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Chuck & Buck 7-7 Hour 3: Danny Jackson, ABC's of the Mariners and where will Wright go? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: And there's a man lying down behind the wall, which
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Speaker 1: means the wall could jump. Tillman over the last guys
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Speaker 1: like tell that Lie nex strides twice and the United
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Speaker 1: States is.
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Speaker 2: Tie the game.
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Speaker 1: Trossar to the boline, gets across into Cattillar's rising up
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Speaker 1: and Belgium retake the lead. Moments later charge to Kettalara
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Speaker 1: climbs the ladder his second goal, and the US right
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Speaker 1: back where they were.
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Speaker 3: Knock it. Hey, great morning to you. It is Chuck
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Speaker 3: ballin Ashley Ryan with you. The US men's soccer team
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Speaker 3: knocked from the World Cup last night, the round of sixteen,
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Speaker 3: as far as they could get again this year, and
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Speaker 3: there really aren't many excuses, just reasons. They got out
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Speaker 3: played in every single way as far as we could
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Speaker 3: tell on this show and according to our text line,
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Speaker 3: according to every expert that I heard on the talking
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Speaker 3: head shows last night and into this morning. But we
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Speaker 3: want to check in with our guys, the people we
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Speaker 3: trust the most, and joining us now, one of those
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Speaker 3: guys you know his you know his voice, you know
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Speaker 3: his face. You've come to trust him like you do
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Speaker 3: your own mother. Danny Jackson now joins us here on
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Speaker 3: Chuck and Buck in the morning to talk about what
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Speaker 3: happened last night, a four to one loss to Belgium.
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Speaker 3: How are you, sir?
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Speaker 4: I am well. I feel injured and disappointed after last night,
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Speaker 4: but you know, good night's sleep and get through it. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: What what is in your opinion? Because there are a
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Speaker 3: lot of reasons to be frustrated and disappointed, But what
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Speaker 3: stands out most about that performance last night?
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, you can break it down a
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Speaker 4: variety of ways. We talked about it last night after
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Speaker 4: the game on the radio, and I think they just
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Speaker 4: did not turn up. With the game and the occasion
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Speaker 4: too big for the players as a group as individuals.
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Speaker 4: Was the noise around Balagin and the red card and
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Speaker 4: his availability for the game just too much on the
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Speaker 4: eve of the game and Belgium, which is well prepared.
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Speaker 4: There are a group of players who have been in
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Speaker 4: these type of situations before, both at the club level
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Speaker 4: in Europe and international level as well, and they were
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Speaker 4: just prepared for what the US was going to come
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Speaker 4: at them with, which was a boisterous crowd and incredible
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Speaker 4: build up to the game. Of course, the noise around
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Speaker 4: Balagan would have been a countermeasure for Belgium versus US,
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Speaker 4: they would have galvanized them as well, and they would
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Speaker 4: just came out the blocks firing. They controlled the game,
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Speaker 4: they controlled tempo, they got their early goal that took
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Speaker 4: the crowd out of it initially, and they played a
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Speaker 4: very good game. But for the US, they just didn't
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Speaker 4: turn up individually or as a group. And you can
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Speaker 4: point in a variety of different things, but it just
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Speaker 4: wasn't that day. As Ponchettino said, yeah, well, yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 3: We could point at a variety of things and maybe
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Speaker 3: we'll get to all of them before this conversation comes
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Speaker 3: to a close. But I want to point the finger
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Speaker 3: at Pochettino because if those factors did affect the way
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Speaker 3: you played in your biggest game of your lives, then
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Speaker 3: I got to blame the coach for that that he
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Speaker 3: doesn't have his team ready to play, doesn't have the
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Speaker 3: right energy, and Danny, I'm no soccer experts, so I'll
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Speaker 3: lean on you for this. But it just looked like
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Speaker 3: Belgium had an answer for everything. We did. Look like
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Speaker 3: they were in the right position all night long, and
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Speaker 3: the US never did look especially in the first twenty minutes.
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Speaker 3: Never did look like it was in the right position
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Speaker 3: to me. They were lucky to not be down five
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Speaker 3: to one at the hydration break. So how much would
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Speaker 3: you put at the feet of the head coach last night.
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Speaker 4: Well, I would certainly put a level of responsibilitium decision
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Speaker 4: that he made on the selection of Baligan. There's questions
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Speaker 4: whether you would should have started him on the bench.
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Speaker 4: Would that have been the right thing to do to
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Speaker 4: dispel the noise and the distraction around that the team
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Speaker 4: have prepared obviously without Baligan for a number of days,
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Speaker 4: when all of a sudden there's a one eighty split,
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Speaker 4: but also the best eleven players were on the field.
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Speaker 4: He was able to select through the recovery process that
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Speaker 4: the medical staff put together. The coaching staff were able
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Speaker 4: to put the best eleven on the field. Tactically, Yes,
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Speaker 4: I think that they could have done something a little
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Speaker 4: bit different with Balligan. He was so effective against Australia
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Speaker 4: at lumen Field by playing the ball down the channels,
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Speaker 4: playing the ball over the top. The back four of
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Speaker 4: Belgium through the Wall Cup so far shown themselves to
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Speaker 4: be vulnerable against tene goal. Obviously they gave up two
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Speaker 4: goals before their miraculous comeback in the last minutes, and
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Speaker 4: they didn't stretch the back four, they didn't take command
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Speaker 4: of that back four. But our defense as well, just
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Speaker 4: individually did not play well. They were on their heels
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Speaker 4: straight away and the field couldn't get tight and close.
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Speaker 4: I think Popstina made a change at halftime, bring them
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Speaker 4: Rainer on, and you could see the momentum shift. So
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Speaker 4: that was a good coaching decision from Pochettino to make
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Speaker 4: that choice at halftime and be decisive of that decision.
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Speaker 4: The US had some momentum and then of course the
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Speaker 4: horror show for that third goal just took the wind
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Speaker 4: out of any sale that the US had. And I
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Speaker 4: think just the fact from a coaching standpoint, you know,
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Speaker 4: like all sports, to put the players out on the field,
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Speaker 4: you give them certain tactics. Yes, you can question whether
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Speaker 4: the US played on the front foot. Should they have
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Speaker 4: come out quicker because Belgium had been slow out the
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Speaker 4: blocks on many games. Think about the first game against
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Speaker 4: Egypt here in Seattle, where Belgium played in their first game,
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Speaker 4: they went down a goal early. They had to chase
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Speaker 4: the game and bring Luke Carco on for that particular
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Speaker 4: game to get the goal or at least force that
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Speaker 4: own goal. So the US came out the block slow,
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Speaker 4: which I was surprised about. I think that was the
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Speaker 4: biggest market for me a coaching standpoint was Hey, play
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Speaker 4: on the front, foot play aggressive. It's what's worked so far,
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Speaker 4: and they just didn't do that.
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Speaker 3: Danny Jackson is with us, of course, the voice of
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Speaker 3: the sounder has been a huge part of our World
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Speaker 3: Cup coverage here at iHeart and Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 3: point three khr FM. Why would he not be and
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Speaker 3: we are, of course reacting this morning to a four
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Speaker 3: to one loss to Belgium and an ouster from the
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six World Cup. You brought up the horror show.
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Speaker 3: What explained? Is there any explanation for what Freeze was
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Speaker 3: thinking on that third goal that was allowed.
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Speaker 4: No, it's one of those goals that he'll look back
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Speaker 4: on and for many many years for his entire career.
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Speaker 4: I would imagine it was just a moment of hesitation.
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Speaker 4: Why does he try to pass the ball? You know that,
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Speaker 4: you know there's a whole adage of if in doubt,
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Speaker 4: kick it out, and he made the right call. He
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Speaker 4: committed himself outside his box. He took the ball off
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Speaker 4: his chest, just swiped your left foot against it and
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Speaker 4: just knock the ball up the field. Job done, people
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Speaker 4: will give you a round of applause. He didn't, and
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Speaker 4: it all fell apart there. Tim Reem should have done
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Speaker 4: a much better job playing the ball when he went
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Speaker 4: back on towards his goal line. He wasn't able to
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Speaker 4: clear the ball. But if you look at all the goals,
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Speaker 4: I think each of them were individual mistakes. The first goal,
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Speaker 4: they were not decisive to clear the ball in each
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Speaker 4: yard box and they let the ball bounce. That was
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Speaker 4: inside the first ten minutes. Again, why was the team
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Speaker 4: not prepared and on their front foot and defensively they
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Speaker 4: had to be that way, which they weren't. They of
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Speaker 4: course got the goal back, and then the cardinal sin
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Speaker 4: in soccer certainly is conceding so quickly afterwards, not just
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Speaker 4: from a momentum standpoint and the crowd, but also just
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Speaker 4: the way that the game was going to flow at
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Speaker 4: that point. They had the goal back, they were tied up,
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Speaker 4: and then they gave that one back so quickly, so
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Speaker 4: all the goals were preventable. That was one of the
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Speaker 4: really disappointing things from an individual standpoint, somewhat individual.
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Speaker 3: Rash right, what do we have to say about Christian
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Speaker 3: Polisic this morning? I mean, I've heard people just killing them.
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Speaker 3: I've killed him this morning. Our listeners are killing him
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Speaker 3: this morning. He is supposed to be our best player.
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Speaker 3: And to Ashley's point a little bit earlier in the show,
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Speaker 3: it didn't even he didn't even know he was out
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Speaker 3: there for most of the game until he got hurt.
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Speaker 3: So do we need a better superstar player than what
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Speaker 3: we have in Christian Polisic.
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Speaker 4: You need a group of players that are playing at
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Speaker 4: the top level and leaders at their respective clubs. I
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Speaker 4: think that's what I saw missing Polistic. Yes, did not
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Speaker 4: play well. He was poor. He looked like he was
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Speaker 4: lacking confidence for some reason. When he picked up the ball,
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Speaker 4: he wasn't driving forward in the way that he did
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Speaker 4: in prior games. Was the occasion too big for him?
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Speaker 4: I don't think so. He's played at Brussia Dorgmund, He's
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Speaker 4: played at Chelsea in the Premier League, has played in
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Speaker 4: Italy with a Similan, so he's played in huge games.
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Speaker 4: But there's a different expectations when you are the man.
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Speaker 4: Maybe You're not just one of eleven. You are the
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Speaker 4: guy that the US and the nation is looking at
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Speaker 4: to try and galvanize the team and push them forward,
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Speaker 4: both from a leadership standpoint and also just from his
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Speaker 4: technical ability in the final third to make things happen.
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Speaker 4: But I think the issue is I think the evolution
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Speaker 4: for this team is to make sure that players who
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Speaker 4: are playing at the US on the US eleven are
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Speaker 4: dominating their club level, are the leaders that other players
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Speaker 4: look to kind of pull them out of the trenches
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Speaker 4: to guide them forward. That is what I felt was
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Speaker 4: missing was a level of leadership when things weren't going right,
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Speaker 4: when the game was flowing in the side of Belgium
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Speaker 4: and they will get in momentum. How do you stick
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Speaker 4: in a tackle? How do you change things up on
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Speaker 4: the field, Because the coach can make certain tweaks, but
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, the players have to close
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Speaker 4: the ball down quicker, They have to be crisper and
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Speaker 4: sharper with the ball, have to move together as a unit.
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Speaker 4: They just looked disconnected and technically they just looked inferior.
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Speaker 3: Former sounder, now the voice of the sounder, Danny Jackson
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Speaker 3: with us here This morning, reacting to last night's four
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Speaker 3: to one loss to Belgium that knocked Team USA out
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Speaker 3: of the World Cup. So does this wipe away I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was weeks of feeling great about US soccer and
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Speaker 3: look like we were seeing an improved team that had
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Speaker 3: a chance to go deep into this and then to
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Speaker 3: not just lose in this round, but to lose decisively
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Speaker 3: in this round. Does that strip away all the good
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Speaker 3: that we felt and experienced in the previous weeks.
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I think I said yesterday
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Speaker 4: right after the game, I said two steps forward, one
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Speaker 4: step back. I think maybe it's three steps forward, one
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Speaker 4: step back. On reflection, I look at that first game
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Speaker 4: and think about the weight of the world in the US.
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Speaker 4: They did not come into the Wolf Cup in good four.
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Speaker 4: They had not kept a clean sheet, their defense was vulnerable,
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Speaker 4: they weren't scoring goals, they were getting outplayed, and the
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Speaker 4: expectation for the US was, Hey, you know, I think
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Speaker 4: we can get out of the group. I think we
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Speaker 4: can win the first knockout game if we win the group,
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Speaker 4: and then the round of sixteen fields like this is
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Speaker 4: where the team will land. And it ended up that way.
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Speaker 4: But I look back on that first game, I think
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Speaker 4: all the things that the US checked, they withstood the
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Speaker 4: pressure and the expectation and they played very well. They
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Speaker 4: came out of the blocks flying, They showed a level
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Speaker 4: of youthful energy all across the field. They were technically
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Speaker 4: better than Paraguay. They were dominant in all areas of
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Speaker 4: the field, and they scored four goals and all they
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Speaker 4: gave up a goal that they really dominated that game,
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Speaker 4: and I think that set them up very well for
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Speaker 4: the group stage. It set them up well for a
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Speaker 4: really good performance against Bosnia where they went down to
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Speaker 4: ten men of course at Baligan's red card, and they
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Speaker 4: still withstood that pressure and they came together as a
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Speaker 4: team and they scored with ten men off a free
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Speaker 4: kick from Tilman like he did yesterday. So I think
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Speaker 4: there are lots of markers where the US have shown
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Speaker 4: themselves to be advanced in their development as as a team.
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Speaker 4: But I think yesterday showed some of those cracks again
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Speaker 4: where some of the noise around the US team before
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Speaker 4: the tournament it red its ugly head. Yesterday from an
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Speaker 4: individual era standpoint, defensively looked a little fragile and weak,
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Speaker 4: and then offensively looked a little limp, And I think
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Speaker 4: that's what will be most disappointing is they had they
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Speaker 4: had played so well, they had done so much, they
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Speaker 4: had galvanized a nation around this team, and they just
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Speaker 4: fell flat, And that will be the most disappointing thing.
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Speaker 3: You've mentioned it a couple of times in our conversation,
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Speaker 3: but let me ask you a direct question about the
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Speaker 3: Balligan situation, where, if anywhere, was that ball dropped? I mean,
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Speaker 3: would you do you have possibly not played him in
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Speaker 3: this match because of all of the distractions and the
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Speaker 3: controversy that was swirling around it, or was it the
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Speaker 3: right choice to go with your best guys last night
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Speaker 3: and then consequences be damned.
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Speaker 4: I think the control was, you know, control the controllables. Pochettina.
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Speaker 4: This was completely out of his control. I think it
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Speaker 4: was a distraction. It certainly was a distraction. The noise
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Speaker 4: around the team was not about all the positivity in
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Speaker 4: the way they had played. It was suddenly about something
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Speaker 4: completely different. For a young kid like Balligan to have
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Speaker 4: to withstand that global media pressure. Now he has to
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Speaker 4: go back to France in Monica where he plays and
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Speaker 4: probably takes heat, which again was nothing to do with him,
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Speaker 4: But I think the responsibility of the coach is to
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Speaker 4: put his best eleven out there. Tactically, Rudy Garcia for
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Speaker 4: Belgium left his big guns out, He left Docu out,
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Speaker 4: de Bruyne and Lukaku and it worked. It worked very well.
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Speaker 4: Pochettina made a choice and I think it was the
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Speaker 4: right choice at the time. He was given a player
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Speaker 4: who was available now for selection, who was his main man,
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Speaker 4: who was the player had scored a number of goals
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Speaker 4: throughout the World Cup so far, so I think his
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Speaker 4: responsibility to his team was to play him. But in reflection,
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Speaker 4: was that a decision that maybe wasn't the right one.
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Speaker 4: Should he have started on the bench and maybe come
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Speaker 4: off the bench and said, hey, we recognized this is
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Speaker 4: an unprecedented decision that was made. It was out of
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Speaker 4: our hands. We recognized that he's going to start on
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Speaker 4: the bench and then he comes on in the sixtieth
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Speaker 4: minute with a huge round of applause from the crowd
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Speaker 4: and off you go. That definitely could have been an option,
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Speaker 4: but I think the responsibility of the coach if given
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Speaker 4: that player availability, I think he made the right choice
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Speaker 4: to prove the best to leven out in the field.
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Speaker 3: Well, US is out, Mexico had a great showing that
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Speaker 3: they're out, Canada is out, the host teams are all
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Speaker 3: out as we're down to ten and will be down
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Speaker 3: to eight by the of today. And yet, what more
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Speaker 3: can you say positively about what a great job all
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Speaker 3: three countries did at hosting this event, Because, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: know the US didn't go as far as we wanted
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Speaker 3: them to, but I as an American couldn't be prouder
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Speaker 3: and happier about the way we stepped up as host
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Speaker 3: for the world's biggest sporting event.
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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, It was absolutely incredible. I completely agree. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I think we've all seen tiktoks, instagrams and videos of
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Speaker 4: Europeans and South Americans and fans were all over the
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Speaker 4: world coming in with their color, their pageantry, their noise,
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Speaker 4: their desire and passion for the game, and it spread
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Speaker 4: across the United States, Canada, and Mexico. You've seen all
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Speaker 4: people walking into walmarts and targets and eating waffle House
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Speaker 4: and just incredible warmths shown by the world and also
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Speaker 4: the reflection of what great people are in this area
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Speaker 4: of the world. I think the Americans presented this game
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Speaker 4: and this World Cup in an incredibly positive way. I
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Speaker 4: think it has been nothing but a success. I think
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Speaker 4: the US hit the market they needed to from around
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Speaker 4: the sixteen. I think Canada did maybe the same thing.
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Speaker 4: Mexico had an incredible game, point the best game of
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Speaker 4: the World Cup so far against my team England, and
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Speaker 4: England scraped it through. But that was a memorable game
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Speaker 4: that will not be forgotten in a manner, in just
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Speaker 4: the passion and just the incredible energy in that stadium.
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Speaker 4: And I think at Luminfield last night, it was it
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Speaker 4: showed what this sport does mean to the US public
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Speaker 4: and what a successful team can do to galvanize that support.
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Speaker 4: I mean it was loud, it was in and out
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Speaker 4: the stadium, and I think the US have put on
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Speaker 4: a great show. And hey, listen, we've got Yes that
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Speaker 4: the host nations are out and that's disappointing, but I
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Speaker 4: think if you look at the players and the team
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Speaker 4: still in it messy to Embapate, to Harlan, to Harry Kane,
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Speaker 4: to Spain, there are some incredible games to come. Still,
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Speaker 4: I think the supporters have shown themselves really well to
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Speaker 4: the American public. I mean think about the Norwegians with
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Speaker 4: their Viking rowing to you know, the color of Columbia.
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Speaker 4: And it's been a fascinating, assassinating and wonderful World Cup.
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Speaker 3: How's the Jackson family back home feel about England's chances
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Speaker 3: now to win it all.
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Speaker 4: I think they're still a little bit tired after staying up.
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Speaker 4: I think the game ended at four four thirty am,
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Speaker 4: but they were. My mother was texting me a four
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Speaker 4: thirty in simple English way of saying it's few, so
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Speaker 4: you know, typical understated English. But listen, that was the
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Speaker 4: game of games. To go back to the Stecha Stadium,
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Speaker 4: one of the most iconic stadiums in the world, the
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Speaker 4: place that haunted England for forty years. With the hand
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Speaker 4: of God and Maradonna's miraculous second goal, we took on
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Speaker 4: what fella the entire English team for what has been
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Speaker 4: I think the best World Cup goal ever scored that
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Speaker 4: was in that stadium and that has haunted England for
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Speaker 4: many years. To go back to that environment, to play
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Speaker 4: in front of that crowd, that was just sensational. From
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Speaker 4: the minute that England touched down to the minute they
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Speaker 4: walked off that field, it was boisterous. It was hostile
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Speaker 4: in some way, but in a good way, and I
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Speaker 4: think that's been the positive about this World Cup. There's
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Speaker 4: been no animosity. It's been a joy joyful hostility, if
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Speaker 4: you put it that way. But I think the English
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Speaker 4: had got through that game and I think they'll believe
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Speaker 4: now they're going to go and play an incredible game
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Speaker 4: against Earling Harland and the Norwegians that came through Brazil.
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Speaker 4: They'll play that game on Saturday. But hey, listen, the
18:59
Speaker 4: matchup I think works well for them. They know Harland
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Speaker 4: for the Premier League, they know the Norwegian team, how
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Speaker 4: they play. They match up well with them because it's
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Speaker 4: very much like an English style team that they play,
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Speaker 4: or the style of football. And then of course, if
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Speaker 4: Messy can make it makes it through today, then of
19:19
Speaker 4: course Argentina potentially wait for England in the semi finals,
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Speaker 4: so there is a pathway there. I still think France
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Speaker 4: will be the team to beat. Whoever beats France will
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Speaker 4: win the World Cup. In my opinion, I think the
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Speaker 4: French are still in third gear. With the attacking prowess
19:36
Speaker 4: that they have, they could be a tough team to beat.
19:38
Speaker 4: But the English have shown that they can dig in
19:41
Speaker 4: and they can grind out a result when they need to.
19:43
Speaker 3: Well. Disappointing night last night, disappointing day, reacting to it
19:48
Speaker 3: here this morning, but you got a lot of great
19:50
Speaker 3: soccer still ahead of you in this tournament, so enjoy
19:52
Speaker 3: it and thank you very much for your time this morning.
19:55
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
19:56
Speaker 3: All right, Danny Jackson joining us right here on Chuck
19:59
Speaker 3: and Buck in morning. Coming up next ABC's of the MS.
20:02
Speaker 3: You're not going to want to miss this one Sports
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Speaker 3: Radio ninety three point three kh A r f M
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Speaker 3: the most important ABCS of the MS of the entire year. Really, Yeah,
20:11
Speaker 3: some things are going to happen here. Okay, Uh we
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Speaker 3: left off of the letter row. OH is for overthinking.
20:20
Speaker 3: Anyone's surprised that maybe the O is for organization? Is
20:24
Speaker 3: OH for oh for thinking this? OH is for odd
20:29
Speaker 3: decision to flip flop Kirby and WU for the next
20:32
Speaker 3: couple of days. Somebody asked about it on the text line.
20:34
Speaker 3: I did not have an answer for you, so we
20:36
Speaker 3: reached out to somebody that would. Our friend, mutual friend,
20:41
Speaker 3: Ryan Divish did respond to our question about why did
20:44
Speaker 3: they do this? And in essence Ashley. He said, just
20:49
Speaker 3: basically slotting.
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Speaker 2: He said it's possible.
20:52
Speaker 5: He said they didn't really the Marriagers didn't explain it
20:54
Speaker 5: basically to any of the reporters, and I don't think
20:56
Speaker 5: anyone's had a chance to ask yet. But he said
21:01
Speaker 5: it could be that Kirby wanted an extra day, or
21:03
Speaker 5: it could be slotting after the break. Okay, My question
21:08
Speaker 5: is though, I mean, you're gonna have a whole week
21:10
Speaker 5: off basically, not a whole week, but four days. Yeah,
21:14
Speaker 5: you could really put anyone anywhere after that.
21:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm done trying to predict how they handle
21:20
Speaker 3: coming out. We all think that a team uses that
21:25
Speaker 3: All Star break to then set their rotation perfectly for
21:30
Speaker 3: going forward, and it never works out that.
21:31
Speaker 2: Way, right.
21:32
Speaker 3: I mean, they used to do that. We grew up
21:35
Speaker 3: with that, But in the last five years, I don't
21:38
Speaker 3: know what goes into the decision of who starts. I
21:41
Speaker 3: think maybe it is just who feels the best right now,
21:44
Speaker 3: or who did the least amount of drinking over the
21:47
Speaker 3: last four days. I don't know what it is, but
21:49
Speaker 3: it never makes sense, right, So don't think that whoever
21:52
Speaker 3: starts Day one of the second half of the season
21:54
Speaker 3: coming out of the All Star break would be the
21:56
Speaker 3: day one starter, Game one starter of a playoff series,
22:00
Speaker 3: because they just don't do that anymore. So we don't
22:02
Speaker 3: know what their method is, but it won't make sense.
22:04
Speaker 5: I can promise you that we don't even know if
22:06
Speaker 5: we're going to have five people in the rotation or
22:08
Speaker 5: six people or five and a half.
22:10
Speaker 2: We have no clue.
22:11
Speaker 3: Seven eight, who knows?
22:13
Speaker 2: Who knows?
22:14
Speaker 3: P is four playoffs. And I just pulled off a
22:19
Speaker 3: trade in the last hour. I did, oh yeah, yeah
22:23
Speaker 3: by Spencer, Steer, TJ and Tone trade that I threw
22:26
Speaker 3: out there, and I said, this is the trade that
22:29
Speaker 3: they're going to make. I just so I just spent
22:31
Speaker 3: some time during the break just jotting down the roster, okay,
22:35
Speaker 3: and what our playoff roster could look and I'm including
22:38
Speaker 3: that trade, okay. I just want you to just absorb
22:42
Speaker 3: this catcher cal Raley, and of course we're expecting a
22:46
Speaker 3: better second half from him. We have to get a
22:48
Speaker 3: better second half. Naylor at first, Cole Young now established
22:52
Speaker 3: as damn near an all start. Second, Colt Emerson getting
22:55
Speaker 3: better theoretically with every day the more experience that he gets.
23:00
Speaker 3: JP at third, mm hmmm, put a pen in that.
23:05
Speaker 2: Okay, did you see my eyes going?
23:09
Speaker 3: If I have time, I'll circle back to a Rozarina left,
23:12
Speaker 3: Rodriguez in center, Raley and Steer are your right fielders now,
23:17
Speaker 3: and Canzone is your full time DH. Okay, then you
23:20
Speaker 3: had to have a bench of Garver, Raley, or Steer.
23:26
Speaker 3: I still have Roeblaze, but you could have Montes. Yeah,
23:31
Speaker 3: and then Donovan being activated. Who's now coming off our bench?
23:35
Speaker 4: Now?
23:36
Speaker 5: And then yeah, is there anyone on that bench that
23:37
Speaker 5: you wouldn't feel comfortable going in the game?
23:39
Speaker 3: I feel great about Oh, I think we have too.
23:42
Speaker 2: Many Yeah, that'd be great.
23:43
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, we got too many guys and
23:44
Speaker 3: we don't even have an extra utility infielder, which every
23:48
Speaker 3: roster feels better about. But when you have Young can
23:50
Speaker 3: play shortstop and second, and Crawford can play shortstop in third,
23:53
Speaker 3: and Emerson can play shortstop and third, and Donovan can
23:56
Speaker 3: play second and third, and Steer can even play He's
23:59
Speaker 3: played thirteen games at the second base and has also
24:02
Speaker 3: played first base this year. You're covered, so you really
24:05
Speaker 3: do get to put just weapons coming off of your bench,
24:08
Speaker 3: with the exception of your backup catcher. So you might
24:10
Speaker 3: have one guy too many, and you have the potential
24:13
Speaker 3: to possibly have Montes in here somewhere by the time
24:17
Speaker 3: that the playoffs rule. Now that's if everybody stays healthy.
24:21
Speaker 3: That is one hell of a group right there.
24:23
Speaker 5: Does it concern you at all that with too many
24:26
Speaker 5: because we have dealt with this problem pitching wise, that
24:29
Speaker 5: the Mariners would oh overthink.
24:33
Speaker 2: How to handle well, all of that bench that's possible.
24:36
Speaker 3: And then there's also this, And I don't mean to
24:39
Speaker 3: keep piling up, but JP doesn't fit. He's not good
24:41
Speaker 3: enough to make that team, right, and yet playing time.
24:44
Speaker 2: Would rather dominantly on the bench, though.
24:48
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather have Montes. Yeah, I just I mean,
24:51
Speaker 3: I've already got shortstop covered, I got a starter, and
24:54
Speaker 3: I got a backup. I mean, they're not going to
24:56
Speaker 3: do it, don't get me wrong.
24:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't want to keep piling on.
24:59
Speaker 3: But the truth of the mat is, I just just
25:02
Speaker 3: don't think he's that good of a baseball player anymore.
25:05
Speaker 3: All right, Now, let's get to pitching, okay, because you're
25:08
Speaker 3: only going to use four guys actually in a seer
25:12
Speaker 3: in the first series. You're only going to use three.
25:14
Speaker 3: So think about that. Think about the depth that gives you.
25:18
Speaker 3: So Gilbert Miller one, two Hancock has pitched well enough
25:24
Speaker 3: to be your three. You have so much flexibility you
25:28
Speaker 3: could say, hey, you know what, Brian wu is our.
25:30
Speaker 2: Starter at home, right, That's what I was going to ask.
25:32
Speaker 3: Well, we'll use him out of the pen on the road.
25:36
Speaker 3: You and then you have George Kirby, who you could
25:38
Speaker 3: also potentially do that with, but maybe he's your road
25:43
Speaker 3: guy and Woo's your home guy. And then that would
25:46
Speaker 3: still leave two guys out of your starting six that
25:50
Speaker 3: then moved to the pen. Plus you've talked about adding
25:54
Speaker 3: Anderson and Sloan by then I just added tj Antone
25:58
Speaker 3: in our trade from the Cincinnati Reds. And you have
26:01
Speaker 3: Brashback Healthy along with Munyo, Spire, Farrara and Bizardo. Are
26:06
Speaker 3: you kidding me?
26:08
Speaker 5: Yeah?
26:08
Speaker 2: Yes, please?
26:08
Speaker 5: Can we sign up for that?
26:11
Speaker 3: That's fourteen guys you're only gonna keep. You're only gonna
26:13
Speaker 3: have thirteen. So one of those guys, I mean, health
26:16
Speaker 3: will take care of some of this. We're not gonna
26:17
Speaker 3: get We're not gonna reach the playoffs completely healthy. We
26:20
Speaker 3: got to get the playoffs first, But we're not gonna
26:22
Speaker 3: reach the playoffs completely healthy. But one of those guys,
26:25
Speaker 3: even if they were all completely healthy, does not make
26:27
Speaker 3: your postseason roster. It would probably be Slowan, probably be
26:30
Speaker 3: the young kid. But they have every intention of having
26:33
Speaker 3: Sloan and Anderson part of this postseason roster should they
26:37
Speaker 3: get there. You can't match up with that. No, no
26:41
Speaker 3: team can match up with that. Are you kidding me?
26:45
Speaker 2: That's that would be a dream come true? Right there?
26:47
Speaker 3: Your bullpen Munyos, Brash, Spire, Farraer, Bizardo, Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan,
26:53
Speaker 3: tj Antone, and then Wu and Castillo. Yeah, that's your
26:58
Speaker 3: bullpen and then a three. In a five game series,
27:01
Speaker 3: you might just need three of them. You could even
27:04
Speaker 3: throw another guy in there. Actually, in a five game series,
27:07
Speaker 3: you'd still need the four. But nonetheless, how loaded is that?
27:11
Speaker 3: How loaded is that? On both sides? The offense looks
27:16
Speaker 3: loaded too. And I trust that we're gonna play better
27:18
Speaker 3: in the second in the second half. So here we'll
27:20
Speaker 3: wrap up the ABCS because we are at Q. That's right,
27:24
Speaker 3: two rounds of OPQ today. Q is for quote me, okay,
27:29
Speaker 3: if this is our roster? Ay?
27:32
Speaker 4: Right?
27:32
Speaker 3: Here in my hot little hand. With that much pitching,
27:36
Speaker 3: that much pitching depth, that much offensive depth, that much
27:39
Speaker 3: defensive versatility, that much speed power combo. If that's our
27:47
Speaker 3: roster at the start of the playoffs, we will win
27:51
Speaker 3: the World Series.
27:55
Speaker 2: I gotta hold on, I gotta grab this.
27:57
Speaker 3: Quote it, quote me.
27:58
Speaker 2: I'm pulling it.
27:59
Speaker 3: If that is our are you kidding me?
28:00
Speaker 5: Who?
28:01
Speaker 3: The Dodgers can't match up with that pitching wise, there's
28:03
Speaker 3: no way. I mean, offensively we can't match up to them, right,
28:07
Speaker 3: But but pitching wins in the playoffs, Yep. They don't
28:11
Speaker 3: have the pitching to go toe to toe with us
28:13
Speaker 3: starter and reliever.
28:15
Speaker 5: If that's our group, which can I just say, I'm
28:18
Speaker 5: having probably the adverse reaction that I should be having
28:21
Speaker 5: to this.
28:21
Speaker 2: Because I should be like, oh, hell yeah, let's go.
28:23
Speaker 5: All I keep thinking, is all right, Please don't blow this,
28:26
Speaker 5: because look at what we could have. Just come out
28:29
Speaker 5: and play better baseball so we can get there.
28:32
Speaker 2: Please, that's all I want.
28:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I see what you're saying. I thought you
28:35
Speaker 3: were like, don't blow the I don't know how you
28:37
Speaker 3: can even blow this roster.
28:38
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
28:38
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, don't blow it to get there,
28:40
Speaker 5: because that if that is the possibility, if that's what
28:43
Speaker 5: we can work with in the playoffs.
28:45
Speaker 3: We're making the playoff.
28:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go.
28:48
Speaker 3: I mean that is potentially, I mean, I don't know
28:53
Speaker 3: if I've ever seen that much pitching depth on a team. Yeah,
28:57
Speaker 3: getting ready for the playoffs to be able to add
28:59
Speaker 3: to you of your minor league phenoms, possibly a trade piece,
29:04
Speaker 3: and have your six man rotation suddenly become a four
29:07
Speaker 3: man rotation, so you add two more pieces to the bullpen.
29:12
Speaker 3: Now we have to have a guy that knows how
29:13
Speaker 3: to manage that, which I'm not sure we do right.
29:17
Speaker 3: But you want to talk about bringing weapons, you're going
29:20
Speaker 3: to talk about never letting somebody up for air. How
29:23
Speaker 3: do you score runs? If you play the matchups off
29:26
Speaker 3: of this.
29:27
Speaker 5: And think of the game simulations. Dan can get in
29:30
Speaker 5: between then and now, between now and then a lot.
29:33
Speaker 3: Well, somebody needs to work with him, that's for sure,
29:37
Speaker 3: mister Miagi. Somebody let's learn balance. Daniel Son all right,
29:42
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's pretty exciting to me. I just
29:44
Speaker 3: did that little exercise in the break and I'm like,
29:46
Speaker 3: that is one loaded roster. Right there.
29:48
Speaker 2: Ye, are you gonna run that one by Ryan Heally?
29:51
Speaker 3: Maybe?
29:52
Speaker 5: I don't know.
29:53
Speaker 3: I don't know. I can do that briefly, maybe, But yeah,
29:57
Speaker 3: if you're adding just a couple sensible pieces, not some
30:00
Speaker 3: big blockbuster trade, couple sensible pieces, shore up your weakness
30:04
Speaker 3: against left handers to some degree, get Donovan back returns
30:08
Speaker 3: to a super utility role. Montes seems to be on
30:11
Speaker 3: the verge of making the major league squad. Anderson and
30:15
Speaker 3: Sloan are going to have spots. It sounds like on
30:17
Speaker 3: the postseason roster should we get there, Brash is gonna
30:22
Speaker 3: get healthier.
30:23
Speaker 4: Wow.
30:24
Speaker 3: That's exciting. That is just exciting, very all right, coming
30:28
Speaker 3: up next more on Shane Wright. I don't have the
30:33
Speaker 3: answer for where he's going to go, but it does
30:36
Speaker 3: sound like he's going to go Sports Radio ninety three
30:39
Speaker 3: point three kJ.
30:40
Speaker 4: R f M.
30:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not allowed to play that right to break
30:44
Speaker 3: the rules all yeah, I know you do.
30:46
Speaker 2: Cut it out of the podcast.
30:47
Speaker 3: We don't want to flaunt it. We just kind of
30:49
Speaker 3: want to skirt the rules. We don't want to like Yeah.
30:52
Speaker 2: I don't want to like just FIFA them.
30:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want to want it to be obvious
30:56
Speaker 5: that I've created my own rules.
30:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want a computer your bank's accounts. I
31:01
Speaker 3: don't want to rob a bank, right, Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 5: I just want to take small amounts incrementally, right exactly,
31:06
Speaker 5: just pennies here and there from everybody.
31:08
Speaker 6: So that you don't notice lump from one person. That
31:12
Speaker 6: sounds cruel, Yeah, yes, do the krack and have the
31:18
Speaker 6: right stuff to pull off a trade of Shane Wright
31:21
Speaker 6: here in the coming days.
31:23
Speaker 3: Well, oh, I don't know what do we have like
31:25
Speaker 3: three four days now? Where they made it pretty obvious
31:28
Speaker 3: this isn't This relationship is not going to get mended.
31:32
Speaker 3: And they can say we won't trade him unless we
31:34
Speaker 3: get the right price. I think you will think you
31:37
Speaker 3: are going to trade him, and I think you will
31:39
Speaker 3: settle for a little bit less than what you were
31:44
Speaker 3: hoping to get for him, but not a lot less.
31:46
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not just gonna give him away either.
31:50
Speaker 3: So if that's what you mean by it, I get it,
31:53
Speaker 3: and I think that that can happen. And I think
31:54
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a fevered interest in him. I really do.
31:57
Speaker 3: He's not that far removed from being considered a top player.
32:00
Speaker 3: I mean, we spent last the second half of the
32:02
Speaker 3: previous year talking about how great he looked, and we
32:06
Speaker 3: went into last season talking about how he's probably going
32:10
Speaker 3: to be the leading scorer and might be a thirty
32:13
Speaker 3: five to forty goal scorer for the upcoming year. He
32:16
Speaker 3: just did not mesh with Lane Lambert's scheme and Lane
32:20
Speaker 3: Lambert's coaching style, and apparently he's played his way out
32:25
Speaker 3: of Seattle. But I don't think that that. I mean, yeah,
32:29
Speaker 3: if there was only one other team in the league, yeah,
32:32
Speaker 3: you've diminished your opportunity. But as long as you have
32:35
Speaker 3: a lot of teams that are looking for twenty two
32:37
Speaker 3: year old centermen who were former top five picks, who
32:40
Speaker 3: aren't even close to the prime of their career yet,
32:43
Speaker 3: that have the talent that he has, you're going to
32:45
Speaker 3: be able to pit them one against another, and I
32:47
Speaker 3: think they're going to end up with a pretty good
32:49
Speaker 3: trade package. Now, there are a lot of rumors out there.
32:54
Speaker 3: Nashville and Montreal are the most prominent. There's a new
32:57
Speaker 3: one this morning about the New Jersey Devils. Could be
32:59
Speaker 3: interesting and Shane right, They're not going to be a
33:01
Speaker 3: shortage actually of people interested in adding Shane Wright, especially
33:06
Speaker 3: teams that are in some form of rebuilding mode, like Nashville,
33:11
Speaker 3: for example, is not in rebuilding mode. They actually went
33:14
Speaker 3: for it heavily in the last two years. They added
33:17
Speaker 3: Stamcost who's like fifty. They added Marcius so they so
33:22
Speaker 3: they have a veteran team, but they're backsliding. So I
33:26
Speaker 3: don't know where they sit. Maybe they're like, we just
33:29
Speaker 3: had a bad year, we'll regroup and get going, or
33:33
Speaker 3: they could be get rid of every veteran this offseason.
33:36
Speaker 2: Maybe even start young.
33:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we do need to start over since it
33:40
Speaker 3: did kind of fall apart this year. Maybe even Philip
33:43
Speaker 3: Forsburg is available at this point, but you'd have to
33:46
Speaker 3: give up more than right in order to get him.
33:49
Speaker 3: But the point of the point of the matter is
33:52
Speaker 3: that I think he's going to have a market, and
33:55
Speaker 3: I think that the mentality of the Kraken has to
33:59
Speaker 3: be to a rebuilding team that wants a good, young,
34:04
Speaker 3: talented center to build around going in the future, and
34:08
Speaker 3: in exchange, you flip us a veteran that can help
34:11
Speaker 3: us win now, right, that's the formula that you're looking for.
34:14
Speaker 3: And I think they are going to be several matches
34:17
Speaker 3: out there for Jason Botril to find.
34:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would hope so. And I think, you know,
34:20
Speaker 5: it is a tough line to walk there when you're
34:24
Speaker 5: trying to show people, yes, we would this player's available.
34:27
Speaker 5: We want to show them, but you're not trying to
34:28
Speaker 5: say like, hey, we don't value him at all. And
34:31
Speaker 5: that's how it kind of can come across like, well,
34:32
Speaker 5: they don't want him, so we can get him cheap.
34:34
Speaker 5: But that's how do you how do you manage that?
34:36
Speaker 5: I guess is the question you know of saying here, look,
34:39
Speaker 5: we've got this guy, this guy's available, because then everybody
34:41
Speaker 5: takes it as oh, they want to get rid of him,
34:43
Speaker 5: so what can we do?
34:44
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think you know who takes it that way. Bloggers, Yeah,
34:48
Speaker 3: you know people that really yeah, fans that started a
34:52
Speaker 3: podcast even though they weren't qualified. Those are the people
34:56
Speaker 3: that are like, oh, he's on the cheap, let's flip
34:58
Speaker 3: him this third round that we had this past year
35:01
Speaker 3: that we don't like and and some contract that we
35:06
Speaker 3: don't want, right, That's where you get that, That's that's
35:08
Speaker 3: kind of the point of having this conversation here this morning.
35:11
Speaker 3: I don't think the NHL is going.
35:14
Speaker 2: To react that way because they have to operate that.
35:16
Speaker 5: I mean, they have to do business right, So they
35:17
Speaker 5: have to talk to other teams and tell them who's
35:19
Speaker 5: available and who's not and what they're willing to get
35:21
Speaker 5: rid of the NHL.
35:23
Speaker 3: The rest of the NHL knows this is a talent. Yeah, yeah,
35:27
Speaker 3: he may have worn out his welcome, but we're not
35:29
Speaker 3: just bidding for Shane Wright. We're bidding against everybody else
35:33
Speaker 3: that wants Shane right. So maybe you do have to
35:37
Speaker 3: get less in return than what you could have gotten
35:41
Speaker 3: a year ago, But I still think you're going to
35:44
Speaker 3: get a healthy return. And I still think you absolutely
35:47
Speaker 3: could go get a good veteran piece to add to
35:50
Speaker 3: this team, like a very good player to a team
35:53
Speaker 3: that's thinking about the future and realizes we're not there
35:57
Speaker 3: right now.
35:58
Speaker 2: I mean, stamp there pretty quickly.
36:00
Speaker 3: Stam Cos is thirty six. I'm not saying that's the piece,
36:04
Speaker 3: but I'm just that's somebody who's like wiki knows and
36:09
Speaker 3: loves who won him a Stanley Cup in Tampa Bay
36:12
Speaker 3: for goodness sake, and so something like that. I'm perfectly
36:16
Speaker 3: willing to go for the thirty to thirty five year
36:19
Speaker 3: old Stamkos is thirty six thirty to thirty five year old,
36:22
Speaker 3: proven like I will change your culture type of player
36:28
Speaker 3: if you add me. I'm not only still have a
36:30
Speaker 3: lot left in the tank. I not only give you
36:32
Speaker 3: a very good player right off the bat. I'll change
36:35
Speaker 3: your damn culture if you add me to the roster.
36:38
Speaker 3: Somebody like that from a team that hasn't pieced it
36:43
Speaker 3: all together and needs to start thinking about the future.
36:46
Speaker 3: There are at least three to five teams that have that,
36:50
Speaker 3: and let them bid up the price for Shane Wright.
36:52
Speaker 3: All right, Coming up next, Ryan Healey's going to join
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