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CLASSIC: That Time Chewbacca Needed Bodyguards · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our classic episode for this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's okay, it's it's it's all right.
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  Speaker 1: You might hear my pal doing some I would say
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  Speaker 1: eight out of ten.
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  Speaker 3: Ten, Yeah, I lost I lost it there at the end.
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  Speaker 1: No, you got you went Australia. I got excited, which
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  Speaker 1: is fine. We are bringing you a classic episode about
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  Speaker 1: that time Chewbacca needed body guards. Isn't Chewbacca himself a bodyguard?
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  Speaker 1: He's like Han Solo's bodyguard. Yeah, why did he get
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  Speaker 1: secret service for his own secret service?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just jump in and find out. Man, this
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  Speaker 2: is a wacky story.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. We spent a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of time before we went on air in
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  Speaker 3: search of the perfect song to open today's episode with
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  Speaker 3: and by Golly by Gum. I think we got it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's let's roll it. Just a clip of it.
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  Speaker 3: There was some scientists trying to figure out the sasquatch
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  Speaker 3: ridd all.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't they figure out it was a missing link? Is
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  Speaker 1: that the D? It is the D? Man, I love
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  Speaker 1: the D. I miss the D.
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  Speaker 3: They're back though, That's what could be more appropriate than
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  Speaker 3: the Tenacious D song about Bigfoot about the Sasquatch. Hello,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Ben, I am Noel, and Noel you found that
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  Speaker 3: perfect song as we were as we were looking through
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  Speaker 3: the internets to find a cool, fun song.
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  Speaker 2: What had to be the one, Ben, because there is
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  Speaker 2: really no finer song of the mystery of the Bigfoot
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  Speaker 2: the Sasquatch than in Search of Sasquatch by Tenacious D.
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  Speaker 1: That was also the TV show version. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it was actually on the record. It doesn't matter, but
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  Speaker 1: they may.
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  Speaker 3: The only way that song could be topped is if
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  Speaker 3: Tenacious D when they return, if they put out a
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  Speaker 3: reprised version, or they have the discovery of the Sasquatch.
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  Speaker 3: We want to, of course, bid a distant hello to
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  Speaker 3: our super producer Casey Pegram and a very close hello
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  Speaker 3: to our guest super producer, Paul Dectt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's seated right outside of the shipping container. We're
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  Speaker 2: looking at him right now.
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  Speaker 3: And our story today begins in the far West. They're
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  Speaker 3: in California specifically. It also incorporates not just Tenacious D,
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  Speaker 3: but another pop culture phenomenon, Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you come down on the Star Wars? Ben,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
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  Speaker 1: You for it? Again, I'm for it. I'm a fan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people who feels that you
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  Speaker 3: must choose between either Star Trek or Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 3: think they both have their merits, and although they're totally different, because.
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  Speaker 2: They're in space and they have Star in the name,
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  Speaker 2: we have to make a choice, we have to choose allegiances.
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  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: It feels a little it feels a little bit falsely
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  Speaker 3: dichotomous to me. Are you rebel or empire? You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's tough to make that call because having watched the films,
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  Speaker 3: the rebels are always the protagonists.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So an empire, they're basically a bunch of fascists.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man very much into uniforms and conformity. So I
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  Speaker 3: guess I would say rebel. But really, if I were
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  Speaker 3: existing in the Star Wars universe, all I would want
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  Speaker 3: to do is use the force, get my Midichlorians up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what about what about you? Where would you?
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  Speaker 2: So obviously rebel? It seems like a very unpopular decision
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  Speaker 2: to be empire, but people do choose that allegiance in
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  Speaker 2: the fan community.
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  Speaker 1: Many of you may know are.
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  Speaker 2: Compatriot Holly Fry from Stuff he was in history class. Also,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Plug a host of a cool show
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  Speaker 2: I'm working on with her called Drawn the Story of Animation,
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  Speaker 2: which is a partnership with Cartoon Network, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: really fun kind of love letter to all things animation. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: Holly the biggest Star Wars fan you could ever imagine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious, Use use your imagination. Think of the biggest
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars fan.
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  Speaker 1: Take it up.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of clicks from there, you got Holly Fryes.
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  Speaker 2: She has a rebel tattoo. She makes all her own
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  Speaker 2: clothes pretty much all of it is Star Wars themed.
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  Speaker 2: And when she overheard Ben, you and I talking about
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  Speaker 2: the connection between Sasquatch and a certain Wookie, her eyes
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  Speaker 2: lit right up.
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  Speaker 3: It's true, there is a connection. Now, fans of Star Wars,
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  Speaker 3: you will recall Chewbacca.
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  Speaker 1: Of course he is that it. We're in the throat. Really,
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  Speaker 1: I bet you can know that was close. Let's play
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  Speaker 1: a clip. Hey, it's better. As I was saying.
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  Speaker 3: Chewbacca is a Wookie, a tall, Harry biped and also
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  Speaker 3: intelligent as sentient being. He is best known as the friend,
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  Speaker 3: first Mate, cosmic road trip buddy of Hands solo and
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  Speaker 3: he is the co pilot on the famous spaceship the
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  Speaker 3: Millennium Falcon. He's also super duper tall, very tall, like
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  Speaker 3: seventh foot plus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it took a super duper tall
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  Speaker 2: human to fill that super duper tall costume, a British
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  Speaker 2: man by the name of Peter Mayhew.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Peter Mayhew, who might be unfamiliar to people who
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  Speaker 3: are casual Star Wars fans, wouldn't say that either of
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  Speaker 3: us or super producer Paul are people who can quote
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  Speaker 3: exact moments and know all the canon. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 3: we're super fans, but but we're fans, right.
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  Speaker 1: You like Star Wars? See all the movie I've seen
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  Speaker 1: all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll probably watch them again. And I'll say
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  Speaker 3: it in real life. I'm a very nice, compassionate person
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of empathy. But I think the Sith
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  Speaker 3: are cool. Wow, don't you? Okay, dude, the Sith are cool.
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  Speaker 1: Darth Vader is like the most memorable part of the
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  Speaker 1: first few movies.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, also played by a very tall man. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually quite appropriate for today's episode. How Mayhew found himself
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  Speaker 2: in this role in London back around the time that
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars was going into pre production. He was part
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  Speaker 2: of a profile that a London reporter did on people
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  Speaker 2: with big feet, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is insane when you think about funny. Originally, he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: supposed to beat Trabacca. Originally, I believe George Lucas was
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  Speaker 3: hoping to get a bodybuilder named David Prows to play
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  Speaker 3: the role. But Prows chose to play Darth Vader. And
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  Speaker 3: we should say Peter Mayhew, despite having a peak height
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  Speaker 3: of seven feet three inches or two hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 3: one centimeters, he does not suffer from gigantism, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like Wadlow had. Now, Yeah, he's just a big fella.
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  Speaker 3: He does, however, have a condition called Marfan syndrome, which
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  Speaker 3: is a genetic disorder of connective tissue and often that
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  Speaker 3: can lead to people having extraordinary heights.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and often very skinny. You know the band Deer Hunter,
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  Speaker 2: the singer in Atlanta band is fantastic. The singer Bradford
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  Speaker 2: Cox has Marfin syndrome and he's quite tall and lanky.
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  Speaker 2: The other guy you're talking about who played Darth Vader,
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  Speaker 2: he said he wanted to play Darth Vader because.
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  Speaker 1: He thought villains were more memorable.
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  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is too he didn't realized his
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  Speaker 2: voice wasn't going to be eased that Chanel Jones.
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  Speaker 1: He did a little bait and switch on him.
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  Speaker 2: And Mayhew also not his voice, the voice of Chewbacca.
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  Speaker 2: That sound we heard a minute ago is comprised of
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  Speaker 2: like a bear, a walrus, and several other animals combined
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  Speaker 2: to make that super cool sound. But today's story didn't
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  Speaker 2: take place until the third.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how you count them,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to. It's like an episode in order of
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  Speaker 1: let's do it an order of release. That's let's do
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  Speaker 1: it that way, just to keep it easy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The third Star Wars movie released that was the Return
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  Speaker 2: of the Jedi, which was the first Star Wars movie
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  Speaker 2: to feature If I'm not mistaken in Star Wars fans,
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  Speaker 2: please just just come at me.
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  Speaker 1: Be kind.
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  Speaker 2: No, don't be kind, be kind, Give it to me,
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  Speaker 2: be kind. Hit me with your lightsabers was the first
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  Speaker 2: one to feature the little guys, the little furry bear
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  Speaker 2: guys Ewok's and they occupied they were forest dwellers.
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  Speaker 1: The Forest of Indoor. Yes, Return of the Jedi nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty three In the film. You'll remember, of course, that
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  Speaker 1: Chewbacca is one of the characters who visits Endoor, and
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  Speaker 1: he is he has a nice rapport with Ewoks, being
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  Speaker 1: that they are both furry and lovable despite their size difference.
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  Speaker 1: But the story we're examining doesn't take place in front
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  Speaker 1: of the cameras while they were rolling and you see
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  Speaker 1: where they were shooting the scenes for the Forest of
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  Speaker 1: Indoor in state park. What was that state park? More?
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  Speaker 2: It is the Tall Trees Redwood Grove, located in the
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  Speaker 2: Redwood National and State Park in Humboldt County.
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  Speaker 3: And when this area has another notable thing about it,
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  Speaker 3: aside from being a site of Star Wars filming, it
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  Speaker 3: is also known as an alleged hotspot for one of
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  Speaker 3: the most famous cryptids in the United State's Bigfoot aka
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  Speaker 3: the Sasquatch, aka the Yetti aka swamp Ape, but that
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  Speaker 3: they call swamp Pape in Florida Skunk Cape, skunk Ape.
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  Speaker 1: That's another one. That's another one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, abominable Snowman in the Himalayas and sasquatch sighting or
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  Speaker 3: sasquatch hunting was popular enough in this region and remains
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  Speaker 3: popular enough in this region today that the filmmakers were
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  Speaker 3: worried that Chewbacca or Peter might get shot or harassed
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  Speaker 3: or attacked because in Bigfoot country there is a seven
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  Speaker 3: plus foot tall creature that is Harry that is wandering around,
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  Speaker 3: and they said, well, you know, that's kind of going
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  Speaker 3: to mess up filming for us.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have him getting shot. What's that cool word,
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  Speaker 1: the five dollars word for being Harry. Here's suit? Love that? Yeah, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I just love that word. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So they didn't have it in the script for him
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  Speaker 3: to be shot by Bigfoot hut hunters, but they had
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  Speaker 3: to make the movie anyway.
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  Speaker 1: The show must go on. So what did they do well?
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  Speaker 2: According to Mayhew himself, this is something of a sort
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  Speaker 2: of a Star Wars fan community urban legend, which is
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  Speaker 2: interesting considering it surrounds a big Foot story as well.
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  Speaker 1: That he had kind of a detail, sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of a protection squad, if you will, that were decked
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  Speaker 2: out in brightly colored jackets, like vests, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: you'd see Neon crossing guard vests or even hunters wear
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  Speaker 2: these kind of vests so that they can be visible
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  Speaker 2: in the forest and you know, keep from shooting each other.
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  Speaker 1: And be obviously not creatures of the woods, unless you're
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  Speaker 1: Dick Cheney. That apparently does not read for Dick.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, too soon. No, I don't think that's too soon.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's not too soon. That's a it's a sasquatch
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  Speaker 3: related But it's a great example of how easily accidents
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  Speaker 3: can happen while hunting.
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  Speaker 2: Hunting, especially if you know your mistake for a potentially
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  Speaker 2: dangerous predator or the target of your hunt.
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  Speaker 3: Right, because people genuinely believe that this creature, while elusive,
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  Speaker 3: does exist somewhere, right, and they want to Everybody who
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  Speaker 3: believes it wants to be the first person to find it.
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  Speaker 1: You kill it, You think you'd shoot it with a
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  Speaker 1: dart or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, because when we discover new animals,
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  Speaker 3: or rediscover animals they are previously thought to be extinct.
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  Speaker 3: It's a real tragedy to find out that they were
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  Speaker 3: still alive when you've killed one, right, or you've killed
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  Speaker 3: the last one of two or three. There's another reason here.
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  Speaker 3: I know this sounds like maybe they were being overprotective
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  Speaker 3: of Chewbacca, even though it's an understandable thing to have
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  Speaker 3: this detail. Something else happened in nineteen sixty seven in
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  Speaker 3: Humboldt count That both fueled the search for this cryptid
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  Speaker 3: and I think added some credibility to the fear that
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  Speaker 3: Chewbacca might be attacked. And that is a film. Are
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  Speaker 3: you talking about the famous Patterson Gimlin film. Yep, the
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  Speaker 3: famous Patterson Gimlin film which was shot in nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 3: seven alongside Bluff Creek that's about twenty five miles northwest
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  Speaker 3: of Orleans, California, in Humboldt County. And this film, which
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  Speaker 3: is named after the guys who shot at Roger Patterson
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  Speaker 3: and Robert Bob Gimlin. This film is so iconic that
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  Speaker 3: if you are a died in the world true believer
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  Speaker 3: of Bigfoot or you're an absolute skeptic. Either way, no
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  Speaker 3: matter how you feel about the allegations of this gigantic
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  Speaker 3: creature existing, you have seen this footage. You can go
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  Speaker 3: on YouTube and see countless professional documentaries, countless TV shows,
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  Speaker 3: and countless amateur documentaries attempting to analyze this. What a
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  Speaker 3: little less than one minute of footage of this large,
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  Speaker 3: hairy looking thing walking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you see it from behind and it
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  Speaker 2: it looks good.
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  Speaker 1: Although at the same time it's sort of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when was this, uh sixty seven, sixty seven. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Chewbacca costume. It looks a lot like
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  Speaker 1: the Chewbacca.
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  Speaker 2: Costume from behind, a lot like it, a lot like it.
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  Speaker 3: It absolutely does, because the big differentiation is the big
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  Speaker 3: differentiations between the appearance of Chewbacca and the appearance of
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  Speaker 3: this creature in this film are only discernible from a
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  Speaker 3: closer distance.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and my question for you, Ben is like, what's
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  Speaker 2: the backstory behind this film? Like how what gives it weight?
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  Speaker 1: Like why are.
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  Speaker 2: People still kind of thinking that this these people had
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  Speaker 2: no reason to like fake it.
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  Speaker 3: We can, yeah, we can look a little bit into
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  Speaker 3: the origin of that film. So Patterson read an article
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  Speaker 3: about Bigfoot in a magazine in nineteen fifty nine, a
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  Speaker 3: magazine called True Magazine, and then he visited Bluff Creek
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two, So several years before they film,
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  Speaker 3: they caught this film or made this film, right, So
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  Speaker 3: he was he was already kind of in search of Sasquatch. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit like the Tenacious d song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: According to author Marion Place, when Patterson arrived at Bluff Creek,
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  Speaker 3: he talked to tons of people who believed in Bigfoot
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  Speaker 3: and said, hey, it's out here. Not only is it
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  Speaker 3: out here, I can show you some stuff about it,
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  Speaker 3: I can show you some evidence. And so in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty four he returned and he met a guy named
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  Speaker 3: Pat Graves who drove him to Layered Meadows and that's where,
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  Speaker 3: according to this story, he saw fresh tracks, fresh Bigfoot tracks,
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  Speaker 3: and he thought it would be an amazing scientific breakthrough
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  Speaker 3: if he could obtain evidence that these were not hoaxes
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  Speaker 3: but the mark of an unknown human like creature.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I think for me it would be a lot more
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  Speaker 2: believable if it just happened to be some rando out
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  Speaker 2: in the woods with his camera that caught the thing, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, right like out of candidly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're they're filming their kid making a Sunday's
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  Speaker 3: and then it pans.
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  Speaker 1: To the left.
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  Speaker 2: I'd buy that much more than this guy who sort
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  Speaker 2: of had a result he was after and a reason
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  Speaker 2: to to want to be the guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Here here's the thing. He was constantly ridiculed for
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  Speaker 3: this search, and he was always running short on money.
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  Speaker 3: He founded this thing called the Northwest Research Foundation and
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  Speaker 3: use that to get funding for these bigfoot searches, and
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  Speaker 3: he conducted several expeditions, but he also had a financial motivation,
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  Speaker 3: It's probably the best way to put it. In sixty
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  Speaker 3: six he published a paperback about the search, and he
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  Speaker 3: added the income from that to the income from his lectures.
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  Speaker 3: I e ostensibly to just too fun further searches. But
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  Speaker 3: that's a tough call to make.
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  Speaker 1: I think so too.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, Ben, this area is just lousy
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  Speaker 2: with these kinds of reports in general, this humble area
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  Speaker 2: and the Northern California region in general, big old state California,
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  Speaker 2: and totally different like ecosystem and environment in Northern California,
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  Speaker 2: whereas in Southern California everything's a lot more arid and
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  Speaker 2: desert like up there, it's much more lush and green
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  Speaker 2: and these.
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  Speaker 1: Huge, huge trees, the redwood forests.
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  Speaker 2: I actually found Ben, a report dating back of the
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  Speaker 2: earliest one that I could find, from January second of
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  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty six from the Del Norte Record, and a
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  Speaker 2: correspondent from that publication wrote this from Happy Camp, sisk
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  Speaker 2: You County again on January second, eighteen eighty six. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what it says. I do not remember to have seen
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  Speaker 2: any reference to the wild man which haunts this part
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  Speaker 2: of the country, so I shall allude to him briefly.
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  Speaker 2: Not a great while, since mister Jack Dover, one of
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  Speaker 2: our most trustworthy citizens, while hunting, saw an object standing
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards from him, picking berries or
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  Speaker 2: tender shoots from the bushes. This thing was of gigantic size,
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  Speaker 2: about seven feet high, with a bulldog head, short ears,
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  Speaker 2: and long hair. It was also furnished with a beard,
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  Speaker 2: and was free from hair on such parts of its
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  Speaker 2: body as is common among men. Its voice was shrill
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  Speaker 2: or soprano, and very human, like that of a woman
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  Speaker 2: in great fear. Mister Dover could not see its footprints
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  Speaker 2: as it walks on hard soil. He aimed his gun
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  Speaker 2: at the animal or whatever it is, several times, but
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  Speaker 2: because it was so human, he would not shoot. Eighteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty six.
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  Speaker 3: Eighteen eighty six and those are that's just the first
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  Speaker 3: published report we con find.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go back even further. Ben, Let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the origin of this creature, the origin and lore.
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  Speaker 3: The strange thing about Bigfoot, which is at base a
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  Speaker 3: gigantic human like primate, right, The strange thing about it
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  Speaker 3: is that reports of creatures like these date back into
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  Speaker 3: the ancient empires and ages of myth and legend. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you will see reports of a quote unquote wild man
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: right that troope or.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: That wild man of Borneo for example.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Sure yeah, or something called the hairy Man. Folklore experts
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: like Joseph Campbell see this wild man in the woods
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: legend as a as coming from a couple of different places.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: One of the most interesting, if not the most plausible ideas,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: is that it's some sort of orally transmitted memory of
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: an encounter with the largest known primate, the extinct Gigantipithecus,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: which was ten feet tall and may emphasis on may
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: here may have interacted with early Homo sapiens like in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the Jungle Book. Yeah, like in the Jungle Book. A
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: spoiler alert for the newest jungle Book.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding, but the one depicted in that live action
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: slash CGI Jungle Book is like a giant orangutan looking creature,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But it is that extinct Gigantopithecus that would have been
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: native to that part of the country.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Asia India.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And fun fact, with the Gigantipithecus, at least in the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Jungle Book, and this is not too much of a
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: spoiler for the show. In the live action Jungle Book,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the gigantipithecus King Louis is played by Christopher Walkin, who
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: is going just full walking on that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: He is nuts. He's just taking a walk again for
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: some reason.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: It's from Brooks and he sings the King Louis song,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: but in a really weird, like spoken words stating way.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Christopher Walkin is one of those like just beloved actors
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that can only do.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin, right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you might disagree, but I kind of feel
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like it works and it's great.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But he's sort of like a Jeff Goldbloom, you know.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Well, here's here's a or an al Pacino. Right, here's
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: a hot take. I want to see what you think
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: of this. This is entire I guess this is sort
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: of related because Peter Mayhew's an actor.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Anyway, just humor me, go with it. Tell me what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you think about this.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: So one of the great differences between the lauded actors
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: in the States and the lauded actors in Europe is that,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: in the case of European actors, the A listers, the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: top notch actors are praised for their abilities to be
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: chameleons largely praised for their ability to become another person
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to slip into a role, whereas in the States, a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: lot of top notch A list actors are praised for
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: their ability to constantly be unapologetically themselves. And it's it's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: weird because it doesn't I'm not at all saying that
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: one is better than the other, nor am I saying
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that these people aren't amazing actors. It's just a very
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: strange interpretation.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Now, It's true over here we call those character actors.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: They almost get like a like a demotion kind of
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like you're that kind of a leading man.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: You're a character actor.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: You're always the cop, You're always the angry dad who's
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: almost had it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I guess when I say character actor, I mean
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is they are more chameleonic, but the
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: leading men are less so.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Right like al Pacino in Devil's Advocate and al Pacino
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: in Scent of a Woman. A lot of people would
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: tell you, and I love Devil's Advocate, a lot of
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: people will tell you that they're always the same, They're
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: roughly the same mannerisms or something. You know, even though
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I believe in scent of a woman, al Pacino plays
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: a blind character.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But you know what, al Pacino not tall enough to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: play Bigfoot, my friend? Not tall enough?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we pulled it back, Yeah yeah, circle back.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Not tall enough to play Bigfoot. Gigantopithecus though in a
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: larger sense, no pun intended, but I guess I'll allow
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: it was close enough to be like our guy for
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: this if we're trying to find a suspect for historical Bigfoot,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: because Gigantopithecus Blackie was thought to be closely related to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: early hominins, especially Ostrolopithecus, and this was based on molar evidence.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So the thing molar like teeth, yea like tevy.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: The thing about trying to figure out whether Gigantopithecus was
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the origin of the sasquatch or hairy man myths is
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: that when you look at it, as as we established earlier,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: when we get depictions of this thing, it doesn't look
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: like a sasquatch the way they are described from the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: nineteenth century on. It looks like a giant orangutan, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: it's got the big face flaps that are I'm gonna
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: say a big enough differentiator, Like its head is bigger,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: yeah than a sasquatch's head would.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Be, and its neck looks like testicles or something.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: It's got like a wattle. Yeah almost. Yeah. It was
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: also probably not super fast.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Oh I can't imagine, And unlike the depiction in the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Jungle Book, it probably didn't smash things and swing on.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Trees, nor did it have a strong New York accents. Yeah, no,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's true. But here's the thing.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one beef that bigfoot skeptics have is like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: where's the evidence.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Give me some bones, give me a body, show me
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the body, right, show me fecal matter or some nesting site.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but with gigandipithecus, you know, there is evidence you
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: could even find some of these. They're plentiful enough that
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you could find jawbones and teeth in like curio or
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: apothecary shops in places like Vietnam and India where these
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: creatures were indigenous.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So for traditional medicine, then one would imagine, right, that
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: would be the use.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, you know, these things would have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: been ten feet tall and weighed more than twelve hundred pounds,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: so totally in line with the type of stature we're
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: talking about for these wild men, these hairymen, these sasquatches.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And the thing is they're not just limited to you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: North America or northern California. They're all over the world.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, they're in Siberia. They're called the Chutrena there.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: The Australians would call it the Yawi, which I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: is a fun name. Absolutely, you may hear it called.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: The year in China. We mentioned the yeti earlier. There
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: are different the Yeti's the snow one right, yeah, are.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Abominable snows right, There are different There are different cases
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: of alleged physical artifacts being discovered or being held, such
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: as the Pengbuche hand. There was an alleged Yetti scalp
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to be around, but I think was
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: later disproven through testing. And this is a really controversial
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: thing because for some biologists, the search for cryptids, which
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: is an umbrella term describing any animal that has been
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: alleged to exist but has been not proven to exist
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: or has been officially considered extinct, and then you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: people think it may be rediscovered. Cryptozoologists are considered largely
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: persona non grata in the dingy pseudoscience in the academic world,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: because other scientists will say that these folks have already
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: decided something exists, and they're not practicing critical thinking, your
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: scientific method. They're just trying to prove that what they
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: came in believing was correct. It's a confirmation bias exactly.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And like our pal who made the film, like I would,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I would find that evidence quote unquote much more believable
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: if it if it wasn't somebody who already was looking
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to find something and then did this.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And until his death he maintained that he understood why
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: people could think it was weird, but he was not
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: hoaxing anyone, and he well, he wouldn't deny that what
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: he saw was legitimate. But then that also raises the
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: possibility that perhaps he was hoaxed mm, which is.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe someone was trolling him, yeah, or sasquatching him.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, maybe we could use that as a new
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: verb to get sasquatched. I like it. I just squatched.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: How about that? Squatched is good? Yeah? Squatch out? Yeah?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Into it? Yeah?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's incorporated into the ridiculous history lexicon.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put it into our burgeoning encyclopedia.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We have we have Son of a Fish, we have
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a ship show, and now we have you Just Got Squatched.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I have a few other ones,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: but recommend your favorite slaying to us.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: We do want to point out again we know how.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Ridiculous this, this fear may have seen for Peter Mayhew
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: and for the filmmakers, but even as recently as twenty fourteen,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: twenty percent of the US population one out of five
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: people believe in Bigfoot or something like it was.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't that like as many people as believe in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Big Bang theory.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, not the show, the scientific concept. I believe
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in the Big Bang.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I believe so good Sheldon, it's got hart, Young Sheldon,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: it's not good?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Is that a spin off? Yeah? What, young Sheldon?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing the just the thumbnail for that and thinking, wow,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I have drifted far from the mainstream demographic.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: He's just such a smarmy little little kid. He just
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: thinks he thinks he knows it all.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It's one of those those shows about like the genius
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: kid who gets to go to high school and he's like,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you know, ten or something everyone hates him, insists on
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: wearing the bows eye.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I digress.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: The kid that that plays him is also in that
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: show Big Little Liars, which is awesome. By the way,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that's a great show if you haven't checked that out.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: You're right, Ben, there was a legitimate fear for this
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: quite large tall man wearing this.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Here suit costume.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and on another show we've done. If you
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: want to learn more about Bigfoot, you can hear our
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: full interview with the founder and curator of Expedition Bigfoot,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: a one of a kind museum in up near l J, Georgia.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It's so cool, David Baraka.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like something you'd see in Epcot
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Center or the Universe in.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The nineties or something. It's really really neat.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: The guy's a super cool guy and believes this stuff
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: with all his heart.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And you can in the interview hear us ask him
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: some of the some of the same questions that always
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: come up, the tough ones. The question number one numero
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: uno is you know where the bones, where the feces,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: where the nesting sites and how much of a range
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: would a creature this size have to have? How much
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: food would it have to eat to sustain itself, let
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: alone to sustain and feed a juvenile version, right if
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it reproduces. At this point, there is no universally accepted
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: proof that something like Bigfoot currently exists, nor is there
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: proof that something like it existed in the recent past.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: The closest the closest known thing would be maybe misidentification
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: of large extant primates like gorillas or orangutans or the Gigantopithecus.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, maybe way back in the day, but then
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: again still very speculative. One thing is for sure, though,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: If someone who was a Sasquatch hunter was out there
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: in the area that is sometimes called the Bigfoot capital
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: of the world and they saw Peter Mayhew chubaka Everyone's
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: favorite Wookie, strolling through the woods by himself, they would
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: probably have freaked out. They definitely would have tried to
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: film him, harass him. I like to think they wouldn't
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: have shot the guy.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You don't think they would have noticed all the camera
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: crews and extras and ewoks and.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Stuff confirmation bias, though, Man, I guess you're right. Maybe
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they would.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And we don't want to get too far, too far
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: down the Bigfoot rabbit hole.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But it is interesting.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there are other situations like that where
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: in the course of making a film the filmmakers had
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: to take extra precautions or maybe even do extra cultural
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: things because of the values of mores of the place
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: in which they were filming.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I have no doubt.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah Apocalypse, Now there's got to be something with that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I mean that was a notoriously gorilla
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: kind of shoot, you know.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And the thing I've noticed too, like the here in Atlanta.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's like they call it yolly Wood because they shoot
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of movies here, and people I know
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that work in the film industry. Sometimes they they bulldoze
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, if they're gonna like shoot
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: on your street.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Don't really care about disrupting your routine. The US post
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a little bill and so you know it's coming. But
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I guess this is my life for
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the next week or two.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get the shakedown?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Like what if someone's filming on your street and they
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: say no through traffic, I might tell them that you live.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: There, I live here, I'm walking here. But here's the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: thing too.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: This, Like I said, this, this story about Mayhew and
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: the the the anti big the Bigfoot determined uh detail
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: has kind of found its place in Star Wars fan
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: culture as kind of a bit of a of an
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: urban legend. But Mayhew himself was asked this in an
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: ama on Reddit in.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: A teen and he did confirm this is true.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He said, yes, that is absolutely true. But then some
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: intrepid Star Wars fans did a little digging and kind
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of got clarification that he was really more warned by
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: production folks not to walk off the set in costume
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: for fear that he might get shot by hunters, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: they reminded him remember this is Bigfoot country.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So you know, memory is a funny thing. The story's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: kind of true, it has a seed of truth.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: But this idea of dudes and you know, brightly colored
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: vests there specifically to protect this one actor in this
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: costume a.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Little little bit of an exact. Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And the thing is that if you would if you
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: would like to become a sasquatch hunter or search for them,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you are absolutely free to do. So I'm gonna go
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: ahead and call it Noel. I don't think I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: think anyone's gonna find anything, But it's such a cool
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: excuse to get out into some of the most beautiful
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: wilderness in this country.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, the redwoods are gorgeous.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I've actually never gotten I've been to San Francisco, but
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I've not gotten to go quite that far up north.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But I think I will be relatively soon going up
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: to Washington State and Oregon for the first time.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: You've been You haven't been to Oregon before? No, I've
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: never been to. Oh, you're gonna love it. It's beautiful, very exciting.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: What part are you going going to Portland? Okay? But
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: then also, uh, like we're taking a road trip, so awesome.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: For a secret project, right right, right, Well, we are
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: almost out of time today, but we would be remiss
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: if we didn't mention some other fantastic and fascinating things
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: we learned about Chewbacca.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: One of my favorites is actually this comic book that
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: depicts a crash landing that happens with Han Solo and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Chewbacco and the Millenium Falcon and they go through some kind.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Of like wormhole of some kind and end.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Up in the past in like this part of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: country that we're talking about, right, And they are being
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: chased by Native Americans who are firing arrows at Han
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Solo and Chewbacca, and Hans Solo ends up keep getting
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: killed in this particular kind of non cannon Star Wars story.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: It comes from a collection of Star Wars short comics
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: called the Think Star Wars Tales. I believe that's right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And of course, you know, Chewbacca mourns his friend with
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: his famous yowl, his plaintive plant of Quala sorrow. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and kind of goes off into the wilderness alone. It's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: actually quite sad. And then the comic cuts to a
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: couple hundred years in the future and Indiana Jones shows
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: up with his now fully grown sidekick Short Round from
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Temple of Doom in search of Sasquatch. And it turns
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: out that said that Chewbacca is Sasquatch. I just like
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that alternate reality kind of like a treatment there.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lot of DC's Else World series or Marvel's oh
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what they call them, Marvel other Chewbacca facts.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: The character was inspired by George Lucas's dog, a big
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Alaskan malamute and named Indiana.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Named Indiana, we named the dog in Diada.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and it wasn't the other way around. Indiana Jones
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: was inspired by the dog the name.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And the name Chewbacca is derived from
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: the Russian word for dog, So there's a very clear
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: relationship there. And and and for anyone who's thinking about
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: some of the chronology of that alternative world comic book,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: uh Noel summarized, wookie Is are very long lived in
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: comparison to humans. At the time Star Wars is set,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Chewbacca is about two hundred years old. He looks great,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: he looks fantastic. He must be using herbal essences or
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: one of the fancy shampoos.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe for hymns. Maybe maybe he's using for him. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: keeps him a virile.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And he was quite virile because in the much maligned
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Star Wars holiday, specially with that which I'm not even
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: sure is considered canon, Lucas hated it so much. You
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: are introduced to Chewbacca's family.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you meet his You meet three members of
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: his family, his father Itchy, his wife Mala, and his son.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I think this is your favorite one, Nol. He's a
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: lumpy lumpy Yeah. These names are later later told these
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: are just nicknames.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They're nicknames, right, they're much longer proper Wookie names. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this is on his home planet of Kushik.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dad is out of chitcock. Very well done.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably terrible a man. We don't speak Wikie,
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  Speaker 1: we don't. Yeah, it's fine that we do our best,
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  Speaker 1: our level best.
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  Speaker 3: To our level sincere best, whether it's hunting bigfoot or
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  Speaker 3: protecting people from bigfoot hunters.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and we are off.
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  Speaker 3: We hope you enjoyed this episode at least as much
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  Speaker 3: as we enjoyed.
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  Speaker 1: Researching you know what. I enjoyed this one very much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm glad to say there's never
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  Speaker 3: been one that I thought was a track.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, seriously.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also a fun crossover between some of the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: stuff we talk about on our other show, stuff they
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  Speaker 2: don't want you to know, where we take a critical
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  Speaker 2: thinking approach to conspiracy theories like this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and stay tuned next week when we were going
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  Speaker 3: to do something completely different, exploring the bizarre story of
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  Speaker 3: Santa Anna and a funeral that he helped.
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  Speaker 1: Looking forward to that one too. We're having a hard
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  Speaker 1: time not telling you right now, I know we want
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  Speaker 1: to tease but not spoil.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so please join us for our next episode in
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  Speaker 3: the mean time, massive thanks to our guest super producer
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  Speaker 3: Paul Decktt, Thanks as always to Casey Pegram, thanks to
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  Speaker 3: Alex Williams who composed our opening.
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  Speaker 2: Music, and of huge thanks to Christopher Hasiotis, who has
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  Speaker 2: been doing amazing We're collaborating with us on research for
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: these episodes, so.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Our episode falls through a close, but you don't have
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  Speaker 3: our Facebook community page, Ridiculous Historians.
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  Speaker 2: We are pushing it hard because it is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun. And the thing is about Facebook, as you know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you have just like a regular Facebook page,
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  Speaker 2: the reach is you just don't know what you're gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: You might like the page, you might not see it.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the cool stuff that I look at on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook are like meme groups and Facebook pages like that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you know you're gonna get.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: The goods and the folks on Ridiculous Historians are a
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  Speaker 2: and just cool articles and discussion and you know, pictures
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  Speaker 2: of me and Ben doing weird stuff.
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  Speaker 3: There are some there's some very interesting threads and I
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  Speaker 3: hang out there. Noel hangs out there. We even cajoled
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  Speaker 3: our recurring arch nemesis, Jonathan Strickland the Quister, to post
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  Speaker 3: a picture of himself.
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  Speaker 1: As a child.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, at first I saw it from a distance and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: thought it was a joke because I just saw like
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  Speaker 2: a giant, weird clown.
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  Speaker 1: But when you zoom in you see Jonathan's tiny, tiny
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  Speaker 1: child face in the Hole's what I cut the cutout things. Yeah,
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