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The Isley Brothers Talk Legacy, Originality In Music, Aretha Franklin, R. Kelly + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: A envy Charlamagne the God. We are the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: We got our guest host, Kim Whitley joining us today.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Kim said, I had to be here for
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  Speaker 2: this one.
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  Speaker 1: That's why she was telling the stories behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: before y'all brothers walked in. We have the honesty brothers
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  Speaker 1: said welcome, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: How y'all feeling thank you? Thank you? We good.
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  Speaker 1: Kim was telling us all types of stories before you
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  Speaker 1: guys walked in, about shows, performances and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Years.
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  Speaker 6: Earnie and Ron, let me tell you something this right here.
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  Speaker 6: The unique sound. That's the one thing I want everybody
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  Speaker 6: to understand.
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  Speaker 7: They have had a unique sound for years and the decades,
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  Speaker 7: Like you know, from early childhood to now.
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  Speaker 6: You think about how long your music you've gone through generations.
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  Speaker 6: I just you know, a bow down about that.
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  Speaker 2: Seven decades in the business.
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  Speaker 4: Wow eight.
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  Speaker 8: Every since nineteen fifty nine.
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  Speaker 4: It was her first hip record, Shout nineteenth is about
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  Speaker 4: sixty three or sixty four years now, number one record
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  Speaker 4: for five weeks and number one album and no, no,
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  Speaker 4: the album it's been there on thirty eight weeks.
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  Speaker 1: How do you keep reinventing yourself. I mean, because it's
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  Speaker 1: it seems like it's new every time with feelings.
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  Speaker 4: That's from God. You know, it's just just we've been
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  Speaker 4: blessed with.
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  Speaker 1: So many writers and young writers and new writers and
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  Speaker 1: you know and and og writers and they all love
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  Speaker 1: to work with you guys. Why do you think that is?
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  Speaker 4: Because you know, uh, it's wow, it's hard. It's really
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  Speaker 4: hard to explain, but uh, we just enjoy every minute
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  Speaker 4: of doing what we do, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And do you ever get surprised, like you look at
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  Speaker 1: the verses with how many young fans you have and
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  Speaker 1: how many new fans that you guys, you know, turned
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  Speaker 1: on to you from the verses and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's calling you a cat.
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  Speaker 4: Daddy just walking through the airport kids five six years
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  Speaker 4: old one, Hey, that's mister Riggs.
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  Speaker 7: You know, let me tell you that last bitch you
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  Speaker 7: had on Instagram, I don't know you had to black
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  Speaker 7: and white or I'm telling you now I'm a.
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  Speaker 6: Friend, Caddy.
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  Speaker 7: But you look y'all when I tell you y'all still
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  Speaker 7: have this sex appeal? Do y'all understand that?
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  Speaker 6: All right? It's just so good.
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  Speaker 7: I just I ask my question is what is your
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  Speaker 7: favorite songs. But what is your favorite song to sing?
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  Speaker 7: What is y'all's favorite song?
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  Speaker 4: Wow? You know every night we have to do certain songs.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's just maybe stuff like.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's not hard or Shout.
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  Speaker 4: We have to do that every night, you know. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: you go through the app when you were in anytown,
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  Speaker 4: we see people at at weddings and they always always
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  Speaker 4: doing that song, you know, and it really a it's
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  Speaker 4: really a great feeling and want somebody do your song
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  Speaker 4: like that, especially when it's sixty three years old, you.
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  Speaker 9: Know, because I say, nobody, nobody plans out a seven
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  Speaker 9: decade career. So when y'all first recorded Shout, and you know,
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  Speaker 9: Shout came out, what did y'all think y'all careers were
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  Speaker 9: going to look like? Well, we assessed y'all back then.
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  Speaker 4: Well, everybody was excited. Now when we would go on shows,
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  Speaker 4: they would have to stop the show because people would
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  Speaker 4: be shouting in the audience and making people sense it
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  Speaker 4: out in your chair and so you know, that felt great,
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  Speaker 4: I mean that really felt great. You know, we didn't
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  Speaker 4: know what was going to last this long, because nobody
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  Speaker 4: knows that, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But from the beginning let's start from the beginning for
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  Speaker 1: people that don't know you. What made you, guys want
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  Speaker 1: to create this group? What made you start singing? Was
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  Speaker 1: it church?
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  Speaker 2: Was it?
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  Speaker 1: Mama was bothering you said, sing?
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  Speaker 2: Boy, singer?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What made you say, yeah, I'm gonna start.
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  Speaker 4: This My mother and father. My mother was a teacher,
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  Speaker 4: you know, she taught you know music. I was singing
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  Speaker 4: at two years old. I won a war one a
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  Speaker 4: war bond uh at church or you know, at two
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  Speaker 4: years old. So we had a group ever since I
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  Speaker 4: was four or five?
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  Speaker 1: Was it always Osley Brothers? Yes, that was the name
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  Speaker 1: of the group, said, no, other name's always been That's it.
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  Speaker 4: And we were like skeptical when we came to New
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  Speaker 4: York because we said, hey, they're not gonna remember our name,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Frankie Nyman and teenagers and all, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and we were wondering, said, well, I hope they remember
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  Speaker 4: our name. You know.
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  Speaker 2: When did y'all realize? Uh, y'all, y'all, y'all had something here.
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  Speaker 8: Uh when we were in Cincinnat.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: We want everything that they put us up, you know,
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  Speaker 4: every amateur everything, television shows, everything, We want it all.
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  Speaker 4: From that time, all the way up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was before shot yeah wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And with your mom being a teacher, did she never
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  Speaker 1: not want you to get into this industry called the
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  Speaker 1: music industry where you're on the road and all that.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted us to be in and you know, on
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Mill Brothers. My father wanted us to
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  Speaker 4: you know, have a group and last as long as
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  Speaker 4: the Mill Brothers. Then my younger brother, Ernie and Marvin,
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  Speaker 4: they weren't even you know, in the music business then,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and uh, they came to New York at
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey after he re called a twist and shout
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  Speaker 4: and shout, and they like watched us, and uh, we
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  Speaker 4: wanted my father always wanted us to be self contained,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And so Ernie started playing drums, and then
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  Speaker 4: he went to playing guitar. Then my little brother played bass.
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  Speaker 4: Then my brother in law was playing keyboards, and we
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  Speaker 4: became that self contained group.
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  Speaker 1: And the father said, let's not pay anybody on the
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  Speaker 1: outside anywhere.
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  Speaker 6: Daddy said, Keith Autimore and that was that.
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  Speaker 7: Like Ernie, did you was that self taught those instruments.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, wow, let's start with drums first.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. At the time, Jimmy Hendrix was living at the house,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and he was playing just.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's there, you know, like March of sixty three
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  Speaker 3: to like November of sixty five.
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  Speaker 2: Why was Jimmy living at your house?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he was our guitar player, you know, and so
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  Speaker 4: you know, we watched him, Ernie watched him. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we didn't know Ernie was gonna wind up playing guitar,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because he was playing drums at the time.
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  Speaker 4: And uh later on, Ernie started playing the guitar. And
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  Speaker 4: when I wrote the song It's Your Thing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Ernie picked up his bass and start playing a bass. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: I said. You know, we were rent at the uh
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  Speaker 4: the session in New York and Ernie I said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you need to play bass on this song, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and he played bass on this your Thing. You know.
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  Speaker 8: From that time on, the family.
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  Speaker 1: Could be a good thing and it could be a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing, right because sometimes too much of your brother,
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  Speaker 1: it's just too much. How much fighting did y'all get into.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't have no fights, you know, no fights you know, hey,
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  Speaker 4: oh they would heed you. We were close. My father
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  Speaker 4: taught us, hey, you better you know. At at the time,
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  Speaker 4: when I was young, we all had to stay together.
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  Speaker 4: When my older brother had wanted to go out to
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  Speaker 4: a party, they had to take me and my other brother,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he had a girlfriend. We were waiting on
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  Speaker 4: the outside of the house. I don't want you all
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  Speaker 4: always stay together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how are things now? Because I know you one
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  Speaker 2: of your brothers are suing you.
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  Speaker 4: That's not really a problem, you know, it's it's hard
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  Speaker 4: for me to discuss it now, but it's not. That's
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  Speaker 4: not a problem. And what's whatsoever?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have the problem early on with owning your
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  Speaker 1: own masters and stuff like that? Did y'all own that?
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  Speaker 1: Or if not, did y'all get it back?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 8: We own We owned some of them, some of it.
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  Speaker 4: We had started a record company and nineteen sixty nine
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  Speaker 4: Teenage Records and all the way up until this point.
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  Speaker 4: Now I have another company which is alright, Top ten,
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  Speaker 4: and it owns everything.
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  Speaker 2: How do y'all only own some of it? Don't? Don't
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  Speaker 2: the masters go back to you after a certain point?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's cordinal. It's all according to what you sign.
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  Speaker 4: You know. At some time when we started off, we
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  Speaker 4: signed certain things in there, and we had certain claws
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  Speaker 4: in our contract that after ten years we would it
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  Speaker 4: all would come back.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all. Y'all, y'all should have been that eight times already.
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  Speaker 6: Hell, it's good to have you mess.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, what's going on with Ed Sharon and this
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  Speaker 7: Marvin Gaye situation?
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  Speaker 4: Have you all?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if you know what's going on, but
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  Speaker 7: Ed Sharon is being sued by Marvin Gaye's family over sampling.
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  Speaker 7: Have you all ever heard something and you were like,
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  Speaker 7: wait a minute, so right right?
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  Speaker 6: That sounds like us?
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  Speaker 1: If you don't ever been.
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  Speaker 3: Like, wait a minute, Well, the rappers always uh had
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  Speaker 3: respect for our work, and so I love.
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  Speaker 4: It when you call me bigger.
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  Speaker 3: That's between the sheets. And today was a good day.
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  Speaker 4: I achieved.
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  Speaker 3: That was fort steps in the dark. Uh, there's a
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  Speaker 3: very strong association.
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  Speaker 8: Uh, we have more samples than anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to clear everything you listen to it?
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  Speaker 4: We have to clear.
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  Speaker 1: So when you heard Biggie right the first time, you're
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  Speaker 1: Biggie right, I'm sure Puff called y'all and I heard
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that Biggie was talking about, what was your
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  Speaker 1: first mind frame with Because I'm sure was a puff
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  Speaker 1: that called you.
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  Speaker 4: We flipped out. You flipped out.
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  Speaker 3: The first time I heard that I knew he had
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  Speaker 3: a head, you know, uh, because it was done in
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  Speaker 3: such a signature way for him. You know, I'll see
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  Speaker 3: you some leaders the dirt because you weever Gonnare. I
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  Speaker 3: started laughing, but I know it was a hit.
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  Speaker 2: Though he didn't reach out. Though he didn't reach out before.
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  Speaker 6: D oh, yeah he did.
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  Speaker 8: Were at the studio together, were talking about the one.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he wanted to do other records with us,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he studio Big Yes and Puffy They Puffy
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  Speaker 4: did a couple of couple of records with us. You know.
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  Speaker 4: One of them was called float On. I think the
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  Speaker 4: number one song here in New York. We had, uh
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  Speaker 4: that the record in between the sheets, jay Z, every
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  Speaker 4: just everybody, every villain. Yeah, he became.
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  Speaker 1: Missed the big.
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  Speaker 2: When is the last time y'all didn't get a check?
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  Speaker 2: Day y'all didn't get a check?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I can't answer that.
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  Speaker 6: It's even during the pandemic, y'all came up with friends
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  Speaker 6: and family and.
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  Speaker 5: It was everywhere.
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  Speaker 7: I said, what in the world I'm trying to tell
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  Speaker 7: everybody I'm your cousin.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was Then you turned the villain, mister Biggs.
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  Speaker 1: Now break that down and and you know, for a
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  Speaker 1: long time, that's what everybody looked at you as mister Biggs.
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  Speaker 1: So how was that that? What that was yours? It
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: was kels.
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  Speaker 4: R Kelly wrote the song keeping on a download and
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  Speaker 4: he said, I wrote this song and I see you
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  Speaker 4: doing it, and my mother wanted you to do it.
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  Speaker 4: I met R. Kelly on sunset. He's driving the car
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  Speaker 4: and he rolled the window and.
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  Speaker 5: Do hey stop stopping.
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  Speaker 4: I was walking coming out of the studio and he said, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: we gotta talk. We gotta talk. I want you to
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  Speaker 4: I want you on my record. I want you. And
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  Speaker 4: so I listened to the.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who he was at the time. Did
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  Speaker 1: you know who he was at the time?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, he had out a couple of songs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think the Body calling Me and something. And so
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  Speaker 4: his mother was a big fan of ours, and uh
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  Speaker 4: so she had told him all our songs, and so
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  Speaker 4: we got together to do that download and he said,
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  Speaker 4: I'll see you being mister big big, you being mister Biggs.
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  Speaker 4: I want you. We're gonna come and we're gonna do
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  Speaker 4: this video. We want to I want to hear your
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  Speaker 4: foot when you come in the studio. That's how the
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  Speaker 4: video was. R. Kelly was really a genius man. Uh
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  Speaker 4: he uh with with doing music with his whole mind
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  Speaker 4: and thoughts, you know, and we went on, we did
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  Speaker 4: other songs, you know, Contagious I had number one albums
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  Speaker 4: with him and uh sold millions of records. You know.
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  Speaker 4: Our first album that we did with Contagious is over
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  Speaker 4: albums over three million, and uh that which was which
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  Speaker 4: which was the first the first four dream works at
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  Speaker 4: the time, and uh after that he did the album
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  Speaker 4: with with me that came to choice number one. You know.
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  Speaker 4: I think uh one of the the album that had
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  Speaker 4: Contagious in it was number two, and the one was
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  Speaker 4: the number one, and on and on and on.
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  Speaker 1: Any fear at the time was you were you know,
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  Speaker 1: you were shout and you were between the sheets, and
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  Speaker 1: now you were the villains, you know with the cane
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  Speaker 1: with the sword, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, my brother gave me the cane. My
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  Speaker 4: brother took a picture with the cane. Uh I don't know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and uh he gave it to me for my birthday
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  Speaker 4: and I start caring the kinge you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: know what that's about. The you know, rout the king
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  Speaker 4: will wind up being a video talking about you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: hit me with the cane and you know, you know
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  Speaker 4: that type of thing. But hey man, it's been wonderful, wonderful,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And let me let me say, we watch
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  Speaker 4: you guys, I mean how much I know everything that
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  Speaker 4: you do, everything that you do, and we watch you
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  Speaker 4: and I think what you're doing is so great man,
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  Speaker 4: and never stopped doing.
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  Speaker 9: I feel like I feel like you've been in the
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  Speaker 9: villain before though I'm sure you know some man has
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  Speaker 9: approached you, but being.
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  Speaker 2: With a woman, I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 9: What if toll life look for y'all, You know, after
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  Speaker 9: all of these years, they ain't like it was twenty
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  Speaker 9: years ago, thirty years ago, forty years ago, the toy
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  Speaker 9: life look for y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Now, you know, we wouldn't know what to do if
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  Speaker 4: we wasn't doing the chour or we wentn't singing. And
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  Speaker 4: then seeing the response from the people, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: watching the response and and getting to see what they'd
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  Speaker 4: like and what song the hell do you want to?
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  Speaker 4: You want me to sing? Hello? It's me? You want
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  Speaker 4: me to sing Contagious? Do you want me to sing
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  Speaker 4: smooth selling, you know, And I do that every night,
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  Speaker 4: you know, And uh, I don't know what I would
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  Speaker 4: be doing if I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 9: Always wonder how different does the world look the brothers
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  Speaker 9: like y'all because y'all literally were out before you know,
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  Speaker 9: civil rights, before the civil rights era. You know, like
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: what was life like back then? Touring in the fifties
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  Speaker 9: and sixties.
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  Speaker 4: We were always just just want wanting to be the
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  Speaker 4: number one thing. And that is no lie. We wanted
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  Speaker 4: to be the number one thing when in England when
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  Speaker 4: we went to England and uh with the Beatles and
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  Speaker 4: the Rolling Stones and and Elton John and them, people
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  Speaker 4: like the Beatles were imitating us, and uh, they said,
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  Speaker 4: and Paul McCartney would tell you, say, hey, if it
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  Speaker 4: don't be for the oy said brother, we would still
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  Speaker 4: be hearing in Liverpool. You know. Uh did we wanted.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, discrimination or anything.
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  Speaker 7: I just wondering, like I said, what it was like then,
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  Speaker 7: because you all something different.
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  Speaker 6: You're together, you're a.
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  Speaker 7: Family, but you're going all over the world. Did you
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  Speaker 7: ever experience anything like that?
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  Speaker 4: A couple of couple of couple of times we went
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  Speaker 4: to a club one time and and niggas. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when we got ready to go in, the guys say, hey, man,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: hold it, I thought you guys were white, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he said, and he paid us right there, say you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know you don't have to go.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's it's a lot of different type of
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  Speaker 8: people here.
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  Speaker 4: And we laughed about it because we got paid. We
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  Speaker 4: didn't have to go on.
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  Speaker 2: He was telling you don't go in.
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  Speaker 4: Kuker plans and all that.
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  Speaker 9: Do you do you remember how much the world changed
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  Speaker 9: after the Civil rights.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know I would have thought
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  Speaker 4: it would be way different now, you know with uh,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: you know when when Luther King was doing this thing, man,
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  Speaker 4: you know, start changing, start changing, start changing, you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: and we were hoping for you know, it's changed, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: you know, hey, it didn't start going back a little
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: pushing a little, you know. I think the people are
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: more intelligent now, you know, the young people, the young people.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: It's gonna take that, you know, and uh, the blessing
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: from God. You know, I don't know what's going to happen,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: no one, no one knows what's gonna happen.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Hey, I'm gonna do all I can, all.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I can did y'all get involved in any way back then?
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: We did everything they asked us to do, and we
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: wanted to do more, you know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: But at the time you got to have you had
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: people like Sammy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Davis and James Brown, everybody, Eretha Franklin, you know, all
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: those people, you know, and we were we were in
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the crowd doing our things.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: You know, who's your biggest competition back then if there
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was any black black competitions.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: James Brown and Sam Cook, you know, Jackie Wilson, you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: and now we would do when when we were on
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the show with them, they couldn't go home. Man. When
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: we did that song shout hey that that we shut
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: it down.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You know what when y'all wrote music, was y'all trying
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to be like, no, we need to make a record
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that they know that they can't follow. Is that the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: way your mind framed?
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: That's what That's what we were looking for.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And we didn't get and and we hit that when
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: we had It's your Thing, and from that one on
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: it we went, hey, straight to the top.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: What is that? That was kind of like the Bobby
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Brown My prerogative with that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, I was it was like a dream to me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: and uh, that's that was a dream that I had,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I said. When I woke up, I started humming the song.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I said, no, it's not gonna get away. And I
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: went down to my mother's house and Ernie was there
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: and he picked up his base, you know, I said,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I got the song me and my brother, I said,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: and I sung it for him and they said hey,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and we put it on tape and went in the
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: studio and I did it one time in the studio,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: sang at one time while the band was playing it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: And then they said one it was time to do
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: do our part. Say, hey, I already did it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So it came in dream. It wasn't like a phrase
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: y'all was saying.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Came to me in the dream. And uh, you know
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: at the time, people were saying, you know, it's your thing,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: you know, uh do your do your thing that you know.
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: That expression was out, but uh.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Came to me in a dream.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: What about between the sheets? How did that? How was
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that song?
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Between the sheets? There's a commercial used to watch. You
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: can still see it on your computer. Number five.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: One.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: One was at a far into the pool and the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: guy was at the opposite end, and he dove into
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the water and he came up through her leg and
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: they said, shared a fan of see And I always
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: liked that commercial. And I had my guitar with me
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: with the sound down, and I thought, what would the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: music be like? And I started playing the chords between
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the sheets. And then we got into the studio Marvel
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and Chris, and he says, hey, man, okay, you got
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: any lyrics? You got the musicment you got an lyrics?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I said that, yeah, Hey, girl, ain't no mystery at
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: least as far as I can see. I want to
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: keep you here laying next to me, Sharon, I love,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: and I was stuck mm hmm. Chris picked up a
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: legal Patson sharing a love between the sheets. I said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: there you go. And Marvin polystoft of us the song lyrically.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Wow, what was what was the young lady that that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: gave you that inspiration?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Besides that?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Because now you see like that's you know when I
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: refer to that person as my muse. Okay, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: so that could be anyone. You know, it could be
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: one of my guitarists. For example, think of all my
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: guitarists as female. So you know that could be anyone,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: and of course in that kind of explanation, he's just
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: into the person that he's with, and there's intimacy there
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: because you can't see what's going on. It's between the sheets.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Some people think that is missing from R and B music.
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: Now, like that's one of the reasons that, you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: people like Puff said R and B is day.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You know. Ernie started writing songs about nineteen seventy three,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: songs like Harved's for the World at Your Best, for
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: your Love, the song that we did would and say Yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: make me say it again, make me say it again,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Fight the Power, just on and on and on and on,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you know, and that that that was a great thing
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: for us because we could do our thing, release our records,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: and when we wanted to really release you know, Uh,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: I could sing anything that I wanted to sing, you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I decided those those songs like Hello, those songs like
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Summer Breefe from Listening and Adam the song uh love
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the one you with, you know, and those turn out
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to be big songs for us. But we we could
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: do anything that we wanted to do at the time.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: And uh, my my other brother, he was writing songs
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: like uh, grew with you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: You know, have you ever written a song? Have you
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: ever written a song for someone else? And then said
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: I want to get that back? Should have kept that song?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I when I one time, you know, I think
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: we were thinking about the money, and I said, hey,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Retha Franklin should do is your things? And so we
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: were trying to get fifteen thousand dollars for it at
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the time, you know, and Uretha Franklin was late, late
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: at the studio and she didn't come in.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Frank she took the record.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Oh no, hear yeah, I get it. No, she was
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: one of my girlfriends.
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: What Yeah, that was one of my girlfriends at the time,
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: because she was mad at you and she didn't.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: She was late and getting to the studio and she
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: didn't do the song.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Do you figure that argument later on because you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I know you crushed out or did she comes you
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: out for taking the record?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: She did?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: She did recorded your thing later on, she did produced
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: by Luther Vangels.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened never came out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: It was on an album.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: It came out.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: To Clyde Davis wanted us us to produce it, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: we didn't. You know, we're doing something else and so
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: she was in the studio with Luther at the time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: So Luther did it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: How many girlfriends did you have back?
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: I got.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I just really I was. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: was so young man, and uh, you know, hey, you
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: lived a life. It wasn't like the girlfriends that you
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: guys have now. It was just like, hey, we were
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: talking about music, talking about doing music, and she was, yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: you know, when I get a I think, uh.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: That y'all were between the sheets, is what you say?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I was I have on off telephone from that time
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: to now. Retha Franklin we talked maybe two and three
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: times a week even when she died, you know, shealing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: We were the best of friends.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: My wife suggested that she used Jennifer Hudson in a
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: movie and we'd I said, well, I thought you're gonna
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: do uh Holly Berry. She said, Jennifer, Jennifer would be
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the be you know, the person for a movie. Jennifer
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: came to see her to day and she sang a
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: song to us, so you know what that song is,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: and Jennifers saying, she said, that's one of I say
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: brother songs. It was which the last song you sung.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: That's how tight we.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Were here this You understand, I'm sitting I'm such a fan.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Talking like this regular, but it is for him, right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: It's just so amazing.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: It's your life and and and being a fan, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: like we were talking about like we we talking about
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: Joe Lbert.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: You know, it's just our lives and you're just like
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: read we talked every day.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: What I look at this and I look at the
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: span of how long you've been well, if you could
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: just is there a story of the craziest thing someone
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: did on stage to get your attention or in the audience,
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: because that probably be something I did, chase the tour
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: bus or something like that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Was there ever anything?
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Did anybody throw anything on stage? Jump on stage?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I was on the stage singing uh uh los seal
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: and I fell on my knees and they have my
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: eyes and the lady threw a dress over me. She
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: never want no under.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Never mind, don't don't go there.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: That was you know, when you coming up, You and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or James Brown never got into a competition
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: type of thing. Competitives.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: That's oh yeah, we were real tight with James Brown.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: You know, Michael Jackson wanted to do. They wanted us
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: to produce him when he left Motown, but uh, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: think he was produced by We wanted to keep our
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: sounds and that's you know, and that's why we discussed
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: certain records that we were doing ourselves. You know. It's
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: kind of hard to come up with those records. You know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: we gotta do nine of them in the album, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: saying and were at the time. I didn't want Ernie
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: playing uh some of breeze on Michael Jackson cause he
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: was he was like big, you know, at the same
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you know, like that would take something away from us.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And that was never a problem. The fact that you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: everybody wanted you to produce and play for them, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: everybody wanted you to sing on their project. That never
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: created a riff.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Well, that was a discussion that we would have and
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: that and we would say, I don't think we should
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: do that at this time, you know, And uh, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Anybody played a couple of things on
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: different people, you know, I don't know, but.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't too much of that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: Was there any songs that y'all did that y'all didn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: believe in? But it ended up being a hit.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: When I when I came down to the house for
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: them to do the song, uh uh I love the
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: One You With? It said hey man, really, I think,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: hey man, we're gonna do this song, and uh, this
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: is that's what we're gonna do. And this was smash
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: for us.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, did you ever say I told you so?
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: To be honest, I think at that time I was
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: growing into whatever musician or songwriter I was eventually going
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: to be. It just had not manifested. So looked the
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: One You With as the song is a great song,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and obviously the way we did it, uh, it's like
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: an Iley Brother song, you know. So you know a
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: lot of times, you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Know with.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Whatever you're gonna do in the future, you can't see,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: but you have a feeling.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: So that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: When we got ready to uh uh do three plus three,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh, we're gonna record that in California
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, California, Yeah, And now we're gonna do
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the song that lady.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I said that lady, that's a cha cha Boxinova's.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: He said, Nope, we're gonna change the temple, We're gonna
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: change the lyric, We're gonna change the melody and you
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: are gonna play.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Lead guitar on it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, you know, you don't know
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: until you know, until you do it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Was it a Was it a major effort because you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you listen to all your music and nothing sounds the same.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Was that something that you made sure that you focused
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: on to make sure that nothing was ever similar? You know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the shout didn't sound like between the sheets, which didn't
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: sound like like like it was totally different. You know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I remember when CBS first heard that Lady, they said, well,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like it's your thing. It doesn't have
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: trumpets or sacophones on it, but we like it and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: that you got elements of R and B dance funk,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: but you also got a lead guitar sound on it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: That's unusual. How should we promote it?
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: And we were like, just go over the time that
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: we were trying to have a mostly like the groups
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: that came out in England beatles and everybody was self contained.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: It wanted that self contained sound and that's what that's
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: what whos that Lady was about. That was the time
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: that Clyde Davis signed US T Neck Records over there
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: at CBS. You know, he was the one that listened
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: to it and you at it serious ear. You know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: he could he knew what the hit was and he
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: did say, uh, you all should sing it should be
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: another verse. Uh. We went back in the studio and
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Ernie wrote another verse because we needed three verses, which
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: was no problem, you know. And then when we came back,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: they the sony fired Clyde Davis for some bar misfits
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: or something he gave and this, and then we.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Said, hey, hey, we just signed it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: Don't worry about that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Your record to be ours. And while we were going
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: through the arguing about Clyde David one number one, seventy.
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: Three, seventy three, you know, they always wanted like, you know, like, yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: y'all got on in the fifties, but you know that
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: was the time of you know, racial unrest. How come
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: the labels weren't I'm sure they were, but they had
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: no problem signing black acts.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Wonder what why, you know, I don't know, I don't
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: know the answer for that, but yeah, you know, it
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: was all it was always nat Keen Cole was built,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Capitol Records, you know, Charles Rae, Charles Atlantic Records, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: they you know, they know it would they would sell records,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: Ah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: And that was during the Elvis Freshly time and doing
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: a fat Dominal time and Chuck Berry and you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: little Richard, you know, and then came Johnny Mathis. You know.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a time that you and Chris Brothers
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: and Earth Wind and Fire, I mean y'all were at
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: the top of the top these two groups.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: Did you all become friends? Did you know each other
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: at that time?
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: And I just wanted to hear a little bit about
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: that relationship.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Oh man, my brother was crazy about them, and uh,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: you know, uh right now, I feel ability is like, uh,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: my brother in law would it was married to Crystal,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: your oldest sister, and I you know, I thought they
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: were like so creative. My my brother was friends.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: With Vertein, Marvin and Vertein.
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah all the time, you know.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Uh. When they had their record, the record, that's the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: that's the way of the world. We would have had
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: our record out at the same time, my biggest album,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: which was the Heated Song, But my brother was arguing
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: with me, the brother Rudolph, because she said it's another
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: song we should have an album. When we was back
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: going back. No, we could have six songs and three
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: slow songs in the album on one side and three
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: on the on the fast side.
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: Fight the Powers and we were arguing.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Back and forth, and that argument went on so long,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and uh, we didn't release our records at the same time.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: But anyway they had their record was so successful and
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: our record was the biggest we ever had.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And with all these records that that you written and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: produced and sang and I mean, you keep talking about record,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn, it's a lot of records and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mershoes and all that other stuff. Was there ever a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: time where things tight at all in the industry, like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: where you know, could you speak to some of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: artists and sometimes they'd be like, yeah, it was kind
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of tight. During this time we didn't have a hit
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: or we had to sell this. Was there ever a situation?
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: No, well, one when when when Marvi Gate came up
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: with the Sexual Healing, we came up with in between
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the Sheets, When Teddy Prindergress did turn off the lights,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: which we took him on tour with us all that
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: night and closed the door, we came up with don't
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: say good night, and we were calling on the phone hey,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: so and so on, and so we laughing talking about
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: that I was making disrecord.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: To each other.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So it never y'all never had no no financial situation
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: at all, no, no of that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It was all friendly competition between all the legends.
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, no.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Okay, keep going.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: We're not gonna just throw that out.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It was people that that actually had real beef with.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Let me think, I'm sure the beef is dead now,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: so we're right right right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: No, no entertainer, no entertainer. But uh, the one beef
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: I did to have wind up having was with Michael.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Bolton when he did Love is a Wonderful Thing.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Did one of our songs, you know, and went to
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: court and went to court for so many years and
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: we you know, we won that case and it's in
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the book again. That's because it's the biggest money case
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that you know that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: He had to pay.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: He just went out and some one of your songs.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just love is Wonderful. But I wanted him to,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: you know, hey man, he would. They didn't want to settle,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: and hey went to court and he had a hundred
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: lawyers and uh.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Damn colonizing.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Ye And then he finally said that he ever come
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: back and be like, look, I apologize or I should
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: have gave you credit off.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: No, damn never never apologized.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: No, he s I think that case for for eight
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: eight million dollars, you know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Jesus, they're paying the money. You got money.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why they didn't have any problem.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons, Ernie. Do you think RB dead?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I meant to ask you that earlier.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: No, okay, no, no, no, uh not, as long as
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: there's all of that music, you know, waiting to be
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: discovered or rediscovered, you know, and of course you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: we have a lot of divine grace still being here
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: and with our track record and the way that we
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: pursue the muse ourselves. No, it's anything but dead. It's
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: more live now than ever. Uh so, No, it's no.
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: Now do people call you or do you call like Beyonce?
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: Or do people call you or you called them?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: How does that magic come together? Constantly?
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I called her.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I called her, you know, we're talking about doing the
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: song early in her career. But I called her mother,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: you know, and uh when her mother called her and
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: she said, yes, you know, she's a beautiful woman.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Man.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: You know, Beyonce when it comes with us, I think
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: she just.
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: It came out the.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Same time our album came out, and mostly a person
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: would say, wait you go, y'all got to wait. You know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: we wanted to do videos and all that, but we
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: understood that she didn't do a video for her her record,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: you know, if she had other plans and but that's
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: that's the biggest record for her right now, R and
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: B right now, it's still number one in California.
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: And I wonder what inspires y'all now, because when you
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: speak about how y'all want to inspire by Marvin and
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: Teddy Pendergrass, Like, who do y'all look around to now
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: and get inspired by?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I look at uh, well, well it's some of the
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: rappers still. You know that we're doing records with now,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: uh the rapper that take Off and Quavo did a
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: record with us, and we were talking about, you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: what we was gonna do and what and when he
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: and when his death came about.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Man, it's just you know, y'all did a record with
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: him on his project.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Oh no only it's yeah. And we did a record
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: with Two Chain, Then we did a record with the
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Rick Cross then we did with Snoop Dogg.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: You know, so, uh.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: We look at that. That's the way the business is
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: sort of going, so we kind of I want to
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: keep our you know a thing going with that too.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: At the same time, you know, I'm gonna do something
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: with Elton John uh and I'm gonna do something with Maria,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna do something with uh I already uh Kinderslamar.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I did a couple of songs with him, and one
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: one of the Grammy you know, like it was like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: who's that lady?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You know, has anybody told you to go back in
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the studio and redo your record like didn't like your
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: vocals or something like that?
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Uh like which like.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Whatever like the like they might not like diverse, like
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: do it again. Let's say, let's say your wife also says,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like baby kind of flat today, go back in there
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: do whatever? Has that happened with you at all?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: When when you listen to it's your thing, that vocal,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: it's the first take. So he did that. He did
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: that live just one time, you know, so it ain't
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: like go and do it again. You know, most of
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: most of my songs are one take, even twists and
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: shout even shout, what's one take?
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh, you know I I didn't even notice that
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: back there then, you know, wow, you know in between
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the sheets and one one take?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was there punching. Could you punch him
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: back then? Or do you have to do the whole
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: thing over?
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Could one time?
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: You could?
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: But you're just rolling, you know.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And everybody had to be right. The band had to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: be right. You had to be right for the.
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: Band that they already had to recorded.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: So now you know, I went out to.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: What happened to? What happened to? Like the other members
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of the group, did it ever say in y'all that
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: y'all Look, it's just.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Y'all too well. My older brother passed and my younger
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: brother passed. My brother Rudolph, he decided to go into
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: his ministry. Uh. So basically, you know, it's just sme
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: and Ernie now, you know, Uh, we've been doing this
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: for about what how many years?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Quite a few, yeah, you know, more than more than
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: just say, nineteen seventy three to now.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: That would be fifty wow.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But you know, like if I'm on it, I was
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: a bass player on this your thing when I was sixteen,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: so well that would be fifty.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Sixty eighteen hours, fifty five years.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: He had sixteen.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Something.
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: Do you all of us feel peerless because you know
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: so many of your peers have transitioned.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I think about my brothers, and I
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: think about you know, it's not a day that goes by,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: you know. I mean thinking about my older brother because
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: when this incredible, you know, and I think, you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I think about him being in heaven and watching watching
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: mm hmm, yeah, seeing them sending up prayers, sending down
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: prayers for.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Amen. Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: What about artists, other artists that you know with that transition.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about people like Sam Cook. You know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Marvin Gaye's a very good sprind of ours. Jackie Wilson
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: was very very close to us. James Brown was, He's
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: crazy about us, you know. You know, you know, I
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: go back with people like Burt back Rack. I did
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: an album with him. I think it was one of
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: my best albums. You know, it's singing his songs.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: He just passed. Michael Jackson. We were crazy about him,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, and I could go on and on.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: You know, people like Jimmy Hendricks and you're.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Just, oh my god, I get better friends.
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: Franklin was my best friend.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Is there anyone that you haven't worked like? Is there
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: somebody who aspire? Is there anyone else out there that
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: you think about me? I mean you've hit everybody from
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: any generation.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: I would have liked, you know it did something with
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Whitney Houston and I had a.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: Chance to do that, and I did one.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Song for her album and we'd sang and flew she
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: flew us on a back from somewhere from Atlanta, Georgia
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: or something. So she did one of those days, Yeah, yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: which was a sample of a between the sheets. I
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: would like to seriously did something with her. She's a
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: great singer.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Why didn't that happen.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Just just in halftime? You know? I it was it
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: was people that we talked about doing songs together, you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: but you know we didn't. You look at it like
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: we're looking at it now, you know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: And you look at it. Lady said, I should have done.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: I love talking to the elders like y'all because it
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: just makes me realize there's so much more life.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: You're right, You're right so much.
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: But I wonder do you think more now about living
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: or do you think like you know, do you question mortality?
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Do you know, man, I want to live forever.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: I believe it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: I believe you will.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: I was lying there.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Forever when you started making all that money, right, do
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you remember your first time they put you on a
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: private jet and how it felt, or the first big
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: expensive thing that you bought and what was it?
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Well? I remember my first first gig that we made,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: like five hundred dollars between the brothers, just the three brothers,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: and man I had that, you know, and we went
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: to one of those uh wonderful kind of stories that
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: when uh they sell clothes with somebody uh somebody else's
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: shot this shot man one and that bought me is
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: we all bought different suits and I think we thought
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: that would dollars.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look at that.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: And I wanted to know when.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: The versus thing happened? How did that come about? Who
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: called you and said this versus thing is going on?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And what made you say, you know what, this is
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be a great idea.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Well, my friend, uh Greg Black he called me and
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: uh Greg gred Walker, Uh he called me in He
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: talked on the phone for just hours and hours saying yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: I should do this and he called switch and I
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: talked to Swiss, you know, and we talked over and
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: over and over. I don't know if we want to
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: do this, you know. And then uh we had this
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: record and that you know, friends and family, and so
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: I said, well maybe we should do this, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: and uh we said with earth and earth went and
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: fire you know, you know they call them. And then
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: they said yes, and we say yes, and and well
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be. And then Steve Harvey called, I gotta
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I gotta.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Be the Then.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean we just and.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: It was good because family got to watch it, my
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: young kids, my parents.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: It was good.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Now is it true y'all got your own liquor coming out?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know it's.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got Uh, it's gonna be. It's gonna be.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Actually right there, right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: There, your person, right right. We got brand Brandy and
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: we'll be uh Brandy Contagious is the name of the
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: brand Brown Brandy.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: I'm this boxa right here, look at that right we
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: live with.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Brandy alcohol seven hundred and fifty miles. Yeah, okay, I think.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: I suppose eighty percent.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they can't he can't ready, it's always done.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: But the name of it is contagious.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: That's just oh yeah on this, Brandy, How men babies
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you can make with this?
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Now we got to ask.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the corner over there, and I see
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a guitar just sitting there. And people don't bring guitars
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: unless they want.
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: To use guitars or two guitars.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: People don't bring two guitars unless they want to use
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the met the people brother we on b T right,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: m hm, No.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Play a song.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: We got a new song coming out.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: No, you know, I carry my guitars with me, you know,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: like the character in Peanuts always has. I mean, it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: it's it's you know, it's a very secure thing that
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: for me really emotionally to have. So you know, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: knew we were coming here, so it's like, yes, I'll
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: bring my guitarist. I don't know whether or not I'm playing,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: but you know, just have them have them with me.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Just in case.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, call a guitar to have y'all sign it.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Well, if if if you got one somewhere.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: You should have put a guitar. I had to put
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the guitar there.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, next time, that's like.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Nowhere.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, you got new music coming out, you know
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: as usual.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: This liquor is like like like the record business.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: I have a lot ices for to sell this all
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: over the world. And uh we got this license here
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: in uh Saint Louis, Missouri, and uh, I think it's
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: about two black people that have this, you know. So man,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make sure this liquid gold.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: It's should be like Jack Jack Jack Daniel's Force over with,
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: you know, and uh.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: You get it everywhere where where can we get? Ronald
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: Vaka and Brandy.
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: Ronaldsley liquid gold dot com, ronaldy liquid goold dot com.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: Give me a couple of bottles?
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: We appreciate your brothers for joining us. Yeah, thinking so
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: much and thinking all you guys are contributed to this,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: this industry, into.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Them man to this world.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'd like to be in your next music
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: video again.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: The last one, friends and family are heard close up
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: because I shot it myself.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: So the next song.
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: This has been a math.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Sorry for me, guys.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: You all get the kind of people. I'm not a
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: fan of a lot of people.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: I'm really not.
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: And I've been sitting here trembling. I am such a
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: fan that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: But you know them, you know, I know, yeah, I've
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: been to this.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Wife came in the door and he said, why are
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you changing?
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: No morning?
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: Okay, I do know them, but let's tell the truth.
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: I see them performing and when we were even at
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: the party of around so many people that when they
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: they're around them, it's hard to sit and have a
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: one on one and learn stuff.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: Now I am coming to the house.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: You're right, I do know them, but I have never
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: had an experience like this, Like you said, to break
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: you know, I say break bread or break liquor? Uh
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: and and really get to you all are always singing.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: People don't get to know you. So I thank the
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Breakfast Club.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: For this, absolutely, thank you.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all so much.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: It's the Brothers.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning all right now, thank you?
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh we we just gotta do one thing for BT, y'all.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: I will be back with more of the Isley Brothers.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club on B E T.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: Don't move more Isley Brothers.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: On B E T.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Well, keep in lock. We got more with the Brothers
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club on BT.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: What up y'all List the DJ n V Charlamagne the
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: God We Are the Breakfast Club. We're kicking it with
• 56:36
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• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much