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Debate of Atlantis: Graham Hancock, Palworld & Barbie Oscar Snub · Multiple Nerdgasm

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serious question how many pings have you
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eaten over the years welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things
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nerdy mine or other people's just in
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general just in general uh none okay I have a problem where I somehow manage to
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eat pings while I'm asleep so that sounds worse when without
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context you have many piercings around many piercings yes yeah you have four I
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used to but I've swallowed them and never I'm terrible at putting them back
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in right so you swallowed four I swallowed at least four I Rec think I swallowed my nose
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Sprint Jesus all right CU I went to sleep with it in I only got it pieced like what two
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weeks ago woke up and it's gone so you were feeling you to comfort yourself you
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were sucking your own nose and when you woke up the ring was gone so now I do
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have a ring in but yeah I don't know it just happens to me somehow I don't think
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because I did have a lip ring at one point which I'm sure you'll recall I got
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at pack Jenna likes to bring it up because I wind like a [ __ ] baby the whole
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time um but I never ate it yeah in my
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lip yeah no I I fiddle and
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then I'll just fiddle all the time with touching
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yes and so then I'll lose I'll lose an end of it and then I'll just not replace
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it and then it'll just work its way out and then I'll swallow it and sure yeah
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I'm shouldn't be trusted with things mhm but you can always recover them
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right after swall them no I just I just accept that they're gone okay you could
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but you don't I could I just choose not to that's fair that's if want next time
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I swallow one I'll let you try and recover it uh you'll have to maybe pop it in the
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freezer because it might be some time before I'm back down under wink
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wink but how many think I'd have to stall cuz it might not be the first
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how many you swallowing I don't know mate however many you
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lose oh should we mention there's no Dan uh people have probably noticed but
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yeah we should say Dan's uh bit under the weather this week so he's not here
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we're getting better fancy glass and everything yeah got a gimlet this this
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glass also came out of the freezer oh man so so I just have a
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little uh what do you call these uh what do you call these [ __ ] things
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jar Mason jar Mason jar
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um we have a a friend of the family who keeps all of his pint glasses in the
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freezer and yeah and then when he comes around you offer him a beer he's like
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annoyed that we don't do that it's like my freezer's full of food mate I only I
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have one martini glass that I keep in the freezer bad idea yeah yeah I guess I
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could do that could sacrifice some freeza space just for one just for
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you me and for uh for our friend no no no make him watch you drink from your
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we'll call him Cobra his nickname is Cobra we'll call him Cobra Cobra yeah no
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no make him you get your you get offer a be you give him his and then you get
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yours out of the freezer and just make him watch as you sick that would be very
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funny that would that would very much annoy
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him we were just at um there's like a i
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a lodge up the road from from here ver again and we are members of the of the
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uh mug Club there now which the be mug
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Club so I let Jenna and Jordan do the calculations but you pay a upfront fee
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and then you literally get your own mug like I have a mug there with a number on
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it that is mine a big a big Stein okay
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when you buy a beer and instead of a normal pint glass you it's the same
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price but you fill they fill your your mug up right so
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but there was some math involved in determining is this worth it with The
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Upfront Fen kind of stuff and we figure enough you gonna do it yeah we figure
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we're up here enough it's fine because it's if you were local it's definitely
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worth it but if you're up there once three months no unless you're an
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alcoholic well listeners and viewers of the show will will notice I've been here
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quite a bit recently so yes because it's nice to go up there in the winter that's
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right it's nice to come up here in summer it's just nice up here it's quite
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nice you been there what last three weeks I have yeah yeah fix my internet
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in theory looking a lot better yeah I'm not frozen oh yeah sorry about last week
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did you see the video last week [ __ ] atrocious I really hope it's not like
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that this week like it doesn't look like that to us but when I when I downloaded
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it to edit it was awful there were a couple times I saw you go a bit weird
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but you look absolutely fine this week you look as beautiful as ever oh thank
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you I am just a bit weird so that might be yeah I think we all are well we've
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been doing this for a decade but we were just at the lodge
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right and it also has like a little game room arcade with some okay like it's got cruising
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USA say and like a like a Pac-Man SL space invader SL you can choose a bunch
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of games probably name kind of thing yeah and some claw machines and it's
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it's got three claw machines and lra [ __ ] loves my daughter is obsess with
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them and so um we got there and got some drinks and stuff like that and then she
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goes off into just it's just the next room we kind of see what she's doing but
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then she comes back and she's got two keys
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right and I'm like what are those and she's like she's
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like keys keys for the for the machine and I I was like why do you have them I
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was like show me so I I'm like take me and so she takes me to like this one of
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the claw machines in the corner and she like points at it she goes it's the keys
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and I was like hang on give them to me and I so I like tried them I'm like
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these are the keys for the CLW machine why do you have them
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and then I said to her where did you get these and she goes um and I think at
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this point she thought she was in trouble so she goes oh from from the
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kids and I said the kids what kids and
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she was like uh oh I want
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mommy and I was like it's all right you're not in trouble but I was like I
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better take them to hey I've got the keys for the claw machine like yeah so I
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I took them up to the the bar and I said my daughter has these I don't know why I
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don't know where she got them from she's not a criminal as far as I'm
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aware uh and so I gave them to him and then even he was like we don't keep
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these there's a company that comes and like looks after the machines and he
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goes where did she get them from and I was like I don't know she won't tell me
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because she thinks she's going to get in trouble so yeah odds are they probably just left
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them in there yeah yeah it's possible I just
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yeah it's a mystery yeah so anyway we we handed them in and he um he said thanks
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and took half the toys that were in there I could have but you know it's not
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me no you took all if she had figured out how to actually open it I'm sure she
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would have yes so definitely she she wouldn't have be coming back with key
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she would have be coming back with my arms full of toys she does she tries to
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grab toys out of there when other kids are using the claw machine and I have to
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explain to it no no no that's not how that works it's worth a
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shot you have to put the money in and then you get the toy if you get one
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those kids aren't winning it for you no you would like this place because it has
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games and alcohol yes what more do you
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need exactly I could get my own jug mug thing yeah you could yeah if you want to
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drink beer I'm not sure it would be worth your while I don't think it would
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be i' go there once if you came here we
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would go there yes at least two or three times yes presumably but uh yeah I don't
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that's probably still not work out even with what I drink you could just share my mug
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probably just we'll just get him to put you know like a couple shots of vodka in
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there as well I do drink vodka no no no
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no but when we're sharing a mug oh yeah
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yeah drinking a gimlet a gimlet yes it's
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a funny name it is it's basically just gin and
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lime it sounds good it really is I'm drinking I think this is a Manhattan
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it's a premixed bullet thing are we allowed to talk about drinking booze on
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YouTube I don't actually know I wondered about that we
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not no no God no monetizer might be different I know
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you're not allowed to swear in the first minute well then where [ __ ] all right so
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we'll never be monetized no but that's fine we're not here for
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the money no no no no not at all um
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what's been going on this week um have you heard of a new game that's com out
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called po world I have heard of it um I I know this is what I know about it
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Pokémon with guns yes I play I played it for about 10
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minutes I went this game is not for me oh interesting do you like Pokemon I
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don't mind Pokemon but it's okay not just like straight Pokemon clone or
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anything that everyone's claiming it is it's a survival game
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well oh so you go in and you have to build your base and build your so you
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have to like hit trees to get wood and pick up rocks to build your workbenches
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to build the thing like it's also part Survival Game I think you might like it I was
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about to say I think I might like this all right yes but I played went it's not
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for me but people are just going insane
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about it what is this on it's on PC it's
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on Xbox it's it's on Xbox y it's on Xbox play I could play it on this this little
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guy people just going crazy for and everyone's going oh they're G to get
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sued and all this and I'm no they're not
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I saw didn't somebody from uh it's not it's not Nintendo it's game freak right
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make Pokemon didn't somebody from Game Freak say they're flattered or something
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yeah like it's not like okay Nintendo like the most pokemon most litigious company in the
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world yeah this game has not been worked on in secret this been open worked for
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years and it's still just releasing if they were going to get sued they would
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have already had that letter gone to them yeah how yeah it's just so weird everyone's
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just trying to everyone's loving it but then also saying you're gonna get in
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trouble and it does look a lot like Pokemon doesn't it there
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are yep the Pokemon company makes an official statement on power world we intend to
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investigate okay yeah they they've already investig but yeah some there was
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also another person who tried to come out and go oh they've ripped off the
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skins and stuff and like all that their meshes are the same and then they came
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out went no it's not true I just don't like the idea of capturing
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animals well they're not animals oh I guess I don't know what they are yeah H
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but but it's not it's not a Pokemon clone it's not because you have to punch
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trees you have to punch trees I you do
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have to cut trees in Pokemon so there are yeah I don't know
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you have to build your workbench I don't think so no no all
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right interesting there are similarities but I don't think it's G to get in
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trouble I might try this yeah you might
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like is it free yeah yeah
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huh it's free right oh it's on game they're they're selling it they've
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already like they've already sold like 5 million copies and it's still the game's
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not officially released yet right early accessa early access
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type of thing but no you you might like it I might like it let's have a look
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here I had a friend of mine say like Val valerant Val
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valerant valheim Valerie Valerie bit like that with the building and stuff I
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just built one thing one thing and went I'm done
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valheim yeah I don't know because I do sometimes want to play Minecraft again
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but I'm [ __ ] sick of Minecraft so and I sometimes want to
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play Pokemon but I'm sick of Pokemon this might be the thing for you this
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might be perfect all right I'm remotely connecting to my
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Xbox it's going to pop up in a moment wait is I'm going to give away anything
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by showing my Xbox home screen anyway I don't think so you might give away your
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gamertag Xbox what people know what that is it's the same as everything else [ __ ]
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it's brain fed same there you go there's my Xbox um and now you should be able to
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get power world game preview power world install all right it's installing there
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you go you'll be able to play all right I can turn
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mcraft back home in Rhode Island is now installing
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pwell yeah I actually when I was playing I've gone like you and even Dan I think
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might like it because it's and I saw one
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of the Pokemon had a chain gun in that picture we can't wait to see what this
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is like I never got to the point of battling things because I just got to
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the point of where you have to M to build stuff and I hate building stuff I
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hate love okay with mining stuff building stuff not for me we're telling
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someone about this the other day the best thing about playing uh Survival
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game with you Luke is that listeners when you play when we played Minecraft
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and when we played Conan Exiles mhm all Luke would do is collect
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resources and just put them in the communal chest because you can't be
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[ __ ] bothered doing anything else so we would come on in Minecraft we
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would come in and the chest would just be full of stuff and we could just build
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and Conan Exiles same deal Luke would be asleep Stark naked on the
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floor going and Exiles and the chest would be full of iron well what are you do
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nothing I don't know why I don't like building stuff lot effort but mining that's nice
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and
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relaxing you put a podcast on yeah yeah
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speaking of podcasts Dan's not here but
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there has been some followup to the JFK
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podcast uh maybe we should wait for him no it's
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garbage they they had this episode this week that was like [ __ ] bombshell
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testimony from some guy and I'm listening to it I'm like I've heard this
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before and new to them maybe I don't understand how they can have researched
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this and not heard this story before but also didn't they research a name who did
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it it's it's one of the one of the Secret Service agents who was there at
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the time L literally there and says he found a bullet and then took it put in
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his pocket and then took to the hospital and put it on the the gurnie with with
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um Kennedy and I've heard this before it's in I think it's ino's book this is
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not new information it's not new information but they like they say oh
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this bombshell it Cracks the Case wide open and I can't tell if they're stupid
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and they hadn't just had never bothered to read Vincent b o's book which is
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impossible like they can't did his podcast where they claim they know
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everything about the [ __ ] JFK assassination and not have read that book
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or is this a scam like you know what I mean like they pretend it's just drama
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fake fake drama you know what I mean I don't understand we G talk more
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about something like that this episode I
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can't tell if someone's serious or not well they get a lot of money that
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podcast has so many ads in it and not only that these follow-up episodes are
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like 15 minutes long but they still have exactly the same number of [ __ ]
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ads there's like five minutes of AD five minutes of podcast and then five minutes
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of [ __ ] ads again that sounds terrible it it's it is it's it's a
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stupid podcast but you can't stop you just can't no because I have to I have
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to know I have to know is there's something in here that's interesting there's not there's
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not no maybe we should do a JFK podcast we
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get that many ads in it maybe that would be a good way to make money
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I'll tell you what something else too this is a kind of a segue not really but
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it's it's kind of related in in a loose
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way I have gotten well into something this
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week and okay you know I was messaging you guys saying I've been listening to the rest
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is history podcast which is a very good podcast I recommend to everybody very
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good I went back I listened to all the more recent ones about the Nazis and so
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I went back in time on the on the feed and I found there there were two
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episodes on Atlantis okay which I love a good story about Atlantis right so I
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started listening to it is a story so I'm listening to this podcast
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and yes they they they it's all it's all very you know grounded and whatnot
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talking about things but towards the end they mention Graham Hancock who we've
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talked about on this show before MH and they mentioned that that he was going to
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do some debate on Joe Rogan and I was like oh that sounds interesting that
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sounds very interesting I would like to hear that I did so then I listened to
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that and I'd never heard I I knew who grahe Hancock was I've never watched his
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show never read his books never listened to him I just knew about him yeah but
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when I listened to this episode of brogen I was like oh he's [ __ ]
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compelling yeah he's very smart and he's very articulate
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and you can see why people maybe believe because he does this thing where it's
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almost like the the Achilles heel of skeptical people
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where we would be grounded by the fact in a way that he's not right so no
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matter what you say he'll say [ __ ] anything right and you can't keep up
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with him and so like he does this thing where and and he constantly says things
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like he talks about the pyramids at gizer and stuff like that and he's
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talking to this guy Michael shim who's like the um editor of skeptic skeptical
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inquir magazine he's a very smart guy very like knowledgeable right but he's
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grounded in facts right it's just how you know like us
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right and Hancock's like you know the Pyramids of Giza I mean obviously you've
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been there right and and shim's like no no I've never been and and then H's like
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oh interesting you've never been and
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it's like hang on that doesn't matter that's not a gotta thing yeah but he
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treats it like it is and and it and the way like it took me I'm like hang on a
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minute no no no he's but he he will 100% convince people by doing stuff like that
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and like when he talks about like uh these ancient sites where he says like
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oh I think this was X and then you say well there's no evidence that it was
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this and then and he'll say so do you have evidence that it wasn't yes the
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[ __ ] driveway for Atlantis and then you say well no and he goes oh
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interesting you don't have any evidence that's interesting yeah and it's like no
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no no that's not interesting it's the same sort of
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argument you have with like saign citizens um Flat Earth the they're not
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actually bringing any evidence or anything they're just
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questioning things yes and then going but we're true we're I'm right and and
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the problem with it and then so then after that I was like ah I get it he's
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very interesting like he is very interesting I like listening to him
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because it ties in it it Taps into something that with that
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like because I did want to believe all that stuff when I was younger and I mean
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I don't but to hear him talk about it I'm like I do want to hear more just in
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case you know what I mean so watch then
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I watched his Show on Netflix ancient apocalypse and I was and then I I
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literally found myself watching the episodes and going maybe maybe wait no
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no no no no wait I need to I need to cleanse my pallet and then I would go
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online and be like why is he wrong right okay okay he no he is wrong but then I
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watch the show and and then and he's like so
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convincing and it's as a work of fiction like not even fiction like
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pseudo Fiction it's [ __ ] fascinating like I
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I loved it I loved the show but you know it's entertainment there are yes people
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who are of less than average intelligence who for them not even not
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even not even right that like I don't think you even I think anybody could be
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convinced by this like he makes a very good case for it because he leaves out a
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bunch of [ __ ] yes and like there no a lot of people haven't heard heard of
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these places these sites that he goes to like um you know gockley and um the one
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in Indonesia uh gang gang pang I'm gonna
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pronounce the name wrong yeah but people aren't familiar with them because we're
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not taught about that stuff because it's it's not super relevant to like
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day-to-day life and so he can say whatever he wants and leave out whatever
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he wants and yeah like I said I get to the end of the episode and I'm like
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maybe and then I go online I'm like oh no okay no he's definitely
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wrong but like even I said to I texted you guys I was like he makes a good
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point in that so there are these sites that are built on top of these mountains
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and then he says oh there's um Chambers using ground penetrating radar they
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found these Chambers right but he he doesn't mention that these are volcanes
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these are extinct volcanoes he does just doesn't mention it right so the the the
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average audience doesn't get that piece of information which is very important
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right is very important because that's probably have you know volcanic Chambers
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in them yes um but then he says why don't archaeologists just look and I was
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like yeah why don't they because you'd have to destroy it's probably not
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anything but then I'm like can't we just check in case yeah but but if you go
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there you don't you have to destroy sort of there to go and check they're not
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going to do I watched there's there's a YouTube video about this archaeologist
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and he was like I promise you we would [ __ ] love to right but first of all
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nobody is gonna give us money to do that right who is g to pay for that nobody cares
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right also yes we would have to blow a hole in the side of this ancient
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Monument to potentially find nothing and we' Destroy we've destroyed this
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beautiful artifact of a prehistoric mankind to find oh yeah no it was a
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volcano like we thought yeah yeah
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so but yeah why don't they why don't they it would it would be nice just to
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check like I said he no no that's the that's the problem with it is right
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there's there all these little nuggets of stuff because the places he goes to
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are real right yes like and the links he
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formed between things are
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tenuous but it's like maybe you say stuff with enough confidence I mean
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maybe but like we'll never know and so so for listeners who don't know his his
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thing is he thinks that there was an advanced civilization when he says
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Advanced this is a thing that people get tripped up on all the time when he says
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Advanced he means like mentally Advanced right they didn't have like skyscrapers
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and airplanes and stuff like that they were just like smarter than we give
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people credit for you know 10,000 years
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ago and they were wiped out by some
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Comet strike some of them survived and and scattered around the
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world and taught our ancient prehistoric
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ancestors uh Agriculture and how to build cool [ __ ] like the pyramids and go
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Beckley Tey and all that kind of stuff but again the problem with that theory
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is like it's very interesting and it's not it's not impossible we can't prove
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that it's not true but the problem with it
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is there's no evidence of these people existing anywhere at all
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ever so and a comet sh from 10,000 years
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ago that's not that long and I mean that might that's again it's it's like
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unfalsifiable that's the problem with it it's like it's like believing in in you
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know God or or you know if I tell you uh you know prove that prove they weren't
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ever unicorns you can't can't no it's impossible it's
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yeah so well now unicorns are real
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that's right and so was Atlantis mhm it wasn't just some an allegory that played
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made up to teach Athenians stop to stop being [ __ ]
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no real story that he heard
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about don't to stucked in because I I do know this
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path no no no I I I'll be honest I'm I really liked the show it was really
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entertaining but I know it's not real but it it's just still it's very like
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it's fun you know yes it's fun but that you have to be careful with this
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doubling stuff like that
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maybe gateway drug yeah maybe we'll see
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if if you know six months from now I'm I'm talking about you know our ancient
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ancestors you know actually something interesting I learned too right because
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I was trying to figure out people accuse him of um there not him specifically there are
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accusations that the belief in Atlantis and all this kind of historical stuff is
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racist and I was like what is what is that about where that come from it's because
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historically the idea of Atlantis has
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always been about how these really smart white
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people went and taught a bunch of silly you know dark skinned people how to do
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cool [ __ ] and it was actually I I didn't
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know this quite quite popular with the
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Nazis oh and and and apparently himler was all about Atlantis and literally
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wanted to go look for it in the North Sea and and then it took Hitler who was
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Hitler was apparently like dude that's [ __ ] stupid like stop it yeah we'll
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tell people that because it helps us but like stop it right I didn't know about
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any of that stuff so anyway that's why people have accused Hancock like I I
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don't think he is racist or I think he's just a weirdo who likes this stuff oh
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yeah because the other thing he doesn't mention in the TV
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show is that he also thinks these people with psychic oh but he doesn't mention any of
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that because that's that's too much got a bit too far yeah yeah yeah you have to
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read his books to know about that stuff apparently yeah yeah okay yeah because
30:11
that's a big leap yeah anyway it's it's it's a
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fascinating and very deep rabbit hole that I've
30:23
got maybe it's pretty good like for entertainment it's it's good
30:28
like I give him credit he is a really
30:31
good Storyteller and he's a very good he's very knowledgeable and he's very
30:38
quick and and like I said in all the interviews I've seen where people try
30:42
and like question him he's he's very good yeah which is a problem because
30:48
afterwards you could sit down and go oh yeah that wasn't really quite right but
30:52
he yeah he's very aggressively knowledgeable yeah I mean
30:57
it's like someone ask a question he gets stumped he's always there like no what
31:01
about this exactly he's always got something else to say and like he'll
31:04
change the subject in a way where you you like don't quite
31:08
catch sort of bring that up look a bit silly because when they get like and
31:13
it's more but it's not responding because they don't know what to say it's
31:16
how do I respond to something that is so wrong like it's yeah well like I said he
31:21
does that thing he's like well you know obviously I've climbed the pyramids
31:24
three times how many times have you been to the pyr oh you haven't been to the pyramids
31:29
well why are we having this conversation
31:32
like yeah stuff like that
31:36
yeah all right anyway loved it all right I might watch thumbs up thumbs up on grahe
31:43
Hancock very entertaining no I wish him well I really wish him well and know
31:48
only for entertainment purposes it's not for no no because [ __ ] let him go at
31:54
it honestly like at some point
31:58
this is he's going to run out of [ __ ] so let him go
32:05
honestly if he wants to spend his money on this stuff fine well he's also making
32:10
money from it I'm sure he is yeah good point yes here has another documentary I haven't
32:16
watched yet there's one about I think one about gockley Tey in particular that
32:21
I haven't watched yet next I am going to keep following out
32:26
hole okay so what else has been happening this
32:33
week H the Mac turned 40
32:44
which and I I was like oh wait a minute the 1984
32:49
ad yeah that is right it doesn't it's I don't know for
32:56
some reason my head is older
33:02
I cursed his I cursed his I dropped out am I back yes you're back now yeah but it feels
33:09
older because I had one when I was a kid and I know I'm old
33:17
now no internet has dropped out a little bit son of a
33:24
[ __ ] am I back you're back again why is this happening I'm sorry listeners let
33:30
me try turn that off wonder if it's a
33:34
Bluetooth I tried turning it on and off again W that's G to cause even more
33:39
problems if I do that all right I can Vamp for a bit go
33:46
on I can't I really can't I
33:53
play it's hard when I'm dropping out and Dan's not here because it's like it's
33:57
all the presses on you I know and I I don't know like do I keep talking or is
34:02
it going to still pick up what you're saying apparently not if you watched
34:07
last week's it was [ __ ] atrocious so second you pause I keep going I can do
34:12
this that's right that's right yeah the Mac is 40 uh I couldn't believe it
34:17
because I was like it can't I can't be that old but then I did the math and I
34:21
remember you know the Ridley Scott 1984 TV commercial for when they were going
34:26
to release the Macintosh I don't know for me for some reason the
34:30
Mac is old older than me but it's not
34:35
okay I mean it's not but two is older than you probably oh that's right that's
34:41
why I'm getting confused the Macintosh in particular
34:46
when did the apple two out turn my keyboard off just in apple
34:51
two came out in 1977 so it's older than
34:56
us okay is making more sense in my head now yeah did you ever have a
35:01
Mac like like at school we had them I
35:07
never owned one myself no I
35:09
did really Apple Macintosh LC 575 what
35:15
did you do on it I played Star Wars X-Wing on it oh oh okay so it was it was
35:20
later did you play Johnny Quest yes yeah but it was quite interesting
35:27
playing um x-ing on it cuz you play with arrow
35:32
keys oh God something quite unique on a Macintosh at that that stage with arrow
35:38
keys arrow keys are in a straight line yes so that was interesting yeah I bet
35:45
you couldn't use the Mouse um I was probably the way I had it
35:49
set up but the mouse wouldn't work for flying I had to fire off that so I had
35:54
to fly using the keys and move to the m to shoot oh okay that's probably way I
36:01
set up because I was quite young I used to use the keyboard to play Doom back
36:05
when I was a kid which I know now seems like a crazy thing to do but uh it was
36:11
only like fake 3D so I think it worked better well I still remember playing
36:16
quake in high school a music like computer labs and we play with mouse and
36:21
people would come in and play with us and they would still use keys keys and
36:25
they would destroyed yeah you could just stand up there above them and
36:33
not yeah no but yeah the max 40 you know
36:37
Steve Jobs obviously uh gone now but
36:42
uh I guess he'd be proud and there was a story that came out this week about him
36:47
that made me laugh where this photographer was paid a lot of money and
36:52
flown out to take photos of him in a helicopter in uh in Sweden I think
36:58
and then when they were in the helicopter the photographer got his
37:02
camera ready to go and Steve said oh I don't think I want any photos taken of
37:06
me today and the guy said okay uh I've been paid to come in
37:12
and Steve was like yeah I don't care I I don't think I want any photos and then
37:17
the guy's like all right waited a bit and then he got his camera again Steve
37:20
said I don't want any [ __ ] photos taken not feeling it
37:26
today gu was like I'm getting paid anyway yeah
37:32
whatever he was a Steve was a bit like that he just did not
37:37
care no no definitely not I I don't think I would like Steve
37:44
Jobs I think if Steve Jobs liked you he'd be
37:49
great but if you annoyed him he would be a [ __ ] nightmare well I still just
37:54
remember the story of the first iPod M he's got like smaller and they've G this
38:00
is as small as we can get it so he picked up the iPod dropped it in fish
38:03
tank and went see those bubbles you can make it
38:09
smaller oh God I don't know if that's true it's a story I've heard but yeah I
38:14
don't I don't know if I worked with him no no no no sorry I would never want to
38:20
work for him yeah with him depending but not for
38:24
him well even with him at the time you hear the stories of when he worked at
38:28
Atari and basically you're on the night shift because you don't wash yeah
38:35
yeah and he put his feet in the toilet to relax
38:40
that's I know that from you telling me I don't know how true that is I'm pretty
38:44
sure it's true it could well be all right we got to find out we'll fact
38:49
check it right now Steve Jobs toilet feet yeah I mean he was a nut I always
38:56
remember the um when the iPhone 4 came out and it had the um the metal band
39:01
around the outside and you could block the antenna by if you were holding it
39:07
upor like this with you kind of cupping the whole thing it would you'd lose all your
39:12
reception and at first he he released a statement he was like [ __ ] you you're
39:18
holding it wrong and and then it was would then forced to release the like
39:24
bumper case for it to stop people from doing that and he hated that that had to
39:30
happen had to happen right I can't confirm it but the late Steve Jobs would
39:35
B his feet in toilet water of the Apple restrooms to distress according to his
39:40
authorized biography by Walter isacon okay that's funny though I've
39:46
read that book I don't remember that detail there's a lot of things I'm read
39:51
saying that yes this is true okay fine fine did it have to be toilet water did
39:57
Walter isacson ask I bet he
40:00
didn't he put his feet in the toilet
40:05
okay why the toilet though why did he wash and like why
40:10
isn't Walter isacson asking him these questions all right okay
40:14
Steve could it have not been you know like a foot Spar yeah just a foot Spar
40:20
something purpose built a bucket not a [ __ ]
40:25
toilet why she treating toilet some sometimes to relieve stress yeah reading
40:29
a lot of stuff that says yes to relieve stress yep do you know what wouldn't
40:33
relieve stress for me putting noticing that my feet were in the [ __ ]
40:40
toilet that would actually raise my
40:44
stress become very stressed under those
40:52
circumstances I guess that's why I didn't invent the iPod yes H it's why
40:58
you didn't bring a company back from bankruptcy that's true I mean he did do
41:04
that say say what you want about him he has done stuff yeah did do stuff he's
41:09
not likely to do anymore but no well unless we do I summon two and then he
41:15
might make our podcast successful
41:19
yes but no he's a it happens with a lot of people like that they they may not be
41:25
very nice but they're very good at what they Doo yeah yeah yeah he was he was a he was an
41:32
ass yes putting it
41:36
nicely the story about him um buying a new car every whatever six months like a
41:43
new Mercedes CN put the plates plate on or yeah yeah there's a grace period
41:49
where you didn't have to put the plates on so own that amount of money where
41:54
just don't want a number PL buying a new car like I don't even care about the
41:59
license ples but it would be nice to have enough money that I could be like
42:02
well now I care
42:07
yeah have you seen this so Microsoft is after buying everyone Under the Sun is
42:13
now firing everyone I did see this that's it's a lot of people they've laid
42:19
off yeah almost almost 2,000 people right it's a lot yeah
42:26
and so sort of seems a bit weird well I can also understand it but also seems
42:31
weird to me at the same time because they brought all these Studios because
42:35
they're ramping up and look what we're going to do but then when you buy a lot
42:39
of these Studios you're going to have a lot of people where you're doubling up on
42:43
staff yeah so do we know from where are these people I
42:49
haven't been able to work that out for me in my head it would be a lot of not
42:54
sort of like deps or anything it' be more sort of H type work and stuff like
42:59
that because oh
43:03
okay' already got so you we have a HR department so we don't need you anymore
43:09
yeah okay okay all right that that's in my head though I don't no but I'm not
43:14
saying I'm not saying you know that's great and [ __ ] those people but that
43:18
does make some sense compared yeah it's sort of what happens like you got your
43:21
heads and you like HR well you can B it all and then you've got
43:27
but there's not 2,000 people are in HR like that's it's not 10% of your
43:32
companies not HR did you just this I put this article in the other week um this
43:38
is like sort of a segue but we never I don't think we ever talked about this um
43:44
we' talked about Unity you know the Game Dev the game engine company yes that
43:48
caus elect Dr a little while ago tried to screw everyone over by
43:52
charging so in 2021 they purchased weter
43:57
digital right the the Peter Jackson special effects company that made lot of
44:02
the Rings and everything like that but when they did it right at the time they
44:07
split the company into weter digital and then uh some other company [Music]
44:14
called uh wther effects right so they
44:17
gave they they they gave sold to
44:21
Unity W digital which was all the um
44:25
kind of uh the the the VFX tools and
44:29
okay you know Tech stuff but they kept a bunch of other stuff as part of the
44:36
sweater effects company right Unity
44:38
bought it didn't do anything with it and
44:43
then um fired them all which meant because of the Clauses in the
44:50
contract Peter Jackson just hired them
44:52
all back them back and so like basically
44:58
I'm trying to what's the figure here basically Peter Jackson made this is the
45:04
[ __ ] figure here it's like billions of dollars $
45:09
1.625 billion Unity paid Peter Jackson 1.625 billion for this company to do
45:15
nothing and nothing changed for him then fired them all and then he hired them
45:22
back so he's got what what the [ __ ] one and a half billion
45:27
for nothing for nothing he literally got a free $ 1.625 billion maybe that's why
45:33
they're trying to make charge everyone like to pay pay money because I was
45:37
trying to make that money back because if you're just going to waste money like
45:40
that like what the
45:42
[ __ ] that's so bizarre anyway I just the
45:47
Microsoft thing reminded me of that like good for
45:52
Peter why can't someone pay us $1.5 billion or something
45:57
we'd have to do something of value Luke not not whatever this
46:03
is maybe grah Hancock will pay us money grahe if you're listening I love you
46:09
y I know you're on Joe Rogan a lot but if you ever want to come on this podcast
46:14
as well you're welcome here we'd love to have you I promise not to ask any you
46:20
know good questions no he wants you to ask good
46:24
questions he would destroy me exactly and that makes him
46:29
better yeah he doesn't want someone who agrees with him if you get someone who
46:33
agrees with him that's not good entertainment he's gonna try and
46:38
question him because he's just gonna go what about this what about this what
46:41
about this and I'll go I haven't heard of that oh haven't you heard of that
46:45
interesting so why are you talking to me about this
46:49
then anyway I do feel bad for these people losing their jobs and this is
46:53
also why I never work in the gaming industry
46:58
I mean this any right I mean probably not to
47:02
you um a lot in the gaming industry no been you you you in particular have a
47:09
job that's quite fine but yeah yeah the gaming industry is very tough yeah yeah
47:16
because I did have an option to I nearly
47:18
did work for um 2K Australia oh really
47:23
because I were based like near where I am oh right no no no you're right down
47:29
there yeah yeah okay and I was looking at it and then I didn't and I'm happy I
47:33
did because like a year later is when they went there's no more 2K Australia
47:37
yeah yeah it's very Cutthroat it's like the film industry almost where they you
47:42
you're almost hired for a project and then at the end of the project or maybe
47:48
even in the middle of the project you might just be out of work yeah well you
47:53
look at Team Bondi like yeah they made Noir a great game it came out and then
47:59
they went we don't need te bond
48:03
anymore yeah yeah well um somebody I
48:07
used to work with here uh I'm be careful what I
48:13
say did recruiting for game development companies and they had high
48:20
turnover and they would basically hire for projects yeah and then at the end of
48:26
the project it was kind of up in the air whether you
48:29
were going to be able to continue on or you know yeah well it is the whole
48:35
industry is like you're working on a game then you get close to release you
48:39
ramp up and then release the game and then you got fix some stuff but then
48:43
that's it that game's out and then you're starting again from scratch and
48:47
yeah because in theory that team is done now yes like yeah and that's what that's
48:53
why I don't think I could do it because you've always going to have your resume
48:55
up to date and always be ready for what's next they're not all like that
49:00
that like to be fair it just is quite common to be like that yeah and this
49:06
this last couple years it has been quite bad has been lay off sort of everywhere
49:10
yeah yeah I'll just play the other thing I heard that was kind of crazy is the
49:17
they tie bonuses to Metacritic have you heard about this yes that's [ __ ] wild
49:24
I think that's um C Project R B big on that I think that's [ __ ] insane
49:30
because it's like Google reviews you can't trust these people for me it
49:35
should just be directly related to sales
49:40
likeable or not even not even just like like milestones in like like development
49:46
milestones or or whatever you know thinkig what the bonuses were seure
49:50
Project Read but I think a lot of people went like yeah we did all this and I
49:54
brought a house like I'm now yeah right
49:58
okay well okay maybe it's worth it then but they will yeah look I'm not
50:04
doing it I'm not doing it either I mean not that I've been offering a job with a
50:09
game development company but both probably could go get a job at
50:14
one of them probably yeah yeah but then it's like you know it's turning your
50:21
hobby into a yeah a job I don't think yeah if I was going to make a game
50:27
I want to make different my game not someone else's game that's very
50:31
different to making a game to working in the industry I think like because yeah
50:35
you're making something that's yours yeah compared to he go and make this
50:41
part of this game yeah and luckily I'm too lazy to do that so
50:47
yes as am I lazy SL busy we'll call it busy I'm too busy watching grah
50:54
Hancock I I I'm I'm just I'm lazy I'm
50:58
honest I play games I watch stuff did I mention not about graah Hancock but
51:04
about when I was listening to the the actual historical stuff on the rest is
51:08
history y I was surprised by how many
51:14
things were in Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis the video
51:18
game I thought they made a lot of that up for the game but it is actually a lot
51:25
of it is based on like not historical
51:29
fact but yeah yeah exactly it's made up it's based on the the the Plato's story
51:36
that he told and the follow-ups from it it's quite quite interesting including
51:41
the fact that the Nazis were interested in it right which is obviously a big
51:44
part of the Indiana Jones thing yeah right that's true I didn't realize that
51:50
they actually were interested in it so even fact they were going to go there
51:55
if they won the war Yeah well yeah they were too busy at the
52:00
time and Hitler was like I'm not not bothering with this [ __ ] but had they W
52:04
the moment but had they won he might have just let him go at it go do what
52:10
you got to do he was into all that stuff
52:13
you like all that weird like C he was the maybe I shouldn't say this he was
52:20
the Graham Hancock of the 1940s okay we're definitely not getting
52:25
grah Han
52:30
you just that's gone not fine he knows I'm joking he knows I'm
52:37
joking I'm sure he's got a sense of humor doesn't have a sense of
52:42
humor we can stick with story around that time or sort of Oppenheimer is now
52:47
to sweep all the awards yeah probably uh I think it will
52:53
I don't think it deserves them really I know I know that
52:59
I'm I I out of the three of us enjoyed it the most for whatever reason I not
53:05
say I enjoyed it no no no no I know I know but I was I was kind of gushing
53:10
about it and you guys were kind of like yeah it was fine but also I knew it's
53:14
going to win it's definitely an Oscar movie and it's going to win lots but
53:18
yeah I don't like Oscar movies in generally did you watch parasite did you
53:23
ever watch that oh God it's very good I remember Donald Trump being upset about
53:29
it all the more reason to watch it I think he was upset about it because it
53:34
was a foreign film that one best movie it's like they've already got their own
53:39
award so why don't you go winning a Korean award [ __ ] off it's a great movie
53:46
really good movie anyway Oppenheimer also really good movie up for 13 Academy
53:50
Awards that's quite a
53:53
lot quite a lot I will be
53:59
oh I want lud gson to win best picture because I don't know that they're gonna
54:04
let me vote in any official capacity but I will be supporting
54:09
him I don't even know like who else is up for like best
54:13
movie SN Barbie how Barbie did not get nominated okay so this has been a big
54:19
news story this week that Barbie sorry particularly Greta Gerwig did not get
54:24
nominated for best director for Barbie and I am like
54:29
I why would she be I don't understand I
54:34
don't understand I know that I'm like I'm like inverse to you guys on this
54:38
whereas you guys were like bobbie's great oppenheim is
54:42
fine Barbie was just forgettable I don't
54:47
understand why people if I have a choice to watch any of this movies again I'm
54:51
going Barbie I will never ever watch Barbie again I just it was just it was a
54:56
nothing it I laughed it was fine Ryan goling was funny in it like it was who
55:02
understand someone who's going to vote for Oscar movies now I'm I absolutely
55:07
will be voting for the things they'll let me vote for I'll V vote let a little
55:13
bit I get a little bit I get a little bit of a say and opheim is gonna be
55:17
winning but but but like I just don't
55:24
understand see I think the thing I keep forgetting is the Oscars are not
55:29
for the people who watch movies the Oscars are for people I mean
55:35
it's for some people who watch movies just not not the general
55:39
public oh yeah okay that that yeah okay that's true yeah that's true that's why
55:45
they're trying to Rice it up now like the the audience pick and stuff like
55:49
that because people are starting to get a point what that the Oscars aren't a
55:53
bigger thing for the general audience I don't feel because
55:56
the movies that are winning are all good are not the movies that The General
56:00
audience really so much enjoy
56:04
sure but
56:10
like was bobie that good like do you like honestly good this is honest
56:15
question I'm not being stupid I'm not being factious right do you really think
56:19
if if it was up for like movie of the year and there was only two choices and
56:25
it was Barbie and you would say Barbie is the movie of the
56:29
year for me yes over those two movies but it deserves to be nominated at the very
56:35
least if you look at the biggest movies of last
56:41
year biggest in what sense excite excitement people looking forward to
56:46
seeing it people enjoying it people talking about it yeah making money like
56:51
meet a lot sure but that I mean that's not what these are but but yeah yeah
56:55
yeah yeah oh yeah I get you like by that token by that token Marvel's some of
57:00
Marvel's stuff should have been movie of the year right like endgame and infinity
57:05
War like but you gotta look at away but they're not gonna win movie of the year
57:12
but it's it's yeah but that's the thing like it's like Ant-Man no people spoke about
57:19
it but people no no no no no no I'm saying that's fine I'm saying stuff like
57:24
stuff like when when when when end game came out right everybody [ __ ] was
57:30
talking about it everybody loved it it was amazing it was fantastic it's not
57:33
going to win an Academy Award for best picture though I know because it's not
57:37
about the enjoying the movie
57:41
yeah yeah okay I think maybe I'm just too like
57:48
I've been into this stuff for too long but
57:51
like I get what you mean yeah yeah okay like it's it's yeah as I said so the
57:57
people who make the movies that's what these awards for yeah you're right
58:01
you're right that's why I saying when people were like oh why isn't Barbie
58:04
nominated I'm like why would it be but then I get what you're
58:09
saying like like it made buddy people loved it people went and saw it people
58:15
were talking about it like it's yeah yeah why wouldn't it be
58:21
nominated because because
58:27
it was just a like a fine funny movie like it's not Oscar bait there's a
58:32
particular type of movie that we why wasn't the Wedding Singer up for best
58:37
picture because it's like it I don't know I put them in the same category
58:43
like it's just a funny movie it's why comedies don't
58:48
win yeah yeah if it's funny not F Oscars how
58:54
many practical atomic expion are in Barbie I still say that explosion was
59:00
pretty crap it could have done with some added effects really I was disappointed
59:06
by it I really was okay they spoke about like it's all practical effects got to
59:12
be made I went
59:17
no yeah I think they made too much of a fuss about it they didn't say it's all
59:20
practical effects and it's going to be amazing they just said it's it was
59:23
filmed practically yeah and then refused to explain how which annoyed me at the
59:29
time because I was like what does that mean and it turns out did you drop it at atomic
59:33
bomb yeah obviously they didn't and then when I saw it I was like fine yeah it's
59:39
good I didn't notice it could have been digital it could have been not digital it's quite
59:46
it's an achievement I guess to have not done it digitally yeah but also have it
59:52
be the same as it as if it was that
59:57
but it's like yeah I don't know what the point of it could have
1:00:01
just yeah yeah didn't blow me away wink
1:00:07
wink tell you who it did blow away the Oscars the people who vote for the
1:00:12
Oscars I was gonna say the Japanese but
1:00:18
twice yeah
1:00:23
um yeah they're playing that in cuz I I believe theyig weren't gonna play it
1:00:27
there and then they saw and went hold on this isn't glorifying well yeah they
1:00:32
just understandably wanted to make sure it didn't you
1:00:37
know yeah I mean it doesn't talk about the Japanese at all to be honest other
1:00:43
than to say we Dropped a Bomb of them and felt
1:00:47
bad about it yes so yeah yeah yeah but I can understand why they were wanting to
1:00:53
make sure because oh yeah definitely it's an American movie and America's
1:00:58
quite often yay America yeah yes and
1:01:02
they might have made Japan look bad
1:01:06
yes I mean they were bad in World War II but you know you know what I mean yeah
1:01:12
but no that I think they did it quite well they don't want to talk about that
1:01:16
they're got to win they're got to win an Oscar for it
1:01:20
yes what's It Up Japan is going to win
1:01:22
an Academy Award for best actor supporting
1:01:28
actor in World War
1:01:32
II the best actor was the bomb best
1:01:36
actor was nakasaki oh my God the
1:01:42
hell you know where hell is it's in the
1:01:47
yeah the Afterparty I'm not gonna make you buy any web pages for
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this I'm just gonna say pages any make any links or anything I'm just gonna say
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go to patreon.com multipl nasm that's all I'm saying go to there or you can go to you
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can go to multip nerd gm.com and there's links the Afterparty is a thing that
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happens over on patreon where if you go to patreon you
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can subscribe for free and then you get the show the audio and the video version
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of the show when it comes out on uh Thursdays here Fridays in Australia
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right thought Thursdays here where where day in front of you oh oh you're right
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you're right right actually it's probably Wednesday there then right it's
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Thursday here Wednesday Australia maybe it's still Thursday just earlier in the
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day I think it's early Thursday yeah right I I schedule it I
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schedule it for 3 P.M eastern time because that's where I live and for some
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reason that's just how I've done it for almost 10 years now since I've been here
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I've been here a long time Luke I've been here a long time now you have been
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there a long time we get at 7 o' in the morning on Thursday okay that's why I do
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it because then so Thursday for everybody fine yeah at some point I did the math on that
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um and then okay okay so if you subscribe for free you get it you get it
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then if you pay a dollar or more you get
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it a day early right plus you get some extra stuff when we put up some kind of
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like random behind the scenes or commentary or whatever you'll get that
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if you want more than that if that's not enough for $5 a month you can get the
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Afterparty where we will keep talking for 10 15 minutes at least potentially
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30 40 minutes who [ __ ] knows I'm actually amazed this hour has gone very
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quickly it has I've got to talk about something uh some homework that Dan gave
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me I need to talk about that in the Afterparty so anyway if that interests
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you go to patreon.com mpasm sign up we'd love to have you um and and then get a
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hug you can pay five bucks you get all the previous After parties and then you
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can cancel if you want you know five bucks you get all the previous ones and
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then that can be it or you can you can join up once a year pay to five bucks
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downn more and then you shouldn't do that do that but you can you
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can yeah Graham Graham grah Hancock five
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bucks mate sign up yep we'd love to have you in the after
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party we're g to make people pay to listen to our interview with grae
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Hancock feel like we should that would
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we would make even if like a small percentage of people paid there would be
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more money than we've ever seen in our lives I'm sure yeah yeah all right let's
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get him on let's get him on he's not in this week's after party I don't want to
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like ading no no no we'll reach out to his people yep and we'll see what
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happens that's all for this week thank you for listening and we hope you enjoyed the
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