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The Kenny Report | 30 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in for Chris Kenny this week
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  Speaker 4: as he takes a well deserved break. Coming up tonight,
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  Speaker 4: it's an amateur hour on the world stage as Penny
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  Speaker 4: Wong is sent to the US as Labour's peacemaker. As
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  Speaker 4: the relationship with our number one ally is tested, the
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  Speaker 4: Victorian government can't help itself as it seeks to set
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  Speaker 4: up its very own voice to Parliament. Warren Mundine will
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  Speaker 4: join me shortly on this latest divisive attempt and the
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  Speaker 4: fallout from the anti Semitic comments made at Glastonbury is
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  Speaker 4: at nothing more than a dangerous anti Israel festival. I'll
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  Speaker 4: go live to Brendan O'Neill in London for his take.
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  Speaker 4: But first, Labor is breathtakingly useless on global issues, foreign
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  Speaker 4: policy and now in support of our allies, especially America.
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  Speaker 4: It's desperately and catch up when it comes to its
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  Speaker 4: relationship with the United States and the fractures of glaringly obvious.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister only has himself to blame. Yet, instead
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  Speaker 4: of getting on a plane to the States to sort
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  Speaker 4: it out.
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  Speaker 3: He sends in.
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  Speaker 4: His Foreign Minister Penny Wong, appointing her as some sort
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  Speaker 4: of chief negotiator, Penny the peacekeeper with the weight of
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  Speaker 4: the Labor government on her shoulders an utter embarrassment when
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  Speaker 4: you think both her and Albo have refused to stand
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  Speaker 4: up for the US. Both called for de escalation between
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  Speaker 4: Israel and Iran before the US bomb Duran's nuclear facilities
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  Speaker 4: this month, both equally obsessed with calling for kalm, choosing
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  Speaker 4: not to stand with the US for the first twenty
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  Speaker 4: four hours.
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  Speaker 3: Penny Wong has shown complete.
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  Speaker 4: Disregard for Israel, a key ally of Australia and America,
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  Speaker 4: going as far as to reward her musk on the
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  Speaker 4: world stage at the United Nations. And let's be honest,
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  Speaker 4: Labor has been weakened cowardly since October seven. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we could have shown Donald Trump our diplomacy.
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  Speaker 3: Been the ally that we've always.
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  Speaker 4: Been and shown the President that we are committed to
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  Speaker 4: the relationship and the alliance. Instead, Labor has done the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't support our number one ally who tried to
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  Speaker 4: destroy terror in Iran and only came out in support
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  Speaker 4: a day later, and instead of the Prime Minister going
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  Speaker 4: over to the US himself, he adopts his usual nothing
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  Speaker 4: to see approach back home.
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  Speaker 5: I have been to the US. I was there a
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  Speaker 5: little over a week ago, but I look forward to
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  Speaker 5: returning to the US. We continue to engage with our
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  Speaker 5: American friends, and Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, will be
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  Speaker 5: there this week.
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  Speaker 4: Penny Wong will have a one on one meeting with
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  Speaker 4: her US counterparts, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, as part
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  Speaker 4: of a meeting of nations and the Quad Alliance. And look, sure,
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  Speaker 4: this is the role of a foreign minister to attend
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  Speaker 4: these meetings, but there are too many shoes at stake
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  Speaker 4: for the Prime Minister not to get on a flight
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  Speaker 4: out there, and Penny will be breaking the stick of
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  Speaker 4: the mop in trying to mop up this big mess.
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  Speaker 4: Firstly on defense spending. The United States wants us to
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  Speaker 4: step up and rightly sow. Yet here was Albo today
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  Speaker 4: still telling us he's doing enough.
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  Speaker 5: Fifty seven billion dollars that we have in the budget.
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  Speaker 5: You have fifty seven billion dollars. Fifty seven billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: isn't nothing. Ten billion dollars over the forward estimates.
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  Speaker 6: Republican and Michael mccaulan Democrats. Courtney, obviously, I noting what
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  Speaker 6: you just said, but they've urged you to set up
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  Speaker 6: a meeting with the President at the White House, saying
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  Speaker 6: that would be sound advice and a great gesture.
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  Speaker 3: Is that anything you're working towards the possibility this year? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: well tell that to the US. I wait, Penny one
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  Speaker 3: will apparently.
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  Speaker 4: And secondly, she'll have to clarify Australia's position on the
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  Speaker 4: US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities as we know.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Albo had no comment.
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  Speaker 4: He was ma other than a statement calling for calm,
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  Speaker 4: then had a stunning change in sentiment a day later
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  Speaker 4: when he and Penny Wong had a lightbulb moment where
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  Speaker 4: they both realize that they do support the US's actions.
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  Speaker 3: Thirdly, UCAS will.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt come up as part of Penny's peacekeeping trip.
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  Speaker 4: Elbridge Colby, the US Defense under Secretary for Policy, has
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  Speaker 4: announced a review of that agreement, and when asked today
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  Speaker 4: about it, the Prime Minister got angry.
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  Speaker 6: Has the government.
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  Speaker 3: Engaged directory it with Elbridge Colby?
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  Speaker 5: In the last couple months, we engage with everyone in
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  Speaker 5: the United States, We engage with everyone in the United States.
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  Speaker 5: We engage with everyone in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break.
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  Speaker 4: Seriously, this is what America sees when our prime minister
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  Speaker 4: is asked about serious issues relating to both of us
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  Speaker 4: and the fourth of course, the fourth issue is the
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  Speaker 4: elephant in the room. As revealed on Sky News this
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  Speaker 4: morning by Donald Trump's polster Brent Buchanan.
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  Speaker 7: Donald Trump needs to find an Australian that he likes,
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  Speaker 7: or Australia needs to find an Australian that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 7: likes and let that person take point. Because so much
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  Speaker 7: with Donald Trump is personal relationship.
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  Speaker 8: Do you think this is personal he simply doesn't know
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Albaneasi or he doesn't like him.
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  Speaker 7: I think he doesn't like the current ambassador. And that's
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  Speaker 7: one of the biggest issues. Really.
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  Speaker 8: Wow you So that ambassadorial role really matters when it
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  Speaker 8: gets to come to getting through those concrete walls with
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  Speaker 8: certain people.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, with certain countries and certain people.
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  Speaker 3: So there it is. It's Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Rudd is the problem, as we knew he would
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  Speaker 4: be when he called Trump at traitor to the West,
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  Speaker 4: the village idiot and the most destructive president in history.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, no wonder Trump did not bother to meet
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  Speaker 4: with Albow this month in Canada. Why would he bother
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  Speaker 4: and how embarrassing Anthony alban Easy will not get on
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  Speaker 4: a plane on his big boy pants and go over
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  Speaker 4: there and deal with it himself, despite pleas from Congress.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, two senior US lawmakers have issued a bipartisan
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  Speaker 4: plea for the Prime Minister to prioritize a White House visit.
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  Speaker 4: Republican Michael McCall and Democrat Joe Courtney in the US
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  Speaker 4: House of Representatives said that President Donald Trump valued one
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  Speaker 4: on one interactions and his approach to democracy was heavily
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  Speaker 4: influenced by his past as a deal maker. So the
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  Speaker 4: question is why on earth would America now listen to
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  Speaker 4: Penny Wong. I mean, both her and the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: have buried their heads in the sand and made us
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  Speaker 4: a laughing stock on global issues.
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  Speaker 3: Foreign policy matters. Yet by shrugging off.
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  Speaker 4: America's requests on defense spending, failing to support our number
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  Speaker 4: one ally in its attack on Iran, the relationship, our
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  Speaker 4: most important relationship, is on shaky grounds. And this really
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  Speaker 4: is a disaster. Anthony Albanesi and Pennywong are unfit to
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  Speaker 4: steer this country in a direction where we are respected
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  Speaker 4: by the United States. It's quite frankly amateur hour on
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  Speaker 4: the world stage. The more Albow gets defensive gets angry,
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  Speaker 4: the less time he spends trying to engage with Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: And we need Trump more than ever as the world
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  Speaker 4: faces perilous times. So good luck, Penny, you'll need it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: here's a way to ensure the Liberal Party remains in opposition.
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  Speaker 4: Go woke and implement gender quotas now. Robert Menzis once said, quote,
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  Speaker 4: no woman can demand.
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  Speaker 3: A place or a career just because she is a woman.
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  Speaker 4: If it is outmoded and absurd to treat a woman's
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  Speaker 4: sex as a political disqualification, it seems to me equally
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  Speaker 4: absurd to claim it as a qualification in itself.
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  Speaker 3: You have to wonder how would.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Menzi feel about the push now internally for gender quotas.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: This headline last week in the Australian newspaper left me gobsmacked.
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  Speaker 4: Women problem could kill off the Liberals, says Linda Reynolds,
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  Speaker 4: and she went on to say that quotas in some
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  Speaker 4: form must be considered and adopted if we are to
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  Speaker 4: realize genuine gender reform before it is too late, and
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  Speaker 4: since then more singular liberals have added their voices to quotas,
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  Speaker 4: and Rustin says we can no longer rule out the
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  Speaker 4: temporary use of quotas as an option, given we have
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  Speaker 4: not met our targets to date by other means. The
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  Speaker 4: debate into this short term gender quotas is actually being
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  Speaker 4: pushed by New South Wales moderate senator Maria Kovasich, and
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  Speaker 4: the keyword there being moderate and moderates, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: cannot win elections now. There are so many issues going
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  Speaker 4: on in this country right now, above all cost of living,
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  Speaker 4: which the Liberal Party would do well if it had
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  Speaker 4: some genuine policy of alternatives on serious issues. Instead, for
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  Speaker 4: some reason, the party is panicking over gender and identity politics. Now,
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  Speaker 4: what has gender got to do with the cost of
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  Speaker 4: living crisis, or on national security or energy, or on
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  Speaker 4: any other problems in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing. And the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: Is not at risk of being killed off because of women.
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  Speaker 4: It's because they have no appeal across the board. They've
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  Speaker 4: stray away from conservative values and offer no genuine alternative policies.
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  Speaker 4: So why the Liberals are now even considering gender quotas
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  Speaker 4: is beyond me, yet it seems to be on the cards.
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  Speaker 9: If some state divisions choose to implement quotas, that's fine.
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  Speaker 9: If others don't, that's also fine. But what is not
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  Speaker 9: fine is not having enough women.
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  Speaker 4: Now, let's not forget Susan Lee was elected by her
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  Speaker 4: colleagues as the first women to lead the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: Is not like Julia Gillard, and that should actually be
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  Speaker 4: evidence in itself of the Liberal Party's core belief of
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  Speaker 4: a merit based system to function as a meritocracy in
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  Speaker 4: line with its founding values, something Barnaby Joyce backed in
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  Speaker 4: on Deneka and James last night.
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  Speaker 10: You don't go to a dentists saying well, i want
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  Speaker 10: gender quotas and I'm quite happy to take another type
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  Speaker 10: of I wanted a different type of dentists because I
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  Speaker 10: want a different type of gender. You want someone when
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  Speaker 10: they got the drill in your mouth, knows what they're doing,
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  Speaker 10: and that sort of skill set. Why should it be
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  Speaker 10: not the case for politics which actually runs the whole nation.
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  Speaker 4: And what makes it even more bizarre is that this
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  Speaker 4: is a party so focused now on gender yet can't
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  Speaker 4: even define what a woman is. You recall During the
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  Speaker 4: election campaign, former Opposition leader Peter Dutton was asked about
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  Speaker 4: the UK Court decision which.
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  Speaker 3: Found there are, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Only two genders male and female, and Dunton at the
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  Speaker 4: time said it was a UK issue he didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to answer, And so now months.
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  Speaker 3: Later it beggars belief that Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 4: And other MPs insist there's a woman problem in the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party. Yet we still don't even know what its
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  Speaker 4: definition of a woman is. So if the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 4: can't to find a woman, how can it have a
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  Speaker 4: woman problem.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that the party should not get more
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  Speaker 4: women in the ranks.
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  Speaker 3: It needs to.
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  Speaker 4: Female membership of the Young Liberal Movement sat at thirty
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  Speaker 4: four point eight percent to sixty five point two percent
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  Speaker 4: after the twenty twenty two election, and female membership sits
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  Speaker 4: at forty two point nine percent women and fifty seven
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  Speaker 4: point one percent men. That's according to the Menzies Research Center,
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  Speaker 4: and clearly increasing membership is important.
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  Speaker 3: It is key to getting more women running up.
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  Speaker 4: And through the ranks, and the other challenge, of course,
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  Speaker 4: is to attract more female voters. Early this year, women
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  Speaker 4: strongly favored the coalition, but by the end of April
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  Speaker 4: that had blown up about a week out from the poll,
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  Speaker 4: and largely this had to do with the faith work
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  Speaker 4: from home policy. So it's not a case of the
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  Speaker 4: party being unable to attract the female.
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  Speaker 3: Vote, because it can and clearly it has.
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  Speaker 4: It's about a strong, cohesive policy platform reflecting those values,
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  Speaker 4: whether it be through childcare reform that is a big one,
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  Speaker 4: or woman's health for example. The policy has to be right.
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  Speaker 4: But the more you raise that gender card, the more
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  Speaker 4: you stray away from conservative values, and well you may
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  Speaker 4: as well be the Labor Party with quoters.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: As a woman, I find it utterly offensive that a
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  Speaker 4: woman should be handed a role just for being a woman.
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  Speaker 4: It is a victim narrative, and not just for a woman,
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  Speaker 4: but it also discriminates against men. It says that a
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  Speaker 4: woman needs help to achieve a goal because.
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  Speaker 3: She can't do it alone.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever happened to ambition, whatever happened to being a go getter,
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  Speaker 4: to being a woman who wants to achieve something because
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  Speaker 4: they believe in it, and being handed as senior role
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  Speaker 4: because you are firstly and most importantly and.
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  Speaker 3: This is key here, the right for the job, and because.
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  Speaker 4: You've earned it, and it would be a blight on
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  Speaker 4: a Conservative party to focus on gender and throw out
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  Speaker 4: the foundations.
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  Speaker 3: Of what once made the Liberals great.
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  Speaker 4: Focus on becoming a formidable opposition to take on labor
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  Speaker 4: at the next election and win.
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  Speaker 3: Focus on genuine policy.
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  Speaker 4: To make a difference to the lives of Australians, and
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  Speaker 4: for goodness sake, quit the identity politics crap or go left, Johnny.
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  Speaker 4: Now on the day's news is Shadow Cabinet Secretary Andrew Wallace. Andrew,
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  Speaker 4: it's nice to catch up with you. Thank you so
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  Speaker 4: much for joining me on the show this evening. I
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  Speaker 4: want to start with I'm on fire tonight. I'm back
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  Speaker 4: from holidays and I fire.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for that. Now, look, Andrew, I.
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  Speaker 4: Want to start with Penny Wong's peacekeeping mission, which is
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  Speaker 4: what I'm calling it.
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  Speaker 3: To Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 4: To try and patch up this relationship. And I just
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  Speaker 4: think she's got the weight of labor on her shoulders.
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  Speaker 4: But do you think that the Prime Minister should be
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  Speaker 4: actually be the one on the plane self to deal
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  Speaker 4: with the issues at hand.
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  Speaker 11: Well, in some respects yes, in other respects no. We
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  Speaker 11: all know that Penny Wong calls the shots in the
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  Speaker 11: Labor Party. The Prime Minister's just the front man, I think.
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  Speaker 11: But in all seriousness, no, though the Prime Minister I
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  Speaker 11: have been urging the Prime Minister to do his absolute
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  Speaker 11: level best to get meetings with Donald Trump, whether that
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  Speaker 11: was in Canada, whether it was at the Hague in
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  Speaker 11: the Netherlands with the NATO or in the Oval Office.
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  Speaker 11: This is the most important relationship that Australia has with
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  Speaker 11: between Australia and the US, and because of that relationship,
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  Speaker 11: it's incredibly important that the Prime Minister of the day
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  Speaker 11: gets along with the President of the day and vice versa.
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  Speaker 11: What we've seen really over the last seven months or so,
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  Speaker 11: in fact, really realistically much longer than that, because the
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  Speaker 11: Prime Minister's use of in judicious language towards President Trump.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know whether he thinks that President
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  Speaker 11: Trump this information doesn't get back to him, perhaps, but
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  Speaker 11: the reality is those chickens are coming home to roost
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  Speaker 11: and I think that the President really doesn't perhaps he
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  Speaker 11: doesn't like the Prime Minister. But be that as it may,
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  Speaker 11: the relationship it seems to be on very very rocky ground.
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  Speaker 11: But the Prime Minister has to pony up the Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister's job, irrespective of whether he likes Donald Trump or not,
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  Speaker 11: is to work on that relationship because it is so
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  Speaker 11: incredibly important to twenty seven million Australians. So you know,
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  Speaker 11: I've been very strong in my encouragement of the Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister to get that meeting with Donald Trump. Perhaps the
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  Speaker 11: reason he won't go over there and at least try
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  Speaker 11: is because he's too scared of failure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we know his previous comments about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: You know he's scared of Trump.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just interesting today to hear that Polster
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  Speaker 4: on Sky News saying that half of the problem is
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  Speaker 4: the ambassador being Kevin Rudden. And we've known for a
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  Speaker 4: long time that Rudd's comments haven't gone down well with
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  Speaker 4: the Trump administration. Yet here we are and nothing's being done. Look,
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  Speaker 4: I want to move on to another topic now, Andrew.
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk about this green crusade. It's not
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  Speaker 4: going too well. The climate Zealots will be in mourning
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  Speaker 4: today because Australia's largest green hydrogen project has been terminated.
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  Speaker 4: This is, of course, the Long Spruit twelve point five
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars Central Queensland hydrogen project. It's been touted though
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  Speaker 4: it was a huge deal for green energy, but not anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Have a listen, We'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 5: And what we know is that the green hydrogen sector
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  Speaker 5: has an enormous potential in this country. Only Labor has
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  Speaker 5: the plan to ensure that Australia is part of and
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  Speaker 5: he's leading that hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Andrew, well that's what they said about the project.
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  Speaker 3: It's over.
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  Speaker 4: Is this another nail in the coffin for the net
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  Speaker 4: zero fantasy?
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  Speaker 11: Well, it should be a nail in the coffin for
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  Speaker 11: Chris Bowen's career, because this guy, whatever he touches, it
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  Speaker 11: turns to you know what the reality is that I
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  Speaker 11: was amazed and really sad and to see ninety nine
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  Speaker 11: percent of these green energy hydrogen projects haven't got past
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  Speaker 11: the approval stage. Nothing has actually eventuated, and yet they
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  Speaker 11: have spent the government has spent tens of millions of
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  Speaker 11: dollars of taxpayers money and it is for nought. And
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  Speaker 11: this is just another example of another stuff up by
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  Speaker 11: Chris Bowen in his absolute ideological fantasy that he is
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  Speaker 11: driving and it is costing Australian's billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Before I let you go. I just want to
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  Speaker 4: ask you about the shambles that is the n z
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  Speaker 4: Yq A court decision. You've got Now you've got the
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  Speaker 4: Home Affairs Minister saying that the preventative detention laws that
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  Speaker 4: the bar set by the court is too high. That's
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  Speaker 4: why they're saying that they haven't used these laws that
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  Speaker 4: they rush through Parliament.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, Andrew, this is not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Why has Labor not been able to get it right
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to the release of these immigration detainees.
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  Speaker 11: Well, they haven't got it right because they don't believe
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  Speaker 11: in them. That's the short answer. I mean, the Labor
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  Speaker 11: government brought us back to Parliament to specifically pass these
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  Speaker 11: laws in an emergency arrangement, and they've not brought one
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: successful application to the court. We have consistently said as
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: an opposition, if you're having trouble, if you think there's
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: problems from a judicial perspective, from a legal perspective, we
• 19:04
  Speaker 11: will work with you to do whatever is necessary. Whatever
• 19:07
  Speaker 11: the advice that you're getting that says this is problematic,
• 19:10
  Speaker 11: let's fix it. But the Labor Party are once again
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: going soft on these n z Yq people and it's
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: a huge problem. As we're seeing people are being subjected
• 19:25
  Speaker 11: to all sorts of criminal activity, some as serious as murder,
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: and Australians are at risk by this group of detainees
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: or what should be detainees, and the Labor Party is
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: not taking this seriously.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't deserve to be here. I mean, that's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the simple.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Reality the should They don't deserve a right to be
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: in this country. And that's that's the deal of it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Andrew Wallace, We've got to leave it there. Thank you
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: so much for joining me on the show this evening,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: really appreciate it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Well let's move.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: On now because the Voice referendum was defeated, as we
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: know in fashion, but that's apparently not good enough for
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the Victorian Alan government, which is setting up its own
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Voice to Parliament.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Here was a premier justinto Allan today.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Indigenous people here in this state continue to be significantly
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: behind the rest of the population and that's not fair
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: for all of us. But when you listen to people,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you get better outcomes, and that's what treaty is all about.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I reckon, we're up for that. As a state, We're
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: up for this, We're up for this very simple common
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: sense change of involving and listening first people in the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: decisions that affect them.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Really, because if I recall, sixty percent of us voted
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: no to this racial division, and yet the left can't
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: help themselves. Joining us now is indigenous leader, businessman and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: author Warren Mundine Warren, it's nice to see you. Thank
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you so much for joining me on the show. So
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: here we go again, just into Alan Victorian government, ready
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: for a voice to parliament.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: What's your response?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, look, she just mentioned it's common sense in regard
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to having a voice and listening to people, and that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: what it says is that their government has failed. There's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: failed Abiginal entire straight on and the people that are
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: living there in Victoria. And that's that's that should be
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: held accountable for that. That's number one. Look what we've
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: been doing and when I was a young boy growing up,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and that we all fought, you know, my parents, my grandparents,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: that we all fought to be treated equal. We wanted
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: all those aboriginal laws that segregated us, and that to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: be dealt with and done away. You know, nineteen sixty two,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: we've got full voting rights as a Mensis government. Ninety
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: sixty seven the whole government. We were citizens of this country,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: but the states and territories were still.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Holding us back.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: We got rid of all that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: We've become full citizens. In regard to that, we had education.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you have education, you have land rights and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: native title, you have business and economic development. We've got
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of businesses. In fact, I know some businesses
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: have just gone over to India actually do business and.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: That over there.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: We've got a whole wide range of great things that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: are happened in this country. Because we want to be
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: treated the same as every other Australian, we should not
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: be having race based assemblies. When you look at this assembly,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know you talk about the referendum rejection that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: only one. You look at the vote for the First
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Voice to the South Australian Parliament only.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Ten exactly, a resounding success and Victoria seven cents.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So Aboriginals have rejected it. So all they're doing is
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: saying that they failed and actually looking after their fellow Australians,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: but also that they are that they're pandering to a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: small minority of people.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Well, what this is, the question is what mandate does
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: does she have then to.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Pursue this it has none because because when you look
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: at the votes in free elections in two states in
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the federal have been quite clear about that the number
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of people who have rejected this idea.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: So I just find it bizarre.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: They're going to have thirty three members if I'm reading right,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that's more than the Act Parliament. That's more than the Parliament,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and more than the Tasmanian House House, a House of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Assembly which has which are half a million people and
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people to a small group of apples.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous as well.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: The voice of Australia has spoken, but yet the Victorian
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: government just can't help itself.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I just think it's appalling.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I want to get to this poll that came out
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: over the weekend that found six percent of Assies believe
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: that welcome to Country ceremonies a divisive I actually thought,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: to be honest Warren, that it would be more than
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: fifty six percent. A lot of people you speak to
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: say they've absolutely had a gut full, whether or not
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: they're willing to openly say that or not.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: But reality is is are they ever going to stop?
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like we sit there, we're polite, we
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: do the right thing, we take it, we listen to it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Are they ever going to stop?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Look, they're not going to stop. This is just the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: type of people are you just saw in regard to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just In Alan, the Premier Victoria. They're not going to stop.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: They're just going to keep on doing this and wasting
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: people's money and everything like that. Look, I like the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: idea of you know, welcome the country in regard to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: special occasions. Now I don't see Zact Day as one
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of those. That's the sacred ceremony for all Australians, for
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: those all our soldiers, sailors and their men who fought
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: for this country and you gave the ultimate sacrifice, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: so all those ones who come home injured and broken
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and that from those wars. That's what we should be
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: focusing on. We shouldn't have it. It's like, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: we have it for meals, we have it now, at meetings,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: we have it everywhere like that. But not only that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: The dangerous part about the whole thing is that if
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you buck the trend, you will be punished. And we
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: saw finally that someone has taken the court and won,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and one.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: That was actually that sweet street sweeper who will, by
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: the way, be on the Bolt Report tonight with James McPherson.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Don't misstudying it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Give the a statue because he deserves it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: But even you know I was thinking of you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Look at Leofanocchiaro up in the Northern Territory when she
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: refused to do the acknowledgment of country at the Bombing
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: of Darwin anniversary, and she copped backlash.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: For that as well.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: But in the end, if you don't take a stand
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: against it, then we're going to keep having these saversation
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: over again. Good on her, Absolutely, bora Mundany. We've got
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: to leave it there, appreciate your time. Thanks so much
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: for coming in and joining me on set tonight. Now, look,
• 25:23
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  Speaker 3: Stay with us.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Jijiping's top Ozsie diplomat tells Australia not to ramp up
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: defense spending.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I wonder why David Elliott will join me next.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Plus the reprehensible death to the IDF chant at Glastonbury,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the k Prime Minister is demanding answers.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: We'll go to London next. Welcome back well.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Anthony Aberzi's refusal to budge on Trump's demands for US
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: to lift defense spending appears to have the Chinese communist
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: parties celebrating.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Surprise, surprise.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: The handsome boy sure knows how to keep Beijing happy.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: China's ambassador to Australia is arguing against hikes in military expenditure,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: saying it will impose a heavy fiscal burden on the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: PM's budget.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And here was a Prime minister's response today.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: The Chinese ambassador speaks for China. My job is to
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: speak for Australia and it's in Australia's national interest for
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: us to invest in our capability and to invest in
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: our relationships. And we're doing just so.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Thank you joining us now for more on This is
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: former New South Wales Police minister David Elliott.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: David, thank you so much for joining me. What's your
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: take on China's input here?
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: Well, I don't think we should be taking advice from
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: a country that has got two million people in carce
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: rating and a concentration care because of their religious convictions,
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: a country that sends its navy uninvited around Australian waters,
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: a country that certainly doesn't exercise the same democratic principles
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: as we do. So I think the Prime Minister has
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: to say more than just I don't take my advice
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: from them. I think the Prime Minister would say we
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: will be doing what's in what he's in our interest
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: to repel any particular enemy that might be overseas.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean are we surprised though about the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister's rhetoric towards China And this is not the
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: first time he in particular has been soft on this issue.
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: Well, that's right, And I mean he said when he
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: got elected being kind isn't being weak. Well, he's sounding
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: weak at the moment and he needs to sound stronger
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: and he needs to work in the traditions, the labor
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: traditions of people like John Kurtin and Bob Hook, who
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: stood for a strong defense force, who stood for Australian
• 27:50
  Speaker 12: interest in the international environment. And I think what will
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: happen is that the Chinese will believe that the weakness
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: being shown by by the Prime Minister is going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: be replicated and around the rest of the world, who
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: are probably who will probably be just as concerned about
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: China's rhetoric as anybody else is.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Let's talk more broadly about the US request for US
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: to lift defense spending. I mean, I can understand where
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the US is coming from here, and we've also been
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: long warned that we are not prepared for a war
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: if a war was to arrive on our doorstep. But
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the question is does the Prime Minister even understand what
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the US is asking us to do and does he
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: not understand that we are not actually equipped to fight
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: a war?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: I mean, as good and professional as the East team
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: all response was in nineteen ninety nine, it tested our
• 28:38
  Speaker 12: capabilities to the extreme. We could not have gone any further.
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: If the Indonesian government, or if any other force in
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: each team or had pushed the envelope, we were have
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: been struggling to respond and repel an enemy. So and
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: remember the United States has saved us on a number
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: of occasions. We would be eating sushi if it wasn't
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: for the Battle of Coral Sea. And of course they
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: do really on us through Pine Gap, and that's good.
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: That's our insurance policy. That's to make sure that they
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: reminded that we're not just mates, were actually strategic allies.
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: I think the United States he's quite right. The demo,
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: the people of the United States have every right to
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: say to its allies start doing some heavy lifting.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, they have every right. And you're right in that
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the US is our number one ally and right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Now it's on shaky grounds and thanks to labor. Now, look,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: you're a form of Veterans Affairs Minister. There's now this
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: push to rectify what's been characterized as a recruitment crisis,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: and there's long been a recruitment crisis. But the ADF
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: will be offering big bonuses from tomorrow, a new continuation bonus.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: It offers forty thousand dollars for an additional three years
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: of service at two different career points. Interested to get
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: your thoughts on this, Will this actually help recruitment.
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: Well, this is not new. Defense has done this before
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: and it didn't really work before. I want I'd want
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: my kid to be looking at the fine print.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: But what do you could do?
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: Of course, you start respecting soldiers. I mean we have
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: soldiers being ripped of their medals at the moment because
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: something the commanders did or their commander's commander did, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: they were humiliated and that was appalling. And luckily for us,
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: Peter Dutton stood up to them and made defense and
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: give those soldiers, those innocent soldiers, their medals back. The
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: pension scheme should be brought back to its original glory,
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: the one that was before the nineteen nineties. My military
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: pension is seven dollars a fortnight. Don't bother. Don't insult
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: me by giving me seven fortnight seven seven seven one
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: number seven dollars. In having served overseas as an Australian
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: Army officer on operations, I get seven dollars a fortnite.
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: Now I'm not expecting more money. I'm just saying, just
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: don't do it. And of course we have reports now
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: that the privatization of catering in the army means soldiers
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: have been going to bed hungry. They've been told, no,
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: you can only have one potato, No you can only
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: have two potatoes. They've been told that soldiers going to
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: bed on training courses when they're burning a lot of
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: calories and do get hungry, they're having to stuff themselves
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: with golden syrup sandwiches to go to bed because they
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: are so hungry. So it's rations this has been an
• 31:03
  Speaker 12: appalling way to treat our soldiers. I've raised it with
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: government of both persuasions, but you know, I think I
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: think we need to really dissect why this recruiting problem
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: is occurring. We need to really dissect wide their separation rate.
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: Defense is occurring because it used to be a job
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: for life. Now I don't expect people to do it
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: for life. Sometimes life's change. I certainly didn't hang around
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: for life. But I'm also very conscious of the fact
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: that morale is quite low because of the way they're
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: being treated. Yes, money is important, Yes money is important,
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: but I'd be putting that money into beefing up the
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: pension scheme I was if I was the Isralian government.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Well, you can see why there's a crisis when you
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: hear that David Elliott nice to see you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much coming on tonight. I really appreciate it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Well, let's move on now, because what has happened to
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: morality in the world? This chant at a music festival
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: over in the UK should worry everyone.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Frough Freeugh.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Have you heard this one though?
• 32:01
  Speaker 13: BEF theft to the IDF, theft to the IDF, theft
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: to the IDF, deaf, theft to the IDF, deaff to
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: the IDF.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was over at Glastonbury and it's clear that
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: values across the world have frayed.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: This is a sheer disgrace.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: When people are openly openly chanting for death and violence,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: and after being broadcast live on the BBC, the UK
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Prime Minister Kiir Starmer is demanding answers, saying there is
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: no excuse for this kind of appalling hate speech. I
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: said that Kneecap should not be given a platform, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: that goes for any other performers making threats or inciting violence.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: The BBC needs to explain how these scenes came to
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: be broadcast. Joining me now is Brendan O'Neill, Spiked Online
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: chief political reporter Brendan, thank you so.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Much for joining me.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Let's start, of course, with the scenes at Glastonbury, how
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: would you describe what happened over the weekend?
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Disgusting, racist, horrible, the kind of thing we haven't seen
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: here in Britain since the nineteen thirties. And I'm not
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: exaggerating because what we had here was a mob of
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: largely well educated, privileged young people in an audience crying
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: for the death of Jewish soldiers. Let's be honest about this.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: You know, when you say death to the IDF, you
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: are saying death to Jews. Firstly because the IDF is
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: predominantly a Jewish army, and secondly because everyone knows that
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: the IDF is the force that protects the Jewish homeland
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: from the armies of anti Semites on its borders. So
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: when you have this mob of young, privileged Brits crying
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: for the death of the IDF, they're essentially saying death
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: to Israel, death to the Jewish homeland, death to the
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Jewish people in the Middle East. It was disgusting. These
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: people are the heirs to Oswald Mosley and the British
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: Union of Fascists, not to the traditions of anti imperialism.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well said, and I would ask you know, where
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: does this say as to where we are at in
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: the world culturally?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: When you know people are meant to be going with
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: these music festivals.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: To listen to music and yet they're chanting and inciting violence.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: What does it say about morality in the world and
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: where we are culturally?
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: Well, that's the point, isn't it. It really raises huge
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: questions about where we're at as a West, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: the Anglo American world. What's going on here? And I
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: think since the seventh of October Pogrom, which is almost
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: two years ago now, when her Mass, a six thousand
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: strong army of Islamo fascists, invaded Israel and raped and
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: murdered Jews, since then, we have really seen the rot
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: of the West rise to the surface. We've seen all
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: the backward regressive trends in our own societies come to
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: the surface. We've seen young people siding with her Mass,
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: essentially taking the side of the pogromists against their victims.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: We've seen people raging against Israel in a way that
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: is often very bigoted. Every weekend on the streets of Sydney, London,
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: New York. You know, this is a battle between civilization
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: and barbarism between the democracy of Israel and the barbarism
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: her mass. And the horrible fact is that lots of
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: young people in our own societies have taken the wrong side,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: and that should really worry us.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, is very very concerning, and it's not just in
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the UK. I think in Australia and other parts of
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the world as well.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: There has also been some.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Suggestions that this is an example of why more people
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: are turning.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: To reform and reform UK's on the rise.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Nigel Farage's party does appear to be making major inroads.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: It is ahead in some key areas. Brendan, do you
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: agree with this and do you realistically think that it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: a possibility that Nigel Farage could be the next prime minister.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: You know, if you'd asked me that a few weeks back,
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: I would have said no. He's a good politician, he's
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: a transformative politician in the sense that he brought about Brexit.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: He campaigned for Brexit for years and years. He changed
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: this country. But I would have said no, way could
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: he be prime minister because it's difficult to break through
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: in Britain because we've had a two party system for
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: one hundred years, more than one hundred years, and this
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: country is either ruled by the Conservatives or Labor. But
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: that is changing and the polls are extraordinary. The polls
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: are showing that it is possible that Nigel Farag's Party
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: Reform will get the most seats at the next general election.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: That would be unprecedented in this country for more than
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: one hundred years, which is when Labor first came around
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: and kind of shook things up. To me, it's not
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: surprising at all. The Labor Party was traditionally the party
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: of the working class, but it has stabbed the working
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: classes in the back. It now looks down at its
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: knows at them as obese, stupid, racist idiots who need
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: to be controlled and managed and censored. That's how Labour
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: now looks at working class voters. So it's not surprising
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: to me at all that in all these working class
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: areas they're looking for a new voice, they're looking for
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: a new party, and they're landing on Reform, which they
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: think treats them with a little bit more respect. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: politics here is being shaken up and I'm all for it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's interesting that Labor Party has been
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: seen in Australia stride away from that traditional working class
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: base and people are looking for genuine alternatives. So it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: fascinating to watch reform do so well even from the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: other side of the world. Brendan O'Neill, it's always so
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: lovely to speak with you. Thank you very much for
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: joining me on the show this evening. Really appreciate it well.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Up next the gender quota debate sparking an ideological civil
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: war and the Liberal Party ranks. Malcolm Turnbull has now
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: offered his two cents. Caroline Derusso and Christy McSweeney, you're
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: up next for my panel.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I spoke about this earlier about why I think gender
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: quotas are a disaster for the Liberal Party. After calls
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: from some senior Liberals to implement them short term to
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: boost the number of women, Susan Lee declared last week
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: that she was open to it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: If some state divisions choose to implement quotas.
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: That's fine.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Now, former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has weighed in, telling
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: the ABC those who oppose quotas need to explain what
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: their alternative is, otherwise people will reasonably conclude they are
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: quite happy with the male dominated status. Johnny now Is
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Skyney's host, Caroline Derusso and Christy McSweeney, Managing director of
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the pr Council. Ladies, good to see you both. Thank
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: you very much for joining me. Caroline will start with you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Does the Liberal Party need quotas?
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: Look, I'm always someone who's been very reticent about the
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: idea of quotas, and I think, you know, part of
• 38:25
  Speaker 14: the issue is everyone goes, oh, well, look Labor did it,
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: and I'm like, yes.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: But what did labor actually achieve? Here?
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: There's a lot of women in parliamentary positions in the
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: Labor Party, but how much influence and how much agency
• 38:38
  Speaker 14: do they actually have? I can think of it, two
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: or three maybe who are influential and the rest. You know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: they do what the collective of the party room decides,
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: and they do what their union bosses tell them to
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: do and that sort of thing. So I do really
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: wonder how much influence ultimately they actually have. And I
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: guess the position I suppose from doubly way, and as
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: a lot of your viewers would know. Here in Western Australia,
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: I'm the state president of the Libs. We're a slightly
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: different we're a slightly different division, I suppose, or have
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: a different issue from the point of view that we
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: are so far from Canberra and it can be a
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: three hour time difference, and it can be a three
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: and a half hour flight, which is tough on anyone
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: with a young family. It's tough on our blokes, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: it's tough obviously on our women. And I know last
• 39:26
  Speaker 14: year when we were running state and federal pre selections
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: at the same time, we ended up actually having a
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: lot of women run for state politics because they didn't
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: want to do twenty six weeks of the year in Canberra.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: And that is totally understandable.
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: And in the sense in the context of state, in
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: those most marginal seats or those seats that we needed
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: to win government, we had over forty percent of women
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: in those seats, and that's just because we did the
• 39:51
  Speaker 14: hard work and we did the encouragement and we helped
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: them on their campaigns. Another reason why we're a bit
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: different to Labor, which has very centralized campaigns.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Ours are a lot more independent.
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: As Christy would know she ran for US in Swann
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: in twenty twenty two, so you know, you need to
• 40:07
  Speaker 14: be equipped for internal democracy. Because you're going to have
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: to be independent and equipped for the external part as well.
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: Well.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Christy, I mean you and I have spoken about gender
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: quotas before, and I know that you are very much
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: so in favor of them. More and more liberals internally
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: are saying, yes, we need them, but does it go
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: against liberal values? And this is the key question here.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Now are we straying away? And I know, Caroline, you
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: just raised it. What's the point if a woman can't
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: be elected on merit, well.
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: Doesn't go against liberal values. I make the point that
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: Menzi set up the Liberal Party enshrining gender in the constitution.
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: Anybody who argues against a quota, if they're holding a
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: position of a female vice president or a female committee
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: chair on various committees that are mandated female positions, they
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: are a beneficiary of a quota. There are informal quotas
• 40:57
  Speaker 15: around states and balanced cabinet and positions. But it is
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: gender is ensuraned in our party. So it's not antiliberal.
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: It's not against the liberals the values of the Liberal
• 41:09
  Speaker 15: Party as it was set up. What I have argued
• 41:12
  Speaker 15: for is we need to find our own way. No
• 41:14
  Speaker 15: one likes the word quota, and no one joins the
• 41:17
  Speaker 15: Liberal Party because they are incredibly supportive of that collective
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: horse trading union view that Labor does that it's your
• 41:28
  Speaker 15: turn and your own fis.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: That's not the Liberal way.
• 41:30
  Speaker 15: But we do need to find some sort of mandated
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: impost way forward of having more women represented in federal
• 41:41
  Speaker 15: Parliament so we can get above the near two decode
• 41:44
  Speaker 15: of twenty percent and reflect to the Australian public that, well,
• 41:51
  Speaker 15: you know, we are a party that supports women because
• 41:54
  Speaker 15: we have more of them to rival Labour's fifty percent
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: party ro own parody.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It's not good enough and it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: Doesn't matter if we do support women or not with policies,
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: and I think we do. I don't think we're a sexist,
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: misogynous party. The horse has bolted a little bit over
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: two consecutive elections where women just won't vote for us
• 42:11
  Speaker 15: because that's what they think.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that, you know, I did
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: show some polling earlier that women were actually ahead of
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: the vote in the last election, but it all went
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: downhill due to that work.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: From home policy.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: So I think the Liberal Party does have the capability
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: to attract women.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I still stand by.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: That, but look I want to move on because I
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: want to talk about the US relationship right now. Kevin Rudd, though,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: is clearly attempting a diplomatic patch up. He's actually given
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump full Marx would you believe for he a
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: ran intervention, Caroline, I questioned the timing.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Of all of this.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: He's now praising the leader. Why do you think he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: now coming out in favor.
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: Kevin has a real sense of self preservation and he
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: kind of reminds me a little bit of of the
• 42:57
  Speaker 14: Italian Stanikari. Always make sure he's on winning side at
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: the end of the bargie. So look, you know, look,
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: I think the comment that he made is substantively right.
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: He said some absolutely shocking things about the president in
• 43:11
  Speaker 14: the past, but obviously we're in the middle of having
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: trade conversations. We're having conversations around defense spending, around tariffs,
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: around a whole bunch of things, and I think Kevin
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: just wants to make sure that he's useful and he
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: looks like he's consultative and he's on board with the
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: current government in the US, because there's been plenty plenty
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: of people thinking that maybe he's a little bit of
• 43:37
  Speaker 14: a stick in the muddle, or maybe he's impeding perhaps
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: where we need to get to with this great ally
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: we're running out of time.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Sorry, but Christy, we've got thirty seconds. I'd love to
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: get your views.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Why now.
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: Look on an under restumate. Kevin Rudd's Kevin runs continual
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: evolution of his personality, gratiate himself to people who he
• 44:02
  Speaker 15: needs to be. That guy's got nine lives and ask
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: anyone in the Labor Party, and that what I'll tell you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: He's probably going to be seen on a golf course.
• 44:10
  Speaker 15: We kept with Donald Trump very very soon.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll brace ourselves.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Here we go, Christopher sweet Caroline derusso good to catch up.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining me. We'll stay with us.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Coming up after the break the Tobacco Wars, the New
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: South Wales Coalition moved to make the state the hardest
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: place in Australia to sell illegal tobacco and vapes.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: That's next, welcome back, well.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: The New South Wales Coalition will introduce a bill in
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Parliament to crack down on criminals and make the state
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: the hardest place in Australia to sell illegal tobacco and vapes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: According to the Opposition the men's labor government has let
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: New South Wales become the easiest place in the country
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: for crooks to make money. Joining us now is the
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: New South Wales Shadow Health Minister Kelly Sloan, Kelly, good
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: to catch up.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: That this is really important because I see these little
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: shops every where and what they're doing is they're actually
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: through the back door, I guess, selling vapes and tobacco.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Just how easy is it to get your hands on
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: this out there?
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: It's as easy as you want it to be. They
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: are on every street corner, it seems, on every main street,
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: setting up shop in front of schools, brazenly selling illicit tobacco,
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: vapes and other goods to our kids, undermining the profits
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: of the legitimate businesses on the streets and also bringing
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: crime into our communities. And in the last week or
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: so in New South Wales we've seen some terrible crime.
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: It's been like scenes from Underbelly, with stabbings and man
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: losing his toe getting chopped off. Because at the heart
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: of this plot is illicit tobacco, a multi billion dollar
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: trade in this country that is out of control.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Well, it is out of control and it's right that
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: the opposition is now actually doing something about it. So
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: you've introduced this bill, how far will it go?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: What are your homes for it?
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: So we're saying at the moment, the penalties that apply
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: really just the cost of doing business for these crooks.
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: They're laughing off the fines. In fact, just this afternoon
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: it was reported in the Daily Telegraph that one shop
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: that was rated last week is back again selling illicit
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: tobacco one day. So they're not giving up. So we
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: need to take action, no more light touch. We are
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: introducing a bill that will allow enforcement officers to shut
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: these shops down short term closure off orders for a month,
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: and if they do the wrong thing then they will
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: face severe penalty, some of the toughest in the country,
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: including imprisonment for second offenses. Now, the landlords under these
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: laws will have the ability to terminate leases, and that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: a first as well, because they're saying they don't want
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: to rent to the crooks. They need a get out
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: of to get out of the contract, and we're providing.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: That as well.
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: These are laws that are being backed in by the
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: shops themselves. They've come to us a real cry for help.
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: To help them, and so we're responding to that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Well, look good on you for this. I just think
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: it's such an important topic. And you mentioned earlier as well,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: they're setting up in front of our schools. They're in
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: disguise as you know, these little shops, but that they're
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: in front of our schools.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: What sort of an impact is it having.
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: Well, what we are seeing is a return to increasing
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: nicotine levels in kids. So after twenty years of a
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: really solid public health policy work, we are now seeing
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: our kids getting hooked on tobacco again, not just fates,
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: but actually taking up cigarette smoking. So the Cancer Council
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: and the Lung Foundation are also supporting this bill, backing
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: it in. We need to crack down on these on
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: these crime games. It's so much more than a law
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: and order issue. Is a public health issue.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Has the men's government done enough in that space. I
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: just want to play you a little bit of what
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Chris Mins said today.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Have listen.
• 47:48
  Speaker 16: I just think there's a distortion in the market as
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: a result of the federal government's exercise. I'd prefer to
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: do it all in secrets and have common sense approach
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: from the Feds and then a regulatory change from us
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: all in one. Here, it's very difficult to align state
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: federal lawmakers behind a single idea, and despite our best
• 48:08
  Speaker 16: efforts with the federal treasure, they don't seem to be
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: up for movie.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Is he right? Is this a federal thing?
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: Well, excise is clearly an issue. We have some of
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: the highest taxes in the world when it comes to
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: cigarette Seventy five percent of the price of the cigarettes
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: is excise. So I have some sympathy for the Premier's position,
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: but we cannot rely on Olbow to do the work
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: for us. Jim Chalmers has said they are not budging
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: on excise. So whilever that happens, we cannot ignore what
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: is happening in our backyard, in our communities, on our
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: local streets, in front of our schools, and so we
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: need to act. It's not enough to say let's wait
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: for the Feds. This needs to happen now. Otherwise, in
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: New South Wales, where there are now twenty thousand tobacconists
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: across the state, one thousand escalating at a rate of
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: one thousand shops a year, we're going to turn into Victoria,
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: where the have had tobacco wars and five bombings.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: We absolutely don't want that, Kelly, so well done for
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: taking up this fight. Thank you very much for joining
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: me on the show this evening.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: That's all we've got time for. I'll be back again
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: tomorrow night. Now it's Steve Price with Credlin.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Good Night,