Speaker 2: And as of tonight, isn't it true, Barry Levine, that
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  Speaker 2: none of the let me put it bluntly, John's the
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  Speaker 2: men that were I'd like to say having sex, but
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  Speaker 2: that's not accurate with underage children.
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  Speaker 3: That statutory rape.
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  Speaker 2: Anything that they did, any penetration is statutory rape. Anything
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  Speaker 2: else is child moless station which is also a felony.
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  Speaker 3: None of them have been brought to justice. Isn't that true? Levin?
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  Speaker 7: It's absolutely true, Nancy, and Representative Massey has told us
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  Speaker 7: that there's twenty men that he's aware of that engaged
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  Speaker 7: in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking, and why these men have
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  Speaker 7: not been brought to justice? To me, that's the number
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  Speaker 7: one question that I hope the Epstein files will answer.
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  Speaker 7: Why did these men get off Why do these men
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  Speaker 7: not face any type of charges. We need to find out.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, I'm trying.
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  Speaker 2: But there's this little thing called Congress and the Oval
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  Speaker 2: Office that seemed to be thwarting me. Joining me right
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  Speaker 2: now is Lynn Shaw, Founder Executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed
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  Speaker 2: to ending human trafficking and sexploitation of children.
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  Speaker 3: They know of twenty just off the top of their head.
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  Speaker 2: The one source nothing has been done is delay, delay, delay.
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  Speaker 3: This so called Transparency Act went down.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's in jail, nobody's name, nobody's being prosecuted. Girls as
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  Speaker 2: young as twelve being ferried over to Lolita Island to
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  Speaker 2: be looked over like they were pieces of candy and
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  Speaker 2: a box of chocolates for old guys to molest. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: has happened Land, Nothing.
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  Speaker 12: And I don't like saying this, Nancy. I don't think
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  Speaker 12: we're really going to see anything happen. We've been talking
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  Speaker 12: about this case, fighting for our victims and our survivors
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  Speaker 12: for years now, and yes, we just had the the files.
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  Speaker 12: You know, Transparency Act passed in November. But you know what,
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  Speaker 12: there's a lot of silence on Capitol Hill. I just
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  Speaker 12: got back from Capitol Hill, and I asked a lot
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  Speaker 12: of questions, and nobody seems to be talking about it anymore.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to hear about we're gonna have more
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  Speaker 12: files released, because these files just prove to us there's
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  Speaker 12: nothing really new in them, or everything's redacted so you
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  Speaker 12: can't see anything anyway. Our focus is on these victims
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  Speaker 12: and their survivors, because all of this is again this
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  Speaker 12: power and this wealth. We're talking about twelve year olds, okay, fourteen,
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  Speaker 12: sixteen year olds, and.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing is being done.
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  Speaker 12: So there is a major failure, a major roadblock, and
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  Speaker 12: I really think we're just not going to ever get
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  Speaker 12: to the bottom of this, bottom of this. I don't
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  Speaker 12: like saying this at all.
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  Speaker 3: Please don't say never. Please don't say never. Please.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to have something to believe in.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to believe that there will. You believe justice.
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  Speaker 12: You believe in these brave women who have come forward,
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  Speaker 12: who are demanding, who march on Capitol Hill, who have
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  Speaker 12: gone to all the women's caucuses, They're going into all
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  Speaker 12: the offices, and they are demanding justice, and that's what
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  Speaker 12: we have hope for.
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  Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Alla is joining us out
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  Speaker 2: of La author of deal Breaker. You can see her
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  Speaker 2: on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot
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  Speaker 2: com Doctor Bethany. Back to the interior, there are about
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty photos and videos, and I would
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  Speaker 2: like to see them. Did you see doctor Bethany the Virginal. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a massage room one of them. The Virginal white
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  Speaker 2: interior of some of the rooms where the girls stayed.
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  Speaker 3: It almost looked like that girly furniture my sister and
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  Speaker 3: I had it there.
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  Speaker 2: You go at some all white, kind of antique twite
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  Speaker 2: with kind of a French twist to it for little girls,
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  Speaker 2: and much of the interior decor is like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's disgusting, you know, Nancy.
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  Speaker 13: This is not just an island. This is a sex club. Okay,
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  Speaker 13: So if you go inside in Los Angeles there's there
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  Speaker 13: are a number of sex club swingers, sex clubs, nightclubs,
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  Speaker 13: and usually they have various rooms or chambers. There could
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  Speaker 13: be an underage room. There could be a dentist room
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  Speaker 13: where somebody sits in the chair and the dentist comes
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  Speaker 13: in and performs procedures. There could even be an obgyn
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  Speaker 13: room where the woman lies back on a table, an
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  Speaker 13: exam table, while the doctor comes in and examines her vasionally.
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  Speaker 13: So these are all sex fantasies. This is not decor
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  Speaker 13: that would go into some average home or a hotel
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  Speaker 13: or something like this. This is this is the decor
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  Speaker 13: that you see in sex clubs. And what's disturbing is
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  Speaker 13: that this is an underage sex club. So what do
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  Speaker 13: you how do you decorate an underage sex club. You
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  Speaker 13: decorate it with furniture and decor that a twelve year
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  Speaker 13: old would like, fluffy chairs, everything in white, something that
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  Speaker 13: you could photograph for your Instagram. So this is one thing.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethory photos.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at this huge, gigantic kitchen, the beautiful exterior
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  Speaker 2: that goes out to the ocean. It's a lavish, lavish
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  Speaker 2: almost a castle set on an island. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: these girls are underprivileged, Light Virginia Jifrei Wise and many others.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they've never seen a home like this, Dr Bethany.
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  Speaker 13: So you know, we think about sex predators back in
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  Speaker 13: the day saying, oh, you know, you want to put
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  Speaker 13: my puppy, or here's some candy, little girl. This is
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  Speaker 13: the the new age version of Candy and a puppy.
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  Speaker 13: You give them a lavish setting on an island with politicians, actors, VIPs.
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  Speaker 13: Tell them they're going to rub elbows with the rich
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  Speaker 13: and and because of that they might become famous as well.
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  Speaker 13: What is that That's enticing a minor, That's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 13: He's enticing a minor with this particular scenario. But you
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  Speaker 13: know what he's also doing. He's enticing other sex predators
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  Speaker 13: to come to the island. So I think that's what's
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  Speaker 13: so amazing about these photos and everything that's being released,
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  Speaker 13: is we're going to see the other participants in these
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  Speaker 13: scenarios who took place in this lavish sex club for
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  Speaker 13: minors on an island. That's what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of statutory right described as a sex
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  Speaker 2: club for miners, but you said that. I didn't, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to ask Andrea Lewis, who is
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  Speaker 2: a partner partner at the Sarcey Law Firm in Palm Beach, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: where all of this first came to lit. When Epstein
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  Speaker 2: was actually charged and convicted, got a slap on the risk. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: he had a limo driver taking him wherever he wanted,
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  Speaker 2: slept a few nights in the Palm Beach jail. But
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  Speaker 2: did you know, Andrea, I want you to hear this,
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  Speaker 2: and Andrew Lewis, thanks for being with us tonight, that the
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  Speaker 2: documents that are going to be released under the Epstein
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  Speaker 2: File Transparency Act, we the taxpayers have already paid nearly
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  Speaker 2: one million dollars because there is a whole team one
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  Speaker 2: thousand employees working overtime, five thousand dollars, five thousand hours
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  Speaker 2: of overtime, one million dollars almost redacting names, redacting the
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  Speaker 2: truth listen.
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  Speaker 6: The Transparency Act requires Attorney General Bondi to release the
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  Speaker 6: remaining Epstein files by December nineteenth. Information can be redacted,
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  Speaker 6: the identity of victims, child sexual abuse materials, it's national
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  Speaker 6: security or ongoing investigation. Redactions must be disclosed to Congress
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  Speaker 6: with the Attorney General's justifications for withholding.
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  Speaker 4: FBI Director Patel assigns one thousand employees to redact the
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  Speaker 4: Epstein files, nearly five thousand hours of overtime. However, Bondie's
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  Speaker 4: Phase one release in February contained just sixty one of
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty pages reviewed, seventy percent of the
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  Speaker 4: overtime was approved in March, but only the raw MCC
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  Speaker 4: surveillance footage was released before the DOJ's July statement there
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  Speaker 4: was nothing else to see.
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  Speaker 7: Here's a money trail, more than one billion dollars in
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  Speaker 7: money that Jeffrey Epstein sent out to conduct his sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 7: The proof's in the pudding, and it's all there. It's
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  Speaker 7: all the financial records.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly one million dollars paid for five thousand hours of overtime,
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  Speaker 2: one thousand employees. We're paying to redact the files. So
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  Speaker 2: even though we're getting the files, we can't read them.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the black sharpie is. You can't tell I've
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  Speaker 2: redacted files myself.
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  Speaker 3: Angie Lewis.
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  Speaker 2: You're a veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor now with
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the Cercy law firm Palm Beach.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Redaction is approved by the US Supreme Court.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: For instance, if I had two defendants that I was
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: trying together instead of severing their murder case, if one
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: named the other, I'd have to redact that out. Why
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: because the other may not take the stand and subject
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: themselves to cross examination. So you can't have interlocking confessions
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: where one defendant won't take the standing be cross examined.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: There are many reasons, legitimate reasons for redacting. This is
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: not one of them.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: So suddenly we've.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Got another delay while all the minions are redacting the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: truth out of the files.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. And
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: that is really really a critical problem here that I
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: think needs to be highlighted. Hearing the word transparency thrown around,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: but is this really a transparent effort to get the
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: truth out? If you are redacting all of the critical,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: critical relevant information, including names, financial information, and all of
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: the other information in there that could potentially to lead
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: to other pedophiles, other wrongdoers being put behind bars, how
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: does that help us? How does that further us getting
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: justice and trying to get justice for these survivors.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: It doesn't.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: And the issues that you just highlighted that are in
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: fact legitimate times when redactions would be used in trial.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: The difference there is number one, there's a trial, there's
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a purpose, there's a reason to be doing it. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: number two, in those circumstances, you have multiple eyes on them,
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the defense and the you know, the prosecutors would all
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: agree as to what redactions need to be made.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Was just going to bring that up, Andrea.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: For every redaction that I did, the defense had to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: know about it, for all the parties, the judge had
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: to know about it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: The appellate courts knew about it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: They had the whole record, including the non redacted documents.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: But here this is.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: All being done in secrecy by minions within the DJ
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Department of Justice. I mean Barry Levine, author of The
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Spider inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallainne Maxwell.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Wait, do you see pictures I've.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Got of Gallaine Maxwell everywhere she goes at her let me,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I call it camp Bunny. It's for basically people with misdemeanors.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: She has an umbrella to shield her face, she gets
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: puppy time, umbrella time, and is basically using the Chief
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Warden as her personal assistant. I'll get to that later.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Barry Levine, what's being redacted? Break it down, give it
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to me in a nutshell.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, first of all, they're redacting victims' names. They're
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: also redacting what they deem national security related to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: We don't really understand. Which is bs. I agree. They're
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: also redacting information that could be used in other investigation,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: other investigations that they say there are ongoing. President Trump
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: demanded a new investigation related to Jeffrey Epstein for some
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: of his Democratic enemies, so it's quite possible that they're
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: redacting information related to those men. At the end of
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: the day, that is completely wrong. It's disgusting. We need
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: to get to the men who are involved in this.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I wonder if their names are being redacted for national
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: security purposes well, and all of the redactions, they seemingly
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: left one redaction out the name of the victims.
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: What are the next steps out of Attorney General for
• 24:08
  Speaker 14: the DOJ regarding the what we assume President Trump will
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: signed into law with the Epstein files. Is it going
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: to be on the Justice Department website? What are you
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: doing here over the next thirty days? As we understand it, we.
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: Will continue to follow the law with maximum transparency while
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: protecting victims.
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: The documents contain dozens of instances of unredacted victim names,
• 24:32
  Speaker 16: spreading panic among Epstein survivors. Attorneys representing victims file a
• 24:36
  Speaker 16: scathing motion with the federal judge demanding the DOJ improve
• 24:40
  Speaker 16: their review policy to prevent another release of potentially sensitive information.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: We were told there would be no new investigations, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: guess what there are?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Listen Man, Attorney General.
• 24:54
  Speaker 17: The DLJ statement earlier this year saying that the files
• 24:58
  Speaker 17: would not release mention the fact that the review of
• 25:02
  Speaker 17: the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any
• 25:06
  Speaker 17: additional investigation of third parties was warranted. What changed since
• 25:11
  Speaker 17: then that you launched this investigation?
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: Information that has come for information. There's information that new information,
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: additional information.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Days before signing the Transparency Act, Trump orders the DOJ
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: to investigate Epstein's ties to Bill Clinton, former Treasury Secretary
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Larry Summers, and LinkedIn co founder Reid Hoffmann. Also a
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: full review of JP Morgan Chase's failure to report Epstein's
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: suspicious financial activities until after his death. These new investigations
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: may postpone or halt the release of any more Epstein files.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, political reporter for the Dailymail dot com. So victims'
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: names managed to be outed, many many more names have
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: been redacted, and now a new investigation is being launched
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: into political enemies that are named in these documents.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: What this is is.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: A delay new investigations mean a delay in releasing all
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the documents.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That's what's happening right now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Do I really believe any of those people are going
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to be prosecuted?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. This is another delay tactic.
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, you're completely right on that, Nancy. And this
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: was something that members of Congress, particularly Thomas Massey, who,
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: of course we've mentioned several times on the show today.
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: This is something he warned about, and this is something
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: that he was asked about because this was a reason
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: that Speaker Mike Johnson didn't support the discharge petition originally,
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: is that, you know, he wanted to protect the victims exactly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: And so what Massei had actually said about this on
• 26:54
  Speaker 11: Capitol Hill numerous times is he said that the DOJ
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: can't open enough investigations to keep all of these files shut.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Why do we still not have the Epstein files. Well,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of theories out there.
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: Listen, the Epstein files didn't just drop yesterday. They were
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: dragged out of a system that never wanted us to
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: see them. So ask yourself, what kind of a democracy
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: needs a discharge petition to expose a sex trafficking network?
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: The Epstein files dropped, but no client list, no flight laws,
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: and definitely no accountability. And the DOJ they might still
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: be holding the most critical documents, surveillance footage, internal memos,
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: names that connect the dots, and they've got cover ongoing investigations,
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: privacy laws pending review.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: That's from Jane's on point one on TikTok, Barry Levine,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: he's right, you don't have to have an LM from
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: NYU to understand what's going on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: The guy's right, danc.
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: He's totally right. But the fact is is that part
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: of let discharge petition says that they can hold back
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: names of third parties who have not been charged, just
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: not to embarrass these men.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And there's more.
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: But let's be real. If this were anybody else, it'd
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: be public, dissect it and turn into a docu series
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: by now. But when it's billionaires and presidents, suddenly it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: all sealed and sacred. This isn't about conspiracy, it's about consistency.
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: Justice doesn't get to hide just because the names are expensive.
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: Justice for survivors means full transparency, no exceptions, no delays,
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: and no deals.
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: The cover up is so massive because if I was
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: being accused of anything like this. I would want everything
• 28:51
  Speaker 14: to come out to exonerate me, and he's not doing that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: So let's see what happens.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: That was at James on Point one, TikTok and this
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: American mess TikTok. You know, when you have the public
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: speaking out so vehemently, how can DC afford to sit
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: back and do nothing? We know we're getting stonewalled now.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Political rivals are being investigated. Five thousand million hours of redaction,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: A million dollars for minions to hide the truth.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: How long can they do it? Lynn Shaw? Who is hurting?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Are the victims?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: You think they care about third party investigations? About a
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars worth of reaction? These then girls, now women
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: are suffering for the rest of their lives ever what
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: was done to them on Lolita Island.
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and here's the thinking behind the scenes that I've
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: been told. Delay is the way we'll keep kicking this
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: can down the road. We will exhaust the public, We'll
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: use everything in our power to not address this, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: everybody eventually will just go away. That's what they think.
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: But I'm here to say the group of survivor women
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: that are so strong that have come forward not only
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: for themselves, but for all the women who have not
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: come forward. I remind everybody we're talking about children at
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: the time, sex trafficking rings and all this of miners.
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: Why is this such an issue? Why are they allowed
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: to get away with this?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, in the midst of all the accurate analysis,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you've got bizarre conspiracy theories emerging.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: They don't want to release the Epstein files because Epstein
• 30:35
  Speaker 18: is not dead. You could not pay me enough money
• 30:38
  Speaker 18: to believe that that man was dead. He was too
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: valuable to the whole system. So instead of him riding
• 30:45
  Speaker 18: in prison, they faked his death and got him out
• 30:48
  Speaker 18: so he could continue to run everything that he was running.
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: There was no way, absolutely no way that the bigger
• 30:56
  Speaker 18: powers that be, you know, the leaders of other countries,
• 31:00
  Speaker 18: we're gonna let him die.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: He's part too valuable.
• 31:04
  Speaker 18: So someone has him in another location and he's still
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: running this whole thing. That's what they don't want to
• 31:10
  Speaker 18: come out. Obviously, the pedo and you know that kind
• 31:18
  Speaker 18: of stuff is just the tip of it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: He's not dead.
• 31:22
  Speaker 18: That's what they don't want out.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Got's making my head hurt.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: At Karma is a cat seventeen seventeen on TikTok Epstein's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: did okay, So let's just start from there, okay, And
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: of course conspiracy cover up theories.
• 31:41
  Speaker 19: They're not this dumb Trump, Bongino, Cashpitel Panbandi. They're not
• 31:48
  Speaker 19: this dumb. You don't get into those positions of power
• 31:52
  Speaker 19: by being stupid. And I say this because it's just
• 31:56
  Speaker 19: not sitting right with me. The film that they released
• 32:01
  Speaker 19: obviously edited, proven that it was edited, missing a minute
• 32:04
  Speaker 19: of time. The whole cover up here is glaringly obviously
• 32:11
  Speaker 19: a cover up, and they're definitely lying. But I don't
• 32:17
  Speaker 19: know why they're lying. What's the angle.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: That is from at Brian WiFi?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Why on TikTok to Sidney Sumner joining US investigative reporter
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: At first he sounds a little crazy, but what he's
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: saying is not crazy.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: There was time there was a portion of the jail video.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see it as we're talking about it,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: the jail video the night Epstein was killed behind bars
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: that was missing.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: He's actually right, he is.
• 32:49
  Speaker 20: And they had to eat their words.
• 32:51
  Speaker 21: And re release that video with the missing minute two
• 32:55
  Speaker 21: months later, and all of this coming out with that statement,
• 32:59
  Speaker 21: So they were at least the surveillance footage that's obviously
• 33:02
  Speaker 21: edited with the statement that there's no more documents to see.
• 33:06
  Speaker 20: Well, what did those five thousand hours of reaction go into,
• 33:10
  Speaker 20: because it's not possibly the two hundred and twenty pages
• 33:13
  Speaker 20: they reviewed and released back in March.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And of course there's a never any stream of theories. Now,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I've got to say, Brian, why felt why was dead
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: on me?
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Listen to this.
• 33:28
  Speaker 22: New polls are coming out that are showing nearly seventy
• 33:30
  Speaker 22: percent of Americans seven out of ten people believe that
• 33:34
  Speaker 22: the Epstein case is being covered up right now. It's
• 33:36
  Speaker 22: no longer a conspiracy theory anymore. It's a vast majority
• 33:40
  Speaker 22: of Americans saying, I don't trust what the government is
• 33:43
  Speaker 22: telling me right now. But can you really blame us though?
• 33:45
  Speaker 22: I mean Epstein died under the most questionable circumstances possible.
• 33:49
  Speaker 22: I mean the guards were asleep, there's no surveillance footage,
• 33:52
  Speaker 22: and the client list is still sealed. The fact that
• 33:55
  Speaker 22: Republicans and Democrats are uniting on this issue should absolutely
• 33:59
  Speaker 22: tear the elites.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Actually he's not crazy either, that's at Devin Politics on Tiktoki.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: To Andrea Lewis joining US partner Circe Law Firm Palm Beach,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: where the whole thing started when Epstein was convicted but
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: got a baby sentence for it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Andrea, I recall a big drug case.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a triple homicide that was connected to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a drug case. A triple homicide, it was very difficult
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to prove, very difficult. Near the end of the case,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I found out the FEDS had surveillance that they would
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: not give me because it was part of a bigger
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: drug scenario. I'm talking about a drug lord from Columbia
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: was part of this. It was so much bigger than
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: my triple homicide case, and I really wrestled with that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Andrea, all I could
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: do was what I could do. I prosecuted the three
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: murders and got convictions. And here all of this vast network,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: this worldwide scheme, the politics, the Oval Office, the Democrats,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the Republicans.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I know one thing. These men need to be prosecuted,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and I want their names. That's what I know is true. Nancy.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: We need that information, and I think it's important for
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: each one of us to keep our eye on the
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: ball and to continue to demand it so that we
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: can get justice for these survivors. And what has been
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: constantly talked about in the media, and you've done an
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: excellent job of highlighting it and keeping it in the headlines,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: is what is the cost of the secrecy that the
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: government is continuing to insist upon. Well, it's this lack
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: of transparency causes it distrust within the public, It causes
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: conspiracy theories. It allows the people who are enablers and
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: predators to have time to cover their tracks. Meanwhile, anybody
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: in these powerful positions have to do is say enough
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: is enough, release the names, release the information the public
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: deserves to know.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And that is not happening.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Will we finally get the documents necessary to create that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: client list?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: The judges should release those documents.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Depositions, filings, nations, subpoenas, efidavits.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: This is what the public wants to see.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: We're talking about serious investigative materials that then function as evidence.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter or Congress is calling on Andrew Windsor aka
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, to fly over at our expense to testify
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: about what he knows regarding Epstein.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Listen a congressional letter invites Windsor to testify about Epstein's crime.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: It appears Windsor has no desire to clear his name,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: refusing to comment on Epstein's financial records containing notations such
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: as massage for Andrew.
• 37:09
  Speaker 16: As Windsor remained silent amid a renewed push for the
• 37:12
  Speaker 16: former royal to come clean. Victim's now calling for the
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: rest of his family to answer for him. Marina Leserda
• 37:18
  Speaker 16: says it's time for Sarah Ferguson and Princess's Beatrice and
• 37:22
  Speaker 16: Eugenie to come forward. Andrew publicly used his daughters as
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: an alibi.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: The more documents are released, the more trouble. Windsor could face,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: stripped of all titles, told to vacate the Royal Lodge,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: and under threat of private prosecution. Jail time could be
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: a real possibility. Experts believe there is more documentation of
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Windsor's crimes with Epstein, there's a real danger those records
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: will still not see the light of day.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Why is he being treated differently than everyone else. He's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: refusing to come and speak to Congress.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Why because he's got a lot to hide?
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: Rob Shooter, Yeah, absolutely right. Nancy Andrew's looking do this.
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: He's made it very clear he's not going to voluntarily
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: do this. So now it's time for us to make
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: him do it. It's time for King Charles, it's time
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: for the Royal family. It's time for the British government
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: to absolutely hand him over. He's not going to go willingly.
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: We've got to hand him over. And until we stand
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: up and do that, he's going to continue to hide,
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: to get away, to slink in the shadows. And so
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: I think it's time now, Nancy, that Britain has to
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: step up. The Palace has to step up, his children
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: has to step up and say here he is, we
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: have to hand him over.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We know that Prince Andrew is now trying to reunite
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: with his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, who has lived with
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: him throughout the years. I don't think they're both going
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: to fit into his new abode. However, we have arrangements
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: for both of them. They're called the Big House and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the Big Dollhouse. They can live separately for a while.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: More people are ending up as casualties to Epstein. That
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: would be Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. They are going to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: have their title stripped. It's seemingly only a matter of time.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: They are now turning down invitations from the royal family.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: They're torn between standing by their dad. So far they've
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: remained unscathed. What is in their future as a result
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of all this.
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: Their future Nancy is in the hands of their very
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: shady father. If Andrew can't do this for himself, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: he clearly can't, and he can't do it for the victims,
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: which is who he should really be doing it for,
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: do it for your kids. The only way these two
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: princesses have a future in Britain, have a future in
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: society is if their dad does the right thing. Now,
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: we should point out historically this is a man who
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: has always done the wrong thing. So I'm not holding
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: my breath here and I fear that the children will
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: be punished, although I should say here they have had
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: an extraordinary life because of their father, and so when
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: we say they did nothing wrong, maybe, but the life
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: they live is because of their privilege. Should that continue
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: now that we know the truth about their dad. That's
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: a debate that people are having. I don't want to
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: punish children for their parents' crimes, but they're part of this.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: They're part of this story, so they're casualties. Sarah Ferguson
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Grifter is a casualty. But now Fergie and Andrew are
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: launching a rebrand, what is that?
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: It is complete stupidity. It is a couple that thinks
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: they have a future and all that they have that's
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: a problem, is a pr problem, and it's not. This
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: is much much deeper. This is unfixable as long as
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: Andrew does not come forward and tell the truth. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: if he does tell the truth, we know what that truth.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: So that is not flexible here. Any attempt to rebrand
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: themselves to have a new image, as if they're putting
• 41:06
  Speaker 10: out a new pop album, as if they're Taylor Swift
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: of Madonna will not work. This story is going to
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: stick to them for the rest of their lives and
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: potentially their children too well.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: One more issue regarding them is I don't believe without
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Virginia Giffrey alive any longer to testify it against Andrew.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: That may be a dead end, But what about the.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Possibility Robshooter that Andrew can be prosecuted for misuse of
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: his position and misuse of the met The Metropolitan Police
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and or Scotland yard.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think both are very very much a serious
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: issue for him. If he indeed encouraged demanded his security
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: to dig up dirt on victims, that's a very serious crime.
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: Plus we've got to remember too, Andrew's finances are very dodgy.
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: Nobody really knows where his money comes from. The Royal
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: family do not like to talk about money. They don't
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: pay taxes on all their income. There's lots of loopholes here.
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: Andrew has opened up a kettle of fish now for
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: all the Royals because now people are wondering, how is
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: he paying, what is he doing for a living, how
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: does he have all this money? And so the investigations
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: into Andrew are just beginning. That they're far from over.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: And I do not remember anything. I can't have racked
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: my brain, that's me. But whether that's my hand or
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: whether that's the position, but I don't. I have simply
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: no recollection of a photograph ever being.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Taken from our friends at BBC. We still believe in justice.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: We still believe, even if it is naively so, that
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: there will be a vernic that speaks to the truth
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: if we don't give up. If you know or think
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you know anything that could help this case. Called the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: National Human Trafficking tip Line eight eight three seven three
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  Speaker 2: an eight eight eight repeat eight eight eight three seven
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  Speaker 2: three seven eight eight eight. We remember an American Hero,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Detective Timothy Jones Park Forest PD, Illinois, shot in the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Had only been on the force less than a year.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: American Hero detected Timothy Jokes. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.