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Jim Bowden’s hopeful May trades · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: And I think if you're Aeronato, even though Detroit wasn't
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Speaker 1: a place she wanted to go to, you have to
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Speaker 1: look at the Tigers right now and understand this is
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Speaker 1: a playoff team.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, our resident GM is back for Front Office Unfiltered.
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Speaker 2: It is Jim Bowden, and I love having you on
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Speaker 2: on a daylight today because JB, I look forward to
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Speaker 2: these articles as much as anything. Trade season can never
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Speaker 2: come early enough, even if GM's and President of Baseball
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Speaker 2: Ops guys don't know it yet. So let's get this started, Okay,
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Speaker 2: on the Athletic this morning, it comes out. Five MLB trades, Yes,
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Speaker 2: a little music from AJ for me too. Five MLB
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Speaker 2: trades i'd like to see in May, including deals for
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Speaker 2: Ryan Helsley and Joe Ryan. So I would like to
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Speaker 2: start with Ryan Helsley. Where would you like to see
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Speaker 2: him go and what does the deal look like?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to see him go to the Philadelphia Phillies, Scottie. Look.
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Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski came on my series XM radio show a
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Speaker 1: week ago and said, look, his biggest need is a
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Speaker 1: right handed reliever to better balance the bullpen. The Jordan
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Speaker 1: Romano experiment hasn't worked great, and look, Helseley's an impact closer.
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Speaker 1: He's one of the best in baseball. Philadelphia has a
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Speaker 1: chance to win their division. They have a chance to
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Speaker 1: win the World Series if they get to the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: and that's an area that is their biggest weakness right
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Speaker 1: now is the bullpen. So what I'd like to do
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Speaker 1: is I'd like to see them trade one of their
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Speaker 1: top pitching prospects, Nick Abel, to the Saint Louis Cardinals
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Speaker 1: straight up for Ryan Helsley. Now, when you look at
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Speaker 1: the Phillies, look, their rotation is seven deep. Their best
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Speaker 1: pitching prospect is Andrew Painter. He's not getting traded, But
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Speaker 1: Mick Abel has kind of turned the corner this year.
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Speaker 1: Is command to control is finally arriving. That's usually the
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Speaker 1: last thing that does arrive for a power pitcher like Abel,
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Speaker 1: and for Saint Louis, it's building for the future. This
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Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of trade they need to make. Now.
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Speaker 1: If you're Dave Dombrowski, you might want to have a
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Speaker 1: window to try to sign Helsy at the time of
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Speaker 1: the deal, But this is the kind of concept to
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Speaker 1: me works right now for the rebuilding Cardinals. And for
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Speaker 1: the Phillies who have a chance to win.
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Speaker 3: What as a GM, I'm putting you in Dave Dombrowski's
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Speaker 3: shoes right now. You don't want to bid against other teams,
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Speaker 3: but you also don't want to bid against yourself. How
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Speaker 3: do you make sure that the price that you're paying
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Speaker 3: is not an overpay? Because you even said it in
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Speaker 3: your article, this is why gms don't want to make
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Speaker 3: these moves at this time because it costs more. So
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Speaker 3: how do you, like, how do you facilitate that yourself?
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Speaker 3: Or do you go into it and you say, you
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Speaker 3: know what, there's a price I'm paying And maybe I'm right,
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Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Eric, what you do before you start
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Speaker 1: any negotiation in terms of trades, you know how far
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Speaker 1: you're willing to go, and you kind of have a
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Speaker 1: pretty good idea when you're gonna walk away. And so
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Speaker 1: if I'm the Phillies, you know I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: into this thing. I'm not trading Andrew Payner, right, I'm
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Speaker 1: not trading Aiden Miller. I'm going to try not to
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Speaker 1: deal justin Crawford as well, and I'm going to see,
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Speaker 1: first of all, if i can make a deal for
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Speaker 1: Helsley by using my lower prospects, maybe the mid level,
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Speaker 1: maybe guys that are in the eight to twelve range.
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Speaker 1: See if that bites. But if they come back and
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Speaker 1: they ask for the millers, or they ask for the painters,
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Speaker 1: or they come in with like that, then I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: sit there and know how far I'll go at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day. I might not go to nick
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Speaker 1: Abel right away, but I'll continue the discussion. And if
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Speaker 1: I feel like when I entered the discussions that that's
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Speaker 1: as far as I would go and I would not
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Speaker 1: do more and that's it, then I would kind of
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Speaker 1: figure out when the timing is right to put my
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Speaker 1: best offer on the table. If it doesn't work, fine,
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Speaker 1: we'll work on the we'll work on trading for the
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Speaker 1: next closer.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: But that's basically how it works, Jim.
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Speaker 5: One of the interesting ones for me is the Orioles
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Speaker 5: with Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 6: You have them getting Jill Ryan from the Twins for
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Speaker 6: Kate Povich, Kobe Mayo and Michael Farrett. Now do just
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Speaker 6: fix the Orioles offensive problem against left handed pitching. It
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Speaker 6: helps their pitching staff obviously, but it doesn't help them
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Speaker 6: against left hit A pitching, So I get why you
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Speaker 6: would make this trade if you're the Twins, but they
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Speaker 6: still think.
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Speaker 5: They're in it, so I don't know.
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Speaker 6: This is one of those it's like, well, either team
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Speaker 6: be willing to do this, because it's almost if you're
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Speaker 6: the Twins, you're almost planning for next year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think the Oils are planning for next
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Speaker 1: year too, if you want my honest opinion here. I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns is in Arizona, Grayson Rodriguez is on the
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Speaker 1: injured list with a shoulder, Kyle Bradish is on the
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Speaker 1: injured list, Zach Efflin's on a rehab assignment. They're hoping
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Speaker 1: to get in back. Trevor Rodgers looks like he's never
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Speaker 1: going to bounce back. He's on the IL. Tyler Wells
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Speaker 1: is on the IL. Dean Kramer as an ERA close
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Speaker 1: to six and five. Kaye Povich has an ERA over
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Speaker 1: five after six starts, Kyle Gibson as a fourteen DRA
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Speaker 1: after two starts. Charlie Morton is a nine to seven
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Speaker 1: RA and is in the bullpen and probably should be released.
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Speaker 1: And so you've got Sigano and Elflin and that's it.
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Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere, and you do have this great
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Speaker 1: group of young position players, but you have to build
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Speaker 1: a starting rotation in Baltimore. So if I had to
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Speaker 1: sit there and I had an opportunity to go get
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Speaker 1: a Joe Ryan or a Pablo Lopez from Minnesota, that's
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Speaker 1: what I need to do, because if I'm gonna win
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Speaker 1: next year, I need to build the top of the
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Speaker 1: starting rotation. You didn't replace Burns. Rodriguez got hurt. To me.
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Speaker 1: That's the biggest hole. Now to your point, look, I
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Speaker 1: have a philosophical difference what the Orioles have been doing right.
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Speaker 1: I think they've kept their prospects too long. I don't
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Speaker 1: think they traded the prospects they were supposed to to
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Speaker 1: help the major league team win. I thought in the
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Speaker 1: offseason when they went out and got Tyler O'Neil and
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Speaker 1: Gary Sanchez and Ramon Loreano and try to get these
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Speaker 1: guys to help them against left hand and pitching, what
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Speaker 1: they did was they blocked their prospects. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to block them. I want to give them a runway,
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Speaker 1: a pathway, and develop them. The other thing I have
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Speaker 1: to look at is why do all my big league
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Speaker 1: young hitters, Why are they all underperforming. Why is Adley
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Speaker 1: Rutchman hitting two thirteen? And why does Jackson Holiday finally
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Speaker 1: get rid of the big leg kick and go to
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Speaker 1: a toe tap because he's watching Otani on TV? Where
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Speaker 1: am I getting people fixing this? So look, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at the Ools, and they've done a good job of drafting.
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Speaker 1: They've done a good job of gathering talent, but they
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Speaker 1: haven't done a real good job of GMing and building
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Speaker 1: a team that should be a postseason team by now.
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Speaker 1: They've got some work to do. So in this trade,
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Speaker 1: you trade Kobe Mayo. Yes, he's got twenty five home
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Speaker 1: run power, but he chases breaking balls out of the
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Speaker 1: strike zone. Kay Povic, I like him, but he's not
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. You might be developed into a mid rotation starter,
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Speaker 1: and I think Forrett would be a key to Minnesota
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Speaker 1: to kind of make it work for them. But again,
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Speaker 1: if I'm Baltimore, I'm obsessed with improving the top of
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Speaker 1: the rotation for this year and going forward.
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Speaker 5: Jim. There's a lot of heat on Brandon Hyde. We
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Speaker 5: discussed it last year.
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Speaker 6: Does firing a manager in the middle of the season
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Speaker 6: does it change anything? And what's the thought process from
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Speaker 6: a GM's standpoint of why would I make this change?
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Speaker 6: You know, Brandon Heide's been through the low times now
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Speaker 6: he's in the high times. He hasn't changed his message,
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Speaker 6: He hasn't changed, So why would I want to make
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Speaker 6: a change in the middle of the year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great question, and I'm gonna give you my answer.
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Speaker 1: My answer is the GM is I don't like firing
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Speaker 1: a manager mid season, but if I do, I always
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Speaker 1: have to take the position, is your team better do
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Speaker 1: better after you make it, or it's on you. It's
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Speaker 1: on you. If you make a change and you don't
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Speaker 1: start winning and the team doesn't go in a better direction,
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Speaker 1: then it's on the GM and it's not on the manager.
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Speaker 1: There are some times where a different voice is needed.
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Speaker 1: You know, I had a very mediocre team that you know,
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Speaker 1: was about a five hundred team and it was underperforming
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Speaker 1: under Ray Knight who was the manager at the time.
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Speaker 1: And Ray Knight had our clubhouse very intense. They were
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Speaker 1: very uptight. Pitchers were looking at him if they'd go
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Speaker 1: to and oh, they look in the dugout to see
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Speaker 1: what his reaction was gonna be like. And I didn't
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Speaker 1: have a contending team, but I sat there and said, look,
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Speaker 1: if I make a managerial change here, this team's gonna
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Speaker 1: do better. We're gonna be more competitive, We're gonna end
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Speaker 1: the year on a positive note. I brought in Jack
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Speaker 1: McKee and I fired Ray Knight, and our team played
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Speaker 1: over five hundred the rest of the way and it
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Speaker 1: made a difference. So again, I don't like in season changes,
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Speaker 1: but if you do it, it's got to make a difference.
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Speaker 1: Now when I look at Baltimore, look, look, I've been pociferous.
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Speaker 1: I've given you my opinion. Yeah, I would make a
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Speaker 1: managerial change. It's nothing against Brandon Hyde. You know, he's
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Speaker 1: taken them to the playoffs the last two years. I
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Speaker 1: respect him, but I don't like what I'm seeing. I
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Speaker 1: don't like the fact that my young players aren't developing
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Speaker 1: and getting better and living up to my expectations. And
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Speaker 1: sometimes it takes a different voice to be able to
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Speaker 1: make an impact. So you know, maybe Brandon Hyde loses
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Speaker 1: this job and he gets the next job and he
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Speaker 1: does better. Look at all the Hall of Fame managers
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Speaker 1: that got fired, right, Joe Torre, Jim Leland, Tony LaRussa.
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Speaker 1: They all lost jobs and they're Hall of Fame managers.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Cox same thing, he got fired, hall of famer.
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Speaker 1: It's sometimes you just need a different voice. I don't
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Speaker 1: like the direction of Baltimore, and I think change needs
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Speaker 1: to be to.
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Speaker 4: Jim.
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Speaker 3: If you had pitchers that were looking into the dugout
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Speaker 3: for a manager's reaction, I think you had some soft pitchers.
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Speaker 3: But that's not that's not to be discussed here or there.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about GM stuff. To me, your most slam
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Speaker 3: dunk trade is knowing air, not out of the Tigers,
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Speaker 3: because the Tigers made a huge run it Outspregman. But
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you swing for the fences and
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Speaker 3: hit one to the wall, it's still a miss. It's
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Speaker 3: still an out. To me, if they don't do this
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Speaker 3: to completely improve, to absolutely improve the third base position,
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Speaker 3: it would be two swings and misses in one season
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Speaker 3: at one position for the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric, I agree, And look, keep in mind, though
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Speaker 1: the Tigers offered Bregman the most years and the most
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Speaker 1: dollars and he went to Boston, and that's not their
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Speaker 1: fault in terms of aeronauto. Look, this is not easy
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Speaker 1: because his contract is atrocious, and so to make a
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Speaker 1: deal for Aeronato, it's how much can we get the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals d We know the rock he's already paying five
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Speaker 1: million each year, but how much more will say, look
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Speaker 1: was pay? That's the key. I think making a trade
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Speaker 1: for him as easy. Saint Louis would like to move
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Speaker 1: on from Aeronado. You know, let the young kid, Nolan
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Speaker 1: Gorman take over third base, see what he looks like
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Speaker 1: on an everyday basis. They're a rebuilding team, and I
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Speaker 1: think if you're Aeronado, even though Detroit wasn't a place
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Speaker 1: you wanted to go to, you have to look at
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Speaker 1: the Tigers right now and understand this is a playoff team.
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Speaker 1: This is a really good team. And he would make
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Speaker 1: a difference on this team defensively for sure. And you know,
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Speaker 1: when you look at the ballpark numbers, it's actually a
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Speaker 1: little bit different than you think. I mean, it does
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Speaker 1: work for pull right handed hitters down the line, and
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Speaker 1: they've got those good left hand hitters and Riley Green
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Speaker 1: and Kerry Carpenter. I think it'd be a great fit
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Speaker 1: for Nolan Aronado, so I think he would waive his
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Speaker 1: no trade. I think this is a deal that just
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Speaker 1: makes too much sense for both Saint Louis and Detroit.
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Speaker 2: JB. I'm gonna take us to the Rangers. That offense
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Speaker 2: has been abysmal and you have Luis Robert helping to
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Speaker 2: provide a spark. I don't go crazy over his numbers
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Speaker 2: because he is the most classic change of scenery guy
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Speaker 2: of all time right now. I mean he is an
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Speaker 2: absolute abyss. Do you feel the same way and do
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Speaker 2: you think this could make a big difference from them
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Speaker 2: as they just basically cut Leodi to bears.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, he needs to get out of Chicago. By
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Speaker 1: the way he has hit well is if you look
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Speaker 1: at the last two weeks, he's he's really turned it on.
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Speaker 1: And you know, a couple of years ago we saw
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Speaker 1: thirty eight homers and twenty steals, and we've seen we
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Speaker 1: see him make catches all the time over the wall,
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Speaker 1: bringing home runs back. I think he'd be energized if
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Speaker 1: he got to go to a different environment, a more
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Speaker 1: competitive spot. I would love to put his locker next
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Speaker 1: to Marcus Simeons. I think that'd be a really good,
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Speaker 1: good place. You know, I know, you know, he's one
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Speaker 1: of these lightning rods. Trade guys where teams a little
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Speaker 1: bit worried because he looks disinterested at times. We can't
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Speaker 1: really argue with, you know, the power and the speed,
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Speaker 1: can't really argue with the leather, the inconsistency we can
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Speaker 1: get up set with. At times he looks lacks of
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Speaker 1: days ago, which bothers GMS. But the talents there, and
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Speaker 1: when we look at all the position players are going
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Speaker 1: to be traded between now and the deadline, Lewis Robert's
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Speaker 1: going to be one of the top guys being dealt.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of places that he fits really well.
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Speaker 1: He fits in Seattle of lost Victor Roeblace with an injury.
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Speaker 1: I think he fits in Philadelphia because I think Schwarbur
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Speaker 1: and Harper, if you put him in between those two lockers,
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Speaker 1: I think they'd get the most out of them. I
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Speaker 1: think Cincinnati would be a really good fit. Kansas City
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Speaker 1: would be a good fit. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: spots where I think Lewis Robert works. But for the
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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers, Evan Carter was supposed to be the center fielder.
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Speaker 1: He hasn't had a breaking ball yet, he's had the
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Speaker 1: autoimmune injury, He's had some problems with the back, and
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Speaker 1: so that's been an issue. They just put Leota Taveres
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Speaker 1: on outright waivers. They've got Josh Smith playing center, who's
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Speaker 1: better in that utility role. So I just think there's
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Speaker 1: a really good fit in centerfield for the Texas Rangers.
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Speaker 1: And I think, you know their prospect, the cabinets pretty big,
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Speaker 1: and I think there's a pretty good fit there with
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Speaker 1: some guys that I think Chris Getz would like, like
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Speaker 1: left handed pitcher Cole Drake and outfielder Dylan Drelling would
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Speaker 1: be two guys that would fit well. So I think
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Speaker 1: that would be a good fit for Texas.
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Speaker 5: But it's so much up and down.
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Speaker 3: You don't know what you're gonna get with Luis Robert, Like,
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Speaker 3: as a GM, how are you how are you convincing
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Speaker 3: yourself that this is gonna go well? Because well, I
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Speaker 3: went out and got the best player that I possibly
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Speaker 3: could get. It's not my fault he didn't show up
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Speaker 3: for these three weeks when he first came in. Or
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Speaker 3: is that not something that you just look at what
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Speaker 3: the ceiling of it and you hope to not give
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Speaker 3: away too much to get that.
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Speaker 1: No, what I'm gonna do and I'll give you a
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Speaker 1: couple examples that you know I did in my career
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Speaker 1: in the mid nineties. I acquired catcher Benito Santiago and
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Speaker 1: shortstop Tony Fernandez and moved Fernandez the third base. But
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Speaker 1: you know, we had some concerns similar to Robert with
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Speaker 1: both of those guys. And then I went to Barry Larkin,
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Speaker 1: who was our team leader. Lenny Harris was another guy
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Speaker 1: that was a leader, and I kind of talked to
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Speaker 1: them and I said, look, if I bring these guys in,
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Speaker 1: can it work? Because you know, you know, bad Apple
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Speaker 1: can ruin the bunch, right, but if you get one
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Speaker 1: or two and you have the right lead player, leadership
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Speaker 1: can work if the players are buying in. So you know,
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Speaker 1: in Texas, I'm going to Marcus Simmy and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to Corey Seger and I'm saying, hey, you know, what
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Lewis Roberts. We think about bringing
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Speaker 1: them in. Here are some of the concerns that we have.
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Speaker 1: You know, what do you guys think Do you think
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Speaker 1: it would help? I mean, we've got a problem in
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Speaker 1: center field right now, we don't have one, So you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're getting. We might at a
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Speaker 1: home run with this trade. We might hit a single,
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Speaker 1: we might just strike out. But it seems like the
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Speaker 1: price I have to pay two top fifteen prospects that
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Speaker 1: are more in the ten to fifteen range maybe makes
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Speaker 1: sense here. If we can get the White Sox to
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Speaker 1: do it, and if Simeon and Seger are buying in
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Speaker 1: and they say go do it, then yeah, that probably
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Speaker 1: puts me over the top to make it.
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Speaker 2: Hi JB. There's two more things I want to hit.
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Speaker 2: One is I actually want to go back to the
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Speaker 2: Baltimore conversation. A lot of fans in our chat and
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Speaker 2: we like to react live here are pretty frustrated with
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Speaker 2: the way that the Oarls have made moves recently. You're
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Speaker 2: getting the classic, Hey, they hoarded prospects. I think that's
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Speaker 2: like the simple, a stick way to look at it.
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Speaker 2: But if we dive deeper into what went on here,
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Speaker 2: AJ and you were just in Baltimore, if you want
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Speaker 2: to chime into, I mean, we smashed the Orioles this
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Speaker 2: offseason and really last year around the trade deadline. I
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Speaker 2: know they got Efflin. I like that part, but the
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Speaker 2: rest of it, this was their window and I know
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Speaker 2: now there's been development problems on top of that, but
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Speaker 2: aj what are you seeing and are you like me
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Speaker 2: where I'm going? Hey, Michael Lias was really pretty solid
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Speaker 2: at taking the tanking and building it back up, but
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Speaker 2: then doesn't know how to finish the job.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it goes back to my question for this, Jim,
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Speaker 6: you know the manager. You know you mentioned you'd fire
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Speaker 6: the manager, but how much how much say so does
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Speaker 6: Jim Jim does does Brandon Hyde have and making the lineup?
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Speaker 6: Like we went in there and they can't hit left
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Speaker 6: these Jackson Holiday doesn't play. I know O'Neil and Westburg
16:47
Speaker 6: are out, but Jackson Holiday doesn't play right against lefties.
16:50
Speaker 6: They put this is a knock on Jorge Matteo, but
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Speaker 6: he plays. Why not let Jackson Holiday play every day
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Speaker 6: and see what he can do? What's going wrong with
16:57
Speaker 6: Adley Rutchman? You know where is this is a development issue.
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Speaker 6: But like Scott said, is this on Michaelias for not
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Speaker 6: knowing how to put the finishing product on it? Because
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Speaker 6: we can all hoard prospects, but at some point prospects
17:09
Speaker 6: got to become suspects and players in order to help
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Speaker 6: you get over the top and I look at that
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Speaker 6: the two big examples for teams, right, the Cubs and
17:16
Speaker 6: the Astros, they.
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Speaker 5: Went through reful rebuilds.
17:18
Speaker 6: What they do when they needed to, justin Verlander to
17:20
Speaker 6: the Astros, John Lackey, John Lester, right, those guys, they
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Speaker 6: went out and got the finishing pieces, and it seems
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Speaker 6: like Baltimore's trying to skip to the end without getting
17:31
Speaker 6: the pieces and doing the work they need to do. Now,
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Speaker 6: I could be way off. You're a GM, you know better,
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Speaker 6: But why is this all?
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Speaker 5: You know? Brandon Hyde, how much state does he have?
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Speaker 1: Why? Jay, you nailed it. I mean, honestly, one hundred percent,
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Speaker 1: you nailed it. And Michaelias did a really good job
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Speaker 1: when he was with Houston, you know, drafting Carlos Korea
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Speaker 1: and George Springer in that group. Right, he went to Baltimore,
17:51
Speaker 1: he did the same thing, but he's never proven that
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Speaker 1: he can do the GM job. So he brought in
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Speaker 1: great amateur talent. But since then, what have we seen?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 1: I did like the Corbyn Burns deal, you know, unfortunately
18:04
Speaker 1: they weren't able to extend them. They tried, but you know,
18:07
Speaker 1: we haven't seen enough aggressiveness on trying to win the
18:11
Speaker 1: other thing that you mentioned, AJ that has irritated me
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Speaker 1: the most. And look, when I have michae Elias on
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Speaker 1: my radio show, I tell them directly the same thing
18:19
Speaker 1: I'm saying here. I don't like their idea of platooning players.
18:23
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I want a pathway and a runway,
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Speaker 1: and I want players to develop. You know, when I
18:27
Speaker 1: was a young executive, you know, we would have guys
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Speaker 1: in development that would sit left handed hitters against left
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Speaker 1: handed pitching, and everybody around me kept saying, well, how
18:37
Speaker 1: are you ever going to develop a player to hit
18:39
Speaker 1: left handed pitching if they'd never face them? Since the
18:41
Speaker 1: same thing at the major league leobal. You know, you
18:43
Speaker 1: get to the big leagues and you're facing pitching you've
18:45
Speaker 1: never seen before, and you see it for nine innings,
18:48
Speaker 1: But how are you going to get better? You're only
18:49
Speaker 1: going to get better seeing these pitches, seeing the velocities,
18:52
Speaker 1: seeing the break of balls, seeing the lefties, the rightings,
18:54
Speaker 1: the different arm angles, the vertical break, the horizontal break.
18:57
Speaker 1: The more you see it, the better you get. So
18:59
Speaker 1: if you're a ball, what would be wrong with having Kowser,
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Speaker 1: Mwens and cursed out be in the outfield if you
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Speaker 1: believe in them, putting Mayo at first base, Holiday at
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Speaker 1: second base, you know, Gunner Henderson at Sure, at Westburg
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Speaker 1: at third, Rtchman beyond the plate, and say you're playing
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Speaker 1: every day. We're not going to go get these veteran
19:16
Speaker 1: older players to platoon, and we're gonna let it develop
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out how good you are. The
19:20
Speaker 1: Other thing you have to do when you're in the
19:22
Speaker 1: GMC is understand your prospects aren't as good as your
19:24
Speaker 1: own team rates them. And you've got to figure out
19:27
Speaker 1: who the stars are and who the guys will have
19:29
Speaker 1: been overhyped and trade them before they get exposed to
19:34
Speaker 1: go get the pieces that you were just talking about
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Speaker 1: AJ like John Wester, Bill Lack, etc.
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Speaker 3: All right, last one, Well, if you're the GM, current
19:43
Speaker 3: GM in a big league team and you find out
19:46
Speaker 3: that Major League Baseball hid the fact that they shrunk
19:51
Speaker 3: the zone a little bit, do you have any recourse?
19:53
Speaker 3: Do you have anything other than all right, well whatever,
19:56
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess it's just chalking up to nothing
19:59
Speaker 3: we can do about it.
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Speaker 1: No, you pick up the phone call, you call Commissioner
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Speaker 1: Rob Manford, and you say what's going on, like, how
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Speaker 1: do we make this change? My manager knows nothing about it,
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Speaker 1: our players know nothing about it. And then the response
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Speaker 1: we get back is well, yes, we communicated it. Wait
20:15
Speaker 1: wait a minute. This happens way too often. You might
20:19
Speaker 1: be communicating with some memo and some email that nobody sees.
20:23
Speaker 1: But if you're going to make a change at this level,
20:26
Speaker 1: we need transparency. We need to over communicate everything we
20:31
Speaker 1: do like this. Make sure Tony Clark in the players
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Speaker 1: Union knows it, and ask the players' Union to inform
20:37
Speaker 1: the players. You inform the players that ask Tony Clark
20:40
Speaker 1: if he'll inform the players. Then you have to make
20:42
Speaker 1: sure the gms and the managers are well aware of it,
20:45
Speaker 1: not based on some email or some passing comment. Look,
20:49
Speaker 1: when you're running an organization worth billions and billions of dollars,
20:54
Speaker 1: communication can't fall through the gap. It just can't happen.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, we were going nuts on Friday, and
21:03
Speaker 2: then to say, oh, it happened, No, it didn't happen.
21:06
Speaker 2: Because it's not even just players, it is team employees
21:08
Speaker 2: as in managers, some of the guys that have been
21:10
Speaker 2: around for a while, right, Dave Roberts, Mike Schilt Do
21:14
Speaker 2: we think they're making that up? JB? Do we think
21:16
Speaker 2: that they would sit in a meeting and they would
21:18
Speaker 2: hear that and they would just be like, Yeah, that's cool,
21:20
Speaker 2: let me just take another sip of my dream.
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Speaker 1: They never heard it, they'd never heard it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe that they haven't apologized or said something
21:28
Speaker 2: just as a blanket statement, which I think we all
21:30
Speaker 2: would have been okay with. Hey are bad, we messed
21:33
Speaker 2: up on the comms. We're human, there was a mistake.
21:36
Speaker 2: Let's let it go the fact that it's so stubborn
21:38
Speaker 2: that it's like, no, we said something. I'm like, come
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Speaker 2: on anyway, I'm with you there, uh JB. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for joining us.
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Speaker 5: Great checkout?
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Speaker 1: Oh got kiss your basic? Allo?
21:52
Speaker 5: Oh downgrading? Nice? You should try a rollback?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
21:56
Speaker 2: True? Next week we'll send some We'll send them. How
21:59
Speaker 2: about that, We'll send you some jab we got you.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you