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Unmasking KISS: A Deep Dive Into Every Album [Episode 225] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: We're totally booked rock and roll. I mean gott to
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome back to book don Rock, the podcast
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  Speaker 2: This episode's guests are Tom and Zeus, hosts of the
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  Speaker 2: Shouted Out Loudcast. They are the authors of the book
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  Speaker 2: Raise Your Glasses, a celebration of fifty years of Kiss
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  Speaker 2: songs by celebrities, musicians and fans. It's a musical journey
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  Speaker 2: through the iconic catalog of Kiss. Notable contributors are former
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  Speaker 2: Kiss guitarist Bruce Culet, wrestler, musician, podcaster Chris Jericho, legendary
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  Speaker 2: songwriter Desmond Child, and many more. They all come together
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  Speaker 2: to provide exclusive insights into every track that is shape
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  Speaker 2: the legendary bands illustrious career. It also includes exclusive special
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  Speaker 2: reviews by Gene Simmons and Ace Frehley. I had a
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  Speaker 2: great time talking Kiss with Tom and Zeus. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite bands. This was a blast.
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  Speaker 2: You can find a playlist of Kiss in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Show notes. Guys, welcome to the pod.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Eric love being here. Thanks Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, and we got to thank for those just
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  Speaker 2: listening on audio. I'm putting up the book by James Campion.
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  Speaker 2: Our friend James hooked this up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, James is the best. Yeah, he's the man he is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been so nice to us and generous, has
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  Speaker 3: become a good friend of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They don't get better as a guest. I mean he
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  Speaker 2: puts everything into being a guest. It's like an art.
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  Speaker 1: Form for him. I love it. He was great and
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  Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to spend some time with him
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  Speaker 1: when we were all in New York City last year
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  Speaker 1: for the final Kiss show Madison Square guy and we
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  Speaker 1: met up with James, had lunch, sat down with him.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's great. We we love James, remember you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, free plug to his book, shouted out loud.
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  Speaker 2: The story of Kisses Destroyer and the making of an
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  Speaker 2: American icon pick ass book. So this, you guys have
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  Speaker 2: to be psyched. I was looking at Amazon. It's like
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  Speaker 2: across the board five stars. Yeah, this is the first
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  Speaker 2: book you've ever.
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  Speaker 1: Written, first time we've ever even approached the idea of a.
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  Speaker 2: Book, yes, yea, yeah, so yeah, tell me how this
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  Speaker 2: all came about. How long ago did the idea?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll take this one. So the idea came
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  Speaker 1: about probably about two years ago, okay. And what happened
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  Speaker 1: was whenever we have guests on the show, we always
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  Speaker 1: do like some introductory kind of icebreaker kiss questions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: favorite our favorite member, favorite song, favorite album, favorite, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kiss memory, whatever. And Zeus, I give him all the
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  Speaker 1: credit in the world. He came to me and he said,
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  Speaker 1: what if we took all of this great information that
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  Speaker 1: we get from these great guests, put it together into
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  Speaker 1: a book, and just cover the entire Kiss discography. So
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let's slow down, let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: this first of all, I'm in And then he said,
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  Speaker 1: let's get all the people that we've had on, Let's
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  Speaker 1: get more guests. Let's just try to get as many
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  Speaker 1: people as we can. We ended up getting over one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen people contributing to the book, and we said,
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  Speaker 1: let's do every Kiss song in chronological order from every
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  Speaker 1: Kiss album with people's insights, thoughts, feelings, emotion, anecdotes, nostalgia,
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  Speaker 1: everything and create a Kiss book that literally doesn't exist
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  Speaker 1: anywhere else, with all the Kiss books as great and
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  Speaker 1: as wonderful as James's book is. That's James's book about
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  Speaker 1: the history destroyer. There's no book like this that we
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  Speaker 1: put together. And again I give credit to Zeus for
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  Speaker 1: kind of coming up with the idea. We brought Joey
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  Speaker 1: on board because Joey has history with writing books. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote an autobiography, wrote a couple of other books. So
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  Speaker 1: the three of us together figured it would just be
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  Speaker 1: a dream team and thankfully it looks like it came
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  Speaker 1: out that way. Joey Cassata, we want to give them
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  Speaker 1: Joey Cassata, Yes, you don't have to give him any props.
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  Speaker 1: And Who's Who's Sonny Poony? That's the best? I love
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  Speaker 1: O God, he's not part of the book, He's in
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  Speaker 1: the book. He's in the book. I love.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to you guys all the time, man, and
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  Speaker 2: the best was Chris Jericho.
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  Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Sonny son He loved that one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jericho is in the book.
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  Speaker 2: Ye yeah, well, let's talk about that. Who are some
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  Speaker 2: of the guys people that we have in here. We
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  Speaker 2: got members of the band, we got some famous folks
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  Speaker 2: like Chris Jericho.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, zeus, I want to go ahead there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure. So a lot of these people are guests.
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  Speaker 3: And for a while people were wondering, Jesus, you guys
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  Speaker 3: get a lot of a lot of your episodes are
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  Speaker 3: filled with guests. Well there was a purpose for that. Yeah, Hey, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you want to come on the show. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: we got a book we're thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so I'll give you I'll show you some names. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So we got Ace on our show and we asked
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  Speaker 3: a some song questions. So Ace is in there. We
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  Speaker 3: got Ace von Johnson from Ala Guns. We've got Adam Mitchell,
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  Speaker 3: the Kiss songwriter. I'm at Zappa. Alison Hagendorf, who did
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  Speaker 3: the last Kiss Show in New York was the host
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  Speaker 3: in New York. Brian Teaching who's now part of Jean's band,
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  Speaker 3: Britt Lightning from Vixim, the Great Bruce Cullick, who does
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  Speaker 3: the foreword the Force member, He's amazing, Bully Ray the
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  Speaker 3: wrestler Carmine Piece, the legendary drummer. Another legendary drummer, Charlie
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  Speaker 3: Bononte Jericho. We got Greg Gast, the comedian. We got
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  Speaker 3: the Demon, the wrestler Dale Torborg. We've got Dave Logreca,
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  Speaker 3: his partner on Busted Open podcast. We got Desmond Child. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Desmond Child took time out of the after promoting his
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  Speaker 3: book to come on and that was a great.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great side story about getting Desmond Eddie Trunk.
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  Speaker 3: I asked Gin a question at an event, so I
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  Speaker 3: got Gene to do it. A great ram Bonnet of Rainbow.
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  Speaker 3: You got Greg Prayder, who you mentioned? The author, the
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  Speaker 3: incredible Holly Knight. Oh yeah, writer Holly Knight. Yes, he's
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  Speaker 3: got some great insight. The comedian Hal Sparks. You've got
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  Speaker 3: Jason Hook five Finger Death Punch, Uh, the John beauvois
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  Speaker 3: who wrote songs with Kiss, Joe Linn Turner of Rainbow.
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  Speaker 3: We've got uh Loretta Carr, Eric Carr, the late great
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  Speaker 3: Eric Carr sister, come in, Martin pop Off. Uh, Mitch Weissman,
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  Speaker 3: another songwriter from Kiss. Right. We have Pete Dankelson, part
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  Speaker 3: of Pete's diary right now, he's all over uh performing
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  Speaker 3: these days. We had Bella Paran Yeah, you know, Pete Dankelson,
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  Speaker 3: I think Tom Right, mikey.
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  Speaker 1: Too yep, Mike Portnoy, Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to hit this alphabet Lee trying not
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  Speaker 3: to forget. And then you got Rudy Sarzo, the guys
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  Speaker 3: from Sisters Doll, Steve Vai made a contribution West Beach
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  Speaker 3: from the Plasmatics, William Starkey, the founder of the Kiss Army,
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  Speaker 3: the Great Zach Throne who's now performing with Jerry Cantrell
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  Speaker 3: out there, Bobby Rock from Vinnie Vincent Spand a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of the guys from Quarantine, Comedian Don Jamison, wrestler Kazarian,
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  Speaker 3: Joel Holkstra from Whitesnake. You got Ken Ken Sluker is
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  Speaker 3: also quarantined, Matt Starr, who's played with a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people including Ace, and you got PJ. Farley, who's in
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  Speaker 3: about fifteen thousand bands, including Trickster and Fozzy, Roxy Petrucci
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  Speaker 3: who's in Vixen, Steve Brown, who just produced Ace's album
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  Speaker 3: in part of Trickster, and the Great Todd Kerns. Those
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  Speaker 3: are just some of them.
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  Speaker 1: You're just just a few man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ace Freely that I wanted to tell you
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  Speaker 2: Ace Frehley story. I have worked in radio for many years,
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  Speaker 2: worked up in Fairfield County, and Ace was a friend
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  Speaker 2: of my friend Sean, who's one of the DJ's at
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  Speaker 2: the station, and that he had a stories. I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: wait every time he This is when Ace was still
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  Speaker 2: you know, throwing him back, and he'd go to the
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  Speaker 2: city and party with Ace, and the stories were endless.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's a famous one driving down the freeway
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  Speaker 2: the wrong way, but oh yeah, you know he would
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  Speaker 2: say he'd be at a club and Ace would be
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  Speaker 2: so hammered that the band play come on, Ace, come
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  Speaker 2: on up and jam with that's and As was so
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  Speaker 2: fucked up, you know, and he was just nothing but feedback.
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  Speaker 2: W I mean, just the A stories are endless. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you guys, just the Ace impression is it's the greatest.
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  Speaker 2: It's the greatest impression ever.
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  Speaker 1: Zeus.
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  Speaker 2: When did that start? When was the first time you
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  Speaker 2: you did your Ace impression?
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  Speaker 3: I remember some time there was like a YouTube clip
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  Speaker 3: where he would always pronounce his name the correct way
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  Speaker 3: it should be pronounced Fraley, Ace Fraley, and then there
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  Speaker 3: was this other video that Aces on this couch. I
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  Speaker 3: won't get into the two graphics stuff, but Ace was
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  Speaker 3: on the couch and the interview had this wicked, thick
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  Speaker 3: British accent, and there he was like reading readers questions
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  Speaker 3: to Ace. And one of the questions was and it
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  Speaker 3: was so blunt the way the guy did. He says
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  Speaker 3: boul Stanley. Have you ever seen him? Yeah, I want
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  Speaker 3: to edit this. Have you ever seen him suck a cock?
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  Speaker 3: He's sitting back like this now? Is that what he does? Dude?
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  Speaker 3: If somebody asked me, does my friend Tom suck a cow?
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  Speaker 1: It is that what he does?
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  Speaker 3: I don't care what you're doing your own free time.
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  Speaker 3: You can be in love with the parakee for all
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, but that's but Eric, That's what started
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  Speaker 1: started story.
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  Speaker 3: And then we just get thing that we do is
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  Speaker 3: just over the top silliness. And so now our Ace
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  Speaker 3: character can't control his bowels. So every other day he's
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  Speaker 3: having accidents.
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  Speaker 1: And then and and and then one of the funnies
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  Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then one of the and then
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  Speaker 1: one of the funniest things of our show is last fall.
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  Speaker 1: This time of the year I had a I had
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  Speaker 1: a shed built in my backyard, so all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden it just became that's where Ace is gonna live. Now,
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna live in my shed.
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  Speaker 3: So it's because we almost saw him in Nashville and
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  Speaker 3: we were saying, yea, he told me you might have
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  Speaker 3: been crash a bit. I got nowhere else to stay,
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  Speaker 3: and so he became now a sleeps and Tom shed
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  Speaker 3: occasional new people and then group what's this thing about?
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  Speaker 3: And he's sleeping and someone shed, dude, he's a joke.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then and then it took off even
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  Speaker 1: more because we had the lovely ladies of the band
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  Speaker 1: plush on and and and Bella was telling us a
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  Speaker 1: story about how her family knows.
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  Speaker 3: Ace and the bell is the other one. It was
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  Speaker 3: the basis the blonde girl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Okay, Ashley, Yes, I'm sorry, Ah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, sorry about that correction. And she was saying
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  Speaker 1: how Ace is a family friend and how they refer
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  Speaker 1: to him as uncle Ace. I said to Zeus, I like,
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  Speaker 1: that's a TV show right there.
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  Speaker 3: Uncle uncle has to watch the kids on the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: It's like fucking uncle Buck.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly, and then we started doing stuff like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Dating Game with Ace Frehley, and it just gets
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  Speaker 1: out of contruck.
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  Speaker 3: That's number two.
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  Speaker 2: But my buddy Sean was at that. It was a
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  Speaker 2: Jean's birthday party. No, it was Ace's birthday party. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard the story where Jean shows up
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  Speaker 2: with a birthday cake and as he's walking in, Ace
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  Speaker 2: is just shitting all over Jane like he.
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  Speaker 1: Never wrote a song. I wrote all the fucking song.
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  Speaker 1: That's all he does. Yeah, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: Jane just came walking in like he just jaw drop.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he was there that night.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think that made that made headlines or.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think Ace just did a brand new
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  Speaker 1: interview with gold Mind magazine, like just recently. Because it's
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to keep up Zeus and I talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to know what is a recent interview and
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  Speaker 1: what is something old that some of these online publications
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  Speaker 1: are like promoting for you know what I mean. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see these headlines and we'll click on it and
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's from like two years ago. But
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  Speaker 1: but I do think Ace just did do a brand
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  Speaker 1: one renew one with gold Mind magazine.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he likes he likes to stir ship up,
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  Speaker 3: yes along the way. For a lot of people that
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  Speaker 3: love his I am one of them. I find him
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  Speaker 3: to be insufferable these days.
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  Speaker 1: He's like a loose cannon. Now he's just shut up, dude,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same story.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, you couldn't play on the end of the Road tour.
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  Speaker 3: There's no fucking way you could have played on that.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just everything is like a personal attack. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: those guys used to say you were a drunk and
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  Speaker 3: a drug addict, but you were.
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  Speaker 1: You were right, right, But so it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Let it go.
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  Speaker 1: But he just.
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  Speaker 3: Drudges it up. And that's part of the problem why
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to write the book. See, I'm gonna circle back,
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  Speaker 3: that's right, because everything of kiss is all about oh
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  Speaker 3: A said this about Gene. Oh they're gonna have fireworks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is Paul lipsinging? Oh is this going on to us?
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  Speaker 3: The forgotten part of the greatness of Kisses, the music,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, the songs. So we want to write a
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  Speaker 3: book where we're not talking about oh A showed up
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  Speaker 3: for the rehearsal and he had one sneaker collar and
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  Speaker 3: the other Oh, and then they fired Peter in nineteen eighty,
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  Speaker 3: Like we wanted to get to the music. We've heard
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  Speaker 3: the other stories. There's no book that's just breaking down
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  Speaker 3: all the greatness that's on Paul Stanley seventy eight solo
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  Speaker 3: album or all the deep cuts off of Animalize, Like
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  Speaker 3: that's the shit we like, we all know why everybody
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  Speaker 3: thinks of col Gin Detroit rock City and thing. We
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  Speaker 3: want that hit, all the deep guns and that's what this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're speaking to me because I'm I'm that
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  Speaker 2: Kiss fan who thinks that Paul's a great songwriter, who
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  Speaker 2: thinks that Ace is a kick ass guitarist, who thinks
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  Speaker 2: Gene is a great bassist and a great vocalist. So
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  Speaker 2: and Paul Paul one of the greatest voices in rock history.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the songs that stand up, they stand in
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  Speaker 2: the test of time and that kind of And that
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  Speaker 2: was a question I was gonna ask in a little
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  Speaker 2: while about why you think, you know, why why people
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  Speaker 2: don't feel that way. Maybe it's because of the makeup
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  Speaker 2: and all that, but we'll get to that. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the chemistry that you guys have on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Having worked in radio, I know it's like you don't
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  Speaker 2: just throw two people in a room and say hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna work. You guys went to school together, you
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: went to college together, right, you met in college. So
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  Speaker 2: it reminds me so much of my my friend Mike.
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  Speaker 2: We're in roommates in college. It's the same sense of humor.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that chemistry there. But then you have to
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  Speaker 2: you have to transfer that over to a microphone, knowing
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  Speaker 2: that people are listening, so that that makes a difference too.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you have to be a little fearless. You
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  Speaker 2: can you just say whatever you want to say, but
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: talk about you know what led to the to the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: When I'll start this one time, So for us, Tom
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  Speaker 3: was listening to podcasts. I knew nothing about it. At
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  Speaker 3: some point he told me about podcasts and kiss podcasts,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, holy shit, I can listen about someone
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  Speaker 3: talking about kiss anytime. I want to great button and
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking through so I'm like, oh my god, people
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  Speaker 3: are talking about you know, destroyer, people are talking about
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  Speaker 3: this and people and I listened to it and while
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy it because I think if you have a
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  Speaker 3: kiss podcast, you have a captivated audience of at least
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  Speaker 3: a thousand people. At least a thousand people will listen
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  Speaker 3: to your podcast if it's about kiss, no matter how
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  Speaker 3: bad you are, but can you do better? So I
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  Speaker 3: listened to that and I'm like, you know what, and
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  Speaker 3: he was telling me, what if we do one? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't want to do it like this, no
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  Speaker 3: offense after the topic. I'm like, this is kind of boring.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't like kiss is funny, Kiss is silly. Kisses
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  Speaker 3: like awesome music, Like it's gotta be like I want
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  Speaker 3: to listen to them, even when they talk about the
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  Speaker 3: worst kiss song of all time, hold Me, touch me,
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  Speaker 3: feel me, whatever, But like, I want to listen to
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  Speaker 3: the people. And we took our personality and said, let's
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  Speaker 3: make like kiss the podcast that we want them to
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  Speaker 3: listen to. Yeah, I'll let you take over talk.
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  Speaker 1: It's like sports talk radio but for kiss. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's true because you know, we're not gonna we're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna name names. But there are a ton of kiss
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  Speaker 1: podcasts out there, and some of them are better than others,
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  Speaker 1: just like any other medium out there in entertainment, and
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  Speaker 1: the good ones, you know, do a really great job
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: of what they do. You know, we like to say
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: that there's no other Kiss book like raizor Glasses, and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: there's no other Kiss podcasts like Shout It Out loudcasts.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And Zeus and I said, if we're going to do this,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: we know how we are as friends, and we know
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: our personalities. We we have to do this the way
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: we want to do it and be ourselves. And if
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: people listen and tune in and or entertain, that is fantastic.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: If not, we'll see what happens there. But luckily we're
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: almost hitting our three hundredth episode. People love the show,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The audience is growing. We published a book and we said,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like Zeus said, we said, is Kiss. We love Kiss.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't have spent almost our entire life listening to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: them and you know, studying every little nook and cranny.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot to kind of joke about them,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: some of the things they do, some of the things
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: they say, some of the lyrics they write, some of
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the songs that they've put out there. And if you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: can't have fun with Kiss, then you're kind of missing
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the point. We're not breaking down Vietnam or the Korean War,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: or you know nuclear, you know, we're talking about Kiss.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Let's have some fun and poke fun while still loving
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the band.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would imagine the beginning he had to weed
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: out some of those people though.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was some people at first
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that were like, oh wow, new Kiss podcast. These guys
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: don't sound like anybody we've ever heard before, you know.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: But we don't just get that. Then we get that now.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we still we do get them.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: We get that now, so we'll get people like we
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: we've branched out. We do the Album Review Crew, which
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: is about any album. We do it once a month,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: non Kiss, and we just did one on Wasp. God, okay, Wasp.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: It's fine, Hey, but I'm like, this is fucking for
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: people that think Ace freely lyrics are too sophisticated. This
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: is fucking beyond stupid lyrics. And some of the ship
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I'm like, and so I say these things, and you
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: would think I insulted the Virgin Mary.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Oh god, what the fuck?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: How do you kiss? Fans? Ship on Wasp was credit?
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: What the fuck is wrong?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I had to shut this off. I've been listening to
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: you for five years. We still get shipped like that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. We had people. We had
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: people saying to shut out loudcast you guys in my
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: favorite podcast that I couldn't. I couldn't listen to this episode, Like, dude,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it's wasp, it's.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: But that's how we gossip.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: They have a song, they have a song called fuck
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like a Beast. It's okay to make fun of them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And we're not like, we're not insulting the listeners being
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: by you're the worst fucking challenge. If you think this
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: is good, we're just like, I'm just we went through
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the list and we just everybody says it turning. I
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: just think this is fucking ridiculously horrendous some of the songs.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: But okay, so we'll get that. Oh you guys love
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Paul Stanley, you hate as Oh you guys are ship
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: on fucking Paul? You got apparently we shoot on everybody,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: which we do. We're equal, we're equal opportunity. If if
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: if Paul deserves to be shipped on, we'll shoot on him.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: If he deserves to be praised, we'll praise him. Same
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: thing with Jeane and and Ace and Bruce and and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Vinnie and everybody. But something then works because for the
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: last four years or the number one rank kiss Ball.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's it. Yep, you tap in into
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: something booked on rock podcasts. We'll be back after this.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Think about the future.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Guy, I don't know, and then'll we find out keep
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a lid on it. So let's get to the book.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So let's go through some of the albums. I don't
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: want to keep you guys too long here. We're just
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: kind of go through each album and just get your
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: comments on each. I mean, we know it took. It
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: was the live album where the band finally takes off.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: It's their fourth album altogether with Destroyer what they really
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: take off. But those first three albums they're really good.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: It's just that for whatever reason, they just they didn't
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: take off. But we'll start with the self titled debut,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: which is from seventy four Strutter, Firehouse, Cold Gin Duce,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand Years in Black Diamond, all from this
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: one album. Ye all, kiss Classics and you you write
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: in the book quote Kisses self titled debut album. It's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a testament to the power of rock and roll and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the enduring appeal of a band that would go on
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to become rock legends. Now, if this album comes out
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: as the follow up to Destroyer rather than a time
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: when they were unknown, how does this album fair. I'm
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: saying multi platinum if if the timing was different.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great question. We love Kiss questions,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right if it came out if they
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: had already had the groundwork laid with something as quote
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: unquote sophisticated as Destroyer and then followed it up with
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: something as simple i'll say as that debut album with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: chock full of those hits, yeah, you're right, it probably
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: would have been multi platinum because we all know when
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a band puts out a huge album, everybody wants the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: next album exactly. So yeah, I think that would. I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: think that's a great point.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Because the songs just stand up. They're so good. It's
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: just at that time they still weren't known, right, right, Yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: it was your comments on that first album.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could say, I mean, there's so
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: many classics on there, but I still think. You know
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: how everybody in Kiss world thinks that the first three
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: albums they're grouped for a reason, and then the next
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: three a group for a reason. There's a level of
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: maturity that comes from Destroyer going forward that is not
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: there on the first three albums. They're just way more raw,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: way more simplistic rock and roll, and although we all
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: love them, I don't think that they like I think,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: would Kiss the debut album do better than Rock.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And roll Over?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think so after Destroyer. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Destroyer is the hit and then they go to rock
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and roll Over or they go to the debut album.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I think rock and roll Over does better.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: You do, Okay, Yeah, I do.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe, And I'm not saying rock and roll Over. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: have it ranked higher, but I'm not saying that that's,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: you know, blowing away the debut album. Yeah, although to me,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I just feel like those songs are just different. They're
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: they're more raw.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the production on that debut album is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so thin. That's why people love the live versions on
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a lot. Like you, you listen to Deuce on the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: debut album and then listen to it on the live album.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, now you understand why people lost their minds
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: when that album came out.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: And I think they're different versions. Yeah it was in
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a firehouse, and then listen to it on a live Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: they're just different versions, so you can almost think that
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: it's one's the demo and one's the real version.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kissing Tom, I agree that that song just that's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that's the shitter of the album. But I know a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: lot of people love theme from Kiss don't like that,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: but I love it. I love that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I love it too. I love it, I love instrumental.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I love it for the historical aspect of what it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: what it was, what it became, and and you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I just I anything interesting that Kiss does you know?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think is cool?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I don't know why you as you're
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: shitting on Kissing Time.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Do you like Kissing Time?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with it at all. Okay,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: especially since all three three members sing yeah, and each
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: one of them like especially Peter's verse. Peter sings his
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: ass off and does that Peter.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's the chorus. I agree with you, Zeus,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but I think it's a chorus that people will The.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Chorus is cheesy, fifties, sixties, early sixties.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It sounds like something that would be on a Peter
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: solo album. Yeah, okay, that's that's a positive thing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, we we we we Love. We love the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Peter solo album Zeus a little bit more than me.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But you definitely you will have it either. Yeah, you
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: love it. Okay, you won't hear either one of them.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Listen, guys, take care, it's not it's not it's not
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a kiss album.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It's great, but but but it's it's a fun album.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I will say I like the Peter Criss
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: album more now than I did when I first heard.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't like. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: any year old kid like the Pater Chris solo. Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Hotter than Hell, you say, is darker? Also from seventy four,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: a darker album. All seventy five is Dressed to Kill
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: anthemic rockers on there some catchy pop infuse tracks. You
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: look at the tracks and those albums and they're stacked Parasite,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: another Ace classic, Hotter than Hell All the Way, Watching You,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Strange Ways from Hotter than Hell Dressed to Kill has
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a room service, rock Bottom, Come on love Me she
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: kick Ass, riff YEP overall I can and rock and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: roll a night yet And this is the question I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was gonna ask. They're not taken seriously by the critics.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of fans. Why do you think that is?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Can we assume it's the makeup that turned them off?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I think two things. I think the band was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: trying so they couldn't find their way. They I think
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: they knew their ways musicians and songwriters, but they didn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: really know what they wanted to give to the public.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So Hotter than Hell they said, Okay, let's go dark, muddy,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: doom metal, let's have lessen like in retrospect, terrible production.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But the songs are heavy as fuck on that album. Okay,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: but they just sound like they're under water. Okay, Dressed
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to Kill comes along. I absolutely love it. It's poppy,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it's punchy. All the songs are like have a real
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: like rhythmic effect on Peter's drumming. That might be to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: me the clinic album for Peter's drumming right there. Okay,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: but again, but again, the album is a little bit thin.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So I think I don't think people know what to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: do with with the with this band right now. They
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: look this way, but they sound that way. And I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: think it was just kind of confusing for people at
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that time.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: When I got out of In the Hell for the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: first time, it was a burned CD, so I thought
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it was actually a messed up copy. Yeah, because of
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the drums. I saw, oh, this is like really overmodulated somebody.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So let me get the let me get the actual copy.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I get the actual copy sound exactly the same. I'm
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: just saying, right, it's wrong with the drums. That was intentional.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: From from what I understand, that was what they wanted.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: So here's how I look at it. They didn't take
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: their time making the songs. I think they're so underrated
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of coming up with full hooks, great choruses, fun sing
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: along songs, reminiscent of the Motown type, churn and burn,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: make these good songs and just send them out right,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: not taking the time home. It took this band four
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: years to come up with this. Okay, great, these guys
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: are sad songs, so good at doing these good catchy songs.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And then if you'd put them in that live setting
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and then add fucking bombs, add blood, add fire at
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: stage banter, all of a sudden, critics are like, what
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: is this? They're just masking the other stuff. You're not
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: listening to room service and being like this is on
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: a different level, but you like it and you can
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: rock out to it. But then you add the other
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: stuff into the critics they're looking to shit all over them,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and I think it hurt them. It may have helped
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: them later on with the fans, but I think artistically
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: to critics, it hurts them. They're not going to give
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: these bands and this type of band a chance. I
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: think the songs and the music is there, it's there
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: for Yeah, they're great. I think they're just very good,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and they can turn these songs out rather quickly.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Thick.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: How many albums they released in the fucking seventies, that's insane?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, then two in one year, which was which
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: was somewhat common back then. But still they're cranking them out.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you got two and seventy four.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: You have more in seventy eight.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. You had seven studio albums, two live albums,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a compilation in four solo albums in the span of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: five years. Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: That's a madness. That's insane.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: No wonder why they couldn't stand each other's I mean
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: they were constantly working.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: That's it, that's it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: They can turn these songs out. No, offense. I don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: know anybody that's a Kiss fan that's like, oh, that's
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: like Now. People may not like like the Elder. People
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: might oh that's the disco album, but as many people
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that might not like something, there's three or four times
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: people that love that album. There's no throwaways in the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Kiss discography. There's no all during this time, this shit sucked.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: None of the songs are any good.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: One thing we've One thing we've learned as we've done
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this this show and especially putting the book together, is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: when people think a Kiss, especially people that are casual
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: fans or maybe even people that aren't fans, you think
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of the makeup, You think of the bombs, the fire jeans,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: spitting rock and rock and rocks all night. But going
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: through this book, you realize there's a lot of people
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: out there, including us, that absolutely love the non makeup
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: eighties era, that love the Elder. Okay, all this stuff
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that people don't talk about. You. I mean that we've
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: learned through the podcast and again really learned putting this
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: book together, that that non makeup eighties Kiss stuff that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: we have. We have people who listen to the show
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: friends of us, they prefer that over the classic seventies
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: makeup era kiss They said, those songs are better, those albums.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Are better booked on rock podcasts.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Will be back after this, never ever, ever.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Under any circumstances say I'll be right back, because you
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: won't be back.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I'm getting out of the berrial on one.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I'll be right back. Destroyer.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about, well, we will kiss Alive.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: What it does for the band, that's huge. I mean
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that that's obvious. I'm assuming there's you can't say anything
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: negative about Kiss Alive. I mean we get it now
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: after the fact. There was stuff that was done, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: whatever that that's that's a classic. But so now the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: momentum and the Destroyer comes out in seventy six, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and that's their most commercially successful studio album.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But is it there? Is it their best?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Because it's not my person a favorite. I love it,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: but there are times when I feel like bob Ezrin
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: maybe overproduces in some areas, but some areas it's perfect,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Like Great Expectations, Flaming Youth overproduced for me. Other songs
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: like got a Thunder Detroit Rock City with that intro,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the production perfect. So are there songs on the album
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that you feel like, yeah, he could have pulled back
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit more, or do you like the whole
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: thing from start to finish.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: We gotta be careful here. We reviewed every single album
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: except for Destroyer.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last last one one, Okay.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So I want to be careful and not give too
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: much away, But I will agree with you. I mean,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: people have heard me talk about Destroyer. Bob Ezrin put
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: some extra stuff in there. You either like it or
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: you don't. I'm one of those that like it. So
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: all is is Great Expectations going to be better without
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Bob Ezrin. I don't think it's that good at all,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: but I think Ezra makes it better. It makes it
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: at least interesting by adding what he does. He certainly
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: did the same thing with the rest of the songs
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: on that They made it way more interesting straight ahead
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: rock and roll. Great Expectations. Flaming Youth ain't gonna be
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: much better without Ezra.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: The family Youth.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Flaming Youth has that like carnival sound to it, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: never it be Merry go round thing. Yeah, that always
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: kind of kicks.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a natural progression for them,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Mad Dog, by the way, it is.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's a great demo out.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: That's that mad Dog on the box set. That's where
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: he came from.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: What a box set by the way, Oh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible, incredible, But yeah, after a live kind of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: blew up and everybody, you know, you gotta you gotta
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: produce like Ezra who comes in and really wants to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: harness kiss and turn them into something that they've never
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: been before. So I mean you needed Destroyer, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: like Zeus said, we haven't really reviewed the album yet,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: so we don't kind of want to show our cards
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: here per se for anybody listen to the show here.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But I think Destroyer was necessary to keep moving forward.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: You know, you had a live which was a market,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you know, a marker in the sand. You had Destroyer,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: which was a marker in the sand, and you you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: absolutely needed it. Whether or not we love what Ezrin did,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: but I think it was essential and it just continued
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that that upward trajection for the trajectory for the band.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Ezrin has an interesting career where he's got those albums
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: that he has a home run on and then there's
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: albums where he doesn't. That was like late eighties, early
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: nineties where he admittedly was doing a little bit of that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah he's and he's yeah, he's, he's, I mean
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: he's really I mean then he comes back he does revenge, whichah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's spectacular, you know. So Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Ezren is definitely uh, you don't know what you're gonna
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: get with him.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very polarizing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very I'm catching myself kind of. I'm saying one thing,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: but I'm saying another on a different air.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Kiss.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: In other words, I say I don't like the production
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: or over production of Destroyer, But then if you if
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: if you look at the eighties Kiss, I love the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: heavily produced crazy.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Nuts we do. That's but that's what I want.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: In my eighties Kiss. I don't want that with my
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: seventies Kiss. I want the bare bones, straight ahead rock.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I want the rock and roll over in love gone,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: straight ahead, stripped down rock. That's Eddie Kramer. Your comments
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: on those two albums, the follow.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, well, I think I think Kiss wanted the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: exact same thing. I think Kiss knew there were fans
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that when Destroyer came out, They're like, what the hell
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: is this? What is great expectations?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: What is Beth Beth.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what what what is the calliope music and flaming Youth?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: What's the where is Kiss? What happened to my band? Like? Yeah,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I like Detroit Rock City, I like King of the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Nighttime World. So I think Kiss was like, all right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: this was great, this was huge. We blew up. We
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: got a big hit with Beth. But let's get back
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to basics. Let's get let's get raw and hard and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: heavy and classic with Eddie Kramer. They did that. They
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: continue it with Love Gun, they continue with a live too.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But again, I think, like any other artist out there,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you need everything is a building block. Whether it's going
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to move you forward, I'll move you backward, I'll move
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you to the side. You need those things. So you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have had rock and roll over in Love Gun
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: if you didn't have Destroyer. But I think the band
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: recognized that, And to me, I prefer what Eddie Kramer
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: does over what bob Ezrin does. I always have night Zeus.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is why we have a podcast. So exactly,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I'm the complete opposite. I'll take bob Ezrin any day
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: over Eddie Kramer any day. I think Eddie Kremer because
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I think there's Bob Ezron makes better songs. Maybe Eddie
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Kramer gets better sounds, but he ain't getting better songs.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: And for me, I look at the songs that came
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: out of Bob Ezrin albums, and I look at the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: songs that came out of Eddie Kramer albums. I'll take
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the Ezren's songs anytime over those I'm still including and taking.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I'm including the Elder and I'm including Revenge. I think
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: he you know, he works at Jimi Hendrix, he worked
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: at Zeppelin. I'm not going to criticize Ezren's studio work.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I mean not ez Framer's studio work. Obviously, he's a genius.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: And whatever he did on a live is possibly the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: best produced album, maybe better than Destroyer. Okay he did that,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But I like Rock and Roll over for a while,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: it was my number one album that we've had in
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: our rankings. But I love it for overall. It's great,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: but there's some ship on there too. See You in
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Your Dreams is not gonna like knock my socks off.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's the great expectations of that album.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I know Tom loves it, but almost human And then
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: she kissed me. Those songs made it to love.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Gune she kissed Me. That's a thing that breaks my
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: heart because I'm a perfec kiss record.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but these are these are still decisions there,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: whereas I think Ezrin would tell kiss get the fuck
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: get that fuck ship out of here, is like, all right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you want to do this song, I'll make it sound
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: as good as it can.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But the flip, but the flip side to that
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: is Ezren signed off on great expectations. I know that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a punching bag, but it's a punching bag for But
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Have a problem with great expectations. I still think it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a decent song. Okay, that's her decision to record Then
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: she Kissed Me is just a terrible decision.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, it's indefensible.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna do a cover at the end, dude,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you guys love the who you love. Let imagine if
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: they put a cover one of those songs.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly what a way.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: To end an album.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Do we know why they chose that track to cover?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Probably that stuff. Plus it's got the work, you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's got the word, you know, like kissing time and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: then she kissed Me point. Yeah, I just can't say.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: It's a different decision. I mean, you got two different producers,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: two different styles, and I'm glad they got both to right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't want Bob Ezrin doing all the seventies. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: don't want Eddie Kramer doing all the seventies album right.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Beth, whether you like it or not, obviously
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: it was huge for the for the band, and Ezrin
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: really takes a lot of credit for Bath because he really.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Structured the whole thing.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, yeah, originally called back and yeah, that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: ye all that. Yeah, I could just see Paul, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and then she could that's sting.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It's sting, Paul, it's sting a step This is bullshit's
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: snow blind Snowlin. Save it for my solo album with
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Eddie Kramer.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Oh god, So the four solo albums, how do you
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: rank them? Ah?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So that's fun. Actually, just one of our one of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: our episodes. A couple of weeks ago, we actually did
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a we created what we call the nineteen seventy Lost
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Kiss Album, and we took the ten best and created
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: like what would have been a Kiss album. You know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we love the soulo albums. We've reviewed all four of them.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: We had our friend Joey Cassata, co author of the book.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: We did a draft where we drafted, and then Zeus
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and I just a couple of weeks ago, just did we.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I love the Soulo albums. Some of them are better
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: than others. For me, it's untouchable that Paul Stanley is
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: number one. It's not even closer. Oh yeah, I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Ace is actually horrendously overrated. Really problem. The problem with
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Ace is that the great songs are great, but the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: songs that are bad I think are.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Tam In need Wall see what I mean.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: So I but I mean I love Rip It Out
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: as incredible, Speeding back to My Baby be incredible, What's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: on your Mind? Incredible? I love those. I will defend
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Jean's album. I think it's a fun album. And we've
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: already heard us talk sing the praise of Peter's album.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But for me, Paul's album is just untouchable.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So Paul one, Gene two.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Tom, you have Paul one, you have Ace two.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I give it. I put Ace two just because
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Rip It Out and Speeding back to My Baby is
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: so incredible, They're so power.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at our rankings.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he came that one A one. Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: But I I but I I really enjoy Jeans and Peters.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I love them all. I love them all. I mean
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I'll take all four of those and put them on
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: shuffle or whatever and listen to them. I think they're great.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: And what a time.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I think we're all run the same age. So I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: was like six, seven, eight, nine years old when all
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: this stuff was going down, and I had the Jigsaw puzzle.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I had to destroyed Jigsaw and Kiss a life. Two
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: guy down the street, Tom Skrikka, huge Kiss fan, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: he played the album so much and he needed to
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: get clean copies.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: He just you know, it's just up. Yeah right, he
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: should have waited to buy CDs. All right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: He hands me a stack of albums like here you
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: go and at the top was alive too. I was
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: gonna grab it in the other room, but I, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: open up that gatefold and holy ship, there's the fire,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: there's They were just superheroes, you know then Andy, So Eric,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: before you get there, yeah, before.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: You get there, I gotta tell you mine because I
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: want to hear you give me ship, okay, and tell
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you so it's Paul all one, It's Peter two, It's
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Ace three, Gene four.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, he loves he loves the Peter. I like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it too, but I can't. I can't put it second,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: but I like it. I do like it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Let me look back at the track listing here, hold on.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I Can't Stop the Rain is the best kiss ballad
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: in its history.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, let me go back and let me let
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: me just re examine this and see. Maybe if you're
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, yeah, it's still so as I get older,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: maybe get those four covers are so cool though.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, incredible, all the covers.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I thought you think cover songs, Oh sorry, no, don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you let me down. You matter to me is cool?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Oh you mattered to me? And and fucking Tossing and
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Turning of.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: The Worst and those are my two favorite ones on.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: The album, and I can't stand them. I think they're
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the worst too.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: See that's the thing, Like he comes from that era,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: which I respect totally. Uh, who's a Krupa is his favorite?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I get it, the jazz and the big band.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: But you know that's the kind of sugar pop likes.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Great great song title exactly.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't stop the rain. All right, listen,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I will give it a listen again. Oh my god.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Rolling Stone album guy one out of five styles.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Oh don't trust rolling Stone though, please. They hate everybody exactly.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Here's another interesting one for you. Eric, you went to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: a Live two, Live two or Live one. I'm curious
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts too.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And I get Alive well, I know why it's huge,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: but I love Alive too. Those not those, not even
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Colgan studio tracks or cats.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's the see. That's the see to me, man, that
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that's the ticket ride. That's the typical. Yeah, let's a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: rocket ride, all right, lodging life, all loging life, all American? Man, Yes,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: which to mention not to mention? Live versions of Love
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Gun and I stole your got Him solun the shock
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Me solo?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, shock me.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I knew there was something like larger than life.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that doesn't sound like Peter on drums.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: We still don't know who recorded side for of Alive two. Really,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: it's still it's still everybody thinks it's Peter, but there's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of stories out there that it wasn't because
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Peter was kind of drift a little bit of a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: drift in nineteen.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: So if somebody says it was somebody else, Peter should
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: be the one that gets critical.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, and I do that, I do. I credit him.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: But but but you're right at Lodger than Life does
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: not sound like something Peter would play.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: No, who's on?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Isn't that QLX.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Brother Bob right?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: That's like as a Van hilln fan, if you listen
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: to Van Hilln three, try to pick out Apparently, uh
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Eddie plays all the drums according to Mike Post, who
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: produce that album.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: But really, yeah to me because actually.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow night I'm on I'm on a podcast, a guest
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: on a podcast called regarding Van Hillen three where they
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: break down each track I was listening to. I was
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: listening to that album again. I'm like, yeah, Alex is
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: playing there, He's not playing there. If you have an
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: ear like you guys listen to Kiss all the time, yeah,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you can tell ear for what's Peter and what's not?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, you can tell.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But he's he's credited as a drummer. So we'll leave podcasts.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: We'll be back after this.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Hey, I won't be long, all.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Right, So seventy nine's Dynasty. That's guy. I was Made
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: for Loving to You Number eleven. Ace is quoted in
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the book in Your Book about how he and Paul
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: had different musical taste. Fine with him, but in this
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: case not a fan. He said, quote, I was one
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: hundred percent against it. Where do you stand on I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Was Made for Loving.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You a first of all Dynasty in our rankings right now,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it's I have that second behind Love Gun is my
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: old time favorite kiss album. I was Made for Loving You.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: It's a great song. It's not my favorite song on
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the album. It's not one of my favorite kiss songs.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's a good song. It's an undeniable song. It
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: kind of pisses me off that it was the first
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: song released from the album because then it became known
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: as the disco album, because that is the disco song.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But because Dynasty is not a disco album. No, you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: listen to the rest of that album. It's not a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: shure No. Something has a little bit of disco. It's popish,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: But the rest of that album Hard Times, dirty, livin
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Magic Touch like you know, X ray Eyes, whatever,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: It's a killer, killer album. Love it, love all of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: as all of aces. Yeah, exactly, great stuff.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Two thousand man, what he does with two thousand and man,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: it's better than the Stones version.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: The Stones version is the Stones version. I love the Stones.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: The Stones versions bad? Yes, bad? Yeah?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: All right? Zeus your take on I was Made for
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Loving You in Dynasty too, though the album.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I Love Dynasty I have it ranked third. I was
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: made from Loving You Got Kissed a one billion plays?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, imagine that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: One one this billion plays. Do you think he fucking
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: gives a shit that some people say, oh the disc up,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: it got one billion plays. He's laughing at how much
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: money he's making. We had Carmine at Peace on our show.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: He wrote, do you think I'm sexy with Rod Stewart?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's right?
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, So as him as a drummer, as a journeyman
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: drummer and all this stuff, and he's got this great
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: resume and stuff. I bet you he makes more money
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: from that than anything else he's fucking ever done. Oh yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: ye think he cares that. Someone's like, dude, you you're
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: in Vanilla FID you played for Rod Stewart? What are
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you doing playing that song? He's probably like, go fuck yourself.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: You know what your money? I mate, I've got houses
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: that because because that song, Paul Steele's probably saying the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: exact same thing. And what's interesting and great about it
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: is the great Desmond Child gave us such a long
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: nuance we cut it down and about how that was innovative.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: He's one of the songs.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so he's like, nobody was doing a dance
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: disco song with electric guitars. We invented that, me and
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Paul Stanley, which is so cool, man, because you tell
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: me a song that that had a disco dance song
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: with guitars, and he's like, we invented that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny to The two most polarizing kiss
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: songs are the two most famous songs Beth and I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Was Made for Loving You. It's the two songs where
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: diehards are like, yeah, they're pretty good, and casual fans like, oh,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I love those songs, and then there's people that are
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: in between, and they are the two biggest songs that
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: they you know that they have in terms of popularity
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and publicity and and sales, et cetera.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: That's its highest ranking yep. And and I Was Made
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: for Loving you is it's.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: What billion streams on Spotify?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one billion, yep. Imagine that. I've always liked the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: song and whenever I hear it now, I like, yeah,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, you know, And this is the era
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: when a lot of the older Kiss fans, fans that
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: are older, older than us, didn't like the costumes.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: But that was the fucking coolest with the case. Oh yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: they started, Yeah, they started to look like like Peter's
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Superstomes with all that green fur and everything. I thought
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Ace looked absolutely badass. I mean, I've always been a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Gene guy, so I thought Gene looked absolutely incredible. But
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you're right, that's when they really started to become like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: cartoon characters and really over the top but flamboyant. But
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that was also of the air. Was nineteen seventy nine,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, you know that's what That's what it was.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: The Tom Snyder appearance.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Oh god, we did we did an episode on that.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It was last Halloween. We did the most incredible legendary
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it is just the looks that Jeane
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and Paul the Ace are just priceless.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: It's uncomfortable, it's it's it's so awkward.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: It's so awkward. I love it. I love it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: It was Tom SNARTI fell into one where he's like, yeah,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I got some pipes can pipe that needs.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: To be looked about it, tell me about it. That's
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: when Ace just became everybody's like favorite little goose. Yes, yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: it couldn't help it.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: And uh and Peter was loving it too. He was
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: just because that's.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. He loved seeing Jean Stewing there. Who
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: knew that they just hated each other? That boy, right,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: nobody knew.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Get out of my face. I can't stand you. You
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: know that that kind of hatred.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So by the time the Unmasked album comes out, that's
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, now his fans will starting to check out.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't listen to it until years later in college.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I had a friend he had Unmasks. He loved it,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm listening to him like, yeah, man, this is
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: freaking I like it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: It's cool.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And at the time I was like, damn is playing
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: really good?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: It's not Peter.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, he's on the cover. Anton fig Yes,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: he's the drummer. Is Unmasked underrated or rated? Just right?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Uh? Zeus, you want to go with hair.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: We know we Unmasked is rated low, so it's rated
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: just right.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're not a fan, No, I love it. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: love the album.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I am a fan because it's a Kiss album, so
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: in the Kiss library, compared to Kiss stuff, it's low,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: but compared to other people's probably could be one of
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: their best albums and other bands. But for me, it's
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: one of their lowest, if not the lowest.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, I really enjoy it. I like that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: kind of slick pop sound. I think it's I think
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it's really good. I mean, I'm not going to try
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: to convince somebody that it's a top tier Kiss album,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: but I really like it.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I just Shandy is a great song, but I loves
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: that's Zeus's favorite.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: He doesn't like it, Okay, that song is horrendous. Song sucks,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: it's brutal, it's awful. It's nothing worse than it's a
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: bad girl name song.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Holly Knight was part of this album.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: That's right, she was. Yep.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: We I love aces songs. They're like, they're so quirky,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: like there.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Are two sides of the coin. Talk to me. Yeah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it's great.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: By the way, that was cool. When you had the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: three sides of the Coin podcast guys on your show,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: it was like ghost across the streams.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Across the streets. That's right. I listened to those guys
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: all the time too.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all right to have like like other people.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody can like everything and everybody.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Has to hate each other and stuff.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was cool.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: That was a cool episode Unmasked. I don't think I
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: didn't any more to say about Unmasked, although no, this
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: is what's one quick thing. How weird is it to
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: see Peter in the video for Shandy. Yeah, he was
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: so mentally checked out at that point. He must have
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: been just like, what the fuck am I doing?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: It was also that was also pretty much the last
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: time that he was like with the band when they
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: filmed the video, and he kind.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Of like when they were done there, that was it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: That was weird. It was actually like the like a
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: really a real goodbye, Like is the song.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: All right, so let's get to it. Music from the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Elder and you defend, you defend the album in the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: book and I'm with you. It was a bold move,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: but years later I can appreciate it more, especially when
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you listen to it in like the proper track order. Uh,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: definitely a ballsy move. And there are songs on this
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: album that are among my all time favorite Kiss songs.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Dark Light, mister Blackwell, Yes, a bass that that menacing base,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Escape from the Island, and I'll throw an eye. But
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: zeus you call it with your comment in the book
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: those first three tracks fanfare, just a boy into Odyssey.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I mean you have to laugh talk about the album
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: as a whole. How do you feel about it? How
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: do you how did you feel about then? And how
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: do you feel about it now?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Almost I don't.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Even know existed? And I got back into Kiss in
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: the eighties after you know, checking out. Well, we always
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: like to joke, you know, I became six years old,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: so Kiss was too too childish from me when I
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: was six, and I checked out after like when Unmasked.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't remember Unmasked as a child. I don't remember
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: music from the Elder. I don't remember any of that shit.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: When I remember Kiss coming back in the my lexicon
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: or anything in hearing and music and rock was lick
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: it up on the radio, and then I remember Animalized
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: and that's when I circled back. But even when you
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: circle back and you get the magazines. Every once in
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a while you'd see something about music from the Aldo.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, Kiss, do a TV show?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: From the Elder?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Is that a movie?
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: What is that? And I could never find it? And
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: then CDs had it coming out, and then more magazines,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they I saw that this
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: was so bad that they never released it again.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I had the cassette in
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one and I was like, what the hell
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: is this?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: It's a hard album to listen to start to finish.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: It's one of the few Kiss albums that I really
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: struggled to listen to without, you know, individually selecting the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: songs I want to hear. But there are great songs
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: on there, the Oath, I mister Blackwell, dark Light, you
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: know only you. Some of the songs are great, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: you gotta you have to get through that other ship,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and it's it's painful. So the highs are very high
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and the lows are very low on the Elder.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And they had big expectations for the tour. Oh you
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: gonna have this big? It was like a spinal tap. Yeah,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: and they never even that. They never toured for it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Now they never did anything the Stoneheade tour.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly yeah, booked.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: On rock podcasts. Will be back after this, I swim.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I'll make it up to you.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of kids fans went back and listened to
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: music from the Elder for re examination or reconsideration. Yeah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: but I'm guessing there are quite a few people when
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they listened to the nineteen eighty two Creatures of the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Night years later. It was the first time because nobody
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: even knew it was out. Ace on the cover, but
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: he's not He's not even playing on their Vinnie Vincent
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: on most of the tracks. Then we have Eric Carr
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: on drums, massive sound. Is This Kiss his most underrated album?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: For me, I'm gonna say something probably really controversial that
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: people don't like. I actually think it's the most overrated album.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I think I remember you mentioning that because I think
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the sound of the album covers up.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Some pretty mediocre songs. I think Creatures of the Night
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: is a great song. I think war Machine is a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: great song. I think I Love It Loud is a
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: great song. I still love You as Okay as a
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: ballad some of those. It's not a bad album. It's
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: absolutely not a bad album. But the people that gush
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: over it and gush over it and it's my favorite album,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: it's my favorite album. It's not to me. It got
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: me definitely gonna be back into Kiss because that I
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: love it. Loud video was so amazing when I was
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: nine years old when they came out. I mean, I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: like the album. I enjoyed listening to it, but I think,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to me, I think it's definitely overrated in the Kiss
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and Kiss world. Wow, Okay, yeah, zeus.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Oh Christ's nice. Top five Kiss album, Yeah, definitely top
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: five Kiss album. The drums itself are fantastic. I like
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: the deeper cuts like danger. I fucking love that sound.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Just it just Paul goes nuts and the guitar and
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: the drums aren't it fantastic?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Killer?
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: It's just a killer in just war Machine is such
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: a bad ass gene.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: D heavy, heavy song. Especially Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I remember the first time I ever heard that, I
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: was like, whoa man?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I would hear wrestlers are come out
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: to that song. I don't blame them. It's a badass song.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And when they started performing it live, and then you
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: see the fucking image right on the big screen of
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: those like dragons breathing fire when the song comes on. Oh,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: the sirens going off. I'm a sucker for silence.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Salan Center, Satan Siner's and others. It's it's okay, go
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: to for me. Rock and roll Hell is pretty good.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yep, you know so.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to skip over Killers just because there's
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: some great nowhere to run. Partners in Crime Killers awesome.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Legend Tonight, down on your knees, that's on.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I think Killers for both of us is the number
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: one ranked compilation.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Compilation just because just because of those original tracks.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't done double platinum yet. I don't think
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Tom Killers is incredible.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Double Platnam's got that odd seventy eight version of disco Strutter. Yes,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: seventy eight, right right, yep, Tom and Zeus host of
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: the Shouted Out Loud Cast. Now, the authors of the
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: book Raise Your Glass is a celebration of fifty years
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: of kiss songs by celebrities, musicians, and fans. What stands
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: out to me about the eighties non makeup air of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: kiss They managed to stay in the game. The whole
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: decade they were in the conversation, they weren't the biggest
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: band anymore. Yeah, okay, but they had a single off
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of each album, eighty three's Lick It Up the title track,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Heaven's On Fire from eighty four's Animalized Tears are Falling
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: from eighty five's as Silent, Crazy, Crazy Nights from eighty
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: seven's Crazy Nights more so in the UK, but still
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: did well in the States. And then Hot Shade had
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Hija Hart Forever was a huge hit.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yep, So you got to.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Credit Paul for this. My question is, now we know
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Gene wasn't one hundred percent in it. It's doing his
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Hollywood day making movies. And also I think he just
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: not being the demon. That thing just kind of took
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the wind out of his sailes, So I don't think
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: he was into it as much. What if Gene was
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: every bit into kiss as Paul was during that decade.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Two things about Kisses non makeup eighties era A. The
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: band was tailor made for that era, especially the MTV era. Okay,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you got Paul, good looking guy, killer front man, loves
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to be the center of attention. Okay, The songs are
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: tailor made for you know, MTV pop, metal, hair metal, catchy, hooky,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: guitar solos, flamboyant clothes, all that stuff. Second, I think
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: one of the most underrated and underappreciated things zeus I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: talk about this all the time is Gene's non makeup songs.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I think people because Paul was the face of Kiss
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: in the eighties, rightfully so. But you go listen to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Crazy Nights and listen to just the Gene tracks. Go
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: listen to Asylund, go listen to the Gene tracks. Those
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: are awesome songs, and nobody pays attention to any of
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: them because they're not on any compilations, there were no
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: videos for them, they never played them in any concerts.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: They're buried on the albums. And that's probably her Paul,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: because he was the he was the king of Kiss
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: at that time. But those are the two things I
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: take from that eighties is that they were the albums
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: are great, and Gene is underrated.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you did you you felt that he was
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: actually into it as much as should have been.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not necessarily saying that. I'm just saying
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: that his contributions, I think are pretty damn good, you know,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I mean they did they deserve to be hits or videos.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Probably not. But I think the amount of of of
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you know, criticism that he gets most of it's well deserved.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: But I do think that he did have some really
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: good contributions during the eighties.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Because I felt it dropped off after Lick It Up.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: He's got some badass tunes Young and Wasted. Oh you
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: lick it up, probably innocent lick it up.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: He is incredible on that album.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all It's like a glove in the Eighth
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Day Dance.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incredible on Looking Up.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just felt like it kind of took
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: a nose dive.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: But you got, but hold on, you got you got
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Good Girl Gone Bad, Thief in the Night secretly cool. Uh,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: anyway you slice it, there's some good songs that aren't
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: really a big deal. But the problem is you have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: some fucking betrays in there and some other ship sounds.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: That you're like, burn bitch, burn, great, rip those stupid
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: lyrics log in your fire.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Murder and high heels.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Murder and high heels. You know only is the Hunter
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: not great? But yeah, those.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Lyrics put put let me put my log into your fire.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: But Paul, you know I got a rocket in my pocket.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, right, exactly.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Brian Adams orte a song off of didn't he write all.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Night or No? He wrote?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: He wrote on Creatures, he wrote, he wrote war Machine
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: and that's right, that's right.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Do you ever hear the version by Bachman Turner Overdrive Rocket?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, it's terrible. I love it.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: It's better than the kid. I have it right now
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: in my heart, right on my main screen because I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: play it every once in a while. I fucking love it,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: love it all right. I think it's I think it's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: a much better song. It's all about like hard life
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: on the road. It rocks and keep Oh.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: And that's an interesting story. I can't remember who who
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: recorded a first or because there's Jeans he added a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: verse in there. I think for publishing reasons.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, that or somebody did.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: That song is not finished? What are you talking about?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: You're not listening? Is not finished? In other words, you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: want to get some credit for the song, you know, yes.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: As a Van Allen fan, Van Ael fans are a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: little tired of but it's it's Jean's proud of it.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: But like you know I discovered Van Halen, but he did, Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: and he and he backed those guys. In fact, he said,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: recently just saw a comment from wrote an article on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: it Tudes. He said, biggest mistake that Paul ever made,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: or something like that that he should have you know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: it's like, guys, look, hello, are you hearing this dude
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: playing guitar?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so nineties Kissed. The huge story, of course, is
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: the reunion the original four I get all that, but
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Revenge God gave rock and Roll two two Unholy Domino. Yeah,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: this album is I remember being in college and more
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: of the guys that I was hanging out with we're
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: talking about Kiss than before.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know that.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: That was then. And then the MTV they're playing the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: videos and Gene was back into the demon character without
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: the makeup, but he was still looking cool.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this was the album. I mean, I was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: always in the Kiss during the eighties. I mean I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: loved Hot in the Shade. It was the first time
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I saw them in concert.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: But the Revenge album to me, Shade great set risks
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: on that tour, the best, yeah, the best, yes, but
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Revenge I love It's top four top four album for me.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Gene has incredible songs, Paul has incredible songs.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: The band is back. Unfortunately I didn't see them on
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: that tour. I did see them when they did that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: little convention tour they came to Boston in ninety five.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: That was kind of That was great. But Revenge and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Carnival of Souls and all that stuff leading
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: up to the reunion is just absolutely of that era
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: of Kiss.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Really, Carnival of Souls. Well, well, let's let's put Carnival
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: and Souls on hold because your comments, who want to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just Revenge's vegetable album. It's just outside my
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: top five, but you know, bring back Ezra and the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: band is all focused. They come out with some badass music.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: But the other thing that really pushed that album for
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Tom and I was the the video, the Extreme close
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Up that came out and just before that, Kids Exposed,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: So that brought a lot of old love for the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: old stuff and and appreciation for the new stuff. So
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: we would watch that in college and we had that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: on constantly on the big screen in the set, that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Extreme Close Up. People were like, dude, why are you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: guys that fucking kiss videos? Playing against shut up the.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Reporter. But extreme close.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Up specifically more so than.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Exposed extreme close up is that the.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Both of them, both of them, they came out I'm
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: saying in the nineties. I think extreme close up came
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: out like ninety two.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, okay, and that's.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Supposed came out like eighty seven something like that, or
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: around the exposed pool and yeah, but even that showed
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: me videos as I was younger about old Kiss that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I ever that I didn't remember, but I remember now
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: watching them as a kid that got that nostalgia back.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Hence they can do hot in the Shade now because
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: they can play those songs again. But that started building
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: up ho the old Kiss fans and the new Kiss
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: fans they can both love this band, Yes, And then
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Extreme close Up brought it more so altogether huge and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: just gave us more of appreciation of the old Kiss
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: with hey kisses back. Look at Geen, he's all in black,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: he looks menacing. Yeah, this is our Kiss, but what
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: it is now and I think it really tied it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: all together.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Podcasts will be back after this, I.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Mean, out, come out wherever you are.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Remember the video for a rise to it from Hot
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Shade word Yes, what did that?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: What were they trying to tell us anything? Maybe not
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: they want to read too much into it, but I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: think it got people excited.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Oh. I think you definitely should read it into that,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: especially especially when you listen to what Paul and Jene
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: are saying in that video when they talk about, Oh,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: we could take the makeup of all you're crazy, Oh
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: we can take the trust us. We could do anything.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Let's see what people say here. Let's take a little temperature.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I mean they were, I mean they were. There were
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: rumors that they wanted to put the makeup on, like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: back way before they did put it on in the reunion,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: So I feel like that was kind of percolating around
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: that time. I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: that they when they put that makeup on, that was them,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: because they even admitted that during the Hot and the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Shade tour, they that was one of the first tools
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: where they really started to embrace classic kiss. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: they they opened up with I Stole Your Love. Yes, Yes,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. Most of those other tours were opening
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: up with brand new material from the album was supporting,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: So I think that era of the band. They were,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: like Zeus said, they were embracing classic kiss around that time.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: It was always in the back of their mind. Yeah,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I think too.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I saw them in New Haley that Paul had a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: he injured himself I think was the car accident I remember,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: but he had the he had like a bandage around
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: his waist in New Haven Colosseum.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: My favorite thing about that is you got the kiss
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: tards bitching the ball like that's not the right uniform
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: in that era. He doesn't have the shoulder blade, like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: like this is why they kiss. Fans become insufferable. Just
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: can we have a little fun.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: By the way, did you guys have the chance to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: read the book? I had her on the show. Let
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: me find it here? She it's it's I think she's
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: gonna put out three volumes. She put out the first
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: of three volumes on Eric carr Uh. Here we go,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Janet Simmons. The book is okay. The book is called
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: The Rise of the Fox. Yes, okay. First one is
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty to ninety two, and then she she said
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: she's gonna have a second one out soon, and I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: think a third two phenomenal book breaks down the whole
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: timeline of the of his costume and the makeup, and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: how they had like forty eight hours to come up
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: with some Yeah. Yeah, the bird, he's oh, the hawk,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: the hawk, like fucking big bird. Oh, terrible, terrible, So
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Carnival Souls. I don't like Carnival here's a problem. Though
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: maybe I would have liked the timeline. It was such
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: a letdown. It was like after David the Roth shows
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: up at the ninety six MTV Awards, everybody's got their
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: hopes up and then he's not there and you have
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Gary Sharon. Why are you putting Carnival Souls out after
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the huge, huge hype of the Original four coming out?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that whole thing was that they recorded that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and then the reunion happened, They shelved, they shelved it,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: but then it started leaking out, bootlegs started leaking out,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and the band in the record label said, well, fuck it,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: if people are going to start listening to this, we
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: need to we need to put it out.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: So so that's why that's why it says, like the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Final Sessions, it's really not a fully produced and fleshed
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: out sounding album. So no critique of them in that sense,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: But it was just it was a that at that time.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: To have it come up then was and we were past.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: We're getting past the Gungera too. I think, yep, yeah, But.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: You mean I do, I do. I just I mean
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I'm a grunge fan. We both are. I mean, I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: know Zeus is not a huge fan of the album.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I'll let him kind of tell his piece on that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: But I think Gene, I think it's a fantastic Gene record.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible pall record. With the exception
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: maybe one or two songs. There are definitely duds on it,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like music from the Elder. The
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: highs are really high and the lows are kind of low.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: But I I enjoy it. But I think Bruce told
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you guys, he's proud of that record. Oh, he wrote,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: he wrote it's it's a Bruce ra He wrote most
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: of it. And Eric Singer Singer is an absolute beast
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: on it. The band sounds great. Again, some of the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: songs are not great, but some of the songs with
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Gene are fantastic, okay, Jeus.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Carnival Sold is my least ranked album.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Okay, But I like it.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: I like it. I don't let anybody get away with saying, oh,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: that album sucks. It doesn't suck. There's some good stuff
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: on it. But the reason it's ranked the lowest is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: because it's Paul's worst album.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible Paul album.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: So if an album is great of awesome Paul songs
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: versus awesome jeans, Paul's are gonna rank higher. The album
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: will be better. If Paul songs are better, he's way
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: more melodic and way more catchy. That works for me.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of music I like. Gene has that too,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: sometimes he's just not as prolific as Paul is. And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: because Jeane shines on that album and Paul is horrendous
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: on that album.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I like his Heart's not in its and Slave
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: is good. In Jungle is good. But but the rest
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: of yeah, it's good for you, it's good, yeah, right,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: But the rest of the Paul stuff is the rest
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of the Paul stuff is rough on that album.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: So to me, it's still a good album. And but
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: it's just not it's the least of the Kiss albums.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: About Tommy Thayer being on songwriting credit on Childhood's End.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a plus.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: It's it's not a positive.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. It's not a terrible song, but it's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: definitely not a it's it's it's not a top tier,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: upper tier kiss song by any stretch.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Podcasts will be back after this.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: We will not identification.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: This is.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Let's see so we move out Psycho Circus. Yeah, and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: then after the big reunion, did you guys go to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: the show is for?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, we went to a couple Yea, we went
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to all.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Was because I didn't go to I didn't get to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: see him until late nineties and then again in the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, which maybe the best show I've ever seen. Uh,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that ninety six tour, I mean, what was
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: that like?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was the dream come true. It was Yeah,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the love it was the love gun costumes, it was
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the it was something that you never thought you'd see
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: in your entire life. And they are in front of you,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Jean spitting blood, breathing fire, Ace doing the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: shock Me solo and just it was mind blowing. The
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: band sounded great, the cestus was awesome. It was just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: it was everything you could have hoped for. Is probably
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: the best show I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Was this the very first reunion show at the Boston Garden.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Boston Garden.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, you guys, I agree with Tom. This is the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: best concert ever been to.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: What a show they put on. And that's the thing
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: they talk about with Jean and money and he loves
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: my the money they put into these shows. You know,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: what they're doing and what he's doing, like he's afraid
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: of heights, he said, right, I think he said that,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: and he's.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: It's just it's also you add the the impossible was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: happening right in front of Yes, yes, okay. Usually you
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: don't get the Led Zeppelin reunion. You don't get the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: original members from the who back. You got the original
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: members and kiss with the costumes, with the makeup.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: You know, when they were still on their game. Exactly, Yeah,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: you got it. Yeah, that doesn't usually happen.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Gene one of the best showmen in rock history period,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: the whole, the whole, just the way he works the crowd,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: like with the you know, the folly, the arms time
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: time he's oh yeah, man. Just he was definitely always
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: my favorite during the eighties. It was Paul, but the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: makeup their it was definitely. Of course, I agree Psycho Circus.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's all four original members, or so we thought. Yeah,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight Psycho Circus thumbs up, thumbs down to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Psycho Circus. I love Into the Void. That's the I think,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: the only track that has all the four members on it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: So Psycho Circus for me is another one of the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I've said it before to a few albums. The highs
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: are really high, the lows are really low. The one
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: thing I don't like about this album is that it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any of the classic fuck me, suck me
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: kiss songs. Every single song is about a topic or
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: a thing. There's no I mean, I raise your glasses.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I like, you know, I pledge allegiance to the state
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: of rock and roll. Like those songs I like, like
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Psycho Circus within as good. Into the Void is good,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, songs like We Are One and I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Finally Found My Way, and you know some of these
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: other songs like Dreaming and stuff. It's it's not a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: bad album, it's just it's it's uneven even and I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: miss I want to hear some. I want to hear
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: some songs about getting laid. Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Whatever, well, whatever they did in the tour that they
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: got right for the reunion, they did the opposite for
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Cycle Circus the album.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a letdown all the elements of of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: what that reunion tour was and what the original kiss was.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You were hoping it was going to be in there,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: but we know now looking back hindsight, we know that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: they weren't all on the same page. And they weren't
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: you know, Ace and Peter were just hired guns, and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: you know, these are the songs we want, and I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: think Ace had maybe a few more songs he wanted
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: on there, and they just said no. And that's when
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: the wheels start to come off. And a long time
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: until the next studio album. A lot has happened between
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: ninety eight and two thousand and nine, Sonic Boom. You know,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Original four reunion comes to an end. So we get,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: let's get the controversial decision, and you know, so As
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and Peter are gone and we have Tommy Thayer and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: we have Eric Singer now wearing the cat and the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: space man ye outfit. So what do you think of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: the what did you think of the decision? Has your
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: opinion changed over.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: It never bothered me. I mean, I understand and I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: respect people's unhappiness and displeasure with it. You know, we
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: have plenty of people that don't like it. It doesn't bother me.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: What bothers me? Eddie Trunk can't Eddie Trunk can't stand
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: he's wrong? Yeah. What the problem I have is when
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: this is me personally of he speaks, is when having
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: them way the makeup okay, fine, but then having them
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: try to be Ace and Peter like Eric Singer doing
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Beth in front of the piano is absurd. Tommy Thayer
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: shooting rockets out of his guitar is absurd. But I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: get it because this era of Kiss, they were characters.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: It was the Spaceman, it was the Catman, it was
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: the Demon, it was the Star Shop. They were no
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: longer Ace, Paul, Peter, and so I get it. The
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: makeup really doesn't bother me. All the other theatrics that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: were staples of Peter and Ace that just kind of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: rubbed me the wrong way, But I dealt with it.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Even the songs payers was out of Space or everything
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: is Space.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: And lightning and yeah every yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: With And they worked so hard to build They said
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: they wanted to be the Beatles, like the Beatles where
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: everybody connects with each of the four members and they
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: work so hard to build up that brand.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I hate the throw that everybody uses that term. But no, no, no,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: that's what it was.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: And then okay, now we just have to pretend like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: that never happened. And Eddie Trunk wanted to have it
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: where like have him wear a different costume, makeup. We
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: know that different characters that wouldn't have worked.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: And if he was friends with Paul and Jean and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: he wasn't friends with Asan Peter, you think you would
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: be saying that shit.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, yep, right, And I mean they really had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: no other option other than to just to fold up
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the tent and walk away, and Paul wasn't ready. Sonic
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Boom and Monster, those two I love Sonic Boom, Monster
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: not so much. But the last two albums, what do
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: you think of those?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Sonic Boom is a good album, very good album. Monster, Ah,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: some songs that are good. I think the production on
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: that album sucks, and that was done by Paul. It's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: all bleeding. You can't hear any fucking instruments, they're all
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: bled together. I think the some of the songs it's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: grown on me actually monster. But it's still weakest, second
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: weakest album I think in my opinion. But I like
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: Sonic Boom. I think it's a great album all the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: way through.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, Sonic Boom for me is the lowest
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: ranked kiss album I have. I think, I just I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: don't like the sound of it. I think the songs
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: are kind of kind of weak. There's some good songs
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: on there. I mean, I like say Yeah, I like
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Modern Day Delilah. I think those songs crush they think
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: not a big fan. I actually like the Tommy Thayer song.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I actually think When Lightning Strikes is actually a good song.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's it's just it's not a It's
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: not my favorite album. I mean again, like Zeus said,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: it's a kiss album, so I like it, but it's
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: probably my least favorite. To listen to Boo podcast, We'll
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: be back after this. I think you'd be glad later
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: if you weren't here.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Now. You both gave your thoughts on that last show.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: You were there. Yep, that last show huge letdown for me.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I just felt okay, it was just like a commercial
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: to go into the next phase.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Was awful. It was awful.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can we can we put any kind
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: of positive spin on that?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Or is it just no? That's what it is. It was.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: It was a bit. I mean, how much you spent
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of money in the ticket?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it was.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: It was a cross. I mean, we love the show,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, the show itself. I mean, we
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: we're final show. We had we we were second row
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: floor for the final show, so no one's going to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: complain about that. It was great. It was a moment
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: with our best friends, but anticipating something. Not only do
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: we not get anything in terms of bringing up former
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: member as well, not only do we not get that,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: but we get this bullshit. Scan your QR code to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: see what the fucking avatars are going to be It.
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  Speaker 1: It ended with a commercial, which is ironic because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people blame Kiss for being nothing but a
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  Speaker 1: commercial entity. So I guess it was a It was
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  Speaker 1: a bummer.
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting for like an emotional, like some moment
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  Speaker 2: there where Jeane, you know, maybe he's Jean said he
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  Speaker 2: was going to tear up. He said he was.
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  Speaker 1: He did after he did show when he got off
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  Speaker 1: the stage.
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  Speaker 2: Paul was waiting for something, you know, and just through
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  Speaker 2: the years with all the guys thank him. Just think
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  Speaker 2: even the guys you hated, like Vinnie just just nope.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it would have been this really emotional closure
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  Speaker 2: type of thing, but we know they it's it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really closure.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was a bummer.
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  Speaker 2: Can the avatars work?
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  Speaker 1: It's not for a wow? I mean, I mean, I'll
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: go see it just because we're kiss fans and it'll
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: be kind of out of curiosity. But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it's gonna be or what it's gonna do, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll go. We'll go see it. Yeah, we have to
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  Speaker 1: with Tom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Paul is depressed, like bummed out, like
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  Speaker 2: the reality of him not before?
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  Speaker 1: No, I actually think it was exactly. I think it's
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the exact opposite. I think he couldn't wait. Covid screwed
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  Speaker 1: up all of Paul's plans. He wanted this to be
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  Speaker 1: over in twenty twenty one, and COVID screwed it up
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: and dragged it out all the way until two three
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: more years. He wanted this to be over. He wanted
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: to be done with Kiss and get back into the
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: world of, you know, doing TV interviews and painting and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: just being I Yeah, so I think that wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: The case when they said they were going to end.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think they were. I think they were excited
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: for me. I think they were. I think they had
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of passion and.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't done yet right when. I think when was
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: the original four done? Like O two, three, four, I
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: can't remember, yep, but he really, like I think he
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: said in his book too, It's like I just didn't
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: feel like it was time it was done for that era.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: But I sat era left right any kid? His voice
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: was really good right up until six so seven maybe yeah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: those last two albums right right?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess do you guys want to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: even comment on the on the lip syncing thing?
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Can we do? Can we can? We just? Can we
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: finish up? I don't think we talked about Monster. Can
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: we finish up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Please? All right, let's let's wrap up the discography
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: since we started from the yeah, the first one. When
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Monster first came out, I was like, Okay, this isn't bad.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: The production's terrible, Like Zous said, every instrument bleeds together.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: There's no separation of sound. But and I went through
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: a phase where I thought the album was terrible, and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: then I listened to it again and I'm like, some
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: of these songs are actually really good. Back to the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Stone Age, take Me Down, but oh last Chance, you know,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: hell or Hallelujah. It's like, it's kick ass kiss, It's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's party kiss, It's I want to get laid kiss.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: You know. I like the Tommy Fayer song out of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: This World. It's just a production, sounds like ass long
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: way downs, good, long way down. Yeah, it's the song.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: To me.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I think the songs are much better than the Sonic
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Boom songs. Wow, he's wrong, He's wrong, That's why, and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: that's why we have a show. Eric.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're just to comment though on the lip
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: syncing thing. I mean, should should Paul have just just
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: step down?
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  Speaker 3: That is what it is at this point. Either you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: want to just be a miserable fuck the rest of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: your life and pick out stupid shiit just to file.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: Oh that's not really him, that's not that, that's not
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: like all right, buddy, Like you know what do I
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: wish he could still sing like he could in the eighties, yes,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: but he can't. I'm still gonna take the show. But
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: in general, because he got so much ship, that's why
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I think he wanted to wrap this ship up. He
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: didn't want more focus on everyone over exais amming is
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: that Paul singing and dealing with this ship, playing to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: tracks and doing all that shit. He just wants this
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: done and people talk about his legacy and sell some
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: art and ride his bicycle in eat Gelatto like you
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: don't give a fuck.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I tell you. At the end of the day, man,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: I think I thank him all for the original guys,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: all the guys who were there for those years. But
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Paul had the one of the fucking best voices in
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: rock a long time, like a long time, and he's
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: great showman, and he just he brought it every night,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: as did Gene and you know those two guys, man,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: they were just I always rooted for them in the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: eighties because all these bands that grew up watching them
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: were bigger than they were. But yet it was like,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: you know, they were they were the guys you'd salute and.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Say, yeah, totally.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: You know, without you guys, we're not here like Poison,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: you know, what I mean. It's like the man you love,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: you hate poison. I like poison.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I hate that. I hate that. Still relevant, that's
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: what I hate that.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's okay. They have some fun songs.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: They should they should have they should have gone the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: way of like fucking Bullet Boys or something like that.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: Because of them, they took down a lot of other
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: good bands, because people throw them in that silly category.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: My mind blow. My brother's a teacher, he teaches second grade,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: and the other night he's telling me the kids, he's asking,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: what are your favorite bands?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Poison? That's terrible, that's bad.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: That kid's getting his ass.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: That kid's getting beat up with his own shoe in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the in the playground.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, whoa man, that's pretty okay, Yeah, okay.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: He's gonna get beat up with Ricky Rockets fucking.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Purse, Ricky Rocket. All right, guys, this was awesome. Thanks
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: so much. I know I thought kept you longer than
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: we thought. We're gonna do sixty minutes and can we
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: get do this all day? You Raise your Glass is
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: a celebration of fifty years of kiss songs by celebrities, musicians,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: and fans, and it's out now and you can find
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: wherever books are sold and where can people find you
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: guys online plug the podcast, The floor is yours.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so go to our website shut it Out, loudcast
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: dot com that you can find all of our information.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: We're very active on social media Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, threads,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: very active on there. You can buy our book on Amazon.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: There's a link directly on our landing page for our website.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: You can buy direct from there. So please check it out.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Raise your glasses. If you're a Kiss fan, you don't
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: have this book, you are absolutely missing out, so please
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: check it out.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, zoos anything you want.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: To add now, Eric, I just want to say thank
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: you so much. Thank you to the Break James Campion
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: who introduced UF. I mean, we could have done this
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: all night, but I appreciate you giving it so much time.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Eric.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: We'll have you on some time to talk some kids
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: the Kiss.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: So you want to talk Van Halen, you just say
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the word.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Guys love it. Eric, Thank you so much. Really appreciate
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: the time, buddy. That's it. It's in the book. Esh