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Talks to Frazer Gregory & Si Hart about their choice of Planet of the Spiders (1/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blunt.
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  Pen knife for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife.
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  The Doctor Who Commentary podcast.
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  Hello. We're here at the end of season
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  11. It's been a long five years.
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  The Jon Pertwee is very tired. Nicholas Courtney has grown his
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  hair. Mike Yates, Richard Franklin
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  cast out of the main cast. Katie Manning's gone.
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  Roger Delgado is sadly dead. There's just John Levine and Pat
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  Gorman left in units. It must be the Planet of the
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  Spiders. Hello.
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  Well, don't you say that? Yeah, but you know, obviously
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  everyone's gone and everyone's tired and people are having
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  nervous breakdowns and and people are dying.
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  But this is like a big last hurrah of every actor that's
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  ever appeared in this era, isn't it?
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  Very much so. So just to start us off, Joe
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  obviously is here and Fraser is here as well because it's not
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  just just me on this one. Hello.
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  I've got, I've just got a question for you.
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  Oh. That's unusual.
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  What's it all about? What?
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  Do you mean this story? Well, if you'd watched Part 1,
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  Joe, you'd know that that's a bit of a ninja.
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  Oh. Sorry.
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  Oh, oh, I don't think we can take that from him, Joe.
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  No, I do recall when we did Robot Sherwood, you know, you
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  didn't watch that one. True.
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  And look how that turned out. And did you watch it?
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  Did you watch Victory of the Daleks as well?
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  I did. Oh, OK.
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  No, you didn't. It's like.
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  No, I didn't, did I? And and as famously everyone
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  knows, I had no idea about the Aztecs at all.
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  So. Exactly so.
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  The only person that basically researches thoroughly is Fraser.
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  I watched it. And yet still somehow manages to
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  be wrong with spectacular frequency.
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  So here we are. We're at the end of the purple
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  years and to be honest, on Hamster, I've only ever been at
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  the tail end of the Purple years, so this is nothing,
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  nothing new for me, But what was your first experience of Planet
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  of the Spiders? Right.
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  You got the VHS back in the day, so.
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  Glorious gorgeous cover. Yeah, yeah, Massive Buffon as he
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  on that one. No, it's.
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  So yes, we're talking early 90s, early mid 90s.
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  I don't think it was the first one I got by any stretch.
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  I think you know things like Sea devils and demons and and
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  whatnot at all had them under me belt probably had Death to the
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  Daleks and Day of the Daleks and all of those so it was it was
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  definitely coming to it on on VHS because when you're correct
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  you that's what you aim for. Well certainly I did you know I
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  aimed for I'm going to be spending me money on on
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  something I want like the special one.
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  So I'll get Castro Valva because that's the first Davidson one.
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  I'll get Planet the Spiders because that's the last perk way
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  I'll get the five doctors because that's got everybody in
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  it. So it was definitely that way of
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  thinking around that. You know, I never bought the VHS
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  of Planet of the Spiders. Nor did I.
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  Because my mate Matthew Dillon had it in his collection, so I
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  was like, well, I haven't got bio, I can borrow it off him and
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  I never borrowed it off him. So this is one of the very last
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  classic Doctor Who stories I ever saw.
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  It wasn't until the DVD came out that I saw it.
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  And I think by that point, yeah, we've had all the opinions, the
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  house stammers, walkers and Peter Haynings and all of that
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  telling us that the tail end of the Pearl era is, you know,
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  terrible. But then we'd also had the the
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  backlash against that by that point where people were starting
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  to question those beliefs in fanzines and things like this.
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  So I was in a good state of mind to be a bit contrary about what
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  the, you know, there's old fan Pinions for.
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  I just loved it. I stuck it on.
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  I loved it, and I love the special features and I love the
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  commentary. Yeah, well, we'll go into a lot
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  of why I love this one. But I've so I've always really
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  loved this. But I know that's not the case
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  for at least one of us. Well.
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  Yes. So, Simon, you've been watching
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  Doctor Who longer than we've been alive.
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  How did you know? Planet of the Spiders.
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  Well, first of all, I came to it from the book because it was one
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  that my mum read me because. I read the book of this one.
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  I did actually read the book of this, and there's only one book
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  that I didn't. I'm going to live this down.
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  No, I know. Never ever.
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  No. So this was, yeah, this was an
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  early on book because I was certainly at Infant School when
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  we read this one. So this was The Doctor's
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  Adventures on Metabolism Free because my mum mispronounced it
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  as well as Matt Smith. So so this was one that I knew
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  sort of quite early on and I loved the book.
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  So I thought the book was was wonderful.
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  I Remember Remember that. And then I saw it in 1990 as
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  part of my great big copied from Betamax video hall that I have
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  mentioned several times on this podcast.
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  Is this where you were meeting a guy in a back alley during the
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  pool? Basically, yeah.
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  Great back we have. A great big bag of Doctor Who.
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  What What, you want demons? Yeah.
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  Got that. Got that.
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  But, and I think because the quality of the picture was so
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  poor that I've, I mistook that for the quality of the story
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  being quite poor and a Pertwee 6 parter in sort of 7th, 6th or
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  7th generation VHS copy is a hard slog.
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  And this was a hard slog and I wanted to love it and I just
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  thought it's a bit tatty, it's very slow.
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  This is sort of on the back of season 26, which had been
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  fast-paced and bright and shiny and and brilliant and I wasn't
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  wasn't enamoured. And then I changed my mind.
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  And then I watched it a few years later when I've got a good
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  copy. And do you know what?
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  I fell right in love with it because I think you can see that
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  this is the end of an era and this is for the first time in
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  Doctor Who, they are rounding. They're giving a Doctor his big
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  hurrah and this becomes the standard for each Doctor going
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  after this that you're going to round the era off with something
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  really big, a really cracking adventure.
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  Particularly I think it's the it's the sort of standard that
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  the new series has gone for, where it's a big era ending
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  story. Lots of elements from the era
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  are coming back. There's lots of call backs to
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  things that have happened before, which has never, ever,
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  ever, ever happened in Doctor Who before.
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  No other previous Doctor Who companion has written a letter
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  back to the Doctor to say, oh look, remember that story we did
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  last year? Well, with this crystal, look,
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  I'm sending it back to you and that.
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  I mean that's just, that's soap opera basically.
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  And and suddenly this is Doctor Who almost as soap opera.
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  And it is wonderful. I didn't realise how much of
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  this era, and it looked like, was ticked off in this story.
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  Obviously you've got Mike Yates from Invasion of the Dinosaurs
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  being redeemed. You've got the fellow up the
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  mountain being unveiled, don't you?
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  From the monster. That story that's in there.
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  Like you said, Joe Grant coming back you.
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  Crystal Metabolis free. Metabolism and even like, I
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  like, I love as well how the sort of the conclusion that's
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  drawn about Sean Perkley's doctor in the last story is that
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  he's a bit of a prick. You know, he's got a lot of
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  hubris, so that we've known for the last five seasons.
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  Which, to be fair, he is. But this is this is the very
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  softest his doctor has ever been.
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  Hang on, My PC has decided it was.
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  Going to run out of power? Oh, keep talking, we're.
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  OK, we're OK. OK, quick Jewel, do some like
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  exotic belly dancing. Really want to say that?
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  Definitely. He didn't shout Eureka, he
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  shouted. I'm a strange.
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  Maker. Wonderful moves.
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  I shall have to adopt those for the men.
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  So yeah, I think this is just, I'm a big era ending story and
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  it is self indulgent, but I think it's justified.
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  Right. Agree and disagree with you
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  there, Simon. Of course.
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  I think you're absolutely right that this is, you know, a big
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  last hurrah for Pertway. This is, you know, everything
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  about his era in one six part episode.
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  I don't think any other Doctor gets that until probably Day of
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  a Tenant. I think me jomie knew when we
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  did Time of the Doctor. Oh yes, I mentioned this.
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  Yeah, or I might have been with Dave.
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  Anyone. I did end the time on his Kettle
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  and string podcast. But there's two types of
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  regeneration stories. There's the ones where you know
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  the Doctor is in peril and the Doctor gets out of peril.
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  And that happens weekend. Weekend.
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  We can't week out until the point you don't want the Doctor
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  to get out of peril anymore. In which cases?
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  Now it's a regeneration story. And there's the ones which
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  really build up towards the regeneration.
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  So things like, you know, time of the Doctor is building
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  towards this big regeneration. The power of the Doctor is
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  building towards the regeneration.
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  Something like obviously the 10th planet isn't, it's just Oh
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  yeah, but he can't do another week.
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  Let's get part in something like, you know, things like
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  Lagopoulos and Kezwan does only have a subtle build up towards
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  the regeneration, but it's not kind of like, you know, this is
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  it. This is going to be the big
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  blowout this is going to be. No, I mean with Lagopoulos, it's
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  the impending sense of doom that the regeneration is coming.
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  It is with them, with Andrew Zarney.
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  It's more just, you know the Doctor has been set up in in
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  episode one with this fatal disease that is, you know
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  ultimately going to kill him and just can't get to the point
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  where we again an. Impending doom?
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  Yeah, this one like you see is very much.
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  Again, it's it's, it's nothing that's like building towards
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  this is going to be the end of Pertwee other than we are
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  getting Pertwee's greatest hits, we are getting everything that
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  you would expect from the John Pertwee story, but we're kind of
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  dialing it up to 11 really so well.
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  I was going to say I want to make a comparison to Todd with
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  the Doctor actually, because that's a really interesting one
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  to choose to compare this to. Because I don't think the John
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  Poe era is like, the whole era is structured in a way the way
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  you would expect an ending that sort of culminated in all of
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  this stuff coming back. It's been a lot of stand alone
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  stories with just a few sort of gentle things going through it.
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  Whereas Matt Smith's era was like like densely arc based
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  where you would expect you know, a big culmination at the end.
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  And the weird thing is, I'll find this incredibly satisfying
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  because it surprises you how many elements they bring in here
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  to sort of tie the era up. And in comparison in time with
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  the Doctor, you and I talked about this.
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  There's that sequence where they all just sit around the table
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  for 5 minutes and just talk about the entire era and go,
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  well, that was all about that in Series 6, and that was all about
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  that in Series 5. And it's just deeply
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  unsatisfying because it's part of a sort of a larger story.
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  I think it really surprises how much how much.
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  Without Planet of the Spiders, a lot of this wouldn't feel like a
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  coherent whole, but because they bring in all the elements here,
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  it does it. It ties it all up, like in a
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  really neat bow. It's surprising.
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  Again, I I don't feel that it was necessarily, I don't think
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  it's that type of story. It's not sort of like, you know,
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  oh, we need to find out what happened with Joel Grant or we
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  need. Redeem, It's almost it unfolds
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  by coincidence. Yeah, the the.
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  I think where it shines is in just having those those moments.
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  We're not going to discuss them if we ever get around to talking
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  about the episode or playing. But you know, it's just got
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  those, those elements, those things that you look for, you
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  know, you think perk where you are, you think action by havoc,
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  you think UNIT family, you think you know chases, you think you
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  know Doctor. It's got all of these elements
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  in it. It's not necessarily, you know,
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  like I say, setting out to do something along the lines of or
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  this must be wrapped up. What it is trying to do is say
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  here is what we do and this is also doing it and cutting free
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  and cutting loose and just saying we're going to do as much
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  as it is we want as we'll see in Episode 2 and just going for it.
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  Ultimately, I think, Joe, you said when I last talked about
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  this at the ends of Seeds of Doom that I'd said it was
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  flawed. And it is.
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  It's massively flawed. And you know, you can't
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  objectively tell me that they are not better written episodes
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  of Doctor Who. Better.
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  There are better written John Powie serials, yeah, and I've
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  done Ambassadors of Death already.
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  Better written, better performed stories.
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  There's better directed stories. There's better realized stories,
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  but this is just so much fun because of what it's doing, you
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  know? All of that just is.
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  Doesn't matter, because what we are doing is we're coming
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  together for six weeks to absolutely celebrate Jon Purpee
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  and his time struck who? And he's done 5 great years.
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  He has reinvigorated the show and he deserves.
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  Yeah, at all of this. Yeah.
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  And you know when I was was a miserable teenager and a in my
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  early 20s when I didn't like Jon Pertwee because that was the
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  prevailing thing in fandom, that was one of the reasons swayed by
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  by people who were wrong, you know, that was that I think that
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  was a sort of wow, it's self indulgent.
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  Oh, it's just nonsense. He doesn't.
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  Yeah. Why does he get this?
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  But watching him, particularly in that particular sequence in
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  Part 5, which I think is the finest bit of acting Jon Pertwee
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  ever does in the show, I am yeah, he is still giving this
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  show everything right at the end, but.
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  You so, Fraser, this is really fun, and I think it is.
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  I also think this is one of the most thoughtful Doctor Who
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  story. It's just got barrier, let's
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  stamped all over it. Oh, yes.
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  Well, yeah. Well, he's producing, directing,
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  writing. He's the author here, isn't he?
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  But like, you know, that's as. Much deserved, as John Perk.
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  Exactly. You know, we can't just say this
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  is the John Pertwee era that's going out, this is the Terence
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  Dixon Barry. Let's the era that's going out.
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  So we are not just celebrating the actor John Pertwee, we are
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  celebrating the Pertwee era, which means we have to have the
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  best of 10 sticks. We have to have the best of
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  Barry Letts as well, which we get in this, you know we get.
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  Like you said, it's not. Yeah, it's not perfect, but what
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  it is, it's it's all those things you want from A10 Sticks
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  story. It's all the things you want
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  from a Barry Let's Story era or just on acid.
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  But in like the redemption of Mike Yates in sort of Tommy's
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  story throughout this, in the Doctor facing his fears, in that
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  it's just incredibly moving final scene with John Bertway, I
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  think you hit moments of sort of real drama in Doctor Who, which
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  we hadn't really had before. What you hit is moments of
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  charm. Oh, yes.
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  Thank you for listening to a hamster with a blood pen knife.
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  Goodnight, everybody. Well, should we watch episode
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  one? You know what?
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  Yeah. Who's going to?
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  Cut us in, I will call on then in 543321 No.
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  Oh hell, the Great One. Oh oh good.
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  I love this sequence. With his bouffant and we're
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  about to zoom. Well, I think you'll find this
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  is quite late in the purple years because because his hair's
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  been teased up and it's quite a big booth on now, isn't it?
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  It's just getting out of the way now is.
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  Jon Perry's Nico, the only one large enough to plug a hole in
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  the Time vortex. Yep, he's the only Doctor Who
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  could fly through the time Vortex.
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  I know he did. Gentlemen, I have one thing and
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  one thing to say at your zoning at this point.
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  What's that? Who's Cows?
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  There are cows in Doctor, and there aren't many, you know.
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  No image of the Fender has cows. I love this idea of the Doctor
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  and the Brig going out for a night out.
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  Oh, yes. You know and you think.
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  This has changed from ambassadors of death.
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  Race. Yeah.
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  What exactly then? Well, this is a long way from
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  Season 7. No, it's not really season
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  seven. You could imagine them going out
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  for a beer together. Season eight, Season 8, and
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  that's not going to happen. Season eight.
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  No. See, you know season 10 and
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  maybes. I think it's a nice sort of, you
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  know, umbrella. The fact that, you know, they
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  started out really quite. We described it as Holmes and
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  Watson didn't work and then it kind of goes more sort of like
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  Terry and June after that and then it's coming back now to
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  something a bit more, you know, friendly and familiar.
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  It's. Just so funny, the way the
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  Doctor's so unimpressed by the belly dance and the brigade is
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  sits up to attention like, oh, that's correct and she's just
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  the two next to them because one looks like Ross Corbett and the
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  other one looks like Cassandra from Falls And all that's true
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  isn't this. I think this is a spectacular
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  first episode. Yeah, it's decent.
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  No, I think it's great. I think it's really grounded and
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  it's really spooky and it's full of mysteries and suspense.
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  It's got a great cliffhanger and that's me done.
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  See you later guys. She was off to watch the belly
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  dance, everyone. I think this this whole thing I
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  was watching on the special features of Mark Gatiss was
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  talking about these sequences in the the not monastery.
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  What is it? It's Lamas tree, isn't it?
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  Yeah. And that you know this.
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  Retreat. These adults dress very
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  normally. It's like adults that he knew,
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  behaving in this sort of sinister way, chanting away in
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  sort of dark Cellars. There's an atmosphere to it.
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  Yeah, definitely. There's a there's a sinisterness
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  to to this that you can't quite pin down sort of straight away.
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  And I think it's a lovely, lovely use of Mike, Yeah, Who,
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  who we haven't seen for a few stories, who we don't expect to
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  see again. And the fact that he sort of
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  stumbled on this mystery is, is really good.
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  Well, you said earlier you said the word it's almost like
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  coincidental, but these elements are in here.
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  But actually all of those elements inform the story might
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  goes to the monastery because of what happened in Invasion of the
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  Dinosaurs which brings in Sarah Jane.
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  Joe sends the crystal which came from the Green death, which of
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  course is to chase in episode 2, and then sends them to
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  Mesabilius 3. All those elements inform the
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  plot. Metabolism.
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  Sorry, I believe Professor Clegg.
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  Oh no, it's not Professor Clegg. Next, is it?
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  It's that dreadful. No, it is.
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  No, it is Professor Clegg now. Oh.
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  I haven't got the Subs on. I'll turn them on now.
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  Here we go. There is a very relaxed
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  chemistry between Nick Courtney and John Purry now though, isn't
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  there? Yeah.
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  Yeah, I think it's it's sort of rather lovely.
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  I think that after all these years of the Doctor railing
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  again against being stuck on Earth and then being given his
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  freedom, that as soon as he's given his freedom he comes back
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  back home to UNIT and the lab. And here is Cyril Shap's
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  greatest. I've got a question for you
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  then. Who has come in his in his
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  perfect PERT we cosplay. Bow tie.
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  Cloak. Bow tie.
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  Yep. I've got some questions for you
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  guys. Go on.
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  Then Sir Simon, who's the supporting actor that won't cop
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  out when there's danger all about chaps?
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  Oh, this is like our greatest hits then.
• 22:57
  Who is the man that would risk his neck for?
• 23:00
  His brother? Man, you're damn right.
• 23:06
  Oh, he's a complicated man. No one understands in but his
• 23:10
  woman. Several shaps.
• 23:15
  He's wonderful. Just wonderful.
• 23:17
  He is so brilliant and obviously back from Ambassadors of Death.
• 23:22
  It's a. Shame isn't it, that he does
• 23:24
  chip out in episode one because he is really good.
• 23:26
  I'm not sure what he'd do for the rest of the story.
• 23:28
  No so good in Ambassadors of Death.
• 23:31
  He he just makes this poor Professor Clegg, who's just
• 23:36
  makes him so tragic. There's a brilliant line here,
• 23:40
  you know, from Pertway man, He can deliver a line, can't he?
• 23:43
  Where he goes. I promise I will not tell them
• 23:46
  that. You are in fact a very powerful
• 23:47
  clairvoyant. And I was like, oh, that's a
• 23:51
  great love. And he's not doing it in an arcy
• 23:55
  way, which he would have done in Series 8 or season nine.
• 23:59
  He's, but he's really concerned and he's really, he's just
• 24:03
  lovable here. There's a lot more charm about
• 24:06
  them in the store, yes, than we're used to.
• 24:11
  I think it sort of starts Carnival of Monsters onwards, so
• 24:15
  I think he's quite charming from that point on.
• 24:20
  I think, I say I think he's really charming in CV7.
• 24:22
  I think he just you know this year I'm in a different
• 24:25
  direction in in 8-9 and ten and you know like again it's nice
• 24:30
  that he has come back now to be in you know a lot more affable.
• 24:37
  So Sam, you're you're a big fan of several shops, aren't you?
• 24:40
  What? What do you think is shops is
• 24:41
  best? Oh, it's really difficult
• 24:46
  because all four of his characters are are quite
• 24:49
  distinct, but also quite nervous.
• 24:51
  But I do absolutely love the Archimandrite.
• 24:54
  Joe has just demonstrated the Archimandrite's hat.
• 24:56
  Oh, is that what? He's doing here, so I go.
• 24:59
  Dear, dear, dear, I thought. It was angling first.
• 25:02
  Stop it. But I do notice.
• 25:05
  I think he is absolutely lovable in this story.
• 25:08
  He's just so. Now look, you see this with the
• 25:12
  CSO with the tray? Yeah, this is.
• 25:15
  This is what they should be doing with CSO.
• 25:16
  Just about that amount. That's enough.
• 25:20
  We're going to see a lot more before the end of the story.
• 25:23
  Did you guys notice the gubbins in the doctor's laboratory?
• 25:26
  Because on the back shelf there's an enormous, like,
• 25:29
  Raptor dinosaur. I don't know what that's doing
• 25:32
  there. Have a look on the shelves in
• 25:34
  the middle. All right.
• 25:35
  OK, back in that direction. Look, look, we just comfort in
• 25:42
  shops. He's so gentle with her, isn't
• 25:45
  he? He is, yeah.
• 25:47
  And then shops is perfect with this one because he does play
• 25:49
  that put upon person so very well, doesn't he?
• 25:54
  Everyone of his characters is is kind of, you know, under stress,
• 25:58
  under a bit of strain and, you know, really kind of nervous
• 26:01
  about it. So he is perfect for this.
• 26:03
  I can't imagine he played that sort of, you know, the die in
• 26:06
  charge, the the hero, you know, charge.
• 26:10
  Seems very unlikely. Would would sell shops have made
• 26:14
  a good fusion, do you think? Yeah.
• 26:17
  Possibly, yeah, I think so, yeah.
• 26:19
  But maybe not quite as good as Terry Scully.
• 26:22
  Yeah, I think I would agree with that for once.
• 26:24
  Despite. That there's a lot of brown in
• 26:27
  these sets. I do think I love these sort of
• 26:29
  down to earth sets that they do it.
• 26:32
  Feels very real. It feels very mid 70s.
• 26:35
  I think Barriers is absolutely going for as down to earth as he
• 26:38
  possibly can. Before taking us off to
• 26:41
  Metabolis 3, I mean look at this at a train station.
• 26:47
  Damn, it's very portal homes, isn't it?
• 26:49
  When you think about it, that's exactly the sort of sets we'll
• 26:54
  get, like Zygons and Mars. Did homes have something to do
• 27:00
  with this? So was he scripted?
• 27:01
  Sing this. Well, he was sort of scripted
• 27:02
  sing around. So I everything is sort of all a
• 27:06
  bit bit of a muddle at this point because at the same time
• 27:10
  as doing this, they're also making Robot at the same time.
• 27:14
  So Terence has been off and he's rewritten most of Monster
• 27:18
  Peloton and has been writing Robot and in the middle you've
• 27:23
  got he says. So I was so grateful that it was
• 27:27
  Barry and and Bob Sloman writing this story, because I didn't.
• 27:30
  I knew I wouldn't have to do a lot of work on this.
• 27:33
  And so then Bob Holmes is around as well, sort of trailing
• 27:36
  everyone and sort of working his way into the role as well.
• 27:43
  So we said we said this can be a bit self indulgent in this
• 27:45
  story. I do think it would make like a
• 27:47
  peerless 4 parter. Have you watched the the omnibus
• 27:51
  edition that's on the DVD? Because that's that takes it
• 27:55
  down to that length and it works really well.
• 27:59
  Doesn't my gates just seem like a human being when you get him
• 28:02
  out of that uniform and put him behind with a car?
• 28:05
  I never really believed he was Jates.
• 28:07
  I never really believed him as a character.
• 28:09
  He was so stiff. Oh, he was the perfect officer.
• 28:14
  He was, you know, useless and dependent on his men.
• 28:20
  But it was also a bit, it was, it was sort of like, you know,
• 28:22
  he's supposed to be a military man, but he was sort of
• 28:24
  thoughtful, wasn't he? And and and smart and not.
• 28:29
  Not. No, no, I think that's an.
• 28:34
  Invasion of the dinosaurs? Really.
• 28:36
  Benton is the smart and thoughtful 1.
• 28:39
  Oh, OK, well, we don't get much of Benton in this, you know.
• 28:42
  Would. Don't.
• 28:43
  No. And again, I think that's part
• 28:45
  of the double banking because they're doing robot at the same
• 28:48
  time. Benton and the Brig are big
• 28:50
  parts of that story. So they can only do a small
• 28:55
  proportion of this one. So what?
• 28:57
  They've been so the Brig. Same time.
• 28:59
  Sorry, Yeah, yeah, same. Time, yeah.
• 29:02
  Yeah, so yeah, so Liz Sladen says she goes from one of the
• 29:07
  studio sessions of Planet of the Spiders.
• 29:10
  I think it was the first studio session and then is hauled up to
• 29:15
  to Worcestershire to do the location recording for Robot.
• 29:19
  So she is doing two stories at the same time.
• 29:22
  And she's a pro. Well, I've got to talk about Liz
• 29:26
  Slayden and John. Oh, absolutely.
• 29:28
  Which I think is such an underrated pairing.
• 29:31
  Uh, huh. How everyone disagrees with me.
• 29:34
  OK. That's that conversation, Dan.
• 29:37
  I think it is, but it's it's underrated for a reason, which
• 29:40
  is because obviously you know, Pertwee and Caroline John are
• 29:45
  exceptional together and Pertwee and Katie Manning are a
• 29:50
  phenomenon together. So it is, you know
• 29:53
  understandable that it'll be you know under appreciated,
• 29:57
  especially when you then think Tom Baker and Liz Slade and also
• 30:01
  magic together. And you know it's it's kind of
• 30:05
  like you know what's what's the second highest mountain in the
• 30:08
  world. No one knows the name at the top
• 30:10
  of their head To the you know you know Everest is the highest.
• 30:13
  It doesn't mean that this mountain's any less high.
• 30:15
  It's just. But what's interesting is, I
• 30:17
  think, actually you. Yeah, some of Pertwee's most
• 30:20
  intimate moments. With his companion we have
• 30:22
  Elizabeth Slayden. There's that great bit in Death
• 30:24
  to the Daleks. Oh.
• 30:25
  Yeah, where he cups. Her legs and then his death
• 30:28
  scene in this as well, and the sequence in the monster peloton
• 30:32
  where she thinks he's dead. Oh, everyone.
• 30:35
  Always thinks he's dead. Oh, no, I don't know.
• 30:37
  But they're they're great moments, you know, and they have
• 30:40
  to sort of generate. Talk about that in part 4.
• 30:43
  Pretty quickly, you know they only have five stories together.
• 30:48
  So here we've got the revelation about a mysterious woman called
• 30:51
  Doris. We've all had liaisons down a
• 30:55
  hotel in Brighton, you know. Nick Courtney's face where he's
• 31:02
  he's just remembering and it's just it's really great this.
• 31:07
  Is where he goes. Yes.
• 31:08
  Yes. Oh, perfectly true.
• 31:09
  Yes. OK, yeah, change the subject.
• 31:14
  Is he about to do Professor Clegg's hair?
• 31:17
  Oh, look at that as a contraption.
• 31:19
  That's what Benton says, isn't it?
• 31:21
  Doing a bit of hairdressing on the side.
• 31:22
  Dr. Yeah, no, that dinosaur, did you see it hanging down from the
• 31:29
  ceiling? Oh yes.
• 31:30
  It's very odd. Perhaps it's one of the puppets
• 31:33
  from Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Oh, look.
• 31:36
  And then we get all the monsters, don't we?
• 31:38
  Yeah, we get a nice little flashback.
• 31:40
  What monsters does that? Carnival of monsters.
• 31:42
  Hiya. Thrashakes.
• 31:44
  Trash. Eggs, yes, yeah.
• 31:47
  I know I was winding you up the other day.
• 31:51
  It's great because it Carnival of Monsters, isn't it?
• 31:54
  Because again, you don't get flashbacks in Doctor Who,
• 32:00
  certainly not to previous stories.
• 32:02
  In the 80s you do. Yes, but you.
• 32:04
  Do with. You do a bit in Purpley as well
• 32:06
  though, don't you? Because you have like the mind
• 32:07
  of evil where he gets all the. All the.
• 32:10
  He gets the photographs, doesn't he?
• 32:11
  Yeah. Then you have the Daleks, where
• 32:15
  he goes into the Dalek. Oh, yeah.
• 32:18
  All right. Yeah.
• 32:18
  OK And then. And then in Carnival of
• 32:20
  Monsters, he sees a cyber man. And then.
• 32:22
  Yeah, OK All right. I'm wrong.
• 32:25
  What stories have got the names of the story?
• 32:29
  Hardly. Any.
• 32:30
  Hardly any. But nobody says in this My God,
• 32:33
  it's a planet of spiders. Only that said, we must now go
• 32:39
  to the Planet of the Spiders then would have at least three.
• 32:45
  What do you think of Kevin Lindsay?
• 32:48
  Well, I don't think you'd do it now.
• 32:50
  No. You know, and I, but I don't
• 32:53
  think it's like it's as troubling as some
• 32:57
  interpretations of the Orient in Doctor Who.
• 33:03
  No, I certainly not. A phrase is very quiet over
• 33:08
  there. We'll talk about that yet.
• 33:12
  OK, oh, here's Benton. Here he comes, Benton said.
• 33:18
  He's well not had his haircut either, has he?
• 33:21
  No, no one's had their haircut. Do you know I I those are?
• 33:25
  Definitely not military style hairs.
• 33:27
  No, I'm definitely not. There is something to be said
• 33:29
  about not meeting your heroes, you know, because I really love
• 33:32
  Benson as a character. But every time I see him in
• 33:34
  Doctor Who, now I just think of that madman, John Levine.
• 33:39
  You could well for Joe. Doctors delighted to hear from
• 33:45
  Joe. It's lovely.
• 33:47
  Time. Were you a bit confusing when
• 33:48
  this didn't open up with a sequence in the Amazon?
• 33:50
  Yeah. Oh yes.
• 33:51
  Because that that sequence at the start of the Planet of the
• 33:54
  Spiders book is so well written and so absolutely feels like it
• 33:59
  belongs there with Joe and Cliff in the Amazon, with the, with
• 34:03
  the straight, with the natives and everything else.
• 34:07
  Yeah, it was really good. And that's Terence being
• 34:09
  brilliant. And just imagine if they'd
• 34:12
  brought Katie Manning back for a little cameo at the start.
• 34:15
  Trouble is, they'd have to film it in some British wood.
• 34:17
  It wouldn't look anything. Yeah, it wouldn't have been any
• 34:19
  good, no. But it is.
• 34:24
  That's two references there. So green, deaf, isn't it?
• 34:26
  There's helpless. Yeah, thanks.
• 34:28
  I can't say metabolius anymore, that's how.
• 34:30
  We pronounce it and they're obviously Clegg's got the boss.
• 34:35
  Oh yes, yes. And we've got the voice of Boss
• 34:38
  in the story, too. We need to talk about that.
• 34:41
  We will talk about him because there's a phenomenal scene that
• 34:43
  we need to talk about there, so. I know it's it's due to tragic
• 34:48
  circumstances that it wasn't a master story, yeah.
• 34:51
  But I think we got something very, very good.
• 34:54
  So interesting. Yeah, I think actually, I think
• 34:58
  Elizabeth Sladen and Richard Franklin have got a good bit of
• 35:00
  chemistry again on us. Yeah, which, yeah, it was
• 35:02
  unusual because they didn't share a lot of scenes in in
• 35:06
  Invasion of the Dinosaurs. But there is that one at the
• 35:09
  start where he's talking, where she says, oh, Nightingale's in
• 35:12
  Barkley Square and he says, oh, it could happen.
• 35:15
  And there's there's that little. She says.
• 35:17
  Doesn't she? Don't know.
• 35:18
  I like London how it is. Thank you.
• 35:20
  But there is a little little bit of spark between them.
• 35:25
  That's funny, now you know you've brought that up because
• 35:27
  obviously Sarah Jane's introduced in The Time Warrior.
• 35:33
  Yeah. Not as a unit, as a like,
• 35:37
  pretend to be around or whatever.
• 35:39
  Who's off has an adventure with the Doctor and directly from
• 35:42
  that adventure goes into Invasion of the Dinosaurs and
• 35:45
  then at which point you know she's swept up in the adventure
• 35:49
  there and Mike Yates turns out to be Orang and and off he goes.
• 35:52
  So when does this relationship between Mike Yates and Sarah
• 35:56
  Jane Smith? And lots of those off screen
• 35:58
  adventures that we never saw, Well, you know, they're in a
• 36:01
  paradise of death it. Is entirely possible because of
• 36:07
  sort of the start of this story that they have been in contact
• 36:12
  because it does feel like he's he's able to phone her up and
• 36:16
  and ask her to come down here. So maybe she has checked up on
• 36:19
  him and maybe she has has done that in the background.
• 36:22
  It is entirely possible because we know she goes home at the end
• 36:26
  of the day if she's on Earth, you know, so it could happen.
• 36:32
  Because otherwise you would just be like, pick up the phone.
• 36:34
  Oh, Mike who? Oh that golden age.
• 36:38
  Yeah. Oh God, no.
• 36:40
  Maybe she's been checking to make sure he's OK, because
• 36:43
  that's entirely in character for Sarah Jane Smith to do well.
• 36:47
  No, he's probably gone. I've got a great story for you.
• 36:49
  She's like, right? Well, that was what That's how
• 36:51
  he he called her, wasn't it so? But they do bring in my yes,
• 36:55
  don't they? To originally to be Joe Grant's.
• 36:58
  You know, a bit of fluff that was the idea, wasn't it, that
• 37:01
  they were going to have a bit of.
• 37:02
  And there's a talk about a date in Curse of Peloton and I know
• 37:05
  it never happened, but actually I could believe it with this
• 37:09
  pair. I can't believe it with Joe
• 37:10
  because. They've got a nice little
• 37:12
  biplame with each other. Well, she says in Is it Invasion
• 37:16
  Dolls where she goes? I'm going to talk to that nice
• 37:18
  Captain Yates dirty flirt, honestly.
• 37:23
  Look what's it all about? But you know Sarah in a way that
• 37:29
  Joe Grant never did. And I'd say even Liz Slayden
• 37:32
  never did. Three of the five stories this
• 37:34
  year, she's driving the plots. Time Warrior.
• 37:38
  She's investigating the Doctor, that invasion of dinosaurs.
• 37:40
  She's looking for those underground, that bunker, isn't
• 37:42
  she? And in this.
• 37:43
  And here. Yeah, And this drops immediately
• 37:48
  when Hinchcliffe comes in. Yeah.
• 37:51
  And it's a shame. It's a shame.
• 37:53
  It is because she she's independent.
• 37:56
  She hasn't had a scene with Jon Pertwee in this story till the
• 37:59
  middle of Till the middle of Part 2.
• 38:02
  Yeah, but this is the Sarah Jane of School reunion, and this is
• 38:06
  the Sarah Jane Sarah Jane Adventures.
• 38:08
  So the Aberration really is the Tom Baker.
• 38:11
  Three years of Hinch. Jane, which everybody
• 38:15
  celebrates, but she, you know, there's something does shift
• 38:18
  there, doesn't it? Oh, she's brilliant and their
• 38:20
  chemistry is brilliant, but she's a bit of a victim then
• 38:23
  from then on. It's just the only female
• 38:26
  character in half the stories, though.
• 38:28
  It's very true, yeah, but not in this.
• 38:30
  So we've got Jenny Laird in this.
• 38:34
  Yes, yes, we have. Fraser, my husband.
• 38:37
  Why? Why?
• 38:41
  Oh, don't do it, Claire. Don't do it.
• 38:43
  Oh. So, Doctor, have you're on a way
• 38:46
  on a cheap day trip to Mars. It even sounds like Joe, doesn't
• 38:51
  it? Oh dude.
• 38:56
  Well, if you're in Geneva, how about it, Mike?
• 38:59
  Oh, my lovely Sergeant Benson. I am pleased they didn't bring
• 39:03
  Joe and the Doctor back together again because it makes those
• 39:06
  scenes in with Matt Smith, Death of the Doctor so poignant.
• 39:14
  Oh, Tommy, we haven't even touched we.
• 39:15
  Haven't even touched. Well, there's a lot.
• 39:17
  There's a lot to unpick here, isn't it?
• 39:21
  Yeah, because some of it's a bit troubling, I think, and some of
• 39:23
  it's very touching. Would you but?
• 39:27
  I think the character like Tommy now.
• 39:31
  No, and I don't think you could get away with curing someone
• 39:37
  with a magical crystal from a space planet.
• 39:39
  That's very ablest. Yes, I think that's the issue
• 39:43
  with this story with regards to Tommy.
• 39:46
  I mean obviously he's he's got a new divergent of some
• 39:49
  description which we don't really know because that's not
• 39:55
  you know on the it's it's it's not understood enough in the in
• 39:58
  the 70s. First, no like.
• 40:01
  You know, as we would now would be able to say this is if if we
• 40:04
  did Tommy nowadays, you'd be able to say this is what, yeah,
• 40:07
  you know, Tommy's got what Tommy is.
• 40:11
  But yeah, it's it's the whole, yeah, just looking at this blue
• 40:13
  light, Tommy, and you'll be fine.
• 40:16
  What I do like about it is performers.
• 40:18
  I think he gets a very gentle winning performance, yes, which
• 40:22
  does sort of smooth over the more awkward side of.
• 40:26
  It. And I do like the fact that when
• 40:28
  he does become clever, he also is sort of aware of it and says,
• 40:37
  oh, I when someone says, oh Tommy, you're normal.
• 40:41
  And he says, I sincerely hope not.
• 40:43
  That's a. Good line.
• 40:45
  Which is is, is It's not it's not great, but it is better than
• 40:51
  than saying, Oh yeah, I'm I'm cured, I'm better.
• 40:55
  That's the sort of line you know, you feel the lot of fans
• 40:57
  write an essay is about. Oh, absolutely.
• 41:00
  Oh God, what's going on? Oh, Cyril.
• 41:04
  Oh God, the crystal is going crazy.
• 41:06
  The doctor's equipment is flying about the plane.
• 41:08
  Oh, where's that CSO is going mad?
• 41:11
  Where the hell is that wind coming from?
• 41:16
  These ambassadors of death G force Machine.
• 41:19
  He's possibly on the floor. Yeah.
• 41:20
  He's the return of the giant Hoover.
• 41:24
  Actually, you could laugh at that.
• 41:25
  I think that's very clever, the way they've tilted the camera
• 41:28
  and they're going up as if they're trying to climb up a
• 41:30
  building, You know, it's clever. Again, Barry Lex's direction
• 41:37
  isn't showy, but it is good. Yeah, well, I do.
• 41:41
  You know what I like about Barry Lex's direction is he really
• 41:44
  puts the actors front and centre and he gives them a chance to
• 41:47
  properly show the. Costs very, very well.
• 41:51
  But he gives them closer. That's scene in, I think it's
• 41:54
  episode 3 where Lupton's talking about his past.
• 41:57
  Yeah. Up to the camera, you know, And
• 42:00
  and angry and aggressive and a bit uncomfortable.
• 42:02
  Oh my. Gosh.
• 42:04
  Oh my God. It's.
• 42:06
  A. Spider.
• 42:08
  And it's a giant one. Can I ask you fellas, do you
• 42:11
  guys have an issue with spiders? No.
• 42:13
  Oh, yes. Oh, OK, I love spiders.
• 42:16
  So glad. We're all glad.
• 42:18
  Opinion there you might have my sister.
• 42:19
  Was the one in our family who had an issue with spiders, so
• 42:22
  that I used to wind her up. Yeah, you're welcome to have as
• 42:26
  many of my spiders as you want to.
• 42:28
  I Once Upon a time, this is not even a lie.
• 42:31
  I was sitting on my sofa in my flat that I owned, right?
• 42:35
  And a spider. I was.
• 42:36
  I didn't have a top on. A spider crawled over my
• 42:38
  shoulder and sat on my and we sat and watched the Doctor Who
• 42:41
  story together. He didn't move at all,
• 42:45
  especially big furry ones as well because I think they look
• 42:48
  really cute. Yeah, they're all the big ones
• 42:50
  that you can hold in your hand. Yeah.
• 42:53
  The only thing I don't like is that they can suddenly sort of
• 42:55
  twitch to life all of a sudden. That's the bit I don't like.
• 42:59
  It's it's the ones that are the quite big ones that suddenly you
• 43:04
  catch a glimpse of out of the corner of your eye that are
• 43:08
  crawling across your living room floor.
• 43:10
  And just sorry with really disturbing, Fraser, yeah.
• 43:16
  Well, so when, do you remember when Iraq was in the UK was
• 43:18
  broadcast, right? My, my pal Ali watched that and
• 43:21
  I was getting these texts basically just going, fuck this,
• 43:24
  I'm out like about 10 minutes in because she just kind of the bit
• 43:28
  of the spider under the bed. She was like, I'm never going to
• 43:30
  sleep again. So I sent her a picture of Sarah
• 43:32
  Jane with the spider on her back and she went, yeah, I'm never
• 43:35
  watching that. I mean it it it's, it's obvious
• 43:41
  to blow up. An insect, Yes, But this and
• 43:45
  this is the second season in a row where they've blown up an
• 43:48
  insect. And it works, and it grabs the
• 43:51
  imagination of the viewers. And nobody ever gets it.
• 43:56
  The thing that works so well about this cliffhanger is the
• 43:59
  incidental music leads straight into the sting of.
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  Yeah, Dudley's on good form. Yes.
• 44:05
  Well, what's he doing? He's doing like a rattle thing,
• 44:07
  isn't he? Like, yeah.
• 44:10
  That's a little sort of thing. There's like a sting for the
• 44:14
  side side spider that merges straight into the sting for the.
• 44:20
  Yeah, and I have to say, although we we talked all over
• 44:23
  it, I I really loved the sort of mysterious music he gives to all
• 44:27
  the scenes with Professor Clegg as well.
• 44:29
  I think that's really, really nice.
• 44:33
  Yeah, it's remarkably confident. Episode one, you know, with lots
• 44:38
  of character bits and like I said, lots of mysteries and I
• 44:41
  would like to out with a question to the pair of you.
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  I am shocked. OK.
• 44:46
  Which worked better? Spiders or maggots?
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  Oh, oh. It might be the maggots.
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  We're better In what respect? Well, I which?
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  CSO which do you? Prefer.
• 45:06
  There you go. In what respect?
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  Which had a more profound effect on you in scaring you.
• 45:15
  It's scary wise. It's spiders because spiders are
• 45:17
  scary. Maggots aren't.
• 45:18
  Maggots are just the maggots aren't scary.
• 45:21
  I've. Never had that ickiness of the
• 45:24
  spider of the maggots. I think it doesn't.
• 45:27
  And the trail of spot slime behind them.
• 45:30
  But there's not a there's not a fear factor with regards to
• 45:34
  spiders. You know you never get like
• 45:35
  maggot decorations at Halloween, do you?
• 45:38
  That's true. To be fair, like I've seen a few
• 45:41
  horror movies where you know, something's been unveiled and
• 45:44
  there's a corpse there, and there's maggots all red and
• 45:47
  blood as they're sucking away at the corpse.
• 45:50
  It's ick. It's not, you know, but markets
• 45:53
  up. Maggots are more icky.
• 45:55
  There's a primal fear in people about spiders, isn't there?
• 45:59
  And I think the genius is having them on the backs, having them
• 46:02
  leap on. People's backs.
• 46:05
  So good it was stolen by Russell T.
• 46:08
  And not done as well. No, no, sorry.
• 46:12
  The time beetle is one of the few missteps in turn.
• 46:16
  More of the only misstep I think in in turn left.
• 46:20
  Do you think they're realised well that the spiders in this?
• 46:23
  Yeah, I think it works. I like the fact that we've got
• 46:27
  spiders of different scales depending on what what they are
• 46:30
  and what they're asked to do. It's well thought out.
• 46:34
  You know what's really funny is you read Elizabeth Sladen's
• 46:37
  autobiography, and then you listen to John Pertwee talking
• 46:41
  on the special features of this, and they tell the same story,
• 46:44
  but from 2 very different points of view.
• 46:46
  So she's got arachnophobia and she.
• 46:49
  And so John Perry was like, right.
• 46:50
  So I took in a spider every single day and made it a bit
• 46:54
  bigger every single day of the rehearsals, because I knew she'd
• 46:57
  never get, you know, she'd never to do the, the, the shot on the
• 47:00
  day with the spiders as she's there in her book going bloody
• 47:04
  Jon Pertwee. I'm trying to do my rehearsal.
• 47:07
  He's coming up to me with these fucking spiders.
• 47:09
  She don't say fucking these bloody spiders.
• 47:12
  She goes, and you know, I would have been fine.
• 47:14
  I'm acting so, and I'm not exactly real.
• 47:17
  And she says once, and she says this on the commentaries.
• 47:20
  And once I'm in character, I can do that because it's not me.
• 47:25
  Yeah. And so you have to be brave and
• 47:27
  do it. And you can have a spider on
• 47:28
  your back. But John couldn't see that
• 47:30
  because John is John. She talks very affectionately
• 47:34
  about Jon Pertwee, but she also says that she knew her place and
• 47:39
  he basically not that he pushed her around, but his influence
• 47:43
  was on her performance, on her line readings on the show in
• 47:47
  general, like he was in charge. And I don't think Tom,
• 47:51
  particularly in the early days, was because he would defer to
• 47:55
  her because she had been there for longer.
• 47:57
  Oh, we've. All gone quiet.
• 48:02
  Well, there we go. That's the end of episode one.
• 48:05
  I'll cut it there. Boom.
• 48:08
  Hello, welcome. Over, I say.
• 48:11
  I'll cut it there. How dare you?
• 48:13
  And. Then you never do you.
• 48:16
  Never do.