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S21, #5: Paradise Lost and Paradise Found · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey Ashley, we're not together today? Yeah
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Speaker 1: we are a separate again. Can you come back here?
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Speaker 1: I would love to, um, But unfortunately to everybody out there,
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Speaker 1: if I sound a little different, I am stuck at work.
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Speaker 1: Uh So I could not make it to the studio today.
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Speaker 1: I am on a telephone telephone in my office. So
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Speaker 1: if you hear me breathing or if I'm a little
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Speaker 1: bit staticky, that's why. But we could not miss out
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Speaker 1: on a great week of conversation in between. Ashley and
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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this podcast. We have a lot to
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Speaker 1: talk about so much because of course we have to
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Speaker 1: update you guys on paradise. But before that, we have
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Speaker 1: a caller we do. Sarah from Pittsburgh has listened to
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Speaker 1: Ashley and I give dating advice before. So Sarah, what's
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Speaker 1: your dating issue? Hi guys? So I um was casually
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Speaker 1: dating a guy for about six months and about two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. UM, after he was being a little bit
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Speaker 1: weird and short through text message and too busy to
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Speaker 1: hang out like we used to, I just was like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what's up? I like you like, what's going on,
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Speaker 1: and his response was, Um, you know, I'm really busy
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Speaker 1: with work and don't want a relationship and we're really
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Speaker 1: not a good fit, so it's nothing personal. And I
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Speaker 1: was like super you know, taking him back because we
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Speaker 1: were casually dating, like I said, for about six months.
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Speaker 1: He pursued me, Um, you know we were exclusive and
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Speaker 1: that we weren't dating other people, but we were never
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Speaker 1: as you know, label with anything. So I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: am I is he just kind of being a jerk? Um?
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Speaker 1: Or is there a hidden thing here? You know, something
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Speaker 1: like that. I want a guy's perspective and then I
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Speaker 1: want obviously someone to sympathize with me a little bit. Actually, yeah,
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Speaker 1: my advice would be don't date him anymore poking at
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Speaker 1: all since that obviously, but um, you know, my my
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Speaker 1: honest advice here will be it sounds like this guy
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Speaker 1: and I don't know him, um, but just from what
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Speaker 1: I know from you is he doesn't have the cojones
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Speaker 1: to step up to the plate and say, hey, this
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Speaker 1: isn't working out for me. He had to have you
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Speaker 1: kind of approach him to get that out of his mouth.
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Speaker 1: And I don't like that. I think people break up.
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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. It's never it's never easy, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's a hard thing to do, or you know,
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Speaker 1: not everybody is compatible. Uh, but but what is true.
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Speaker 1: We each deserve to know where the other person stands,
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Speaker 1: especially when you are sharing a piece of yourself with
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Speaker 1: that person. So I would say, if he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: the respect for you to come to you and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm just not feeling this, which is a totally okay thing,
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Speaker 1: that that doesn't mean anything for you, it doesn't take
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Speaker 1: anything away from him, then this guy, um, is somebody
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Speaker 1: that you need to work on now, kind of moving
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Speaker 1: forward from away from and pushing away. There's nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with you here. Um, it sounds like, if anything, there's
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Speaker 1: something wrong with his confidence in himself to portray to
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Speaker 1: you where he's at. That's true. I never really looked
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Speaker 1: at it as a respect thing. But that's a good
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Speaker 1: way to think of it, because if he did respect
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Speaker 1: me to just be honest, he would have been honest
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Speaker 1: in the first place, I guess, or you know, come
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Speaker 1: up front about it. So that's a good point. And
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Speaker 1: I think about it like that. You know, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: sound like you're super depressed about him. I think you
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Speaker 1: kind of know he's a jerk. Yeah, I mean it was,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it was a casual thing, but I
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Speaker 1: was I was interested in seeing what, you know, the
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Speaker 1: future would hold. I'm obviously not crying myself to sleep
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Speaker 1: over it. You know, you know, I have a theory.
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Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna want to hear it. No, I
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Speaker 1: totally want to hear it. Probably met a girl that
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Speaker 1: he liked a little more. That's I think. I think
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Speaker 1: so too, I I that's what I think also, because yeah,
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Speaker 1: keeping you around for six months because you're fun for
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Speaker 1: six months and he liked you, but then you know,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't ever going to be serious long term thing.
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Speaker 1: And then he met someone else that he wanted to
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Speaker 1: spend more that was like a more serious thing. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But don't take that anything away from you if if
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Speaker 1: he did or not. I think you need to feel
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Speaker 1: good about yourself, and oftentimes the negativity that we might
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Speaker 1: spread on other people, especially in relationships, what I believe
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Speaker 1: is really an internal feeling how we feel about ourselves.
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Speaker 1: So for him not to tell you that, hey, I
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Speaker 1: just found somebody I think I'm more compatible with, to
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Speaker 1: me is weak. It's a very weak move on the
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Speaker 1: part of a man. Yeah. And six months in, you know,
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Speaker 1: either commit or break up, that's mine And I guess
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Speaker 1: I guess we got the breakup. That's what I got here. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and and you know, honestly, uh, it just sounds
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Speaker 1: like a good stepping stone to to the rest of
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Speaker 1: the relationships that will come your way in life. And
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Speaker 1: and actually, and I just wish you the best. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for calling in today. Um, we appreciate you just
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Speaker 1: kind of allowing us to get to get our mind
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Speaker 1: spinning about these kind of topics. If there are things
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Speaker 1: I don't think about often, I appreciate all that the
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Speaker 1: help I can get. Guys, I listen to you all
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Speaker 1: the time, and I listened to Ashley's other podcast, so
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Speaker 1: I'm like you fan ever, so um, we'll make sure
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Speaker 1: to listen to this episode because you're gonna be on
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Speaker 1: it all right. Oh my gosh, I can't wait. I'll
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Speaker 1: be like counting the minutes. All right, sounds good. Well,
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Speaker 1: thanks Sarah, Okay, thanks for your time. All Right, We're
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Speaker 1: gonna send it over real quick to Ray in Texas,
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Speaker 1: who has a very special question for my co host Ashley. Hello, Hey, hi, Hi,
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Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, actually I'm a big, big fan.
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Speaker 1: Then I'm a big fan of you as well, but asked,
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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of your I don't get it podcast.
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Speaker 1: I tweet you like you every day. My sister is
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Speaker 1: sitting right next to you right now. She also appreciates it.
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Speaker 1: So cool. Um, so I know that you had a
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Speaker 1: date recently. Well, you went out on a date with
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Speaker 1: this guy in March and then recently how to date,
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Speaker 1: and you were like kind of thinking, potentially he could
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Speaker 1: be your first boyfriend. That's so embarrassing to hear in
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Speaker 1: words at h No, that is not embarrassing, But I
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Speaker 1: was just wondering, like if anything has happened since he
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Speaker 1: left or anything. You know. It's funny, it's like I
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Speaker 1: will talk so much about the bad dates, but then
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Speaker 1: when you have a good date, you kind of want
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Speaker 1: to be more private about it. So I had I
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Speaker 1: went on a date with him. I guess it was
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Speaker 1: a week and a half ago. And now he's been gone,
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Speaker 1: he's been home, which we actually are from the same
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Speaker 1: county at home. Um, he's been home for a week
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Speaker 1: and a half now. He left like two days after
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Speaker 1: our date, and I'm going to see him on Monday.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's exciting, but it is good. You guys. Third date.
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Speaker 1: Who that's a big deal yer for you? Thank you?
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Speaker 1: Is it official? Like? So actually helped me out here
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Speaker 1: because I I haven't listened to here. I don't get
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Speaker 1: it podcast yet, but but I've heard it's amazing. Um,
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Speaker 1: so is this? Uh? I mean, where do you guys
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Speaker 1: stand relationship wise? Are you dating other people? Is he
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Speaker 1: dating other people? I don't think he's dating other people,
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Speaker 1: but Ben, this first date have been in March, and
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Speaker 1: then I didn't see him again until like two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: And then of course, like I see him and he
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Speaker 1: blames a whole bunch of different reasons on why that was.
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Speaker 1: But like, I think I trust him. He's saying like
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Speaker 1: very um he's saying a lot of things that make
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Speaker 1: me feel very good about the situation. But then again,
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Speaker 1: you guys, it's only my third date with him on
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Speaker 1: one day. So well beforehand, yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew him,
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Speaker 1: I was, I was friendly with him beforehand. Yeah. Okay, well, hey, Ray,
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Speaker 1: thanks for the calling. We appreciate it. Thank you. Great question.
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Speaker 1: I will a part back. Okay, awesome. You know, one
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Speaker 1: of the best parts about this podcast so far from
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Speaker 1: me actually is there are so many people that that
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Speaker 1: message me or mess did you that takes such an
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Speaker 1: interest in your love life. They really want to see
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Speaker 1: you happy, They really want to see you. Know. If
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Speaker 1: you didn't desire to be in relationship, then you know this,
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Speaker 1: this wouldn't be a topic we ever talked about. It
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Speaker 1: would just be something that you've chosen to not pursue.
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Speaker 1: But because you desire to be in a relationship with somebody, um,
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Speaker 1: it is something that I think so many people are
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Speaker 1: rooting for you for. And so I love when people
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Speaker 1: call in truly interested and how you're doing and who
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Speaker 1: you're meeting, and because I think they see in you
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Speaker 1: somebody that is so special and so great and somebody's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a huge catch one day. Well thanks Ben, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think that is one of the funniest slash coolest
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Speaker 1: things about being on the back to franchise is that
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Speaker 1: you'll get people coming up to you in all the
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Speaker 1: weirdest places, like I was on a cruise and I
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Speaker 1: was eating lunch and this like seventies something your old
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Speaker 1: woman is like, Ashley, I've been praying for you. I've
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Speaker 1: been praying for you to find the love of your life.
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Speaker 1: And then she told me her love stories and they're amazing.
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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite parts of being Yeah, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: You have a lot of people running for you, Ashley
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Speaker 1: and UM, you know, now, I think we're going to
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Speaker 1: switch gears here. Uh. You know those those two colors
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Speaker 1: are great and and I really love talking to people
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Speaker 1: and I hope we can do that more and more
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Speaker 1: as this podcast continues. But this week we have so
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Speaker 1: much going on and so much to talk about that
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Speaker 1: we actually had to have a special emergency podcast last week,
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Speaker 1: UM to talk about all this Bachelor in Paradise stuff. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's obviously something that UM, we got a lot of
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Speaker 1: press over for talking about. You know, you and I
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Speaker 1: both I think are very clear and and maybe you know,
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Speaker 1: we we didn't communicate this as well as we might
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Speaker 1: we should have, but people seem to appreciate the podcast.
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Speaker 1: But we also need to say we have very We
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Speaker 1: have no comments or opinions on on the situation because
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Speaker 1: we just don't know a lot and we said that
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Speaker 1: last week. But I want to be clear that Ashley
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Speaker 1: and I are just trying to investigate from from who
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Speaker 1: we know is really trying to track down the truth
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Speaker 1: of the story that any assumptions or any blame we're
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Speaker 1: not going to place on anybody until, um, the truth
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Speaker 1: is out, until we have more facts, until we know
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Speaker 1: the situation, because right now all we know is what
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Speaker 1: we're hearing. And so we're gonna have to continue this
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Speaker 1: conversation this week because there's been some updates, uh since
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Speaker 1: we talk last time, some really big updates that I
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Speaker 1: don't exactly know what they mean, um, for this situation.
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Speaker 1: And and actually, as we talked to Elier, I don't
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Speaker 1: think you do either, right, No, you and I are
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Speaker 1: on the same page and all this and everything out there,
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Speaker 1: the only thing that's really confirmed is what Warrener brothers
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Speaker 1: will tell us right now exactly. Yeah. So, so we
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Speaker 1: we've brought in Jackie Strauss again, um from the Hollywood Reporter.
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Speaker 1: She's done an amazing bring this story. Um. Jackie joined
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Speaker 1: us for our podcast last week, and is you know,
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Speaker 1: just simply sharing what they know, what the facts are.
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Speaker 1: And I think, um, this is a source that we
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Speaker 1: want to continue to tap back into because we don't
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Speaker 1: want to we don't want to set any or start
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Speaker 1: any new rumors we don't want to add damage to
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Speaker 1: a situation that's really hard on a lot of people
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Speaker 1: right now, especially of the people immediately involved and affected
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Speaker 1: by this, and so we called. We called Jackie back
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Speaker 1: this week to hear about the updates. Jackie out there, Hi, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm here, Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast with
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Speaker 1: Ashley and I. Thanks for having me back, Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being here. Been a lot since we last spoke, some
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Speaker 1: big updates. I'm just going to see if you could
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Speaker 1: share those with us. Well, I mean, when we last spoke,
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Speaker 1: we weren't identifying the two people at the center of
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Speaker 1: this because the they hadn't spoken out, UM, and now
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Speaker 1: they have as I'm sure you guys were discussing earlier
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Speaker 1: who they are, which the listeners not already Actually we weren't,
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Speaker 1: So do you want to say that, do you want
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Speaker 1: to clarify? Yeah? So it's Karin Olympios and Di Mario Jackson.
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Speaker 1: So Karin was on Nick season and de Mario was
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Speaker 1: recently eliminated on Rachel's season. UM and Krin spoke out
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Speaker 1: officially first. UM she hired a top high Wood publicist
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Speaker 1: and attorney and released the statements or her publicist. UM
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Speaker 1: and what she said was to quote her, Actually, she said,
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Speaker 1: I'm a victim and has spent the last week trying
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what happened on June four. And
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Speaker 1: you know, she went on to say that she had
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Speaker 1: little memory of that night, but that something bad did
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Speaker 1: take obviously did take place, and that that's why she's
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Speaker 1: retaining these professionals to help find that out. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: then not that long after, de Mario released his own
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Speaker 1: statement saying that he sought legal counsel um and that
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Speaker 1: he planned to take to quote from him, swift and
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Speaker 1: appropriate legal action to clear his name. Um. And at
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Speaker 1: this point it's not clear if he's retained a lawyer. UM.
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Speaker 1: It seems that he is still deciding how to proceed.
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Speaker 1: But he has definitely sought legal counsel in the matter.
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Speaker 1: And as far as de Mario goes, that would be
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Speaker 1: for like s like um making he's public image planner, right,
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Speaker 1: is one not want slammed or not liable? Right? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean I actually want you guys to talk to
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Speaker 1: our legal reporter, who I believe you're gonna speak to
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Speaker 1: right after me, and she can get into everything a
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Speaker 1: little bit more officially than I can. She's spoken to
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Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers about this and reports on legal
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Speaker 1: cases daily for us at t hr. UM think that
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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conversation around this footage. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's as far as we know, neither Karen or Tomorio
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Speaker 1: have seen it. But that doesn't totally mean that it
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Speaker 1: will be conclusive. I mean, I think it becomes an
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Speaker 1: issue about what Warner Brothers can determine from looking at
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Speaker 1: the footage, because the people who are conducting the investigation
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Speaker 1: have obviously seen it, and the producers who were there
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Speaker 1: filming it or maybe perhaps we're in the editing room,
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Speaker 1: have seen it. But that doesn't mean that every producer
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Speaker 1: who was there, including the producer or who found this complaint, thought, Um,
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Speaker 1: do you think that the people of America will ever
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Speaker 1: see these tapes? That's a good question. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think no one involved wants this tape out. I mean
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Karin and Tomario. I mean that it's
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Speaker 1: a personal moment between them, so obviously they don't want
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Speaker 1: that tape out, and I think that would I mean,
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Speaker 1: it would certainly change things in terms of Warner brother
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Speaker 1: There's an ABC if it were to get out, that's
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Speaker 1: a court case, wouldn't it be used. I don't believe
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Speaker 1: it's going to get to that point. And you can
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Speaker 1: ask my colleague when you seek to her too. Um.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these things tend to get settled. And I
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Speaker 1: think especially by Karin retaining a lawyer like Marty Singer,
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Speaker 1: who has he's really a master letter gator. He's repped
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Speaker 1: legs of Charlie Sheen and Paula Abduel and John Travolta
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Speaker 1: and me. You know, he he's he knows that he's
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Speaker 1: doing and I don't think that it would get to
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Speaker 1: the point where they go to the court over there. Well, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: thank you again for joining us this week. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think if we can continue to tap into you
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Speaker 1: as our resource for this as in the upcoming weeks
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Speaker 1: come about because you you have been nothing um but
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Speaker 1: honest and too full And as I said last time,
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Speaker 1: you're not trying to create a story, You're trying to
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Speaker 1: share a story, uh and share the facts. So Jackie
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Speaker 1: strouss Um, the East Coast digital editor from The Hollywood Reporter,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us again and we look forward
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Speaker 1: to talking to you soon. Thanks guys, So just let's
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Speaker 1: turn it right over to Ashley Collins, Uh, the staff
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Speaker 1: reporter for The Hollywood Reporter. She is kind of gonna
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Speaker 1: be um, I guess, for lack of a better term,
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Speaker 1: our legal expert or our legal analyst on this case
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Speaker 1: right now. Ashley, how you doing? I'm doing well? Thanks?
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Speaker 1: How are you really well? Thank you for Johann, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: and I of course thanks for having me. Yeah, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining Ashley And Okay, anyway, Ashley, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think the easiest way to do this right now
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Speaker 1: is just to ask you. You know, we just got
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Speaker 1: the update from Jackie on the situation and that Karin
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Speaker 1: and Tomorrow have been announces the two people involved in
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Speaker 1: this case, and that Karine has has now hired a
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Speaker 1: lawyer and a publicist um to speak on her behalf.
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Speaker 1: What does this mean, um, for this whole investigation? Now?
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Speaker 1: What does it mean? Well, who Karinn hired is a
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Speaker 1: pretty strong sign that this is going to settle pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: Marty Singer is the guy you call in Hollywood when
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Speaker 1: you want a situation handled. And I think it's in
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Speaker 1: everyone's best interest that this whole conversation ends. Uh. You
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Speaker 1: know that the network doesn't want this casting a shadow
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Speaker 1: over its show. I'm sure karinnand Maori don't want their
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Speaker 1: sex life being even more speculated about than it already
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Speaker 1: has been. So I think now that at least Karin
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Speaker 1: has a Hollywood heavy hitter in our corner, this is
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Speaker 1: probably going to end pretty quickly. So you're saying that
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Speaker 1: it would be settled and not a court case, I
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Speaker 1: would think so most cases settle, so it would definitely
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Speaker 1: not be surprising if this one did too. And there's
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Speaker 1: a lot at stake for everybody involved, and so I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they come to some sort of
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Speaker 1: an agreement even before the show finishes its final report
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Speaker 1: on what happened, Because by this point in the game,
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Speaker 1: I've talked to several attorneys who investigate things like these
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Speaker 1: for corporations, and they say that at ten point ten
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Speaker 1: days in what are ten days in probably um the
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Speaker 1: company has a good idea of what happened, and they've
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Speaker 1: probably reached some sort of a preliminary conclusion and that's
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Speaker 1: enough info for them to assess their own liability and
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Speaker 1: start thinking about cutting a deal. And what does settling, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is amy, what does settling mean as far as
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Speaker 1: public perception and the future of the franchise. That's a
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Speaker 1: fantastic question. Yeah, on one hand, settling kind of implies guilt,
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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, these companies are very good
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Speaker 1: at crafting public statements that are non apologies, So I'm
18:31
Speaker 1: sure they're probably working on a way where everyone walks
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Speaker 1: away from this slightly unhappy. That's the goal of a settlement.
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Speaker 1: Nobody is going to love the end result, but everybody
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Speaker 1: can live with it. So I think if if ABC
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Speaker 1: and Warner Brothers find some way to say we're really
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Speaker 1: sorry this happened, we're taking steps to make sure this
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Speaker 1: kind of question is never raised again. And we've come
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Speaker 1: to and rement with karenin to Mario and everyone is
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Speaker 1: happy with it. That's probably the effect of what we're
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Speaker 1: going to hear from them. They're not going to say
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Speaker 1: they did anything wrong. Um, they're not going to give
19:11
Speaker 1: us any specific details as to what they gave them
19:16
Speaker 1: in response for me in return for making this all
19:18
Speaker 1: go away. But it'll, you know, close the door and
19:21
Speaker 1: hopefully people will move on to the next story. In
19:27
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, I have two questions when it comes to
19:30
Speaker 1: drinking and a sexual assault cases. How does it normally
19:35
Speaker 1: go down, like what the protocol, Like what does blackout
19:38
Speaker 1: even mean? And how does that affect sexual assault cases. Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 1: it is definitely a sensitive topic, but I think it's
19:47
Speaker 1: important to talk about because this may be the first
19:51
Speaker 1: time this has happened with a bachelor show, but this
19:54
Speaker 1: happens all the time on college campuses exactly. And one
19:58
Speaker 1: of the attorneys I spoke with a big part of
20:01
Speaker 1: her job is investigating these kinds of claims that happened
20:05
Speaker 1: on a college campus. And this thing that we have
20:08
Speaker 1: to remember here is that if they were both drunk,
20:14
Speaker 1: it's very possible they both failed to consent. And it's
20:20
Speaker 1: a tricky situation because one of the attorneys I talked to,
20:24
Speaker 1: flout Out, said theoretically they could both be victims of
20:28
Speaker 1: sexual assaults, and because sexual assault isn't a specific intent crime,
20:34
Speaker 1: you don't have to mean to do it. You can
20:36
Speaker 1: accidentally do it. They both could also be perpetrators of it.
20:42
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really complicated and it kind of runs
20:46
Speaker 1: counter to common sense because in this situation, people want
20:51
Speaker 1: someone to hold responsible. I got a tweet yesterday saying
20:55
Speaker 1: that some girl has been blacked out before, and there's
20:59
Speaker 1: been footage of it. This is like a fan she's
21:01
Speaker 1: blacked out, there's footage of it, but in the footage
21:04
Speaker 1: she looks totally lucid, like she looks fine. So this
21:07
Speaker 1: is possible. Absolutely, people process alcohol differently, and I'm not
21:14
Speaker 1: a doctor, but I think it's safe to say that
21:17
Speaker 1: most people have probably been in a situation where they've
21:19
Speaker 1: been out with their friends and they feel more drunk
21:22
Speaker 1: than their friends realized they are. So I don't necessarily
21:27
Speaker 1: think producers are properly trained. Maybe they should be, Maybe
21:33
Speaker 1: they are about how to recognize when somebody has had
21:37
Speaker 1: too much alcohol, because some people can drink a lot
21:39
Speaker 1: and still seem like they're functioning when in reality there
21:44
Speaker 1: totally inebriated and not capable of making their own decisions.
21:49
Speaker 1: And I guess it depends on the person, because I
21:51
Speaker 1: know that if I'm drunk, I'm throwing up. The second
21:54
Speaker 1: that I get spinny, it's done. But I guess other people,
21:56
Speaker 1: you know, they can go for a while without really
21:58
Speaker 1: showing it outwardly. Yeah, it's I think dramatically can vary
22:03
Speaker 1: from person to person, and really only a doctor or
22:09
Speaker 1: somebody who's been trained for signs to look for that
22:13
Speaker 1: might be less obvious. I know bartenders across the country,
22:16
Speaker 1: you know, go through training as to when they're supposed
22:19
Speaker 1: to cut somebody off. So maybe it's a question of this.
22:22
Speaker 1: If alcohol is going to remain a part of these shows,
22:26
Speaker 1: maybe producers need to receive the same kind of training
22:29
Speaker 1: that those bartenders tas. Okay, My second question is if
22:33
Speaker 1: this does go to court, which we are thinking it
22:35
Speaker 1: will be settled. But if it does, will the tapes
22:38
Speaker 1: be involved? Yes to a jury, m hmmm, probably not.
22:49
Speaker 1: Judges in situations like this air on the side of
22:53
Speaker 1: protecting the privacy of the individuals who are involved, especially
22:58
Speaker 1: in cases that could involve sexual assault. UM. So I
23:05
Speaker 1: don't think there's any way a jury sees this. If
23:07
Speaker 1: it's submitted as evidence, it would likely be submitted under
23:11
Speaker 1: seal um either so only the judge can see it,
23:14
Speaker 1: or only the judge and the people directly involved with
23:17
Speaker 1: the lawsuits, so the individuals, the company and their lawyers
23:21
Speaker 1: could see it. Um. It is definitely important, but it
23:26
Speaker 1: might not be definitive because even though the filming happened
23:31
Speaker 1: in Mexico, chances are that these contracts say they're ruled
23:36
Speaker 1: under California law, and California law requires affirmative confect It's
23:40
Speaker 1: not just don't say no, it's can I do this? Yes? Well,
23:45
Speaker 1: how about this? Yes? Um. It's not something that really
23:49
Speaker 1: happens a lot in daily life, but legally that is
23:51
Speaker 1: what is supposed to happen. So if there's no evidence
23:56
Speaker 1: that that happened on camera, that's a strong indicator that
24:03
Speaker 1: she might have a claim. But it doesn't definitely say well,
24:10
Speaker 1: it could have happened off camera, you know, because they
24:12
Speaker 1: fell him a lot. But I would imagine that they
24:14
Speaker 1: do miss some things. Justifee Devil's eye again for a second.
24:18
Speaker 1: But I am making out with a guy or something.
24:22
Speaker 1: I never say yes, you can do this. Yeah, it's weird.
24:27
Speaker 1: It's a relatively new law in California. Um. But on
24:31
Speaker 1: this season of The Bachelor at for example, Fred asked
24:35
Speaker 1: Rachel if he could kiss her and her response was,
24:38
Speaker 1: oh my god, nobody's ever asked me that before. They
24:40
Speaker 1: just do it, um. And it doesn't have to be
24:44
Speaker 1: from my understanding of a law, it doesn't have to
24:46
Speaker 1: be a verbal yes. Um. It could be a nod,
24:49
Speaker 1: a smile or whatever. But you've got to try to
24:53
Speaker 1: find out whether or not. What you're doing is welcome.
24:57
Speaker 1: M hm. So I guess just to to kind of
25:00
Speaker 1: clean things up here because I'm listening to if you
25:02
Speaker 1: talk and it's it's great and I'm learning a ton.
25:06
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot actually, and it's my my My
25:08
Speaker 1: question is who exactly would either party then if they
25:13
Speaker 1: both could be victims of assault, if we're if we're
25:16
Speaker 1: saying that that is a possible UM conclusion that we're
25:19
Speaker 1: going to come to here in this case, who then
25:22
Speaker 1: exactly is UM who do they have a case against.
25:25
Speaker 1: Do they actually then have a case against Warner Brothers
25:28
Speaker 1: in ABC, or do they just have a case against
25:30
Speaker 1: each other? And that's where things are really complicated because
25:36
Speaker 1: we don't know because these contracts are are so all
25:42
Speaker 1: encumbering and a lot of it is going to come
25:45
Speaker 1: down to UM the specific wording of the contract. And
25:49
Speaker 1: the closest we've come to getting an answer on this
25:52
Speaker 1: topic happened a couple of years ago with one of
25:56
Speaker 1: the Real World road Rules Challenge series UM. One of
26:01
Speaker 1: the contestants says she was sexually assaulted, and she sued
26:04
Speaker 1: the production company and MTV UM and she argued that
26:08
Speaker 1: she was an employee and therefore they owed her a
26:12
Speaker 1: duty of responsibility to make sure she was safe. Um.
26:15
Speaker 1: And they obviously disagreed with her, but they reached a
26:18
Speaker 1: settlement before the court made any decisions on the matter.
26:21
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that those same questions would be
26:25
Speaker 1: raised here if this does in fact go to court. Okay,
26:28
Speaker 1: I have to say that, as the contract says, by
26:32
Speaker 1: going to Paradise, you could be risking death and you
26:36
Speaker 1: have to sign that you're okay with this, So I'm
26:38
Speaker 1: figuring it has to cover what's gone down there. Um. Theoretically, yes,
26:49
Speaker 1: ABC Warner, they have the best lawyer's money can buy.
26:53
Speaker 1: But there are some things you can't contract. To paraphrase
26:57
Speaker 1: one of the attorneys I spoke to, you can't entrect
27:01
Speaker 1: criminal activity. So if something illegal happens on your watch
27:08
Speaker 1: and these people are in your care, because this is
27:12
Speaker 1: not a typical employer employee relationship. You know, you don't
27:16
Speaker 1: generally live at your office and eat food and drink
27:20
Speaker 1: booze that is given to you by your bosses. So
27:23
Speaker 1: there are a lot of complicating factors here. But I
27:26
Speaker 1: would imagine that the lawyers would be arguing that what
27:31
Speaker 1: happened here falls outside the scope of the contract. So basically,
27:34
Speaker 1: if I want bungee jumping on a date in Paradise
27:37
Speaker 1: and died, well that's in the contract. But this is
27:41
Speaker 1: not covered. Yeah unless a producer, you know, I didn't
27:49
Speaker 1: hook up your bungee properly, like, unless there was some
27:52
Speaker 1: kind of negligence on the part of this show. Yeah,
27:55
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be paradise. Almost sounds funny to
27:57
Speaker 1: think of a death waiver being signed to go to Paradise,
28:01
Speaker 1: But um, I guess that's the case. And this is uh,
28:08
Speaker 1: you know, this is obviously actually something that is is
28:10
Speaker 1: super um heavy. You know, I'm just sitting here right
28:15
Speaker 1: now listening to this is almost as an observer and
28:17
Speaker 1: just say, man, this is this is pulling out my
28:19
Speaker 1: heart a lot for a lot of different reasons. This
28:22
Speaker 1: is obviously. Um. There are rumors we still don't know,
28:26
Speaker 1: um and correct me if I'm wrong. There still has
28:28
Speaker 1: not been a suit filed, and so we still don't
28:31
Speaker 1: know what the claims will be. Where we have rumors
28:33
Speaker 1: of what the claims will be. UM, we do know
28:35
Speaker 1: that Karnis came out and said she is a victim,
28:37
Speaker 1: and and Tomorrow has not came out and said anything yet. UM.
28:40
Speaker 1: But either way, there is a lot of heaviness and
28:45
Speaker 1: a lot of sadness involved in this situation. And I
28:48
Speaker 1: think all we can ask for, UM from from the
28:51
Speaker 1: public's point of view, and then also for the people involved, UM,
28:55
Speaker 1: including as we know right now Karnnin tomorrow, that that
28:58
Speaker 1: the truth is told, UM, that they come to a
29:02
Speaker 1: resolution UM that might not fix a situation, but at
29:08
Speaker 1: least allows that the all parties involved to walk away
29:11
Speaker 1: feeling like UM. There is hopefully forgiveness, I guess, because
29:16
Speaker 1: that's all we can ask for in life, right like
29:18
Speaker 1: mistakes are gonna be made. This one might be super heavy,
29:21
Speaker 1: and I you know, I can't even speak on it really,
29:24
Speaker 1: but I hope that through all of this that the
29:27
Speaker 1: truth is told and then UM, forgiveness is able to
29:31
Speaker 1: be had, because that's the important thing here. UM. Ashley
29:34
Speaker 1: Collins from the staff reporter for The Hollywood Reporter, thank
29:37
Speaker 1: you for coming on. This was incredibly compelling to me,
29:41
Speaker 1: especially to hear you and Ashley talk about this and UH,
29:44
Speaker 1: and I hope to to get you back on the
29:46
Speaker 1: phone again soon if you're okay with it, to kind
29:48
Speaker 1: of hear updates as this goes on, absolutely, thank you
29:51
Speaker 1: for having me. Thank you. Actually it was great. It's
29:56
Speaker 1: a little heavy, Ashley, very heavy. I I honestly don't
29:59
Speaker 1: even know kind of how to move on from that.
30:05
Speaker 1: You did and you asked some great questions and some
30:08
Speaker 1: questions you know, some of the things that kind of
30:10
Speaker 1: stand out to me that I wrote down that were
30:12
Speaker 1: important to to know. What was that? You know, because
30:15
Speaker 1: of the situation, Um, you know, both people could be
30:20
Speaker 1: victims here, right, I mean we don't know. We don't
30:22
Speaker 1: know what the out of scenario played out or um,
30:25
Speaker 1: what exactly went down. We don't have the footage, but
30:27
Speaker 1: it's interesting to think that both people could arguably be
30:31
Speaker 1: victims in this case. UM. And it will be to
30:34
Speaker 1: me where we will try to continue to track down
30:36
Speaker 1: information to figure out exactly what went on, and part
30:40
Speaker 1: of that will be continuing to speak to people like
30:42
Speaker 1: Sam Rubin, the entertainment entertainment reporter from k l A
30:47
Speaker 1: Channel five in Los Angeles. Um, Sam, I know that
30:52
Speaker 1: that you have have kind of studied this case a
30:54
Speaker 1: little bit, Um, and you have you have a perspective
30:57
Speaker 1: that others might not have and and actually I want
31:00
Speaker 1: to hear what exactly is that. My perspective is this
31:03
Speaker 1: is extraordinarily damning for the show. And I think this, uh,
31:07
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll see Bachelor in Paradise on television
31:10
Speaker 1: basically ever again. And I think it pretends uh tremendous
31:15
Speaker 1: problems for the Bachelor in general. And and here's the dilemma,
31:18
Speaker 1: and I mean, you guys have lived it. Uh. There
31:21
Speaker 1: there's a distinction between the way we in the general
31:24
Speaker 1: public see this kind of you know, fantasy show and
31:27
Speaker 1: what really goes on. And so you tell me, are
31:31
Speaker 1: we better served by just enjoying the show in our
31:34
Speaker 1: homes as we do. I don't think we want to
31:36
Speaker 1: know too much. I don't think we really want to
31:38
Speaker 1: know all the behind the scenes machinations. And so, you know,
31:43
Speaker 1: some sort of Bachelor and Paradise trial that would reveal
31:46
Speaker 1: all that I think would be very damn it all
31:48
Speaker 1: the way around. So for my senses, you're going to
31:52
Speaker 1: see a very big check written to Kareem, a very
31:54
Speaker 1: big check written to this other sub the Mario Mario
31:59
Speaker 1: uh and and a significant effort on Warner Brothers parts
32:03
Speaker 1: to frankly have conversations like we're happing right now not
32:06
Speaker 1: take place because this is this is basically all that well,
32:10
Speaker 1: I actually want to clarify from my own perspective personally,
32:14
Speaker 1: is that Paradise has this vision of being like raunchy
32:19
Speaker 1: now and then it's just like this, this horrible sexual
32:23
Speaker 1: assault goes down and like, oh my gosh, they hiding
32:25
Speaker 1: this from us every season and in my two seasons,
32:29
Speaker 1: I'd say absolutely not. The only people that I've known
32:34
Speaker 1: who have um had sex on the resort are people
32:40
Speaker 1: that really get engaged at the end of it. It's
32:42
Speaker 1: really pretty innocent. It's pretty innocent. Um, there's not drunk people.
32:47
Speaker 1: We're not running around, we're not being sloppy. We're literally
32:50
Speaker 1: just sitting around the picnic tables talking. You know, we
32:53
Speaker 1: mightbe be like have enjoying a couple, but it's it's
32:57
Speaker 1: nothing salacious. They're not hiding any thing from you out
33:00
Speaker 1: usually okay, well I think, or usually stands out a
33:06
Speaker 1: little bit. And then and then one other thing is
33:09
Speaker 1: and agatin You guys would know better than I do
33:12
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, spontaneously and genuinely unfold, or
33:16
Speaker 1: does somebody say, hey, actually, you know Bob over there
33:20
Speaker 1: likes you. You might want to pay some attention to
33:22
Speaker 1: you know, I think, and I've I've worked on a
33:24
Speaker 1: bunch of TV shows. I think there's probably you know,
33:27
Speaker 1: a lot of these subtle or not so subtle manipulation.
33:30
Speaker 1: And that's fine, that's that's the world of television production.
33:33
Speaker 1: And you know, in terms of reality shows that that
33:35
Speaker 1: happens on Survivor and every other show too. But again,
33:38
Speaker 1: I don't think the general public wants to know that
33:42
Speaker 1: or wants to see it. And if you had some big,
33:44
Speaker 1: massive Bachelor and Paradise trial, all that would be laid there,
33:47
Speaker 1: and I think the overal industry and the the Bachelor
33:51
Speaker 1: nation first and foremost would not want to have that happen. Definitely.
33:56
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and Ashley, you know, I've Sam,
33:59
Speaker 1: I'm just going to join you this conversation here. Um,
34:02
Speaker 1: I've never been to Paradise. I I don't know anything
34:04
Speaker 1: about it. I don't know the format of it. I
34:06
Speaker 1: don't know the scene that it that it presents. Um. So, actually,
34:10
Speaker 1: as I'm hearing you talk here, you're saying this could
34:13
Speaker 1: be just a one off scenario, right, this this claim
34:15
Speaker 1: that the claims that are being made or the whatever,
34:18
Speaker 1: the rumors that we're hearing because we still don't I
34:20
Speaker 1: want to be clear, we still don't have a suit filed,
34:22
Speaker 1: so we don't know exactly uh the claim that will
34:25
Speaker 1: be made, but we do have rumors which I don't
34:28
Speaker 1: want to spread any further. But what you're saying is,
34:33
Speaker 1: in this situation, it is something that seems to be
34:35
Speaker 1: one off, or it seems to be something that maybe
34:39
Speaker 1: cook a step farther than seasons that you've participated in
34:42
Speaker 1: the past. I think the only other time we saw
34:45
Speaker 1: an instance that could be even compared to this was
34:47
Speaker 1: with Chat and Lace last season, on the first episode
34:51
Speaker 1: of that season, and I wasn't there for it, and
34:53
Speaker 1: I know it was dramatic and that Chad was more
34:56
Speaker 1: so like saying hurtful things and doing hurtful things. Um,
35:01
Speaker 1: but I being in Paradise for a good chunk of
35:05
Speaker 1: both the past two seasons, never saw any unette against
35:08
Speaker 1: like this going down. I'm telling it was like, all
35:11
Speaker 1: this very calm. We're just a lot of mature people
35:16
Speaker 1: looking for love. Well, I mean, I think that's all
35:20
Speaker 1: well and good. I think there's a you know, terrific,
35:22
Speaker 1: uh fantasy element to it. Would see the sure good
35:25
Speaker 1: looking people uh, looking for love. But but you know
35:28
Speaker 1: the other thing in terms of with regards to to lossuits,
35:31
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily will ever be a lawsuit.
35:33
Speaker 1: I think this will all get settled. That the lawyer
35:36
Speaker 1: that Karin hired and this, you know, she might have
35:38
Speaker 1: a smart family or smart handlers. This guy is one
35:41
Speaker 1: of Hollywood's most notorious bulldogs. His name is Marty Singer.
35:45
Speaker 1: You can google the name of anybody in town knows
35:48
Speaker 1: Marty Singer. And you don't hire Marty Singer. You know,
35:51
Speaker 1: if if you want, if you know, if you're gonna
35:53
Speaker 1: take a small check and go home. So you know,
35:56
Speaker 1: I think that I tell you what, in a weird way, Uh,
36:00
Speaker 1: this whole thing reminds me of is the whole thing
36:03
Speaker 1: with Billy Bush when the Access Hollywood tape came out.
36:06
Speaker 1: So you know what that was just an unpleasant, yucky
36:11
Speaker 1: and and they just want more than anything, uh just
36:15
Speaker 1: make him go away. And so uh and I think
36:18
Speaker 1: he wasn't frankly treated fairly, but I'm quite confidant he
36:22
Speaker 1: was given a very generous settlement, uh to go away.
36:26
Speaker 1: And I think I think they want this to go away.
36:29
Speaker 1: So well, we'll see what happens. All right, Well, Sam
36:33
Speaker 1: Reuben the entertainment reporter for k TIL Channel five in
36:36
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. You can also follow him uh Sam on
36:40
Speaker 1: TV on Twitter. UM, Sam, thank you for joining us today.
36:44
Speaker 1: Thank you for your perspective on this UM. Ashley and
36:47
Speaker 1: I are going to dissect this here uh and try
36:49
Speaker 1: to kind of just make sense of a situation that
36:52
Speaker 1: right now, UM is just starting to come together. So Sam,
36:56
Speaker 1: thank you again for joining the almost famous podcast with
36:58
Speaker 1: Ashley and I. All right, very good, let's to talk
37:00
Speaker 1: to you guys, UM Actley. You know, I think you
37:05
Speaker 1: know we've talked about it UM to an extent. Now
37:08
Speaker 1: through this podcast, we have more information than we did
37:11
Speaker 1: last week. We're making sense of a situation that doesn't
37:15
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense last week and is starting to
37:17
Speaker 1: make more sense now we have names, Uh, we have
37:20
Speaker 1: an idea of how this is gonna play out, considering
37:23
Speaker 1: we've had all three UM guests of our say, you know,
37:26
Speaker 1: the Smarty singer, he's he's a bulldog, he's going to
37:28
Speaker 1: go after it. He This isn't just gonna be easy.
37:31
Speaker 1: And so let's try to move on now, UM to
37:34
Speaker 1: another show within this franchise. One that is has taken
37:38
Speaker 1: a week off. UM. Last week because of the NBA Finals,
37:41
Speaker 1: took a week off. But this week the Bachelorette is back.
37:45
Speaker 1: And I want to ask you before we get into
37:48
Speaker 1: to talk about the episode. Did you watch this week's episode,
37:51
Speaker 1: UM in a different way considering the situation that's going
37:55
Speaker 1: on in Paradise. To be honest, probably not. I actually
37:59
Speaker 1: can up with them pretty well, and I wasn't sure
38:01
Speaker 1: if I was going to be able to. But I
38:02
Speaker 1: think now that the Mario is no longer on the show,
38:06
Speaker 1: there's nobody there to remind you of what's going on
38:09
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Fair, That's fair, you know, I think I
38:15
Speaker 1: just think any Bachelor franchise right now, in my mind,
38:18
Speaker 1: is going to be effective. I'm affected. I'm almost watching
38:21
Speaker 1: this UM just for my sentence saying, Okay, there's so
38:25
Speaker 1: many people that are working on this show, UM, we're
38:28
Speaker 1: working on the Bachelorette, UM that are probably UM. I
38:33
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's not giving as much attention
38:34
Speaker 1: in detail to the Bachelorette as they originally probably wore
38:37
Speaker 1: because or because of this situation in Paradise, But watching
38:40
Speaker 1: the show itself, you know, you and I both know
38:42
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette has already filmed. You know, the results already done.
38:46
Speaker 1: The results were done before Paradise was was even starting
38:48
Speaker 1: the film. And so I'm gonna watch the Bachelorette in
38:51
Speaker 1: a way that I did initially. And that's the hope, UM,
38:54
Speaker 1: that a really great person Rachel Atte is find somebody
38:58
Speaker 1: that she can spend a lifetime within the show. I'd
39:00
Speaker 1: love to be a part of that. Um, we got
39:02
Speaker 1: to talk about one guy coming up here, UM that
39:05
Speaker 1: I think Rachel and this guy would be great for
39:09
Speaker 1: each other. The guy's name is Dean and he came
39:11
Speaker 1: out of nowhere this week and it's his party, UM
39:14
Speaker 1: to shine. So coming up we'll talk about Dean, Ben
39:18
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39:33
Speaker 1: this week is is pretty tame, I'd say compared to
39:35
Speaker 1: last week. There's three things that stood out to me
39:38
Speaker 1: and I want to hear your thoughts on it. Ashley.
39:40
Speaker 1: I believe that this week we could title the Bachelorette
39:44
Speaker 1: episode Dean's coming out party thoughts. Oh my gosh, Dean,
39:48
Speaker 1: he is the freaking cutest and yes, I think he
39:51
Speaker 1: emerges as one of the front runners after his one
39:55
Speaker 1: on one date. Yeah, I mean for anybody watching, Dean
39:58
Speaker 1: opened up about his his history and just kind of
40:01
Speaker 1: his life story. His life story um was something that
40:05
Speaker 1: I I found um of course, for lack of a
40:08
Speaker 1: better word, touching, um, but he did it. He communicated
40:11
Speaker 1: in a way that I felt was extremely genuine, and
40:14
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking for sympathy. He was just looking to
40:17
Speaker 1: communicate with Rachel his story because he You know, you
40:21
Speaker 1: and I both know from our experience on the show,
40:23
Speaker 1: you don't know how much more time you have left,
40:24
Speaker 1: and so the quicker you can kind of share who
40:26
Speaker 1: you are as a person and what brought you to
40:28
Speaker 1: where you are today, the better you are. I completely
40:32
Speaker 1: agree with you. There's always a SOB story or two
40:35
Speaker 1: each season, but I've really never cried at those stories.
40:39
Speaker 1: I actually usually cried during the final rowd ceremony when
40:42
Speaker 1: they get engaged. I have like those happy tears, But
40:45
Speaker 1: with with Dean, that was the first time I really
40:47
Speaker 1: cried listening to somebody's story. Yeah, and I think I
40:51
Speaker 1: think it just shows that that guy right there has
40:54
Speaker 1: some character and it's not all you know, he has
40:56
Speaker 1: character because of the man he is and also the
40:59
Speaker 1: story that he has to tell. And so this we
41:01
Speaker 1: are excited, I know we both are about Dean in
41:03
Speaker 1: the near future. Um. But two topics that I'm not
41:06
Speaker 1: that excited about. Two things that rubbed me the wrong
41:09
Speaker 1: way this week. Okay, one the first Lee definitely did,
41:13
Speaker 1: but no, the first one is Josiah talking in third person. Okay,
41:21
Speaker 1: so you hear this a lot right in just life,
41:23
Speaker 1: and it's one of my pet peeves. I don't know
41:25
Speaker 1: if it's yours, but when people talk in third person,
41:28
Speaker 1: it shows a level of arrogance I don't handle. Well, yeah,
41:32
Speaker 1: I didn't chat used to do that. I'm assuming I
41:36
Speaker 1: didn't really watch Jojr's season as much as probably others. Um,
41:40
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm sure he said something along the lines
41:42
Speaker 1: of Chad eats me or you know, Chad like girl. Um.
41:48
Speaker 1: That was one thing that sit out to me. The
41:50
Speaker 1: second thing is, um, something that comes up every season
41:53
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor, Bachelor at and I don't understand it.
41:55
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know how there continues
41:58
Speaker 1: to be the same thing played out, but it happens.
42:01
Speaker 1: It happens on my season The Bachelorette Um with Caitlin,
42:04
Speaker 1: it happened on your season of the Bachelor, with Chris
42:09
Speaker 1: Iggy being the biggy being the Wrong Reasons Police. He
42:14
Speaker 1: continues to spend his time talking to Rachel about other guys.
42:18
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Where did that come from? Ashley?
42:21
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think the people that tend
42:24
Speaker 1: to be the the Wrong Reasons Police are people that
42:29
Speaker 1: feel like they have nothing else to talk to you
42:31
Speaker 1: the lead about. Yeah, there may be some insecurities on
42:35
Speaker 1: their own part. I think that's always been told to
42:37
Speaker 1: me is when people communicate in a negative behavior, it's
42:40
Speaker 1: usually how they feel about themselves. So maybe he just
42:43
Speaker 1: doesn't know enough about himself yet to communicate who he
42:46
Speaker 1: is to Rachel and really show her this is who
42:48
Speaker 1: I am. I don't really care who these other guys are.
42:50
Speaker 1: They're going to be who they want to be to you.
42:52
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be the man that I believe
42:54
Speaker 1: I should be in this moment, right and Iggy unlikely
42:58
Speaker 1: is just being self aware and he actually is like, Oh,
43:02
Speaker 1: I'm starting drama because I want to. I want to
43:04
Speaker 1: create drama. But then Aggy, he's like really trying to
43:09
Speaker 1: get himself in the middle of it because I feel
43:11
Speaker 1: like he feels like he serves no other purpose there. Yeah,
43:15
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of Lee, you brought him up. We
43:17
Speaker 1: have to talk about him. Um. You know we we
43:21
Speaker 1: want to stay away from bad mouthing people. Um during
43:25
Speaker 1: this podcast, that's not something we want to do. But
43:27
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and Bachelor I just seemed to offer us
43:29
Speaker 1: that opportunity. All I was like, good, we can't be
43:32
Speaker 1: that good. So so we have Lee here, right. We
43:36
Speaker 1: talked about him a little bit last week. I was
43:38
Speaker 1: hoping this week he redeems himself. If anything, I believe
43:41
Speaker 1: he got worse. Um. And as I said last week,
43:45
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time I actually watching this show,
43:48
Speaker 1: and I admitted I'm becoming a fan because of him.
43:52
Speaker 1: I'm getting angry and I'm I'm feeling things inside of
43:55
Speaker 1: myself that that aren't healthy to feel, like anger and
43:58
Speaker 1: frustration and anxiety. Actually you're feeling the same thing, yes,
44:02
Speaker 1: And you know I was listening to our other podcasts
44:04
Speaker 1: yesterday and you were saying that that's a trait that
44:07
Speaker 1: both of us don't really have. Like I feel a
44:09
Speaker 1: lot of feelings. People know this, but I never really
44:12
Speaker 1: feel anger. And this man Lee brings it out in me.
44:17
Speaker 1: He does, and it's not healthy, it's not good. I
44:19
Speaker 1: hope Rachel figures it out. UM. So far it shows,
44:23
Speaker 1: you know, just starting to now she's seeing the signs.
44:26
Speaker 1: It looks like that, hey, this league guy seems to
44:28
Speaker 1: have some some issues or you know, this this league
44:31
Speaker 1: guy isn't exactly the type of person that I am
44:34
Speaker 1: going to be with long term. The problem in these
44:36
Speaker 1: situations that happened with The Bachelor Bachelotte is when a
44:39
Speaker 1: guy like that comes into play, it oftentimes UM hurts
44:43
Speaker 1: another suitor UM. And you can see it starting to
44:47
Speaker 1: happen with Kenny, right. Kenny is starting to be pulled
44:49
Speaker 1: into this and he's a nice guy and I think
44:52
Speaker 1: he's just getting lost in the moment where he doesn't
44:54
Speaker 1: know how to handle this lea situation. He targeted Eric
44:57
Speaker 1: last week and now he's going after sweetheart Kenny. And
45:01
Speaker 1: you know what my favorite thing was was when Kenny
45:04
Speaker 1: looked at Lee and he goes, Lee, You're a little bitch.
45:10
Speaker 1: It was so good. It's a bleeped out, of course,
45:14
Speaker 1: but it's great it is. It is bleeped out as
45:16
Speaker 1: it should be. This is um Family Television. Um, as
45:21
Speaker 1: we heard from Mike earlier, fourteen year old girls, I
45:22
Speaker 1: listening to this so um. So there's the storylines that
45:26
Speaker 1: play out for Ashly night right. So we have um Lee,
45:29
Speaker 1: who we hope goes we we don't really one of
45:31
Speaker 1: them around. It's it's not We're not going to miss
45:33
Speaker 1: him at all. Um. We have Josiah who continues to
45:37
Speaker 1: talk in third person, and we believe that Dean is
45:41
Speaker 1: on his way to the very very top. And you
45:44
Speaker 1: guys out there better start getting used to Dean. He's
45:47
Speaker 1: going to be around a while. Oh yeah, Bachelor material there.
45:51
Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
45:54
Speaker 1: with her radio. We have Delayne on the line from Ottawa, Canada.
45:59
Speaker 1: Hey Delane, what's question? Hi? Okay? So I always tell
46:02
Speaker 1: people how much I love the Bachelor franchise and how
46:05
Speaker 1: I'd love to be a part of it, but I
46:06
Speaker 1: always get such a negative response. But I just want
46:09
Speaker 1: to know why you guys think that the process is
46:12
Speaker 1: actually genuine and that finding true love in this type
46:15
Speaker 1: environment is possible. Well, for me, it's been so cool
46:18
Speaker 1: because both of my Paradise seasons, I have seen my
46:23
Speaker 1: friends get engaged at the end of it and then
46:26
Speaker 1: get to like be so close to them and see
46:28
Speaker 1: their love grow outside the franchise. So because I have
46:32
Speaker 1: four friends that it really worked for, it's very easy
46:36
Speaker 1: for me to believe that the process works. Yeah, of
46:39
Speaker 1: course I wouldn't think it. Cory go ahead, then no,
46:44
Speaker 1: you know, I was just gonna say, and I think
46:47
Speaker 1: Ashley's right, I definitely think it can work. Um. I've
46:50
Speaker 1: always said that when it comes to these these shows,
46:53
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work every time, and nobody should expect that,
46:56
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the beauty of it. Right. We're
46:57
Speaker 1: following a journey, we're following a story. We're not ending.
47:00
Speaker 1: It's not dating in a vacuum. You're not automatically gonna
47:02
Speaker 1: end up with somebody in the end. You know, I
47:04
Speaker 1: found love on The Bachelor. I did. I truly loved
47:08
Speaker 1: Lauren and um and and that won't change, right. That
47:11
Speaker 1: was a huge part of my life. Now I know
47:13
Speaker 1: what that feeling was like for me. Um, and I
47:16
Speaker 1: know that I've I've talked to people that have felt
47:18
Speaker 1: that same thing. Now for in my case, obviously Laura
47:21
Speaker 1: and I are no longer together, um, but it doesn't
47:23
Speaker 1: change the fact that I really love her and loved
47:26
Speaker 1: her and she really loved loved me, and and that's
47:29
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to exist from a television show. Um. Now,
47:34
Speaker 1: I want to clarify one thing, and I think this
47:36
Speaker 1: is a common you know, when I send up for
47:38
Speaker 1: The Bachelor at um, people were very judgmental to me,
47:42
Speaker 1: and my response was always this, I don't know what's
47:44
Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't even know if I'm going
47:46
Speaker 1: onto this show to find love. I'm going on to
47:48
Speaker 1: see what happens and stay open to the idea that
47:51
Speaker 1: love could exist within this process. Um. I think that
47:54
Speaker 1: is a very important way to look at it, especially
47:57
Speaker 1: for future contestants. Is not that Hey, I'm you know,
48:00
Speaker 1: I'm gonna definitely fall in love on this show, and
48:01
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work really hard to make sure I fall
48:03
Speaker 1: in love with on this show. That's not healthy, that's
48:05
Speaker 1: not okay, that's that's just abnormal. Um, this is going
48:09
Speaker 1: through the wrong reasons. Is such b s. It's like, no,
48:13
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go into it and say, hey, like
48:16
Speaker 1: I might like someone, I may have some really cool
48:18
Speaker 1: experiences and if I find my spouse along the way,
48:21
Speaker 1: then holy day, I'm that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, you know,
48:24
Speaker 1: if you're open to it, you can find love on
48:26
Speaker 1: this show. Um. But I mean, if we're honest with
48:29
Speaker 1: each other, right, you can find love anywhere. And and
48:31
Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing about love to me, is that
48:33
Speaker 1: it can exist anywhere, anytime, and you never know when
48:36
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's gonna pop up out of nowhere,
48:38
Speaker 1: or maybe it does happen on The Bachelor at Bachelor
48:42
Speaker 1: um franchise. And I just have to say one more
48:45
Speaker 1: thing that we're on the topic. I know, I hate
48:47
Speaker 1: to bring it back to Paradise, but there's been three
48:49
Speaker 1: seasons of Paradise, and from those three seasons, there have
48:52
Speaker 1: been two couples that are still together. And I think
48:56
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the process of Paradise is different. You're
48:58
Speaker 1: basically living with them for only five days, which is
49:01
Speaker 1: totally different from the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, in which
49:03
Speaker 1: you get I don't know, Ben, how long did you
49:05
Speaker 1: get with Lauren each week? Uh, you know that's tough,
49:08
Speaker 1: you know, most a couple. I mean, definitely it was
49:12
Speaker 1: in the hours. It matters of a week if it
49:14
Speaker 1: was a week on a one on one or a
49:16
Speaker 1: week in a group data. I think that's why it's
49:17
Speaker 1: so important when you watch the show to realize that,
49:20
Speaker 1: you know, one on ones are very very influential in
49:23
Speaker 1: the time and that you're putting into your relationship. And
49:26
Speaker 1: so you know, one on ones you're with somebody all day.
49:28
Speaker 1: Group dates you might be with him for a few
49:30
Speaker 1: hours and then you have a cocktail party. So it
49:32
Speaker 1: isn't an exordament around of time. It's it's actually pretty
49:36
Speaker 1: quick and and um, I guess you know. For me,
49:40
Speaker 1: I've always explained it as when I was on The Bachelor, Um,
49:43
Speaker 1: there was a moment in time where I just knew
49:46
Speaker 1: that Lauren was somebody special. Um, you know. And I
49:49
Speaker 1: think I've talked to other people like Sean who was
49:51
Speaker 1: with Caitlin, where you know, he just knew that, you know,
49:54
Speaker 1: Caitlin was somebody special. That that can happen in life too,
49:59
Speaker 1: write like mean, I hope that happens again for me.
50:01
Speaker 1: I hope at some point in my life I run
50:03
Speaker 1: across somebody that I just know within hours that this
50:07
Speaker 1: person is going to have an impact on my life. Yeah,
50:10
Speaker 1: I hope I can like someone off the show too.
50:13
Speaker 1: Can I just ask a separate question, UM, related to
50:15
Speaker 1: what you just said, then yeah, definitely. Okay, So I
50:19
Speaker 1: just wanted to know, is it hard for like go
50:22
Speaker 1: through the shell and go through the process if you've
50:24
Speaker 1: already kind of figured out who the one is, like
50:27
Speaker 1: if you knew that Lauren was the one, that's such
50:30
Speaker 1: a good question. Uh, yeah, yeah, and all. Honestly, it's
50:33
Speaker 1: very hard. I will tell you that up front. It is.
50:35
Speaker 1: It pulls at your heart, and that's probably why you
50:38
Speaker 1: start to see so many bachelor's or bachelorettes really start
50:41
Speaker 1: to get emotional at the end, because you feel like
50:44
Speaker 1: your heart is being pulled in one direction, but you
50:46
Speaker 1: you're committed to pulling it back to other relationships as well.
50:50
Speaker 1: And for me, that really started to pull on me
50:53
Speaker 1: because you want to give everybody an equal amount of
50:56
Speaker 1: attention and care and support. But but yeah, at the
51:00
Speaker 1: same time, you know that there's somebody there that you
51:02
Speaker 1: just can't see yourself without. UM. I think during that
51:07
Speaker 1: process though you have committed as the bachelor bachelor to
51:10
Speaker 1: stay open to the end. That is your commitment to
51:14
Speaker 1: to the women involved or the men, and also to
51:17
Speaker 1: to the show. And so you're keeping your heart open
51:20
Speaker 1: as hard as it is, and you're also and I
51:22
Speaker 1: and I everybody always says, well that just seems weird. Well, yes,
51:25
Speaker 1: it's weird. The show itself is odd. I'm not gonna
51:27
Speaker 1: ever say it's not. But it's, but it's it's it's
51:29
Speaker 1: also can be a great thing. The part you need
51:32
Speaker 1: to remember, too is I'm still getting to know each person.
51:35
Speaker 1: So as much as I might have felt about Lauren
51:37
Speaker 1: after week two, I still don't know a lot about her.
51:40
Speaker 1: And and we've seen it in this show many times,
51:43
Speaker 1: where you know, week eight, you know, right when it's
51:45
Speaker 1: getting down to the end, it's the final four, and
51:48
Speaker 1: the bachelor or bachelor all of a sudden finds out
51:50
Speaker 1: something about the person that they care so much about,
51:53
Speaker 1: and it changes everything. It changes the whole relationship, changes
51:57
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic. And in my mind, I didn't want
52:00
Speaker 1: to close myself off until the very end where I
52:04
Speaker 1: knew for certain that the person I thought Lauren was
52:08
Speaker 1: from week two, was the person that I was going
52:10
Speaker 1: to be asking to marry me at the end. Now, obviously,
52:12
Speaker 1: like you know that that isn't the case today. You know,
52:15
Speaker 1: she's still that person, but we aren't together today. But
52:19
Speaker 1: you know who I knew at week two with Lauren
52:21
Speaker 1: was is still the person I know today that that
52:23
Speaker 1: never changed? Yeah, then you're so perfect. Well, um, so
52:34
Speaker 1: you talk, well, you know what I think. I think
52:37
Speaker 1: it is important. You know, as a viewer, I you
52:40
Speaker 1: don't have the chance as a contestant to explain the
52:42
Speaker 1: situation always. You know, people jump to conclusions often and
52:45
Speaker 1: you get a lot of judgment for the show itself.
52:47
Speaker 1: But when the show is done well, when the experiences
52:51
Speaker 1: is participated in by somebody who really is open to
52:55
Speaker 1: the process, which is what you've committed to, um, which
52:58
Speaker 1: is what you've chosen in turn too, then these kind
53:01
Speaker 1: of things make more sense. That's why the show is
53:03
Speaker 1: so fun for me to watch. Now I know what
53:05
Speaker 1: Rachel's feeling. I know that she probably has a has
53:07
Speaker 1: a really big um crush on somebody or she feels
53:10
Speaker 1: like somebody's right for her. And what I'm interested in
53:12
Speaker 1: now is is that going to play out to the end.
53:15
Speaker 1: Is that gonna still last until the moment that we
53:17
Speaker 1: see them, you know a lot on the live show together,
53:20
Speaker 1: smiling and hopefully walking off off the stage to the
53:24
Speaker 1: real life world that they're going to be enterning into
53:27
Speaker 1: as partners. And girl, if you want to do the show,
53:31
Speaker 1: go and apply, because if you don't find the love
53:34
Speaker 1: of your life, it's a great growing experience. So serious,
53:36
Speaker 1: like my palm Award in high school was most likely
53:39
Speaker 1: to be the bachelorette that was, like you all know,
53:43
Speaker 1: so well, that's great. Well, Delane, thank you for calling
53:48
Speaker 1: from Canada. I need you to know that Ash and
53:50
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your questions and your call ins and
53:54
Speaker 1: just you reaching out to us and also listening to
53:57
Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast. We appreciate it. Well, thanks so
53:59
Speaker 1: much for having me guys by. So actually, outside of
54:07
Speaker 1: the Bachelor Ambassador, there's a lot going on in life
54:09
Speaker 1: right now, right There's there's some major stories that are
54:12
Speaker 1: that exist out there in in the pop culture realm
54:15
Speaker 1: that that we need to touch on. Um one we
54:18
Speaker 1: need to touch on because selfishly, I have a story
54:20
Speaker 1: for you that, um I don't know if I should
54:22
Speaker 1: be excited to share or not. Um, I don't even
54:25
Speaker 1: know it's good. You know it's good because because it's
54:29
Speaker 1: it's something that uh, I get made fun of a
54:31
Speaker 1: lot for or gets brought up a lot dancing. It's
54:35
Speaker 1: not wow, no, but now I know that how I
54:37
Speaker 1: should feel about my dancing. Um. So a discussion, UM,
54:44
Speaker 1: she said that the only time that I'm unattracted to
54:47
Speaker 1: Jared and that she's unattracted to you is when you're
54:50
Speaker 1: white boy dancing. I mean, if anything, I feel like
54:54
Speaker 1: that's when you should be attractive us most. Because Jared
54:57
Speaker 1: and I we got moved. Um. There's a story out there,
55:03
Speaker 1: UM from a former Playboy playmate named Danny Matthers. Danny
55:06
Speaker 1: Mathers UM took a picture in the locker room of
55:11
Speaker 1: a seven year old woman who was changing. Right. She
55:15
Speaker 1: snapchat of this picture, and she she had some quote
55:17
Speaker 1: with the picture like I can't un see this, Um,
55:20
Speaker 1: then you can't see it. She was trying to show
55:22
Speaker 1: it to the public. Right. Well, this happened in two
55:25
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, and it has caught a ton of press
55:29
Speaker 1: here recently because um, the suit that was filed against
55:33
Speaker 1: Danny UM is closing right so now, UM, Danny filed
55:37
Speaker 1: no contest to the misdemeanor account of invasion in privacy
55:41
Speaker 1: and now she will be sentenced to three years probation
55:43
Speaker 1: in thirty days of community service. So as I read
55:46
Speaker 1: this story, I first obviously UM felt uh compelled to
55:51
Speaker 1: really to get angry at Danny, right, But I read
55:54
Speaker 1: through UH an US Weekly article here UM that interviews Danny.
55:59
Speaker 1: She said that over the last year she's realized how
56:02
Speaker 1: um horrible her decision was and how um she's so
56:05
Speaker 1: sorry for for the picture that she took and for
56:08
Speaker 1: the the embarrassment that she caused this seven year old
56:11
Speaker 1: woman who was really um. As we both know, a
56:14
Speaker 1: locker room is a place of privacy, a place of
56:16
Speaker 1: what should be safety, a place where we can all shower, change,
56:20
Speaker 1: clean up for the day after a workout. UM, And
56:23
Speaker 1: Danny says she's she's really sorry about it. And so
56:26
Speaker 1: I can't sit here today. I'm not this this is
56:28
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to Judge Danny at all. You know,
56:31
Speaker 1: she has been punished, she has apologized. I believe that
56:36
Speaker 1: forgiveness has been given to her through this seven year
56:38
Speaker 1: old woman and as a public person who really doesn't
56:41
Speaker 1: matter at all in this. I forgive Danny as well,
56:43
Speaker 1: but this brings up my my most embarrassing gym story.
56:47
Speaker 1: You ready for it? Yeah? Okay, So I work out
56:51
Speaker 1: at lunch up here in Evergreen, Colorado at the Evergreen
56:54
Speaker 1: Rex Center. Okay, ever the Evergreen rec Centers is a
56:56
Speaker 1: beautiful Rex center in the mountains and as a beautiful
56:58
Speaker 1: facility that has beautiful, beautiful locker room with a with
57:01
Speaker 1: a sauna and shower and everything involved. Right, Well, so,
57:06
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be as honest
57:08
Speaker 1: as possible here. I'm not gonna hold anything back if
57:09
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear it from here on now,
57:10
Speaker 1: this is probably gonna be rated. Um, you know PG. Thirteen. Um,
57:14
Speaker 1: when you when you when you're in a lot, when
57:19
Speaker 1: you're in a locker room, okay, what are you doing?
57:21
Speaker 1: You're changing? Are you're showering? And so to change and shower,
57:24
Speaker 1: there's one step in there that includes you getting naked. Okay. Um. Now,
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Speaker 1: oftentimes when you're when you're in lock's it shouldn't be
57:33
Speaker 1: you know, awkward, it's it's weird, it feels weird. There's
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Speaker 1: a bunch of different people of all different ages of
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Speaker 1: all different all different places. Um. But unfortunately for me,
57:41
Speaker 1: this rec center is right next to my work, and
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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of people from my office that
57:45
Speaker 1: also participate in this in this rec center and also
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Speaker 1: change and shower to go back to work. So I
57:53
Speaker 1: usually work out with with one of my best friends
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Speaker 1: who I work with, who also is my boss. Well
57:58
Speaker 1: you know, him and I are the same hometown of Warsaw.
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Speaker 1: We we lift, we run whatever, and then we'll shower off,
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Speaker 1: get changed and come up here. Don't think twice about it. Well,
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Speaker 1: this one day, just a few months ago, just a
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Speaker 1: few months ago, Um, I am talking to my boss
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Speaker 1: and backing up. Okay, I want you to to picture here.
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Speaker 1: The locker room sits there, and and behind me is
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Speaker 1: a shower, right Okay, So I am talking to him
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Speaker 1: walking backwards to get into the shower. Well as I
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Speaker 1: turn around, um, and just I need to add a
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Speaker 1: point in here in the shower. When I was talking
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Speaker 1: about Buss. There's another man that I work with who
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Speaker 1: is an engineer for our company, who I don't know
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Speaker 1: very well, who's a very nice, quiet, young older man. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I don't talk to I say hi, I know him.
58:49
Speaker 1: But I don't know him personally at all, right, but
58:51
Speaker 1: I do work with him, Okay, I see him every day.
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Speaker 1: So as I'm backing up, I turn around to walk
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Speaker 1: into the shower, and just as I lift my head
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Speaker 1: up from turning around, this poor older man and I
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Speaker 1: collide front to front, making making making a sound like
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Speaker 1: if if you can you do me? If they right now? Actually,
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Speaker 1: can you just give me a light little clap into
59:15
Speaker 1: the mic? Oh, a little louder maybe, Yeah, you know
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Speaker 1: that that's the sound made for everybody in the locker
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Speaker 1: room and everyone back at the office. Yeah, here's my
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Speaker 1: point to the story. Here's I'm tying it back into
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Speaker 1: Danny Matthers. Everybody at the office had end up hearing
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Speaker 1: about this story where the locker room no longer became
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Speaker 1: a place of privacy and safety, but it became a
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Speaker 1: place to tell a story from. And so please, here's
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Speaker 1: our public service announcement today to everybody listening. Keep the
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