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Jesse Rogers w/latest trade deadline rumors: AL/NL Central team plans, Geno landing spot · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: All right, we're talking to Jesse Rodgers in just a moment.
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Speaker 1: Let me just do do a quick thanks. We get
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Speaker 1: the games here and there. The Tigers have lost nine
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Speaker 1: to ten. They were just swept by the Pirates. Any
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Speaker 1: concern level for either of you before we bring on
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Speaker 1: Jesse or is it just a blip in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the season. Getting want to buy the Pirates before
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Speaker 1: the end of the first half and then they look fine?
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Speaker 2: Now yeah, I mean the Phillies. Phillies struggle bus against
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Speaker 2: the Pirates. They can Pirates can pitch. So to me,
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Speaker 2: the fact that, to me, the fact that they didn't
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Speaker 2: score runs against the Pirates is the concerning part, because
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Speaker 2: you feel like some of this lineup has been kind
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Speaker 2: of like ooh yeah, yeah, yeah, like we're we're in it,
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Speaker 2: We're not in it. Wow, this guy's having a career year.
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Speaker 2: Are those guys going to continue their career years? To me,
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Speaker 2: this is a great kick in the butt. Maybe they
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Speaker 2: go get a Hiniosuarez to solidify that line up.
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Speaker 1: Woo. All right, well, let's bring up the man of
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Speaker 1: the hour. Then that's Jesse Rogers, not Genosuarez. From ESPN
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Speaker 1: and ESPN dot Com Jesse. Great to have you back on.
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Speaker 1: I know you're hustling right now. Let's get right into it.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Gino Suarez could be a fit
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Speaker 1: for a team like the Tigers?
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Speaker 3: If not?
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Speaker 1: We talked a lot just now about a potential Nlcentral
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Speaker 1: battle with the Cubs and Brewers going after a bat
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Speaker 1: like that. What are you hearing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's go through it.
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Speaker 4: The Yankees, the Mets, Mark Viientos hasn't been very good,
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Speaker 4: the Brewers, the Cubs, the Mariners. Yes, Tigers. Absolutely, He's
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Speaker 4: a fit everywhere. He's a great clubhouse guy. He continues
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Speaker 4: to hit home runs, home road, doesn't matter, against all
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Speaker 4: sorts of pitching. I think there's going to be a
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Speaker 4: nice little battle for his services, especially for the teams
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Speaker 4: that are a little bit offensively depressed, which I wouldn't
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Speaker 4: necessarily include the Cubs in that category. The Brewers score runs,
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Speaker 4: they don't really slug as much, But any of these
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Speaker 4: teams could use him. I mean, it's gonna come down
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Speaker 4: to what are you offering?
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Speaker 3: Make my case?
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Speaker 4: And if I'm him, I have a four sales sign
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Speaker 4: on and I'm taking offers for a guy like Soarez.
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Speaker 4: It's a rare year where a third baseman slash DH
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Speaker 4: whatever you want to call him, is available or needed
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Speaker 4: by so many teams. So I think he's a fit
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Speaker 4: in all those cities and could really help some of
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Speaker 4: those teams.
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Speaker 3: That are having some struggles offensively.
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Speaker 2: Let's just sit at third base in the in the Central,
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Speaker 2: because all we hear from the Central is, oh, we
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Speaker 2: don't have a lot of money, we don't have this,
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Speaker 2: Well you Hinnosuarez, is it really going to cost a lot?
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Speaker 2: I get it. Five million for the rest of the
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Speaker 2: season is technically pro rated a lot for what's going
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Speaker 2: around in the Central. The one team that has money
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Speaker 2: the Cubs really don't spend that much money, is Ryan McMahon.
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Speaker 2: Somebody that is able to be sent to any of
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Speaker 2: the NLC central third baseman needed clubs because he plays defense.
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Speaker 2: He's not just a rental which low small market teams want,
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Speaker 2: but he's also costs money, which small market teams are saying, no,
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Speaker 2: we don't want to spend money.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: I kind of think he's the consolation prize to Suarez
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Speaker 4: and any of the teams that don't get him.
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Speaker 3: McMahon would be a fit.
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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think Suarez is great, but for
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Speaker 4: a rental, Hasan's gonna probably ask for a lot. May
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Speaker 4: may not end up getting a lot, but he's gonna
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Speaker 4: ask for a lot where McMahon's not gonna cost you
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Speaker 4: a lot no matter what. For some reason, he's not
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Speaker 4: hitting even in Colorado, which is strange. But he is
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Speaker 4: a plus defender. Maybe you put him in a better lineup,
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Speaker 4: for example, with the Chicago Cubs, you could split times
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Speaker 4: as a lefty in the box with Matt Shaw, who's
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Speaker 4: a righty. It could work out pretty well. He's facing
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Speaker 4: kind of the guys they want him to face, and
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Speaker 4: he certainly wouldn't be middle of the order guy.
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Speaker 3: So change of scenery certainly makes sense to me.
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Speaker 4: For Ryan McMahon, if you're trying to buy, you know,
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Speaker 4: some stock on him, thinking well, he didn't have a
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Speaker 4: great season in Colorado, well maybe a change will do
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Speaker 4: him good. So I think Suarez is the prize and
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Speaker 4: McMahon is the consolation prize.
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Speaker 5: I think you hit that perfectly. Another guy I've been
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Speaker 5: thinking about Seth Lugo. Play with him with the Mets.
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Speaker 5: Now with the Royals, he's got one more year with
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Speaker 5: a player option after this year. He is an appetizing starter.
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Speaker 5: He can actually relieve. I'm not saying he will, but
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Speaker 5: he can actually relieve too as well if needed. Talk
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Speaker 5: to me about what people are talking about about him,
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Speaker 5: and could you see him go somewhere else?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could stud pros pro.
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Speaker 4: I mean, what are the adjectives you can use that
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Speaker 4: describe him in a positive light? Tell me, because that's
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Speaker 4: what he is. I was at Wrigley Field yesterday. This
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Speaker 4: was a hitters day win, blowing out ninety five degrees
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Speaker 4: out there. He gets through six, keeps the ball in
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Speaker 4: the park. His counterpart, Colin Ray, gave up three two
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Speaker 4: run home run and then the Royals hit another two
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Speaker 4: runner run against the Cub's bullpen. So it was that
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Speaker 4: kind of a day for hitters, except not for Cub hitters.
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Speaker 4: So I mean, this guy can get it done. He's
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Speaker 4: a playoff caliber pitcher. I think that the line there
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Speaker 4: in the American League is Cleveland where they are.
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Speaker 3: In the wild card race.
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Speaker 4: They've played themselves into it over the last few weeks,
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Speaker 4: even after that long losing streak. I don't know if
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Speaker 4: Kansas City's done enough.
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Speaker 3: We've got a.
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Speaker 4: Few more days here, so we'll see but I'll tell
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Speaker 4: you what. He was a wily veteran seth luger in
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Speaker 4: the locker room afterwards. I was trying to get it
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Speaker 4: out of him, and he's just kept on saying, I want.
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Speaker 3: To stay here, I want to win here.
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Speaker 4: Vinnie Pascuatina was looking over and pointing at his locker.
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Speaker 4: I want that guy in Royal Blue next week. I
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Speaker 4: want him in Royal Blue. But he did say it's
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Speaker 4: up to us. They've got to get to five hundred
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Speaker 4: or better by next week. I think for JJ to
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Speaker 4: think that way, But this guy is going to be
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Speaker 4: a free agent more than likely. I just feel like
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Speaker 4: you could get something for him, so I think he's
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Speaker 4: more likely God than not.
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Speaker 2: We saw so many teams making the AL Central making
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Speaker 2: the playoffs last year from the Ale Central. Is it
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Speaker 2: a stronger Central Division this year? Meaning hey, you know what,
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Speaker 2: we definitely need to go get more players or is
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Speaker 2: it just all top heavy and there's only one really
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Speaker 2: good team who struggled recently in the Tigers, and so
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Speaker 2: the rest of the division has just kind of been mid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's that.
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Speaker 4: I think the rest of the division has been mid
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Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy how based in Chicago, I see
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Speaker 4: the Cubs every day. They remind me of an old
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Speaker 4: school American League lineup, and some of those Ale Central
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Speaker 4: teams remind me of old school l lineup where there's,
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Speaker 4: you know, some holes at the bottom of the lineup.
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Speaker 4: I think if Cleveland at times has that, Kansas City
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Speaker 4: certainly has that at times. Twins a little bit more
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Speaker 4: rounded when they're healthy. But the calculus has changed in
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Speaker 4: that division. Last year on August first, yeah, the Guardians
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Speaker 4: had a decent lead right after the trade deadline, but
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Speaker 4: that got whittled down to three games. On September first meeting,
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Speaker 4: the division was open, wide open in a sense, as
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Speaker 4: well as the wildcard. Well now you got to kiss
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Speaker 4: the division goodbye. Despite the Tiger slide here and the
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Speaker 4: Guardians kind of getting a little bit closer, so less
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Speaker 4: chance to make the postseason if you're in the AL Central.
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Speaker 4: For me, I could see the Guardians doing a little
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Speaker 4: buy and sell and staying in contention, and maybe even
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Speaker 4: Kansas City doing that. I mean, their manager yesterday was
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Speaker 4: trying to make that case. Sometimes you subtract and you
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Speaker 4: play better. Sometimes you add and play worse. Sometimes you
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Speaker 4: stay still and get hot. You just don't know. But
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Speaker 4: in general, I think Minnesota and Kansas City need to
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Speaker 4: be thinking more about next year, and that means trading.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the Twins could be the trade darlings, right,
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Speaker 4: trade deadline darlings. They've got expiring contracts, They've got pitchers
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Speaker 4: under team controlled teams would want. So I think Minnesota
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Speaker 4: is gonna be one of the more interesting teams.
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Speaker 2: In my mind, I was hoping you were going to
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Speaker 2: say Cleveland to me, I hate the fact that they're
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Speaker 2: winning here moving into the deadline and the Tigers are sliding.
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Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of fools gold if the
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Speaker 2: slide reverses, and to me it's more of like a
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Speaker 2: below five hundred team with the Guardians. Is there a
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Speaker 2: chance we see a big move because of money, or
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Speaker 2: a big move from Cleveland or a big move because
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Speaker 2: of Hey, we can rebuild like we always have and
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Speaker 2: be competitive again next year. When I talk about that,
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a Stephen Kwan e Manuel classe that
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Speaker 2: kind of like monstrous move from the Guardians.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think we could, and they could easily make that
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Speaker 4: case of we did this, but we think we could
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Speaker 4: still compete.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: That takes a strong, mentally tough manager to get that
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Speaker 4: message through. We saw this in Milwaukee when they traded
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Speaker 4: Josh Hater. I think the closer is the one guy
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Speaker 4: you could trade and still survive and just cross your fit.
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Speaker 4: The next man up in the ninth inning can give
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Speaker 4: you two months or six weeks and you can somehow compete.
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Speaker 4: I think you can do that trading a closer. I
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Speaker 4: don't know if you could trade Stephen Kuan, trade a
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Speaker 4: go glove caliber outfielder who leads off, who hits three hundred,
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Speaker 4: who doesn't strike out, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: You can't just.
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Speaker 4: Replace him if it's you know, it's easier said than done.
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Speaker 4: I think closers there's that chance someone can step up.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's telling what they do. But
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Speaker 4: if they trade Class A, I don't think they're necessarily waving.
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Speaker 3: The white flag.
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Speaker 4: If they trade Kwan or one of their major hitters
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Speaker 4: in the middle of that lineup, that's a different story.
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Speaker 1: I want to take us back to Minnesota said they're interesting.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of names, some guys
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Speaker 1: that are gonna hit free agency after this year, like
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Speaker 1: a Willie Castro, Harrison Bader. But then there are the
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Speaker 1: big boys, Joe, Ryan Griffin, Jacks Jan Duran. You want
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Speaker 1: to give us any like percentage chance that you think
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Speaker 1: any of those guys actually go I feel like sometimes
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Speaker 1: these teams will bring up these names, they'll listen, they
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Speaker 1: kind of get the evaluation of where everyone thinks they're at.
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Speaker 1: And it's no secret the Twins sometimes are difficult to
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Speaker 1: deal with, not and that they're not nice guys. They're
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Speaker 1: super Midwest nice, but they ask a lot and deservedly so.
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Speaker 1: So can someone actually pride these guys or are these
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Speaker 1: just names we're bringing up because they're falling off.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good question. The Twins.
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Speaker 4: Every year I feel like it described as one of
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Speaker 4: the most talented teams in baseball, and yet we don't
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Speaker 4: see it in the standings.
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Speaker 3: And that's with buckstet healthy. I get it.
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Speaker 4: When he's not healthy, they're not very good. But this
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Speaker 4: year they've been more healthy than most and.
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Speaker 3: They're still not very good.
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Speaker 4: They're very streaky, or they have been over the last
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Speaker 4: couple of years at least. So my point is, I
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Speaker 4: think they should change up the dynamic there. Obviously, the
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Speaker 4: expiring contracts and not the biggest Chris Paddock guy. He
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Speaker 4: doesn't miss bats. And you know, Cashro could definitely help.
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Speaker 4: Christian bagist Guez could probably help, and most catchers that
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Speaker 4: are veterans have you know, our veterans can.
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Speaker 3: There's a few other.
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Speaker 4: Free agents to be but you're right, the question is
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Speaker 4: the close of Duran and a guy like Joe Ryan
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Speaker 4: For sure, I'm gonna say the answer is, there's a
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Speaker 4: chance there's a percentage chance one of those good cost
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Speaker 4: control players could move to change up the dynamic. I'll
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Speaker 4: take the Cubs for example. The Cubs are at a
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Speaker 4: good spot. Their firm system is performing at the Triple
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Speaker 4: A level and maybe even at Double A right now.
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Speaker 4: Their top prospect going Casey. He's an outfielder, the only
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Speaker 4: guy left from the U Darvis trade five years ago.
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Speaker 4: He's not made his debut yet, he's playing his best
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Speaker 4: baseball right now. The Cubs have three or four young
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Speaker 4: hitters in their minor leagues that I would think some
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Speaker 4: teams from Kansas City to Pittsburgh, maybe even Minnesota would
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Speaker 4: cove it. These are some hitting, you know, deficient teams
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Speaker 4: that we're talking about. Maybe not as much with Minnesota,
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Speaker 4: but they are at times depending on.
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Speaker 3: Who's in that lineup and who's hurt.
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Speaker 4: So I think the Cubs match up with a bunch
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Speaker 4: of these teams that need hitters and have some good
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Speaker 4: pitching pirates with Mitch Keller, Joe Ryan, and I'm talking
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Speaker 4: about guys that have more than just two months left
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Speaker 4: on their deals or or are still going through the
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Speaker 4: arbitration system. So I think there's a match for the
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Speaker 4: twins with a bunch of teams, and the Cubs could
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Speaker 4: be one of them.
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee, we're getting to the point now where it's ridiculous
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Speaker 2: that every team does. Everybody doesn't pick Milwaukee to be
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Speaker 2: where they are right now. Even three weeks ago, nobody
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Speaker 2: would have said Milwaukee will have the best record in baseball,
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Speaker 2: Yet they do. Is this finally the year Mark Antonacio
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Speaker 2: gets off his wallet at the trade deadline and makes
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Speaker 2: a move for what they need? And what is that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be a little surprised if it was, because,
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Speaker 4: like the Cubs, they're at ninety six, ninety seven, ninety
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Speaker 4: eight percent chance to make the playoffs, Okay, and then
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Speaker 4: we know it's a roll of dice. However, they've had
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Speaker 4: a bunch of roles at the dice. And this is
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Speaker 4: why we're still seeing the big market teams usually win
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Speaker 4: the World Series because it takes three to four rounds
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Speaker 4: of lugging to do it.
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Speaker 3: Pitching and defense and speed gets you a little bit.
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Speaker 3: You still need to slug in.
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Speaker 4: The playoffs, and that's one thing that maybe the Brewers
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Speaker 4: don't have enough of, so Man Suarez would be a
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Speaker 4: perfect fit there. Maybe it is because they've seen that ceiling.
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Speaker 4: They've hit that ceiling so many times in the postseason.
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Speaker 4: It's time to break through, and you do that with sluggers.
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Speaker 4: But I will tell you, I just want to say,
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Speaker 4: you guys were players, like, how impressed? How impressive was
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Speaker 4: that run out of the All Star Break? I mean,
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Speaker 4: the Boston Red Sox won ten in a row. Hit
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Speaker 4: the break, it all changed, right, it came to Chicago,
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Speaker 4: lost a series. It's struggled a little bit on the
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Speaker 4: road here. Okay, it was a reset. The Brewers are
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Speaker 4: on a win streak all Star Break. Everybody scatters. They
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Speaker 4: go out to La to start, of all places, sweep
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers, practically sleep sweep the Mariners. Not an easy
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Speaker 4: place to play, lose a one nothing game. And even
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Speaker 4: after that one nothing game, I thought, okay, let down
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Speaker 4: for that finale road finale, right the wind Streaks. They
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Speaker 4: didn't have any letdown, just amazing, amazing run since Memorial Day.
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Speaker 4: For the Brewers, those fans do deserve a big trade
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Speaker 4: deadline acquisition.
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Speaker 3: I think they'll make moves. I don't know if they'll
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Speaker 3: make that big, big move.
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Speaker 2: Is there a sense that the NL Central is a
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Speaker 2: division that will not allow you to make big moves
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Speaker 2: because they're all kind of jumbled around and they go, well,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what did you say ninety eight to
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Speaker 2: make the playoffs? And the NL Central says, oh, that's okay,
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Speaker 2: we don't need to. But we're hearing rumors about the
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Speaker 2: Reds possibly having a reunion with Eddie Hanels Suarez. The
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Speaker 2: Reds are to me, and maybe you could tell me
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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong the wild card in this whole thing.
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Speaker 2: The Cubs were the best for the whole season. Now
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Speaker 2: the Brewers are and the Reds are just lurking and
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Speaker 2: they're not afraid to make some dumb moves financially. Is
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Speaker 2: that what it's going to take to get something done
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Speaker 2: for them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, this is no secret. But I've heard
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Speaker 3: Suarez loved this time there. He loved it. Actually, he's
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Speaker 3: like this time and all the stops.
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Speaker 4: So if there was a reunion in Seattle or Cincinnati,
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Speaker 4: Suarez would not be upset with that at all. He's
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Speaker 4: such a fun loving guy. He fits into any locker room. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: the Reds are interesting, the waiting and the Wings have
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Speaker 4: the best rotation in the division. I think we'd all
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Speaker 4: agree with that offense a little suspects Suarez again. Another
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Speaker 4: fit remains to be seen if they'd make that big move.
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Speaker 4: But I almost feel like when people ask me about
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Speaker 4: the Rangers leading to the deadline, you think Bruce Bochi
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Speaker 4: and Terry Francona have time to reset and now let's
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Speaker 4: you know, go young again and things like that.
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Speaker 3: No, and you see the Rangers actually playing some good baseball.
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Speaker 4: I think the Reds are gonna do everything they can
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Speaker 4: to add and make that push.
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Speaker 3: The worst thing. You know, here's your hope.
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Speaker 4: If you're a fan of one of these teams, you
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Speaker 4: hope your owner doesn't know about fangrafts. Because if you
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Speaker 4: go to fangrafs probabilities and you're at ninety seven percent
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Speaker 4: making it, now, why should I spend money and assets
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Speaker 4: to get to ninety eight percent. But of course it's
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Speaker 4: not just about making it, it's about doing some damage
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Speaker 4: in October as well. Whoever's at ninety seven percent now
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Speaker 4: to make the postseason, I guarantee you is no better
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Speaker 4: than ten percent to win it all.
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Speaker 5: I would agree with you to the fullest extent. I
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Speaker 5: think they have to that haven't really done that much
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Speaker 5: in recent years. They usually stay back and hopefully things
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Speaker 5: work out for themselves, and then they have some injuries.
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Speaker 5: But I want to go to another team in the
17:27
Speaker 5: NL Central, the Saint Louis Cardinals. They lost two out
17:29
Speaker 5: of three from the Rockies this past couple of days.
17:32
Speaker 5: We were talking about, you know, it just depends on
17:34
Speaker 5: what they kind of do against the Rockies. That might
17:36
Speaker 5: not have been the final straw. But where do you
17:38
Speaker 5: see this team going? Are they going to be sellers
17:41
Speaker 5: pretty soon?
17:41
Speaker 1: Here?
17:43
Speaker 3: I think they're going to try.
17:44
Speaker 4: I mean they've got to go to these guys and
17:45
Speaker 4: ask if they want to be traded.
17:47
Speaker 3: Michaelis Aeronatto, Sonny Gray.
17:50
Speaker 4: I mean, the big prize would be Ryan Helsley not
17:52
Speaker 4: having the same season he did a year ago, but
17:54
Speaker 4: still very very valuable to pair with your current closer,
17:58
Speaker 4: whoever that is. So the telltale sign is always to
18:02
Speaker 4: me the closer, like that's the first guy to go,
18:04
Speaker 4: because again, you could sort of survive it if you
18:06
Speaker 4: want to try to compete. But I imagine they're going
18:09
Speaker 4: to go to all their guys with no trade clauses.
18:11
Speaker 4: They already said goodbye to Fatti. It's crumbling in Saint
18:15
Speaker 4: louis not surprising. It was kind of tenuous the whole way.
18:19
Speaker 4: I give him tons of credit for playing as well
18:21
Speaker 4: as they did, but now they're playing poorly at exactly
18:24
Speaker 4: the worst time. I'd be surprised if they didn't sell
18:28
Speaker 4: a little bit, subtract at least a little bit, and
18:30
Speaker 4: then products still compete with their young players. That's the
18:33
Speaker 4: one thing they're going to do, continue to give runway
18:36
Speaker 4: to the young players. So I would suspect Hellsley is
18:38
Speaker 4: going to be out in the market and then they'll
18:40
Speaker 4: go to the guys with no trade clauses and see
18:42
Speaker 4: who wants to be.
18:42
Speaker 1: Moved there you go. Yeah, I'd love to see Sonny
18:45
Speaker 1: Gray join a contender. I just don't know if he's
18:48
Speaker 1: down to do it. We'll find out though, Jesse, great stuff.
18:50
Speaker 1: Thank you for hopping on with us. Really appreciate it.
18:53
Speaker 1: We're locked in on your articles on Twitter. The whole
18:55
Speaker 1: deal catches work on ESPN and ESPN dot com. We'll
18:58
Speaker 1: talk to you soon, Bob.
19:00
Speaker 4: Whenever AJ's there, I'm there for you. Take care, I
19:03
Speaker 4: mean not there, I bet not there. Whenever a sat there.
19:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we call. That's why we called. H'll
19:10
Speaker 3: be jealous that he missed you. Thanks Jesse, take care, guys.
19:13
Speaker 1: Great stuff from Jesse Rodgers there of course, and also
19:16
Speaker 1: a couple other things from yesterday. Sandy al Contra was
19:20
Speaker 1: dealing yesterday against the Padres Kratz. Is actually the first
19:24
Speaker 1: time that he went seven innings, completed seven innings this year.
19:27
Speaker 1: Remember in his heyday, pre Tommy John surgery, he was
19:31
Speaker 1: going deep into ballgames. So it's a good sign. That's
19:33
Speaker 1: a good audition in case the team wants to pry him.
19:37
Speaker 1: There's some reports out there that teams are going after
19:39
Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera more than Sandy al Contra just because he
19:42
Speaker 1: hasn't had the consistent run. I mean, his era is
19:45
Speaker 1: still in like the six and a half ish range.
19:48
Speaker 1: So what did you think of Sandy yesterday in just
19:51
Speaker 1: the State of the Marlins, Edward Cabrera has had an
19:54
Speaker 1: injury history. Again, it's a tough sell, though. If the
19:57
Speaker 1: Marlins keep dealing away guys who have many years of
19:59
Speaker 1: control left, at some point you got to be like,
20:02
Speaker 1: can we try.
20:04
Speaker 2: It's a tough watch. Honestly, it's a tough watch. Besides
20:07
Speaker 2: Kyle Stowers doing what he did right before the break
20:10
Speaker 2: like he's exciting. They have some exciting pieces. But to me,
20:14
Speaker 2: the part that really intrigues me about the Marlins, and
20:17
Speaker 2: I'm not watching yet, is night in and night out,
20:21
Speaker 2: their pitching is really great, Like they're creating pitching now.
20:26
Speaker 2: I want to see if it continues. Because they got
20:29
Speaker 2: rid of my guy who was the pitching development coordinator,
20:32
Speaker 2: Jeremy Powell in the minor leagues, and he developed a
20:35
Speaker 2: lot of these guys Ury Perez. Max Meyer was under
20:38
Speaker 2: his tutelage. Sandy's you know, I think he called Uri
20:43
Speaker 2: Perez up to the big leagues when he was in
20:45
Speaker 2: town the one time. So if they get rid of Sandy,
20:49
Speaker 2: to me, I don't hate that. I think it's a
20:53
Speaker 2: best case scenario for them to try to maximize value
20:57
Speaker 2: that he pitched, well, I think he's gonna probably get
21:00
Speaker 2: one more start, and at one more start, I didn't.
21:03
Speaker 2: I should have looked it up before I started talking
21:05
Speaker 2: about it. But who it's gonna be. You face the Padres,
21:08
Speaker 2: a playoff contending team, team everyone thinks is probably gonna
21:12
Speaker 2: be in the playoffs, and he does what he did.
21:15
Speaker 2: Like it shows he can rise to the occasion. You
21:17
Speaker 2: need time to come back from Tommy John surgery. Not
21:20
Speaker 2: everybody is at their top peak. But to me, Sandy
21:23
Speaker 2: al Contra at his best is a game changer. Could
21:27
Speaker 2: slot in on some teams number two or number three
21:31
Speaker 2: starters in a seven game series. Yeah, that's what he said.
21:34
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
21:36
Speaker 3: That's what he said.
21:37
Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he said. John Mazzelak,
21:43
Speaker 1: who has been running the Cardinals front office for a
21:45
Speaker 1: long time, is finishing up in that role. He'll still
21:48
Speaker 1: be part of the organization. But this one's interesting. I
21:51
Speaker 1: don't think we're talking enough about the Cardinals crats because
21:54
Speaker 1: now that they're starting to sink, they do have assets
21:57
Speaker 1: to sell. The trade deadline, it is a seller's market,
22:01
Speaker 1: and you have someone running a team only for a
22:03
Speaker 1: few more months having conversations with veteran players about waiving
22:07
Speaker 1: no trade clauses. Nolan Arnado, Sonny Gray, and Wilson Contreras
22:13
Speaker 1: all have no trade clauses. Do you think that any
22:16
Speaker 1: of them will move? And I'll give you some context here,
22:19
Speaker 1: most that he intends to get a good understanding of
22:22
Speaker 1: Arnado's no trade preferences leading up to the deadline. Remember
22:25
Speaker 1: in the off season they had him dealt to Houston
22:27
Speaker 1: and he took it back, So they would like to
22:30
Speaker 1: have the communication down before they do hours and hours
22:32
Speaker 1: of work. That's fair, he said, quote, I'll talk to
22:35
Speaker 1: Aronatto about the no trade clause. He hadn't as of
22:38
Speaker 1: this last quote when he spoke publicly, but said that's
22:40
Speaker 1: something he's going to have a good understanding of as
22:42
Speaker 1: they enter the final week here before the deadline. He said,
22:45
Speaker 1: right now, I would envision him being part of this
22:46
Speaker 1: in the future, but if something were to pop up,
22:48
Speaker 1: I would definitely discuss it with him.
22:50
Speaker 3: Thoughts.
22:51
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's there. So you have so
22:54
Speaker 2: many different layers with different things. Nolan Aronauta specifically, We've
22:59
Speaker 2: already talked about a Hennio Suarez, we talked about Ryan McMahon,
23:02
Speaker 2: guys that are gonna make impacts in lineups. Aernado is
23:07
Speaker 2: definitely a third place in the impact in the lineup
23:11
Speaker 2: and the sense that he could be better than McMahon.
23:14
Speaker 2: McMahon's having a down year, so you're getting maybe a
23:17
Speaker 2: player in McMahon who's gonna cost you less monetarily wise,
23:22
Speaker 2: but you're getting, you know, maybe a little bit weaker
23:24
Speaker 2: offense and definitely weaker defense. To me, you talk about
23:27
Speaker 2: Aeronado's defense, do you want because his offense is going
23:32
Speaker 2: to be a crap shoot. He started out April and
23:35
Speaker 2: part of May he was killing it. Now he's kind
23:38
Speaker 2: of falling back to rate just below average OPS plus
23:41
Speaker 2: for the season. Are you gonna say we'll take all
23:45
Speaker 2: of Aernado and the fact that the Cardinals were going
23:48
Speaker 2: to buy down a lot of his contract to get
23:50
Speaker 2: a prospect and take his defense and install it at
23:54
Speaker 2: third on a team that doesn't have very much defense Yankees?
23:59
Speaker 2: Or are you gonna go key Brian Hayes where the
24:01
Speaker 2: offensive ceiling is capped and you know it's not gonna
24:05
Speaker 2: be there. So to me, their defense, I still think
24:09
Speaker 2: Eronado is better. So after all these teams miss out
24:12
Speaker 2: on au Hennio Suarez, miss out on Ryan McMahon, or
24:15
Speaker 2: he's not available, they're gonna get a lot of chatter
24:18
Speaker 2: from Nolan Ernado. And I think Nolan Ernado will have
24:22
Speaker 2: extreme success if he goes to the Yankees, because he's
24:26
Speaker 2: been in two organizations that are behind analytically in the
24:29
Speaker 2: Rockies and the Cardinals, and then once he goes to
24:33
Speaker 2: the Yankees, because some of his teammates have gone there
24:35
Speaker 2: and known what the Yankees know and how to help
24:38
Speaker 2: fix those things. To me, Eronado gets the most play
24:41
Speaker 2: out of all of these guys, and I think he
24:43
Speaker 2: might be a dark horse.
24:46
Speaker 1: Do you think he gets out.
24:49
Speaker 5: I think he does. I think he will to the
24:52
Speaker 5: certain team, and you know, he's no trade clause, it's
24:56
Speaker 5: difficult to really get traded. But if it was a
24:58
Speaker 5: team in contention that was guaranteed a playoff spot, I
25:02
Speaker 5: think he definitely would. Remember we're talking about always going
25:06
Speaker 5: to go here and there, like it was a definite
25:08
Speaker 5: he was going to go. Like those are the times
25:09
Speaker 5: where guys really don't go. I feel like it's kind
25:12
Speaker 5: of been slow played a little bit where maybe the
25:14
Speaker 5: something might pop up, you know, early in trade rumors
25:17
Speaker 5: and once the time comes in August here, so we'll see, Uh,
25:21
Speaker 5: we'll see. I would love to see him go to
25:23
Speaker 5: a team that's in intention to see him in the
25:26
Speaker 5: playoffs a little bit more.
25:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I agree with you. I do think
25:31
Speaker 1: there are certain teams he just won't jump to. I
25:33
Speaker 1: don't know which teams those are. But if we go
25:37
Speaker 1: back on them, well, right, I mean, well, he said
25:40
Speaker 1: he would consider it, but maybe he was just being nice.
25:43
Speaker 1: Houston's a good point. There's four or five other teams
25:46
Speaker 1: that are interested in the third baseman, right? Would he
25:48
Speaker 1: go to Detroit? Would he go to Milwaukee? Kratz is
25:51
Speaker 1: mentioning New York. I don't know if the Yanks want him?
25:54
Speaker 1: Would he go to Chicago.
25:58
Speaker 3: Cubs not white?
26:00
Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows what his desire is? Is it location?
26:04
Speaker 2: Does the only one to go to the West Coast?
26:06
Speaker 2: Is it tax purposes? Does the next team have to say, hey,
26:10
Speaker 2: we'll take you know, we'll add this X to your
26:14
Speaker 2: contract to be able to cover the tax part of it.
26:16
Speaker 3: Who knows?
26:17
Speaker 2: Who knows what that is? Or maybe he's like I
26:20
Speaker 2: kind of like it. Here in Saint Louis, the fans
26:23
Speaker 2: like me for the most part, and I'll finish out
26:26
Speaker 2: here because I'm comfortable, or we'll talk about it in
26:29
Speaker 2: the off season. I don't know. It's too much speculation
26:32
Speaker 2: for me. I think he can help any of those
26:35
Speaker 2: teams that we have talked about all day today. This
26:37
Speaker 2: is third base, third base Thursday with the Todd That's.
26:42
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, a lot of third base talk. I mean
26:44
Speaker 1: that's because you have third base available. Some other positions
26:47
Speaker 1: are than like middle, endfield,