Latest / The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination / JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 297 - Limited Hangout July 4th Extravaganza
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- 0:04Hey there, this is Mark Kruber along with my girlfriend Derek Kuntley from America's
- 0:08Really Old Stories. You are about to hear the most listened to exclusively jfk
- 0:13Assassination podcast and one of my favorites, the Lone Gunman Podcast. Now here's
- 0:19Rob and Joe tub. Section one oh seven of the Fair Use Act of
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- 0:35and commentary purposes. We hear at Loose Moose Productions reserve that right now.
- 0:41On with the show. Here's Joe B and the Triple B. Hey,
- 0:44and you Dean. How's things in Texas? Everything is going to hal
- 0:49down here in Dulston, je Joey, jim Me, Joe Um Shoe men
- 0:59Yamey and Joey, Joey and Jim we Man, jum Me and Joey Rocky
- 1:07show a rin shine, how fine Jam Jam and here we go. Here
- 1:36we go. What's up? Everybody? Welcome for the show. Rob's not
- 1:40muted at the beginning of this one like he has been for the past too,
- 1:42so we're already off to a good start. What's up? What's Up?
- 1:47And welcome to our limited Hangout Fourth of July Extravaganza, episode number two
- 1:51hundred and ninety seven, where we answer your tough JFK questions. But before
- 2:00we get to that, if you have some in your pocket that you'd like
- 2:05us to definitely read on the air, email them real quick to the Lone
- 2:08Gum And podcast at gmail dot com and we'll definitely get to them, because
- 2:14if you put them in the chat, we may miss him. I can't
- 2:16guarantee we will be able to keep up and keep track of everything because it's
- 2:23going to be just a little bit before we actually get there. So in
- 2:25the meantime, shoot an email that way we can definitely stay on top of
- 2:30things. But anyway, welcome to the show, Joe. I like your
- 2:36shirt, buddy, Thank you, Rolling Stones with an American? Are you
- 2:40passing it out this evening? A little dosing on the fourth of July.
- 2:50Yes, the weekend. Let's start the weekend off right. Speaking of I'm
- 2:54doing great, solid fourth of July. But I mentioned this to you like
- 3:00a few days ago. Rob fifteen years ago, on fourth of July,
- 3:06I was at the Rothbury Music Festival in Michigan, and it was the dead
- 3:13on fourth of July like sunset set into the night headliner, of course,
- 3:17and it was everyone. You know, there's now a lot of not everyone
- 3:23plays with everyone all the time. But it was amazing. It was my
- 3:27best Fourth of July experience ever. It's like Grateful Dead dosin America dancing good
- 3:38music right reminds me of nineteen ninety four. I'm pretty sure it was in
- 3:43July. I think it was right after the fourth and it was back to
- 3:50back weekends. I got to see Pink Floyd one weekend and then the Grateful
- 3:59Dead the next weekend. Wow. Yeah, with a plant and the other
- 4:09guy, I'm blanket on. They don't play together anymore. They're refused to
- 4:13the other singer, David Gilmore. I'm sorry, David Gila and Roger Waters.
- 4:18I say, Robert, no, you probably did. Yeah, well,
- 4:24Waters was not with them in ninety four. It was just Gilmore.
- 4:29Okay, Yeah, very cool. That sounds like an epic weekend. It
- 4:34was. We call that Rob's Lost Week, kind of like John Lennon's last
- 4:40weekend. Yeah. I might might have might have spilled over into two weeks.
- 4:46A lot, a lot of lot of lot of life surgic acid consumed
- 4:51that week, but I probably didn't say that, right, I think I
- 4:57did, but maybe I didn't. I think I did. I miss a
- 5:00D. I think I missed the D. I think so. I don't
- 5:06know. Anyway, I digress. So, Joe, you got some news
- 5:13to start off the show with my friend. Well, let's say hi to
- 5:15some people. First. I want to thank John. If you don't mind,
- 5:18who comes, fine if you must, you know John Loose, Moose
- 5:25Crew CIA code names, am scar and am vape just for you, Johnny
- 5:31Boy. I feel like my MIC's hot? Is my mic loud as hell?
- 5:36Or is it okay? People in the chat? I let us know?
- 5:43Hello Jack, I agree it doesn't. Hello Colleen, uh Trey,
- 5:49tiny dancer. I'm sorry to go down. We've got a lot of people
- 5:56here, right. What's a party, Joe, Paul, it's fine,
- 6:02thank you, Peter, Josh Bungled of course, how are you, sir?
- 6:13And then Audine, let's see Sally's in the house tonight. Hello,
- 6:19Sally, I'm across the pond. Heere we go. So it has to
- 6:27be they're like, what five hours ahead? Six hours? They're five hours
- 6:30ahead. So she's a trooper. She joins us at midnight over there all
- 6:34the time. So thanks for staying up. Yes, we appreciate it,
- 6:41Sally. Even though we're celebrating our independence from your horrible country, tyrannical.
- 6:54There are a lot of those memes going down. I know they I always
- 6:59thought they hated it over there. I don't know, Maybe they don't.
- 7:03Mike, I know we butchered the hell out of your language. I love
- 7:09a good like sexy British accent, though, I'm not going to tell Greg
- 7:13I see you out there, my friend. Yes, I know, I
- 7:16know Greg likes that. Greg likes those concerts as well. Oh, yes,
- 7:25well that was a long time for ago for us. Greg's old dead
- 7:30head fish head. Well you said ninety four high Peter, so that was
- 7:34what thirty years ago? Yeah, I'm old Joe. What do you want
- 7:41from me? No, it's fine, it's it's interesting. It's double exactly
- 7:45double my fifteen years from the show I was talking about fifteen thirty. Yeah,
- 7:49they were all still alive when I saw barely Jerry had another year in
- 7:57him. That's about it. Oh right, because but he didn't die till
- 8:01like ninety five. I think for some reason I thought he was not around
- 8:13them. But you got to see it, Jerry. That's pretty up.
- 8:16Yeah, mister Timothy Ryan, Hello, old slacker. Were almost done,
- 8:22and I think I got everyone. Thank you Jack, believe us and I
- 8:28to tray a right Jack. Thank you Jack. I know, but I
- 8:31didn't say how to trade. I was just say try, all right,
- 8:35so we are good. Try our friend from the dark side, which we're
- 8:39going to talk about here in a second. Ye take a proper shite on
- 8:43them hand a second. Don't you worry because they did it again. Oops
- 8:50they Britney spirited. Oops, they did it again. Yeah. He thinks
- 8:56they learned, but they don't. But before that, if you don't mind,
- 9:00Rob, I got a special delivery that came today. Oh SD special
- 9:05delivery, Jones. What is that? I see back? There is a
- 9:13little display here, Hi, Paul, I see you, buddy. Jeff.
- 9:24Jeff at Silk City was nice enough to send me something that came today
- 9:30and I saved some of my Well, we do pimp his wares for him,
- 9:39so much obliged. He's done the same for me in the past.
- 9:41And I love Silk City Hot sauce, Yes, killer hot, killer hot.
- 9:48I have never tried it. What is the small? What is the
- 9:52fine? Print there, Joseph say, an ecstasy is so dangerous it should
- 9:56be forbidden. Oh that sounds like something Jack Ruby would have concocted. Yes,
- 10:01So I'm actually eating Mexican tonight or some tacos. It's a case of
- 10:07dia and I'm gonna try it. Oh, you're screwed. You are so
- 10:13screwed if I have to go like leave the camera for a second, you
- 10:18guys know, Oh yeah, Joe's eating the taco live on the air with
- 10:26Silk City slathered all over that. Some bitch, I haven't tried this flavor.
- 10:31Wow, it has some nice kick and it kind of like an after
- 10:37kick. You know. Some little sauces do that. Yeah, that one
- 10:39in particular. There is also very good to add to nacho cheese dip.
- 10:46There's some sauce in there and then some hot sauce on it. Run through
- 10:50the microwave for about three minutes, stirred all together. You got some nacho
- 10:54hot nacho cheese sauce. Oh my god. Who all right? So Gunman
- 11:03twenty is that it rob No, just gunman, just Gunman, just Gunman
- 11:09for off, Yes, your entire order. Yes, and then up overseas.
- 11:16Just great guys, I love the show, so yes. And also
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- 12:46oh, did you say hi to psv Odity. I did. I said,
- 12:52Paul, do you want a trucking down the road with my friend that
- 12:54we love Paul. Paul's listening with his driving his big rig cross the country
- 13:01somewhere. And if he's not, he's probably sitting at home, chilling like
- 13:05a villain, smoking a big fat cigar and drinking some fine Bob and whiskey.
- 13:11Joseph, oh, I respect that I have a margarita that is frozen
- 13:16that I got. Okay, sorry, excuse me. It's like eighty percent
- 13:22of humidity eighty percent. Like dupoint here you're drinking a frozen margarita. It
- 13:28was easy to access. I was there, said yeah, I was there,
- 13:35and I was like, I'm just playing with you. Who doesn't love
- 13:39us alcoholic slurpy on a hot day? Right? Also, Joe, did
- 13:45you get something in the mail? A lot of presents coming this week?
- 13:50Joe is the man people love him. If you would like to send Joe
- 13:52a present, just send us an email. We'll give you his a dress.
- 13:58Oh, hey, was Skip? I know that book? I have
- 14:03that book. That is an excellent book. In fact, I did see
- 14:09John in the comments a couple of weeks ago, which means he was watching
- 14:13m I think his show is finally over a thousand listens. Yeah, and
- 14:18uh, hopefully we're gonna have him back on soon because he's found a lot
- 14:22of new info. Yes that old skip whole, but yeah, that's that's
- 14:28nice. Since an autograph copy, that's awesome. Yeah, and uh,
- 14:33you know, I'm gonna try to start a thing where like when we have
- 14:35guests and they have a book, I order it and they could like,
- 14:39you know, sign it or whatever. And yes, when I was emailing
- 14:43with him because I think after that show he popped in on, I actually
- 14:48didn't see it. I was maybe talking, but uh he emailed me and
- 14:52was like, oh, we we had emailed back and forth, but I
- 14:54had not paypaled him like you got sidetracked things like did you have get your
- 15:00copy? I was like, no, thank you for reminding me. So
- 15:03he goes to Joe in quotation marks, Joe B thank you so very much
- 15:11for having me on your outstanding show and podcast. Truly enjoyed our conversation and
- 15:16mutual desire to seek the truth. And yes, Rob, he's continuing to
- 15:22research. He was like when we emailed months ago, he was like,
- 15:24oh, I got this minor like detail wrong. I want to like,
- 15:28you know, he's he seeks the truth, which I really appreciate it,
- 15:33and he's keep he's continued to research and he has some new information on all
- 15:37since he came on last and uh just appreciates our show's support and looks forward
- 15:46to future conversations. Best wishes to you and your family. John Lindback,
- 15:52So well, that was offully nice of him to do that for you.
- 15:56Did you get the email off for the total aside people? Did you get
- 15:58the I afforded to you from one of our awesome listeners, Bloody Benders.
- 16:04That's a great segue. Did you get that? I did? Okay,
- 16:11I just want to make sure you got the email because he's gonna be nice
- 16:14enough to send us a copy of his book, which is awesome when it
- 16:18has nothing to do with JFK. We love some true crime around here,
- 16:21so when the hell comes to play, we're down. We're in. And
- 16:27yes, Paul, I know I don't drink, but I'll drink some Seltzer
- 16:30water with you. Okay, I'll drink some Seltzer water. You and Joe
- 16:36can get steymiaed Hi guarded and guns how are you? Nice to see you
- 16:45and thank you Gregory Gregg and the Clutch appreciate it. Brother. So a
- 16:52lot of good a lot of good presence this week sounds like it. I
- 16:56can't wait. I can't wait to read this. I just want to show
- 17:00one thing real quick before we get into his email, if you want.
- 17:04I didn't realize how much Lauren Hall looks like TV Cooper looks like dB Cooper.
- 17:12Yeah, I mean you could easily see how that sketch could be him.
- 17:18Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it? It is? And hey,
- 17:22he was crazy enough to do it. I don't have my mind made up.
- 17:26And that's why I'm going to read the book and uh, we're Yeah,
- 17:30it's a great it's a great book. Also, before we get into
- 17:36some other things, one quick hits this past weekend, uh, which is
- 17:42of course not a visual medium, it's audio only. So I wanted to
- 17:48show this picture that a emailer I don't have the email Handy h sent me,
- 17:56or I would give him total credit. So so everybody knows who this
- 18:03is, right, Joe, who's that that is? Mister Lauren Haws or
- 18:08yeah, we just just had the book right, all right, there's a
- 18:14Lauren Hall, and somebody out there was watching in that GEO special and saw
- 18:21an angry looking Cuban man in Daly Plaza that he theorized could possibly be Lauren
- 18:30Hall in Daley Plaza. Now I don't think it was, and Doug doesn't
- 18:36think it was Lauren Hall. As you'll see in a minute, we'll see
- 18:38a side by side comparison. But here is the picture of the angry Cuban
- 18:45in Daley Plaza. Boom. What So the question is who is this guy?
- 18:59Does any have any idea? Does he look familiar to anybody out there?
- 19:04Here's the side by side comparison, boom, Like from the nose down
- 19:12maybe, but from the nose up, No nose, the hairline, I
- 19:19mean even the hairline is the same. The hairline is the same. But
- 19:23yeah, the eyebrows, the brows, eyes, the facial creases, Yeah,
- 19:27the face lines. Although he could be kind of it doesn't look like
- 19:33he's smirking. Really yeah, I mean I don't think it's him. But
- 19:41again it begs the question is who is the angry human and deeply Plaza that
- 19:47day? He doesn't look happy to be there, So Rob, where did
- 19:51this? Is this a zoomed in picture and where is he standing. He's
- 19:56standing on the grassy. No, I don't like I said, I don't
- 20:02know. I've never seen the original. I mean, I might have seen
- 20:06the nat G special, but I don't recall see this dude, isn't it
- 20:10It might have been one of them split second things or you gotta pause it
- 20:12at the right time. And yeah, you know they cut from stuff to
- 20:17stuff to stuff. Oh it was a video. Yeah, it was from
- 20:21a TV show that NAG Is special. That makes sense. Yeah, I
- 20:26h I just say what Jack says. Hall doesn't look as Latin as that
- 20:33guy. Yeah, and again we're kind of not saying it is. But
- 20:40then who is he? Definitely most like I don't know say definitely most likely
- 20:44a Cuban exile. You'd have to go through you know, some amos where
- 20:48you could find pictures if you can, and other people and JM wave and
- 20:53maybe, I mean it'd be interesting and maybe someone here will know. Yeah,
- 21:00maybe you've come across and in your Cuban people research, this guy looks
- 21:04familiar and maybe we can figure out who he is. And if we do
- 21:10and we know who he is, then that might lead us somewhere else,
- 21:11so who knows, but definitely a good supposition there. But I wanted to
- 21:17show that here in case you listen to quick hits and you're like, God,
- 21:19damn, I can't see anything. I wish I could see this,
- 21:22so we wanted to show you here. Yep. So shall we visit the
- 21:33dark side for a minute? Speaking of quick hits? Yep? Not on
- 21:41this was it on this most recent show that we did or was it the
- 21:45one that before that that what the car? Yeah? No, this week?
- 21:52It was this week. Okay, So I believe quick Hits came out
- 22:00Saturday when Sunday morning? Okay, No, it actually was. Remember Doug
- 22:08had didn't hit the button, right, it was delayed until like noon.
- 22:14Yeah, but it came out Sunday, right Sunday at noon. I'm saying
- 22:18it's usually six am. I'm up at six and am winning for quick hit
- 22:21spots, you know. So on that show, one of Doug's topics,
- 22:26one of his quick hits was a document that he came across about Watergate burglar
- 22:33Eugenio Martinez, his car, and of Jake Esterline, who was I think
- 22:42the head of jam Wave at the time. Watergate was going down anyway,
- 22:49somebody had sent Esterline a message that maybe they should go get Eugenie and Martinez's
- 23:03car before the FBI finds it, because there's a bunch of incriminating documents in
- 23:10the car. So basically, Estraline calls the FBI and says, hey,
- 23:19here's where the car is, here's who it belongs to. You might want
- 23:22to check it out. So they basically hung him out too dry and Doug
- 23:33found the document, the actual document. I've seen the document and the unredacted
- 23:40version too, I think right, yeah, yep, by doing the ref
- 23:44search. So for those of you who watch The Dark Side this week,
- 23:52Joe, and for those who haven't, here you go. Here's what they
- 23:56talked about this week. I find it someone I yep. Of course it
- 24:11is relating to Eugenio Martinez and his car. Much of Liddy's Gemstone operation,
- 24:21there was a Gemstone file, a Gemstone diary which will end up being in
- 24:27the car of Euginia Martinez in the parking lot at Miami Airport. He has
- 24:36a Dodge Dart four forty sitting in the parking lot, and in that car
- 24:41from the jail, he will contact his wife and his wife will be contacted
- 24:48via Barker's wife. I think her name is Carara Barker who calls up Martinez
- 24:56his wife, to get that car out of the parking lot of Miami International
- 25:00Airport. Why because it's got all kinds of cockamamie things in that car.
- 25:06And in that car is his notebook? Is that his wife? Is that
- 25:12Barker's wife there? Yeah, I don't had photos of I think Martinez had
- 25:19four wives, with three and a half wives. I'm not sure. I
- 25:23don't have a I've never seen a photo, not many photos on him anywhere,
- 25:27right, Yeah, and that's intentional because he all right, Joe,
- 25:30get these two balls off the damn screen at the at the that's enough.
- 25:37But you see how funny is it? How freaking randomly funny is it that,
- 25:47out of everything that you can talk about it during the jfk ass nation
- 25:51and Watergate, it just happens to be something that we talked about this past
- 25:57weekend, two days before. And notice what they did not have the document
- 26:08just saying yeah, if you needed further proof that these guys are a joke,
- 26:18there you go. You're welcome, Happy fourth in July. So and
- 26:26to enter your point, Rob I listened to both and I had never heard
- 26:33of this document before, and the analysis that you guys did on the document
- 26:38and talking about the inner agency conflict, and then I heard this, and
- 26:45I mean, listen, it's a story, right, that's just what's their
- 26:49title. So I think we are document researchers, and even a Quickness isn't
- 26:56a video podcast. You guys did a great job going through that document.
- 27:02Was really interesting, and it was just funny that it showed up two days
- 27:07later. Imagine that. Probably a coincidence, but it's still weird. I
- 27:11doubt it, dude. This is like John T. Martin level of coincidence.
- 27:19I mean, think about it. Think of every aspect of the JFK
- 27:22assassination and Watergate put together. This is what you talk about. This randomness
- 27:32of Eugenio Martinez's car and the files in it. I mean, come on,
- 27:38man, they didn't even have the facts right. It's about somebody's wife
- 27:42called somebody else's wife. No, it was Jake Esterline. It dimed him
- 27:45out because it's in the document. If you had it, you know that.
- 27:53Anyway. Anyways, enough of that horse nonsense. Happy fourth of July
- 28:02to no James. That's hashtag g f y. H Uh. You'll just
- 28:15have to watch the show over again when we're done, sir. But don't
- 28:18worry, you haven't missed much. It's a quick hits type of style,
- 28:22so you can go back and we're getting to the good stuff. Yeah,
- 28:27you know, we're getting there. Yep. Oh and by the way,
- 28:34what congrats on reaching the one million downloads on speaker for the long Gunner.
- 28:47He's probably backed up for a few days, Mike. They probably sat on
- 28:51that since he listened to Quick Hits, and then you know, Temmy got
- 28:56a little tight, started hurting a little bit because he's nervous because think Scruber's
- 29:02gonna screw it all up. That's probably what's going on there, Mike.
- 29:07No, he just he's like, oh nice, nice, He just dark
- 29:11side gonna dark side. So but uh, yeah, congrats on that the
- 29:21Millie on speaker. It's pretty cool. And most of that was b J
- 29:25before Joe. That's why I'm complimenting him. And oh, the Big d
- 29:29C is in the house. So to clear it up, because Doug had
- 29:36to document, the wife contacted a covert ops cohort of Martinez who hit up
- 29:41Jake Estraline who then let the CIA know, all right, let the FBI
- 29:48know where to go and get this car and said documents that could have been
- 29:55very, very hurtful to the CIA from the early sixties. So yeah,
- 30:03thank you, thank you do Gray for checking in and setting us straight there,
- 30:10sir. Yeah, all right, Joe, you're ready to get into
- 30:15some emails, my friend. Are we there yet? Or well I want
- 30:19to do the fun question or later we can do the fun question. Okay,
- 30:32all right, do it in the chat. We'll do answers in the
- 30:33Chatah, all right, thank you, and Sally, I see him.
- 30:37We're gonna get to him, I promise, and let me see. And
- 30:44yes to f and true. Your boy did an episode uh bjy before Joe,
- 30:52the story of Robert Easterling not Esterline. So yes, well he gave
- 30:59me and our VT Lee letter and the false the first uh possible the first
- 31:07fractae. Yeah, and that came up like two or three weeks ago actually
- 31:11on here, I believe. Yeah, So I thought, since it was
- 31:18kind of like a fun Fourth of July party, I'm going to ask you
- 31:21a fun hypothetical type of question. I the first time it's happened. Yep,
- 31:30just crowded up. Yeah yeah, and you can't forget the fourteen minute
- 31:37gap either. Write that whole yeah situation. That's why we're one of the
- 31:44most listened to. You think we're lying when we say it. It feels
- 31:48like I'm lying when I say it. They we're one of the most listened
- 31:51to JFK assassination related podcast in the world. You just congratulated me on over
- 31:59a minut hits, over a million downloads just on this the lone gum and
- 32:05podcast, not including quick hits. Yep, not including YouTube. So do
- 32:13the math people. What's up? Frosty, Stay Frosty out there. Don't
- 32:20be melting. I know it's hot as hell outside. Stay Frosty. That's
- 32:22uh, stay Frosty, my friend. It just did Frosty the past weekend.
- 32:31That's what we're talking about here, brother, check it out. We
- 32:36love when Doug comes in the child and uh yeah, you might have had
- 32:40some foreknowledge. Uh but okay, So my fun question. I want you
- 32:46guys to pay attention to this. If you were a time traveler and uh,
- 32:54hold on, wrong, we gotta play the audio. Hold on,
- 33:00hold on, if you were a time I'll finish this. Hold on,
- 33:05hold on hold on, okay, to play it. Okay, if you
- 33:21were a time traveler today and you could spend five minutes in any event time
- 33:28period of the j FK assassination, before or aftermath, you can't stop anything.
- 33:36You're just observing. Where would you go in that you're five minutes or
- 33:43and what would you want to observe? So you know, you got to
- 33:47think, do you want to be behind the noll? Do you want to
- 33:50be on the sixth floor? Do you want to be on the Air Force
- 33:53one flight back to d C. Do you want to be a noll?
- 34:01I think I answered this on Quick Hits a couple of shows ago. But
- 34:07here's my answer, and then you can give yours, and then we'll see
- 34:09what the people are saying. Sure, so five minutes, here's what your
- 34:15boy, big bad Bob would do. I'm posting up on Elm Street right
- 34:22beside apron man. Okay, he's on the other side of the street,
- 34:30kind of a right across from a dark complected man and an umbrella man,
- 34:34but on the opposite side of the street. Right from there you have a
- 34:38pretty good view of the six floor window. Also from there you've got a
- 34:44pretty good view of the grassy knoll, right yep, so shots ring out.
- 34:58I am immediately running into this. If I don't see anything, like
- 35:07if I don't look up in the window and I see Oswald up there shooting,
- 35:12then I'm gonna immediately run to the ground. If i don't see anything
- 35:19on the sixth floor window, I'm gonna immediately run to the school book depository
- 35:24and I am going to the back staircase and I am going up as fast
- 35:29as I can. You can't interact with anybody, they don't know you're there.
- 35:35All you can just observe, h Right, So that's what I would
- 35:42do. I would make as much out of that five minutes as possible.
- 35:46I would see, I would try to find out everything I could in that
- 35:50five minutes. That's that's pretty good. That that gives you a lot of
- 35:58You're making a lot of out of your five minutes, right, hey,
- 36:00based on what conterns you could then go A or B and uh, I'm
- 36:07gonna give mine ROB. But I wanna wait a minute and we'll look at
- 36:12some of the comments and then all right, what Jack says he would be
- 36:15on the roof of the Dow text building, which is a pretty good advantage
- 36:22point as well, because you're actually going to be behind the depository. You
- 36:27can see right into the sixth floor window, right if you're on the roof
- 36:32of the dow text. Oh, from from the side, you can see
- 36:38because he's in the corner, somebody's allegedly in the corner. So you can
- 36:44see right through that window and see if anybody's in that corner. And yeah,
- 36:51you back up like fifteen feet, run jump across Houston Street to the
- 37:00roof of Let's go Book Depository. Uh, I mean we're in a fantasy
- 37:06laying here, folks, what do you Yeah, you could see Uh,
- 37:08maybe Shelley and Love Lady by the door elevator, maybe Victoria Adams, Hey,
- 37:15Roger Lee, Henry Oswald in the house. You could just be chilling
- 37:22on the back steps of the TSPD, smoking a bogie, just seeing who
- 37:25goes up or down, gardening guns and saying the Dallas County Records Building it's
- 37:32a good one too. Allegedly someone shot from up there, so that would
- 37:39definitely let you know. And yeah, like James says, so if I'm
- 37:47standing beside apronman, but Bushka lady is gonna be like ten feet to my
- 37:52left, so I definitely run over and peeking her babushka real quick and make
- 38:00sure it's not Beverly Oliver. It's not. I know. I'm just saying
- 38:07Trey has a good one. Yeah, at the Carousel Club with Jayden.
- 38:13She wouldn't have been at the Carousel Club. She was in her red convertible
- 38:15Cadillact trying to get the hell out of Dallas that day, so you could
- 38:20be in the backseat of the Cadillact. Frosty would want to be in Bethesda
- 38:28in the autopsy room, that is. That is a good spot to be
- 38:31as well. Joe, Well, Josh, I know, I was about
- 38:38to highlight that. On Agent Killerman's lap facing him like cowboy style, so
- 38:49you can see the back, but you want to be on his lap,
- 38:52but facing him, that's awesome. Got watch out for straight bullets if you
- 39:00gonna go there. Let's see where Big Mike would go behind the grassy old
- 39:06front fence for that five minutes. Okay, that's a good spot too.
- 39:10You can't you can't argue with that either. Yeah, that's yeah, And
- 39:17who did uh bungles? Do we say this yet? Back of Oh,
- 39:22I'm sorry with the publisher Lady Paula James saye, okay, back of Tippet's
- 39:30car. That's a good one too. That's a good one too. You'd
- 39:37have a you have a front row seat for that. H So let's see
- 39:45now, Joe, let me tell you what I did. Okay, you're
- 39:47like this. So I found one of these. I just came across,
- 39:52and when I'm scrolling through YouTube, you know, one of these the five
- 39:54most intriguing mysteries of the JFK assassination, you know, type of thing where
- 40:00they go through like you know these, who was the Bubusky lady? You
- 40:07know? Yeah? So I started commenting randomly, huh okay, but this
- 40:23guy right here Chris called, comes from over there, because I remember he
- 40:29commented private Hudson. No idea what that means unless we're talking about aliens.
- 40:39I don't either. I don't know. Clarify yourself. Chris called, Yeah,
- 40:47are we talking about aliens here? The movie? Mhm. Doug doesn't
- 40:59remember, sorry, oh to this question if you did it before? Yeah,
- 41:08he gave his answer, but he doesn't remember what he said. I
- 41:14can guess. I think I can guess with decent accuracy. Probably on the
- 41:22curve between Umbrella Man and dark complexed man exactly just sitting there next to a
- 41:27few hard graves being like, I blow up the ball, pull that radio
- 41:30out, you some bitch, I know, yeah, But I also I
- 41:39never knew that he allegedly went up the knole a little bit to talk to
- 41:45these three like shooty people at some point. So we were talking about the
- 41:49timeline at the end of last episode on the ramp to stop Jack Ruby.
- 41:57Hey, that's a good one too. I came across an interview with somebody
- 42:02Joe and I can't remember where it was. I should have I should have
- 42:09done my due diligence and kept it, but I did not. But it
- 42:14states in there that from an eyewitness who was in the basement that Jack Ruby
- 42:19posed as a cameraman's a newsman's helper to get down the ramp. Maybe he
- 42:30might have somebody who knew knew what what was going on. Okay, very
- 42:37possible. I mean, he did the same thing as the news reporter of
- 42:40the night before. I don't know if he got in with with that excuse,
- 42:46but that'd be a good one too, because if Oswald lives, then
- 42:52you think a lot more answers come out, although he probably just gets whacked
- 42:57in the Dallas jail at some point, should or something. So I'm okay.
- 43:10The Trademark luncheon that Kennedy unfortunately never had a chance to attend. At
- 43:15a twenty six person guest list, how many Martins had an invite to the
- 43:19Trademark figure at least five. I was about to say three or four.
- 43:25At least by that size of a guest list, there had to be at
- 43:29least five or six Martins there. You could have found something more there.
- 43:35But all right, So I'm like going back and forth with this. This
- 43:42is gonna be funny. Yeah, I know Emmitt Hudson, but who the
- 43:45hell's Private Hudson. I don't know where does this guy go? Chris,
- 43:51where'd you go? And then I was thinking it might have been the guy
- 43:55that got accidentally shot overseas and I was watched Platoon mysteriously. But then I
- 44:05was like, that wasn't his name. It wasn't Private Hudson with something else.
- 44:10It was like Dinkle or something. Right, No, that's so knows
- 44:15PAULA with a great memory here Paul Jane Doug said he'd be on top of
- 44:20the doubt of the Records building because of the view I've been binging the old
- 44:23podcasts. Yes, because of the thirty six it was found up there.
- 44:30Uh huh, yes, so so Rob, I'm I'm like torn on where
- 44:37I would be. You're Natalie and Brugelie in Bruglia this evening. Yeah.
- 44:46I would either want to be at the Faccus in New Orleans because then I
- 44:51would be able to identify John T. Martin and see how fake the fight
- 44:58really was, I think, And who else was with Oswald? Yeah,
- 45:02exactly right, exactly was it Beckham? Was it? Who knows? And
- 45:12I think that'd be interesting. Or I'd be in the Willard Hotel in the
- 45:17closet, in the closet, little people looking at James Herbert Martin get it
- 45:23in with Marina. Oh my god, Oh my god. Who in the
- 45:32back seat in one of those long cemetery rides. Yeah, getting tailed by
- 45:38the Secret Service. And well, I'd want to be like, not a
- 45:42I wanted Marina falling asleep in his lap. Yeah, and I'd wake her
- 45:49up and be like, don't go to sleep yet. You got one more?
- 45:53Wow? Wow dog you wow. Sorry, you know my two had
- 45:58to be Martin related. Somewhere. Uh. And if I know you're you
- 46:02already got it down in deally, those would be my answers. You know,
- 46:07all right? Hold on, I'm traveling together. Hold on. We
- 46:10got some insight here TD coming through. Private Hudson was only one crew of
- 46:17the one hundred and twelfth Army in Dealey Plaza. Private Hudson, where was
- 46:31he? I'm not familiar with this. Well, maybe all to look into
- 46:37this in the future. I was getting spicy in the chat. Uh,
- 46:52I love it, easy time me, he might. Let's see you ready
- 47:07to get some of these emails? Joe, you're muted, don't sorry,
- 47:20Let's do it. Rob. We're at We're at forty seven minutes. Just
- 47:22in case you didn't know. Yeah, I see the clock right up there
- 47:25in the corner. Thanks Joe for reminding me. Hold on, let me
- 47:36see let me see something here. We're missing something, Joe. We're missing
- 47:42something and I don't know where it went, but we're gonna get it back
- 47:45there it is, Yeah, okay, Cuban embassy zippity doodsas in Mexico City,
- 47:54and that might be a good if you want to talk about the Mexico
- 48:00City thing an, How after you you finish what you're going to talk about.
- 48:07Yeah, we'll hit on that later, Okay, before we get off.
- 48:15So I know, I have a few listeners that email me on a
- 48:19regular blip basis so much that I can't ever get back to many of them,
- 48:24uncle Dave being one. But I love it because he sends me nuggets,
- 48:32right, just sends me nuggets, nuggets, things to watch, things
- 48:39to share with Doug, things related to what we talk about here on the
- 48:44show. Tiny has some great insight into all kinds of stuff going on as
- 48:52well. But let's start off with one of Uncle Dave's well, and we'll
- 49:00go ahead and address it now since he's asking. So, Uncle Dave says,
- 49:07so did the JFK theorists come up with some wiretap tapes? Well,
- 49:14the answer is he did, yes, and he has at least five or
- 49:22six of them up over his channel. That's the JFK theorist. But fair
- 49:28warning, I haven't heard any English on any of them yet. So unless
- 49:30you know Spanish, like really good, because they speak very fast Repido,
- 49:39you're not going to know what they're saying. So or Russian, and I
- 49:44think so far the only ones he's he has up right now are from December
- 49:47first of nineteen sixty three, which is not exactly the date we're looking for.
- 49:55You know what I mean, These are not the droids you are looking
- 49:58for. Well, I was messaging with mister Alex. Be right back,
- 50:05Joe, Sure, I'm just gonna read some what I talked about. So
- 50:08I was messaging with mister Alex today because I caught his live when he made
- 50:13the announcement that he has come into possession of one hundred and ninety three wiretap
- 50:27tape tapes from the Russian and Cuban Embassy in nineteen sixty three. He mentioned
- 50:34there's some from eleven twenty two to sixty three, which would be very interesting.
- 50:38Rob mentioned Roe was in December first, or maybe a couple of the
- 50:44ones he posted today. I don't know the range. Hoping they go back
- 50:47to September and October. That would be fascinating just to hear the back and
- 50:55forth of the chaos, which was Oswalt visiting the Russian and Cuban Embassy.
- 51:07And you know, that's one of the most complicated areas in the case by
- 51:12far, and it's really cool that this is coming out now. He's he
- 51:17didn't say his source. It was an agreement with his source to not tell
- 51:22him. But I believe it was some help from Denis Morrissett, who was
- 51:25involved in helping Alex as well. And within the next month or two he
- 51:31is going to put them all out there. And he wanted me to ask
- 51:37the Lone Gunman audience if anyone is really fluent in Spanish or really fluent in
- 51:45Russian and you would like to help out in terms of transcribing and translating some
- 51:52of these tapes, he would be grateful, and I think I think you
- 51:59would eve and be compensated. It's not figured out yet, but I'm not
- 52:04sure if we have any Russian listeners, Rob, but two cents a word,
- 52:07Yeah, But he said there was one hundred and ninety three tapes,
- 52:14and he sent a screenshot to me. Someone transcribed some of the Spanish part
- 52:21and I guess something says Jose Antonio Garcia is coming down from Cuba. Let
- 52:28me see if he's around. I don't know that name, just very interesting.
- 52:35What And I don't think this was ever released before Rob wasnt portions,
- 52:39maybe not one hundred ninety three two games we're looking for September October sixty three,
- 52:49not December first or not sixty four. I mean, I wasn't know
- 52:52what that would help. Was there some sixty four? I mean, will
- 52:58he be the man to do it? Tiny since he is Hispanic? Yeah,
- 53:06no comment, but it would be interesting. And I don't think there
- 53:13was one hundred and ninety three videos or audios, and they're like forty five
- 53:20minutes long. You know, it's it's gonna be a lot of work.
- 53:23But if anyone is fluent in those languages. He wanted me to throw that
- 53:27out there, and he'll be releasing someone his YouTube channel, the JFK Theorist,
- 53:31And it's kind of cool that that's coming out, right. I think
- 53:36it's cool. I like it. Yeah, it's always it's always cool,
- 53:39you know. Do see something new come out with some potential? You know,
- 53:44I just hope, you know, not waging down the long, lonely
- 53:50river on this one. But like I said, you know, the pertinent
- 53:53dates are what I would look out for. Like I said, he doesn't
- 53:55have them all up yet, but yeah, help him out if you can.
- 54:04If you are a bio lingual, yep, please do by lingual.
- 54:09Okay, Joe, let's get to our next email and sorry, I had
- 54:14to let the cat out of the back door. That's not it's not a
- 54:16euphemism for anything. People don't get don't get crazy, get your mind out
- 54:22of the guver people. Uh, Gun Gardening Guns heard the call. We
- 54:30have an email from Garden Guns. Being a gun expert is declared by Joe
- 54:35when commenting in the live chat. I'm trying to get my point across into
- 54:37simple as terms possible, so people who don't much don't know much about firearms
- 54:43can understand my point. Last week, when I was commenting about the tsb
- 54:46D employee statements that the building shook, I knew there was no way this
- 54:52happened by the shooting of any small arms artillery. Yes, would shake most
- 54:58buildings. One O five. Let me pause right here, Joe, while
- 55:02I'm reading this, do me a favor and see if you can find on
- 55:07YouTube somebody shooting a car Kano. Okay, someone shooting a car Kano.
- 55:15Yeah. Oh, just at the gun, okay, Yeah, I want,
- 55:17I want the sound of it, got it? Okay, give me
- 55:22a minute. Yeah, I got a book here to read, so got
- 55:27nothing but time. Great. Uh. I was trying to express six and
- 55:32a half Karkano is basically similar to an intermediate cartridge think ar ak. Intermediate
- 55:38rifles have an effective range of three hundred yards. Full powered rifles have an
- 55:42effective range of eight hundred to one thousand. Effective range is determined by militaries
- 55:47all over the world as a maximum average distance that round from that particular rifle
- 55:52will drop a man. I was dumbing down this point when I stated that
- 55:55the report would sound closer to a five point five six NATO than a seven
- 56:00point sixty two NATO. The firecracker sound, numerous witnesses stated, is the
- 56:05crack sound when a bullet breaks the sound barrier. Yes, a Carkano will
- 56:09be loud, especially within the under twenty foot distance from the sixth floor to
- 56:16the fifth floor open windows. However, it's not an especially loud rifle.
- 56:22Compared to all other World War II service rifles, it is one of the
- 56:28least loud. The only service rifles more quiet are the Japanese a risk of
- 56:30type thirty and thirty eight six and a half millimeter. Interesting to me is
- 56:35the Japanese downgraded from seven point seven to six point five Type thirty eight Arisaka
- 56:40for snipers because the ninety nine muzzle blasts would stir up more dust and dirt,
- 56:45giving away the sniper's position. The intelligent research will notice the TSBD employees
- 56:51who were in the building that didn't hear anything and had to be told the
- 56:54president was shot by employees coming back into the building. Finally, if you
- 57:00are not law enforcement or military, and you think there's someone with a firearm
- 57:04or any firearms shooting from inside the building, are you going to go inside
- 57:07that building? I have many military surplus rifles and own a carcano, and
- 57:13I don't think it's a very good weapon for really anything, but I wouldn't
- 57:16want to be shot with one. It's really only been in recent years the
- 57:19reputation that the carcano has improved, and I believe it's just the last surplus
- 57:24rifle available in a dried up surplus market, attracting new buyers who can't admit
- 57:29they bought a piece of crap. So thank you Garden and Guns. Yeah,
- 57:36I mean that's the question. I you know, if somebody has that
- 57:42barrel hanging out of the window sill and that rifle shoots in daily plaza and
- 57:52you're standing directly under it on the street, or you're standing across the street
- 57:57from it, or you are one floor below it in another open window.
- 58:04It's gonna sound like a freaking cannon went off. Joe, did you find
- 58:08I found a couple. Yeah, it's not gonna sound like a firecracker.
- 58:12And this actually came up on Quick Hits too. Everyone was you know how
- 58:16everyone described it sounded like a firecracker, Doug said. He mentioned he had
- 58:22heard that before. I mean, I feel like more than fifty percent of
- 58:27the people say it was a firecracker at first. Yeah, that karkando is
- 58:31not shooting a sub sonic you know, bullet. Yeah, Yo, you're
- 58:47gonna kill me. I have to go get my phone charger. I might
- 58:53complete blattop charger. But I did found a few man Chester uh Man Liquor
- 59:01Carcano videos. She's the man I will share if my computer dies while I
- 59:12go upstairs and get it, I will be back in a second. So
- 59:16this guy tries to shoot six shots in five point one seconds. This guy
- 59:22says the carcano M thirty eight. I think it's a six point five Carkano.
- 59:29There's a couple options here. I'll just start with the first one.
- 59:34It's only a minute. Go get your charger cool quiet on set. Huh
- 1:00:21okay, Well, I would like to think that that would be easy to
- 1:00:30hear, Like I said, if you're one floor below, or you're on
- 1:00:37the street, or you're across the street, that would be a no brainer
- 1:00:39for me to hear that. Did you miss that, Joe? I did
- 1:00:45miss it? Did sound We can play it again real quick, just start
- 1:00:52the video over. It's it's like ten seconds. H whoa, how many
- 1:01:22shots did you do there? Six shots in five seconds? Allegedly that was
- 1:01:29loud. Yeah, and this other guy next here says, uh, well
- 1:01:40rifle of Lee. Harvey Oswald will play a couple of seconds of that and
- 1:01:47yeah, yeah I saw that too, and I didn't. It didn't sound
- 1:01:52like that to me. Pumbled sorry igan, Oh, I mean that's a
- 1:01:59freaking a cannon. Josh, mooching pot. That's loud. Yeah, we
- 1:02:07do I better, I know the leader. Yeah, well a little whatever
- 1:02:14that is chow pattern, just a nice little round the whole six rounds.
- 1:02:21We didn't notice. Jesus, Yes, it went through all right. That
- 1:02:31was loud. That was really loud, really loud. So there you have
- 1:02:43it. That's the man liquor Caracano. Yeah, your ears. Your ears
- 1:02:50would rain if you were if it was sticking out the window the barrel,
- 1:02:54and you were the three African American employees. If few feet under right,
- 1:03:02you're hearing that, man, You're not. Just feel a little dust fall
- 1:03:07on your head and hearing a shell drop on the floor, but you're not
- 1:03:13hearing that bullshit. We're good TV. Don't worry, Jim, be check
- 1:03:22your Facebook all right. Next up, we got one from Sally. Sally,
- 1:03:27nice evening lads, Happy belated forth, Hope you had a good one
- 1:03:30sort of question for you not to stir the shite. Is there anything about
- 1:03:35the assassination that you two don't agree on? Why? Sally from across the
- 1:03:39pond, Joe, is there anything that we don't agree There's actually a lot
- 1:03:47more than you think we don't agree on. I don't know particularly, just
- 1:03:58maybe some general things I'm trying to think we I mean, when we went
- 1:04:12through for example, like the John T. Martin or James or of Martin
- 1:04:15things that took us months and months. We were very we had very different
- 1:04:19opinions on it, and we found out more information as we went along.
- 1:04:24I believe John T. Martin trying to think what aspect of him. Oh,
- 1:04:29I think it was. I really had to sell Joe on my okay,
- 1:04:33he went to talked to Walker and Walker tells me to go to New
- 1:04:36Orleans and blah blah blah, and then banished says, go film this type
- 1:04:42of thing. And Joe was a little pushing back on that theory. And
- 1:04:48maybe he still doesn't like that theory. I don't know. No, was
- 1:04:51it with his do we disagree on whether he was with his family or not?
- 1:04:56That was it? I was like, yo, it's nineteen sixty three.
- 1:05:00He would have been able to I guess take a short flight right and
- 1:05:03drive through like Shreetport to take a short flight without his parents that they go
- 1:05:09with him. I think we argued about that for a while. But that's
- 1:05:14what kind of what Rob and I do. I mean, I definitely we
- 1:05:16just come at it from different points and we just settle on the most logical
- 1:05:19and sometimes we don't see eye to eye on everything, which is good because
- 1:05:26I'd be boring. Yeah, we'd be boring if we did, you know,
- 1:05:30But any general sense, you know, yeah, we agree on most
- 1:05:35things. Again, doing the type of show that we do that is document
- 1:05:43based, it's not just me or Joe sitting up here and telling stories.
- 1:05:47Like some shows, it's hard to argue with testimony and documents and evidence and
- 1:05:58established facts and undeniable things. So that's what we try to bring you as
- 1:06:05factual, document based research. It's hard to argue with for a reason.
- 1:06:14Yeah, And I think we sometimes differ on the way we interpret a certain
- 1:06:17document, right, Like, we'll know what the document says, but there
- 1:06:21might be little aspects in which we disagree on. But I could tell you
- 1:06:27if you listen to our private messages, you would probably be like, yeah,
- 1:06:30you guys don't agree on it. Well, well, well, mister
- 1:06:33Hemming is in the house. Oh brother, how for you sir? In
- 1:06:40case you didn't know, that is one of our favorite characters, Jerry Patrick
- 1:06:45Heming's son Philip Hemming is in the house. Also star of episode eighty five
- 1:06:55of the Lonegoming Podcast, the first ever live one. Yes, it's that's
- 1:07:01a great one. Yes, if you want to benj an Old show,
- 1:07:06definitely go down to the first live Absolutely. All right, you ready for
- 1:07:14another email, Joseph of course. Okay, this comes from Paula Jane PJ.
- 1:07:25Yeah, do you have a podcast about Jerry or June Cobb. Well,
- 1:07:30Paula, that's a very good question. The answer is no, we
- 1:07:34don't yet. Being the keyword here your friend and ours uh big bad John
- 1:07:45from Seattle was nice enough to send me a copy of Mary Harstick's new book
- 1:07:54A Woman I Knew or A Woman I Know and I Am. Currently it
- 1:08:02is currently in the rotation. I think it's going to be one of the
- 1:08:08next ones I get to. So I promise you we will have a show
- 1:08:11on this coming up because I think an interview with the author is a little
- 1:08:16biased. I think it needs a more removed eyeball, and that's what we're
- 1:08:24going to give it. So it will be coming up in the near future.
- 1:08:28Paula, PJ for sure. Ye all right. Next up, we
- 1:08:33have a question from Tiny Dance Eye. Hey Rob, remember lone coming podcast
- 1:08:42show number one three? I don't. They're all a blur, but she
- 1:08:49does clarify it thankfully. The ACME Building and Maintenance with Tim Yakarino one of
- 1:08:55my favorites, one of Joe's favorite shows. It's a great a great example
- 1:09:00of someone that took something no one's ever looked into and did a shitload of
- 1:09:06research on it. Fascinating. Yes, he said he was going to post
- 1:09:15a guest list for the luncheon of the trademark. Twenty six hundred people were
- 1:09:17invited to the luncheon. Do you know if he ever made the list available?
- 1:09:27I will, and I'm kind of changing your wording there a little bit,
- 1:09:31TD, not that I know of. In fact, that dude has
- 1:09:39dropped off the face of the earth. I do believe he's still a Facebook
- 1:09:43friend of mine, but honestly, I haven't talked to the dude since the
- 1:09:50show, so yeah, he is still a friend of mine. It looks
- 1:09:57like he is doing quite well. Wait a minute, I was gonna say
- 1:10:02it looks like he got his ass beat here. He's doing well well.
- 1:10:10I mean, what do you think it? Is? It Halloween? No,
- 1:10:18I couldn't see it that they're in a cupcake. Looks like they're in
- 1:10:21a bakery, so that just may be icing. I don't know, but
- 1:10:26it looks like he found a beautiful bride. We joked with him, but
- 1:10:31definitely a good dude. And then maybe I need to reach out to him
- 1:10:33and uh see if he is still on because I mean, he's a fairly
- 1:10:42young looking dude and it's probably been what god five at least five years since
- 1:10:46then, so maybe it's worth another reach out. Yeah, and see what
- 1:10:54he's up to. But yeah, he's a cool dude and definitely good research.
- 1:11:00I'm about to go back and listen to that episode actually, because it's
- 1:11:02been a while. You should. It's a it's a banger, as they
- 1:11:05say these days, it's a banger. Uh m hm, let's see this,
- 1:11:19James. He still doesn't contain any facts. Who Scott Kayser, Oh,
- 1:11:28this the last chapter of the Haberstick book is a wild hail merry,
- 1:11:31but the rest of the book is mind blowing. Okay, if true?
- 1:11:39You know one thing I always I want to remember, and whether or not
- 1:11:45you are a fan of his research or not, but I believe uh what
- 1:11:53was his name, Joe, I'm drawing a blank, not the blank th
- 1:12:00Robbie, No, no, what hp Albarelli, that's it. I believe
- 1:12:10he spent a lot of time with June Cobb in North Carolina, like so
- 1:12:16much so that she was like the godmother of his kid or something. So
- 1:12:21it seems odd to me that some you know, an investigative person like that
- 1:12:29to be that close with June Cobb wouldn't know this story about Jerry Cobb and
- 1:12:36possibly what was going on here and there and everywhere. I don't know,
- 1:12:42it's a it's an interesting supposition. Yeah, and kind of like Wisebert was
- 1:12:46super close to Hall, wasn't he mm hmmm No, maybe not in the
- 1:12:58same way, but yeah, not necessarily the same way, but he was.
- 1:13:03He was friendly with him, but I know he didn't trust him,
- 1:13:10hence the whole black bag jobs. But and I think moving up in the
- 1:13:16late seventies, he definitely didn't want anything to do with him after the HSCA.
- 1:13:24Thank you, Red Phillips. I wish I wasn't at work and you
- 1:13:28could join you boys and the other TLG fans have a good one watching when
- 1:13:32I get home. Well, thank you, Red. We will see you
- 1:13:38soon and thank you again for the super chat and have a good rest of
- 1:13:45your work day or shift. Oh I'm getting a call right now, Malex
- 1:13:56Harris. Should I answer it? Yeah? You have to, okay to
- 1:14:00preface that, tell them we're live. Hello, Hi, what's up?
- 1:14:06Alex? You are live on the Longoming podcast? My friend? What is
- 1:14:10happening a lot? Really? Yeah? Well, would you like to update
- 1:14:17the people? What's going on, brother, Absolutely, I just got word
- 1:14:24today and I got these today. I have the the Mexico's City tapes from
- 1:14:31the CIA. I saw that you started uploading a couple of them. Do
- 1:14:38you have relevant dates? Yes, you do. I have the dates.
- 1:14:45I have which embassy they came from. I have most of the information that's
- 1:14:50with them. Do you have the ones supposedly dating back to September October not,
- 1:15:01I don't think that far. No, but I have. There's some
- 1:15:04from November twenty second. Oh, that'd be some interesting chatter to listen to.
- 1:15:11Yeah, maybe before that, but I haven't seen any yet. Interesting.
- 1:15:15Interesting. There's one hundred and ninety three total. Good lord, Yep.
- 1:15:21It's gonna take a while to get them all up, but I'm certainly
- 1:15:25trying. Yeah, no doubt, probably gonna take a while. Yeah,
- 1:15:31Robin Alexy, it's been really interesting. I've been contacted by a number of
- 1:15:39people since this morning. Jefferson Morley, Larry Hancock. Both of them asked
- 1:15:47me questions about it. Yeah, I bet you're gonna have You're gonna have
- 1:15:50people banging your door down, brother, Yeah, something new like that doesn't
- 1:15:56come come across very often. And yeah, I don't know how you got
- 1:16:00him. I don't want to know, and you probably wouldn't tell me if
- 1:16:04you did. But it's awesome that you do have, and then you're making
- 1:16:08them public for sure. I mean, if we're on air right now,
- 1:16:12I don't want to say yeah no, yep, and Alex, I did
- 1:16:20my sources for stuff like this, but they are coming from a very very
- 1:16:28reputable Beverty the source. Awesome. That sounds awesome. Yeah, Alex,
- 1:16:34Joe has a question for you. Joe, he can't hear you, so
- 1:16:39just ask me and I'll ask him. Okay. I was just going to
- 1:16:41mention that when you stepped away for a second, I did mention the one
- 1:16:44hundred and ninety three videos and at the translator request and all that. So
- 1:16:50yeah, we did put it out here for everybody to check out your channel
- 1:16:54and the whole interpret interpret interpreter request or if people could understand what they're hearing
- 1:17:01on there to get, you know, to reach out with you and uh
- 1:17:06uh. And that's partially why I want to talk about this on here,
- 1:17:12is because I need someone who can translate them from the Russian and Spanish into
- 1:17:16English. Yeah, for sure, you probably have better luck with the Spanish
- 1:17:21than the Russian. But yeah, some people may know both out there.
- 1:17:26Who knows. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. They can reach out to
- 1:17:30you at the JFK Theorists at gmail dot com. Is that right. The
- 1:17:34JFK Theorists may let gmail dot com. The JFK Theorists mail yep at gmail
- 1:17:42dot com. Yep. There you go, folks. If you'd like to
- 1:17:46help Alex out, and if you'd like to listen to these Mexico City tapes,
- 1:17:51head over to the JFK Theorist channel on YouTube and check them out.
- 1:17:56Alex thanks so much for checking in with his brother. Yeah, thank you,
- 1:18:00thank you. Good weekend you too, all right, see you see
- 1:18:08And just like that, folks, that's how it is being a JFK researcher.
- 1:18:11You can get wild calls all the time from the craziest of people.
- 1:18:15No, it's awesome. I mean, you can't get any more live than
- 1:18:18that, you know, And it's and it's kind of a big deal.
- 1:18:24So if Hancock and Morley we both reached out to him today, that's a
- 1:18:30big I mean, that's it's not a not big deal, right, And
- 1:18:34you know that it's a lot of videos it's going to take a lot of
- 1:18:39work. It's not just going to be listening to something for an hour and
- 1:18:42transcribing. It's going to be hours and hours and dozens and maybe it's going
- 1:18:47to be a lot of work. But it's going to reveal new information in
- 1:18:51this sixty one year old case, almost right, And that's really cool.
- 1:18:57The new stuff is coming out, you know. Unfortunately there hasn't been new
- 1:19:00documents released since uh leave June or April of last year or May. But
- 1:19:06so cool, great that this is coming out. Love it. Love the
- 1:19:10collaboration of the rational wing, the research wing of the JFK. Yeah for
- 1:19:16sure. Sure, all right there, Joe, that's it. My email
- 1:19:24bag is dry. Okay, so no, you briefly mentioned uh irvent Ralph's
- 1:19:34email. I was just going to read the first part of it if you
- 1:19:40uh and this one was Lee. It's Lee Lee Ralph. Yeah, okay,
- 1:19:45oh yeah, you have to blow him up. Yeah, yeah,
- 1:19:49okay. A big fan of your podcast. I listened to the show while
- 1:19:54at work, and I've listened to every episode as a researcher myself. I
- 1:19:58enjoy that you and Joe dig into the facts and cut through the BS not
- 1:20:03just repeating someone else's research, as many podcasts do. And then he goes
- 1:20:09on he mentioned he's a researcher on a different topic book about the Bloody Vendors
- 1:20:15entitled Hell Comes to Play The true untold story of America's mass murdering family,
- 1:20:19the Bloody Benders, and the offered to send us a copy, as you
- 1:20:24mentioned, and thank you, Lee, We appreciate it. We'll get back
- 1:20:28to you. Yes, and we already looked at tiny Dancers email. What
- 1:20:45are you laughing at? Carlos could translatetention? H see, Yeah, it's
- 1:20:58it's gonna be fascinating to see what what that yields. And I don't think
- 1:21:01we're going to see or hear me think I wanted to chop on my binger.
- 1:21:06I don't think we're gonna hear Lee Harvey oswalt in there because I think
- 1:21:11if he was on those tapes, it would have been out a long time
- 1:21:15ago, right, because that would have that would have been there narrative,
- 1:21:19it would have backed it up even more. But there may be some chatter
- 1:21:21about the assassination, which could be interesting coming from the Russian and Cuban embassy.
- 1:21:29Depending on who you're talking to for sure. Of course they would have
- 1:21:31known that their phones are tapped, so who knows what is on these tapes.
- 1:21:38But yeah, I bet some admots are on those tapes for sure.
- 1:21:44And you gotta wonder if when Scott is on there. No, I wouldn't
- 1:21:50be, he wouldn't be calling those embassies. But yeah, that's right.
- 1:21:54Philip Oswald did go to the Cuban embassy in LA because that's where his dad.
- 1:22:02Yeah, that was before he went to Russia. I believe, when
- 1:22:05he was stationed in California. Yes, so it's pretty some pretty cool things
- 1:22:15happening this week, Rob, It's exciting, exciting times in the JFKA community,
- 1:22:23all kinds of good stuff. Yeah, I keep forgetting. I forget
- 1:22:27who I think it was. I think it was Sally. I was talking
- 1:22:30to you on Twitter. I was wondering about the the the Midnox's camera role
- 1:22:35that freaking A. J. Weberman got developed and published in his book The
- 1:22:40Oswalt Code. I keep forgetting to grab it and get, like some pictures
- 1:22:50ready, I just don't want to hold the book up, you know what
- 1:22:54I mean. I'd like to take some pictures of the pictures so we can
- 1:22:57actually see him on here. Maybe I'll do that for the next episode.
- 1:23:01Okay, that would be pretty sweet. That would be pretty deep, pretty
- 1:23:10sweet. So yeah, let us know if anyone has any questions here.
- 1:23:15We got forty four people in chat almost forty seven. Wrong, Yes,
- 1:23:20forty four is almost forty seven at least where I live. Did we call
- 1:23:28that close enough? Joe? Yeah, I really liked some of those answers
- 1:23:40from the fun question of where would you be for five minutes as a time
- 1:23:43traveler. We got some good answers of that. Yeah, I mean just
- 1:23:46about anywhere on that day you could figure something out. But uh man,
- 1:24:00yes, it was next week, Sally. I promise I will do my
- 1:24:06due diligence and get some pictures ready that we can actually show on here.
- 1:24:13So we're not looking at an open book outside general Outside General Walker's house,
- 1:24:21Trey says, when would you be outside General Walker's house, sir? And
- 1:24:30we got a question from south to west here probably April tenth, allegedly,
- 1:24:36or when maybe Fidal went to go visit him, right to be a fly
- 1:24:41on the wall. I was just sitting here at my desk. The next
- 1:24:44thing I know, boom, god damn bullet come through the window in the
- 1:24:48wall behind me. I'm just trying to do my taxes south to west.
- 1:24:57Question, is the most reasonable position that Oswalt isn't innocent, but he didn't
- 1:25:03act alone, So that would imply that he was somehow, somehow involved,
- 1:25:12somehow involved, but he didn't act alone. Yeah, hmm, it's possible.
- 1:25:24I don't know if it's the most reasonable explanation, but it's certainly possible
- 1:25:31because we still don't know where Oswald was at the time of the shot.
- 1:25:41Definitively we can argue about it, but nobody definitively knows. Yeh And someone
- 1:25:48said behind prayer Man to debunk him, I don't think, but that would
- 1:25:57be that would be a great place to Uh, you cannot debunk and Bart
- 1:26:01would Bart would cry, uh, yeah, it's see where Philip would be.
- 1:26:10He want to be in the room with whoever the two hundred and fifty
- 1:26:12thousand dollars contract for the job went to. Yeah, that would be an
- 1:26:17interesting The question is who took that two hundred and fifty k mister heming Yo,
- 1:26:25how about that meeting with Roselle Hall Geancanna And yeah, that's what that
- 1:26:34would be a great five fucking minutes. Bro, Yeah, and that might
- 1:26:40be what he's talking about. I think so. And uh, just to
- 1:26:45answer, uh, it was south Towest. You know, I don't know
- 1:26:55if a gun to my head. Did he take a shot or not?
- 1:26:59I would say, know, gone to my head, but I don't know,
- 1:27:24Okay, Southwest. I asked because I love the interview Triple B there
- 1:27:27with the author of Malcontent, Sean Gorilla. He was a former or I
- 1:27:33think he was a former cop, maybe a current cop. I don't know.
- 1:27:35He was analyzing Oswald's eye behavior, which is it was a good episode,
- 1:27:42you know, but again there's points and counterpoints to a lot of what
- 1:27:48he brought up. You know, when you're trying to read body language and
- 1:27:54vocal stress, physical signs of stress, indications of lying, just all kinds
- 1:28:01of stuff. It's very subjective, but you know it is what it is.
- 1:28:14Your dad was a bad ass, Feleet. I agree, damn straight.
- 1:28:19I mean he survived. Yeah, he was definitely a survivor. And
- 1:28:27I if you really want to have an interesting four or five. I don't
- 1:28:31know how long the aj Weberman thing is on YouTube. It's there, you
- 1:28:35could find it. It's hours long and It's very hard to follow if you
- 1:28:40don't have the specific context, but if you do, it's fascinating. Yeah,
- 1:28:47we're pretty comprehensive knowledge of you know, how things were going back the
- 1:28:54in certain operations humans. Well, he found it interpendent, you not?
- 1:29:00Yeah? Yeah, the Intercontinental Penetration Force. Yeah. And is that trademarked?
- 1:29:11Can we make T shirts to say that? I bet we could,
- 1:29:14bro, I doubt that's trademarked. We might have to give Philip like a
- 1:29:17five, or we'll give him a cut. Bro that that's a great merch
- 1:29:24idea inter pen Oh that is that's epic. We got to work on that.
- 1:29:30I would wear that shirt all day. Joe. Here's a question for
- 1:29:34you from being Mike. Would y'all have had relations with Marina in sixty two
- 1:29:41or sixty three? Yes, I'm gonna go I'm more of a sixty five
- 1:29:49to sixty seven guy, just saying I've heard some things you said to me
- 1:30:00privately that you would be down. Yeah. Later, she's she's pretty homely
- 1:30:09looking. I mean, but that's like the look back then. Yeah,
- 1:30:15but she got a little sexiers as the sixties went on, she got more
- 1:30:19money, and then the seventies hitting on. No, No, we don't
- 1:30:24think we're with a butt cut mullet, you know. I would one hundred
- 1:30:29definitely, sixty two to sixty three. It would be before James or Martin.
- 1:30:32It would be before the other Secret Service guy, before Kenneth Poor for
- 1:30:43sure, And I'd make it happen in the six Flags Motel Southwest after Marina
- 1:30:53got her teeth fixed. There you go. You never know. Uh yeah,
- 1:31:00sometimes teeth are a bad thing, not that I would know or anything.
- 1:31:06Yeah, I feel like she's the one that would like use some teeth
- 1:31:10and be like, yo, that's why this is the fun, long done
- 1:31:16min show here, all right, Dikeo thirty nine. I guess it's just
- 1:31:21me. I don't know, but when I watched the Z film, a
- 1:31:24headshot looks like the President's face actually comes off. I've always seen that when
- 1:31:30I watch it, never hurt anyone with the same opinion. Well, you
- 1:31:35know, if you go and you look at like the four K version that
- 1:31:40was out on YouTube, I think it should be still out there. The
- 1:31:45orange blob, as I call it is. I think it's just an effect
- 1:31:53of the bullet ripping through his head. And I don't know, it's it's
- 1:32:00hard to explain. I mean, nobody really knows for sure, because you
- 1:32:03look at the autopsy photos and you think, you know, well, damn
- 1:32:06it, he still looks his face is intact, he still looks good.
- 1:32:10But in the e film it looks like his face half his face explodes,
- 1:32:15the orange blob thing. So was it was it painted in or added later?
- 1:32:19You know? Who knows. There's people that believe that the film wasn't
- 1:32:21altered, that it was altered, and I think there's facts to support both
- 1:32:27opinions for sure, and I'm open to listen. I don't have I don't
- 1:32:30really really don't have a dog in the fight either way. But yeah,
- 1:32:39yeah, especially when you know, when the blood kind of shoots up in
- 1:32:43the mist and the car is moving at whatever miles an hour, it's going
- 1:32:46to go back a little bit, which is why some of them are.
- 1:32:50Jeff has entered the chat. Whoa, whoa. I have to be on
- 1:32:56a scooter, No, a wrecking scooter, just like the T shirt.
- 1:33:01We have the artwork already, Jeff, for sure. Or or we could
- 1:33:06do a Jack Ruby themed he would just eat him and stuff hot sauce.
- 1:33:14Yes, but I think a Joey Scars would be a good one. That
- 1:33:17would be a really good one. I'd be among the Joey cars, brain
- 1:33:21damage, scooter juice. Yes, and we gave a nice shout out earlier.
- 1:33:31Jeff and I actually tried some killer hot for the first time live in
- 1:33:36the beginning of the show with Casada. I had and it was hot,
- 1:33:42and I accidentally poured too much on and Rob was like, oh, You're
- 1:33:45gonna die and I survived. I have thank you again. I have bottles
- 1:33:51all lined up here, so appreciate it again, buddy. Yeah. The
- 1:33:55question, Philip is whether or not it damaged his face. He's like the
- 1:34:00orange blob in the Zuppruter film. I understand his head exploded, but you
- 1:34:05know, did it come out the back or the side or what are we
- 1:34:10looking at here? It's just hard to tell. Yeah, it did look
- 1:34:14like there was a flap almost right, but in like a picture of the
- 1:34:17autopsy would be like not flopped over. I guess hot sauce explosions. Oh
- 1:34:31Johnson thirty six, you know this man? Yeah? Oh sorry, I'll
- 1:34:50just say yes, BETHESESA. Colleen said there was no brain right, and
- 1:35:00there was I know there was blood and and some I think tissue on was
- 1:35:08it bj Martin? The motorcycle Martin that we had looked into We had found
- 1:35:13his statements and it wasn't apparent him at first, but when he got to
- 1:35:17Parkland he did realize it was on his bike and he was to the back
- 1:35:20left right because Hargas was on the right. If you're kind of face behind
- 1:35:26you, Hargus was on the left and Martin was on the right. Oh,
- 1:35:29okay, I'm sorry, Thank you. Boo yeah, ding ding ding
- 1:35:40ring and ding ding. Thank you, Perpetual Concepts, Thank you. I
- 1:35:44had dropped this super chat while golfing in one hundred and five degree weather in
- 1:35:46California. Brain matters. Dude is Melton in Cali in the Death Valley playing
- 1:35:54golf. God bless you. I respect that. Hey, what do you?
- 1:35:57Uh? What do you? What are you shooting? What's your handicap?
- 1:36:00Is your handicap better than Trump or Biden's at six or eight's a he's
- 1:36:06a sixty nine er Joe. Of course that wouldn't he be. Yeah,
- 1:36:12And we don't get into politics on the show, but that back and forth
- 1:36:16about the golf and the handicaps was the funniest part of that debate by far.
- 1:36:26I've been looking back around them. Oh boy, when I answered this
- 1:36:42for you, cat Daddy Steve, Yes, uh, I believe I addressed
- 1:36:48this way BJ before Joe. I actually used to talk to this dude on
- 1:36:57a somewhat regular basis mini years ago for ten, fifteen years ago, something
- 1:37:03like that, and I thought he was doing good work until he got exposed
- 1:37:13for faking photographic images, which is a shame. You know. I know
- 1:37:25the dude was into like big footing on UFOs and all this other stuff too,
- 1:37:28But yeah, he got caught faking a photo of the so I think
- 1:37:38it was a six floor window, putting an image of Oswald standing in behind
- 1:37:43the window and claiming it was some authentic photo that he had enhanced or something.
- 1:37:48But it was actually a shot of Oswald from after he was arrested that
- 1:37:56he had like flipped and cropped and made some opaque and put behind a window
- 1:38:01and like the power photo or something. I don't know that that won't do
- 1:38:06well for your other videos and pictures then, right, Yeah, I mean
- 1:38:11that the credibility at that point is shot, because if you fake that,
- 1:38:15what else have you been faking? And and he had this other dude working
- 1:38:18with him that was colorizing photos and things like that, and we just I
- 1:38:25just couldn't. I just couldn't pay attention to him anymore. And you know,
- 1:38:29sayd what happened to the guy? And but hey, all right,
- 1:38:36Jeff sounds good, my friend. His handicap is an eight. Joe,
- 1:38:46who is good? That is good, That is good. And that's while
- 1:38:57he's drunk. So apparently, yeah, so he has to same handicap as
- 1:39:01Biden said he had. Who do you think would win Perpetual Concepts for Biden?
- 1:39:05I think Biden's handicapped. Okay, oh man, yes, Sally,
- 1:39:15he passed away. Yes, well, I hope you enjoyed the rest of
- 1:39:20your round Perpetual Concepts, And thank you again for the super child. Love
- 1:39:26to play with you sometime. I'm not even close to any and not in
- 1:39:32gay way. God, m all right, folks, you got anything else?
- 1:39:44People, Joe, you got anything else? No? I just want
- 1:39:48to thank everyone for coming to hang on this Friday night after the fourth of
- 1:39:54July. We had some fun and you know, we covered some fun topics.
- 1:40:00We got some breaking news, some live calls, exciting stuff. Yeah,
- 1:40:05lots of famous folks coming to visiting the chats. We had Doug Campbell,
- 1:40:10Jeff from Silk City, Philip Hemming. I mean, come on,
- 1:40:15what more star studed episode fourth of JULYX Dravaganza do you want from us?
- 1:40:20People? Come on and all the regulars who show up every week. We
- 1:40:27love it, We love all you. You know who you are. Yeah,
- 1:40:30you guys are awesome. You know. We love doing this and we
- 1:40:34figured it'd be a fun episode to just hang out and shoot the breeze for
- 1:40:40once and have a limited hangout whatever that may mean. I know what it
- 1:40:46means. Sometimes we get called limited hangouts, you know, But I don't
- 1:40:54think we will. I can think of some people who might be, but
- 1:40:59I'll be nice. Fourth of July week, Yeah, Happy Independence Day everybody?
- 1:41:06And what what did Doug say something about Custer? Oh? Yeah happy?
- 1:41:16It was a happy Custer day or happy? Uh? God? Like?
- 1:41:23Yeah, I forget what he said. Go to his Facebook Deferly Hills
- 1:41:30Cop. Yes, the new one just got released on Netflix. That Custer
- 1:41:44died for your sins? Yes, Custer and someone entity? Who entity?
- 1:41:54Custer and Kennedy died for your sins? M hm. And there what Philip
- 1:42:01says, go hit the thumbs up button if you're not well. You have
- 1:42:03to be subscribed to be commenting. Uh So, thank you everybody for hanging
- 1:42:10out with us here again, and we'll be back next week with another exciting
- 1:42:17episode of the lone Goming Podcast. That's right back to the docks we will
- 1:42:23go, and not the boondocks apparently, damn it? Where's our outro?
- 1:42:30Joe? Why isn't it looping? All right? We always talked to her
- 1:42:34if I love it? Leegh. Henry Oswall said he was going to make
- 1:42:42us a longer outro so we wouldn't have to loop it, but I told
- 1:42:46him, no, rush, because we can loop in in the meantime.
- 1:42:48So in the near future we shall have a longer outro, a nice low,
- 1:42:58soft acoustic piece to talk over. Right, Roger, he loves doing
- 1:43:02the soft and acoustic things top gun joking, but he does it for us
- 1:43:09because he loves us. I play the song sometimes for someone else. All
- 1:43:17right, folks, that's gonna do it for us once again. Thanks for
- 1:43:21hanging out and we'll see you next week. Peace, peace and Silk City
- 1:43:36Grease, what do you think about that? And some pish job