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EP162 - Thirsty For Jones - Indiana Jones and the Dial Of Destiny · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  support, something that won't give them enough thousands of dollars. Dude, Thirsty
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  for Jonesy, I love it. That is the theme song of this particular
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  iteration of this podcast. Dude, I've missed you. Dude, I'm so
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  happy to be in the room with you again. I've been excited. I've
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  been excited. I like I've really really really missed talking to you about about
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  movies. Of course. So it's it's a interesting movie, dude, Like,
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  yeah, it's totally an interesting movie. I think I think that what
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  we should do is kind of do Boner Show style, where you give a
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  synopsis of it quick because it's new, right, like this is new territory
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  for people. Let's just get into that part of it and then we can
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  get into the nitty gritty. Okay, okay, because I just watched it.
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  I just rewatched a pirated version of it, and it was like kind
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  of like not like it was like shaky a little at times, and like,
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  you know, you know, this quality wasn't very good. So I'm
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  glad I saw it in theaters. But go go read read what the synopsis.
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  Okay, let me let me just pull up look, show up,
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  show up, back up Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which okay,
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  now upon having seen it, yeah, and also like that's cool.
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  I hate that people were pissed off about that. That's an annoying thing.
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  People were pissed off? Which one about Like the title Dial of Destiny,
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  I felt I felt bad about the title, but then then it didn't sound
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  like an indie title until it was until I consider this fully cannon indie movie
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  fully can fully canon. Yeah, totally directed by James Mangold, twenty twenty
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  three's Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny. Also it makes the other one
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  more cannony, totally to but it's better than the other one. I would
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  say, yeah, this one infinitely. This one is like very Indiana Jones.
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  It's very Indiana Jones, and it's very updated Indiana Jones. You could
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  tell that they scienced it. They were like, Okay, guys, this
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  is serious. This is fucking indie. We can't fuck with this brand.
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  Yeah, totally okay, sorry, but continue James Mangolds Yeah. Twenty twenty
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  three's James Bengeld, archaeologist, The Indiana Jones races against time to retrieve a
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  legendary artifact that can change the course of history, which is like a pretty
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  vague YAM DV title. It's totally. Yeah. It doesn't even mention Hellina,
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  who is the main character, almost de facto main character, And I
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  want to talk about that too, because that was like a big point of
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  contention for this. It is very much still an indie movie, very much
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  still a chapter in Indie's diary, but like kind of Van dem shares the
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  Marquis, which I like, I don't know if he shares it that much.
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  I feel like it's it's pretty. It's pretty decidedly in Indiana Jones movie.
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  It is. But she's she's more than She's more than a sala and
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  she's more than a doctor Jones. She is, but she is as she's
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  way more than it. She is a shan a god daughter Sean Connery though
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  with a cool new introduced character. He's pretty cool. It is and and
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  and she They did a really good job. She did an amazing job.
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  She did an amazing job. She's also we should say Phoebe roller Bridges Phony
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  Stark was able to build this in a cave with a botch of scrapped creeby
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  roller Bridges, Indiana Jones's title of destiny. It's Fleabag of Destiny. Dude,
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  Yeah, totally, she's Indiana Jones and the Fleabag of Destiny. But
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  they did a really good job because they kind of make her a bed first
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  due that was my favorite part. The reason it worked. And the weird
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  thing about Mutt is that Mutt was never totally this bad guy. Yeah,
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  he was kind of just sad, a fucking loser. You're old man,
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  it's a loser. She was definitely a teacher. Part five. It is
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  part five, No, it was more. This was more part five.
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  It was dark dude, fucking back in action, the way less tired Harrison
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  Ford jacked, slender Harrison Ford, like his body, Harrison Ford. I
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  was just like, whoa dude? Whoa eight? Like he went he like
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  something, I have to say, went way harder than he needed to in
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  this totally like definitely for sure was for real life riding horses in this movie.
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  Like eighty year old dude, eighty year old. He looked amazing.
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  He did look amazing. And you know what seeing it again with the bad
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  quality, the young face looked good. Yeah, I mean the young face
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  looked weird. It was the only was it was the only thing that I
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  was like when I was watching in theaters with we watched in London. Yeah,
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  when I was watching in theaters with, it was in like an empty
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  theater, no one else empty theater as well. Yeah, yeah, opening
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  weekend, empty theater. I do think this one's going to be a cult
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  classic. Honestly, it's pretty good. Like, yeah, I like,
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  let's let's get I would say, actually, maybe even I agree with you.
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  I think I think it might be I think it might be better.
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  But I think all the ones with the Nazis are just the trilogy. It's
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  the Nazi trilogy. And I knew what like bringing the Nazis back was such
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  a smart move, and to like position it in a time of like America
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  changing, American exceptionalism, going to the moon, no longer thinking looking back
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  at history. He's a fossil. People are not looking back at him.
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  Can I just say one of the best lines in the movie fuga doctor johs
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  oh dude. And most importantly, I do believe Harrison. I mean it
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  just brings something intuitive to it with a certain charm that that very few people
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  can do. Yeah, and working with Harrison, I mean he's like one
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  of the biggest movie stars of all time and now he's still going I think
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  he's nearly eighteen now and he's still throwing himself to all of these What kind
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  of lessons did you learn from him or what kind of conversations did you have
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  with him on the set? Was the only kind of wisdom that he imbued
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  on? No, he doesn't throw around with wisdom as I think. It's
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  just watch him, Just watch him, as you say, he him throwing
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  himself out there as as an eighty year old du stunts, going on his
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  bicycle after we wrap shooting, and most importantly the joy in his eyes of
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  coming to set and do this job. This is a super previous job,
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  right, and sometimes we would tend to forget it. But he doesn't due
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  constantly constantly the most we would just feel like every time he would speak,
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  I would think he did would either whisper or I would whisper dame if you
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  could google doctor Johnson constantly it's it was so fog and his like hanging stringy
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  bang yeah, with like Anna's like die job of like the half Grays.
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  Yeah, it was I think perfect. I think the casting of Antonio benderis
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  actually incredible. That Bears and and uh MutS Mixon were like so like better
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  than Bond characters. Yeah, better than anything they've been cast in before.
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  And there wasn't any such indie actors such Indie actors that Black Lady did a
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  really good job, such a good job, and like, okay, so
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  I want to talk about I want to talk about all of the stuff that
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  people were like, go woke or go hold on that we gotta get into
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  the world. Yeah, we gotta go into the woke and the broke.
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  Even though Barbie made a billion dollars, but it makes no sense that that
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  that's woke and broke is not a thing. It's not a thing. It's
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  not real. It's not a real at all. Dispelled that man. But
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  but what I wanted to get back to, just in terms of the India
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  actors, what was perfect about this movie the in in contrast to twenty forty
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  nine, which is also with also a legacy sequel. Also, Harrison Ford
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  that there as much as there was like reverence for the other movies, it
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  never took over the movie where like a Tony Vanderis and Matt Spieckelson were just
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  there as characters, fully inhabiting the characters. There was never a moment where
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  it was like, uh, like I recognized that this is a movie that's
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  part of this series. It was just kind of like they were there.
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  It was it was, and it was like it was really in the world
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  of Indiana Jones. Like it was like all of the like Danny Mulrouns,
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  I don't know what that means, and like side characters that you don't know
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  what like they're just you know, like it was just such a big world
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  and the movie had scale and scope, like it was filmed in real places
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  on locations with lots of like actors. He just felt the Jones was amazing.
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  The dude, My favorite part of the movie was was getting a flashback
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  as old, older than all young Indiana Jones, but a d aged to
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  make him like in his fifties. Fifties. Yeah, I thought that was
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  amazing, amazing. It was perfect scene because it was like him, oh,
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  Phoebe waller Bridge being smoothed to two. I don't know if you noticed
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  that, I did, but how they added the mole the little girl.
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  Yeah, but like her being smoothed was weird. That was even weirder to
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  me than than seeing Indie because Indie was like, well, he's just an
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  old man. I was like, did they even dagebus Eagle City looks exactly?
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  It looks like same. Yeah, But I thought that was cool.
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  And oh man, when he gets like fucking railed in the face with the
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  like with the train. Oh yeah, but no, no, no,
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  But Phoebe waller Bridge being being d aged that was weird. That was weird
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  because it was like she she's thirty eight or thirty nine. Yeah, she's
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  your age. Yeah, but but then also, oh man, I can't
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  I'm not gonna lie. Wait sorry, let me finish that thought. Okay,
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  she she It was weird because it was like she's supposed to be thirty
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  in the movie because she's twelve when he leaves and then they don't see each
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  other for eighteen years, right, right, So so she's like slightly young,
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  slightly younger. But they did dage her, yeah, because like I
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  was liked age her because I turned to Keenan and I was like, I
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  don't know, but something was weird about her face and it was definitely not
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  like makeup stuff interesting but I didn't notice. But but I now that you
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  mention it, that kind of makes sense. But can I can I just
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  say something, Yeah, they did something brilliant in this movie that I want
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  to like pause it to you now as a like kind of they Okay,
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  I have a theory that this movie actually really successfully did the in quotations woke
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  thing because they make Indie in his world a guy out of his time.
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  Yeah, he's a dinosaur in this world. Is he? We see him
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  at the beginning in the like nineteen thirty Yeah, and like, no,
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  no, it's the thirties. It's it's nineteen thirty nine. It's like the
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  beginning of World War two, wasn't it. No, No, it's the
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  first one is it's the end of the world. The first one is set
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  before World War Two. It's in nineteen thirty five. Sorry, Temple of
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  Doom is set in nineteen thirty five. Yeah, we need to figure out
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  the timeline because he forty four Nazis capture Indiana Jones at Oxford archaeologist Basil Shaw
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  as they attempt to retrieve This part is at the end of the war.
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  Yeah, this part is so we're seeing Indie older than we've ever seen him
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  in the previous previous movies. Well, no, because except for the fourth,
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  because we're he's older there. Yeah, he's his age there, but
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  during the Nazi period, Yes, we see him in the fifties, so
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  we get kind of like an inter quel almost it's cool. It's Indie interquel.
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  Yeah, I loved it, and you know what, it seemed like
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  even with the body double, it was fine. So can we go through
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  it in order? So the movie starts on this train and it's really cool.
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  It's very Indiana Jones. It's very Indiana Jones. It's a storm on
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  a train and it's Indie and Basil looking for the lance of Long Longiness.
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  Yes, so it's the lance that they they it's just Christ in the side
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  and he bled up. It's the thing that killed g this and it's supposed
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  to be holy. So like they're like, there are are the things that
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  we bumped for occult Lita and they're being very flu Germans. Yeah, there,
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  it's it's astrophysicist York and Faller. Oh dude, this this here get
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  from fucking flu My name is York and Faller, doctor Chance. As soon
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  as he said his name, it was like like and I were just cackling.
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  I mean, it's very fluke Dugamon, Yeah, totally, it is.
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  It's very night man. It's different than German because Germans more like,
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  oh is sometimes it's a little bit gentle, but the other times it is
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  very much like this, But it's never like that was just like we just
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  got all of our ship from the celebration. It's just like people yelling,
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  yeah, people yelling at being sad. You mean The Dog ninety five original
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  movie, Thomas Vinterberg's I think it's number two. It's the second one.
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  It's the second one. It's the idiots, the best one. It is
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  the best one. It's better than the idiots. Yeah, it's better than
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  the idiots. But it's a close second. Is is Julian doccy boy?
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  I mean, of course, but yeah, so but they and they find
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  out that the lance that they were looking for, that the German stole was
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  actually a copy of the lance. And but Basil realizes that organ flu a
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  googa yog Vola has half of the dial of Destiny Archimedes dial of Destiny.
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  Right, so it just like happens upon another extremely like powerful, valuable sort
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  of like mystical object. Which but what I like about it is the fact
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  that York and Vola is also obsessed with it too, so it makes sense
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  that he would have it. Yeah, and Hitler dismisses it because he's like,
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  this is you fucking sci fi moll shit. Yeah, because Hitler was
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  way more into like which like Hitler was like way more like a gonult totally
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  like this is way too like future and science fiction. But the fact that
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  it's Archimedes and that it's Greek, it's a Greek play. Yeah, totally,
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  it seemed by the way I try and I tried to watch myself by
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  Someone Have You Done? Which has the best Serbian translation, that is amazing
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  easy, it's a better title than the original. Yeah, it's so totally.
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  He can't even tell, just from the way the sentence sounds, because
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  it's much more it's what my son, my son, what have You Done?
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  Wants to be? Like the poeticism of the one is summed up in
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  the one title. We watched it. We watched it up until the only
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  thing the Greeks you how to play with is each other's balls. Yeah,
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  razzled and dazzled, but I razzled dazzled, and then William Dafoe being like,
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  excuse me, just so uncomfortable. But it made me realize, like
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  just how long Michael Shannon has been a household name for Like I haven't realized
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  twenty twelve or something I haven't realized, like how much he's gotten older now
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  and like he's playing like elder States when he's playing people who sound like this,
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  and they all I don't know, I don't really like what they did
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  to Zach. So I asked him and I was like, isn't that didn't
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  I die? Uh? Oh, it's like a multiverse. Okay, well
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  I don't know what that means, but I have to talk to Yeah,
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  he's so he's that's really good. So wild Now he's such an outrageous dude.
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  Yeah, I mean it feels very much like he's the kind of guy
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  that could barry Christopher Walking. Oh he's ready Christopher walkin. But he's not
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  as much of a parody of himself. But he's doing it for money,
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  but the one that would get Christopher Walking and then maybe goldbloomed, you know,
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  if if he had slightly gone more in a direction where a self parody,
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  Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean he I don't think he can
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  even do self parody. I think he just openly does things for money.
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  You know. I think the very first time that Jeff Goldbloom was very particularly
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  Jeff Goldblum was in Jurassic Park, because I just watched it, and he's
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  very like making chaos theory. Oh yeah, he's he was already like he
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  was always outrageous. He just got old, I think, so it got
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  become like it's like like eccentric old man. I was stuttering, like I
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  don't know it's dctor. Jones is now living in New York City and retiring
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  from Hunter College, which is pretty cool. Yeah, Marion has left and
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  filed for a legal separation. All of it's really cool. But we should
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  talk about this train sequence because it's it's a really Indiana Jones actual scene.
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  And it was nice that we got it because it was like the movie saying,
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  hey, he's gonna be old for the rest of it. This first
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  forty minutes is gonna be So that was just the thing. It was fine,
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  but I did feel at times more board than I wanted to be because
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  I was on board with it, but it was just there were times when
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  I was like, this is dragging a little bit. Yeah, they all
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  a little drag, not like this one. And I was like, I'm
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  sorry she slept through both of them. She was like, I'm sorry,
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  I want to watch. I don't know what's wrong with me, But yeah,
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  it's a it's a very cool sequence. It's funny. Yeah, it's
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  classic. It's classic in the way that like over hearing where he's like where
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  he like sees a Nazi and then turns around, but he is still in
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  the suit, and it'll be and it's like people figure the nazis figuring out
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  how he's the bad guy. Where he's like he's turned around taking a hat
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  off somebody, but but has like a bullet hole from the Nazi he killed,
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  and then they see that they start chasing him and shit like that,
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  which is all fun. It's very slapstick and like it's very it's very much
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  in the spirit of Indiana Jones and seeing him like younger than you know that
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  he is felt like like again, really cool and like a good thing,
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  a good addition to the lore of this movie. And they definitely would have
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  shot this if the technology was better, they would have shot this during the
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  day, but because they were like, we have to the only way to
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  pull off smooth facing a guy is to make it dark, make a night
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  time. Yeah, it really worked for me. Honestly, I was like,
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  I was like, it's weird, but I'm on board. Did it
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  looked enough like Harrison Ford that I was like, this is fine, It's
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  fine, yeah, totally. Like maybe if the technology gets better, we'll
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  look back on this and be like, oh that was so twenty twenty three.
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  Well, like you'll just see the problem is is that now, having
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  done like a bunch of different v effects work on my own, like you
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  can kind of tell what the limitations are, what the limitations are, like
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  for example, when lightning hit at one point, you can see the seam
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  as to where they pasted the face and stuff like that. It's just like,
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  like, you know whatever, Like it's fine. I mean, like
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  it's like the heart being ripped out. It's never gonna look real. It's
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  always gonna look like silly putty. But like like I don't know, it
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  looks pretty good then too. I feel like Indiana Jones is now canonically always
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  used the science of its time and the like visual effect style of its time
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  while trying to maintain a general Indie look, and totally now I can say
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  that, and you're right that this one makes Part four more cannon. It
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  does because like you see it and you're like, okay, Mutt is dead,
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  which is such a good addition and such a good way. So what
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  I wanted to say, was this is this movie updated the politics and the
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  like kind of feelings of its time appropriately to like a more different kind of
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  era of Americanism and like totally and like it really like not anti war stuff.
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  It peeps in there, Some race stuff peeps in there, but like
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  all with little kind of like touches and flourishes and mini criticisms of like the
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  past seep in but in a way that like is realistic for the movie to
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  do, to do. Yeah, totally, because the and the best the
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  good part of having Phoebe wall or Bridge in there and being kind of an
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  asshole is the fact that not only does she have an arc to change and
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  be like, well, my life as a criminal isn't as fulfilling as it
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  could be, but also having somebody who's not potentially replacing Indie removes the like
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  the mutt aspect of the Fourth One, but also places this person, Phoebe
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  wall or Bridge, being a person who can realistically criticize Indiana Jones, even
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  though from her vantage point, she's criticizing him in a way that's like,
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  well, I'm kind of a dick too, but I'm a better dick than
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  you. Totally and they kind of like call out Indie's dickness with her dickness.
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  Yeah, and I think that that was really tastefully done. And another
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  thing I wanted to say that was that I thought was very interesting was that
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  she she gets to kind of like like she has these like punchlines that are
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  kind of like capitalism, but like not in a way that it's like,
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  oh, I know capital where everything is just capital. It's true, this
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  is actually like applied to exact context, whether it be for his like adventuring,
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  whether it be for other pirates kind of stealing shit. But it's also
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  a comment on the movie and the franchising of the movie. The fact that
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  this one makes Part five makes Part four more cannon because it really anthologizes Indie
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  over now a huge block of time. Like we've seen Indie as River Phoenix
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  in like the like early like part of the twentieth century. Yeah, and
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  then to now have them landing on the moon and Indie's old and retiring,
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  that's cool and like so that anthologizes the character of Indiana Jones and makes it
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  like this is why the series is called Indiana Jones and the Blah, because
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  like we are checking in with this fucking cool guy who does kind of like
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  a like he's an archaeologist, and they comment on it that he goes on
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  adventures, but like it seems also like at this point, because it's we
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  see it's so far removed from all of the other movies and he's so old,
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  he gets to be more like, Yeah, the world went on without
• 26:48
  me, and I'm just a relic now, like nothing I am matters,
• 26:52
  and that really plays in because his son's dead, he's not with his wife,
• 26:56
  and nothing he does matters anymore. Nobody, like the students don't care
• 27:00
  air much like they didn't much like they used to care when they were like
• 27:03
  super in love with him. So now his relevance and his diamond isn't shining
• 27:07
  anymore. Yeah, totally, And he has to He had to figure out
• 27:12
  he had a real purpose. And this is why this actually should have been
• 27:17
  the fourth one, or these should have been the themes of the fourth one.
• 27:21
  He had to figure out what his relevance was again, which was,
• 27:26
  hey, you're old, you don't have to be an adventurer anymore. You
• 27:30
  can the desert man magical saw and he still had the majestical he was majestic.
• 27:41
  He was so majestic that it pulled off him doing broad face again,
• 27:45
  Oh dude, and him being like Indian brought me Like he does such a
• 27:52
  good job and it's amazing. He was like, no, guys, he
• 27:56
  needs his pr and his green card. The thing that he's a cabby too.
• 28:03
  They made it racist again. Is still well, but like it's just
• 28:07
  the kind of realism of the time. It's like it's like what it would
• 28:11
  be, just like some of the sexist stuff that he says to Phoebe Waller
• 28:15
  where he's like, he says some sexist stuff and she's kind of like what
• 28:18
  She's kind of just like fuck you. Yeah, totally and and like but
• 28:22
  just like even having like a classy scene where she's like because at first you're
• 28:29
  like, she they introduce her in a really awesome way because they make her
• 28:33
  fake nice, totally amazing. It's weird, it's a little weird head.
• 28:41
  But then you're like, oh, yeah, this totally track totally. The
• 28:45
  turn happens and she starts like she's like nope, Cela Roman run away.
• 28:49
  I was like, God, this is hilarious. And the fact that the
• 28:53
  fact that they're like relationship kind of builds over time, the fact that their
• 28:57
  relationship builds over time, Like she gets to be his short round in the
• 29:02
  movie, but then she also has a short Round which we'll get to.
• 29:06
  That was great. Yeah, so like that was kind of cool because then
• 29:08
  she kind of gets it kind of solidifies her like, you know, side
• 29:12
  main character status, and also like the ad the overarching adventure of it,
• 29:18
  like just kind of like I believe it, I want it was on board
• 29:22
  for the first side, yeah, for sure. And and like having like
• 29:26
  the reveal of her being that way happen in a classic tis Yeah, we're
• 29:33
  going to uh, we're going to a library that's full of dusty old books
• 29:37
  and we're gonna check out together. Totally. They always do that part of
• 29:42
  the movie where they have to check things out because they combined it's like they
• 29:45
  combined Journey. Yeah, it's like they combined Marian with uh, like short
• 29:52
  Round totally, totally, totally, and with a little bit of of in
• 29:57
  the nineteen sixties book. Yeah, with with a little bit of Henry in
• 30:03
  there, and it's like and but also with a little bit of just like
• 30:10
  well ceiling old man. And also the fact that her story mirrors his Part
• 30:15
  three so much it's kind of becomes almost a de facto Part three again,
• 30:18
  you know. And like sometimes you sequel a thing into like where do we
• 30:22
  take this? But like I really like where they took it, because like
• 30:25
  she's fulfilling her father's story totally in a way, and she comments on how
• 30:32
  like isn't that worth doing? And and it kind of resonates with him in
• 30:36
  the moment because he's like, yeah, I did that too. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Absolutely. We get to the New York stuff, which my name is doctor
• 30:45
  Schmidt. Changed this last name send it to avoid to avoid any being suspicions.
• 30:53
  That kind of inclusion is where it's like it became a rocket scientist,
• 30:59
  became a rocket scientist, helped with with uh in the American exceptionalism, how
• 31:04
  yeah, while at the same time, the America actually helped the Nazis in
• 31:11
  the first place by how they did their concentration camps totally. And and like
• 31:15
  I think that this movie like comments on some of that stuff. Like it's
• 31:18
  kind of like it's kind of like, hey, like you know, we
• 31:22
  really benefited off of the knowledge of these like horrible people who did horrible things.
• 31:26
  So it's like the movie acknowledging that, but not in a way that's
• 31:29
  like you know, I don't know, like in a very Indie way,
• 31:33
  Like it it felt very true to the lore of the story because because they
• 31:41
  did, they wouldn't have commented as much. Maybe they would have they commented
• 31:48
  enough in the same way that like if they had left that goddamn scene in
• 31:53
  the Temple of Doom where Indie finds out that Indian people or Indian he's suspicious
• 32:00
  of the Indian people because they don't eat meat, they left that scene in
• 32:04
  it's the same type of thing that they did with Oh right, right,
• 32:07
  right, right right, what do you mean where the Nazi stuff of like
• 32:14
  bringing people over is commented on vaguely it's not really a huge part of the
• 32:20
  plot, but vaguely commented on. No, exactly no, But that's that's
• 32:23
  how Indie has always done it, Like they always like comment on things indirectly,
• 32:28
  or like they don't always they're kind of like missed the mark. But
• 32:30
  like, it's also good to see a movie where Nazis are the fucking bad
• 32:34
  guys again, because like I think we need to get back to like that
• 32:39
  fictional era where we made Nazis like the existential like evil other bad guy,
• 32:45
  you know what I mean, Like because like I think that, like it
• 32:50
  is that kind of repugnant ideology, and I think it should be commented on
• 32:54
  in that way. And I'm glad that this movie did that, and I'm
• 32:58
  glad that it took some of that that that like, you know, I
• 33:02
  know, I keep talking about the wokeness, but like, I like that
• 33:06
  it did that. I like that it did that, and I like that
• 33:07
  it took the sixties version of how it was updated in the late sixties,
• 33:13
  playing the Beatles the Magic of Mystery too. It's so amazing that that's now.
• 33:19
  Indie Cannon. Yeah, totally. That was such a great scene where
• 33:22
  he comes with the baseball vat Jack Harrison. Totally, totally. Boyd.
• 33:27
  Holbrook Is also introduced the mustache bad guy, the blonde haird like bad guy,
• 33:35
  the tall really tall, muscular one. No, the guy, Well,
• 33:38
  he's I don't know, does he have a mustache. He's got the
• 33:42
  mustache, right, he's got he's blonde, and he's got an iconic mustache.
• 33:45
  He's got like a square haircut. Look him up, look him up,
• 33:50
  bisculle. Yeah, he's got a mustache. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 33:52
  Okay, I don't know how tall he is, but but no,
• 33:54
  no, the other guy's tall. There's another big guy. Do you remember
• 33:58
  the big guy? Yeah? Yeah, the bad guys were really good.
• 34:01
  Brook did a really good job being an American style Nazi. So, okay,
• 34:07
  are we going in order? Where are we now in the movie?
• 34:08
  We're in New York right, so where like they they bring in like that
• 34:13
  scene where they bring in the like black guy who like it is like this
• 34:17
  elderly or like older black guy. Yeah, and he like walks in with
• 34:22
  like the trays of oh man, and he's like, your people from yeah,
• 34:27
  I mean originally American originally? Where are your people from? Do you
• 34:30
  know? And it's kind of he's like I was born in the Bronx or
• 34:35
  like or something. He was like, he's like I was born in Brooklyn
• 34:37
  and he's like or I forget where he says, but like he's like I
• 34:42
  was born by Yankee Stadium. I remember that. And like it was just
• 34:45
  kind of like hey man, I'm an American fuck you? Yeah, And
• 34:47
  then that was great and then he subverts that by being like, well,
• 34:52
  what side did you win for? He's like, you didn't win Hitler just
• 34:57
  lost. That's where we learn the first time that he's a kind of pure
• 35:02
  Nazi, Like he believes so hard in the like shit of it more than
• 35:07
  Hitler, Like he's a bigger Hitler, wants to go back to be Hitler.
• 35:10
  Yeah, to be the next Hitler. He wants to replace Hitler by
• 35:14
  killing him, by killing him, which was the amazing idea, an amazing
• 35:17
  plot, yeah, because it build up him as like un ultimate Batty too,
• 35:22
  but also the fact that he has a miscalculation of not knowing what's the
• 35:27
  dial actually does. It's so perfect and we'll get to it, we'll get
• 35:31
  to it. So awesome and the but also the fact that he's like,
• 35:35
  I'm talking to the president. It's the Hubrists. It's the Hubrists of the
• 35:38
  Nazi. Yeah, totally, totally, but yeah they did. There's like
• 35:44
  whole like beautiful, like action packed scenes too of Harrison Ford's face being paid
• 35:50
  to it on a guy who's riding an actual horse. But but he did,
• 35:52
  he did actually ride the horse a bunch of times, a bunch of
• 35:55
  times. But it looks good. But when when the like he lifts off,
• 36:00
  I don't because it didn't render something in a moved and then it went,
• 36:07
  which I didn't notice the first time, but I definitely noticed totally.
• 36:10
  And then Helena who's Phoebe waller Bridge, shed talk enough about that scene where
• 36:20
  Indies giving the lecture at the beginning? Do we talk about that that we
• 36:22
  get there? Because oh, because he also goes to he's getting gets like
• 36:30
  a retirement party. He does have a retirement party, but not before he
• 36:34
  like gives a class to a very bored students except for one student who's very
• 36:39
  outspoken, very danny well rude energy, phoe waller Bridge, who's like our
• 36:46
  comedies and the dial and all of the things will be relevant for this movie.
• 36:52
  And if Harrison Form was like, yeah, he kind of gets more
• 36:55
  of a twinkle and a totally he did. He did faded twinkle acting really
• 37:01
  well because he does have a faded twinkle. He is so such a faded
• 37:06
  twinkle man. He's his voice was so good at this movie. His voice
• 37:09
  was so short round getting my dick wet shorty, classic classic indie lion dude
• 37:22
  Salah having like ten grandchildren living in a dang department too. It was really
• 37:30
  really fantastic canon. Why did I leave find I'm sure there was ours whiskey
• 37:40
  whiskey soaked Salah, both of them definitely weakened alcoholics, being like indeed not
• 37:47
  being able to talk about his dead son, like I missed the disc I
• 37:53
  know, sala I misadventuring and I only got ten years with that kid until
• 37:59
  he went off to die in some terrible war that had nothing, had nothing
• 38:05
  to do with honor. I fought in two war, sala. Yeah,
• 38:09
  there was a kind of like also sadness about it America. Yeah, because
• 38:14
  he was like, my son died for no reason, Sali. Dude,
• 38:17
  totally. I got that energy from India as well, like there was Yeah,
• 38:22
  there was like a faded star, a faded star feel. It was
• 38:24
  very cool. How does Marian feel? Marian doesn't talk to me anymore,
• 38:30
  Salad, I think she's gonna divorce me. Really, Marian would never do
• 38:36
  that Indian, oh man, I mean, did I ditched her after I
• 38:39
  had the kids? So maybe she would, sala I honestly couldn't think of
• 38:47
  a better part. Five. I really liked it. I really liked it.
• 38:52
  I don't think it I don't think they could have done anything else.
• 38:55
  The reviews for this movie are like stathing, Yes, scathing, and none
• 39:01
  of them are good, none of them are well written, all of them
• 39:05
  missed the entire march. All of them said a variation of even the fourth
• 39:10
  one is better, it's are you fucking care? Are you kidding me?
• 39:14
  Are you kidding me? No? Not even the fourth one is better?
• 39:16
  The fourth one is good and this one is better. Yeah, exactly,
• 39:20
  I think I like, yes, yes, I think I agree with that.
• 39:24
  Like it it's as much as we need and deserve from an indie,
• 39:30
  and like it like honors everything really well and it's well directed. It looks
• 39:36
  good. It nodded to Spielberg without being Spielberg, and it updated indie in
• 39:42
  a way that I was like, truly excited to see. And like I
• 39:45
  thought the fewer were all bridge Like I thought, she really co carried this
• 39:49
  movie in such a good way. She did a really good job. But
• 39:53
  and she was also she had the look, she had, the attitude,
• 39:58
  she had the lines, she could line, the line, she could do
• 40:01
  the line. That's that was what was missing hard from the fourth one.
• 40:05
  I would say, I was like, Shaya did not do Shia. No,
• 40:08
  Shaia was okay, okay, But Marian felt weird. Oxley felt weird.
• 40:16
  What's your name? No Oxley's cannon, dude. That guy's outrageous.
• 40:22
  What's her name? Kate bline Chett was weird, dude. I feel I
• 40:27
  honestly what's his name did a really good job when they talk about what's his
• 40:31
  face? Like the dad of Phoebe water Bridge, he's such a good it
• 40:37
  was he was so good. But he's such a good indie actor at his
• 40:39
  like fluffy hair, and just the relationship that they have, that the way
• 40:45
  they talked to each other, there's a kind of like masculine bonding in these
• 40:49
  movies with like Salah and like these kind of like moments where you have like,
• 40:54
  I don't know, it just feels very like like the there there's a
• 40:58
  like hey man, I see you. You're important to me. Yeah,
• 41:00
  because body The thing is because it's because they throw them immediately into such terrible
• 41:07
  situation and they have to figure it out together and it's their actions that dictate
• 41:13
  how they're they interact with each other. Right, so so that that one
• 41:17
  scene where where they flash back made it even better better, even better,
• 41:22
  like oh they love where it's like, oh, they also kept in touch
• 41:28
  and it's a very young daughter yeah, for his age. He seemed like
• 41:34
  a really old guy. And then we're supposed to believe that that's sometime in
• 41:38
  the future. I don't know. I don't know what the timeline is,
• 41:40
  but it is slightly older Indian. Yeah, and slightly older Toby Jones.
• 41:46
  They did a really good job. They did a really good job. And
• 41:50
  the oh MANI to the chair and like knocking himself over. So India iconic,
• 41:57
  so idea iconic. When Okay Salah takes takes old Indie too, because
• 42:04
  he figures out that Tangier indeed some other mystical place that no American knows about
• 42:13
  with the spear, Yeah, exactly, yea, both of course, shit
• 42:16
  both chicken shit. Man. I really, I really like that they go
• 42:22
  to Tangier. It's such an Indie place. It was such an Indy place
• 42:25
  to go, and her weirdly having sex with that random prince. I love
• 42:30
  being obsessed with the because it's hilarious, because it's the kind of adventures Indie
• 42:35
  would go on. It's Indie voting somebody like fuck somebody, and they would
• 42:42
  be obsessed and then freak out and want to kill him for some reason.
• 42:46
  It was so funny and and her his obsession was so hilarious. I agree,
• 42:52
  Yeah, she she did, and she did a really good job at
• 42:54
  being like I mean, he's just obsessed. I don't know, I look
• 42:59
  like it's hotly totally like being very like gas ladies totally and like how in
• 43:05
  real time and how inflamed her former fling is. But we will get to
• 43:09
  that. We need to talk about how he brings. So she meets up
• 43:15
  with him and they go to like a museum side quests type place. They
• 43:22
  go to like the like under it's the library. This is the library scene.
• 43:27
  They go to like this like hall with like all of these like you
• 43:31
  know, like stuff, and she's like, hey, like this dial and
• 43:36
  she just talks to him in a cafe about it. Right, where where
• 43:38
  are we in the movie? Because I find I'm jumping around. We're jumping
• 43:43
  around, so it's like I'm getting to Sala. They've already got the stolen
• 43:47
  the dial, right, and they they go to but the part where they
• 43:52
  get the how she gets the dial and all of the like setups with the
• 43:55
  CIA following them and stuff, Well, I haven't seen it. You you've
• 43:59
  seen it, Yeah I haven't. So it's like I don't know if like,
• 44:04
  are we jumping around? Yeah, I think I can't stay here forever.
• 44:07
  I think we end up talking about this movie for hours. You no,
• 44:09
  I know, but I do think that this movie deserves like the whole
• 44:13
  treatment, like it's deserve it belongs. Things belong to a museum in this
• 44:19
  episode as well, dude. But like, something I want to talk to
• 44:25
  you about is there's this kind of like there's this like sad former reverence in
• 44:31
  this movie of like having like history exist in a way that it's meant to
• 44:39
  and be revered in a way that it's meant to. And there's a kind
• 44:44
  of like sadness in this movie about that. Yeah, you know, like
• 44:46
  there's no going back, there's no going back that. Yeah, that's what
• 44:52
  the movie is kind of about, is that like you're to try and reclaim
• 44:57
  any glory is sad in and of itself, and that you should find happiness
• 45:02
  where you are exactly. And I think this movie does that or tries to.
• 45:07
  It definitely aims big. Yeah. So so they where were we were?
• 45:15
  Where were you you? Where were you? Well? This this is
• 45:19
  where they're in Tangier. They go through the like whole thing of like going
• 45:25
  through alleyways in in like a you know, quote unquote mystical place. Yeah,
• 45:30
  there's a lot of like passing of the dial back and forth in this
• 45:35
  movie that I don't think is like too necessary to like go into too much
• 45:38
  detail on Like there's a cool scene where like he's got the horse and everything,
• 45:42
  but like, yeah, which we already talked about, through the parade
• 45:44
  and stuff which felt like big scale. The lots of the scale stuff was
• 45:49
  great, Like to see New York, older New York full of people.
• 45:53
  It felt very like the dude, the color of this movie, what was
• 45:58
  it? It felt very like, right, yeah, it's really it's it's
• 46:01
  and it felt still within the realm of the originals. I agree, more
• 46:07
  so than Part four, way more so than part Part four. The look
• 46:12
  didn't like it felt a little bit more yellow than orange. It felt a
• 46:15
  little bit more desaturated. They figured out those tones in this Yeah, definitely
• 46:21
  definitely. And they head off to Sicily, to to oh Man every timely
• 46:27
  every Well it's because in Syracuse that's where our comedies was, right, and
• 46:32
  so like this whole movie is built around getting back there, which I think
• 46:37
  is like such an amazing reveal It's kind of such a beautiful thing because it's
• 46:43
  like history calling itself back, you know what I mean. Like the whole
• 46:47
  idea is that our comedies built this dial so that he could bring whoever found
• 46:52
  it back to him. Yeah, and it works totally, and it like
• 46:55
  so it was always supposed to happen. So Indie is always and will always
• 47:00
  be a part of history. Yeah totally. That I loved that was because
• 47:05
  he is yeah like it, and he like has been in these like pivotal
• 47:09
  moments throughout history, like meeting the guy with the Cup of Christ and like
• 47:14
  these really big stakes thing the Ark of the Coven in like he's found all
• 47:17
  of these amazing things, and so for him to be a part of like
• 47:22
  two thousand years of the past of like mathematics and curiosity about knowledge, it
• 47:27
  was really cool. It was. It was also what's interesting about the fifth
• 47:31
  one and how much it references all of them, including the interdimensional beings,
• 47:39
  because he becomes one of them in this one. It's sort of interesting to
• 47:45
  see how they took all the stuff that even that you didn't like and made
• 47:51
  it likablesting totally and like, you know, I listened to and I still
• 47:57
  think you should listen to it. But they listened to this episode of the
• 48:00
  Blind Boy podcast, and like he made a really interesting observation about how media
• 48:09
  is now being geared towards people our age, like millennials still, because like
• 48:15
  there's this like the only thing we have is this like nostalgia for the past,
• 48:22
  because we know now that we probably won't have like a very good future,
• 48:25
  and like it's kind of like like sad like that, Like that's the
• 48:31
  idea behind the marketing is like Mattel decided that they wanted to go into intellectual
• 48:37
  property instead of toy making because no one's buying toys anymore, so they want
• 48:43
  to make like a whole universe with like polypockets and shit. But like the
• 48:47
  movie itself kind of comments on all of that stuff. I haven't seen it
• 48:52
  yet, so I don't know, but like apparently it does. But like
• 48:54
  it also is like just going to become a part of this like big machinery.
• 49:00
  Yeah, and sort of like they're like they know the cynicism of like
• 49:05
  knowing that properties will work because there's like these like sad people that haven't made
• 49:09
  anything of their lives and like you know, like not you know, really,
• 49:14
  but like in the way that like our parents had, you know what
• 49:16
  I mean. Yeah, I like there's a kind of like a decline and
• 49:20
  a sadness of our quality of lives is just like so much lower. We
• 49:24
  don't have things as much as we have like digital ethereal sort of digital things
• 49:30
  that we can't like grasp or touch. And it's fascinating starting to interrupt you.
• 49:36
  It's fascinating because what he does is he kind of intellectualizes it in this
• 49:43
  way where he's like he makes it a part of like forty years of like
• 49:45
  Reaganism and Reagan Reaganomics, and he's like as soon as Reagan came into office,
• 49:52
  there was a deregulation of being able to advertise to children. So in
• 49:57
  a way we were like conditioned from a very young age to like to like
• 50:02
  care about like properties like this and still like, like there's toys, the
• 50:07
  ideas of adventure and fun like all is like being repackaged and sold back to
• 50:12
  like us. And that's why Barbie was like the biggest demographic was like millennials,
• 50:16
  right that watched it and like and like gen z. Yeah, but
• 50:20
  yeah, I don't know, it's like it's interesting. Sorry, not to
• 50:22
  get to but it feels like that's kind of what's behind the making of this
• 50:28
  movie. But I liked it, Yeah, totally. I mean this is
• 50:31
  also why I would never ever These are why my main criticisms to people like
• 50:39
  Tarantino and Pete Anderson have been, like, you have no commentary on now,
• 50:46
  there's nothing you can do. Now you have to like revel in this
• 50:51
  like weird past of like not just your own past, but like movie history
• 50:57
  past. Like you're not gonna like there's nothing else interesting to be explored like
• 51:02
  you used to. You used to like I don't know, I think the
• 51:06
  modern condition is very fascinating. If you can't make a movie about it,
• 51:09
  that's more speaks to you. Well, that's the thing is that Tarantino's first
• 51:14
  three movies we're all contemporary contemporary movies. Yeah, and it's so bizarre that
• 51:20
  they were. But they were kind of reaching towards a genre field that life
• 51:24
  and that's fine. But that's fine. They were still set now or now
• 51:29
  at that point. But but like, but like referencing the seventies in the
• 51:35
  nineties is an interesting thing. Yeah, you know, like but it like,
• 51:42
  but now it's just all He's making movies in the seventies, or or
• 51:46
  pt also making he made two three movies in the seventies in his in his
• 51:52
  Cannon, and like, I mean, it's because they had to talk about
• 51:55
  cocaine on cocaine with each other, talked about it, dude. It's just
• 52:00
  it's just weird to me that And maybe it's just because they're they don't want
• 52:05
  to be old. No, they want to cause Fiona Apple to quit because
• 52:09
  she can't handle the big gone okay with each other. Let's get to the
• 52:15
  scene of Antonio banderas oh Man became ready there, Okay, yeah, the
• 52:21
  he so he lets there's this big chase that happens through like where are they
• 52:27
  intended here? And like everyone gets involved. The guy the Matts Mickelson ends
• 52:32
  up at an auction where like indie like causes a big scene and doesn't very
• 52:37
  indie styles shootout, and like, I just want to mention some of these
• 52:42
  scenes because they're really cool. And like then he does a big chase throughout
• 52:46
  the city on these like cool scooters, and I think the scooters were very
• 52:51
  scot It felt very much like you know, like in Donkey Kong, where
• 52:55
  there's that level when you're jumping with those barrels. But yeah, yeah those
• 53:02
  carts yeah, yea barrel the carts that were in Indiana Jones too, Yeah,
• 53:07
  on the tracks yeah man, And like just shit like that like makes
• 53:12
  this movie so fun. Yeah, for sure. And the way people died,
• 53:15
  uh, and this was hilarious, the wild held scream of the Yeah,
• 53:20
  it was also so violent. It was so much more violent than it
• 53:24
  was definitely like hard because it was like blood and like there was a lot
• 53:31
  of shit in the movie where it was like bleak at times. Yeah,
• 53:35
  likely like in a cool way. Yeah, And like it had scale in
• 53:39
  a way that no under other Indie has so far, Like it went to
• 53:44
  boats, but in a good way, like it was in the Sky Airplane
• 53:46
  Indie. Oh we get no, sorry, we've had airplane Indie before.
• 53:50
  He jumps out of an airplane on that raft and of course no, there's
• 53:55
  tons of airplane Indie. Sorry when saying there's like maps with him going to
• 54:00
  which going through a space time in this which we'll get to. Yeah,
• 54:07
  But what I liked about everything on him going on boats was that we get
• 54:13
  that one scene which is him man, his performance in this this part where
• 54:22
  he finds like he tells like a talks about Mutt, like the disappointment he
• 54:30
  felt in himself, the disappointment he feels in his son. Oh, dude,
• 54:35
  disappointed him being disappointed in Mutt too, is like I wouldn't have let
• 54:39
  him go. Yeah, I wouldn't have let him go. It's it was
• 54:43
  so sad. Yeah, he was sad and in that that like Nakata way,
• 54:49
  in that way where he's like, Callista may not have had the best
• 54:52
  life. Dude so much Callista, but yeah, it's it's it was really
• 54:59
  sad and that at that generation of men who didn't talk about their feelings and
• 55:04
  really like got went came through through just not saying things about much and the
• 55:09
  way the pained look on his face down like it was like man like Indian
• 55:15
  like he did such a it was it was very Indian. It was like
• 55:19
  such a good performance. And it's kind of interesting because like his character has
• 55:22
  gotten more cynical throughout the movie totally, he becomes a little he loses his
• 55:30
  enjoyment of life. Yeah yeah, And I think that's a nice through line
• 55:34
  because it makes him a compelling character. It does, it does, And
• 55:38
  oh man, the scene where what's his name, Teddy Teddy kumar as the
• 55:46
  kid when when they go to retrieve something from the boat at the bottom of
• 55:53
  the sea. Uh, it's like the second part of the dial. Yeah,
• 55:59
  and they find it through like some maps or coordinates and they need to
• 56:02
  translate a thing. There's a lot of like indie type things. Yeah,
• 56:06
  totally, they find the map, it's okay, So they dive down with
• 56:10
  Antonio Bendaris's character, who's like this like friendly old friend of Indies, of
• 56:15
  course, an amazing old friend of Indians. They're so happy to see each
• 56:20
  other every time. They're so happy to see each other. It makes the
• 56:22
  character that much more like real. Yeah, totally, and I loved I
• 56:27
  loved when Teddy Kumara is like, oh yeah, yeah, like eels like
• 56:30
  snakes. They're not like snakes the way he is like scared about it.
• 56:37
  It's amazing. They're not like, they're not like snakes. And they're totally
• 56:42
  like snakes, dude, They're totally like snakes, electric scary water sneaks.
• 56:46
  Well, just don't let them bunch you because if they do, they're clasped
• 56:50
  on their john you can't get away anyway. Amazing. He man when he's
• 56:59
  like committed to be he kind of does a similar type of side character,
• 57:04
  but it's so endearing. There's such a like an enthusiasm to him where you're
• 57:07
  just like, man, this guy is like so friendly, like you remember
• 57:12
  almost just the like soul of this person, totally, the gregariousness he's so
• 57:16
  he's such a good actor. He's such a good actor. And this is
• 57:21
  talked about him several times on the show can Man even in just like weird
• 57:25
  cameos like this or in like Haywire where he turns into a piece of shit
• 57:30
  that it's like, oh man, you're so awesome, so good. He's
• 57:34
  so versatile, but in kind of a limited way totally. But yeah,
• 57:39
  when when they go down to get the and when they kill him too,
• 57:44
  it's sad. It's sad. It's sad. He first he shoots him in
• 57:47
  the knee and he's like, Indie, I'm not. He's like it does
• 57:50
  like a kind of a sacrificing himself, but they kind of make it more
• 57:53
  gray area on this, Like he doesn't like Indie, definitely doesn't want it
• 57:57
  to happen, and he wants to like tell this guy what but like so
• 58:00
  they get and this amulet and they like melt a goo off of it,
• 58:06
  yeah, to find the coordinate, the actual coordinates. Yeah, and she
• 58:09
  reads, she reads it's like it's last she didn't remember. There's like two
• 58:15
  different types of code that she was supposed to remember and she only remembered one
• 58:19
  type. And she's like, I can guarantee you it's that one. And
• 58:22
  he's like what if it's the other one, And then like she's like,
• 58:24
  I'll bet you fifty bucks it isn't. And then like they get to it
• 58:28
  and she's like, y, only fifty bucks. Yeah, it's great things
• 58:30
  Indie ship and also like one upsmanship is also an interesting thing about Indie that
• 58:37
  happens in the movies because he because he's always in competition with everyone everyone,
• 58:44
  but also when he fails, when he fails in the in the thing,
• 58:49
  it's always like the jokes on him. But also it counters his hubris that
• 58:57
  he has because he's also such a like oh, like he's full of shit
• 59:01
  and like the thing is the way, but he's full of shit that in
• 59:05
  that arena, which is great. The way that they make him like he
• 59:08
  knows his age, so he knows he has more limitations and they wrote that
• 59:13
  in in the way that they just in his choices, yeah, and what
• 59:16
  he decides to do, which was such an interesting update, like to see
• 59:21
  this character age and not pretend that that's the thing that bothers me so much
• 59:25
  about Schwartzy movies with old Schwartzy is like, don't I don't think he's badass
• 59:30
  anymore. I think he's think James Plan. I think he's very much James
• 59:37
  Conning and it's fine, he's jacked, but like he's old and it's okay,
• 59:42
  he's not else And like Stallone uses that too. He's like, yeah,
• 59:45
  I'm old, but you know I kept everything in place, you know,
• 59:50
  so I look pretty good. And Harrison Ford he's a fucking jacked eighty
• 59:54
  year old but he's eighty years old. Yeah, totally. He looks amazing
• 59:58
  at it looks amazing. Yeah. Like this shirtless scene, I was like,
• 1:00:00
  I can't believe they did this. Yeah, I can't believe they did
• 1:00:04
  this, and I'm so glad they did. He looks hot, like it's
• 1:00:07
  not just like it's not just like oh hot for his age. It's like
• 1:00:09
  I was like, holy shit, dude, what like what you are you
• 1:00:13
  like eating babies. What are you doing? He's definitely found some kind of
• 1:00:20
  like youth alixer. But yeah, so they come out of like I love
• 1:00:23
  all of the like diving stuff too. That was so cool, Like it
• 1:00:27
  looked really a fun adventure. It was cool having the the what's it called
• 1:00:36
  air pumped into the and and technology being like, oh, but we can't
• 1:00:43
  get up too quickly, you know. Oh man, Yeah, he was
• 1:00:45
  amazing. And then they come up and like they shoot him and they do
• 1:00:50
  all the sorry they we We've been told through all this stuff. Oh.
• 1:00:53
  Also, the physics of this one made way more sense than the physics of
• 1:00:58
  the other one. Yeah, it fell forth. It's not on the ropes
• 1:01:01
  with the most wing with them oh man, the monkeys. So a lot
• 1:01:06
  of people say I've seen a lot of people say that the most unforgivable thing
• 1:01:13
  about this movie is the time travel. And I push back on that because
• 1:01:19
  I think that this movie made Part four make more sense because it was like,
• 1:01:23
  okay, interquel and and interdimential beings and then Indie becoming an interdimendial being
• 1:01:31
  was so in keeping with the lore, and it kept with the magical science
• 1:01:36
  of Indie because Indie was always I'm realizing now magical science and not tied to
• 1:01:40
  any one particular viewpoint or religion. So we've got inter dimential being Indie.
• 1:01:46
  We've got Indian like mysticism, like racist kind of fake Indie. And then
• 1:01:52
  we've got like Christian lore and Nazi lore Indie and occult lore Indie. Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  So all of that was in this movie. Yeah, in such a
• 1:02:02
  cool way. Yeah. Yeah, shit, sorry, Yeah, we're good.
• 1:02:13
  Sorry, I just needed to Yeah, where were we? The part
• 1:02:23
  where Indie realizes that continental drift could have altered the time coordinates is amazing because
• 1:02:38
  how he figures it out is that because time has passed and they don't take
• 1:02:45
  into consideration the coordinates of space in that time, the wormhole is going to
• 1:02:52
  end up in a different place in time. So they're not going to end
• 1:02:57
  up in nineteen thirty nine to assassinate Hitler and become and win the war.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, and the like hubrists of the of the situation is very reminiscent of
• 1:03:07
  the hubrists of like the Nazi guy who wanted to drink from the cup of
• 1:03:10
  Christ that turns into a gross ugly skeleton, or the Hubrists of the people
• 1:03:15
  who wanted to have the full knowledge and like looked into the eyes of of
• 1:03:20
  like the Arc or the Aliens and the Arc both both things. Was so
• 1:03:24
  there's very much like keeping into that lore of like you get to know somewhat
• 1:03:30
  somewhat, but you don't get to know it all. Yeah, And so
• 1:03:32
  there's a kind of a humility to Indie that continues. And now we have
• 1:03:36
  the humility of him being an elderly man, yeah, who is struggling with
• 1:03:40
  his lack of relevance. When when they get to the part in the final
• 1:03:45
  act of like going through the caves and stuff, and man, that kid
• 1:03:50
  that kids fucking ruthless when he takes off the cups cups the guy and handcuffs
• 1:03:55
  him to drown underwater. That was like a bolt movie. That was awesome,
• 1:04:00
  but but that shit like that happened, Like a guy gets fucking like
• 1:04:04
  like fucking polarized. There's like people get choked out in indie movies, Like
• 1:04:13
  people get like they die in kind of funny but like tragic funnyways. It's
• 1:04:17
  almost like, oh no, and so should we get to the scene where
• 1:04:23
  it's where they finally go through time. Yeah, So like, okay,
• 1:04:26
  a bunch of stuff happens, like they go through they go, they find
• 1:04:30
  the body of Archimedes and he's got a watch on He's got Indie's watch on
• 1:04:33
  right. That was great And they mentioned they mentioned the watch because they mentioned
• 1:04:40
  the watch because he gets it stolen earlier in the movie from them. He's
• 1:04:45
  like, that was my father's watch, which hearkens back to even more.
• 1:04:48
  Lare with the Dad. So there's Son Lore dead Son Lare, Dad Lore,
• 1:04:55
  new side characters, Laura. There's so much like built in indie world
• 1:05:00
  totally totally but we're exciting. That was great. Yeah, all all that
• 1:05:05
  kind of stuff we gotta get. Throw me the Whips perspective perspective I really
• 1:05:10
  want to hear because throw me the Whip fan of the show, friend of
• 1:05:13
  the show, go follow him at throw me the Whip on Instagram. He
• 1:05:15
  did like some brick really impressive and amazing reporting leading up to the release,
• 1:05:23
  the release of this movie that didn't actually give that much away, Like some
• 1:05:28
  of the stuff I must admit that I saw him post like made me like
• 1:05:32
  think a little bit, like I don't know, is this gonna be good.
• 1:05:36
  It's like nazis space, nazis Indie like what is this? What is
• 1:05:41
  it dial? What's a dial of destiny? James Mangold, I don't know,
• 1:05:46
  Like, what is this? Is this gonna be good? And then
• 1:05:49
  like it really delivered. Yeah, Oh it's it's not. By the way,
• 1:05:54
  it's not in Indie's dad's watch. I thought that too, but he
• 1:05:57
  says, my it's my dad's watch, or he says, oh no,
• 1:06:00
  no, it's when they find it they realize that it's. Oh it's Vasa.
• 1:06:04
  That's right, that's right, that's right, it's Valler's watch. It's
• 1:06:08
  not it's not Indies. Yeah. He takes the future technology, they change
• 1:06:12
  the past. Dude, it just goes. And I was saying, she
• 1:06:15
  was like, yeah, like sometimes things aren't that consequential, Like a plane
• 1:06:19
  could have crashed in Syracuse somewhere, and like there might not be any record
• 1:06:25
  of it, like people might have talked about it in some kind of lore
• 1:06:27
  or like it's like reasoned it away somehow, Like they say, oh,
• 1:06:30
  there's dragons in the sky, And I was like, that's such a good
• 1:06:33
  touch that there's dragons, because it's like it's so like such an interpretation that
• 1:06:39
  someone from like two thousand years ago would have and it also hearkens back to
• 1:06:44
  the idea of like we don't know what the future holds, and the future
• 1:06:48
  does change and life does change us, and so like it kind of like
• 1:06:54
  that's what I liked about it. It was real. It wasn't woke.
• 1:06:58
  It was real yeah, and like oh yeah, and then like when they
• 1:07:01
  escaped from the plane and by being really was woke. I went went man
• 1:07:05
  when I got when I got to the end, I was like, I
• 1:07:10
  braced myself because time travel Indian. I was like, I was like me
• 1:07:13
  too. But they were going through, but that obviously was exciting. I
• 1:07:18
  was like when they went through. As soon as they went through, I
• 1:07:20
  was like, this is good. Good I tell you had the same year.
• 1:07:25
  It's like I was like, oh my god, what are they actually
• 1:07:27
  doing it? They didn't because I was like I didn't think they we're gonna
• 1:07:30
  do I didn't think they was gonna like go like Wright or something where I
• 1:07:34
  see like in the window. But in the past. The fact that they
• 1:07:40
  went there, I was like, oh my god, that Archimedes is doing
• 1:07:45
  things like he had like plots. Archimedes is like my time she worked or
• 1:07:51
  whatever. Dude, and he's got cut solid energy to shoot the fact that
• 1:07:57
  Archimedes is like an excited dude with like a beard from like up to his
• 1:08:00
  eyeballs. Like the casting of this guy, it's, oh, man,
• 1:08:06
  dude, this actor more than anyone, this Archimedian's dating mal Rood is the
• 1:08:11
  perfect Indie actor of this whole thing. Totally said that that kind of old
• 1:08:16
  magical quality. Were like, like, it felt like the nineties, totally
• 1:08:20
  magical, and it's like, oh this it's the sincerity of it. The
• 1:08:26
  sincerity of it made us like, one, this is so fucking dumb and
• 1:08:30
  ridiculous. But they played it so into it. They played it one percent.
• 1:08:35
  And I really do think that people are going to look back on this
• 1:08:38
  and be like, this was a good one. This was an underrated movie.
• 1:08:41
  Totally totally. And then when when and man, the sincerity to which
• 1:08:45
  Indie played being like I'm not going back. I was like, I believe.
• 1:08:49
  I totally believed. I was like, I was just like, doesn't
• 1:08:53
  like I was. I thought the same thing. I knew in my heart
• 1:08:57
  of hearts that he wasn't going to end up in the past, but I
• 1:09:00
  thought him. I bought vice. I bought it by his performance that he
• 1:09:03
  was like Indie becoming part of history and getting to get a second wind relevance
• 1:09:11
  in terms of being able to like study the past, to look at where
• 1:09:16
  something actually came from that he was so interested in. And no, from
• 1:09:20
  from firsthand, not from like millions of years or hundreds of thousands of years
• 1:09:26
  or thousands of years actually getting to be there, you know. But but
• 1:09:30
  but then, but then in the most Indie way, when she's like no,
• 1:09:35
  plunches him in the face, and like kind of I loved it.
• 1:09:39
  I loved robs him of like having a hero moment while also her getting a
• 1:09:45
  hero moment, and then she does the right thing, She does the right
• 1:09:48
  thing. And then but then waking up in that that New York place and
• 1:09:53
  knowing you're gonna be like, oh, we're going to see Mariann. Can
• 1:09:56
  we can we just can we just talk about a couple more things before we
• 1:09:59
  get there, Like the death of Matts Mickelson and the mustache guy was pretty
• 1:10:04
  amazing, like them kind of like crashing, the plane crashing. I love
• 1:10:10
  that the plane just crashes, and that's a part of Italy, Laura.
• 1:10:13
  Now like Syracuse, the Battle of Syracuse ends with them like knocking a fucking
• 1:10:17
  plane out of the sky and like they shoot this they kind of do it
• 1:10:21
  in this like rewriting history way that Indy does that is so believable for the
• 1:10:28
  world. And I loved like the like arrows being strong enough to shoot through
• 1:10:32
  the plane and like killing the like pilots and shit, oh sorry, go
• 1:10:38
  ahead. I just thought all of that stuff was really cool and cool,
• 1:10:41
  like the like subplot of the kid being able to fly a plane. Yeah,
• 1:10:45
  I was gonna say that. I was like, oh my god,
• 1:10:46
  how do we forget? And then we can? But then what was hilarious
• 1:10:49
  is stealing the plane from a guy who's sleeping in also very Indiana Jones totally
• 1:10:56
  like aside Danny Mulrun who knows how to land the plane, and then like
• 1:11:00
  he lands in Syracuse with mountainous like fucking like totally, but I believed it.
• 1:11:04
  I believed it in an Indie way, and like, yeah, him
• 1:11:09
  kind of like getting knocked out and being brought back and him being allowed to
• 1:11:14
  have a happy ending feels like it's a nice thing to do. It's kind
• 1:11:19
  of feels like how they ended Part three going off into the sunset. It's
• 1:11:24
  like we don't know if we'll see Indie again, we probably won't. So
• 1:11:27
  like him grabbing the hat off of the rack, yeah, and it was
• 1:11:31
  doing a circle around the hat and then closing off. And but also in
• 1:11:35
  the one scene that Marian is in, I felt so much more love and
• 1:11:40
  believability than ever in the fourth one, I agree, which was like such
• 1:11:45
  a that's what made it such a missed opportunity for her to show up in
• 1:11:49
  the fourth one, Yeah, and do something with her, or like not
• 1:11:55
  have her at all and do it's something more with mud. It's sad that
• 1:11:59
  that's her, like a see because she kind of gets you know, what's
• 1:12:02
  what's the one from part two's name again? Oh Spielberg's ex wife or whatever?
• 1:12:09
  Yeah, I forget, but but no, but she did even in
• 1:12:13
  that one scene she did, she did, She did so much, and
• 1:12:16
  it was it's because so nice. It was so nice when he's like when
• 1:12:20
  she's like its kissing it here and here and it's like a reference then actual
• 1:12:27
  reference from the first one. That like felt so believable totally, And it's
• 1:12:30
  like the only thing that I begrudged a little bit is like then you know,
• 1:12:34
  if you're gonna use Marion Lore like at least make her somewhat more of
• 1:12:39
  a character. It is sort of like cathartic that we get her back,
• 1:12:44
  because, like the fourth one end did end on such a happy note,
• 1:12:47
  that this one's being bleak and sad to start out feels very like, oh
• 1:12:53
  no, what happened to Indy? But by the way, how did you
• 1:12:56
  guess? You know who played young Indiana Jones? Who his name is Anthony
• 1:13:02
  in Gruber. Who he played young Harrison Ford in another movie Wow. And
• 1:13:10
  he does he got that role because he does impressions and he does and he
• 1:13:15
  does an amazing impression of Wow of what's his name Harrison Ford? And is
• 1:13:21
  he the guy that has some videos about it? Yeah, yeah, he's
• 1:13:24
  that guy. He's amazing. Maybe I'll post some it's he's really good.
• 1:13:29
  But he played the like what's it called. He played the like like body
• 1:13:38
  acting and cool the body double on set for the d aged It's very cool
• 1:13:45
  because his voice and likeness was was amazing. You know, they look so
• 1:13:49
  much alike and soundlike Papa Clutch. Yeah, oh man, it was this
• 1:13:58
  This movie. This movie was really good. This movie is really good and
• 1:14:03
  like I think, oh by the way. He also played a separate character
• 1:14:10
  in the as a different guy in the hotel in one of the seasons.
• 1:14:15
  I think I remember where he where. They didn't need his body anymore,
• 1:14:18
  so they just threw him in. That's cool though, that's cool. I
• 1:14:23
  mean the future is now, Dude, Like we're getting now like actors who
• 1:14:26
  are playing like you know how like in certain countries there's like a French Schwartzy
• 1:14:31
  and he's always the same guy, dubs Schwartzy. Now we're getting like body
• 1:14:35
  actors for like d aged people totally, totally, I mean, and who
• 1:14:41
  better to do it for than Harrison Ford who is in these like big properties
• 1:14:44
  and stuff. Totally, but man, Harrison Ford having thick ass hair still,
• 1:14:48
  yeah, like gray old thick ass hair, his face like he's eighty,
• 1:14:54
  dude, that dude is fucking eighty, and he looks phenomenal, Like
• 1:14:58
  his face is intact, his face is there's no like, there's no George
• 1:15:01
  Joe Biden looking like a different human being. Joe Biden's body looks good though.
• 1:15:09
  People were making fun of him on Twitter recently and I was like,
• 1:15:12
  dude, like he's eight, he's eighty years old. He was on the
• 1:15:15
  beach, just like fucking standing and so and people were like, look at
• 1:15:20
  his body. It's like, bro, like you're a Trump supporter, What
• 1:15:23
  the fuck are you talking about? I mean, yeah, Trump anytime there's
• 1:15:27
  like body stuff, like it's weird. Trump like treats other people like out
• 1:15:30
  there's a world that's outside of him that he doesn't exist in or something.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah, like what he's like making fun of Chris Christie for being fat recently,
• 1:15:38
  You're like, fat, dude, what are you talking about? You're
• 1:15:41
  fat? Yeah, I mean you're also taller than Chris Christie. Yeah,
• 1:15:45
  so it like spreads out I guess more. But like they just like why
• 1:15:49
  would you do that? Like it just because he's a narcissist who doesn't give
• 1:15:53
  a shit humiliating it's so weird anyway. Okay, so let's talk about how
• 1:15:59
  many in ease we would give this. Would give this a ten out of
• 1:16:01
  ten. Yeah, I gotta say ten out of ten in terms of like
• 1:16:03
  acting, in terms of the movie, like I'd give it like a I'd
• 1:16:08
  give it an eight point five. I think five. Like I was I
• 1:16:13
  had such a good I was gonna say seven point but then I'm like,
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  no, it's it's such an odd you want to punish it for no reason.
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  I do. I do want to punish it for no reason. I
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  think. I think that I think that the people need to like give themselves
• 1:16:26
  a chance with this movie, because I do think that eventually people will look
• 1:16:30
  back on this movie and be like that was pretty good, and like just
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  like we looked back on Part four and we were like, that's not bad.
• 1:16:34
  It's not it's not a bad try for Indie. There were a couple
• 1:16:38
  of like total things that this movie rectified and then included weirdly, so like
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  it made it more like it's the fact that this movie makes Part four better,
• 1:16:46
  makes this movie better. Yeah, totally. It feeds into the entire
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  canon of the series. Yeah, it's like probably my third favorite. I
• 1:16:58
  would say it's my third favorite. I would say it's Part three, Part
• 1:17:00
  one, this one, Part two two, Part four, that's my that's
• 1:17:05
  my list. Totally, You're a manish. We had the exact same lists,
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  the amazing performances, amazing indie actors, Salad Sala dead Mud, dead
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  Mud, perfect, the perfect way to perfect role for Shila bo Is to
• 1:17:26
  be dead in this movie. It kind of is that's true because the movie
• 1:17:30
  went woke and it went broke, dude. But it went woke broke so
• 1:17:34
  hard it broke. This movie. Puzzle basically failed so hard and kind makes
• 1:17:42
  it amazing. I don't care. I'm so glad. It's because nobody's ever
• 1:17:45
  going to be like, oh that property again. But it ended perfectly.
• 1:17:49
  It ended perfectly. It failed at the box office, so they're never bringing
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  it backs. The movie we deserve and it's the movie for our time,
• 1:17:57
  dude. And I think it's a good indie movie. I think it's I
• 1:18:01
  want to hear Throw Me the Whip's perspective and take. I mean, I
• 1:18:05
  think at this point, throw Me the Whip has seen this movie like five
• 1:18:12
  times, so he'll definitely and he also knows all the backlore and shit,
• 1:18:15
  like he was following all like the costume design shit. It's like they did
• 1:18:19
  it so seamlessly in this movie that you don't even notice it, you know,
• 1:18:23
  but they thought about all of that shit. Like her outfits are amazing,
• 1:18:29
  iconic, look weird, kind of like androgynous, iconic, look beautiful,
• 1:18:34
  beautiful stand in for non binary people. I think, like amazing movie.
• 1:18:40
  Toby Jones did an amazing job. Still my favorite part of the movie
• 1:18:44
  is a flashback the within the movie just beautiful, Yeah, which had never
• 1:18:50
  been done. The updated politics of the movie too. All Right, we're
• 1:18:56
  just repeating ourselves. Follow us at thirty four more per cents on Instagram,
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• 1:19:02
  uh, Well, it's been quiet lately, but you know what, guys,
• 1:19:05
  like we've been We've had a lot going on, and so we thank
• 1:19:10
  you for your patience. Yeah, we've had a lot of traumatic things happened
• 1:19:14
  recently, and like it's been hard, and it's been hard to not do
• 1:19:20
  the show with you and feel like I don't have time to do the show
• 1:19:24
  with you. We're gonna do more video content. It's gonna be awesome.
• 1:19:28
  We're gonna get back to Bruce. See you next week, see you next
• 1:19:31
  week. I mean we're still ahead, dude. Yeah, we're still ahead
• 1:19:35
  on Bruce. But we need to like start recording them again. Yeah,