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Ep. 733: Dispatches from Africa - Anti-Poaching With A Side Of Black Mamba · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to flop four of our dispatches from Africa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined here to talk about poaching in Africa and
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  Speaker 1: anti poaching efforts in Africa with Joe ash Bomo, known
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  Speaker 1: as JJ around these parts, who works with Robin Hurt
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  Speaker 1: Safaris on community development projects and anti poaching efforts. And
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit about how those
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  Speaker 1: two things actually have something to do with with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into that subject, I want to remind
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  Speaker 1: everyone right now we have the raffle is open. The
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  Speaker 1: window to buy raffle tickets is open for our annual
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  Speaker 1: TRCP fundraiser Turkey Hunt. For many years now, we run
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  Speaker 1: a raffle where and we pick a winner and that
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  Speaker 1: winter brings along a friend to go turkey hunting with me.
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  Speaker 1: And the honis you tell us when you win, you
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  Speaker 1: and your friend. We cover your airfare, We hook you
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  Speaker 1: up with any gear you might need for the trip.
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  Speaker 1: We cover the price of your turkey tag, We cover food, lodging, everything,
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  Speaker 1: We pay you. You don't pay anything. We pay everything
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  Speaker 1: for you, guys to come turkey hunt. You'll spend three
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  Speaker 1: nights with us. We'll have two full days of turkey hunting.
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  Speaker 1: We do it every year. We bounce around different spots
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  Speaker 1: we want to hunt. We always have a ton of luck.
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  Speaker 1: The raffle is open from now to the end of July.
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  Speaker 1: All the expenses for the turkey hunt are covered by
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  Speaker 1: a donor a buddy mine covers all the expenses. All
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  Speaker 1: of the raffle ticket money goes directly to TRCP and
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  Speaker 1: trcp's uh you know, their slogan again is guaranteeing Americans
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  Speaker 1: quality places the hunting fish. All the money stays on
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  Speaker 1: mission when you buy a raffle ticket. The recent public
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  Speaker 1: lands fight that we lived through, TRCP was front and
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  Speaker 1: center and getting that squared away and leading us to
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  Speaker 1: a big victory in that battle. So get your raffle tickets.
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  Speaker 1: Now back to the subject, you joy as you you're Tanzania.
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  Speaker 2: Born, Yeah, somet okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How did you? How did you ever get into the
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  Speaker 1: career that you're in? Like? What what led you down
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  Speaker 1: that path?
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  Speaker 3: I stuted out in community development. I joined Robin hatw
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  Speaker 3: had left foundation as an int okay, yeah, like twelve
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  Speaker 3: years ago. So we were doing community jects in the
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  Speaker 3: communities that surround the areas that Robin had Safaris has
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  Speaker 3: for hunting. So that's how I got in and also
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  Speaker 3: I did I was doing also anti poaching patrols, mostly
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  Speaker 3: in this area. I've done quite a bit of patrols.
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  Speaker 1: You've been doing patrols here patrol Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing it, yeah for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, in the US, when we hear poaching in Africa, right,
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  Speaker 1: nine out of ten people their mind goes to elfant
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  Speaker 1: ivory and rhino horns. How is that accurate? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in what ways? Is it a more complicated picture than that,
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  Speaker 1: like like, but that is what people think when they
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  Speaker 1: hear those words.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the largely the poaching in Tanzania is is
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  Speaker 3: just for substinence, but then you have the big poachers
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  Speaker 3: will go for the elephants and the rhinos. Of course
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  Speaker 3: there's not any more rhinos left. Yeah, but that was
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  Speaker 3: in the seventies and eighties. There has been elephant poaching
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  Speaker 3: for but we haven't had any incident for the last
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  Speaker 3: ten years, we haven't had any incident.
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  Speaker 2: With elephant poaching.
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  Speaker 3: And also the government really came down hard on elephant
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  Speaker 3: poaching and rhino poaching.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is poaching today? You deal with?
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  Speaker 3: Well, poaching today? What to deal with. What to deal
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  Speaker 3: with is mostly for I can say it's there's a
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  Speaker 3: market for game meat, which is usually buffalo or any
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  Speaker 3: animal that they can get on a snare. So, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a belief, like in giraffe meat that it has
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  Speaker 3: some healing capabilities, so then there's a market also for that. So,
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  Speaker 3: but it's usually for the meat. That's what most of
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  Speaker 3: the poachers go for. It's it's like a black market,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So they hunt and they poach and they
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  Speaker 3: sell the meat to various places in a black market.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, is it? Is it common you'd be able to
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  Speaker 1: go into a city or a town in Tanzania and
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  Speaker 1: if you looked around you would find game animals for
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  Speaker 1: sale and the open or is it? Is it more discreet?
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  Speaker 3: No, it is very very discrete. Yeah, they don't do
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  Speaker 3: it in the open. A few years ago the government
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  Speaker 3: opened up gay meat butcheries so that to give the
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  Speaker 3: local people a chance for so to get an animal. Legally,
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  Speaker 3: there are places where the locals can can go and hunt.
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  Speaker 3: They get a permit, they go with a government game
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  Speaker 3: scout and they can hunt an animal. And yeah, if
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  Speaker 3: you have the if you have the license, then you
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  Speaker 3: can you can sell it, but it's not that much.
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  Speaker 3: It's very rare, so most of the game meat is
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  Speaker 3: sold very discreetly, and to select a number of people
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  Speaker 3: who I think the Pachas have some sort of relationship with.
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  Speaker 1: We've in the time I've been hanging around here, I've
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  Speaker 1: heard a number of people mentioned snaring. In the US,
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  Speaker 1: and in most states you can set you can set
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  Speaker 1: snares for fur bearing animals. It's very regulated. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are talking about a type of snaring that
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  Speaker 1: it's more meant to just well one to catch like
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  Speaker 1: large game, big game animals, to catch me animals. How
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  Speaker 1: are the snares employed? What are they made of? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what does it look like when you encounter a snare
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  Speaker 1: set up?
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  Speaker 3: It's, uh, they use wire, so it's they put it
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  Speaker 3: close to watahs and on the on river beds, so
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a waya that's it's round.
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  Speaker 2: And then the animal goes in. It starts to.
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  Speaker 1: Show me how big they make the.
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  Speaker 3: The loop can be quite big, you know, it can
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  Speaker 3: be like it's it's big. It's it's like this big.
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  Speaker 3: So even a buffalo head can go so you can, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they'll snare something that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they can, Yeah, they can do it.
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  Speaker 1: And then you also I hear guys talk about a
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  Speaker 1: muzzle order. Yes, now we can buy a muzzle order. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right at the store. Yes, these are not store about.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Usually you find that a lot of the people with
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  Speaker 3: muzzle loaders, they they got the skilled down from their grandparents,
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  Speaker 3: so they can make one and they use like a
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  Speaker 3: piece of metal this big and put it in there
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  Speaker 3: like a bullet and they have gunpowder and they shoot
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  Speaker 3: it out. Others have some very old, very old muzzle loaders,
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  Speaker 3: which I believe that they got from You know, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people from this area during the First World Wow,
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  Speaker 3: they were used as the as fighting during the First
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  Speaker 3: World the First World War in Africa, and they said
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  Speaker 3: so they were part of the German German local army
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  Speaker 3: and later on they became the kings of African rifles.
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  Speaker 3: So some of them came back home with the with
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  Speaker 3: them as all and so it got handed down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, you find them from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're you're out of patrol, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: do will do thirty day patrols, yes, and and and
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  Speaker 1: in necessary you're patrolling I keep telling this like to
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  Speaker 1: our audience. I keep trying to explain, like this this
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  Speaker 1: reserve that we're on, Yes, it borders a large national
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  Speaker 1: park on one of its borders. It's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: game reserve. That's the size of we have a very
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  Speaker 1: large famous park called Yellowstone National Park the US. It's
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  Speaker 1: that size. Yes, you do thirty day patrols. Yes, Let's
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  Speaker 1: say you you catch somebody, Okay, you encounter poetrycoun guy
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  Speaker 1: in camp. He's got a llegal, he's got snare equipment,
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  Speaker 1: he's got me is it are you at liberty to
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  Speaker 1: make an arrest? Like? How do you approach the situation?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do when you find someone?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, during our patrols, we have two to four government
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  Speaker 3: game scouts. They're the ones legally who are allowed to
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  Speaker 3: apprehend a person who is caught poaching or doing any
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  Speaker 3: anything illegal. So as soon as we get the guy
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  Speaker 3: or culprits, we have twenty four hours to present him,
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  Speaker 3: uh to to to the relevant authorities.
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  Speaker 1: You can detain twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we do during the twenty four hours
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  Speaker 3: we will do our best to make our way out
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  Speaker 3: of the area and go and he goes to the
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  Speaker 3: police station and he stays there until then the evidence
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  Speaker 3: comes in and then it becomes a court case from there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what kind of fine Like, let let's take
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  Speaker 1: let's take something in the extreme. Uh, there's Girafts here,
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  Speaker 1: we see him most days. Yeah, it's the national animal. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it'd be like our equivalent would be the bald
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  Speaker 1: eagle or national bird. If you kill a bald eagle,
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  Speaker 1: you're in a ton of trouble. You catch a guy
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  Speaker 1: with something like that, what sort of like, what is
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  Speaker 1: the punishment that if you've got a good case and
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  Speaker 1: you can prove it, what would be the punishment for
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  Speaker 1: something like that?
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  Speaker 3: A punishment for that is close to twenty is in jail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I keep hearing. You know guys at Robin Hurtsafaris,
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  Speaker 1: how about that. A lot of staff people they hire
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  Speaker 1: would be people that reformed poachers. Maybe people kids that
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  Speaker 1: start out poaching at a very young age, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen years old, that kind of get brought on
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  Speaker 1: and cultivated and given like career positions within the organization. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what are they getting caught doing that that you would
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  Speaker 1: not that they wouldn't have to go off to jail
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  Speaker 1: for a number years, but that they have an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to come, you know, be out in the bush and
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  Speaker 1: work with wildlife, but work in a productive way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well you find them, you are somewhere
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  Speaker 3: caught setting up snaares. Others you find maybe they were
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  Speaker 3: holding the game meet, you know, because if for example,
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  Speaker 3: they poach a buffalo, they'll stay out in the field,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to dry it out and everything, then put
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  Speaker 3: it in sacks, and so they need guys to move
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  Speaker 3: the sacks out. So you find kids like that, You
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  Speaker 3: might catch a kid so and and some of them
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  Speaker 3: don't even know if they're doing something that's illegal. So
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  Speaker 3: after we educate them and rehabilitate them, then we give
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  Speaker 3: them an opportunity, so they join our anti poaching units.
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  Speaker 3: That's where most of the guys that you have hunting
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  Speaker 3: with you started from. So they started they starting that
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  Speaker 3: poaching unit. And as they progress they go they become
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  Speaker 3: trackers because also they have they are very good with
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  Speaker 3: the area because they've.
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  Speaker 2: Been there since they were young.
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  Speaker 3: And also they are very good trackers in following up
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  Speaker 3: looking at the animal trucks.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a benefit.
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  Speaker 3: So you just show them that you know, if you
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  Speaker 3: do it this way, it's legal and it's going to
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  Speaker 3: benefit you and your family instead of doing this which
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  Speaker 3: you might end up in jail, so it's.
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  Speaker 2: A better option for them.
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  Speaker 1: Next, talk about what community development means and how does
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  Speaker 1: like what is the relationship between community development and anti pouching.
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  Speaker 3: The word that we use is community based conservation. So
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  Speaker 3: what we do is we help the communities in projects
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  Speaker 3: for them to see the actual benefits that come from
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  Speaker 3: protecting the wildlife. You know, the projects come from the
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  Speaker 3: communities around so if they can see a direct benefit
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  Speaker 3: comes from preserving and conserving the wildlife that they have,
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  Speaker 3: or even helping us in finding out about the purchase.
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  Speaker 3: Like two months ago, we got information about people with
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  Speaker 3: two muzle loaders and they were caught before they could
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  Speaker 3: do anything, and it was because of the community informing
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  Speaker 3: our antipproaching units about such people. So it's projects, it's schools.
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  Speaker 3: We've built schools in this area. We've built health dispensaries,
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  Speaker 3: we are currently working on renovating one in the village
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  Speaker 3: that we went to in Lumbey, and we've set up waterwils.
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  Speaker 3: We've supported children who have finished primary school going into
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  Speaker 3: secondary school. So these benefits which the community can see
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  Speaker 3: and touch, the tangible benefits that come from them partnering
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  Speaker 3: with us in protect the wildlife and the area, so
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  Speaker 3: that whatever that's got from hunters who come that there's
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  Speaker 3: a percentage that goes back to the community, so it's
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  Speaker 3: a direct benefit to them. So in that way, they
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  Speaker 3: help us in being also custodians and fellow protectors of
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  Speaker 3: the wildlife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you find in the surrounding communities that you're
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  Speaker 1: working that areas benefactive, Like, do people wind up having
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  Speaker 1: a positive attitude towards the wild landscapes there here? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, people are very positive. But as in everything,
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  Speaker 3: there's always a few characters who always find a way
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  Speaker 3: because you find it's something that they've been doing for
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  Speaker 3: generations and generations. To them, it's just a way of life,
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  Speaker 3: approaching illegal fishing and you know, illegal timber harvesting. So
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  Speaker 3: there's still a few, you know, characters who haven't it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't really gotten into their heads. But for the most part,
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  Speaker 3: the communities are very receptive and very supportive of what
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  Speaker 3: we do over here.
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  Speaker 1: I want to back up a minute. There's the thing
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  Speaker 1: I failed to ask you about you just brought up.
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  Speaker 4: There's a big fishing component here, yes, because you're on
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  Speaker 4: a very large lake, there's a river system, and there
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  Speaker 4: is legal fishing. Yes there is, okay, but you're still
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  Speaker 4: patrol and you guys patrol and regulate the fishing. And
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  Speaker 4: where I live, it would be that we have game
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  Speaker 4: wardens hired by the different states, and the game wardens
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  Speaker 4: patrol the waterways and it's checking licenses, checking what equipment
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  Speaker 4: you use, checking that you have fish you're allowed to have.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have too many, right, Yes, they're just doing
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  Speaker 1: that work all the time, and they interact with fishermen. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and that's sounds very.
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  Speaker 3: Similar basically the same thing. We Also what we do
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  Speaker 3: is we facilitate the government game offices so that we
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  Speaker 3: go with them and also you find that we have
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  Speaker 3: we have more of a feel of the area. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the game scouts come and go, they get changed, so
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  Speaker 3: we have our teams with them even on the water
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  Speaker 3: and they check you have to have a valid license,
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  Speaker 3: and we have to check the type of fish you caught.
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  Speaker 3: There's also the size of the net that you have
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  Speaker 3: so that you don't catch the small fish. So we
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  Speaker 3: it's almost the same thing as you described. We we
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  Speaker 3: we have to do that on the lake and also
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  Speaker 3: on the river. And also even by doing that, it's
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  Speaker 3: also because poaching if it can't come in, and if
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  Speaker 3: they can't come in on land, then they'll they'll come
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  Speaker 3: in through the water. So by having patrols, then we
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  Speaker 3: have a way of controlling the guys who would come
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  Speaker 3: and poach and then put it on a boat and
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  Speaker 3: go and go out.
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  Speaker 2: So it helps.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Is there anything I missed that you feel like
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  Speaker 1: you should tell me about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, not really, Moan.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk like Morgan Potter's not here. Okay, Morgan Potter
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  Speaker 1: tells us all about we got a little worked up
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  Speaker 1: about black mamas just from hearing the bottom, reading the bottom,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, you'll never see one, okay, right away, there's
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  Speaker 1: a damn black mama right in uddle of the road.
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  Speaker 1: How many black Like, how many black mambas per day
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  Speaker 1: are you running into.
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  Speaker 2: In a normal day? Went running into one? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: How many per week?
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  Speaker 2: Per week? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Like for the week, I've had running into two and
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  Speaker 3: uh and one of them really chased us.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a.
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  Speaker 1: It's a so I didn't know, but I had heard
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  Speaker 1: of black mamas. I knew they were bad or like
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  Speaker 1: I knew there was like a snake to be wrackinged with. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they run their neck up like lockness monster. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they stunned with the crews around with their head like
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  Speaker 1: up here. Yeah, they could stand on their tail like
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  Speaker 1: literally they're like an attack. Oh yeah, it is. It's
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  Speaker 1: quite aggressive, very territorial.
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  Speaker 3: Chases people around, chases people can't even chase the car.
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  Speaker 2: It can't even Yeah, it can go up to you.
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  Speaker 1: You'll never see one. Yeah, here's the funniest part about
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  Speaker 1: the funniest part about we see a black mom. But yeah, he,
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  Speaker 1: like the black mom like honestly considers attacking our car. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he like runs through his mind. He false charges the
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  Speaker 1: car and then goes off. And then we like drive
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  Speaker 1: off and we don't go a mile and someone looks
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  Speaker 1: out the side of the road there's another one and
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  Speaker 1: Morgan's like, no, that's a that's a cobra.
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  Speaker 2: Cobra.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think if you, if you, if you
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  Speaker 3: had to choose, you're better off meeting a cobra than
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  Speaker 3: than than a black mom.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's it's really it's we call it over here.
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  Speaker 3: Sudden death, you know, yeah, sudden death. But you have
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  Speaker 3: traditional helas. We'll say they can fix you up, fix
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  Speaker 3: you up, but you're never sure up about it.
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  Speaker 1: Inter snake we saw it was seem very benign. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know they're not, but he seemed very like just
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  Speaker 1: a chill snake because we saw a puff adder.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's very chill. You know.
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  Speaker 3: He can you can want trouble. Yeah, you can even
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  Speaker 3: step on him and he won't do anything to you.
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  Speaker 3: But a black mamba, you startled it or you're just
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  Speaker 3: like in its surroundings and like it's coming back.
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  Speaker 2: To its whole. Like bug here, it would really chase
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  Speaker 2: us away. Here.
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  Speaker 1: This one was going down the road and we pulled
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  Speaker 1: up on it, and he turns and comes back towards Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the truck.
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  Speaker 3: It's not scared of anything. Yeah, that's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: About respect for him. Yeah, but then you've been in
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: this business twelve years. Yeah, you do mega patrols out here,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you do long patrols out here. You've never been struck
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: by one.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be here if I was so.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's proof I've never been struck by one.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: We've we've had close clothes earlier. This.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, some of our guys were chasing a poacher
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and as soon as they got close to him, he
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he did. He turned around and was going towards the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: vehicle on it on his own. It's because he had
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: seen a black number. So when the guys got there,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: it stood up, and so they also started running back.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And it's very rare for it to happen. But as
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: soon as they get to the to the pickup, they
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: found that there was another one close by, so it
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: also stood up. So it was a bit of a
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: crazy day. Luckily no one was bitten.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: We have a we have a similar animal in the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: northern We have a mountain range called the Rocky Mountains,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and in the northern end of the Rocky Mountains we
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: have a bear called a grizzy berry.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. Uh.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: People that live around there are generally very relaxed, so like, sure,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you see him, it doesn't mean it's going to kill you. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you just get used to it. And then people come
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: from far away and they go there and all they
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: talk about is grizzly bears, and then people that live
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: there get annoyed with them for talking about grizzly bears.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: All the time. Were those guys, were those guys about
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: black mams?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but but even the you know, the people
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: around here who live around here, that's really one one
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: snake that they're really scared of.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That's the truth. Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So you can find a few brave people who are
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: ready to confront it, but most would rather just go
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: the other way. Yeah, it's it's really scary. Yeah, that's
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: the truth. We U There's a guy, a honey guy
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: that was beaten two weeks ago because sometimes they go
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and stay inside a beehive. So while he was opening
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: it up, it struck him and.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He how ells, he get into the beehive, it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Goes up, climbs up the tree because the behave is
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: on top of and goes inside there. It seems the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: bees no, don't mind him, but don't mind it. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: he opened it up up and it struck him and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: three hours later he was he was dead. Yeah, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: and for me three hours, I'm like, oh, okay, it
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: took a while because it's usually thirty to forty forty
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: five minutes, I know, but yeah, I was also surprised
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: that three hours Okay, yeah, but yeah, so it's it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: a very dangerous snake. They are not so many. They
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: are very rare, and they only come out early in
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the morning during the day and later in the evening
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they go back.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, right, well, thanks for the thanks for the conversation.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you for.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Your efforts on behalf Wildlife. Yeah, thanks for your efforts
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: at making us see more chill about black moms. I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: actually pretty chill about black Yeah. I know, I like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I don't, I have no problem. Yeah, it's skinning. Yeahs
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Kanny Seth run around.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It's real, baby, I'm sure it's it's a real adrenaline
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: adrenaline russion.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's good for that, good for that. It's like bungee jumping.