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Does killer post sick photo to his buddies of half-naked Victoria as she’s dying in car BEFORE CALLING 911? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Why is it always like this? A nineteen year old
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Speaker 1: teen girl ends up dead in afford escort and somehow
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Speaker 1: she's the bad guy she's to blame. Nineteen year old
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Speaker 1: Frances Victoria found half clothed, her clothes in disarray, having
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Speaker 1: been sex assaulted and manually strangled dead. Her date let
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Speaker 1: me just say ephemistically takes a picture of her naked
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Speaker 1: body or half naked body and post it to about
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Speaker 1: thirty friends as she's lying there, either dead or passed out.
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Speaker 1: But somehow she's the tramp. No way I want justice.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A body was found in
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Speaker 1: that garage you see right behind me, and now we
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Speaker 1: know that police are looking into two theories, according to
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Speaker 1: a report, that the woman died of an overdose or
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Speaker 1: that she died in the middle of a sexual encounter.
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Speaker 1: Police found a nineteen year old woman dead inside of
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Speaker 1: a vehicle at the top of this parking garage in
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Speaker 1: Hackensack around two in the morning. The garage is attached
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Speaker 1: to this luxury high rise apartment complex on Prospect Avenue.
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Speaker 1: Video obtained by pixel Even News shows the vehicle being
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Speaker 1: towed away. This woman just moved into the building this week.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the norm for around here. I
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Speaker 1: don't know the details. However, the way the building handle
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Speaker 1: it was very professional. You know. When I came out
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Speaker 1: this morning, they were like, no, worry about everything is okay.
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Speaker 1: The Daily Voice reporting that police are investigating if the
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old died of an overdose or due to
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Speaker 1: rough sex inside of the car. Wow, it's her fault,
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Speaker 1: I guess. Nineteen year old friends as Victoria Garcia. How
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Speaker 1: dare she have a drug overdose? How dare she have
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Speaker 1: quote rough sex and die half clothed in a car? Wow,
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Speaker 1: it's always the woman's fault. What a tramp? Right? Wrong,
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Speaker 1: absolutely wrong, one hundred percent wrong. I mean, I see, grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I want justice, and by the time you hear these facts,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna want it too. Those of you that have
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Speaker 1: a daughter like I do, a sister, a mom, an aunt,
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Speaker 1: a best friend, to be dragged through the mud after
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Speaker 1: she's foul dead. I am not having it. Me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, host of America talks on Newsmax. Former NYPD
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, renowned California psychoanalyst. She's at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com, Medical examiner for the State of Florida. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher joining us but right now to investigate a
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Speaker 1: reporter with Radar Online dot Com, Alexis Terres Chuck, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: I'm so mad at cochewa Nell and half. It's the
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Speaker 1: preppy murder all over again. Do you remember Robert Chambers,
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Speaker 1: because I sure do. Alexis, tell me about how this
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old girl, Francis Victoria Garcia was found. She
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Speaker 1: was found inside a car, and she was found in
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Speaker 1: a condition where police say that they could not tell
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Speaker 1: how she died. They did not know. There was no
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Speaker 1: obvious sign, there was not a lot of blood. She
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Speaker 1: had not been shot, so they were unaware of how
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Speaker 1: she had died. But she was found dead in the car.
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Speaker 1: What kind of car? Where was it? I believe that
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Speaker 1: it was a Ford Escort and it was in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot of the apartment building where she lived. You know,
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, LA psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany why is
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Speaker 1: it that all I've heard about this case is that
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Speaker 1: she odeed and she was having rough sex. Why is that?
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Speaker 1: You know? I was wondering that too, because this woman
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Speaker 1: is dead. She's only nineteen years old at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of her entire life, and her whole reputation has been maligned,
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Speaker 1: that she wanted rough sex, that she was high on drugs.
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Speaker 1: You know that the victim is really being blamed and
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Speaker 1: there is very little about the perpetrator. She was not
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Speaker 1: in that car alone. There was a man with her.
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Speaker 1: They were engaging in a sex act. And I think
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Speaker 1: that whoever is we reporting on this story is not
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Speaker 1: focusing on the fact that one person killed another. There
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Speaker 1: is a perpetrator. There's a crime. Something happened to this
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Speaker 1: young woman, and it's not because she had a sex drive.
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Speaker 1: Her sex drive did not kill her. Another person killed her. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, Dodger Bethany. You know, normally I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: Normally I agree with you, But I don't know if
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Speaker 1: having sex in a ford escort by an apartment building
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Speaker 1: where you end up dead is quote engaging in a
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Speaker 1: sex act, because to me, it sounds like she was
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Speaker 1: raped and murdered. That's what it sounds like to me.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Our friends at Pigs eleven
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Speaker 1: residents say there was a party on the fourteenth floor
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Speaker 1: of the building. According to The Daily Voice, citing a
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Speaker 1: law enforcement official, the woman that died left the party
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Speaker 1: inside the building with a man and both went inside
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle. They had both taken prescription medication prior
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Speaker 1: to their encounter, according to the report. This long time
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Speaker 1: resident says she saw a large law enforcement response earlier
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Speaker 1: in the day. It was kind of scary coming out
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Speaker 1: and finding all the police cars, and then when I
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Speaker 1: returned three hours later, there was still his I was
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Speaker 1: even afraid to go in. There were so many things
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Speaker 1: that happen in life that you really can't assume or
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Speaker 1: make judgment on anybody's life. It's a sad thing. I
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Speaker 1: feel sorry for her in the family. Now on autopsy
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Speaker 1: is going to determine the cost of death. The Bergen
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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office asking anyone with information to come forward.
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Speaker 1: So there was a party, according to sources, upon the
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Speaker 1: fourteenth floor of a luxury apartment building. According to a
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Speaker 1: police this young teen girl leaves the party with a man.
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Speaker 1: They claimed both head taken prescription meds. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that they got into a car and that was the
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Speaker 1: end of it. This reminds me so much of Robert
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Speaker 1: Chambers the so called Preppy murder case. Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: The partially nude body of a young female is found
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Speaker 1: fiendishly posed in New York Central Park, the victim of
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Speaker 1: a savage beating and strangulation. That was the word of
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Speaker 1: the real psychobet. Police identify her as a popular eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old Soho resident from a wealthy family. It was
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Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible time for the family and for the
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Speaker 1: loved ones. Friends tell police of her companion on the
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Speaker 1: previous night, a strikingly handsome nineteen year old casual acquaintance,
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Speaker 1: one who appears to have deep, fresh scratches on his
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Speaker 1: face and body. They look like scratch marks for a
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Speaker 1: human ass and arrest is made. And when the media
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Speaker 1: gets a glimpse of the seemingly wholesome, well dressed nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old, they dubbed him the Preppy killer. He came
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Speaker 1: across as being a magnetic, interesting person because he was
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Speaker 1: just so good looking. But how could an innocent teenage
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Speaker 1: tryst looks like someone's got like and in murder, no
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Speaker 1: one deserves what happened there, sensational tales of drugs, alcohol
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Speaker 1: and sadistic sex will emerge. Well, tales t a LS
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Speaker 1: is pretty much what that is, an intricate web of
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Speaker 1: tales in which that victim and eighteen year old girl,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Levin was also sullied in the media. That was
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Speaker 1: from our friends at AMC. They're special called the Preppie murder,
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Speaker 1: and now it's happening all over again. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: the Medical Examiner for the State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, it seems to me that this woman is
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Speaker 1: basically being slut shamed. I guess is the new term
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Speaker 1: for it. I don't allow that word in our home,
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Speaker 1: but that's what's being done to this girl, Francis Victoria Garcia.
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Speaker 1: She went to a party. She may or may not
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Speaker 1: have taken a prescription drug. That's just a report from partygoers.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they know. How can you tell
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Speaker 1: if this woman, this young girl, was raped or whether,
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Speaker 1: as they say, it was consensual sex. There are a
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Speaker 1: few ways we can tell that a woman was raped.
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Speaker 1: Number One, a sexual assault kid would have to be
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Speaker 1: performed and samples of her vaginal area would have to
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Speaker 1: be taken, as well as samples from anal and oral areas.
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Speaker 1: And then if it was forced sex, you would notice
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Speaker 1: on the inner part of her thighs bruising or some
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Speaker 1: contusions that typically do not become consistent with consensual sex.
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Speaker 1: So any bruising around the mouth area, of the rectal
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Speaker 1: area or the vaginal area can certainly lend support that
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Speaker 1: this was a forced sexual accounter versus when that was consensual.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is this girl being dragged through
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Speaker 1: the mud? This is what I know. He is a lie,
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Speaker 1: she is dead. Doesn't sound like consensual sex to me.
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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Endlongs
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Speaker 1: were immediately rough sex in awe. He says, she was
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Speaker 1: trying to have her way with me. But the truth
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Speaker 1: will be more disturbing than any tablai could ever dream up.
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Speaker 1: It's only very callous stranger that needs body. It closed
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Speaker 1: in that it was enthralling to the media to meet
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Speaker 1: Robert Chambers, just your average ladies man until murder made
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Speaker 1: him famous. That from our friends at a see the
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Speaker 1: Preppy Murder special, and it's deja vu. Now a nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl Frances Victoria Garcia found dead half clothed
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Speaker 1: in a Ford escort, and instead of people reporting on
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Speaker 1: the guy she was with, it's all about her what
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Speaker 1: she did wrong. Now, you were just hearing about the
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Speaker 1: preppy murder as it was monikered, and I think that
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Speaker 1: was quite the euphemism, like putting perfume on a pig.
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Speaker 1: It was not a preppy murder. It was a violent strangulation,
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Speaker 1: death and rape where that victim, Jennifer Levin's body was
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Speaker 1: left half clothed in central Parkner underwear, about fifty feet
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Speaker 1: away from her body. Under her nails, there was a
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Speaker 1: treasure trove of DNA where she scratched at Robert chambers
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Speaker 1: hands to make him let go of her neck, but
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Speaker 1: he did not. Robert Chambers nicknamed the Preppie killer, that
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Speaker 1: in itself irritates the heck out of me. Bethanie Marshall,
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Speaker 1: the Preppie Killer is that's wrong? That's like Colin Jack
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Speaker 1: the Ripper, a nice but misled gynecologist. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: that whoever's reporting on these crimes does not want to
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Speaker 1: use the appropriate verbiage predator, rapist, homicidal, maniac sadist. You know,
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Speaker 1: to put your hands around a woman's neck and to
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Speaker 1: suffocate her to death, to asphyxiate her, means you have
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Speaker 1: enormous rage, and that this is no longer about sex.
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Speaker 1: This is about luring someone to a certain place so
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Speaker 1: that you can predate against them. So, this poor nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old young woman at the beginning of her life,
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Speaker 1: was lured from a party by a rapist. And that
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Speaker 1: is really what we're talking about today, a rapist and
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Speaker 1: an innocent young woman. And we need to be clear
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Speaker 1: about what we're talking about. John Cardillo, former NYPD host
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Speaker 1: of America, talks on Newsmax TV. John NYPD, you were
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Speaker 1: there when Jennifer Levin's house naked body was covered in
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Speaker 1: bruises and bite marks and cuts, was found by a
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Speaker 1: bicyclist in Central Park, right at Fifth Avenue and eighty three,
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Speaker 1: where all the rich people live in Manhattan, right behind
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Speaker 1: the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Clothing from Levin's upper body
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Speaker 1: was pushed up around her neck, her skirt was around
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Speaker 1: her waist. She had been strangled. There were multiple cuts
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Speaker 1: and bruises on her neck from the strangulation from her
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Speaker 1: own fingernails as she clawed at Robert chambers hands, trying
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Speaker 1: to save her own life. And we learned that later
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Speaker 1: Robert Chambers, a so called preppy killer, went and hid
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Speaker 1: and watched as police officer found her underwear about fifty
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Speaker 1: yards away. Do you remember when that happened, John Cardilou, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Now I was younger than I, but it was a
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Speaker 1: big teaching case for us in the academy. The NYPD
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Speaker 1: Crime Scene Unit used it, and then later on I
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Speaker 1: was actually trained when I was in service on the
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Speaker 1: street by one of the detectives on the case. There
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Speaker 1: were similarities, but many many differences in these two cases
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Speaker 1: in terms of police response. You have to go back.
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Speaker 1: This was the nineteen eighties in New York City, pre
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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani implementing some new policies that reduced crime, and
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Speaker 1: you just nailed at Nancy. Now you had the murder
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Speaker 1: of a young white woman in a very ritzy area,
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Speaker 1: arguably some of the highest real estate value in the world.
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Speaker 1: So the detectives were mobilized, but it was a much
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Speaker 1: more evident crime scene of a crime, and at the
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Speaker 1: time crime was high in New York and so all
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Speaker 1: indicators pointed to foul play. There clearly a beaten victim.
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Speaker 1: It was clearly sexual will solve you didn't even need
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Speaker 1: the recon But I don't get it. Then why did
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Speaker 1: he get the euphemistic nickname preppy killer Wendy Patrick? You
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Speaker 1: know what? Here's the deal with rape, all right? And
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Speaker 1: I've tried many many rape cases before I had DNA evidence,
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Speaker 1: we had blood type. I could show the rapist was,
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Speaker 1: you know, a b BE positive blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: But that was it. There was no DNA at that time.
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Speaker 1: It was just on the CUSP before DNA was used
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Speaker 1: in court. Here's how it goes. First of all, the
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Speaker 1: guy says, I've never seen her in my life. Okay, Then, oh,
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Speaker 1: here's the picture of you guys at a party together.
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Speaker 1: Oh her? Oh yeah, right, I don't remember her being
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Speaker 1: at the party, But if you've got a picture, then
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Speaker 1: I guess we attended the same party. Well, witnesses say
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Speaker 1: you left the party together. She may have left behind me,
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Speaker 1: but I don't. I did not leave any party with her.
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Speaker 1: She may have left around the same time as me,
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Speaker 1: but that I didn't leave with her. Well, here you
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Speaker 1: are on apartment surveillance video walking out arm in arm
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Speaker 1: oh her, yes, Okay, now I remember we did leave together. Well,
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Speaker 1: but we didn't have sex. Well, your fingerprints are on
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Speaker 1: her car and inside the dash of her car, right right,
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Speaker 1: and your DNA matches the seamen right. You know what,
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Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me. We did have sex,
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Speaker 1: but it was consensual. It's totally some consensual. In fact,
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Speaker 1: she practically raped me. That's how it goes, Wendy Patrick. Yeah, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know that chronology outlines probably the majority of the
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Speaker 1: rape cases we see because most of them end up
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Speaker 1: having a consent defense. We see that far more often
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Speaker 1: than a stranger jumping out of the bushes and dragging
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Speaker 1: a woman into an alley. Not that that doesn't happen,
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Speaker 1: but Nancy, more often than not, as I think all
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Speaker 1: of us on the call can agree, that's the way
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Speaker 1: we see it most often, as it goes from denial
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Speaker 1: and it slides towards the consent defense. But let me
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Speaker 1: bring up a couple of things that distinguishes cases life
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Speaker 1: we're discussing, and your previous guests really sort of accused
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Speaker 1: this up very well. So Bethany Marshall brought up this
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Speaker 1: point about the rage that must be required for the
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Speaker 1: sustained pressure necessary to kill by choking. Doctor Gallagher talks
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Speaker 1: about the fact that you can tell somebody had sex
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Speaker 1: and Brewises lends support. But still there are potential defenses
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Speaker 1: that we've all heard raised in court that might even
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Speaker 1: call close into question. So what do we do. We
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Speaker 1: have to almost prove this circumstantially, as my friend John
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Speaker 1: Cardillo were in the hard way back at NYPD with
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Speaker 1: some of these terrible cases. But in what we're looking at,
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Speaker 1: where it's maybe acquaintance rate, maybe it's a case where
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Speaker 1: two people just met or they don't know each other
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Speaker 1: very well, it is going to be all circumstantial. And
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Speaker 1: even Nancy, you and I both we're trying these cases
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Speaker 1: before DNA was helping, Still there was this circumstantial evidence
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Speaker 1: available not only to prove a sexual encounter, but also
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Speaker 1: to help to prove whether or not there was consent.
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Speaker 1: That's the issue here. And then here's the next kicker,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher the medical examiner for the state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: And I say it in that way because in many
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Speaker 1: jurisdictions you have a medical examiner for each county. Gallagher
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Speaker 1: is a medical examiner for the entire state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: That is nothing to sneeze at, doctor Gallagher. To further
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Speaker 1: complicate the consent issue, you know, in the past, when
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Speaker 1: the victim would be covered in cuts and bruises, they're
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Speaker 1: her clothes torn, that would be evidence of forcible rape.
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Speaker 1: But now the predator, the defendant says, oh, she wanted
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Speaker 1: rough sex, that that's what happened. So, Doctor Gallagher, in
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Speaker 1: this case, what evidence do you see on Francis Victoria
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Speaker 1: Garcia's body that would indicate a violent rape. Well, there
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Speaker 1: can be several, you know, one of the others. Not
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Speaker 1: only when we receive the body, we also inspect the clothing,
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Speaker 1: and we inspect the clothing for unnatural tears in the clothing,
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Speaker 1: forced openings of the zippers and buttons, buttons that might
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Speaker 1: be missing, blood that might be on the clothing. We
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Speaker 1: photographed the clothing and a lot of the times the
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Speaker 1: damage of the clothing, we can match that up to
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Speaker 1: injuries on the body and that would give us a
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Speaker 1: very good supporting evidence that the person was attacked or
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Speaker 1: physically assaulted. And not to mention the fact that this
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Speaker 1: victim actually had fingerprint marks on her neck. And oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, just food for thought did I mention
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Speaker 1: that the date? Twenty one year old Michael Gaffney allegedly
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Speaker 1: posted a picture of Frances Victoria's dead body on Snapchat
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Speaker 1: before he called for help, and he put under the
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Speaker 1: picture just ft this bitch. She passed out. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to do. Crime stories with Nancy Grace oh here.
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Speaker 1: In August nineteen eighty six, Robert Chambers made headlines for
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Speaker 1: killing his friend Jennifer Levin in New York's Central Park.
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to hurt her. I liked her very much.
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Speaker 1: He was handsome and privileged, and the press called him
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Speaker 1: the preppy killer. But to police, he was just a
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old kid with an unlikely story that seemed
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Speaker 1: to blame the victim for her own killing. Raving you
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Speaker 1: when the block with me without my consent. He always
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Speaker 1: said he struck her to make her stop. Police never
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Speaker 1: believed that story, and Chambers was charged with murder. He
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Speaker 1: pled guilty to first degree manslaughter and served fifteen years
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Speaker 1: in prison. When he was released, he gave his only
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Speaker 1: interview to Troy Roberts of forty eight Hours. I was
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Speaker 1: responsible for her death. You are hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: AMC's their special the preppy murderer that was in the eighties,
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Speaker 1: but believe it or not, it's happened again, and once again.
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Speaker 1: The victim, the rape and murder victim eighteen girl, she's
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Speaker 1: just nineteen, Francis Victoria Garcia, absolutely beautiful, is being treated
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Speaker 1: like the worst tramp ever. No one seems to be
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Speaker 1: focusing on the killer. Michael Gaffney, Did you hear what
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Speaker 1: I just mentioned that? Before he calls the police, Gaffney
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Speaker 1: allegedly posts a photo Francis Victoria's dead body on Snapchat
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Speaker 1: before he calls for help. Quote this is what he
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Speaker 1: puts under her picture, just ft this bitch, she passed out.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. How dare he I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at this guy and I'm looking at her, and
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Speaker 1: it's just overwhelming me. The senselessness of this death is
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Speaker 1: a murder. He says that they had quote rough sex
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Speaker 1: and a car, posting the photo of her dead naked
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Speaker 1: body on Snapchat before calling for help. Gaffing is twenty one.
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Speaker 1: He's from Maywood. She Frances Victoria, just nineteen, found dead
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Speaker 1: in a car parked in a detached parking lot and
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Speaker 1: a luxury high rise and Hackensack following a party. This
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Speaker 1: photo that he posted on social media is so disturbing.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean to you? Renounced like, oh, Alice
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Speaker 1: joining me out of la Doctor Bethany Marshall, Bethany, what
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Speaker 1: does it mean to you? Well, what this means to
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Speaker 1: me is that I think of rapist hypologies, there are
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Speaker 1: very specific delineations in terms of type of rapists. Seventy
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Speaker 1: three percent of rapists know their victims, and where they
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Speaker 1: know their victims, they tend to be less violent and
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Speaker 1: just more coercive interpersonally. But when there is a stranger rape,
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Speaker 1: usually the perpetrator is abusing substances and the nature of
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Speaker 1: the rape tends to be much more violent and much
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Speaker 1: more aggressive. And I'm going to assume that this twenty
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Speaker 1: one year old did not know this victim prior to
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Speaker 1: the party, that he selected her. During the party, he
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Speaker 1: was already in the mood to rape. He had aggression
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Speaker 1: towards women, hated women, wanted to have power over women.
23:38
Speaker 1: Because another type of rapist is the power reassurance rapist.
23:42
Speaker 1: That's the one who has power over the woman in
23:44
Speaker 1: order to assure himself with his own masculinity. The rapist
23:49
Speaker 1: who rapes a stranger usually is expressing hostility towards all
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Speaker 1: women in general. They don't always kill, but sometimes they do. So.
23:58
Speaker 1: Not only is this young man a rapist, but he's
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Speaker 1: also homicidal. I would want to know about his history
24:04
Speaker 1: of violence and his history of substance abuse. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that there are both. Well, he does have that history
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Speaker 1: of substance abuse. Doctor Bethany, you get that nail on
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Speaker 1: the head, Okay, But I'm asking specifically about to you,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. You and I both prosecuted a lot of
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Speaker 1: rape cases. The fact that he posted this just after
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Speaker 1: this bitch she passed out, I don't know what to do.
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Speaker 1: He writes on Snapchat for the world to see, and
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Speaker 1: he told friends who were in the contacted friends in
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Speaker 1: the area and told them Frances Victoria was not breathing
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Speaker 1: after he posted the Snapchat photo. Yeah, I hate to
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Speaker 1: say it's a sign of the times that we have
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Speaker 1: this kind of absolutely callous boasting of just despicable actions.
24:48
Speaker 1: As you say, you know, perhaps it's you know, many
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Speaker 1: young people might be desensitized, and I shouldn't pick on
24:54
Speaker 1: the young people. You know, we read these types of
24:56
Speaker 1: things online and we tend to let our conclusions just
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Speaker 1: sort of go verdict. First, you can imagine as a
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, which is, by the way, the way I
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Speaker 1: started my career, you can imagine this being spun to indicate, well,
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Speaker 1: obviously this was a very unprincipled manner of saying, I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure what to do this woman passed out. But
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Speaker 1: that's not the visceral reaction, Nancy, as you wisely point
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Speaker 1: out that jurors are going to have, They're going to
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Speaker 1: be more in line with how in the world could
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Speaker 1: you possibly say something like this? And Nick really goes
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Speaker 1: back to what's the relationship between the parties? And as
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall points out, it does also speak to
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Speaker 1: acquaintances who just met leaving a party together, rather than
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Speaker 1: any kind of established relationship, which will play into the
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Speaker 1: rest of the narrative. This man may be the proverbial
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Speaker 1: axe murderer next door who nobody really knew much about,
25:44
Speaker 1: which again ties right into the preppy murder as well. Well.
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Speaker 1: Another issue is that they're in her car. John Cardillo,
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Speaker 1: host of America, talks on Newsmax TV former NYPD it
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Speaker 1: sounds to me that she was walking to her car.
25:58
Speaker 1: He may have acted like he was escorting her to
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Speaker 1: her car and then attacked her. That's what I believe happened.
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Speaker 1: They're not in his car. It's not like he was
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Speaker 1: taking her out to, you know, go out for a
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Speaker 1: late night breakfast or anything like that. She was raped
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Speaker 1: and murdered in her car. Does is that significant or not?
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, you know, Nancy, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.
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Speaker 1: I don't have enough evidence yet to declare rape. He obviously,
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Speaker 1: from what we see, was responsible for the murder. He
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Speaker 1: admits that. But we don't have enough evidence for rape
26:30
Speaker 1: because we've got Remember the initial news items on this
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Speaker 1: were they didn't know if it was an overdose or
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Speaker 1: something else, which indicates responding officers got a nine one
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Speaker 1: one call for an unresponsive female. They get Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: why are you even saying that, Because we've now got
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Speaker 1: a partial autopsy that says cause of death is compression,
26:50
Speaker 1: So why are you even bringing that up there? Saying
26:52
Speaker 1: so then we learned a little bit more, just another
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Speaker 1: chance to try to trash the victim at all. I
26:57
Speaker 1: don't think this girl did anything that wasn't the cause
26:59
Speaker 1: of death though, So why are you bringing it up to.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is when the initial officers got there,
27:04
Speaker 1: they had no idea. So then e MS takes the
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Speaker 1: body to the morgue, the medical examiner does their investigation.
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Speaker 1: They determined compressions to the neck killed her. We still
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Speaker 1: don't know if rape was a component, is all I'm saying.
27:18
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is we now know. Oh so you
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Speaker 1: think they had a sweet session. You don't. I'm sorry,
27:26
Speaker 1: hold on just a moment, Alexis Terress Chuck correct me
27:29
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but it doesn't two plus two still
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Speaker 1: equal four, or if I lost my mind does and
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Speaker 1: she was bound with Bruis's contusions around her neck. You know,
27:41
Speaker 1: I can't believe Cardillo said that a former cop A
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Speaker 1: you think this beautiful young girl was to go out
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Speaker 1: and a freezing cold parking lot and have sex with
27:53
Speaker 1: a guy she barely knows and her Ford escort Nancy.
27:58
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it doesn't have but in this world, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess it does. But you're you're really belittling her.
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Speaker 1: And plus the fact that she's strangled dead, what do
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Speaker 1: you think that she uh, that was consensual too? She
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Speaker 1: wanted to be strangled no, she was obviously the two
28:15
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, you had your chance to two
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Speaker 1: are linked. She is still she's half naked, she's dead,
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Speaker 1: and the guy should go away for the rest of
28:25
Speaker 1: his life if he did it, if we had the
28:27
Speaker 1: death penalty, give it to him. But I just don't
28:30
Speaker 1: see both things can be okay. Maybe, Wendy Patrick, maybe
28:34
Speaker 1: I'm a little too angry at you and your lips
28:36
Speaker 1: are still moving. That's why I don't understand. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: Please explain to him why this is not a consensual
28:43
Speaker 1: sex stack. Her clothes are all torn up around her
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Speaker 1: her neck, and she's half clothed or skirts al yanked
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Speaker 1: up over her waist. She's in a public place, in
28:54
Speaker 1: a detached parking garage with the guy she hardly knows,
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Speaker 1: and she's dead. Yeah. I think what John was trying
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Speaker 1: to do is lay out what the defense and what
29:03
Speaker 1: the prosecution is going to have to overcome with full
29:06
Speaker 1: knowledge that we have a circumstantial evidence that makes it rape.
29:09
Speaker 1: And that's part of what you also, you know, doctor
29:11
Speaker 1: Gallagher said this as well. You look for tears and clothing,
29:14
Speaker 1: for blood, for it signs of fourth entry. If you will,
29:16
Speaker 1: you know the kinds of things that make it seem
29:18
Speaker 1: like there is no element of consent. And part of
29:21
Speaker 1: the thing you also are going to look at is
29:23
Speaker 1: this was a freezing night in a parking garage in
29:26
Speaker 1: her car, not the kind of consensual atmosphere that you
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Speaker 1: would imagine if in fact this is consensual. Say oh please,
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Speaker 1: it's not like it's got scented candles and playing jazz
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Speaker 1: music in the background. For Pete, say you know what,
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, I thought. I need you listen. You're misinterpreting
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying I really did until right now. Crime
30:03
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. A man from Maywood is under
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Speaker 1: arrest tonight after a nineteen year old woman is found
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Speaker 1: dead in her car at around two this morning in Hackensack.
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Speaker 1: Michael Gaffney facing reckless manslaughter. Authorities say they could not
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Speaker 1: revive Victoria Garcia in autopsy finding she had quote compression
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Speaker 1: injuries to her neck. Authorities say she was in the
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Speaker 1: backseat of her car with Gaffney, who will stay in
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Speaker 1: prison until his next court date. Reckless manslaughter? What did
30:37
Speaker 1: I just hear? Reckless manslaughter? Premeditated murderer is when you
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Speaker 1: have intent to commit the act that results in death fire.
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Speaker 1: I hold up a gun to Jackie Howard here in
30:50
Speaker 1: the studio with me and pull the trigger. The law presumes,
30:55
Speaker 1: assumes that I at and the natural consequence of my act.
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Speaker 1: I can't just say, oh, I just meant to scare
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Speaker 1: her by shooting her in the head. He can't say,
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Speaker 1: I just meant to what have rough sex and continue
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Speaker 1: compressing her neck until she was dead. He had plenty
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Speaker 1: of time to form premeditation. Premeditation under the law, like
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Speaker 1: it or not, can be formed in an instant and
31:17
Speaker 1: the time it takes you to pull a trigger, it
31:19
Speaker 1: takes several minutes to strangle someone dead. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends. I'm not blaming the messenger or that
31:26
Speaker 1: was Nick Medanus at News twelve New Jersey. But I
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Speaker 1: don't get why this is reckless manslaughter. Oh oh no,
31:34
Speaker 1: this is murder. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for
31:38
Speaker 1: the State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher tell me how long
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Speaker 1: it takes to strangle someone dead. Manuel's strangulation and what
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Speaker 1: are compression fractures. Well, in order to strangle somebody until
31:53
Speaker 1: they're dead, of their blood supply with the oxygen supply
31:56
Speaker 1: has to be cut up to their brain for longer
31:58
Speaker 1: than three minutes, So it's a very long drawn out
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Speaker 1: process that's very intimate. You're very close to the person,
32:06
Speaker 1: you know, so it's not a quick thing. It's about
32:09
Speaker 1: three or four minutes that you have to maintain that
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Speaker 1: restrictive compression around their neck. And then fractures around the
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Speaker 1: neck due to compression are often the highoid bone. So
32:19
Speaker 1: the highoid bone is a very thin small bone that's
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Speaker 1: in the front portion of the neck extending around the
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Speaker 1: sides of it, and the hand or the object that
32:29
Speaker 1: compresses the neck would often fracture that highoid bone and
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Speaker 1: therefore supporting evidence that the person was manually strangled. I'm
32:38
Speaker 1: just not understanding where they're getting the theory of reckless manslaughter.
32:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a chance you could get
32:45
Speaker 1: straight probation on that. On a reckless manslaughter. That's when
32:49
Speaker 1: you have a crash. You're not drunk, you have a
32:51
Speaker 1: crash as somebody dies. This is premeditated. He had how
32:56
Speaker 1: long did you say, doctor Gallaght takes his strangle somebody
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Speaker 1: did a general it's going to be greater than three minutes.
33:01
Speaker 1: So for three minutes, I mean, the law is Wendy Patrick.
33:05
Speaker 1: Premeditation can be formed in an instant. Why are they
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Speaker 1: cutting this guy a break, given him reckless manslaw or charges?
33:10
Speaker 1: This says to go to grant Ury and get a
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Speaker 1: murder show. Yeah, I think is maybe a function of
33:13
Speaker 1: what you and I have seen during the course of
33:15
Speaker 1: our careers is sometimes you need to gather as much
33:17
Speaker 1: evidence as you can before you can bump it up
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Speaker 1: to the next level. And maybe that's part of the
33:22
Speaker 1: analysis here. You always wonder that, you know, you look
33:24
Speaker 1: at the facts as are reported, and then you see
33:26
Speaker 1: what's been charged, and you see the discrepancy. But we
33:28
Speaker 1: all know that, you know, because we're not privy to
33:31
Speaker 1: the inner workings and conversations and legal analysis. Maybe there
33:34
Speaker 1: are stronger charges coming once certain test results or once
33:38
Speaker 1: more evidence is available. But you're right, that certainly will
33:41
Speaker 1: be something to consider because it sure does look one way,
33:43
Speaker 1: and yet the charges seemed to insinuate something less man
33:46
Speaker 1: appears facially obvious. I think she's being punished because she
33:49
Speaker 1: may have been drinking at the party and may have
33:52
Speaker 1: taken prescription drugs. I think she's being punished and shamed
33:57
Speaker 1: even in death. It's happening all over again. Did we
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Speaker 1: learn nothing from Robert Chambers and Jennifer Levin's murder, the
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Speaker 1: so called preppie killer. Listen, I was responsible for her death,
34:10
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. You admitted guilt, but you
34:13
Speaker 1: did not intend to kill her. I don't believe I
34:16
Speaker 1: intended to kill her at all. Everything he said about
34:19
Speaker 1: how she died is absolutely untrue. She was frantically fighting
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Speaker 1: for her life. Am I a monster? No? If I
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Speaker 1: were a monster, I wouldn't care. Yes, you are a monster.
34:34
Speaker 1: You are a monster. You are evil, and that wasn't
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Speaker 1: your first defense. I'm talking about Robert Chambers. You were
34:41
Speaker 1: just saying you were sorry because you were talking to
34:44
Speaker 1: forty eight hours Rick Salinger, and you want everybody to
34:46
Speaker 1: hear that feel sorry for you. But in this case,
34:49
Speaker 1: it's happening, is playing out all over again. Frances Victoria Garcia,
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Speaker 1: just nineteen years old, is dead, half clothed with Prussian fractures,
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Speaker 1: straggled so hard that most likely her highoid bow there
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Speaker 1: were actually fractures in her neck, and now we've got
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Speaker 1: just a reckless manslaughter charge. Really, I'm stunned. Listen to this.
35:16
Speaker 1: Go fund me has pulled the plug on a fundraiser
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Speaker 1: set up for a man charged with reckless manslaughter. Michael
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Speaker 1: Gaffney was arrested over the weekend in connection to the
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Speaker 1: death of nineteen year old Victoria Garcia. Gaffney's family had
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Speaker 1: created the gofund maid to raise money for his defense.
35:31
Speaker 1: The site shot down the page, sitting a violation of
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Speaker 1: its policy, which bans raising money for legal defenses involving
35:38
Speaker 1: violent crimes. Guys, this guy not only kills a nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl. Oh, by the way, that's News twelve
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Speaker 1: New Jersey anchor Christina Bear, but Alexis Terreschuk, investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: writer online dot com, he actually starts to go fund
35:51
Speaker 1: me to raise money for himself. Yep. His family set
35:54
Speaker 1: it up hoping that they could get some money. They
35:56
Speaker 1: actually started getting money, and then luckily go fund me
35:58
Speaker 1: set it down, shut it down. The thing that's so
36:02
Speaker 1: amazing in this case is that the judge, as you were,
36:06
Speaker 1: was furious about this snapchat posts that he made and
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Speaker 1: said that is the reason he wasn't going to let
36:13
Speaker 1: him out on bail because reckless manslaughter charges are not
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Speaker 1: first degree murder, and bail was a possibility for him,
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Speaker 1: and he said, you know this is disgusting. What you
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Speaker 1: have done is so disgusting. I am not even going
36:24
Speaker 1: to allow you to have bail. So after she goes
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Speaker 1: lifeless or still, he takes a naked photo and post
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Speaker 1: it to thirty people. Could he have saved her life?
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,