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Midwest Nice, Leave the ICE · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Melissa, how's it going. How are you good? Good?
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  Speaker 1: It was a crazy day. I had court and I
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: had jury duty, so you I was on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of justice.
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  Speaker 2: Let me guess it didn't choose you, did they? And
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  Speaker 2: you know what I love to say, I told you so.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like prom She did tell me, so she
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  Speaker 1: always tells me, I told you so. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: would be quick to hop good, to hop on zoom
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: really quick just before this episode and do a quick
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  Speaker 1: psa quick announcement that the episode that is airing we
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  Speaker 1: recorded the day before Alex Pretty was murdered, so you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hear this episode. We address ice, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about DHS, we talk about what's happening in America. But
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  Speaker 1: it was literally the day before he was murdered and
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  Speaker 1: shot ten times by federal DHS officers. So I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was important that you and I get on a
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  Speaker 1: quick call and just sort of make that announcement before
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  Speaker 1: people listen to this episode. I want them to just
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  Speaker 1: not be listening and like wondering why.
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  Speaker 2: Wondering why we're not addressing it. It literally happened the
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  Speaker 2: day before. We couldn't have but we thought it was
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  Speaker 2: important for us to do this tonight so that you
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  Speaker 2: guys would understand that it was just information that we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened to day we recorded, the day before
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  Speaker 1: the shooting, So yeah, I thought it would be good
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  Speaker 1: for you and me to just chat about it really
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  Speaker 1: briefly before we jump into the episode. The episode is
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  Speaker 1: very relevant, so please stick around. But right before we
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  Speaker 1: jump in, I'm happy to I mean, I'm not happy
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  Speaker 1: to discuss, but I'm open to discussing what's kind of
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  Speaker 1: happening right now and what's changed in the past six
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  Speaker 1: days since we were in the studio, which is wild
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  Speaker 1: to think about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we talk about, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: all changing really quickly and faster than I think we
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  Speaker 2: can keep up with it. You know, I know what
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  Speaker 2: we had talked about when we had talked about Renee Good.
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  Speaker 2: I know I had said to you, I wonder what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to take, right Is it going to take
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  Speaker 2: a straight, white Christian man? And I don't know whether
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  Speaker 2: Alex is straight or Christian or any of those things,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, here we are. A white man was
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  Speaker 2: murdered on the streets of Minneapolis, and the initial reaction
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  Speaker 2: of this administration was to put the blame directly on him,
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  Speaker 2: the same way that they did immediately immediately.
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  Speaker 1: He was an investigation, no view of the footage. It
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  Speaker 1: was just immediate response.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean it's unbelievable. But also, Michael, I think
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  Speaker 2: part of the course, right, this is what this administration does.
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  Speaker 2: They very rarely take responsibility for anything that they think
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  Speaker 2: is negative. The the their gut reaction is to always
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  Speaker 2: past the blame. This is like a liberal problem. This
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  Speaker 2: is what these people do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was his fault because he brought a gun
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  Speaker 1: to a protest, right, is absolutely what they're always saying.
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  Speaker 1: And they jumped right in. And I mean I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at my feet just before I got on this
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  Speaker 1: call with you, and a judge ordered that that five
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  Speaker 1: year old boy is not to be removed, nor should
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  Speaker 1: his father. We've got Christine Home being pressed by Congress
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  Speaker 1: right now. The calls for her impeachment are growing and
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  Speaker 1: growing louder and louder. It's Tuesday night at seven fifteen pm.
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  Speaker 1: Just FYI, So I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: And we have Trump saying that he wants finally wants
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  Speaker 1: an honest inquiry, whatever that may mean into what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in Minnesota. We have the head of DHS is,
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  Speaker 1: the Border Patrol commander is being asked to leave Minneapolis
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  Speaker 1: is being demoted, and I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think retiring right tied correct.
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  Speaker 1: They sort of put him up to pasture. So there
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  Speaker 1: is really a growing surge. I have so many celebrities. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: celebrities are paying attention to this cause, which it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: I always feel a way about celebrities getting involved and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're not experts sort of weighing in or they're
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  Speaker 1: influencing elections. But whether or not, like I love it
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  Speaker 1: or hate it, celebrities have power, right they.
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  Speaker 2: Do, and they have the ability to bring attention to
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  Speaker 2: an issue. And again, whether or not we think it's
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  Speaker 2: their place to do so, I think we can agree.
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  Speaker 2: Celebrities are also citizens of the world right and citizens
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  Speaker 2: of the United States. And if you are a person,
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  Speaker 2: a person of conscience, you're looking at this and this
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  Speaker 2: is wrong and I and you know, is it too little,
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  Speaker 2: too late? I don't know, but I mean I do
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  Speaker 2: appreciate people sort of the more voices we lend to this,
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  Speaker 2: the better it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I love seeing everyone get involved,
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  Speaker 1: to get amplified, whether or not you're celebrity, whether or
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  Speaker 1: not you have five followers or five million. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: just great to see people posting and pushing information out,
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  Speaker 1: especially now that we have It really feels like the
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  Speaker 1: public perception is what has moved everything forward, right, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we have so many people involved in the
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  Speaker 1: conversation that the horrors of the Trump administration. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: the first day that we've had awful things, right, However,
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  Speaker 1: it does finally feel like there is this growing swall,
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  Speaker 1: this surge of people who are paying attention and effect,
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  Speaker 1: and the change is starting to come. So we're starting
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  Speaker 1: to see resignations, we're starting to see inquiries, and we're
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  Speaker 1: also seeing a lot of people talking about how what
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  Speaker 1: ICE is doing is a distraction, how their activity is
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  Speaker 1: intentionally designed to ensure that no one's focusing on the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein files, and that Pam Bondi is thirty one days
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  Speaker 1: past the deadline to release more Epstein information from the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein piles.
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  Speaker 2: Right, They're hoping that people will be so distracted by
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  Speaker 2: what's going on in Minnesota that they will sort of
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  Speaker 2: forget to ask. And I think it's really important that
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  Speaker 2: this is the moment to you know, we can be
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  Speaker 2: outraged about multiple things at once. You know, we can
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  Speaker 2: be outraged about or curious about what's happening what was
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  Speaker 2: going on in the Epstein files, while also being outraged
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  Speaker 2: and calling attention to what is happening in Minneapolis. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the lesson here is to it's
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  Speaker 2: for citizens to sort of turn up the heat right,
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  Speaker 2: reach out to your congress person, make those phone calls,
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  Speaker 2: go to protests.
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  Speaker 1: And strike. Everyone's striking on Fridays. So this episode drops
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday. The strike will be the next day, so
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow if you're listening to this is a general strike
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  Speaker 1: across the country. So no shopping, no school, no work,
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  Speaker 1: no nothing. And I strikes really do work. It is
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  Speaker 1: so important to bring attention to strikes and everyone that
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  Speaker 1: reaches out to us or a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: do are looking for non violent ways to stay away
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  Speaker 1: from violence but still be a part of the change.
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  Speaker 1: So I love to see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and about the strike, So this
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  Speaker 2: is a strike from everything, folks. It's you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to work, We're not going to school, we're
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  Speaker 2: not shopping. We are you know, these are all of.
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  Speaker 1: The looked right at me when she said she looked
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  Speaker 1: at me dead in the eyes and said, no more shop.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what I will, I will abstain absolutely
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  Speaker 1: so I mean and it's.
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  Speaker 2: And it's all the things right. So this is an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity for the country, this administration to realize that they
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  Speaker 2: need us, They need us to participate, and they serve
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  Speaker 2: at our pleasure, and this is not what we want
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  Speaker 2: as Americans.
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  Speaker 1: If you're looking to avoid being a part of an
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  Speaker 1: adversarial protest situation, you don't. You are afraid or nervous.
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  Speaker 1: This is a great way to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: a movement that is affecting change. So please join the
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  Speaker 1: general strike on Friday. One more thing before we jump
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  Speaker 1: into the episode, I wanted to do a quick PSA.
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  Speaker 1: In this episode, I talk about bond hearings and eligibility
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  Speaker 1: for bond, a recent decision affecting bond eligibility and immigration
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  Speaker 1: court and all of the implications. I talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in the episode, but I did a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: research and I just wanted to give a quick PSA
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  Speaker 1: shout out that in the episode, I very much paint
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  Speaker 1: with a broom about who is and is not eligible
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  Speaker 1: for bond in immigration court. What I say is absolutely
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  Speaker 1: true and correct. I double checked my research. However, there
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  Speaker 1: is nuance to it, so always consult an immigration attorney.
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  Speaker 1: Feel free to reach out to me. I've been black
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  Speaker 1: in a way answering DMS all week, but just to
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  Speaker 1: know that it is not, you know, an absolute right.
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  Speaker 2: And remember, friends, what's why I always say, while Michael
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  Speaker 2: is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer. So the information
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  Speaker 2: that we give out is for sort of general informational
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  Speaker 2: purposes and entertainment. For your specific need legal needs, please
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  Speaker 2: reach out to your own attorney.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into the episode. Set your
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  Speaker 1: butt down, and we will see you in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Malbrant.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about how whed and
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  Speaker 1: crack are not the same.
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  Speaker 2: They're not matter what your mother says, all.
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  Speaker 1: The messed up new bond proceedings and Immigration Court, a
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  Speaker 1: recently leaked ICE memo thanks to a whistleblower, plastic surgery
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  Speaker 1: in our algorithms space A not arrests and all the
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  Speaker 1: questions from your DMS were finally getting into the DMS.
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  Speaker 1: Stick around. It's just like that.
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  Speaker 2: In London, Like, that's a job.
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  Speaker 1: Platform nine and three quarters. In London, there's someone's job
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  Speaker 1: is like tossing your scarf to make it look like
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  Speaker 1: you're running towards a fucking brick column.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're pushing the thing the trolley.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say you like, I'm ever gonna do this. Please
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  Speaker 1: keep me out of this platform, this Fiery Potter fantasy. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: there's a person charged. There's a person in charge of
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  Speaker 1: platform nine and three quarters of tossing people's scarves to
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  Speaker 1: make it look.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're running you yes, yes, yes, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know I am not coming for this person's job.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not making it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I respect, but I just think, like, of all that
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  Speaker 2: anything can be a job.
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  Speaker 1: Sex work is real work. Yeah everything, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of sex work is real work. So there's this
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  Speaker 2: a sex worker that I follow on TikTok Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with her. She's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: You okay, Melissa's friends with sex workers like sometimes sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sex workers find Melissa and befriend her in a
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  Speaker 1: way that I've never seen before. I'm actually jealous.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I am. I was on a plane ones.
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  Speaker 1: And shout out to Jeff Blue. What was the airline?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember we were friends when this happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't remember. It was a
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  Speaker 2: while ago, but I remember getting on a plane. I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember why. So I saw this woman and she
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  Speaker 2: was giving Kardashian do you know what I mean, like
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  Speaker 2: that whole thing. Yeah, really pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Girl but with the like air brushed on makeup and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff, the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: And then we were we ended up sitting next to
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  Speaker 2: each other and she the plane was late whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: she was like kind of like upset about it, and
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  Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, I got like all these appointments.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, oh, more right.
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  Speaker 2: I forget how she told me that she was a
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  Speaker 2: sex worker. She didn't say a sex worker. I think
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  Speaker 2: she said I'm in porn or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, do you the adult film industry?
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  Speaker 2: Do you tell?
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  Speaker 1: Always got great stories. I love talking to a sex worker.
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you, though, And I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: paint people who were in the sex industry with the
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  Speaker 2: same brush. But at the end of this flight, where
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  Speaker 2: was I.
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  Speaker 1: I think you were going to Miami. You were going
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  Speaker 1: to Florida for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: I was coming back from Florida. Yes, oh, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: was coming back from Florida. So at the end of
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  Speaker 2: this flight.
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  Speaker 1: My take on that is like the sex work belt
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  Speaker 1: Way is the New York to Miami flight is the
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  Speaker 1: sex worker belt Way.
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  Speaker 2: So she was coming because she had some dates. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and she booked and busy this for like a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days or whatever it was. But at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the flight, I remember feeling like, this is like
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  Speaker 2: a damaged person. And I also felt very protective of
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  Speaker 2: her because there was a guy who had been listening
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  Speaker 2: to us talk oh no, yeah, and and he like,
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  Speaker 2: she went her away, I went my way. We exchanged
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  Speaker 2: numbers and stuff and and he sort of like made
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  Speaker 2: this like, no.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm going to get you to a caf safely.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just know.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, she did what she was going to do.
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  Speaker 2: But he like looked at me. He was just like,
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  Speaker 2: that was an interesting conversation that you were having. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: and it was none of your funs.
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  Speaker 1: And it was I was just gonna say it's none
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  Speaker 1: of your business. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like, it's none of your business. And
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: he was like yeah, but and he was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know women like that. I'm like, wouldn't touch you
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  Speaker 2: with a ten foot poll and what.
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  Speaker 1: About men like you? He's dropping on people on flight
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  Speaker 1: stay keeping.
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  Speaker 2: But I and I we stayed in touch for a
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  Speaker 2: long time.
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  Speaker 1: I remember you being like, I'm worried about this person.
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  Speaker 1: And it had nothing to do with her being a
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  Speaker 1: sex worker.
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  Speaker 2: It was like oh no, no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 1: It was we were like, my friend needs help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I definitely feel like she had
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  Speaker 2: some such abuse issues and she she had a daughter
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  Speaker 2: who she wasn't really seeing anymore. Mom had taken her
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  Speaker 2: kid away from her. I just felt bad for her.
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  Speaker 1: People and people find you, and like also, I was
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  Speaker 1: at the club this weekend and I went out all
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  Speaker 1: night dancing. It was a great cardio. I was on
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  Speaker 1: that dance where I was having like fifty thousand drinks.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy found me and we're chatting and then
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  Speaker 1: he leans in and he's like, I recognized you from TikTok?
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  Speaker 1: Can you help me with my I five eighty nine
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  Speaker 1: Asylum applications.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Are you going to help wait? Asylum from Canada? It
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: was like asylum Frost.
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  Speaker 1: He gave me the full and I was He was like,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: can I get your number? And I was like sure,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: man Like she was like asylum from Maybe maybe Stella
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: didn't get her groove back that night. I can't tell.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you about his asylum claim
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  Speaker 1: from Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I don't.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I will say what could have happened? You were doing
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: so much cocaine? That was you at your age. You
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: should not be railing lines like that. That was a
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: cardiac situation.
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  Speaker 2: When people do things like that in front of me,
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  Speaker 2: I immediately railing line, I am like nervous and horrified.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love it. I'm like, let's see how much
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  Speaker 1: this bitch can do. I'm actually kind of curious. I
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: don't do drugs. I really don't. I know, based off
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: like my face, what that?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Forty miles a rough highway? I thought I might look
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  Speaker 1: like someone who's done a lot of drugs.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that I think I'll tell the story. It's
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: about drugs though. Okay, Okay, my brother's in college. He's
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  Speaker 2: getting over. He got a ride from home to college.
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  Speaker 2: He went to college in Connecticut, and it took him
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  Speaker 2: a longer to get back to school than my parents
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  Speaker 2: thought that it should have. Okay, And then so he
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  Speaker 2: finally calls and he tells my mother what happened. And
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  Speaker 2: then my mother calls me and she was just like, Messa,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: yo whatter called me and he said that the girl
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  Speaker 2: who was giving him the ride, the boyfriend, the boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: of the girl pulled over. He's smoking crack.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm like, on like a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: at noon, right.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, first of all, my brother, did
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  Speaker 2: I not teach you anything? Like I? You told mom
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  Speaker 2: and I and so I was just like, that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: sound right to me anyway, let me call him back.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I called him back, and I was just like, let
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  Speaker 2: me ask you something. Did you call mom and tell
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  Speaker 2: her that your ride pulled over to smoke crack? And
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: he was like, no, I told mom he pulled over
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and he was smoking pot. And I was like, okay, So,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: first of all, Mom just took this to that. Let
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: me see is she charged up?
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  Speaker 1: Charged?
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  Speaker 2: That is such a typical Haitian parent thing to do. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the rest of it. So then
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: so I start yelling at him and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: did I not teach you anything? Why would you tell mom?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And he was like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, so he got out his machine gun. He
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: loaded it up with crystal meth and he shot it
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  Speaker 1: into his vein right there on the side of the highway.
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  Speaker 2: So he was just like, I don't know. And sometimes
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  Speaker 2: I will say that. Sometimes I will say something to
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  Speaker 2: my mother and then after I've said it, I'm just like, what.
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  Speaker 1: Did I Why did I tell her that? Because I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: told her I had to TikTok and she's telling everyone
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing extasy.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: So I called my mom back and I was just like, mom,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Joey said that it's not the guy didn't pull over
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to smoke crack. He was poking marijuana. And my mom
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: was like, Menissa cokain marijuana sim thing. And I was like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I gotta go like this, and I gotta tell.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: You right now, they're not the same thing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, they're not the same thing, and she
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: was just like, as far and it's not. It is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: not just her Haitian people. My zo's slide into my dms.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You tell me and actually any member of the diaspora.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: You tell me what your parents tell you about marijuana
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and cracking, the same thing, the same thing.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I've never smoked crack to go to sleep better at night.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Let's just say that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you though, that is no exaggeration. But I
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: gotta tell you the worst part of that story is
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that I'm still, to this day, this is.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Years later, You're still trying to convince your mother that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it wasn't crack.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: No, I'm so pissed off at my brother for confiding
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in my mother. What did I not teach you anything?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I laid the way for you, and this is how
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you repay me. Idiot boy, Let's take a break.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: This is sidebar. We're going to just go over some
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: weird things that have happened this week. I had, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: had a couple.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Of so many weird things. Things stay happening.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Early in the week. I keep thinking about that meme.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It's like from Already Rock and Liz Lemon's like, what
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a week hunt Jack's like Lemon, it's Wednesday.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's it was still not even like it's been quite
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: the year.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It's January. Yeah, I was in court, uh yesterday and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: this is so stupid. The mics weren't working, so the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: judge couldn't hear us because it was a virtual hearing.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I was like muted, and so the judge can being
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: like counselor can you speak up where I'm really sorry.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: The microphones in the courtroom aren't working, so I just
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: can't hear anything. And I'm like, good thing that it's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: not important that you can hear what I'm saying in court.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: So everything is collapsing right like she was start saying
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a knife and salmon like nothing anymore, nothing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Extra syllables, so hard cut to me. I was I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: had to yell. I had to yell into the mic.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: That's why you went to laws.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm selling I'm sounding a little horse today, horace horse.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I had a bond teering where now because so many
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: people are being detained right now the bond court is
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they're not even transporting migrants to court anymore. They're just
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: putting a camera in a cell and it's giving full
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: zero dark thirty Guantanamo vibes like this is total vibe shift.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone, but I don't even know what to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: ask you.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Is that legal?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm like, is this
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So I get so I log into it's a WebEx
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: hearing because we're doing everything on WebEx now because it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: so things are moving so fast. There's so many people,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it's the volume. So I log in and I'm like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: why are there fifty people in orange jumpsuits on one
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: zoom camera just in a cell? It was like this,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I've never seen just a throng a line of people
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and staring into the zoom camera.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And the inmates are just waiting for their turn, and.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: They're all like they're all just standing waiting around, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is is someone did someone turn on?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Like the security camera is? Something is not right here? Yeah,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And you get to bond court early because you're like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I got to get there. I don't know when they're
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: going to call my client. So you're usually waiting around
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: for your client to be called, and then you're litigating
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: for less than sixty seconds, right, It's just like a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: lot of waiting. I usually bring I'm answering emails and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: then they call my person's number. But I log into
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the weipex and it's fifty people in a cell standing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: There's nowhere for them.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: To sit because there are so many people, so many people.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So then they say they call a name out and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it's like over the loudspeaker, and the person raises their
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: hand and.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: They sort of shuffle over to the front.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mill forward to the front, raise your hand. Melissa's here,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: she moves forward to the front. Okay, And you stand
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: there in front of the camera in a cell while
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I argue you should be released.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: On bond with all these other people, all these.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Other people never committed a crime, like, these aren't criminals,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: These aren't These are people who are just in some
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sort of immigration proceeding or undocumented. It was, it was truly.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, and this is the first time that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you've seen this.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm someone who is like a loud mouth,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: crazy bitch and who is prone to filing lawsuits. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know where to begin here,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Like I don't really even know if I should say
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: something like my job today is to get my client out. Sure,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I have a duty to ensure that I get my
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: client bonded out.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Who do you take that to? Who do you complain?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm still figuring that out. It happened yesterday, so
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it's like I still need I need to like put
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a call in to figure out what to do here,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: because this is like the ACL you should be aware
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of this. This is like and then I'm like, what
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is happening at this detention facility? That this is what
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they're putting in front of a judge, right, like the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: judge can see that self and saying anything and not
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: while I was there. I was there for like one
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: short proceeding and then I had that you got to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: skidatle once your person's bonded, gotcha. But I was like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin. So that so
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that is just like a little window into I guess
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: we talk about this after the ice fan closes what
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: happens on the other side of the van.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: This is what's happened.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm seeing one of the things that's happened
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: looking through the keyhole, what at least I am seeing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, if that's what they're showing judges, if
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that's what they're showing litigans.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we say this every time
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: we talk about this, like again, nothing mad, nothing seems
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to matter anymore, Like I think all bets are off
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: they've tossed the rule book aside. They're doing whatever whenever. However,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: we just whomever.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: We just found out that there was a there a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: welcome back whistleblowers. Where have you been? We've been waiting
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: for y'all, because we got a whistleblower complaint this week
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that was released. The DOJ issued a verbal memo. There
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: was like a verbal order given to ICE officers that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they should break into people's homes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I did hear about this?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh and drag them out if
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: so needed, which is.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: A human warrant.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no warrant, no signed judicial warrant. The fore warrant
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is fine. They're telling people, they're telling their officers. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: when everything was happening last week, it feels like a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: year ago in Minnesota where we were seeing people dragged
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: out of their homes. We're like, no, no, no, no, no, you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have to ask judicial warrant.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Ice officers just aren't trained. No, they are trained. They
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: were trained. They were trained to break the Fourth Amendment
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and do this all without a judicial warrant.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So I guess it all depends on how this sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of plays out. But I just don't even again, it
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: is the same thing. I don't even know what to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: ask you, right, So, like what is going to happen.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Nothing's going to happen, or.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: This is going to be molney is going to happen.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: The thing is is that it's going to get work
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: through the court system. Right, So, like these violin but
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, these people are going to get deported.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But we're being violated exactly, and it'll get worked through
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the court system and they'll say no, that was wrong.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: There'll be a congressional hearing. It'll take years. And in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the meantime, we've got your friendly neighborhood gardener getting dragged
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: out of his house. He's got an LPR status, he's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: got a green car, is being held in detention, not
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: really sedt on bond because we changed the bond rules.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And then that person is either being held in detention
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and needs to hire an expensive lawyer to get them out,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: or they're going to get deported and then we'll work
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it out. On the flip side, it is absolutely.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Wid but it not only could it, but it will
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: take years to travel this righttime, you've completely annihilated someone's life,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and not just their lives, but their families. Did you
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: see that they used this little boy's bait to get Yes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: It's one of these things where it's like, if you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: aren't horrified by that, like, I don't know what will
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: horrify you, Like, I don't know what it'll take for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you to get involved if that doesn't bother you, right,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And I feel like every week we come in here
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and we say, oh, this thing happened. If you're not
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: horrified by this, how could you know it's nothing's going
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to horrify you. You have no barometer for this.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's this idea of the other. Right,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: if they if they had come here legally, if they
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: had done it right, like my ancestors, did you know
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean it is? I think that they you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the people who are looking at this and don't see
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: anything wrong with that, don't think that these people are
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the same as them, right they are. They're not human beings,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: right because the President of the United States is talking
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: about them like that, right right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I will go on the record and tell you right now,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: if you're one of these people who say, oh, well,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this is happening to them because what they did is illegal,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I will tell you right now it is not just
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: happening to the people who did things illegally. There, it
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is happening to the people who did it the right way,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to the people who did illegally. I will dispel that fact.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Most of my clients are people who are in detention
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: because and it's usually because they did it legally and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: they came in contact with dhs ICE and were then
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: detained because they were trying to do it legally. So
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: if you're one of these people who believed in these
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: fallacies that oh, well, this is happening to these people,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: they deserve it. They did something illegal, they did something wrong.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: That is not the case for most people I mean.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And also I mean they are instances of people who
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: are American citizens, who are you know, who are getting
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: rounded up.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, it just happened to a woman in Minnesota. They
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: beat her American citizen and called her the N word
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and then detained her for two days, realized she was
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a citizen and released.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Her, but released her and then you know, nothing, no apology, No, I.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Mean, suesed their asses. And I hope that Congressman Robert
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Garcia is compiling a list of all the things that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: people are doing wrong and suing.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I just I am so deeply concerned about what is
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: going to happen to the people that they round up,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: regardless of immigration and status. I'm worried about what kind
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of abuses are taking place in these detention centers. I'm
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: worried about kids being left unattended, their parents were being
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: taken away from them. This is and I wonder what
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is going to happen when all is said and done.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I think it was last week or
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I don't remember anymore, but you were talking about this
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: woman that you had heard about on NPR, who was
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: talking about while they were putting Japanese people in interment camps,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: this family came to her and that she asked for
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a glass of water, and this woman didn't do it
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: because she was afraid. Right and now here it is
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: seventy years later, and she's still thinking about it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: What's going to be your glass of water moment? Right?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: This is your algorithm is showing. We're going to talk
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit about what's showing up on our feeds.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: What our feeds are a little bit different right now,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot about this
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: ice and also greenland, but I'm hearing a lot of creators,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of news sources talk about how a lot
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of this is a distraction from the Epstein files and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: what's happening with the Epstein list. Have you been hearing
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: about this at all?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I have, I think so. My algorithm is always all
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: over the place. So yes, I'm hearing a lot of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: things about Greenland. I'm hearing a lot of because I'm
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: super interested in this, and there are people who are
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: volunteering to be sort of on the lookout for ICE.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested in doing that and sort of like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: walking around trying to follow them to see what they're
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: up to, and letting people in those communities know that
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: they should stay in their homes and let them know
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that ICE is out there looking for them. I also
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: have been really interested in finding so every now and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: then ICE will gather up people and then release them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: But when they release them, sort of like lead them
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: wherever it is no coat.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I will say this quick PSA, if you are a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: migrant or even like a I guess US citizen who
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: might be perceived by a nice office, I guess a
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: non white US citizen, put someone on your pets tag,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: your dog tag because people are getting picked up and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: their migrants with their phone number on their dogs tag.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: ICE usually just leaves the pet where they pick the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: person up on the street. So then all these dogs
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: are strays. They get picked up by this by like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the ASPCA the strays and they go to the pound.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And people can't contact a family member because they're trying
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: to call someone who's in a detention center, so they
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: don't have access to their phone. So put like a relative, friend,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: family member, your immigration lawyer, whoever, on your pets tag,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: so that if you get picked up by ICE. It
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it is happening. It's happening a lot.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And now all these pets are kind of displaced as
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: well because they can't access the owner because they're being
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: held into tention. So but I saw that on my
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: algorithm too. Did you see in Minnesota there there are
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: people with whistles on every single street, corner, every single.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Block, And I mean, I think that's amazing work. Shout
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: out to those people, you know. So that's what I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: seeing because, like I said, I'm engaging with that stuff
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: because I'm interested in participating. So also, if anybody is
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: aware of an organization doing that stuff reach out to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: me because I'm totally down, especially down to sort of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like pick somebody up and take them back home to
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: wherever it is. Yeah, so I'm seeing that. I'm also
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: seeing some random.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It's come to a point where surgery, wait, what about it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: I've been engaging in plastic surgery like before and after, Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: before and after. I have a doctor that I'm like obsessed.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: With doctors is more. No, no, wait, I've been seeing
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: like crazy like Korean skincare procedures.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Oh no, not the procedures.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: But procedures, but also like the like the.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Skincare Oh yeah, oh yeah, I.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Love it so into it and I follow along on
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the journey. People are flying to Korean, they get the.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're finely to Korea. Definitely the Turkey.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a bald man, I'm not. I'm no
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: stranger to Turkey and the Turkey flights.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I know, it's really funny to see, like, it's super
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: interesting to see all the men at the airport and
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Turkey who are on the way home, who all have
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: like bandages. I remember one time. For people who may
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: not know, but like the Dominican Republic is a place
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: where a lot of people go to have plastic surgery.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like bbls and things like that. And I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: remember I was coming back from Jamaica and the flight
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: from dr was coming in at the same time. We
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: sort of landed together, okay, and there was a line
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of wheelchairs waiting, waiting or they were like and mostly
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: women waiting, like sort of sitting there. And these women
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: look rough, like they clearing or feeling well, and they
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: had just been you know, you're not supposed to sit
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: on your ass after you haven't been, but they had
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: like those inner tubes to sit on to like propel
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: your butt up so that you're like sitting on it,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and they looked like they weren't a lot of pain.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: How do we get to, oh, my algorithm is showing
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that's your AGOTHHD.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Definitely that's your algorithm.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: So my algorithm is like this weird combination of plastic
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: surgery and like ice, Greenland political stuff.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mine is like a lot of a lot of ice.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I'm engaging with it, but I'm also one of the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: creators who's creating it. So then people are tagging me
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So then I think it kind of shows
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: me that. And then it's a lot of you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: bone broth and a lot of Koream skincare.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: M hm. I was telling you about this girl that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I follow, the sex worker that I follow. Oh, yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: she got her lip filler removed.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, people get their lip filler dissolved.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: That's dissolved. And it looks like she got beat up.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be weigh really painful to.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Get it, and she said it hurt a lot to
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: take it out.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think they put it like a chemical in there
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to dissolve it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Or I know her mouth is all black and blue.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: That is like it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I have been blessed by the lip gods my whole
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: life as the only gay kid at my school with
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: big lips. You can only imagine the things people said
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to me growing up.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But what they say to you, Michael, I can't repeat it. Yes,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you don't want to, you know. I mean, it's and
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that's fine if it's personal.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: To you someone with huge lips. You know what people
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: what people said, what people said about my lips, well
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I really grew into them. What people said about my lips,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: What people said about my lips is what Lauren Bobert
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: did at Beetlejuice. That is what they said about my life.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I'm the pre eminent Lauren Bobert Beetlejuice hand job truther.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: That's who I am, and that's why I want to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: be remembered. So throw it on my headstone.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: So in addition to putting you in a dress.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I'm there's no way she gave a dry hand job.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: There has to have been mouth stuff. I'm sorry. No
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: one over the age of sixteen got a hand job
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: with you. They were in the.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Movies and they probably popcorn, maybe the butter.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I need a full I'm sorry. This is these are
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the conversations we need to be having America. What lubricated
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that hand job? I'm sorry, you can't get a handy jay?
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: You are a dry hand job? I need I need answers.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry this is recording. Where are the journalists, where
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: are the whistleblowers? I haven't heard from the cast. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: haven't call in press too in the comments. If you've
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: given a dry hand job, I want to know.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I no, no, this is not that kind of show.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: We're not going to do it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it know it is as someone who's I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: an expert.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Why break?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Let I hope not. She doesn't talk to me. Welcome back.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: This is brief recess. We're going to jump right into
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: under oath. I want to talk about space law.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't realize I.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Just watched Interstellar again over the holidays. You know I'm
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: obsessed with space. I know, you know that I love
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a good astronaut story. You know that I love ad Astra,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: which is about a man going to space to find
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: his dad because he's got daddy issues. You know, I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: love daddy issues in space starring Brad Pitt. And you
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: know what, sometimes we all work through our daddy issues
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: in our own way. Sure, sometimes you have to go
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to Jupiter to do it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And that's what Brad Pitt did for all of us Jupiter. Yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: so I want to talk about crime and space because
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: this had there was also a headline recently four astronauts
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: who were safely returned just last week. Yeah, they had
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: an unusual week in space. It what's a usual week
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in space?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I have to tell you
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I have the sense that sometimes there are some really
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: mundane moments in space where they're doing the same sort
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of testing over and over again. I don't know what
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: astronauts to do.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: What's a mundane part of your week that might be
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: kind of weird for other people. Mine is like fighting
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: with cops. Mine is like arguing with cops. Why do
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you arguing with con all the time?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Are you really? Yes?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a privileged place for you to be, Michael Foot.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yes it is, and it is very much a way
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: in which I use my way privilege for good.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's usually they're trying to get one of my clients
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to say or admit to something, or they're like, oh, hey,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: just come down to the station answer a few questions,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and then I show up and I'm like, what was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the question?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Ask me, ask me, ask me.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, what was the question? Bitch? Anyway, they had
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: an unusual weekend space that required the crew to leave
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the International Space Station a month earlier because of a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: medical issue that arose in orbit.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Right, and they wouldn't say which one of them it was. Right.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: They're not saying, Peppa.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Good for them, for them. Keep your secrets. Have you
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: been to the doctor recently? I have?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yes? Did I tell you what my doctor said.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: To me with your fat tongue.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: No, doctor did not say I had a fat She
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: said you. She said I had a quite a wide
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: which is different. Not what's going to happen to me now.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I have a really small following on social media, but
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: not because you said this. They're gonna be all these
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: weird tongue people coming at me because of you.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I get foot fetish people because my last name's foot.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I've always been a target. No, I'm serious.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I went on a date once with a guy who
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: had it was weird.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't weird. We're not king shaming.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: No, well, it was weird. It would. Let me tell you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you how I love it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Send me photos of your feet. You'm not worried.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Boy, you have opened it now.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I have nothing I haven't seen before. I actually I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: kind of want to send them in and I'll throw
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: a photo of your foot up on the show next week.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Most foot, not my foot. Oh that's oh okay, strangers
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: strangers on the internet.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I thought you.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing scares me. I'm more afraid of the swifties. Anyway.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: What did your doctors say to you? Oh?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So just this generally, I sort of feel when I
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: said this already, but I had my annual physical and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: my doctor said to me that they doctors are now
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: are being pressured to use AI in their and their
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: appointments to record the appointment. So usually your doctor takes notes.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: They covered this on the PIT on an episode of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the Pit, she starts recording the Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so my doctor refuses to do it. Good, But
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: she wanted me to know that they doctors from on
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: high are being pressured to use it because they're saying
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: that it'll it'll cut time because your doctor does notes.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And then I guess at the end of the day
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: or the end of the week they do like they
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: have to like.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Recap it your it's.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Recording the session.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know who gets that like that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what she was saying. And she's saying
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: right now, they're not making them do it, but they
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: want them to do it, and that she's also telling
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: me that she wanted me to know that the doctor
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is obligated to tell you, the patient that this is
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: happening for now. And I was like, oh, is it
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: like at the front desk they're telling you. She was like, no,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the doctor has to say to you. Is it okay
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: with you if I record this and that it gets
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: transcribed by AI and you can say yes or no,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and if you say no and they do it anyway,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and that is mal practice?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Interesting?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was really she was fit to be tied.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: As they say.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I went to the doctor and he didn't take any
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: notes and he wasn't typing. And now I'm like, was
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he recording that?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: According to my doctor? He had to tell you.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I am the worst lawyer though, and I will just
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: sign anything, So it's totally possible that I signed something.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: They had to tell you verbally. Oh that question. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: was like, is this something that i'm because you know
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we all do this, right You go to the doctor
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and you're just like, well, cook a cook, and then
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you just sign your life away. And she said, no,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: they have to tell you verbally, That's what she said.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I found a weird lawsuit that was around space cause
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: spaces in the news, and I wanted to sort of
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: bring it to you. It's from aw it's from a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: while ago, but it's Florida versus Noak, where.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: It happens in Florida. Sorry, Florida.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: When I was reviewing the case, I was like fucking Florida, man,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Shit always happens in Florida. But she was a Navy
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: captain and NASA astronaut, and she worked with this man
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: William and they began a romantic relationship at NASA. Yeah,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: love and space.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: It was very cute until it wasn't anymore.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Until I mean, most lawsuits, if you're ending up in
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: criminal court, something.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Happened where something went awry.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: No one's in criminal court because they are just in love.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: But their relationship developed during long training hours, simulations, and travel,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and it was romantic yet inconsistent was how it was described,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: so complicated by distance schedules. One person's in orbit, one
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: person's not, one person's at the International Space Station. But
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: no one really acknowledged the relationship at NASA, which I
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: thought was interesting that there was no real like precedent
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: for romantic relationships in NASA.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: In other words, whether or not it was okay or
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: not okay to have a relationship. Yeah, which is interesting.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Strange, mean, because most companies have some sort of policy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: How long ago are we talking?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I think this was what yere was the scene I
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: think was two thousand and seven.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so yeah, with the past. Within the past
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: twenty years or so.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there have been other romantic relationships that NASA.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: This wasn't like the first one.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Sure, but maybe it's the first one that went so bad.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: It did kind of go bad, actually, so William, the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: gentleman in the relationship, William o'falan, He later started dating
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Colleen Shipman, who was an Air Force captain. So it
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: was sort of like this love triangle. We've got Lisa,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: We've got Colleen, and we have William.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Good old Billy. Billy's the guy. Remember what I was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: talking about the other day about every woman has a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: man in her life that drives them crazy.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Billy, Oh thought going to say, yours was a guy
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: named Billy. No, it wasn't, because I was going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: say lightning doesn't strike twe.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no to Billy's no. Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Lisa struggled a lot because Billy started dating Colleen and
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: there was a little bit of uh. There was frequent
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: communication after they broke up, and that was sort of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: what was in the case and the prosecutors sort of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: presented was these consistent, constant communications over a lot of emails,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and she was emailing Billy pretending to be Colleen.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And he was falling for it, yeah, which is like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: come on, Billy.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: It's also like not to victim blame, but.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Like no, no, not to victim blame.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But but also it's two thousand and six er thousand. What
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was email like back then? That she could make up
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: an email? Was it easier to fall for it? Maybe?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I guess so. But also was he not speaking to
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Colleen to know that?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: She starts, she's so, now you're having these conversations with Colleen,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: but really Lisa over email? But are you also seeing
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Colleen and referring back to the email? She's like, what
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: are you talking about?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It reminded me that we used to have conversations on email.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Do you remember this?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yes? I do.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I totally forgot about it. Yeah, yeah, but I would
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: say up until like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Whenever cell phones became a thing.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Whenever that is, the cell phones were a thing then, but.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Like like smartphones, because remember if you had a Nokia,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: you were like pressing the seven.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Nine word, you're pressing, you can only do it. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I do sometimes miss a BlackBerry where you could just
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like type under the table where you had like.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: The keyboard my BlackBerry.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah I was.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I held on to it for a.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Long as long as you could. Yeah, But no, I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: was just thinking about like people who had conversations over
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: email back then, and how we don't do that anymore,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: no at all. Now it's like I need this thing?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Is my email? Or an email I get is like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I need this thing, and it's like here it is.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, Well, now I think we're just using email for
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: work less personal, right.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Because and marketing and shopping.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And shopping correct.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: And now we're just all texting.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: So that was not the case in two thousand and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: six because Lisa was pretending to be Colleen and she
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: learned somehow that Colleen was flying to Orlando to visit William,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and while she was visiting, it triggered a sort of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like now or never mindset and Lisa thought that she
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: could confront and persuade William to sort of leave Colleen
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: for her. And this is all in like court transcripts.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Let this be a lesson. If you have to do that,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I know, if you have to like beg and plead
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and cajole somebody to be with you, then you don't.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Have you ever done that to a man. I will.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'll go on the record and say that I have
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: been dumped and not accepted it for like some time.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: But I wasn't like contacting.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: No, I wasn't. I was despondent, but like not, I.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Was like confused that I was like, well, what do
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: you mean it was so great?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I wasn't confused. I wasn't confused. I was sad, right,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, like clear eyed, but like not wanting to
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: reach out to the person, but like, rather, that's not
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: what I do. I would I am. I was more
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: of a stay home, covers over my head, e pizza.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Pizza, Yeah, yeah, I did. I did that. But then
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I think I also got drunk and like called him, oh, like.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: A drunk call. Yeah, drunk called.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm pretty extroverted, so it was.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not Yeah, oh white people very much.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, there's always the one that gets away.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: We all want to be the one who gets away.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I've gotten away, but I've also got been gotten away from.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine. I'm never sorry.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: And eventually you get to a to Colleen. Yes, Colleen,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: so she confronts her. She's wearing she packed her car
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: with items and decided to confront William in Orlando and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: drove from Texas.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Wearing adult diapers so that she wouldn't have to stop.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And that is dedication.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And she admitted to the adult diapers.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Later, like the police were like, we didn't find any
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: evidence of this. She came forward and wanted to let
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: us know that she was wearing diapers while she was
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: driving to Florida to confront them. You won't catch me
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: admitting to being DipEd up. That would never be something
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that I would tell anyone. But you know, live your truth.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Love seeing that people are, you know, saying the quiet
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: part out loud. But she drove alone, drove straight rather
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: than flying. She arrived in Orlando just as the flight
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: was landing, so she really had this like planned out
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and waited in the airport parking area. And it's described
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: as a brief confrontation in court transcripts. But she pepper
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: sprays Colleen kind of attacks them, which was later used.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: She was charged with battery. And this case, the legal
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: precedent for this case really comes down to the mensraa,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: which we talk about a lot, but it's like how
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: much mensraa do you need and how much of an
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: actual act. Do you need to charge someone with attempted murder? Right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So we need to have the mensraa to want to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: commit the crime, but we also need like a significant step.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So prosecutors were trying to say that her driving all
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the way from Texas was the step towards the commission
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of the crime, the crime being attempted murder, but they
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: ended up playing it out and negotiating because the evidence
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: was so weak. There's so many things that someone could
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: be thinking or going through on a drive from Texas
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to Florida. Sure like there was no documentation of the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: mental state other than the fact that she.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Wanted anybody messages or say anything.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Right, right, And so the defense was like, this was
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: just like emotional distress. It wasn't intent to commit murder.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: There was a bbgun that she had, She brought a
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: bbgun pistol with her, But what did they argue? They
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: argued it was intent to terrorize or was it they
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: were doing it? They argued that she brought a bbgun pistol.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: The defense said it was to scare them rather than
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: actually harm because can you you can't kill someone with
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a BB gun, can you?
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know I mean maybe if you like, stick
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: it in their ear or something like. Do you know
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, You have to really attempt to.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I guess everything's a weapon.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I think anything can be a weapon.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: That's what they said us in middle school. They said
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a pen could be a weapon.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: It can if I stick it in your eyes, that'll
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: smart some, won't it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Saying like you know, that was such a harmony granger
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: thing to say, like it'll small a bit, it's a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: bit small and stick this pen in your eye anyway,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So she brought cash and prepaid items. Some messages were
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: described as confessional and fixated. The b begun was described
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: as realistic looking, raising fear, even though it wasn't lethal.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So investigators found no evidence of alcohol or drugs. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: this was so it wasn't really like impairment wasn't a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: part of the case. But psych evaluations also showed no
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: psychosis that this was right.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like she did all this stuff seemingly
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: while maybe upset, but stone cold, sober and not out
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: of her mind right, and was very like dedicated.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: It was emotional distress. Yes, it was an obsessive fixation,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: is how I would characterize it if I were the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: defense attorney and the victim escaped by locking Colleen escapes,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: she locks herself in her car and drives away. So
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Colleen was able to get away after getting Pepper spreed.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: William's hands are like inexplicably clean in this which not
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to victim blame, but we know through personal experiences how
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: men can make us crazy, right, you said last episode
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: every woman has a man.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I do feel that way.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I have one and all my friends
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: have one.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm like, huh, this is one of those situations,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like we have a woman who seems to have been
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: driven to the brink of madness. Yeah, made a significant
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: step to commit a crime, was accused of and convicted
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: of a crime. We have no information about what transpired
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: in that relationship, right, Like what was that Like, what
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: did she go through? What was that breakup? Like was
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: he cheating on with her with Colin? I mean, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: really don't want to be the one who's like he
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: had to come in And that's not me saying that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: No, I just don't.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: We don't know anything. All we have is the reaction.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: We don't have the action of what actually happened in
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the relationship.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: What he promised her, what she understood it to be, yes, yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And just knowing history of the world, there usually is
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: something so that is like prejudicing me as I read
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: this right.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Like some sort of a gas lighting situation, right, yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: or like a little bit.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Like that, or like some are like I've dated guys
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: where they're always like looking at the hot guy over
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: your shoulder, like you're talking to them and they're like
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: this looking over your shoulders.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Disrespect at the nets and it's like I'm not fucking
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: good enough, or just dump me and go hit it,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: like I don't know why not just so I don't know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know what.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: The tea was. It seems like we we need to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: hear what the tea was from her. But Peppersford was
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the only item actually used during their encounter, so they
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: were able to sort of like attempt charges really hinge
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: on proximity, and prosecutors worried that a jury might overreact
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to like the astronaut status. The fact that she was
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: an astronaut actually helped the defense and they would say,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: rather than like looking at the law, that her being
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: an astronaut actually like gave a lot more credibility because
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: she had gone through that crazy intense training. Because it
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: is like a status thing. There are so few, like
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: how many astronauts do you know? I know zero? So
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: defense counsel quietly benefited from the fact that she had
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: so much status associated with her Air Force status as
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: well as astronauts.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure they listened to her record and if
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: she had sort of been not behaving in this way
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: in the past, that would be like something must have happened, right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: and they were able to use that to her benefit.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Did she go to jail?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: She did so, she oh, she did go to jail.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: So the plea deal avoided a jury trial that NASA.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: NASA really I mean, NASA is the other part in this.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: They really wanted to avoid a jury trial because it
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: would have made all over headlines. Even just the attempted
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: act of one of their officers doing this got so
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: much media attention.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Now they really like and they also interviewed other astronauts
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: because apparently it was having a really negative impact on
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: morale at NASA, which is interesting. I don't think I
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: would have thought about that, like why maybe because what
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: we were saying, how many astronauts are there right, and
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: they probably, I mean I don't know, probably all know
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Imnity.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: There's a community and it's a small.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: It's like a small elite community. Imagine, so for one
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: person from that community to sort of be a mal
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: actor I could imagine was.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: What was she charged with?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So she didn't actually serve any prison sentence. She spent
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: two days in jail after the encounter, but then she
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: had a year of probation after that because she pled
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: out just to the assault, the battery charge.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she also lost her her astronaut pension eligibility, which
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: is a big deal.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: That's got to suck. Yeah, I'm sure that's like a
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: major any pension.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Any pension that you lose because you she invested all
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: that time and training. I wonder, I wonder where she
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: is now. I wonder how she is honestly.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Truly, Like it seems like one of these situations where
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: it's like you go through something really tough. Yeah, you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: have a shit experience with a guy, You make some mistakes,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: like we have all done that drunk dial gone through
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: a guy's phone because we were suspicious, Like I've all
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: taken some sort of step, maybe not as extreme as
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: this one. This is extreme, but it does. I don't know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I was like reading it and I was like, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: feel really empathetic towards this person like this that had
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to go through this, and this was something that I
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, there was just something like really sympathetic about
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it where I was like, damn, Like I read a
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: lot about crime and punishment and I'm like, I don't
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: really know what was happening there, but this one, I
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: was like, I actually do kind of know what was happening.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because it feels like if we're just
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: sort of reading this and trying to understand, it feels
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: like she had some sort of an emotional break right yeah,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: where she felt, whether it's true or not, she felt
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: that maybe this man had promised her something or she
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: felt like the relationship was promising in some way and
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: felt like, well, why couldn't he love me? Like I'm
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: going to make him love me. I'm going to show
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: him how wonderful I am, and I'm going to go
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: do all these things. That's That's not how you get
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: someone to want to be with you. It's just not Michael,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: don't do that anymore.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Could I'm still figuring out how I get someone I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: want to be with me. My own husband is like,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: when are you leaving?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: No?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm serious.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: He's not telling the truth. He's really I know that
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: he's not telling the truth. This a cry for help, folks.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: This has been under oath. We'll be right back. This
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: is Tells from the DMS. We're going to talk about
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: all the things you send me in my DMS. I'm
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: going to answer all your questions. Remember, if you have
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: a question, go to my link tree on any of
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: my social media's and go to speak Pipe is the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: link and you can record your voice and we'll play
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it on the air.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: And remember everyone, while Michael is a lawyer, he's not
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: your lawyer. So everything that you hear here, that you
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: hear here, yeah, here here, everything that you hear here
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: is for entertainment purposes only.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: She's been to platform nine and three quarters. You can
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: tell here here, here here. All right, this is our
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: first question and we're going to keep it anonymous as always,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: don't give us any identifying information. Hit it CJ, Hey, Michael,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: this is well.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: This is someone just a briefcase. I was deported for
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: an aggravated felony. I snumped back in the country, and
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: now I'm in this dilemma. What could I do. I've
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: heard of waivers being.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Asked for.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: As a forgiveness waiver and readjusted while I'm inside. Or
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: would you suggest, based on what's going on, to just
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: go back to my home country and and perhaps just
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: waited out. Something interesting that I saw was that, well
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: I was in a detention center in Louisiana, people were
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: bar from any sort of immigration benefit for three, five
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: and ten years. I did not see a twenty year
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: or a permanent bar. My question is, in my documents,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: there's no limit. There's nothing saying that I'm forbidden from
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: applying or bar from applying for any type of immigration benefit.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: There's no time frame. And so I'm wondering if due
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: to the aggravated aggravated felony, is it that I'm bar
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: permanently or could you maybe help me out with with
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: my question?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks, that's a lot, Yeah, he has a lot going on.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: It's there's there are a lot of things he's talks
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: about that are kind of insider baseball, like aggravated felony
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: is like a classification and immigration law for certain types
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: of felonies. They're a big deal in the South Southern States.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Certain things like you know, threatening someone while using they
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: call it like terroristic threats, and it's like, go, fuck,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking kill you is like considered a terroristic threat,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: which we New Yorkers use every day on subway, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: certain things get classified. I don't know what the crime was,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: but if he's basically to answer your question, anonymous, if
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: you were convicted of an aggravated felony, it bars most
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: pathways for immigration forward, so like you can't get asylum.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to overturn you would and I understand
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: what he was saying. So the waivers that he's talking about,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: there are these certain bands on X number of years
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: if you've been deported with if you've been here illegally
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: and you get deported, there are certain number of years
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that you're banned from re entry. So that's what he's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: kind of talking about. So it's usually like I think
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: it's one hundred and eighty days to a year. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: think the band is like a year once you've deported
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and you're coming back in because this person re entered.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: That is sort of what he's talking about. He learned
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: about that in detention from other migrants.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: But let's say he went back to his country. Yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: the United States doesn't necessarily know that he's here. Could
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: he go back home and reapply to come into the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: unit or is that so?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: That is a great question. The problem with that is
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: that if you have an aggravated felony conviction, yeah, it
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: is going to bar you from most avenues of the entry.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: No matter what, no matter what.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's probably why he had to come back illegally crossed.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't have to come back, have to,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there were choices that were made.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Sorry, great clarification. Couldn't come back legally?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Correct?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Is that great clarification? But yeah, So the bottom line
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: is really like aggravated felony pulus a legal re entry
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: usually as a permanent bar.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, period, do you think there is any scenario
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: where the reason he committed the what was it, the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: aggravated felony would impact his ability to come back.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: We always talk about this like there's always something you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: can do as a lawyer, right, Like, there's always like
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: an appeal, there's always the habeast and there's that there's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: always a lawyer who can find something to attempt. If
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: this person were like, you must do something, Michael, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: would challenge that felony charge. I would find a way
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to appeal that charge, and I would try and get
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that overturn because that's going to free up everything else, Okay,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: because every other immigration pathway it is going to be
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: blocked just by having that decision ruled against your So
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: that is what I would do, is I would, if
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: if you were like, Michael, you have to do something,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: challenge the aggravated felony and get that overturned because that'll
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: at least open up some avenues because otherwise, no, there's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: no forgiveness waiver, that's not that doesn't apply. There's no
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: like waiting it out when it cut like that. Those
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: charges are on the books. So unless you get that overturned,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: there's nothing else you can really do. So thank you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: for your question, like, thank you for your honesty. That
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: was a really interesting one.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of work with people who've been
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: accused of crimes who then are trying to face the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: immigration process, and you can have I had someone who
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: had twelve criminal convictions, Okay, none of them were aggravated felonies, though. Okay,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: they were all like drug possession misdemeanors, and I was
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: able to get that person's status. I got them LPR.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: It's called LPR cancelation, okay, because but if even one
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: of them was considered an aggravated felony, No, that pathway
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: is not an option.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: We recently were contacted by PETA, which is how we
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: know we made it in the biz, and I wanted
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: to turn the mic over to Melissa, who has a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: prepared statement. As a bober Truther, it's important for me
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: to be open and honest and create dialogue on this
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: show for all opinions. So I'm going to turn the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: micro ver to Melissa, who wants to respond to Peter's
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Peter reached out with concerns because we were talking about
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: for and how Melissa likes to thrift and buy vintage
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: furs from animals that it's not new fur. And so
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to turn it over to her, and I'm
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: going to say nothing else because I don't want to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: get canceled.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, shout out to Peter. It was a really
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: kind letter, and I appreciate the information that you gave us.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Basically what said first said that he wanted to thank
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: us for because Michael and I had said in our
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: last episode that we were not interested in buying any
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: new for those kinds of things, but that he also
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: wanted us to know that. And I think he says
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: I want to quote him here. He says that we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: wanted to share that. Unfortunately, whether someone is wearing FIR
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: made in twenty twenty six or nineteen twenty six, it
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: still sends the same message to others that it's okay
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: to exploit and kill animals for the sake of fashion.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I have said this before and I will continue to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: say this. I'm always willing to be educated. I'm always
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: willing to have a conversation or a dialogue with somebody.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: And I really appreciate the way that Peter reached out
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: to us. I'm actually very touched by the message. Also
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: said that if I guess Michael or I or anyone
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: is interested in donating there for items that there's a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: space for that, I will put that in my social media. Michael,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: will you put it in your show? And I'm going
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: to reach back out to you. I have two pieces
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: that I am willing to donate and everything else that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you've said I will absolutely keep that under advisement, and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: once again, I really appreciate you guys reaching out to us.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I want to say that I think it's okay to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: wear and buy vintage for as long as it appears vintage, right, Like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: if you're buying a fur coat that looks brand new,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you're propagating sort of.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Like I disagree with that, Okay, So I do think
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: there's a difference in purchasing vintage fur. I do. I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: think it's like I said, I would never buy something new.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it matters that it looks vintage.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I guess everyone is cool not buying new fur. It
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it looks vintage, right, because like if
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: we're walking around wearing fur and like we look really
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: hot and then someone sees this and it's like wow,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I love for I also want to buy fur, but
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: that person knows I'm not going to buy new fur.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think we should be killing minks. Let me
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: go to an estates own and buy a thrifted fur coat.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like it doesn't have to be one
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: or the other, as long as people are aware and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: informed that don't buy new fur. Yeah, and let's have
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: like a really hot market on the secondary market for
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: vintage fur. I think that's okay.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: I do think it needs to be one or the other.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you can buy new first, right,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't support that.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that. I understand why people object
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: to for whether it is vintage or new. My feeling
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: about vintage fur is that that is a deed that
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: has been done probably before we were born, sure, right,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: and if we dispose of it, so it is either
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: going to end up in a landfill or it's going
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: to be destroyed in some way. I'm not sure what
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: else could happen with fur that already exists. So that's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: for me, that's the difference I think about.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: My mom donated my eyas for to the animal shelter
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: and the pets all slept on it. That is something
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: you can donate it. But I think that like the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: difference between what does that do?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I'm genuinely curious.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think it does anything. I think it's just
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: like an ethical way to dispose.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Of first you don't want, okay, because.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: My mother was like, I'm never gonna wear the ears. Yeah,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: but I guess like, I'm okay, I'm okay with vintage
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: for it, but I am like open to being corrected,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: like as always if you've got a strong argument, like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: I'll take it, I'll learn, I'll grow, I'll apologize and like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but from where I say right now, knowing that what
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  Speaker 1: I know, which I think is enough mm hm, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's okay to have to buy vintage for
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  Speaker 1: and wear it is okay to me.
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  Speaker 2: Same but again, always open to have the conversation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Get on the record, message us, you can email us
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  Speaker 1: brief recess at exactly rightmedia dot com and like, let's
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  Speaker 1: have the debate. Like I'm I'm actually open to it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really I don't think I buy any first.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's like it's absolutely zero stakes for me,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm curious to hear because I could be persuaded.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have the debate. Let's do it. Yeah, I will say,
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  Speaker 1: as someone who people contact me on the internet all
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  Speaker 1: the time with the craziest fucking shit, this was a
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  Speaker 1: very nice letters was it was really nice?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pact people.
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  Speaker 1: Call me names. They oh they the swifties are trying
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  Speaker 1: to dox me, Peter was I have to say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they get a bad rap. This was one of the
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  Speaker 1: nicest emails I've kind of gotten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really so. And like I said, we really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you listening, We appreciate you reaching out, and you will
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  Speaker 2: hear from me this week for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Michael Foot, Melissa Albrant.
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