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Ep. 38: Where the Jaguars Stand After the Bye | Jags A.M. Podcast · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Welcome and to Jags am kind honest gave me here
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Speaker 1: with Brian next and John Osier, and we are back
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Speaker 1: were fresh renewed from by week as we get ready
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Speaker 1: for Week ten of the NFL season. And I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: speak for everybody and say, we're pretty happy with where
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Speaker 1: the team is at right now at six and two,
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Speaker 1: especially when you watch some of the other games like
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Speaker 1: I did this weekend, you're definitely more appreciative of where
0:37
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are at. At least I'll speak for you
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Speaker 1: guys and say that, cause some of those teams they're
0:41
Speaker 1: struggling right now.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and and it's it's my hot takes, so
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold off.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what did you get to do on your week off? John?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 4: I went to porch Fest and Springfield and I watched
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Speaker 4: a little NFL yesterday. Okay, look, uh, the Jags are
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Speaker 4: good and it was nice to watch. Obviously Jaguars play
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Speaker 4: knowing that they were either gonna be two and a
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Speaker 4: half three games up their two games up. And I'm
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Speaker 4: getting some emails from people, why aren't the Jaguars playing
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Speaker 4: as good as this team? Why aren't they playing as
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Speaker 4: good as this team. Why did Trevor Lawrence CJ.
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Speaker 5: Strett.
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Speaker 4: Look, they're six and two, they've won eleven of their
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Speaker 4: last thirteen. They're fine. They're winning games the way they've
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Speaker 4: been winning. Yeah, and now they have a tough stretch
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Speaker 4: and I'm getting emails about that too, Ryan, Oh, it's
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Speaker 4: a tough stretch.
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Speaker 5: It's the NFL. It's supposed to be hard.
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Speaker 2: No rookie quarterback has ever played like CJ. Strouded yesterday.
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Speaker 2: That's a revelation.
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Speaker 1: That was something to watch for sure, And we'll get
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Speaker 1: to that a little bit later on in the show.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with our big things this week, Fell is
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Speaker 1: to go into week ten. They're back at it. That's
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Speaker 1: our big thing because after the bye week they have
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Speaker 1: not much time to get back into it before they're
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Speaker 1: going up against the forty nine ers on Sunday, and
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Speaker 1: that is certainly going to be a big game. Brian.
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Speaker 1: We had this one circled down our schedule beforehand, and
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Speaker 1: you know, the forty nine ers coming off of by
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Speaker 1: as well, so they've had some time to get well.
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Speaker 1: This is going to be a good game.
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Speaker 2: We spent so much time Kay talking about old the
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Speaker 2: games they played in that compressed period of time. What
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Speaker 2: which is three and twelve days four in nineteen Now
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Speaker 2: they'll play their first game or their second game, I
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Speaker 2: should say in twenty four days, right, So they've had
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Speaker 2: plenty of time to get guys who were banged up
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Speaker 2: or injured ready to practice this week and find out
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Speaker 2: whether they can come back and play. Plus, you just
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Speaker 2: spent the weekend watching some of the best teams. That
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Speaker 2: Miami Kansas City game yesterday, you know, the Baltimore Seattle game.
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Speaker 2: These guys want to get back out of the field
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Speaker 2: because they want to play. They want to see where
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Speaker 2: they match up.
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Speaker 5: John.
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Speaker 1: Any chance they got out of focus in this time
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Speaker 1: off or do you think they'll be all set?
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Speaker 4: Look, if if they win Sunday, then the bi will
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Speaker 4: have been great. If they lose, they got out of focus,
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Speaker 4: they didn't it, that will be the narrative whether that's
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Speaker 4: to I don't worry about this team being ready, I
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Speaker 4: don't worry about it being focused.
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Speaker 5: Whatever. The forty nine ers are good. They might lose.
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Speaker 4: They also might win because the Jaguars are gonna think
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Speaker 4: it'd be that kind of a game. But I don't
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Speaker 4: think I'll have anything to do with lack of focus.
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Speaker 4: I think this buy can only help this team to
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Speaker 4: get healthy.
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Speaker 2: And I think when you look at Doug Peterson and
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Speaker 2: his body at work as both a player and a coach,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's been in this league since nineteen ninety one,
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Speaker 2: so he has seen it all and he understands he's
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Speaker 2: gone through two by weeks and one by week and
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Speaker 2: how to put it all together. He'll have this team
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Speaker 2: ready to get to practice field this week and then
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Speaker 2: you get a San Francisco team that's lost three in
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Speaker 2: a row coming across the country right to play a
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Speaker 2: ten am game. But they're really still very good. Don't
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Speaker 2: let anybody tell you that they're not.
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Speaker 1: They're certainly going to be dangerous no matter who's out
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Speaker 1: on the field for them. Our second big thing this
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Speaker 1: week is deadline addition, because it's been about a week
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Speaker 1: since we've talked to you guys, and trade deadline has
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Speaker 1: come and gone on Halloween and there was an addition
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Speaker 1: to this team, maybe not what people expected, but they
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Speaker 1: added to the offensive line. Doug Peterson was actually on
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Speaker 1: the Pat McAfee show at the time the trade was announced.
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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that is expectations, and you know, obviously
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Speaker 3: getting a good player to come in here and help us.
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Speaker 3: And we've already got a good offensive line, and Ezra
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Speaker 3: can come in and give us some really good depth
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Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of getting him caught up
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Speaker 3: and get him getting getting him in the room.
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Speaker 6: You know, with a with a really good offensive line,
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Speaker 6: guys like Brandon Shriff, I mean, he he's the leader
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Speaker 6: in there, and Luke Fortner and you know, I mean
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Speaker 6: you look at these guys, Cam Robinson, I mean, Walker Little.
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Speaker 3: These guys are just busting their tail every week. So
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Speaker 3: getting a guy like Ezra his caliber, we got a
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Speaker 3: you know, a starting type guard really really solidifies, you know,
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Speaker 3: solidifies our offensive line and makes us better.
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Speaker 1: Love the Halloween costumes there on the Pat McFee show,
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Speaker 1: they did add to the offensive line, John, that was
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Speaker 1: something we talked about maybe if you can find somebody
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Speaker 1: to add there, that would certainly be helpful to the
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Speaker 1: depth of this team. That's an issue they've had throughout
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Speaker 1: the season. Is this guy gonna help out there?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I give some options. I don't really have a
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Speaker 4: great feel yet for whether it's going to be him.
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be Walker Little left guard bare minimum. It
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Speaker 4: gives them options. I think they learned last year that
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Speaker 4: they need in the second half the season two guys
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Speaker 4: that can I mean, three offensive tackles and three swing
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Speaker 4: players that they like, and now they Tyler Satley in
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Speaker 4: there with Cleveland. It gives them the depth and it
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Speaker 4: might make them stronger on the interior, which is why
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Speaker 4: Little might be the odd man out for a week
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Speaker 4: or to until they figure this thing out.
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Speaker 2: He's a good player, whether he'd be ready to go
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Speaker 2: this week or not. I think most people have probably
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Speaker 2: heard that he and Rausch were together for a time
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Think big picture on this one as well.
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Speaker 2: They need guards. Brandon SHARE's not likely to be here
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Speaker 2: because of his cap number next year, and Tyler Shatley
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Speaker 2: is a free agent next year. He's George the end
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Speaker 2: of his contract, and Walker Little is really a tackle
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Speaker 2: and Cam Robinson has a big number, so you need
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Speaker 2: bodies at guard. Cooper Hodges is a guy that they
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Speaker 2: have a lot of hope for, and Cleveland is a
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Speaker 2: guy who's a second round pick and is a really
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Speaker 2: good player. So I get it. It's a play for
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Speaker 2: today because we're focused on this season. And playing for
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Speaker 2: this season, but it's also a play for the future
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Speaker 2: because if over the next nine games he plays well,
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Speaker 2: he's the guy that you can work into your salary
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Speaker 2: structure and go forward with. He's a big guy, he's
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Speaker 2: talented guy. A lot of people that I talked to
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Speaker 2: you last week we're surprised that he gained for just
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Speaker 2: a sixth round pick, thought maybe he was worth a
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Speaker 2: little bit more than that.
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Speaker 1: And as we've seen the depth of something we definitely
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Speaker 1: need because as soon as we got Cam Robinson Backwalker
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Speaker 1: Little goes out with an injury. So this has been
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Speaker 1: an issue point for the team, so certainly doesn't hurt
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Speaker 1: to get a little extra help in that position. Our
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Speaker 1: final big thing though, is standing pat because while they
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Speaker 1: did add to the offensive line, they did not choose
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Speaker 1: to go after a pass rush. Daniel Hunter was out there.
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Speaker 1: There was talks rumors that the Daguars were involved in that,
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Speaker 1: but Brian, they decided to stay with their guys here
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Speaker 1: and not really go after a big name.
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Speaker 2: Well where in the street. Hunter was not available last week.
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Speaker 2: If they were only looking at a first round pick
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Speaker 2: for a guy, and no one was going to throw
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Speaker 2: that out there, especially when you saw the Commanders get
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Speaker 2: a second and a third round pick for their two
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Speaker 2: pass rushers, Kai, I think overall, since the Jaguars didn't
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Speaker 2: have two, three and four available, they weren't willing to
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Speaker 2: send a first round pick for a pass rusher that
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Speaker 2: might just be a short term deal for them. Plus,
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Speaker 2: you saw what Sweat got. He got a four year,
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Speaker 2: ninety eight million dollar deal from the Cleveland or from
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Speaker 2: the Chicago Bay and John, when you look at all
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Speaker 2: the players that the Jaguars want to pay next year,
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Speaker 2: we've talked about it. You've got quarterback, wide receiver, perhaps,
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Speaker 2: defensive back, offensive lineman, pass rusher. How are you gonna
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Speaker 2: work that huge undery into your structure with the guys
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Speaker 2: that you want to keep.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's difficult.
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Speaker 4: It would have been difficult to bring a pass rusher
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Speaker 4: in and say, hey, pass rusher, here's a nice big contract.
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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, hang tight, you know, because you're talking around
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Speaker 4: here for the last two years about trying to pay
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Speaker 4: your guys and being a draft and developed team, and
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Speaker 4: then the first guy you pay is a trade and
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Speaker 4: develop Well, it gets what Brian trade develop is not drafted,
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Speaker 4: who trade develops, trade develop I'm also not surprised they
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Speaker 4: didn't do it, because again I keep going back, they
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Speaker 4: don't think that their pass rush is a weakness. They
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Speaker 4: think that their front seven overall, the disruption that they
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Speaker 4: create is maybe the strength of the team right now.
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Speaker 4: So I get you could have added one more piece,
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Speaker 4: and why didn't you go make the move? All it
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Speaker 4: says Chips all In. Well, I get Chips all In,
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Speaker 4: but I also get that Trevor Lawrence is in his
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Speaker 4: third year. Yeah, and you also envision this thing being
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Speaker 4: a fifteen year Trevor Lawrence window, not a twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: three window where it has to happen right now. Everything
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Speaker 4: else is nothing else matters, Briandan. They're not else man.
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Speaker 5: They're not in that.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's about this year because it's six and two.
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Speaker 2: You're right there, and I think everybody would say the
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Speaker 2: Jaguars are a legitimate contender, But it can't be all
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Speaker 2: about this year, especially with the players that you want
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Speaker 2: to play and John going.
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Speaker 5: Forward, they're also a legitimate contender with this group. What's it? Right?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 5: That's it?
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Speaker 2: And you don't want to sacrifice the future for the president,
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Speaker 2: not in the third year. If he was at year
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Speaker 2: fifteen and you're trying to eke out something at the
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Speaker 2: end of his career. Well, yeah, then then you swing
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Speaker 2: for the fences. But I think it was a It
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Speaker 2: was predestined. You weren't going to get one of those
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Speaker 2: pass rushers for a fifth round pick, and you weren't
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Speaker 2: gonna give up your first round pick. You just weren't
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Speaker 2: gonna do it. But I think if people look at
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Speaker 2: it objectively, the salary that Sweat got in Chicago tells
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Speaker 2: you why the Jaguars couldn't do it right.
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Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be dishing out the money, I
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Speaker 1: would imagine you want to give that to your own
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Speaker 1: guy and Josh Allen with what he's been able to
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Speaker 1: do this season, all right, stay with us. Coming up
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Speaker 1: after the break, we're gonna look around the AFC South
9:18
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Speaker 1: right now. Welcome back to Jagsam. We're here in the
9:46
Speaker 1: Hundai studios after a bye week feeling very refreshed. We're
9:49
Speaker 1: happy to be back talking about football. And the Jags
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Speaker 1: didn't play, but there was a lot of stuff going
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Speaker 1: down in the AFC South this week. On Thursday Night Football,
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Speaker 1: we saw a team we just played in the Steelers,
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Speaker 1: facing off against the Titans. And Levis had those four
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Speaker 1: touchdowns in his first game. Didn't look quite as good
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Speaker 1: in his second game, but he still seems to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit better option I'm gonna speak and say
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Speaker 1: than what they have had at quarterback, and he seems
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Speaker 1: to open up some stuff for the Titans, who look
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Speaker 1: a little bit more dangerous than they have so far
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Speaker 1: this year.
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Speaker 2: Well, Tanne Hill's in the final year of his deals,
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Speaker 2: so you're obviously not going to go forward with a
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Speaker 2: thirty five year old quarterback that didn't get you over
10:22
Speaker 2: the hump. When I look at Will Levis, I see
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Speaker 2: a Ben Roethlisberger type quarterback. He's big, long, powerful as
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Speaker 2: a rocket for an arm. Now, he's not Roethlisberger, at
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Speaker 2: least not at this point his career obviously, but he
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Speaker 2: can make all the throws. What he's got to figure
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Speaker 2: out from what I hear is how to read the defense,
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Speaker 2: especially in the fourth quarter of a game in the
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Speaker 2: red zone, which he didn't do very well the other night.
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Speaker 2: But this was his second start. I mean, he he's
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Speaker 2: got a cannon. He's a nice looking player.
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Speaker 1: He'll stand in there and take a hit as well.
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Speaker 1: TJ and Watt was very complimentary of the opposing quarterback
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Speaker 1: in this game, and John, there's a lot of young
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the stiff all of a sudden that don't
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Speaker 1: look too bad.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Levis has arm talent. He gives them a shot,
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Speaker 4: and most importantly for the franchise, he gives them something
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Speaker 4: where they probably don't have to worry about going to
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Speaker 4: get quarterback this offseason so they can start building now.
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Speaker 4: They feel like they can be legitimate with this guy.
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Speaker 4: The Colts, I think, feel the same way about Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 4: There has to be major concerns with him hurt three
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Speaker 4: times early in his career and then out as a rookie.
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Speaker 4: He's got to come back and prove that that's not
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Speaker 4: what he is. Obviously, CJ. Stroud looked very good, didn't
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Speaker 4: look great the last two weeks. I'm getting a lot
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Speaker 4: of emails why can't Trevor do what CJ. Stroud did
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Speaker 4: because in the last five game he hasn't had to.
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Speaker 4: When you're down late in games, you have to throw
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Speaker 4: a lot. The Jaguars, remember, haven't been down in games,
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Speaker 4: so you're not gonna have four hundred and fifty yards
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Speaker 4: passing when you're up in the second half of games.
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Speaker 4: Usually those are usually these kind of games. So I'm
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Speaker 4: not worried. Jaguars fans have been bad for so long
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Speaker 4: that when they see another team excel, they think that
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Speaker 4: it's unfair that other team excels. But the Jaguars are
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Speaker 4: doing fine. There's anything wrong with Trevor Lawrence.
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Speaker 5: Just because CJ.
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Speaker 4: Stroud had four to seventy terror Lawrence was off, it
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Speaker 4: doesn't make Trevor Lawrence a bad quarter.
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Speaker 2: But not usually exclusive. Right. Look, here's the thing about Stroud,
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Speaker 2: and Jeff Loghman said this to me the week that
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Speaker 2: we saw them. He's an effortless passer. It makes it
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Speaker 2: look he makes it look pretty. He makes it look easy.
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Speaker 2: He's fearless, he loves the game. And you know what
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Speaker 2: he does. He throws out all those test scores because
12:39
Speaker 2: remember that was the knock on you that he didn't
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Speaker 2: test all that well. But when you listen to his
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Speaker 2: press conferences and you hear how articulate and intelligent and
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Speaker 2: well spoken the kid is, you realize this is everything
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Speaker 2: that you want. The arm, the person, the leader, the intellect,
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Speaker 2: the love of the game. What I see when I
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Speaker 2: watch him is, oh boy, we're gonna have some great
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Speaker 2: matchups in the AFS South, especially if Levis and Richardson
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Speaker 2: come along. You'll go from a quarterback desert right to
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Speaker 2: the oasis. It looks like it's gonna be a lot
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Speaker 2: of fun to line up against c J. Stroud. I
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Speaker 2: say that not being the defensive coordinator obviously, but if
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Speaker 2: you're a fan watching these games, I mean it's it
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Speaker 2: gives you real hope that this division is going to
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Speaker 2: be a lot of fun to watch.
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Speaker 4: And that's how Again, a lot of Jawars fans don't
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Speaker 4: feel that way. It's not fair that c. J. Strouds
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Speaker 4: and the division. Look, if you're it's part of my
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Speaker 4: hot take too. But if you're going to win the division,
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Speaker 4: it's not always going to be and it's not supposed
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Speaker 4: to be one team thirteen and four, right, and the
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Speaker 4: other team seven and may not seven and ten. This
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Speaker 4: is a hard league. You're supposed to have division rivalries
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Speaker 4: at the end. You're supposed to have stuff that's fun.
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Speaker 5: It's okay for c. J. Strow to be good.
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Speaker 2: The Jaguars can be bad, just a little perspective. I
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Speaker 2: can only think of two rookie quarterbacks where I went
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Speaker 2: whoa one was Roethlisberger who I mentioned earlier, who got
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Speaker 2: into the lineup, started as the third quarterback in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and four. Charlie Batch gets hurt, Tommy Maddox doesn't
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Speaker 2: play well. He goes in and they win thirteen games right,
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Speaker 2: eleven regular season, and he gets them to the AFC
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Speaker 2: Championship game where they lose to Tom Brady and the Patriots.
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Speaker 2: Of course he step that team had four Hall of
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Speaker 2: famers on it already, Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Alan Fanica,
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Speaker 2: and Troy Polamalu. So right then you get and it
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Speaker 2: wasn't really his rookie season. It was Pat Mahomes, who
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Speaker 2: started only one game as a rookie at the end
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Speaker 2: of the year, and then he gets into twenty eighteen. Johnny,
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Speaker 2: you think, well, he's gonna struggle, this is his first
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Speaker 2: year as a starter. Well he didn't. He took that
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Speaker 2: team to the AFC Championship Game. I don't think CJ.
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Speaker 2: Stroud's going to do that. The roster isn't good enough
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Speaker 2: in Houston. But it's good enough for him to go
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Speaker 2: and do something like that after two bad games, and
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Speaker 2: to do it again. We see them in a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks. I mean that he's really talented, really good.
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't take anything away from Trevor Lawrence either.
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Speaker 1: I think sometimes we have to forget people like all,
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Speaker 1: but I'm like, no, it's a good thing. It's a
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Speaker 1: good thing. You're going to be facing off against other
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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks in your own division. We talked about Iron
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Speaker 1: Sharpen's iron out here all the time. That's exactly what
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Speaker 1: you're going to see, especially when you're going up against
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Speaker 1: someone that you know you could be in a shootout
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Speaker 1: every time you have a game. When you'd see Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady and Peyton Manning in those shootouts, that made them better.
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Speaker 2: And then here's behind the scenes right, how the sausage
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Speaker 2: is made. The Texans are not a big draw when
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Speaker 2: they come here. They don't sell a ton of tickets
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Speaker 2: when they come here. The Jaguars usually. Last year the
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Speaker 2: Texans game was the salute to No sorry that sclute service.
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Speaker 2: It was the Baselli game. They wanted to sell more tickets,
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Speaker 2: so they had Biselli's bust here and they had the
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Speaker 2: alumni here. If that quarterback plays like that, you'll sell
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Speaker 2: tickets to the Texans game. It helps everybody. When you've
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Speaker 2: got good quarterback play in the division.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely a good thing elsewhere in the division. We've
15:45
Speaker 1: been talking about the Colts a little bit, maybe outperforming
15:47
Speaker 1: than what we thought they were going to do, especially
15:49
Speaker 1: with Anthony Richardson not going to be available for the
15:51
Speaker 1: rest of the season. But how about this defense we
15:53
Speaker 1: saw from them. Kennymore had two pick six touchdowns for them.
15:57
Speaker 1: I know Gardner Minshew's some more familiar with he's managing
15:59
Speaker 1: the game as manages a game, but when you get
16:01
Speaker 1: two pick six is from your defense, you're probably gonna
16:03
Speaker 1: win a football game. And from the same guy as well.
16:06
Speaker 1: Part of that's Bryce Young. Having Bryce Young rookie moments,
16:09
Speaker 1: but still that is impressive.
16:11
Speaker 2: Jaguars fans might be complaining about c J. Stroud, but
16:14
Speaker 2: if you're a panther span you have to be complaining.
16:18
Speaker 2: And we took Bryce Young who has not looked impressive
16:21
Speaker 2: yet this year.
16:22
Speaker 1: He hasn't and it's a tough situation to be in.
16:24
Speaker 1: And I'm a big proponent of you know, I don't
16:26
Speaker 1: expect rookies to come out and light the world on fire, either,
16:28
Speaker 1: so I think there's still time for Bryce Young. But
16:30
Speaker 1: it doesn't help when c J. Stroud is doing what
16:32
Speaker 1: he's been doing.
16:33
Speaker 5: Yeah the past right.
16:34
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a nice play with a Colt Savender,
16:36
Speaker 4: but it was also a phone right to him and
16:39
Speaker 4: he ran it back. So I think the Colts should
16:44
Speaker 4: be in the Jaguars rear view for the rest of
16:46
Speaker 4: the year.
16:46
Speaker 5: They've swept him.
16:47
Speaker 4: Jaguars have a lead unless something goes very wrong, and
16:49
Speaker 4: I worry about the Colts. The Texans are the team
16:52
Speaker 4: that because they beat Jaguars here, the Jaguars still have
16:57
Speaker 4: some work to do the sort of put them in
17:00
Speaker 4: the rear views. So beating them a couple of.
17:02
Speaker 5: Weeks, yeah, that's the work.
17:04
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17:06
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17:32
Speaker 1: We're off bye week. It's Monday. We're getting ready for
17:34
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers on Sunday. We've got some hot takes.
17:37
Speaker 1: You've had a whole week to brew on these hot takes. So, Brian,
17:40
Speaker 1: what was your kind of thoughts after this last week
17:42
Speaker 1: in games you watched? In your hot take this.
17:44
Speaker 2: Week, Jaguars fans be thankful for Trevor Lawrence. There was
17:48
Speaker 2: a lot of bad and backup quarterback play yesterday. Let
17:51
Speaker 2: me just go through the list of guys. Sam Howe
17:53
Speaker 2: for the Commanders, Mac Jones for the Patriots, Tommy DeVito
17:57
Speaker 2: for the Giants. Aiden O'Connell didn't play badly for the Raiders,
18:00
Speaker 2: but Aidan O'Connell, Tyler, Heineke, Clayton Tune, congratulations to Josh Dobbs,
18:06
Speaker 2: Brett Rippin, Tyler Bagen, Tyson badget the quarterback for the Bears.
18:12
Speaker 2: You get journeymen like Gardner Minshew, Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr.
18:16
Speaker 2: In other words, there are lots.
18:17
Speaker 5: Of teams they Cody Kessler play he should right.
18:21
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the list, right, A bunch of guys,
18:24
Speaker 2: none of whom you want as your starting quarterback. None
18:28
Speaker 2: of these guys you want as your starting quarterback. And
18:30
Speaker 2: the league yesterday had a lot of these guys in
18:33
Speaker 2: the same game. And how about in Deshaun Watson back
18:36
Speaker 2: before you're playing PJ. Walker. There are John There's always
18:39
Speaker 2: been a few of quarterbacks. You win because of a
18:44
Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks you can win with, and then some
18:46
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that you don't want, right And there are more
18:50
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who you don't want on the on the field
18:53
Speaker 2: right now than the quarterbacks that you can win with,
18:56
Speaker 2: let alone the ones you win because a lot of
18:59
Speaker 2: really apt merged to below average quarterback play. You don't
19:02
Speaker 2: have that problem here. You have a quarterback on a
19:04
Speaker 2: team that twenty five in a row, hasn't trailed in
19:06
Speaker 2: the second half and just playing at a high level.
19:08
Speaker 4: And it's very separated, right, I mean it's it's it's
19:11
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, oh guess what, they're good, Lamar
19:14
Speaker 4: Jackson and the Ravens Eri. So it's it's always a quarterback league.
19:19
Speaker 4: But the solid franchises look really solid there. And it's
19:24
Speaker 4: as you said watching it yesterday, what's hard to imagine
19:27
Speaker 4: is it's hard to imagine a team without a guy
19:32
Speaker 4: right now getting up into that group that it'll happen.
19:35
Speaker 4: Somebody will be playing in the last six or eight,
19:40
Speaker 4: teams that were not expecting. Maybe the Vikings, they're hot,
19:42
Speaker 4: but it's hard to imagine anything sustainable if you're not
19:45
Speaker 4: talking about one of those franchise with a guy right now.
19:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look not to pick on Gardner Minshew, but
19:50
Speaker 2: Kenny Moore had more return yards than Garden Minshew had
19:53
Speaker 2: matching yards yesterday, right.
19:55
Speaker 1: And how about this touchdowns as well?
19:56
Speaker 2: And how about next week? You know, yesterday you had
19:58
Speaker 2: a Premier matchup in Frankfurt for the international game, you
20:02
Speaker 2: had Patrick Mahomes and Tua Right next week you have
20:07
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew and Mac Jones. That's a big step down in.
20:12
Speaker 1: That premiere game. John, I know you have a hot
20:14
Speaker 1: take one related to that. Would you see that game?
20:17
Speaker 5: Well, the Chiefs still look like the Chiefs. They still
20:20
Speaker 5: look like the team to beat.
20:21
Speaker 4: They look to me like the team that will probably
20:24
Speaker 4: be hosting throughout the playoffs. I mean that's not a given,
20:29
Speaker 4: but if you had to pick a team right now,
20:33
Speaker 4: they and the Ravens have the best record chief of
20:35
Speaker 4: host of the AC champion in game five years.
20:37
Speaker 5: They look like the team to be good. Go beat them.
20:41
Speaker 4: And this is sort of I'm probably angry with my
20:47
Speaker 4: inbox a little bit because I always get these email. Oh,
20:50
Speaker 4: the Chiefs look like they're a team. They have Patrick Mahomes. Again,
20:53
Speaker 4: we're not gonna be able to go ahead and get that.
20:56
Speaker 4: If you're going to get to where you want to
20:58
Speaker 4: go in this league, you're gonna have beat good teams
21:01
Speaker 4: to get there. If the Chiefs aren't good, somebody else
21:03
Speaker 4: can be good. If the Texans aren't good, somebody else
21:05
Speaker 4: is gonna be good. So stop worrying so much about
21:09
Speaker 4: what the rest of the league does and realize that
21:12
Speaker 4: if the Jaguars win they're six and two right now,
21:15
Speaker 4: they have nine games left. If they go seven and
21:18
Speaker 4: two over that stretch, they're thirteen and four, and I
21:22
Speaker 4: would give them a coin flip's chance to have a
21:24
Speaker 4: number one seed or number two.
21:26
Speaker 5: Well, that gets you in the mix. Go win.
21:28
Speaker 4: Cincinnati won and Kansas City a couple of years, so
21:31
Speaker 4: it's it doesn't. All teams that have won the Super
21:38
Speaker 4: Bowl have beaten two or three good teams to get there.
21:41
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to beat somebody good. It may as
21:42
Speaker 4: well be the Chiefs.
21:43
Speaker 2: By the way, you mentioned that they've hosted five consecutive
21:46
Speaker 2: basically title games, so three and two of those games,
21:47
Speaker 2: not five and all right, the Patriots got them and Cincinnati,
21:51
Speaker 2: Cincinnati got them. And you know, Kansas City won yesterday
21:55
Speaker 2: not because Patrick Mahomes was on fire. They won because
21:58
Speaker 2: their defense, I mean absolutely put the clamps on Tua
22:03
Speaker 2: and Tyreek and that crowd. They didn't score the Chiefs
22:06
Speaker 2: a touchdown in the second half, even when the game
22:09
Speaker 2: got close, they didn't score. In fact, they went three
22:11
Speaker 2: and out on a critical series late in the ballgame
22:14
Speaker 2: that put the ball back in the hands of Tua
22:17
Speaker 2: and Miami, and they didn't get it done. So Kancy's
22:21
Speaker 2: really good because that quarterback can play at a very
22:23
Speaker 2: high level. But they're not the same as they've been
22:26
Speaker 2: in years past. They don't have those other receivers that
22:28
Speaker 2: can take advantage of the downfield attack. Yesterday, the Dolphins
22:33
Speaker 2: threw a lot at the tight end and Kelsey was
22:36
Speaker 2: not as big a factor, but none of the other
22:38
Speaker 2: receivers were either, So it was their defense that wanted
22:40
Speaker 2: four yesterday. If you can put points up, if your
22:42
Speaker 2: offense get started, you can run with those guys.
22:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, not looking past this Sunday's game because obviously, yeah,
22:50
Speaker 4: forty nine ers are as good as any team the
22:51
Speaker 4: Gyrars to play this year, but the Bengals Ravens here,
22:56
Speaker 4: probably even more than the Chiefs because the Chiefs was
22:58
Speaker 4: so early. It's hard to call an early season game
23:01
Speaker 4: of benchmark because so much changes as the year goes on.
23:05
Speaker 4: Those two games against those two teams are as big
23:09
Speaker 4: a regular season stretched as the Jaguars have had.
23:12
Speaker 5: Whatever.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh no, you are exactly right. Two home
23:17
Speaker 2: games in three weeks in primetime in December again for
23:20
Speaker 2: those kind of teams for home field in the in
23:23
Speaker 2: the AFC. Oh yeah, that is easily far and away
23:27
Speaker 2: the biggest stretch of games on a Jaguars schedule in
23:31
Speaker 2: their franchise.
23:32
Speaker 4: And I think if you look back, I think that's
23:34
Speaker 4: because when they were really good in the nineties, the
23:37
Speaker 4: schedule wasn't quite set up and there were three divisions,
23:41
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, remember that right, So you didn't
23:45
Speaker 4: quite have this one plays one three different times in
23:50
Speaker 4: the schedule, fore most different the way you do now.
23:53
Speaker 4: So now you're gonna play those, So it sets up
23:56
Speaker 4: for more games like this.
23:57
Speaker 5: And the Jaguars, I guess what.
24:00
Speaker 2: They're good And just one final thought on that. The Ravens.
24:03
Speaker 2: Their offense they almost ran for three hundred yard yesterday,
24:05
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety eight, and their defense is so good,
24:08
Speaker 2: and they have dominant wins over Seattle, who would look
24:10
Speaker 2: good to this point, and Detroit, who looked great to
24:13
Speaker 2: the point that they went and got hammered by those guys.
24:15
Speaker 2: I think, I think Baltimore might be the best team
24:18
Speaker 2: in the league right now.
24:19
Speaker 1: They are, and I think or I think they're one
24:22
Speaker 1: of the hottest teams. Is what I will speak to,
24:23
Speaker 1: because you know, we've seen the Chiefs win games, but
24:26
Speaker 1: they're doing in different ways. They're not doing it necessarily
24:28
Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes doing crazy things. But you know, no one's
24:31
Speaker 1: ragging on them for that as much as they rag
24:33
Speaker 1: on Trevor for not doing things when we work because
24:35
Speaker 1: they have the resume, I know, and they've earned it,
24:37
Speaker 1: so I won't rag on that in that regard. But
24:39
Speaker 1: Jaguars don't get a ton of respect. And my hot
24:41
Speaker 1: take is about the disrespect. I think it's a good
24:43
Speaker 1: thing because it builds character. Right, we've been hearing I've
24:46
Speaker 1: been seeing that graphic on Twitter all the time with
24:48
Speaker 1: Mac Jones compared to Trevor Lawrence. They're three seasons together,
24:51
Speaker 1: and how they're pretty much the same quarterback. Everybody's talking
24:53
Speaker 1: about the Texans and how they're going to give them
24:55
Speaker 1: a run in the AFC South. You know, a whole
24:58
Speaker 1: bunch of other things. I think they're is that they
25:00
Speaker 1: were voted like the worst six and two team when
25:02
Speaker 1: they were going over that last week, and it's a
25:05
Speaker 1: good thing for this team. Yes, there should be expectations
25:07
Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville. We want them to win, but I
25:10
Speaker 1: think they thrive off that. Maybe I'm just the petty
25:12
Speaker 1: kind of person I thrive off of it when people
25:14
Speaker 1: talk down about me or my team, and I think
25:16
Speaker 1: the team thrives off that too. You can see it
25:18
Speaker 1: whenever there was there's any football in Trevor's coming out
25:20
Speaker 1: and getting a little saucy on Twitter about you know,
25:22
Speaker 1: we'll just find ways to win and they can criticize
25:24
Speaker 1: how I play. The Jaguars have that little bit of
25:28
Speaker 1: a chip on their shoulder from that, whether they'll admit
25:30
Speaker 1: it or not, or even those two games that they
25:31
Speaker 1: lost when they lost to the Texans and the Chiefs
25:34
Speaker 1: right there, and then they kind of took that got
25:36
Speaker 1: back on track with things. And I think this little
25:38
Speaker 1: run that they have. They're already underdogs to the forty
25:41
Speaker 1: nine ers this week on Sunday when they're playing at home,
25:43
Speaker 1: and I think that'll drive them to be a little bit.
25:46
Speaker 1: We'll it take it up a little bit. As we've
25:47
Speaker 1: seen them going throughout the season, they're improving every week
25:50
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be continuing to do that.
25:52
Speaker 4: Start One thought on on on this worst six and
25:56
Speaker 4: two teams in the NFL.
25:57
Speaker 5: First, they're still better than all the other thing is
26:00
Speaker 5: that coming.
26:02
Speaker 2: From Jaguars fans.
26:04
Speaker 1: No, No, No, it was like they were doing like a
26:06
Speaker 1: like a lot of the different pundons were doing like, oh,
26:08
Speaker 1: of all the six and two teams, and they're like, well,
26:09
Speaker 1: I can't trusts because they're the jaguars'n't trust don't trust it.
26:14
Speaker 1: If you.
26:16
Speaker 4: The six teams they've beaten, if the teams that they
26:20
Speaker 4: beat would have won those games, every team they've played
26:24
Speaker 4: would be over five hundred. Series are five and three,
26:27
Speaker 4: Saints are five and four.
26:30
Speaker 5: You know, so to me, this has not been a
26:33
Speaker 5: soft schedule.
26:34
Speaker 4: This has been a not a great schedule so far,
26:37
Speaker 4: but you would feel differently about these teams. If the
26:41
Speaker 4: Jarares hadn't beaten Seis would be six and two without
26:44
Speaker 4: that and everybody talking about him as a hot team. So
26:47
Speaker 4: Jags to take care of business against some uh not great,
26:52
Speaker 4: but good teams the last five weeks.
26:55
Speaker 2: The best thing about it is you get a chance
26:56
Speaker 2: to go proven on Sunday by San Francisco.
26:58
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Speaker 1: for fans back here getting ready for the forty nine
27:18
Speaker 1: Ers game on Sunday. That's going to be a good one.
27:21
Speaker 1: I've been looking. I had that one of the ones
27:23
Speaker 1: circled on my schedule. For sure, it's not a primetime one,
27:25
Speaker 1: but it's going to have that primetime feel even with
27:28
Speaker 1: whatever the forty nine ers are rolling out there, because
27:30
Speaker 1: I know they've been dealing with a lot of injuries.
27:32
Speaker 1: That's going to be a great matchup and just kind
27:33
Speaker 1: of a measuring state game as well.
27:34
Speaker 2: Brian, it is primarily for your offense because even though
27:39
Speaker 2: you can look at the Niners and how they've struggled
27:41
Speaker 2: to score the last couple of weeks, and how Brock
27:43
Speaker 2: Purdy has had to play from behind for the first
27:45
Speaker 2: time in his career and hasn't necessarily performed up to
27:48
Speaker 2: the level that he did last year, their defense is well,
27:52
Speaker 2: it's one player better now that you've got the pass
27:55
Speaker 2: rusher from Washington added in there and Nick Bosa. The
27:58
Speaker 2: last time we saw Nick Bosa he year, he was devastating.
28:02
Speaker 2: Juwan Taylor had to block him and Juwan was constantly
28:06
Speaker 2: in Trevor's back pocket. This was in two years ago,
28:10
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and there they George Joon Hargrag
28:15
Speaker 2: the eighty million dollar tackle that they plugged in there
28:18
Speaker 2: from Philadelphia last year. Fred Warner. I mean, they're just
28:20
Speaker 2: they're gifted at every level with two or three players,
28:24
Speaker 2: so your offense is going to have to be ready
28:28
Speaker 2: to go.
28:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's a big game for the
28:30
Speaker 4: Jaguars defense because what you just talked about will be
28:33
Speaker 4: a storyline this week. Oh the forty nine ers defense
28:35
Speaker 4: is this, this, and this. I don't think the Jaguars
28:37
Speaker 4: defense will get talked about very much, but they're good
28:42
Speaker 4: and it'll be a game where the Jaguars defense can
28:44
Speaker 4: show that we can hang with this keviny what they get.
28:46
Speaker 2: I think they get Deebo Shamuels back this week, right,
28:48
Speaker 2: because he's been he's been that guy who's been that
28:51
Speaker 2: trigger point is he's gonna run the ball, you're gonna
28:53
Speaker 2: throw it to him. We saw him again at twenty
28:55
Speaker 2: twenty one and he took the Jaguars defense apart that year.
28:58
Speaker 2: So Brandon Ayuk has come and he's playing at a
29:01
Speaker 2: high level. Kittle is one of the best, most difficult
29:04
Speaker 2: to cover tight ends in the game. It's a big challenge.
29:08
Speaker 2: This is a really good football team that hit a
29:10
Speaker 2: rough stretch. They remember they beat the Cowboys on Sunday
29:13
Speaker 2: Night Football forty to ten and you thought, oh, oh,
29:16
Speaker 2: you know who's gonna get in their way? Well, a
29:20
Speaker 2: couple of teams have since then. Remember the Bills came
29:21
Speaker 2: to London and everyone thought, well, I mean they're scoring
29:24
Speaker 2: forty one points and only giving up ten. The Jaguars
29:26
Speaker 2: got in their way, So here's a chance to go
29:28
Speaker 2: and do it again.
29:29
Speaker 1: Should be interesting, and hopefully the Jaguars have had some
29:31
Speaker 1: time to get healthy in the bye week as well,
29:33
Speaker 1: because we know Tyson cambell Andr Cisco Walker little of course,
29:35
Speaker 1: so hopefully all of them will be back and then
29:37
Speaker 1: we'll get to see both these teams at full strength
29:39
Speaker 1: or close to it in this matchup on Sunday. Coming
29:42
Speaker 1: up later in the week, we'll talk more about that
29:43
Speaker 1: forty nine ers matchup. We'll see you back here on
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Speaker 1: Jagsam on Wednesday in compete in still p