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Woman fights for her life, brutal attack recorded by FITBIT! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace today how you fitness tracker technologies
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Speaker 1: helping police catch criminals. Kelly Heron was viciously attacked while
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Speaker 1: running last year in Seattle. Luckily she survived. Her story
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Speaker 1: spread around the world when she posted this map from
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Speaker 1: her cheapest fitness tracker that shows the intensity of her
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Speaker 1: struggle during the attack. And we look what happened here right.
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Speaker 1: We took eight minutes, by the way, because she was struggling.
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Speaker 1: She runs in here to go to the bathroom. This
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Speaker 1: is the struggle for eight minutes that could have cost
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Speaker 1: her her life. You are hearing our friend doctor Oz
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Speaker 1: talking about my new hero, Kelly Herron, a marathon runner
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Speaker 1: who was attacked in a bathroom, a lady's bathroom as
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Speaker 1: she is practicing, as she is training for her marathon
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Speaker 1: and her fitness triker Man. You should see it. Oz
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Speaker 1: put it up on a screen. You can see that
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Speaker 1: screen at crime online dot com and you see her
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Speaker 1: fitness triker. It's like somebody took a magic marker and
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Speaker 1: just like a little kid and just scribbled violently all
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Speaker 1: over the page. That's Kelly fighting for her life and
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Speaker 1: Thanks to Doctor Oz, I got to meet the runner
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Speaker 1: who fought back and lived to tell the tale. Kelly Herron,
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Speaker 1: who is with me right now. I mean, see Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer advocate. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Karen Stark, renowned to
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Speaker 1: New York psychologists, joining me from Manhattan. She's at Karen
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Speaker 1: Stark dot com. And with me my new hero, Kelly Harron. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: it was such a great privilege to get to meet
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Speaker 1: you at Doctor Oz and I was just riveted on
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Speaker 1: every single thing you said. You know, I've covered Kelly
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Speaker 1: so many cases. In fact, in my new book, I
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Speaker 1: am writing an entire chapter about women exercising and how
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Speaker 1: to be safe and researching for that has really brought
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Speaker 1: back so many cases I've covered that I prosecuted as
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Speaker 1: a prosecutor of women out minding their own business exercising
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Speaker 1: when they are attacked and murdered. Names that we can
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Speaker 1: all remember, like Molly Tibbitts, Karina Vitrano, There's so many.
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Speaker 1: It just goes on and on and on. Kelly Heron
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Speaker 1: somehow managed not to become a statistic and I gotta
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Speaker 1: excuse me, Kelly, I'm kind of cherry choking up here
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Speaker 1: because sitting beside you on Oz's couch and looking at you,
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Speaker 1: listening to you tell your story, the thought that you
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Speaker 1: almost lost your life that day is very upsetting to me.
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Speaker 1: And I want you to start at the beginning and
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Speaker 1: tell everyone what happened and how you managed to be
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Speaker 1: with me today. Thank you so much, Nancy. I was
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Speaker 1: training for my first marathon in March of twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: I was running along a public park in Seattle. It
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Speaker 1: was the middle of the afternoon on a Sunday. Not
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Speaker 1: a lot of people at the park. I was about
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Speaker 1: four and a half miles in stopped to use the restroom.
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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to me, there was a transient Level three sex
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Speaker 1: defender hiding in a stall. Karen Stark, New York psychologist,
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Speaker 1: that is a recurring dream I have. I have a dream,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's from all the years
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted cases of joggers women being attacked, or cases
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Speaker 1: that I prosecuted that occurred in bathrooms. But this dream,
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Speaker 1: I go into a bathroom and I opened up a
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Speaker 1: stall and there's a dead body in there. It's a
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Speaker 1: horrible dream, horrible and I have it over and over
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Speaker 1: and over. That's exactly what happened to Kelly. She goes
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Speaker 1: in and in one of the other stalls is a
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Speaker 1: sex offender just waiting, probably you know, with his feet
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Speaker 1: up on the commode in the next stall, so she
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Speaker 1: can't see feet in their Karen, you know none of
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Speaker 1: the surprises me. Nancy. You were a runner. I was
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Speaker 1: a runner, and I don't know if you're still running,
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Speaker 1: but there have been times in Central Park where I
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Speaker 1: would stop to go to the bathroom. And what a
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Speaker 1: story to everybody's worst fear. And I think of you
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Speaker 1: and the fact that you actually had a fiance who
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Speaker 1: is murdered in the phone booth in a type space
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Speaker 1: like that, Your recurring dream makes perfect sense to me.
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Speaker 1: But Kelly, how terrific that you were able to be
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Speaker 1: smart enough and a learn enough to fight back that
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Speaker 1: you took that course. And women need to know about this.
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Speaker 1: It's so important, you know. That reminds me. When I
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Speaker 1: finished her story, Karen, I want to double back with
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Speaker 1: you about post traumatic stress disorder and how that affects people. Hey, Kelly,
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Speaker 1: you said something on Doctor Oz it really stuck in
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Speaker 1: my mind. When you went in there, did you get
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Speaker 1: a sixth sense of foreboding? I did not. However, when
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Speaker 1: I was drying my hands, which is when he crept
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Speaker 1: out of the stall behind me, I got a chill
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Speaker 1: right up my spine at the back of my neck.
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Speaker 1: Was that before you saw him? Before you saw him?
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Speaker 1: It was okay? Back to you, Karen Stark, and then
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Speaker 1: I'll follow it with Ashley. Karen, I have said a
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Speaker 1: million times and a right about it as well in
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Speaker 1: this new book, don't be a victim fighting back against
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Speaker 1: America's crime wave that don't ignore these hunches, these feelings.
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Speaker 1: They're not hunches. They're not people mock women's intuition. That's bs.
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Speaker 1: It's real, and it is born of thousands of years
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Speaker 1: of evolution of things that you see, that you hear,
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Speaker 1: that you smell something. You know. We have our senses,
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Speaker 1: but there's also a sense that's now being studied, and
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Speaker 1: it's the sense within you inside your body physically, a
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Speaker 1: sense within your body where your body's processing a quote, feeling,
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Speaker 1: or a hunch. So Karen Stark, before she sees this guy,
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Speaker 1: she gets a feeling and a chill literally went up
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Speaker 1: her spine. Nancy, It's so true, and I must tell
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Speaker 1: you very quickly about an incident that happened to me,
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Speaker 1: a very similar type of situation where I was doing
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Speaker 1: the very thing you're not supposed to do, carrying a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of groceries, walking down a dark alley to
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Speaker 1: my apartment, and all of a sudden of my spying,
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Speaker 1: I got very frightened. I felt like something must be there.
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Speaker 1: I just had a sense of something, and I turned
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Speaker 1: around and saw a man following me, and I had
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Speaker 1: no idea if he was just somebody you strolling down there,
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Speaker 1: but I said, as she got closer to me, stay
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Speaker 1: away from me. I started screaming, just like Kelly's talking about,
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Speaker 1: and he had his hand in his pocket. He said,
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Speaker 1: I want your wallet, and I just kept screaming that
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Speaker 1: I lived in the building and people knew me and
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Speaker 1: they were going to hear me, and eventually ran away. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So that feeling askey Willcott trial lawyer and judge, what
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Speaker 1: about it. I've had so many crime victims tell me
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Speaker 1: I had this feeling before anything ever happened. Nancy. You
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Speaker 1: know I've said on your show so many times. Trust
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Speaker 1: your gut and the feeling, the women's intuition, the intuition
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Speaker 1: that men can have as well. Absolutely, I believe in that.
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Speaker 1: As a judge, I see cases in front of me
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Speaker 1: where survivors will say I knew something, I felt something.
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Speaker 1: You can feel evil. I think to Kelly Haren joining me. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: so you're out training for a marathon. You stop in
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Speaker 1: a ladies bathroom, a public bathroom, and I want you
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Speaker 1: to describe it. And you use the bathroom, you're washing
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Speaker 1: your hands, and a chill goes up your spine. Then
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Speaker 1: what happened? I turn around and it is my worst nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Standing right in front of me, right out of the movies.
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Speaker 1: Bad guy has a hat, has his hoodie pulled up.
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Speaker 1: And my first instinct was almost to say, oh, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I think as women we just apologize for everything. But
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Speaker 1: then my brain kind of realized, oh, this isn't a woman,
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Speaker 1: this a man. This is a crazy man. And then
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Speaker 1: the smell hit me. He had been living in on
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Speaker 1: the beach, and I knew that I was in big trouble. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you've got to go to crime online dot Com and
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Speaker 1: see the mug shot of this guy. This guy want
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Speaker 1: to look at him and you know something is way wrong.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Kelly Hearing, the female marathon runner who
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Speaker 1: innocently darts into a public bathroom and her worst dreams
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Speaker 1: come true. Kelly joined us in person now and I
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Speaker 1: want to be is weird and congraduating you. I'm very
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Speaker 1: happy you survived. Thank you. I know the track that
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Speaker 1: don't just track your steps, to track your heart rate.
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Speaker 1: What happened in addition to your steps. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: really interesting to look at the data. My resting heart
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Speaker 1: rate was around eighty six and I can see the
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Speaker 1: moment of the attack. It went up in to the
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Speaker 1: one forties, and then I had a huge try to
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Speaker 1: adrenaline surge at the end and it spiked up to
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Speaker 1: one sixteen. A shocking Instagram posts sending chills and inspiration
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Speaker 1: to women everywhere. It shows jogger Kelly Herron safe but
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Speaker 1: battered after a brutal attack while she was out for
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Speaker 1: a run. As he was holding me down. Reflected that
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Speaker 1: Kelly Herron was four miles into a ten mile run
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Speaker 1: in his popular Seattle park when she stopped to use
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Speaker 1: a public restroom. As I was drying my hands. I
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Speaker 1: became aware that something was wrong. That's when police say
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Speaker 1: a forty year old known sex offender assaulted her and
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Speaker 1: it was a fight on the bathroom floor. All I
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Speaker 1: could think was not today expletive in joining me right now?
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Speaker 1: That woman Kelly Herron, the marathon runner who fought off
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Speaker 1: a brutal attack. If you go to crime online dot com,
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Speaker 1: you will see the photos of Kelly's beaten and bruised face,
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Speaker 1: her fitness track or looking like if you look at
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Speaker 1: it on a chart, it looks like a kid just
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Speaker 1: scribbled all over the page as her pulse raced up
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Speaker 1: near two hundred fighting this guy off. Kelly Herron, tell
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Speaker 1: me about the public bathroom you darted into during your training.
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Speaker 1: It was a typical beach bathroom. It was concrete, um,
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Speaker 1: you know when concrete and steel, as a result of
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Speaker 1: which I suffered some major injuries to my body in
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Speaker 1: my lumbar spine. There's there's a reason boxing isn't done
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Speaker 1: on concrete. Was it the kind that has doors or
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Speaker 1: the kind that are doorless? Yeah, there's There were three stalls.
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Speaker 1: There were two small stalls and then a large like
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Speaker 1: handicap stall and that's where the perpetrator was hiding. Let
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Speaker 1: me ask you, when you would walk into the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: was there a door going in, because you know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you just walk in and then you turn a corner
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Speaker 1: and then there's stalls doors. But to get in the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: there's not a door. There was a door on the outside,
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Speaker 1: and thankfully it had one of those latches, which ultimately
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Speaker 1: allowed me to lock him in after which was brilliant. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you dropped off talking about how you're washing your hands.
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Speaker 1: You feel a chill go up your spine, and then
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Speaker 1: you turn around and there is this guy who has
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Speaker 1: been hiding I guess perched up on that third commode
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Speaker 1: in the handicap stall, waiting for a woman to come in.
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Speaker 1: And then you walk in. What happened? Then you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Then what happens? He threw me to the ground.
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Speaker 1: And now, thankfully, Nancy, I had just taken a self
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Speaker 1: defense class only three weeks before this, and one of
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Speaker 1: the things that we learned was to project as though
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Speaker 1: you're not afraid, and that can sometimes be enough to
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Speaker 1: deter your attacker if you show them that you're going
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Speaker 1: to fight. So the first thing out of my mouth
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Speaker 1: to him was not today mother effort. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: pretend like I wasn't afraid, even though I was terrified,
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Speaker 1: and it just turned into an all out brawl. I
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Speaker 1: tried throwing elbows back at him, they weren't really landing.
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Speaker 1: The fight progressed underneath the walls of the bathroom stalls.
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Speaker 1: I finally, when I saw his face, was able to
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Speaker 1: claw at his eyes. And also in self defense, we
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Speaker 1: learned to hit with an open hand. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to throw the perfect punch. So I just started beating
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Speaker 1: him in the head with my one free arm like
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Speaker 1: my forearm, and I kicked the lock of the stall
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Speaker 1: in an attempt to kind of trap myself in one
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Speaker 1: of the little stalls. But he came in right after
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Speaker 1: me and got on top of me and started beating
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Speaker 1: me the case. And when I had kicked that stall door,
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Speaker 1: I keeped it so hard that I jammed it into
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Speaker 1: the frame so it wouldn't open or close. I'm on
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Speaker 1: my back, he's on top of me. I reached my
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Speaker 1: arms up behind me on the other side of that
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Speaker 1: stall door and pulled myself out from under him. Thought
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Speaker 1: I was going to lose consciousness, got one more surge
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Speaker 1: of adrenaline and just the survival instinct kicked in. I
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Speaker 1: jumped to my feet and was able to lunch for
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Speaker 1: that front door and get out. And he never got
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Speaker 1: out of that jam stall door. What was he trying
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Speaker 1: to rob you? Or rape you? Rape me? He was
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Speaker 1: trying to rape me. He had been pulling up my initially,
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Speaker 1: he had been trying to grab at my compression pants.
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Speaker 1: Thankfully they weren't going anywhere. Kelly Heron was four months
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Speaker 1: miles into a ten mile long run there in Seattle
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Speaker 1: when a man jumped her brutally in a public bathroom
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Speaker 1: along her trail. She fought back, and this experience, this
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Speaker 1: life changing experience, caused her to start not today, mother
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Speaker 1: effer intm F, and she created it. Why Kelly, why
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Speaker 1: did you create int MF? I thought it was really
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Speaker 1: important for women to know that this was my biggest
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Speaker 1: nightmare too, So I took that self defense class, and
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Speaker 1: I wanted to encourage other women to prepare themselves for
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Speaker 1: a worst case scenario. As I said on Doctor Oz,
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Speaker 1: your body cannot go where your mind has not been,
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Speaker 1: so we have to mentally put ourselves in those worst
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Speaker 1: case scenarios and think about how we would react in
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Speaker 1: what we would do. I wanted to encourage other women
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Speaker 1: to do that and to let them know that we
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Speaker 1: don't have to be polite. It is okay to fight back,
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Speaker 1: and we have to fight back. Kelly. When I look
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Speaker 1: at the photo of your injuries, what happened to you?
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Speaker 1: What did he do to you? He beat me badly
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Speaker 1: in the face. Now you should see his mouth shot,
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Speaker 1: his booking shot, because I did a pretty good job
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Speaker 1: on him too, I must say. And all that's thrashing
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Speaker 1: around on that cement floor. I was bruised, just black
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Speaker 1: and blue on the whole left side of my body.
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Speaker 1: I had a lumbar spine injury that took four months
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Speaker 1: of physical therapy to work through so I could walk
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Speaker 1: properly again. You know the photo and you can see
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Speaker 1: this at crime online dot com. She's right, he got
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Speaker 1: the bat into that stick. Three years. That is how
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Speaker 1: long this already conveyd sex offender was a fender was
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Speaker 1: sentenced too in an attempted race at Seattle's Golden Gardens Park.
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Speaker 1: Kelly here and with us right now, fought off or
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Speaker 1: attack her. But she is still feeling the reverberations and
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Speaker 1: the ripples of this attack, nightmares, waking up screaming. What
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Speaker 1: did you tell the judge during your victim's impact statement, Kelly,
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Speaker 1: I told him that the last time that I saw Steiner,
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Speaker 1: I locked him in a concrete room with a sink
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Speaker 1: and a toilet, and I was there to ask him
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Speaker 1: to do the same, and he did. He was given
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Speaker 1: the maximum sentence. I told him about the impact that
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Speaker 1: it had on me financially, mentally, emotionally. I had serious PTSD.
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Speaker 1: I woke up screaming every single night. It took a
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Speaker 1: lot of therapy, id e edmr MVR therapy, and it
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. It took me a long time to
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Speaker 1: feel safe again, especially you know running. Um. I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: strong willed and stubborn. So I continued my training and
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Speaker 1: went on to run that marathon. Um. But even now
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Speaker 1: it's it's taken away. UM. Kind of that that sense
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Speaker 1: of freedom that people are looking for when they when
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Speaker 1: they run. UM. But it was the most healing thing
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Speaker 1: to give that the him impact statements, to just be
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Speaker 1: able to say everything that had been um, every way
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Speaker 1: that my life had bridden impacted. Kelly Herron, who is
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Speaker 1: with me right now, a marathon runner who was attacked
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Speaker 1: in a bathroom, a lady's bathroom as she is practicing
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Speaker 1: as she is training for a marathon. Kelly, I love
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Speaker 1: what you told the judge. I love it you say,
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Speaker 1: and I'm quoting because I've read your victim impact statement.
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Speaker 1: This moment is burning into my mind and I have
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Speaker 1: flashbacks on a daily basis. I fought for my life
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Speaker 1: as I was slammed into the ground, repeatedly punched in
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Speaker 1: the face, and saw my life flashed before my eyes.
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Speaker 1: Our encounter ended with me locking him, mister Steiner, in
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Speaker 1: that concrete room with a sinking a toilet, and today
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Speaker 1: I am here to ask you to do the same thing.
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Speaker 1: That's what she told the judge. Of course, he stein
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Speaker 1: are the perp breaks down crying and sobbing and in
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Speaker 1: front of the judge. That certainly does not convince me
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Speaker 1: that he was sorry. This was not his first time
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Speaker 1: at the rodeo. He is a registered sex offender, so
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Speaker 1: if he's sorry, he's sure isn't repenting very much. To Karen,
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Speaker 1: start explain why do people have flashbacks? But when an
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Speaker 1: incident is that dramatic, Nancy, it gets stuck in your
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Speaker 1: brain and that's just how we work biologically. Physically, you
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Speaker 1: can't do anything about that. It keeps reoccurring. So any
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Speaker 1: time that you're in a situation that remotely reminds you
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Speaker 1: of that incident, it keeps reoccurring. You have nightmares, you're
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Speaker 1: very afraid to be in the world, and what Kelly mentioned,
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Speaker 1: m DR is a terrific therapy for that. EMDR is
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Speaker 1: eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. What it is exactly is
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Speaker 1: a type of therapy. It's fairly new, it's nontraditional, it's psychotherapy,
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Speaker 1: and it's growing in popularity in treating PTSD post traumatic
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Speaker 1: stress disorder. Research is going on, but a session can
24:24
Speaker 1: last up to ninety minutes, and your therapist moves their
24:29
Speaker 1: finger back and forth in front of your face. You
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Speaker 1: follow the hand emotions with your eyes and at the
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Speaker 1: same time the therapist as you recall the disturbing event,
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Speaker 1: and it will include the emotions and the body sensations
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Speaker 1: that went along with that event, and gradually you shift
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Speaker 1: your thoughts to more pleasant ones. And by doing this
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Speaker 1: it helps train you automatically to get off the bad,
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Speaker 1: distru ring thoughts into something pleasant. I recall distinctly Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcot after Keith's murder, which nearly put me under I
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Speaker 1: would get intense every time I would start thinking about
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Speaker 1: Keith's murderer. Took me about a year to do this.
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Speaker 1: I try to force myself not to think about it
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Speaker 1: because I would suddenly get horrible headaches. When I would
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Speaker 1: think about Keith's murder, I would immediately start a horrible headache,
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Speaker 1: and that would keep me. I guess, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how it happened, but it would keep me from thinking
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Speaker 1: about it, Ashley, And so yeah, absolutely, Nancy, And let
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Speaker 1: me just say this, therapy, although new, is also common
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Speaker 1: now to be used with children who are victims of
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Speaker 1: severe trauma, and it's proven very effective. But I think
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Speaker 1: the lesson in all of this that you just made
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Speaker 1: clear with that example is even if you survive and
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Speaker 1: you're not raped or you're not killed, even if you
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Speaker 1: are fortunate enough to fight back like Kelly dead with vengeance,
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Speaker 1: there are still effects. You still have been traumatized and
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Speaker 1: injured in ways that most cannot even imagine. A woman
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Speaker 1: says she was able to fight off a man who
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Speaker 1: was trying to grape her just weeks after she took
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Speaker 1: a class in felt offence. Thirty six year old Kelly
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Speaker 1: Herron says she was out running in Golden Gardens Park
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Speaker 1: in Washington State when she stopped to use a restroom.
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Speaker 1: She says that's where a masked man attacked her, throwing
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Speaker 1: her to the ground and trying to take her pants off.
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Speaker 1: And she says that's when she went into attack mode,
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Speaker 1: hitting him in the face with a hard part of
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Speaker 1: her hand, clawing at him, and screaming at the top
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Speaker 1: of her lungs, all things she learned during a two
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Speaker 1: hour self defense class she took just a few weeks
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Speaker 1: prior to this incident. She says she was able to
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Speaker 1: get away and passers by helped her block him in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom until police could come. They arrested Gary Steiner,
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Speaker 1: a registered sex offender. He's been charged with attempted second
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Speaker 1: degree raith and second degree assault with sexual motivation. While
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Speaker 1: the bruises and scrapes Herron sustained in the attack will heal,
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Speaker 1: she says she feels empowered knowing she won this fight.
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Speaker 1: For Inside Edition dot Com, I'm Matt Ramasbano. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends an Inside Edition talking about the ordeal
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Speaker 1: that Kelly Herron lived through, and right now Kelly is
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Speaker 1: with us. Kelly, explain to me how you use those
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Speaker 1: defense techniques you learned just three weeks before to fight
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Speaker 1: this registered sex offender off There was nobody there to
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Speaker 1: help you in the chilling words. No one could hear
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Speaker 1: you scream. It was all all you. Yes. The key
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Speaker 1: takeaways from that class where one we've already talked about today,
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Speaker 1: which is trusting your instincts. When I got that chill
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Speaker 1: up my spine, I knew something was wrong. Every idea
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Speaker 1: I had during that fight I went with when I
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Speaker 1: locked that door, when I hit him in the head.
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Speaker 1: Number two, be loud and fight hard. To show your
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Speaker 1: assailant that you're not afraid even though you're terrified. Pretend
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Speaker 1: like you're not. It's just as good as not being afraid.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I was screaming and cussing at him
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Speaker 1: and telling him that I was going to kill him.
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Speaker 1: I wanted him to know that I was not going
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Speaker 1: down easily, and then hitting with an open hand. Don't
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Speaker 1: worry about having great self defense moves or throwing the
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Speaker 1: perfect punch. You can use just hard bones on soft,
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Speaker 1: fleshy places. So anything that's hard on your body, hit
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Speaker 1: them somewhere soft on their body, hit them in the face,
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Speaker 1: and the neck, in the head, in the groin, um,
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Speaker 1: and just fight like a savage, Fight like a savage.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at your awesome news site and your podcast
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Speaker 1: tell me about that. It's called not today, Not today
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Speaker 1: is um, It's it's still in in process. Really, I
29:19
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've received so many so much praise
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Speaker 1: for what I did, and I have met so many
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Speaker 1: women who I think are just as bad ass. More
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Speaker 1: about us. I think we all have that in us,
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Speaker 1: and I really want to surface other stories of women
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Speaker 1: who who flat back. And you know, it's it's not
29:41
Speaker 1: there is no winning or not winning, but it's just
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Speaker 1: about being where, being prepared, giving it all of your effort,
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Speaker 1: and then after going through something traumatic, what that looks
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Speaker 1: like and what we can go on to do. Some
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Speaker 1: people bounce back. I believe that people can also bounce
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Speaker 1: forward and that their lives and I think in my case,
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Speaker 1: you know, when you go through something this traumatic, you
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Speaker 1: can go on to do incredible things because you realize
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Speaker 1: what you're made of and we have so much more
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Speaker 1: potential than we even though we are so much stronger
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Speaker 1: than we know. And sometimes it does see that near
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Speaker 1: death experience to see what we're made of Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: not doing a plug, but I'm totally getting your T
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Speaker 1: shirt not today, mother effort and on it. It's so awesome.
30:30
Speaker 1: It says make a statement without saying a word. The
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Speaker 1: GPS lines from Kelly's attacks, survival and her battle cry
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Speaker 1: heard around the world, and it has the lines like
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Speaker 1: I was telling about I saw on Doctor Oz. It's
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Speaker 1: so incredible. I'm totally getting that T shirt. Although my
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Speaker 1: twins are not allowed to say the effort of of course,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark is you never so long? They would say, mom,
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Speaker 1: so and so said the F word. I'm like, really
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Speaker 1: what they say? They said, Johnny's fat fat was the
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Speaker 1: F word, okay in our home, and sadly they learned
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Speaker 1: the hard way what the real F word was. To
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York psychologists joining us, you have actually
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Speaker 1: used that type of therapy on September eleven victims, right,
31:19
Speaker 1: I have. Yes. I volunteered to do it and had
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Speaker 1: a lot of people whom I worked with and Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's an incredible how well it works. It really does
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Speaker 1: make a difference, and you learn to realize that right now,
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Speaker 1: at this moment, you're safe and to let go of
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Speaker 1: any kind of a traumatic experience you went through. Francine
31:43
Speaker 1: Shapiro is the person who started it. When she was
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Speaker 1: working with veterans and they would come back. She didn't
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Speaker 1: know what to do with them, and she just had
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Speaker 1: this idea. And it's not just waving hands. You can
31:56
Speaker 1: also flash lights, do taps, any kind of moved like
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Speaker 1: that that puts a person into a place where they
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Speaker 1: can just let go. Kelly heron how long did it
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Speaker 1: take for your body to heal and all those bruises
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Speaker 1: to go away that I'm looking at right now, the
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Speaker 1: bruisers lasted. Oh, she's probably close to a month. It
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Speaker 1: took four months of physical therapy for me to repair
32:23
Speaker 1: the impact to my lumbar sparing and it still does
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Speaker 1: flare up so and therapy. I was in therapy for
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Speaker 1: four months. It's all four or five months now with
32:33
Speaker 1: an incredible survival story. Somebody are sharing a jobber using you.
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Speaker 1: If she'd just learned himself to the men's class to
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Speaker 1: save her own life when she was attacked on a run.
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Speaker 1: He was He's Kina Witworth spoke with her and joins
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Speaker 1: us now from Seattle with details. Good morning, gain Larry,
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Speaker 1: Good morning Her story has a lot of women wondering
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Speaker 1: what they would do if they found themselves in a
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Speaker 1: similar situation, and that's what she wants to encourage women
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Speaker 1: to take roll so you can defend yourself if you
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Speaker 1: have to. This morning, a shocking Instagram post sending chills
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Speaker 1: and inspiration to women everywhere. It shows thirty six year
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Speaker 1: old jogger Kelly Herron safe but battered after a brutal
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Speaker 1: attack while she was out for a run. As he
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Speaker 1: was holding me down. See that. Kelly Herron was four
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Speaker 1: miles into a ten mile run in his popular Seattle
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Speaker 1: park when she stopped to use a public restaurant. As
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Speaker 1: I was drying my hands, I became aware that something
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Speaker 1: was wrong. That's why police say this man, Gary Steiner,
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Speaker 1: a forty year old known sex offender, assaulted her and
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Speaker 1: it was a fight on the bathroom floor. All I
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Speaker 1: could think was not today, Not today. M f with me.
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Speaker 1: Kelly Herron my new hero, Care and Starting York psychologist
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Speaker 1: and Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer advocate. You can find
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley. When you hear this story,
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Speaker 1: it really speaks to women all over the world. It
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Speaker 1: does Nancy. And here's what I think one of the
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Speaker 1: most important parts that Kelly is making by advocating, and
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Speaker 1: that is be prepared, be aware unfortunately the world we
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Speaker 1: live in. Be prepared so that if this horrific nightmare
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Speaker 1: happens to you, you know what to do. Here's my
34:37
Speaker 1: other question to you, Ashley. Why was this registered sex
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Speaker 1: offender out walking free to start with? What was he
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Speaker 1: doing out so he could pray on? Kelly? Well, you
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Speaker 1: know that, unfortunately is something that I see sentences that
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Speaker 1: aren't long enough for sex offenders and they are back
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Speaker 1: out and so there are laws to protect in terms
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Speaker 1: of they can't live too close to a school, right,
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Speaker 1: they can't be around kids, but that does not prevent
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Speaker 1: at all or protect the public from them being out
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Speaker 1: from behind bars. He got three years behind bars, Kelly here,
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Speaker 1: and that really doesn't seem like enough for an already
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Speaker 1: convicted sex offender who tried to rape somebody else in
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Speaker 1: a public bathroom. That doesn't seem like enough to me. Kelly.
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Speaker 1: I totally agree, and sadly that was the maximum. That
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Speaker 1: was the maximum sentence. It was an indeterminate sentence, which
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Speaker 1: meant I was going to have to go back every
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Speaker 1: three years and plead to the board to extend his
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Speaker 1: sentence until basically he died. We were talking about Gary Steiner,
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Speaker 1: the convicted sex offender who was walking free and attacked
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Speaker 1: Kelly Heron as she went into a public bathroom. You know,
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Speaker 1: Karen Starr, It's a phenomena that I write about in
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Speaker 1: my new book, Don't Be a Victim, finding back against
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Speaker 1: America's crime wave. The number of attacks that occur in
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Speaker 1: public bathrooms. That's part of why you had that dream, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and that why it's reoccurring, because you have to be
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Speaker 1: really careful. But the thing I think that women should
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Speaker 1: take away from this more than anything is to trust
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Speaker 1: your instincts. If you think it's not safe, if you
36:23
Speaker 1: have a feeling, if you have a hunch, to really
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Speaker 1: pay attention and understand that if you scream out and
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Speaker 1: defend yourself, if you're not polite, if you take that risk,
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Speaker 1: you can save yourself. To Kelly Heron with me right
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Speaker 1: now now, an icon and founder of a new podcast
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Speaker 1: and website, Not Today, m F. Kelly, what's your message today,
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Speaker 1: not only to women all around, but to girls. It's
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Speaker 1: scary to think about the worst case scenario, but we
36:56
Speaker 1: cannot turn a blind eye to it. We have to
36:59
Speaker 1: keep our head on a swivel. We have to know
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Speaker 1: what we would do in a worst case situation. And
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Speaker 1: if you find yourself in that situation, never give up.
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Speaker 1: You have to just keep going and believing yourself and
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Speaker 1: just give it everything you have and just do not
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Speaker 1: stop fighting. Get out of that situation no matter what
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Speaker 1: it cakes. I guess you have to be ready to fight. Listen,
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Speaker 1: this happened to me in the middle of the day.
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Speaker 1: It was a Sunday afternoon. So you always need to
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Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings and be prepared, but not
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Speaker 1: live in fear. Yeah, so I didn't think about you
37:41
Speaker 1: know what I was going to say. When I said that,
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Speaker 1: It just came out of me and I meant it,
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Speaker 1: and through those words, I was able to manifest that curse.
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Speaker 1: You can't put a timeline on recovery. I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go outside, I'm going to take care
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Speaker 1: of myself, did all those things, and I still wasn't
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Speaker 1: feeling it. It's not supposed to feel like homework or
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Speaker 1: like chores, you know, it's supposed to be freeing. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that fear should hold anyone back from doing
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Speaker 1: the things that they love and running where and when
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Speaker 1: and with whom they want. The reason that people are
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Speaker 1: drawn to my story is because they want to believe
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Speaker 1: if they were in a situation that I was in,
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Speaker 1: that they could have survived. And I believe that they
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Speaker 1: could have as well. Killy here and thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us, along with Karen Starr and
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Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off Goodbye friend.