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Killer Dad Chris Watts gets fan mail and wants a do-over on his conviction while murdered Shanann's family gets death threats. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My daddy is that hero.
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Speaker 1: He helps me up trunk. He helped me. I'm not
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Speaker 1: good to read me my daddy, Daddy, I love you.
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Speaker 1: Four year old Bella and her little sister Celeste both
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Speaker 1: murdered along with their mother, Shannan Watts. I Meanancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. That was four year old Bella
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Speaker 1: sitting in the backseat of the family car singing a
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Speaker 1: hero song for her father, and it was recorded by
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Speaker 1: mom I'm Chanan and put on Facebook. Did I mention
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Speaker 1: pregnant mom Chanan before she was murdered? Now take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Chris Watts speaking to investigators telling them that
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Speaker 1: maybe it was having sex with his wife, maybe that
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Speaker 1: was the trigger point to murdering her. I wonder if
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Speaker 1: that last time was Shan having sex had a somewhat
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Speaker 1: of a rule and you're thinking, like a trigger, I
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Speaker 1: gotta do something, I gotta say something, we gotta have
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Speaker 1: a toad, something's gotta change. Is that accurate? I just
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Speaker 1: felt like it was like maybe like a trigger point
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Speaker 1: or something like it's like you get the popish footing
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Speaker 1: on the mom and just blow up right something. My
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Speaker 1: head was just saying something to say some of her
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Speaker 1: had to say something. Okay, So then exactly what did
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Speaker 1: you say and what happened? So when I little grew
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Speaker 1: up and he's like, we just gotta just gotta talk
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Speaker 1: it just like older, feel incredible, feel like this is
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Speaker 1: gonna work. I just you know, I don't want to, like,
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Speaker 1: can we cancel the trip to Aspen because she had
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Speaker 1: put the trip that week all go to some like
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Speaker 1: mystery four star Luxury of the Color or something just
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Speaker 1: the two of your whole family, Disney and her family.
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Speaker 1: She had a man there to watch the kids that
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Speaker 1: we that weekend or something, okay, And I was just
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Speaker 1: like trying to cancel that. Can we like do something
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Speaker 1: like that? I want? I remember I even said, can
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Speaker 1: we move to right just to get away from like
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Speaker 1: this house? Oh but like I'm not sure if that
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Speaker 1: was like like in the beginning with the end of
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Speaker 1: farther conversation or whatnot. That conversation with so many different
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Speaker 1: ways like they would take gun from like staying together
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Speaker 1: and to not staying together to just like all the books. Okay,
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Speaker 1: well you just heard it from the horse's mouth, killer Dad,
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts. Now let me understand this. So, somewhere between
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Speaker 1: having sex with his wife, his pregnant wife who just
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Speaker 1: comes home from an out of town trip working to
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Speaker 1: the bone during her pregnancy to support the family, somewhere
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Speaker 1: between her coming home and him straddling her and murdering her,
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Speaker 1: Between the sex and the murderer, he decides, somewhere in there,
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Speaker 1: he just he's just not in love with her anymore.
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Speaker 1: He loves her enough to have sex with her, but
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Speaker 1: he's just not in love with her anymore. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to what else he said. Whatever she says,
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Speaker 1: please like her on her place. I go from you
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Speaker 1: on the bed. That's just where I got on that.
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Speaker 1: So she would listen to him, fell like py List three,
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Speaker 1: just laying inside it. But I got on palper room,
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Speaker 1: and every time I fingered about it, I'm just like,
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Speaker 1: did I know I was gonna do that before I
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Speaker 1: got on pper Room? Really, that's an interesting thought, Chris.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what you need, just like you do.
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Speaker 1: Everything that happened that morning, I just got I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like I gotta try to go back in my head.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I didn't want to do this, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't he didn't want to do it, but he
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Speaker 1: just did. I remember a couple I was investigating their
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Speaker 1: case and the man shot the woman. Okay, and much
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Speaker 1: much like a situation like this one, and he was
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Speaker 1: asked her in plain negotiations. She asked him to his face,
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Speaker 1: why did you shoot me? He goes, I don't know, baby,
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Speaker 1: you know with me? In All Star panel, Daryl co
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Speaker 1: informer prosecutor turned defense attorney, Joseph Scott Morgan, profess to
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Speaker 1: Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoan Alice joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Hollywood, and doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: for the State of Florida. Right now to Alexis tres
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Speaker 1: Chuck Radar Online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, this is
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Speaker 1: so self indulgent that this interview they're having with killer
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Speaker 1: Dad Chris Watts, where he's talking about I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I knew when I straddled her right then was
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Speaker 1: I going to kill her? To h E double l
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Speaker 1: with him? It doesn't matter to me. What is the latest?
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about Chris Watts's final photos
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Speaker 1: he took of his wife and daughters just before he
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Speaker 1: murdered them so he could start a new life with
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Speaker 1: his mistress. What about these photos? Chris Watts has a
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Speaker 1: series of photos that he said that he took right
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Speaker 1: before he killed them. This was these girls on this
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Speaker 1: last day, the last day of their life. He was
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Speaker 1: alone with them because mommy Shnanne was out of town,
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Speaker 1: halfway across the country, working so hard, fifteen weeks pregnant,
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Speaker 1: far enough along in her pregnancy that she knew it
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Speaker 1: was a boy. They had a name picked out for
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Speaker 1: this baby. She was so excited to have another child
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Speaker 1: with Chris and she who had just told everybody how
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Speaker 1: in love they were. And then he blind insides her
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Speaker 1: with the news that he is having an affair. She
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Speaker 1: catches him while she is out of town, her last
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Speaker 1: day's alive. She is out of town working so hard.
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Speaker 1: She didn't want to leave those little girls. They were
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Speaker 1: her life. And she goes out of town and a
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Speaker 1: credit card bill pops up for fifty dollars and she thinks,
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Speaker 1: what on earth is my husband doing. We don't have
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Speaker 1: any money at all. Why is he at a restaurant
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Speaker 1: spending fifty dollars on dinner that certainly isn't him alone
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Speaker 1: and confronts him with it. So her last moments hours
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Speaker 1: on earth are her knowing that her husband has been
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Speaker 1: cheating on her. She's pregnant with their third child, and
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Speaker 1: this is how he treats her. So the pictures are
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Speaker 1: the last photos that he has taken of these little girls,
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Speaker 1: their very last day on earth, and he has these
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Speaker 1: photos up in his prison cellf You know, I'm very curious.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photos and one looks like Shannan
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Speaker 1: in a swimsuit outside and I'm saying she's by a
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Speaker 1: pool because she doesn't have on any makeup. She's a
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Speaker 1: natural beauty. And the other looks to me to be
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Speaker 1: abellage four. Her little sister, celestis aged three, with the
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Speaker 1: family dog. Ooh, now, I just pulled up a picture
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Speaker 1: of him and his lover, his mistress, Nicole Cassenger, you know,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor turned defense attorney, Daryl Cohen. I've
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Speaker 1: got a question, how come he realizes he's not in
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Speaker 1: love with her after he has sex with her. If
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Speaker 1: he's not in love with her, why have sex with her?
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Speaker 1: That's an age old question. Well, that's an answer that
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Speaker 1: I can't give you. But obviously dancy either of those
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Speaker 1: who have sex just because sex is available, and maybe
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Speaker 1: he wanted to make it his parting shot to say goodbye.
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Speaker 1: I would have set off for just a little wave
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Speaker 1: at the door and don't let the screen door hitch
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Speaker 1: in the rear end on your way out once. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: could you get my boot out of your ass? But
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Speaker 1: you know that's a whole other can of worms. So
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Speaker 1: you know, I think we need to shrink Doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: Gallagher rightnown Medical Examina or for the Santa Floria. I
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Speaker 1: was just about to go to you, but I got
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Speaker 1: to ask doctor Bethany a question. I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: He says he's not in love with her, he's planning
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Speaker 1: a life with a mistress, but he manages to have
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Speaker 1: sex with her. He cares enough about her to have
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Speaker 1: sex with her just before he murders her dead in
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Speaker 1: the same bed he just had sex. Well, I have
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Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts about that. One is that if
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Speaker 1: you think of the profile, oh, I can't wait to
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Speaker 1: hear the profile of the sociopath. They are very self indulgent,
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Speaker 1: they're very thrill seeking, they only think about their own pleasure,
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Speaker 1: and it might have been as pleasurable to have sex
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Speaker 1: as it was to kill her. You know that this
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Speaker 1: was all an excited anticipation of a new, idealized life
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Speaker 1: he was going to have with his new girlfriend, and
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Speaker 1: it put him in an aroused state, an excited state,
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Speaker 1: and she was just an object to use at that point.
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Speaker 1: The other thing about sociopath is that they have very
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Speaker 1: shallow emotional lives, So acts that they might take that
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Speaker 1: would seem appear deep to you and me are not
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Speaker 1: deep to them at all. So sex is just like
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Speaker 1: a masturbatory act. It's just perfunctory. It's not meaningful. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they love the other person. It's just
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Speaker 1: a self gratifying gesture. Okay, I think what you just
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Speaker 1: said was a user Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guess what, girls,
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Speaker 1: Mommy has a baby in her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Are you really excited? Oh my goodness, don't give me
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Speaker 1: a huts. Oh yeah, I love you. That's Shenanne Watts
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Speaker 1: telling our two little girls, Bella and Celeste, ages four
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Speaker 1: and three, they're gonna have a little baby brother. Nico.
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Speaker 1: Now take a Listen to another short clip where Sananne
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Speaker 1: posted this. She surprised her husband now known as Kill
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Speaker 1: her dad Chris Watts, about the pregnancy. Oh I bet sure,
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Speaker 1: really really, that's all so pink means. That's just the test.
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Speaker 1: Just the pink is gonna be girls. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: it's the test. That's awesome. Yes, guess guess when you
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Speaker 1: want see what happens. Wow, did you hear that last thing?
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Speaker 1: He goes, Wow, it seems a little underwhelmed. Huh really awesome? Okay,
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Speaker 1: not exactly. You could tell in her voice it's just
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Speaker 1: a test that she was not happy with his reaction.
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Speaker 1: And then shortly after that, Chris Watts is on another video,
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Speaker 1: but this time he's being interviewed by Denverse sevens Thomas
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Speaker 1: hop All. I mean, it wasn't like her not to
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Speaker 1: answer a phone call or a text. And when her
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Speaker 1: friend Nicole showed up at the door, I was like,
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Speaker 1: all right, something and something's up. And uh, I came
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Speaker 1: home and it was like I walked into a ghost town.
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Speaker 1: Like everything. She wasn't here, kids weren't here. It was
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Speaker 1: like they was just they were here and then they
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Speaker 1: were gone, like Nan Bell and Celeste. If you're out there,
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Speaker 1: please come home, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just
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Speaker 1: just come back. Like if somebody has her, just please
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Speaker 1: bring her back. I need to see everybody. I need
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Speaker 1: to see everybody again. This house is not complete without
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Speaker 1: anybody here. Let's bring back What a load of crap
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Speaker 1: that is killer Dad Chris Watts. And if you look
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Speaker 1: at his body language, is he standing on his front
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Speaker 1: porch begging for the return of his two little girls
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Speaker 1: and their pregnant moms. Chanan, it's just so contrived and
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Speaker 1: so fake. Um with me an all star panel, Alexis
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Speaker 1: tres Chuck Right Online dot Com, investigative reporter, doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: Gallagher in me Out of Florida, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan for his expert, and defense attorney Daryl Cohen.
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Speaker 1: So Alexis Terreschuk. We know now that the photos he
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Speaker 1: had just taken of the girls and his wife, along
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Speaker 1: with those of his mistress, were on his phone, and
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Speaker 1: we're now seeing all of the pictures. But I understand
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Speaker 1: that also the murder house has gone on sale. It
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Speaker 1: is it is up for auction, but the auction has
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Speaker 1: been delayed. This is the home where investigators and prosecutors
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Speaker 1: say that all of the children were both children were murdered,
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Speaker 1: and where Shenan was murdered, and then he took them
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Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night, and he was
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Speaker 1: caught on video by his neighbor's security camera putting bodies
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Speaker 1: into the pickup truck and driving them away in the
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Speaker 1: dark of the night. So this home, no one lives
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Speaker 1: there anymore. They were very heavily in debt for this home,
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Speaker 1: but it is going to go up for auction, but
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Speaker 1: the auction keeps getting delayed. Obviously, no one wants to
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Speaker 1: live in a murder house, you know. I'm thinking back
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Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the state of Florida,
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Speaker 1: where he says, I didn't know that I was going
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Speaker 1: to strangle her. How long does it take to murder
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Speaker 1: by strangulation, manual strangulation, and adult Well, that's a good question, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: When the hands are put around the neck and the
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Speaker 1: blood supply to the brain is cut off, it takes
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Speaker 1: about three minutes before irreversible brain damage occurs. And then
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Speaker 1: after irreversible brain damage occurs, then death will follow shortly thereafter.
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Speaker 1: So it takes a good three minutes to actually murder
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Speaker 1: somebody by a strangulation. Well, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: that was a test. Dodtor Gallagher take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: I just felt like it was I don't even want
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Speaker 1: to say it, feel like I had to. I just
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Speaker 1: felt like there was always something in my mind that
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Speaker 1: was the planet. I was going to do it, and
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Speaker 1: I will go down the morning it was gonna happen,
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Speaker 1: and I no control of it. He never had another apport.
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Speaker 1: It was just like I don't want one place. But
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Speaker 1: just like then the sensing hearing that trust your two
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Speaker 1: or four minutes or something might have happened. Why why
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Speaker 1: can't I just let go? Feeling like it was in
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Speaker 1: motion and you just couldn't stop it. It was just like,
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to know is where she thought
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Speaker 1: would look back at you? What was she doing? Wh
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Speaker 1: do you think she wasn't fighting? It was maybe she
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Speaker 1: was praying. She was praying and not fighting back to
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Speaker 1: Justseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My Feet. What would you
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Speaker 1: have expected to find in the room if she had
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Speaker 1: fought back. Well, you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 1: that we would be looking for in in in a
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Speaker 1: case like this is to see things like upturned furniture,
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Speaker 1: things that are in great disarray, maybe things are broken.
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Speaker 1: Uh And and also you think about like the bed sheets,
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Speaker 1: this sort of thing is their blood there uh are
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Speaker 1: are there are there things that are kind of ripped
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Speaker 1: apart in a skew. When you look in this in
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Speaker 1: this otherwise orderly environment, you know, you know, you have
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Speaker 1: to look at things relative to crimes, the context, the
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Speaker 1: abnormal in the presence of what is otherwise normal for
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Speaker 1: our eyes. So anything that's going to stand out like that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: what we're learning is that he climbed, she didn't fight back. Listen,
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Speaker 1: Son take off in septect For the principles and my account,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't going to be any here ms down there,
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Speaker 1: not that I remember. So I don't think like I
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Speaker 1: moved towards my knees or from her arms or anything.
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Speaker 1: They just kind of like when my goss offer always
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Speaker 1: we start talking at least that with it just kind
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Speaker 1: of like in my head for like in the back
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Speaker 1: of my head, that's going to happen and just like
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Speaker 1: I had a conversation. It's just like, that's right, I
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Speaker 1: could have let go. It seem like it was so
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Speaker 1: long too for him. Tell him to the centrion, I
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Speaker 1: look gone, feel like it was I feel like it
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Speaker 1: was longer, almost fell the time was standing still. Gallagher
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Speaker 1: was on my life, just disappearance from my eyes. But
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Speaker 1: they're just like I couldn't let go. Former prosecutor, current
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Speaker 1: defense attorney Daryl Cohen. That's not helping him at all
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Speaker 1: because he's saying it took two to four minutes. That's
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Speaker 1: plenty of time where he could have stopped. That's time
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Speaker 1: to form premeditation. Oh absolutely, And you and I both
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Speaker 1: know that premeditation can be in an instant, but two
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Speaker 1: to four minutes he could have stopped, over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again. This guy is just pure evil too.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner joining us out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, could you break it down in regular people
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Speaker 1: talk and explain what Nan would have gone through as
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Speaker 1: she was being strangled, what the human body and psyche
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Speaker 1: goes through. Absolutely normally when the hand is put on
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Speaker 1: the neck and it is and the arteries and veins
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Speaker 1: are compressed, and the airway is compressed, it won't take
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Speaker 1: long for the person to pass out. Sometimes it takes
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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seconds before the person will pass out, but
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Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean they're dead or they're dying. They
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Speaker 1: can be revived at that point. If you go pass
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Speaker 1: that then what we spoke about before the brain cells
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Speaker 1: start to die, the lungs don't receive the signal from
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Speaker 1: the brain that they have to breathe, and then the
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Speaker 1: person expires shortly thereafter. Prime Stories with Nancy, She's gone
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Speaker 1: and just say I didn't didn't know what was going on.
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Speaker 1: It's like it was like a traumatic I don't know
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Speaker 1: what you call a traumatic event type and everything, like
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Speaker 1: I was shaking. I didn't know what had happened. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I didn't know what I
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Speaker 1: had done. I still wouldn't that I stayed of mind.
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Speaker 1: I don't think like like I was in control of
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Speaker 1: what I could think of what I could do at
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Speaker 1: that point in time. And most people say it like,
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Speaker 1: well I just called nine one one, when I was like,
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Speaker 1: unless you're in that situation, you don't you don't know,
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Speaker 1: we don't know what you would have done. It's easy
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Speaker 1: to play when they weren't quarterback. I agree with that.
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Speaker 1: That's what happened next looking around, So it happened bilit human.
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Speaker 1: But she said did she hear something because I said
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Speaker 1: mommy doesn't feel good. Well, that's an understatement because mommy
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Speaker 1: is dead pregnant. Shenan Watts has just quote had sex
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Speaker 1: with killer dad Chris Watts, and then he murders her
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Speaker 1: after announcing to her he's not in love with her anymore.
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Speaker 1: You know what's super creepy about that? Seems like he
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Speaker 1: seemingly enjoys recounting what happened. And now the murder house
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Speaker 1: of Chris and Shenan Watts and Frederick going to auction
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Speaker 1: in Weld County in just a few days. This is
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Speaker 1: after the murders of nan Bella and Celeste Watts. Their
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Speaker 1: Frederick home is sitting emptied abandoned. There are abandoned house
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Speaker 1: notices taped to the front door, along with stuffed animals
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Speaker 1: and balloons and flowers. The five bedroom, bathroom house goes
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Speaker 1: up for auction. According to what we have learned from
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Speaker 1: Weld County Trustee records, it's in default. The neighborhood has
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Speaker 1: tried to move on, but they haven't been able to.
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Speaker 1: Everyone goes by the home every day and thinks of
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Speaker 1: the moment Chris Watts smothered his two little girls and
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Speaker 1: forced their bodies into oil tanks at the fields of
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Speaker 1: an a darko. Not only that, at this hour Chris
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Speaker 1: Watts having love letters pouring into the jail. I just
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Speaker 1: don't understand how he enjoys recounting what happened to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalys out of Hollywood. He tells detectives, actually
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Speaker 1: take a listen to him what he tells detectives. So
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Speaker 1: she lafe and she put the blake over it, and
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Speaker 1: that's how she gossed. Put the blake over out. I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to go Now. I look outside every day
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Speaker 1: and like, what can you be doing right now? Right now,
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Speaker 1: I'd have a five year old, a three year old
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Speaker 1: and one might be a one month old son and
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Speaker 1: a food. Now it's just me, me, me, me, me,
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Speaker 1: me me me. I look out the window and I
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Speaker 1: think I would have a five year old and a
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Speaker 1: three year old and a beautiful wife, and I would
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Speaker 1: have a one month old son and now it's just me.
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Speaker 1: Wait weep, Doctor Bethany Marshall. It's like he's talking about, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I had a Mercedes, and I had a Cadillac, and
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Speaker 1: I had a Harley Davidson. Now I don't have him anymore. Wow. Right, Well,
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Speaker 1: you have to remember that with people who have severe
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Speaker 1: personality disorders, meaning their personality is constructed in such a
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Speaker 1: way that it's maladaptive for relating to other people, everything
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Speaker 1: that they do is attention getting. So at the moment
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Speaker 1: of being interviewed by the detective, he's not thinking, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to jail. He's thinking, Wow, this is fun.
23:26
Speaker 1: Lots of attention here, and in fact, he might even
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Speaker 1: be experiencing this as if he's a celebrity or a
23:33
Speaker 1: person of notoriety. You know, he's having his day, not
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Speaker 1: his day in court, but it's day where he's getting
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Speaker 1: a lot of attention. And you know those that tape
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Speaker 1: you played earlier where he said, you know, there was
23:46
Speaker 1: this feeling at the back of my head and it's
23:48
Speaker 1: as if somebody else's hands were around mine and my
23:52
Speaker 1: needs hurt. And I think she was praying. It was
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Speaker 1: like she was praying. He's really minimizing the maliciousness of
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Speaker 1: his He's making it seem as if you know, the
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Speaker 1: devil was in him making him do it. And then
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Speaker 1: the second clip you played is like he's into full
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Speaker 1: on enjoyment in this interview. He is having a great time.
24:13
Speaker 1: And you know, I've said so many times on your show,
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Speaker 1: sociopaths do not have big picture thinking. He's not putting
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Speaker 1: two and two together that he is heading to ptitentiary.
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Speaker 1: He is just thinking, this is a really great time
24:25
Speaker 1: I'm having right now with these detectives speaking of psychological issues.
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Speaker 1: Real to say their home is considered psychologically impacted, the
24:36
Speaker 1: home is or stigmatized. I would certainly want to know
24:43
Speaker 1: if there have been a murder much let's say, triple
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Speaker 1: homicide in a home I was buying. The real estate
24:50
Speaker 1: laws protect home purchasers. You don't want to find out
24:56
Speaker 1: you've got a ghost or you've got a house you
24:58
Speaker 1: can't unload in five years. Long story short, who is
25:03
Speaker 1: going to buy that home? In the meantime? To alexas
25:06
Speaker 1: Terresha clim online dot Com investigative reporter, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about all Chris Watts's girlfriends? Chris Watts has
25:14
Speaker 1: multiple women that are not only writing to him, they're
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Speaker 1: calling him. They are visiting him in prison. These are
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Speaker 1: women who are from all ages and from all over
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Speaker 1: the country. We have seen the letters that people are
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Speaker 1: writing him, but these women have come forward and one
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Speaker 1: woman has said that she has spoken to him and
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Speaker 1: what you were just saying, what doctor Bethany Marshall was
25:34
Speaker 1: just saying about him. He says that he had a
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Speaker 1: break and that a demon possessed him. That's what one
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Speaker 1: of the women that went to speak with him said.
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Speaker 1: He told her that he did not know what happened.
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Speaker 1: He described the actual murders of his children and his wife,
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Speaker 1: and he said, I felt like a demon possessed to me.
25:52
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what was going on. He is
25:55
Speaker 1: such a liar about everything. I feel like we haven't
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Speaker 1: said that word yet, but he is a liar. Everything
26:01
Speaker 1: that he says. He just listens to police officers sort
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Speaker 1: of maybe floated in explanation. Then he says, oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: that's it. None of what he says matches with the evidence,
26:10
Speaker 1: and everything is in hindsight and is a making up
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Speaker 1: of an excuse after they're gone. So what these women
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Speaker 1: are doing, These women who were actually very attractive women,
26:20
Speaker 1: they are One of them is even married, and she
26:23
Speaker 1: says she's just really his counselor, like she's a woman
26:26
Speaker 1: who's helping him find religion behind bars. And these women
26:30
Speaker 1: are saying that he talks about his family all the time,
26:32
Speaker 1: that he's very sorry, but again he accepts no responsibility
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Speaker 1: for this and it was a demon that possessed him.
26:38
Speaker 1: Instead of really admitting that he planned it. He knew
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Speaker 1: exactly what he was going to do, where he was
26:42
Speaker 1: going to take them so no one would find them.
26:45
Speaker 1: He was having this sneaky affair. Is a crazy liar. Well,
26:49
Speaker 1: he was having a lot of sneaky affairs, including people
26:52
Speaker 1: he meets on tender and just just shows up at
26:56
Speaker 1: motels along with his mistress. Nicole Cassenger just revealed giggly
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Speaker 1: voicemails from his mistress along with two other women who
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Speaker 1: now visit him behind bars, where he claims he is
27:12
Speaker 1: a quote changed man. Why would a woman be interested
27:18
Speaker 1: in that? I don't know? Not only that to Alexis Terreschuk,
27:25
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about a petition that has
27:28
Speaker 1: about five thousand signatures on it demanding that Chris Watts
27:34
Speaker 1: killer dad removed pictures of his pregnant wife Shanan and
27:37
Speaker 1: his two daughters from his prison cell and returned them
27:42
Speaker 1: to the victims family. So when Chris started doing interviews
27:46
Speaker 1: and this you could see in his cell that he
27:50
Speaker 1: had these pictures of the family up. People got outraged.
27:53
Speaker 1: So on behalf of these poor victims who were no
27:54
Speaker 1: longer there. They started petition and they said that he
27:58
Speaker 1: should not be allowed to do this. This is these
28:00
Speaker 1: are victims and the person that killed them should not
28:03
Speaker 1: be allowed to have this property Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
28:24
Speaker 1: Frank Russick tells me that the cyber bullying around this
28:26
Speaker 1: case has been relentless since the murders about eleven months ago,
28:30
Speaker 1: so bad that he's even gone to law enforcement and
28:32
Speaker 1: lawmakers seeking help, but has had no assistance. So now
28:36
Speaker 1: he's here in Colorado asking CBS four viewers to help
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Speaker 1: him stop the trolls. I can't possibly describe how painful
28:42
Speaker 1: the last eleven months have been since father Frank Rusick
28:46
Speaker 1: has been under attack in the most vicious ways. You
28:49
Speaker 1: can't imagine intense cyber bullying by fans of the murderer
28:53
Speaker 1: and trolls around the world England, Philippines, Australia. It's not
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Speaker 1: fair to this victim. We don't deserve it. Frank Russick
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Speaker 1: wanted to pressure lawmakers to step up and find a
29:04
Speaker 1: way to limit the attacks trolls make online. His lawyers
29:07
Speaker 1: say calling major social media companies has been useless. I
29:11
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be out here doing this, The Russick say,
29:13
Speaker 1: cyberbullies are making them relive their nightmare daily. We just
29:16
Speaker 1: try to ignore it, but sometimes you just can't ignore
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Speaker 1: the last to stop. Good on went your lives, leave
29:22
Speaker 1: ours alone. You are hearing Shenan Watts's dad speaking to
29:25
Speaker 1: Dylan Thomas hit CBS four in Colorado. It's overwhelming to
29:30
Speaker 1: me that online trolls are attacking NaN's family, but not
29:35
Speaker 1: only that, there is now about a five thousand strong
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Speaker 1: petition demanding killer dad Chris Watts remove pictures of pregnant Shenan,
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Speaker 1: his wife, and his two little girls, Bellad Celeste from
29:47
Speaker 1: his prison cell and give them back to the victims family.
29:51
Speaker 1: The title is confiscate Chris Watts picture of his murder victims,
29:55
Speaker 1: and it's being sent to the Wisconsin Department of Corrections.
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Speaker 1: To Alexas Stress Chuck water Online dot Com investigative reporter,
30:01
Speaker 1: what do you know people? Are outraged that there have
30:03
Speaker 1: been images of Chris's prison cell where he has the
30:07
Speaker 1: pictures of his wife and his children. He murdered them.
30:09
Speaker 1: He's serving life sentences for this, but he has these
30:11
Speaker 1: pictures up. These are his victims. So people start a petition,
30:14
Speaker 1: and this is not something small. These are over five
30:16
Speaker 1: thousand signatures. People have asked the Wisconsin Correction Facility to
30:21
Speaker 1: take these down, give these pictures back to Shenan's family
30:25
Speaker 1: because they find it outrageous that somebody can have this
30:28
Speaker 1: there when they are the reason these people are dead.
30:30
Speaker 1: It's sickening, especially because now he's saying that he loved them,
30:34
Speaker 1: and he didn't He wasn't even responsible. It was a
30:36
Speaker 1: demon that possessed him that was responsible. Right, the devil again,
30:41
Speaker 1: you know, the devil makes a lot of cameo appearances
30:43
Speaker 1: and domestic homicides to Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney.
30:48
Speaker 1: He wants to do over. He wants to have his
30:51
Speaker 1: plea thrown out. What possible grounds could he raise to
30:56
Speaker 1: get a do over and a chance to walk free? Well,
30:59
Speaker 1: the this is so similar in so many ways to
31:03
Speaker 1: mister demonic Charles Manson. I just see so many parallels.
31:08
Speaker 1: What could he say? I was crazy? I did not
31:11
Speaker 1: know right from wrong. Would anybody buy it? I certainly
31:14
Speaker 1: hope not. Now, just because I'm a defense lawyer doesn't
31:17
Speaker 1: mean I have to like all of my clients. I
31:19
Speaker 1: want to make it very clear, this guy is a
31:22
Speaker 1: bad guy. He can come up with everything in the book,
31:26
Speaker 1: but there's nothing in the book that will let him
31:28
Speaker 1: out of prison except for when and if he is
31:33
Speaker 1: killed in prison by someone or someone's who don't like
31:36
Speaker 1: what he did. Oh, there you go again, saying there's
31:39
Speaker 1: gonna be Gillhouse Justice. Okay, you know Charles Manson died
31:43
Speaker 1: practically of old age. Please Gillhouse Justice. You know, I
31:49
Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for
31:54
Speaker 1: the State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, how could Shennan's body
31:59
Speaker 1: possibly be prepared prepped at a funeral home to have
32:05
Speaker 1: an open casket funeral? I mean, is it even possible
32:08
Speaker 1: after manual strangulation. Well, it's very possible. You know, there's
32:12
Speaker 1: an entire field dedicated to that, mortuary sciences, which uses
32:17
Speaker 1: a lot of cosmetics and a lot of embalming techniques
32:21
Speaker 1: that would make her very presentable for an open casket funeral.
32:24
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised at what they can do for people
32:27
Speaker 1: who are involved in accidents where they had a lot
32:29
Speaker 1: of facial damage. They are very very good artisans and
32:33
Speaker 1: they are very good in their in their field, and
32:36
Speaker 1: I don't think it will be much of an effort
32:39
Speaker 1: to make her presentable. You know, to Joseph Scott Morgan,
32:42
Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, she suffered what we know
32:47
Speaker 1: is called coffin birth. Explain at that moment Nancy, when
32:51
Speaker 1: she was buried, decomposition began and as the body begins
32:55
Speaker 1: to compromise, it's kind of natural integrity. Everything just kind
33:00
Speaker 1: of gives way. There's a disintegration and the natural tension
33:05
Speaker 1: that would be there to say, keep a baby in
33:09
Speaker 1: utero is going to be released, and that at that
33:12
Speaker 1: point in tom she would literally birth. Her body would
33:16
Speaker 1: berth this precious little angel into that dirty environment. For
33:20
Speaker 1: all of you women out there, God help you that
33:23
Speaker 1: have a crush on killer dad Chris Watts, let me
33:27
Speaker 1: detail the autopsy reports that we've obtained and the detail
33:31
Speaker 1: and maybe they will bring you to your senses and
33:34
Speaker 1: explain why Watts pled guilty in the face of these documents.
33:38
Speaker 1: Nane strangled. He smothered his two little girls. Even when Bella,
33:43
Speaker 1: aged four, fought back. How do I know that? Because
33:47
Speaker 1: she bit her tongue and her cheeks, and the process
33:51
Speaker 1: of fighting back. Watch this stuffed Bella just thirty eight
33:55
Speaker 1: pounds through an eight inch hole in an oil tank,
34:00
Speaker 1: aping her arms and legs and the process forcing her
34:05
Speaker 1: into it. She was found three days later wearing a
34:08
Speaker 1: little pink pajama top with hearts and butterflies on it.
34:12
Speaker 1: Her little sister, Celeste, was found in a pink top
34:15
Speaker 1: and a diape in an adjacent oil tank. When the
34:20
Speaker 1: bodies were removed, they became de sleeved. Now that is
34:27
Speaker 1: certainly a euphemism. To Joseph Scott Morgan, explain what de
34:34
Speaker 1: sleeving is. De sleeving is literally when that top layer
34:38
Speaker 1: think about our epidermis. People at home have learned this
34:41
Speaker 1: in school, That epidermis of their skin and down to
34:45
Speaker 1: the dermis begins to literally peel away. We see this
34:49
Speaker 1: many times in advanced decomposition with bodies, where the hands
34:53
Speaker 1: will de glove. But in this case, Nancy, just as
34:57
Speaker 1: you had mentioned, these little girls had only been in
34:59
Speaker 1: the for three days. That gives you an idea as
35:03
Speaker 1: to how caustic this environment was. And now you've got
35:08
Speaker 1: these women that are out there begging for this guy's attention,
35:12
Speaker 1: that would literally do these too, these little children. It's
35:14
Speaker 1: just beyond the pale. Shenan the mom. The pregnant mom
35:19
Speaker 1: had baby Nico partially expelled from her body. He was
35:24
Speaker 1: half in her body and half out of her body,
35:27
Speaker 1: and both he and she were covered in dirt and sand.
35:33
Speaker 1: The two little girls, having been in oil tanks for
35:37
Speaker 1: days unprocessed crude oil, had the oil all in their throats,
35:42
Speaker 1: their stomachs, and their lungs. All of you women vying
35:48
Speaker 1: for a visitor pass to see Kris Watts writing him
35:52
Speaker 1: love letters with hearts and flowers drawn on. Think about
35:56
Speaker 1: that Nancy Grace crime story. Sonny Off, good Bye friend
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