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Paranormal Investigation Debrief: Spirit Boxes, Dowsing Rods & Real Ghost Hunting (with Joolz Bailey) 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello everyone and welcome along to this bonus
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episode of The Psyche Explorer following up our
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paranormal investigation with Jules Bailey. In
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the last episode, it was a bumper hour and a
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half long where I was taken to a secret location
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and spent a very good evening investigating paranormal
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comings and goings. Jaws had a silver case full
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of gadgets and gizmos, which we used to try and
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detect ghosts, spirits, and paranormal anomalies.
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As I said at the end of the last episode, I didn't
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have time to splice in Jaws' interview to that
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episode. It would have been way too long. Thank
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you so much for coming back to this interview
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where we discuss how we felt the night went.
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I would really be interested to hear what your
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thoughts are. Are you team believer? Are you
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team skeptic? Are you team not quite sure? Let
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me know. You can find me at the .psychic .explorer,
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Facebook, Instagram, threads, even on TikTok,
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although I still haven't added anything to that
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yet. If you have any ideas, any thoughts, any
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explanations as to what we experienced on that
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evening, I'd love for you to reach out. Give
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me a shout. But for now, here is the lovely Jules
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Bailey as we discuss our paranormal investigation.
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Hello, Jules. Lovely to see your face again.
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How the devil are you? I'm really good. Thank
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you, Matt. Lovely to see you again as well. Thank
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you so much for coming on to this bonus episode.
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I wanted to... capture your thoughts on that
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amazing night that you invited me on. The episode
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was quite long, about an hour and a half long.
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I thought to add you onto that as well might
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be a bit much for the dear listeners. I thought,
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let's have a little bonus episode to analyze
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how the night went. From my point of view, Jules,
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I thought it was incredible, but I'm really intrigued
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to hear. how it was for you, because you do this
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a lot. Tell the audience, tell the listeners
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your background and your history with paranormal
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investigating. Oh, wow. I thought you said you
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only wanted it to be an hour. Okay, I'll try
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and condense it as best I can. Yeah, if you can.
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Okay, I'll try. Probably about 20 years ago now,
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roughly, I started going along to paranormal
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investigations. These were public investigations.
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The idea was that you pay to go on the event
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and they lay on all sorts of activities on the
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night so it would be vigils, it would be sitting
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in a room by yourself doing lone vigils with
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a locked off camera, they would do things like
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table tipping and seances and Ouija boards and
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all sorts of things to give you that experience.
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And I thought, my goodness, I love this. I'd
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had a lifelong interest in anything that was
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spooky, anything paranormal, ghosts in particular.
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So, yeah, I said, how do I get more involved?
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And they invited me and my other half, Andy,
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to join them, which we did. We were with them
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for probably a couple of years, I would say.
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And then we kind of decided that actually public
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events weren't for us. It wasn't really the route
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that we wanted to go down. As soon as you introduce
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the public to an event, then you've got a very,
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very different kind of investigation. Because
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you're no longer there just purely to investigate,
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you're there to entertain, really. I was going
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to say, does that introduce an element of their
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expectation being a thrill or being spooked or
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being something immediate? It does. And a big
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problem with that is... When people are paying
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money to go on an investigation, they want things
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to happen. And as the person who is facilitating
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the evening, you want things to happen for them.
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And I can really see why that would easily lead
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to some of these public groups. I don't want
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to say the word faking. Embellishing? Yeah, embellishing.
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That's a better way of putting it. Because you
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want the public to have that good experience.
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And if it means that maybe you do embellish what
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has happened, then yeah, I can see clearly why
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people would want to do it. And that was a part
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of the reason why public investigations just
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weren't for us. So we took a big step back from
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the public stuff and we joined a local paranormal
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investigation group called NPEG, Norwich Paranormal
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Experience Group. and they didn't do public investigations
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at the time it was just pure investigation and
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that's really where I learned my craft so to
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speak I learned how to investigate properly and
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it wasn't for the thrills and spills of the audience
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anymore it was just purely for the opportunity
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to gather evidence and that was very eye -opening.
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Sadly that group went down the public investigation
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route as well. And it's tempting to do it, you
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see, I can see why it's tempting because you
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want to be able to bring this to the public in
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a really interesting way and give them that experience
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of investigating in a way that is, you know,
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it's nothing like on TV, you know, as you experienced
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yourself on the night, of course. So, yeah, we
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spent a couple of years with NPEG, but they went
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down that public route. So in the end, I thought,
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you know what, if I want to do it my way, I better
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do it. my way and that's when I started up Spirit
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Norwich and yeah we don't we don't advertise
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we don't do public events particularly except
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unless it's for a particular charitable event
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or something along those lines. Yeah, pure investigation.
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Love it. That's what we're all about. Love it.
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So you've done this for as you said 20 or so
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years now a long time you've got a lot of experience
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because this was my first time experience in
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this. One thing I said on the episode and one
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thing I want to just re -emphasize today is that
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I felt you handled that investigation, that demonstration
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really professionally. I felt it was cool, calm
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and I felt like I was in very safe hands. It
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was a real professional vibe. and you had an
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explanation for everything, you were able to
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explain things in a really logical manner, which
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I really appreciated because sometimes in my
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mind I can get a little bit too logical and you
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were able to re -emphasize where I was probably
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right in actually that probably isn't this, it's
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probably a natural phenomenon or actually there
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could be something else going on here. I felt
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that we had so much activity that evening. We
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had the music boxes going off constantly where
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it couldn't have picked us up. I know it took
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us a while to figure out where the sensor radius
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started and stopped, but once we figured it out,
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we were well out of its radius and that kept
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going off. AM music box outside that picked up
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on a couple of little things I thought and we'll
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go into that later on in this conversation as
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well. The ghost tube, our own personal psychic
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sensations, the dowsing rods, the pendants, the
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noises that we heard, especially that one particular
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time. Is that normal to have so much activity
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in one investigation? I think it very much depends
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upon the location. some places you go to the
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minute you walk in you think oh yeah we're in
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for a good night some places you go to it just
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feels completely flat sometimes I kind of get
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the feeling that we have to increase the energy
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in the place in order to make something happen
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because I suppose if you think about it as maybe
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if we go to an abandoned site I'll pick a random
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site from the top of my head, St. Bennett's Abbey.
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You'll find many paranormal investigators who
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will go and visit this site. But for the most
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part it is a ruin in the middle of the broads.
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It's not easily accessible so it's got a teeny
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tiny car park. It's only really locals who know
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about it. Maybe you might get the odd tourist
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who'll go past on a boat but that's kind of about
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it. So for the most part it's just sitting there
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just being empty just doing its thing you know
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just being a ruin in the middle of nowhere and
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so that energy isn't there then you compare that
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with maybe if you're investigating a pub or a
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popular venue somewhere in the city or maybe
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even somebody's own home then obviously you've
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got that constant energy happening there and
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I think that helps with the communication and
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with the activity at the place so yeah very much
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dependent upon where you are I'm so glad you
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bought up St. Benedict's Abbey because when this
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first came up I thought oh I wonder if we're
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going to go there because it's literally like
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five minutes drive from my house and I thought
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that there must be something going on there there
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must be something there because you're right
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it is just this very strangely shaped um it almost
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looks like an old hop house or something something
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you'd find in Kent with the old this big cone
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or brick cone rising from the middle of the broads
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but it was once an old abbey And I thought, oh,
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I'd love to go there just on the evening and
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just sort of sit and just feel, see what I can
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feel. We'll have to go there another time, Matt.
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We'll just have to do another one and I'll take
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you there. How about that? If you're up for that,
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I'd be well happy. And I'll bring my mega powerful
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torch to blind any bull that might try and stampede
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us because my torch on that night was pretty
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epic. I bought that on Amazon. I was really happy
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with that purchase. That was a good talk. I must
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admit I had torch envy. I'm not going to lie.
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Torch envy. Love it. Yeah, yeah, I've given someone
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torch envy. When we started the investigation,
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you said that you've been there several times
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before this location, this particular location,
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and you said that you had encountered a spirit
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and you wondered if you were going to encounter
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that spirit again. It didn't make the final edit,
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but at the end of the night you said... there's
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normally someone or something in the graveyard
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and he's like a caretaker. Could you explain
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just a bit more about what has been your previous
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experience at that location? So, yeah, I have
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been there a few times in the past and every
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time I've been I have... bumped into a gentleman
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in the grounds and he seems to be either a caretaker
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as you said, maybe a custodian, a groundsman,
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somebody who is looking after the the graveyard
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itself and He always seems to just be kind of
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like peeking around the corner of the church
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and just kind of like, you know, watching what's
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going on and making sure basically that, you
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know, we're not going to get up to mischief in
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his church. And he seems like a really kindly
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gentleman, somebody who is really wanting the
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best for the place. And I think maybe having
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spent so much of his time in that place, I think
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he's probably still drawn to it. I haven't really
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been able to find out a great deal about him
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as an individual. He's one of those, the country
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sort, you know, where if you have a conversation
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with him, oh, you all right, my man, how are
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you? You'll just get, I'm all right, you know,
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yep, all right. A big nod of the head while he's
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leaning on his hoe or his pitchfork or whatever
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implement he's using at the time. And, you know,
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just one of those who's a watcher as opposed
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to somebody who's there to have a big conversation.
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Yeah. And may I just add as well, just for international
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listeners, calling someone my man is nothing
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too personal or over familiar. That is a very
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Norfolk phrase, isn't it? To call someone my
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man is a very Norfolk phrase. My man, my woman.
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Or my lovely, if you want to go like Rick Norfolk.
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I am a Norwich girl, so those little phrases
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do slip out sometimes. I love it. You can go
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20 miles down the road and you've got a different
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accent. I used to live in the West Country, and
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the Norfolk and the West Country accent is kind
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of similar, but not... It really is. If you can
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hear someone really talking in broad Norfolk,
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it's like they're singing to you, and all the
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end of the sentences just have this huge inflection,
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like they're asking a question all the time.
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Yep, every time I used to rock up to my nanny's
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house, she'd open up the door and she'd say,
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do you keep trotting, boy? Shall I get the kettle
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on? So it was always a case of, OK... What does
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that one mean again? Oh, right. Yes. Are you
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okay, neighbor, my friend? Would you like me
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to get the kettle on? I think that's what it
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meant. For a deal. So just to go back to this
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guy, this Custodian, you didn't feel him there,
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or was there something? Because we both picked
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up on something at the very end. And again, I
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don't think it made the final edit, but we both
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picked up on something in that graveyard to the
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right of the church. Did you feel him all that
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evening or not? Yeah, I think it was him. When
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we very, very first arrived, I think I said I
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don't know if I feel anything at the moment,
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but just as we were about to go into the church,
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I felt like there was a little face just kind
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of peering around the edge of the church. So
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I was thinking that when we got outside, we might
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have had some more activity, but maybe he was
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just a bit too chilly. Well, someone didn't like
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our lights. Someone didn't like my light. No,
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the box kept saying turn it off, didn't it? Very
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strange. Let's work our way backwards then. So
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let's talk about that box because we're talking
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about the custodian outside. You took out the
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AM box. So let me just replay a few snippets
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from that AM box. I switched my torch to on.
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Good. Just as we turned the lights on. Yes. OK.
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You'd prefer us to have the lights on, would
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you? Yes. Yes. OK. We've got the lights on for
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you. Make a lot of noise. Yeah. Thanks. These
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people make a lot of noise. Yes. So, you brought
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up something that night, Jules. The power of
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pareidolia. Yeah. Was what we heard some things
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you think, or was that the power of pareidolia?
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I do think it was something. The reason I say
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that is because we got those answers in response
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to direct questions, and those answers made sense
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at that point. And... I think as I said on the
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night, you do have to be very careful with anything
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that you use on an investigation. You have to
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use everything with caution. And that's not from
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a health and safety perspective, that kind of
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caution. It's from the, okay, does this actually
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make sense? Is this logical and is it applicable?
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Because it is just so easy to just jump to the
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conclusion. Yes, it's paranormal. Yay, we've
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caught some evidence. Great. But unless it is
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logical and makes sense to the question that
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you're asking, you just have to discount it.
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And a little bit later on, we were still using
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the box, but the stuff that was coming out of
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it, you could tell was just utter nonsense. It
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had changed. There were kind of like two halves
16:10
to using that piece of equipment, one half where
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it seemed as though the answers that we were
16:16
getting were perfectly valid and the other half,
16:18
where it was, just utter nonsense. For me, the
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music box was such a highlight of that evening.
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Once we had moved to the altar and we were asking
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our questions, it just kept going off. I was
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going to say at random times, but I don't think
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it was random. I think it was in response, because
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I had said... your rods are moving, mine are
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not. And let's just remind listeners the sound
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of that music box and some of the highlights
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of when that went off. This is called a spirit
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music box. So this is also a motion sensor on
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front here, just like the lights. So when I switch
17:06
this on, you'll hear really horrible, haunting
17:09
music. So be prepared. is we ask that our spirit
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team, so our guides, assist us now with this
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communication. The rods that Jules is holding
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start to move. So that's just like a little confirmation
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that we've got somebody with us, okay? That's
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our spirit team reporting that communication.
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Can you please move my rods to the direction
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of the font? Yours are going, mine aren't moving.
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So with this, to begin with, just hold the pendulum
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in your hand. Just feel... with us. You're very
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welcome here of course, we are in your space.
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So was this the church that you came to do your
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worship as a family? The pendulum say yes. Yes
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and it was boring. Were you bored? A very strong
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yes. Look at that strong yes. I don't blame you.
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What are your thoughts on that? You have got
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a lot of experience. I, for me, that night, that
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music box was the highlight. So what are your
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thoughts on the music box that evening? Do you
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know, when I first got that music box, obviously
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I was like a kid in a sweet shop and, you know,
19:06
new piece of paranormal equipment. Yay, got a
19:08
little bit of tech. And I excitedly popped it
19:12
on the dining room table and it just kept going
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off all the time and it was like... Okay, I've
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just been conned here, haven't I? Somebody's
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3D printed this little case and put a few little
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fancy electronic gizmos inside it and some flashing
19:27
lights and yay, they've made a paranormal bit
19:29
of kit. But the more I've used it, actually,
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the more it seems to be working in a way that
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can't be explained. And when you are talking
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and it goes off, it is like it is in response
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to your voice. and in my opinion that then becomes
19:49
very valid and where we had it situated in between
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the pews there was no way that our movement could
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have triggered that. You asked me on the night
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about whether or not my shadow could set it off
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and so obviously just to be the professional
20:04
paranormal investigator that I am I did dance
20:06
like a loon and wave my arms around. But it's
20:11
got to be done. Because if somebody asks a question,
20:15
then actually it's like, OK, let's just test
20:17
the theory. And that's, to my mind, what good
20:21
investigation is about. Let's have a conversation
20:23
about it. Let's test things out. Let's try it
20:26
out and let's see if we can discount it. So that's
20:30
why I was dancing like a fool. I thought it was
20:33
a brilliant piece of... I was going to use the
20:37
word evidence. But I stopped myself from using
20:40
it for some reason. I don't know why because
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it did go off very random Not random, but very
20:47
specific times. We were asking questions when
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my rods weren't working. It still went off I
20:53
felt to confirm what we were asking I just thought
20:57
that noise is so creepy, so creepy. Well, if
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you're going to build a bit of kit to use on
21:03
a ghost hunt, then absolutely make it the creepiest
21:06
tune that you can, obviously. What about the
21:11
ghost tube camera? You got out your secondary
21:14
mobile phone which has no access to the internet.
21:17
Since the evening, I've done some research on
21:21
these cameras, on these things, and I think it's
21:25
fair to say There's a big old split. The scientific
21:32
community are very much saying, no, there's absolutely
21:35
no way this could pick anything up. And the paranormal
21:38
community are saying, I hear it, but still. And
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that evening, I was very conscious that there
21:47
was something next to you. There was something
21:49
on your right. Yet when I turned around, it was
21:52
picking up. the pews and making the pews into
21:55
the shape of people. So I feel that we had the
21:58
best of both. We had, yes it was picking up on
22:02
the pews and it was making shapes from the pews
22:04
and the random different shapes in the room but
22:07
also it was picking up something where there
22:10
was nothing to pick up on. Absolutely and once
22:14
again some paranormal investigators as you say
22:18
think it's an amazing piece of kit and they will
22:20
rely heavily on it but it's just another piece
22:25
of kit to use to gather and to build evidence
22:28
and so I think maybe that's why you might have
22:30
been reticent to say the word evidence before
22:32
because actually it's that's only one small piece
22:37
of the puzzle that happened on that night and
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it's not until you put it all together that you
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think to yourself actually yes we experienced
22:45
something and with the SLS camera I think it's
22:50
good actually that you saw it showing shapes
22:54
when it was quite clearly just the edge of the
22:56
pews. Yes. Because it allowed you to experience
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when it was obviously something normal so that
23:04
then when you saw it when it was just beside
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me and there wasn't that pew next door then it's
23:11
like oh actually that's now different so you're
23:14
getting both sides of the story which again I
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think is valuable on investigations. And what
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I loved when I was filming you I was seeing something
23:23
and before I even said it, you were saying, I'm
23:26
feeling something on my right hand side. Same
23:28
with me. When I got up and I said, there's something
23:31
here, it's like someone's personal space and
23:34
you're like, well, let's have a look and yep,
23:37
there's something there. We both had that feeling
23:40
at exactly the same time as it's showing up on
23:43
the screen. I thought that was really interesting.
23:47
And that really is the... power of using that
23:51
kind of equipment because you use it in conjunction
23:54
with your own senses and with other pieces of
23:59
equipment and if all of the equipment is doing
24:02
something fancy all at the same time and you're
24:05
feeling something then you've got some good evidence.
24:08
At the end of the day it's only ever going to
24:10
be personal evidence. You could come to the best
24:14
scientific minds with the best evidence that
24:17
you could possibly find and they'll still find
24:19
a way to tell you that actually it's perfectly
24:21
normal. So we're never going to find actual evidence.
24:25
I've resigned myself to that fact well and truly.
24:29
How about the dowsing rods? Because that was
24:32
my first sort of foray into dowsing rods. I'm
24:36
aware of them. I had no idea that's what they
24:38
look like in their... folded up form. I was very
24:41
confused when you got this bunch of what looked
24:43
like to me Parker pens out of your box of goodies.
24:47
I think for me, I really struggled with them
24:50
because I was so conscious of my micro movements
24:55
of making it work. But then Since the investigation
25:02
duels. I'm also thinking well hang on a minute
25:04
even if they are my micro movements I don't know
25:08
the answers to this this thing I don't I don't
25:11
know the answers to it and actually if spirit
25:13
is tapping into me and using my body to communicate
25:16
Why would it not use micro movements to influence
25:20
the dowsing rods you do does that make sense
25:22
to you? It does, yes. I do think we still have
25:27
to be very careful when it comes to those sorts
25:29
of movements that we're not in control of because,
25:33
let me put it this way, we were using one piece
25:37
of equipment with one person and so the answers
25:41
that we were getting seemed logical at that moment
25:44
in time. Now take those micro movements and put
25:47
that, say for example, with a group of people
25:51
who are sat around a table and they're all touching
25:53
a planchette and they're at a Ouija board and
25:57
I will just briefly say Ouija boards can be perfectly
26:00
safe if used properly and by well -trained people
26:03
Please none of your listeners go out and buy
26:06
a Ouija board and start having a go because they
26:08
can be dangerous but if you are all there holding
26:12
on to a planchette then one person's micro movements
26:16
can set that planchette going because you're
26:18
all there wanting it to happen. And so the slightest
26:22
bit of movement and everybody can just run with
26:24
it. And I think that is where you can then run
26:27
into difficulties. And on an investigation in
26:30
the past, my other half, he wanted to run more
26:34
of a logical, logical, is that the right word?
26:37
I don't know. I'll use it anyway. Investigation
26:40
when it came to using the Ouija board. And he
26:45
sat everybody around a table and he blindfolded
26:47
everybody. And he was the one asking the questions.
26:50
And what came out through the planchette moving
26:54
on the Ouija board was utter tripe. And as soon
26:57
as he took the blindfolds off, then straight
26:59
away, it all started to make perfect sense. So
27:04
those sorts of micro -movements where it's a
27:07
group of people can be much more challenging.
27:10
So what are your thoughts on the dowsing rods
27:11
then? Are you pro -dowsing rods or are you...?
27:14
Cautious with them. I am completely and utterly
27:17
pro dousing rods. They have been used for hundreds
27:20
of years successfully to find water so I know
27:25
they work because how on earth is a human being
27:28
supposed to find an underground stream for example
27:31
We have utterly lost our connection with the
27:34
earth to be able to do that kind of thing and
27:37
yet you can get somebody in a field with a pair
27:39
of copper rods and they can go straight to the
27:42
water source. So they do work. They absolutely
27:45
do work. I've done public investigations before
27:48
where the members of the public have never used
27:51
them before and with hidden things around the
27:54
venue that we were at. Oh, I love it. And these
27:57
members of the public were able to find these
27:59
hidden objects using the dousing rods. And it
28:02
was overwhelming the evidence in that situation
28:05
that they do work. So, yeah, I'm 100 % behind
28:09
them. Okay, Michael. Michael, Michael, Michael.
28:15
This person, this spirit, this character, I feel
28:20
like I managed to form a bit of a connection
28:23
with this individual because I just felt there
28:27
was this real fun playfulness around him. I could
28:31
visualize him in my mind's eye. I knew there
28:34
was another element of his name. I knew his age.
28:38
as soon as he came through, I felt that he was
28:41
really curious about us and wanted to play with
28:44
us, and I felt like he was really interacting
28:48
with us. I've got on my notes here, Michael,
28:52
discuss. Whoa, broad, but okay. I'm going to
28:58
leave that one with you, Jules, discuss. What
29:01
were your thoughts on Michael? He seemed to be
29:04
very typical of the sort of... person, spirit,
29:08
that you find on investigations. Somebody who
29:12
has maybe seen the activity in a place which
29:15
maybe they would pass through, maybe on a day
29:18
-to -day basis while they're going about their
29:20
spirit life, and they saw something going on
29:23
and just thought, hmm, what's happening in there
29:25
tonight? I'm just going to have a pop -in. I
29:27
seem to get that quite a bit where you have that
29:29
kind of curious element to the spirit that you
29:32
meet. And I thought he was adorable. I thought
29:35
he was a very, very sweet little character. I
29:39
do think he was playful. I think that's why he
29:41
was setting off the spirit box, the music box.
29:45
But yeah, it's a very typical kind of thing for
29:48
me to encounter. I just got such a lovely vibe.
29:53
And that whole evening spent in that church.
29:55
There was nothing scary. There was nothing horrendous.
29:59
I felt nothing but love and calmness. That was
30:05
such a calm location. It is a lovely, wonderful
30:09
place. I do think an element of how the investigation
30:13
went on the night is down to our intention. We
30:16
both seem to be people who like to work in the
30:20
light and with love and I think that came across
30:23
on the night. We're both very respectful human
30:26
beings and at the end of the day it's their place.
30:32
We are the ones who are intruding in their space
30:34
when we go to these places and so my opinion
30:38
has always been to be respectful of them. and
30:41
then hopefully we get that respect in return.
30:44
And I think we've felt that on the night, as
30:46
you say, it did feel very, very calm. And it's
30:48
just the way it should be. Paranormal investigation
30:51
should not be sensationalised. Yeah, no, I agree.
30:54
I think I agree. I am, yeah, it's, yeah. I think,
30:57
well, again, just saying what I was saying earlier
31:00
on, the professionalism that you've conducted
31:02
this one with was just, I really appreciated
31:05
it, I really enjoyed it. Thank you. It means
31:07
a lot that you said that actually, so thank you
31:09
very much. It does mean a lot to me. No, it's
31:11
true. Honestly, I thought this was so... For
31:15
me, I felt that I was heard as well when I doubted
31:21
something, when I didn't hear something, when
31:23
I didn't think it was something that you were
31:26
saying or vice versa. I didn't feel like I couldn't
31:29
say it. I felt like it was an open forum. Again,
31:33
going back to that word, respect. Well, thank
31:35
you. And that is the way it should always be.
31:38
Always. Let's listen to the sound that we both
31:43
heard. Let's just re -listen to that noise. Yeah,
31:50
this is called... Did you hear that? Behind you.
31:57
That was just like a creaking sound of somebody
32:00
sitting on a pew, wasn't it? It was creaking.
32:03
I heard that. And I'm freezing at my back. Now,
32:09
since I've edited this episode, Jules, and since
32:12
I was putting it all together, I realised what
32:15
the beat was. Do you remember I said on the episode
32:17
it sounds like something is mimicking your speech
32:20
pattern? There's like a beat to it. Do you remember
32:23
me saying that? Yes, I do. Yeah. I figured out
32:26
what that is. That is because the microphone
32:29
is constantly switching on and off and it only
32:32
activates when it hears... a voice like when
32:36
it records. So the reason why it sounds like
32:39
it's in your speech pattern is because the microphone
32:45
is constantly turning on and off when you're
32:48
saying your words. And that is why it recorded
32:51
the background noise in that strange pattern.
32:55
Nonetheless, we still heard something and it
32:58
still picks something up on that microphone.
33:01
I thought that was amazing because we were both
33:04
just talking normally and we both heard it, we
33:07
both stopped and we looked behind you because
33:11
we knew it came from within the church. Absolutely.
33:15
And to get that kind of auditory noise, that
33:19
real confirmation that both of us heard as well,
33:24
that is... superb. It's not something which regularly
33:27
happens on investigations. So I was actually
33:30
over the moon when we both heard that. Because
33:32
you heard something earlier on in the evening
33:34
and you said it sounded like someone's skirt
33:37
swishing. I didn't hear that. No. We both heard
33:41
fireworks. We did. But we both heard this thing
33:46
which was not fireworks because it came from
33:49
within the church. It was like one of the pews
33:52
was sort of squeaking. Absolutely, it was kind
33:55
of like the noise of somebody sitting down on
33:57
it, wasn't it? That kind of creaking sound of
34:00
wood taking weight all of a sudden. So, yeah,
34:03
it was a really, really cool noise. Yeah, I'm
34:06
so gutted that the microphone didn't pick it
34:08
up properly, but I just wanted to explain what
34:11
that beat was when I was explaining in the actual
34:14
episode about it being a beat, and I now know
34:16
why that is, so I just wanted to explain that.
34:18
OK, thank you for that, because I actually, when
34:22
you said that, I was thinking, Hmm, it didn't
34:24
sound like that at the time. So why does it sound
34:27
like that on the recording? So that makes sense.
34:29
So, thank you. I thought the whole evening was
34:32
really eye -opening, really interesting, and
34:35
I liked how level -headed it was. You said on
34:38
The Evening Jewels that paranormal investigations
34:41
are not like they are on TV. They're not like
34:45
they are on Most Haunted. And in fact, you text
34:47
me beforehand, and when you gave me the coordinates
34:50
to follow, you said... be prepared for a really
34:53
boring night. It might be that nothing happens,
34:56
but it did. It was really subtle. It was subtle
35:01
apart from, you know, music boxes going off every
35:04
five minutes, but it was so interesting, so interesting.
35:08
So just thank you so much for inviting me. You
35:10
are so, so welcome. I have to also say that I
35:16
was very impressed with you because this was
35:19
your first investigation. And you just followed
35:23
my lead. You were professional yourself. Huge
35:29
thanks to you because it was an absolute pleasure
35:31
to do that investigation with you. Oh, I'm glad.
35:34
Thank you so much. If you want to do some Benedicts
35:37
Abbey, I am well up for it. That'd be brilliant.
35:40
OK, just a couple of questions just to wrap up
35:43
then, Jules. Why? Why do you investigate? What
35:48
is the purpose of this? Why do you do it? On
35:54
a personal level, I would love to be able to
35:57
find some tangible evidence. The very first experience
36:02
I had was when I was a kid. I was in a pub. and
36:08
you know back in the good old days where you're
36:10
allowed to go in pubs as kids and what have you
36:12
and I was sitting up on one of the bar stools
36:14
swinging my legs and drinking my lemonade and
36:17
I was having a lovely conversation with a man
36:21
who was up the corner of the pub and my mum and
36:25
dad were looking at me really strangely and they
36:27
said who are you talking to and I said the man
36:30
in the corner and I described him I described
36:33
what he was wearing and what he looked like and
36:37
the landlord sort of peered over the bar and
36:40
he said oh yeah she's seeing old whatever his
36:42
name was I can't remember his name now but he
36:44
got a picture down from just above the bar and
36:46
it was the old landlord and that was the picture
36:48
of the man and so from a very early age I've
36:52
had these experiences these encounters and I've
36:57
just wanted to understand for the entirety of
37:00
my life and so doing these investigations It
37:05
started off me just wanting to know what happens
37:10
to us. Why am I the person who can see these
37:13
strange things, whereas other normal people can't?
37:19
But then it's turned into so much more. It's
37:20
now, well, how can I help? What can I do to make
37:24
it better for some of these spirits that I have
37:27
encountered? Because at the end of the day, every
37:30
spirit we meet used to be a living, breathing
37:32
person. some of them are good, some of them are
37:35
bad, and some of them need help. And if I can
37:38
help just a little bit in that way, then I feel
37:41
I've done good stuff, I suppose. Wonderful. If
37:46
somebody wanted to start their own investigation,
37:49
how might they start? What advice might you give
37:52
them? I think the first thing that I would hope
37:56
they would do would be to go on other local groups
38:00
investigations. don't just go out there with
38:04
no experience whatsoever because at the end of
38:07
the day you could be playing with things that
38:09
maybe you don't understand. You can put yourself
38:12
into situations which maybe you don't know then
38:15
how to deal with it. I've been on investigations
38:18
before where people have had attachments and
38:23
through a huge amount of training that I've...
38:25
gone into myself with Reiki and crystal healing
38:29
and so on, spiritual healing and what have you.
38:32
I am trained and I know how to deal with those
38:35
situations, but if somebody wanted to do this
38:38
on their own, go along first of all to a local
38:41
group, do some public investigations, get a feel
38:45
for the type of equipment that is out there and
38:47
is being used so that you don't just spend an
38:50
absolute fortune on all the nonsense that you
38:53
can buy on eBay. People are very happy to sell
38:57
you all sorts of stuff that is absolute nonsense
39:00
but also by well hopefully by going out with
39:02
your local group you'll also get a better understanding
39:05
of what you're going to encounter physically
39:09
because you have to keep yourself safe you know
39:13
like be prepared for weather and make sure you've
39:16
got really good torch and all this kind of stuff
39:18
which you wouldn't necessarily know unless you
39:20
had been on a public investigation. Thank you
39:25
so much, Jules. Really appreciate your time this
39:27
evening. And happy Christmas. It's that time
39:31
of year. Well, it's Yule for me. I'm not a Christmas
39:35
celebrator, but thank you very much for the well
39:37
wishes. I was going to say, is it winter solstice?
39:39
Is it Yule? I'd imagine it would be Yule for
39:42
you. So yeah, happy Yule. I hope all of your
39:45
listeners have an absolutely fantastic Christmas
39:48
or Yule or whatever they celebrate to. Wonderful.
39:51
Thank you so much, Yule. Thank you, thank you,
39:53
thank you. You're very, very welcome. Ah, the
40:12
wonderful, the marvelous Jools Bailey for you.
40:16
I'm not sure there's much more I can add to that.
40:19
Let's keep this short and sweet, shall we? Let
40:22
me know what you think. If you have any thoughts,
40:25
if you have any explanations as to what we experienced,
40:29
as to what we heard, as to what we felt, I would
40:32
really love to hear your explanation. Right,
40:35
I'm going to wrap this up. Just a few things
40:37
to touch upon before I love you and leave you.
40:40
The first thing, pop along to my Instagram page,
40:42
the .psychic .explorer. On there, I have posted
40:46
some pictures from the evening of this paranormal
40:48
investigation. At the time of recording, Jules
40:51
has been unable to send me the video of the Ghost
40:54
Tube app. Her phone really does not connect to
40:58
any internet whatsoever, and it's difficult for
41:00
her to actually transfer it over. So I'm going
41:03
to try and ask her if she could take a video
41:05
of the phone. It's going to be a bit rudimentary,
41:08
but it should work. That is the moment of the
41:12
investigation when I stood up and said I can
41:14
feel something in front of me. Jules was recording
41:17
on the Ghost Tube app and saying that, yes, there
41:19
is a matchstick man in front of me. I'm going
41:21
to try and get that uploaded for you because
41:24
even I have not seen that video yet. The second
41:27
thing, in two weeks' time, no, not even that,
41:30
in a week and a half, there'll be the second
41:33
full episode of this winter solstice season.
41:37
That episode is going to be the ghost stories
41:40
that you lovely listeners have sent in to me.
41:42
They are not as scary as the stories that you
41:45
sent in to me for the Halloween episode. These
41:48
stories are much more subtle. These stories are
41:51
more, I find them more comforting. So if you're
41:55
not already, make sure you are subscribed and
41:57
you tap that notification bell to make sure that
42:00
episode goes straight into your podcast platform.
42:03
Whichever one that might be that you're listening
42:04
to my dulcet tones on. The third and final thing.
42:09
Tonight, the day that I'm recording this is a
42:11
full moon. I hope that this full moon brings
42:15
you everything you need. Love, clarity, good
42:19
energy. I hope that is in good stead for the
42:22
manic festive season that may be lying ahead
42:26
of you at this moment in time. Love you and leave
42:30
you lovely, lovely explorers. I will see you
42:32
next time. Take care. Bye.