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Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
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Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
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Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
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Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
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Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO cheriots to keep
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Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black,
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Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts, bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
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Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
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Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass. This
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Speaker 1: is at the ancestors told me that you would come
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Speaker 1: to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come. Dropping
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Speaker 1: Roping Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm Debbie Brown.
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Speaker 1: This is my podcast. It is a place where we
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Speaker 1: explore higher consciousness and really ground it, really ingor it
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Speaker 1: into the present moment so that we can live it,
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Speaker 1: embody it, use it to transform ourselves and others, and
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Speaker 1: ultimately live the highest vision of our lives. That is
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Speaker 1: my intention for myself, that has my intention for each
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Speaker 1: person that comes across this show. So today's episode, I
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Speaker 1: had a chance to record a really fun and interesting
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Speaker 1: episode of the Money Moves Podcast. Now. Money Moves Podcast
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Speaker 1: is an in depth podcast that is hosted by Tanya Sam,
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Speaker 1: a really gorgeous, dynamic, brilliant woman, and I had a
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Speaker 1: really great time being in conversation with her. The show
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Speaker 1: is dedicated to empowering black and brown communities to in
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Speaker 1: the wealth gap by providing financial planning tips, with guests
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Speaker 1: sharing their successes and how they balanced the money moves
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Speaker 1: behind their names and businesses so they're making money moves
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Speaker 1: to in the wealth gap. By highlighting the celebrities that
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Speaker 1: are making significant money moves and giving a platform to
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Speaker 1: experts in the financial literacy space and an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: break the myths holding all of our communities back. The host,
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Speaker 1: as I shared, her name, is Tanya Sam. She's so dope.
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Speaker 1: She's a tech savvy businesswoman. She's the director of Partnerships
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Speaker 1: at tech Square Labs, a technology startup, phub and venture
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Speaker 1: capital fund, and Tanya is passionate about creating pathways to
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Speaker 1: bring more women and minorities into business and technology. Yes,
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Speaker 1: so needed. So I did an episode of their podcast
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Speaker 1: that they're going to be premiering on their network in
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Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. But they gave me permission
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Speaker 1: to give you an advanced listen and share my episode
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Speaker 1: of Money Moves with Tanya sam Here on Dropping Gems.
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Speaker 1: So in this episode, we explore mindfulness, we explore some
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Speaker 1: money moves, um, and I give a little bit of
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Speaker 1: thought around building a business in this space and things
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Speaker 1: that you might want to consider if you're called to teach.
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Speaker 1: So that is this. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Hey,
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Speaker 1: money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily podcast
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Speaker 1: determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom of
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Speaker 1: financial stability, wealth and abundance. Welcome money Movers to the
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Speaker 1: Money Moves podcast powered by Greenwood. Our expert this week.
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Speaker 1: Serves as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and
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Speaker 1: is the voice of daily Meditations on the Chopra Wellness apps.
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Speaker 1: She is a well being educator and author, the founder
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Speaker 1: of Karma Bliss, and the founding board member of the
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Speaker 1: Mental Wealth Alliance, host of the Black Effect Network podcast
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Speaker 1: Dropping Gems. A seasoned broadcaster and a multimodality healing practitioner,
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Speaker 1: someone whose voice I have listened to many many times,
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Speaker 1: who is truly as beautiful on the outside as she
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Speaker 1: is on the inside. The incredible spiritual hitler, Debbie Brown,
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to our podcast. I'm so grateful to be
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Speaker 1: here with you. Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: I feel like already I am vibrating at a higher
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Speaker 1: level just having you grace our screen, and I'm so
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Speaker 1: excited to share you know, more about you and your
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Speaker 1: journey so that you can empower so many many, so
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Speaker 1: many of our listeners and audience to take their lives
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Speaker 1: to a higher level. M thank you so much, and
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Speaker 1: thank you for this gorgeous work that you're sharing with
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Speaker 1: the world. Like the impact that you're making is so
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Speaker 1: powerful and it's so needed. We need that financial routine,
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Speaker 1: we need that spiritual routing, that mental emotional healing, um
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Speaker 1: all holistically full circle. I was just gonna say, you know,
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Speaker 1: you were all about empowerment, inner peace and overall self love,
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Speaker 1: but the holistic aspect of looking at how we can
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Speaker 1: both you know, be a tuned to ourselves and at
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Speaker 1: the same time achieve success and wellness in our lives
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Speaker 1: so that we can truly live our fully authenticated lives.
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Speaker 1: So I'm an appreciative of this and you being here today.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to dive into Debbie, you know,
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Speaker 1: and what you just spoke to, like abundance and is
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Speaker 1: our birthright? Yes, And I think that we're just now collectively,
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Speaker 1: especially within black and brown communities, really able to embrace that.
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Speaker 1: For centuries, we've been on this path of forced resilience,
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Speaker 1: this idea that life is to be endured and not enjoyed.
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Speaker 1: And I think that we are at that big paradigm
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Speaker 1: shifting moment in human history right now where we're all
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Speaker 1: realizing that we are worthy of more. We are deserving
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Speaker 1: of more. It is our birthright to have ease, abundance
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Speaker 1: and grace flow into our lives, and we're looking to
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Speaker 1: really like share our gifts and powerful new ways and
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Speaker 1: you know, make a wage that creates generational freedom and
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Speaker 1: generational wealth. Yes, And that is so true, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting to even hear. I just did a
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Speaker 1: meditation this morning and I used that mantra all the time.
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Speaker 1: Abundance is my birthright. So I just hope that those
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Speaker 1: listening can really take that in and feel what feel
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Speaker 1: your the power of your words, and be able to
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Speaker 1: put it forth into their daily lives, because that's what
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Speaker 1: this podcast is about. Money Moves is about creating generational
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Speaker 1: wealth and abundance not only in our bank accounts, but
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Speaker 1: for our families, for our souls and spirituality. So Debbie, again,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. But I want to take us
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Speaker 1: back to you know how you sort of got started
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Speaker 1: on your journey, UM. You know, you you're working with
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Speaker 1: incredibly visionary grades like Deepak Chopra and you know, helping
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Speaker 1: so many different spirits all across this kind trade. Can
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Speaker 1: you tell us how you started in radio and entertainment, UM,
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Speaker 1: and then we'll sideway to where you are now. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thank you for that. You know, I think when I
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Speaker 1: think of my story in my life, it's just for me.
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Speaker 1: It's a representative of the way that God's whispers really
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Speaker 1: guide the path. How that kind of deeper inner knowing
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Speaker 1: that we can't even fathom or really see. You know,
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Speaker 1: the vertical of the long term view of UM has
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Speaker 1: always been available to us, and there's always been whispers
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Speaker 1: that have guided us. And so you know, I'm the
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Speaker 1: only child raised by a single parent, and by nature
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Speaker 1: of that that means I'm always inside my own head,
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Speaker 1: inside my own heart, investigating UM. And so I kind
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Speaker 1: of hit the perfect path because I've always been a seeker.
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Speaker 1: I've always been deeply curious about the world and deeply
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Speaker 1: curious about myself. So when I birth, when I started
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Speaker 1: my professional working life, I started in broadcasting. And so
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Speaker 1: when I went to college, I thought, I either want
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Speaker 1: to be two things. I want to be a psychologist
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Speaker 1: or I want to be a news anchor. Kind of
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Speaker 1: two opposite ends of the spectrum. But I kind of
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Speaker 1: feel like I've done both. That actually makes perfect sense somehow, right,
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Speaker 1: I was, like, so, actually I knew what I was
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Speaker 1: doing a rating UM. But I started my path in
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Speaker 1: broadcasting and really an underground hip hop in l A specifically,
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Speaker 1: it was an era of time where we were the
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Speaker 1: underdogs and wrap in the music. And I was on
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Speaker 1: the radio at that time and working with like a
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Speaker 1: lot of the young emerging wrap talent of Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: that has since gone on to take a huge space
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Speaker 1: in the world. And you know, when I was in radio,
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Speaker 1: what I fell in love with about radio was the
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Speaker 1: ability to connect. I think overwhelmingly. Aside from like the
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Speaker 1: celebrity or music industry perks or you know, interview opportunities
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Speaker 1: that came with it, it was the day to day
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Speaker 1: talking to my listeners, hearing from people from all over,
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Speaker 1: the demographic of Los Angeles and what mattered to them,
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Speaker 1: what interested them, what made them feel seen and heard,
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Speaker 1: and so through that I was I was working in radio,
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Speaker 1: but then I was also working in the community and
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Speaker 1: taking on different projects, and I was the Community Action
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Speaker 1: Director and so many different things, um. And you know,
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Speaker 1: while I was in that, it really unlocked in me
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Speaker 1: this desire to create a space to be a soft
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Speaker 1: place to land for, you know, to to allow them
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Speaker 1: to feel seen, to feel heard, to to feel experienced,
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Speaker 1: you know. And that was the thing that really guided
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Speaker 1: me through close to a fifteen year career of working
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Speaker 1: in entertainment. I also had a chance to work in
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Speaker 1: TV and do a bunch of fun, amazing things, um
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Speaker 1: But at a certain point I needed more, you know,
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Speaker 1: at a certain point. The way that especially that culture
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Speaker 1: of entertainment was set up when I was working in it,
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Speaker 1: it was all about judgment. Everything was rooted in coming
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Speaker 1: up with this really fast opinion even if he didn't
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Speaker 1: know what you were given an opinion on, you had
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Speaker 1: to come up with something, and you had to be
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Speaker 1: in judgment. You were constantly telling like the intricate workings
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Speaker 1: of someone else's life from an outside perspective, and I
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Speaker 1: got to a point where I couldn't stomach it. It
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Speaker 1: just wasn't an alignment with how I wanted to think,
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Speaker 1: how I wanted to feel, or how I wanted to
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Speaker 1: share myself in the constraints that I had, and so
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Speaker 1: mix in with that, I was like one of the
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Speaker 1: youngest executives at the time. Um, I was a music director.
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Speaker 1: I was really young. I was like the only woman
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Speaker 1: doing that, and by nature of that, I got burned out,
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Speaker 1: and by nature of like some of the excess that
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Speaker 1: was around, I got burnt out at a really young thing.
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Speaker 1: And did you recognize it as burnout? Like because now
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Speaker 1: you know you're on this very spiritual and holistic path, right,
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Speaker 1: did you recognize it then as burnout? And were you
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Speaker 1: as at tuned as you are now or was as
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Speaker 1: this sort of in the evolution of your journey? So
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Speaker 1: I'm definitely evolved. Um, but I think in many ways, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this has always been my path. I didn't always have
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Speaker 1: the language for it. I didn't always know how to
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Speaker 1: share it. But it has always been my path. Um.
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Speaker 1: I was a kid who I was in middle school
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Speaker 1: with the self help book, you know, like I, I've
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Speaker 1: always been fascinated by transformation, fascinated by the human spirit
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Speaker 1: and human emotion, and so I did always resonate with this,
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Speaker 1: and I was always in some degree studying ways to grow,
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Speaker 1: to enhance myself, to become more of me um. But
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Speaker 1: you know, when I when I was having the burned out,
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Speaker 1: I didn't quite know that it was like my existential
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Speaker 1: crisis time. I didn't know that it was like me
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Speaker 1: figuring out a whole new way of living. But I
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Speaker 1: knew that I couldn't continue as I was. I didn't
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Speaker 1: have all the wise of why I couldn't. I definitely
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Speaker 1: didn't have the next step in mind. But I knew
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Speaker 1: something had to shift, and that I was being called
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Speaker 1: to powerfully shift, and that if I didn't, that whisper
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Speaker 1: from God would have turned into like catching a fade
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Speaker 1: from God, and I was not available for that. I
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Speaker 1: did not want to argue with God. I didn't want
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Speaker 1: to fight. I wanted to surrender and so that led
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Speaker 1: me to my very first meditation retreat almost ten years
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Speaker 1: ago with deepak Um at one of his locations, and
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Speaker 1: that's where I learned to meditate. And everything about my
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Speaker 1: life changed after I learned to meditate, and I knew
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Speaker 1: that I was called to help people heal and to
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Speaker 1: help people to understand themselves more deeply. So eventually that
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Speaker 1: led me to become certified in this work. I have
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Speaker 1: multiple certifications and so many different areas of healing and
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Speaker 1: deep in my own practice. I started my own business
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Speaker 1: and now my full circle. I am back with Deepac
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Speaker 1: at Choper Global. Um in deep gratitude of being able
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Speaker 1: to share this powerful work with the world. Absolutely um.
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Speaker 1: I will say, you know, we've all just come out
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Speaker 1: of this world in global pandemic, where we've all been
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Speaker 1: shut down, locked in, facing so much uncertainty. And this
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Speaker 1: was actually the first time I learned to meditate. I
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Speaker 1: hadn't really meditated before the pandemic, and I was exposed
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Speaker 1: to it through just different apps, and I am so
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Speaker 1: grateful for it. I have probably put in thousands of
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Speaker 1: hours now, um, and it's become such an integral part
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Speaker 1: of my life and I'm just so grateful for it,
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Speaker 1: And I'm also so grateful for what you are doing
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Speaker 1: with DEEPOC, exposing especially black and brown communities to being
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Speaker 1: able to have this tool that I think is truly
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Speaker 1: life changing. And you know, as our in our community
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Speaker 1: in particular, we carry a lot of this with us,
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Speaker 1: and just to be able to have the tools and
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Speaker 1: expose so many more hearts to this is just like
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Speaker 1: really truly prolific work. Oh my god, thank you for
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Speaker 1: saying that, And I'm so happy that you're meditating. It
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Speaker 1: is the greatest gift. It is the biggest misconception is
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Speaker 1: that it's hard or it's expensive. Can you tell us
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Speaker 1: a little bit more about your work as topra's Chief
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Speaker 1: Impact Officer, And you know, I I love that this
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Speaker 1: is a full circle moment for you. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. And I think that that in deepox
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Speaker 1: works so incredibly and powerfully speaks to divine flow, to
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Speaker 1: receptive energy, to the synchronicities in our lives and the
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Speaker 1: greater stories being told. So when I look back at
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Speaker 1: my path of purpose, I'm just like, you know, it
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Speaker 1: may not make sense from now outside looking in, but
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Speaker 1: it actually makes perfect divine sense for me, I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's where that dot connected, That's where that twist happened. Um.
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Speaker 1: But my work with Choper Global is so so important
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Speaker 1: to me, and what it's really rooted in is giving
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Speaker 1: access to all to this healing work UM, specifically communities
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Speaker 1: of color. So often I think that sometimes by way
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Speaker 1: of programming, sometimes just by lack of knowing m lack
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Speaker 1: of organic kind of seed planting of this work. These
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Speaker 1: rooms are often very very white and very specific demographics.
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Speaker 1: And you know, when I first came into this space
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Speaker 1: as someone that was looking to heal, It's like, why
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Speaker 1: am I the only person that looks like me in
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Speaker 1: these rooms that can't just speak because of price point?
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Speaker 1: You know, what are the other barriers to healing that
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Speaker 1: we have up that need to be disarmed? And I'm
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Speaker 1: a believer that communities of color deeply need and deserve
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Speaker 1: this work at every level. Like we're not just working
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Speaker 1: through the curriculum of spirit that we came to this
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Speaker 1: earth with. We're also working through major ancestral healing, major
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Speaker 1: intergenerational trauma, you know, and very often we don't naturally
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Speaker 1: find this work because either our families of origin or
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Speaker 1: systems of belief keep us looking at healing in one
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Speaker 1: specific way, or keep us looking at God in one
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Speaker 1: very specific way. Um. And also because sometimes we just
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Speaker 1: don't always know that this is happening and available for us,
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Speaker 1: especially if you don't live where I live in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: I don't live in New York or those coastal cities
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Speaker 1: that have more access, you know. And so meditation, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think is so it seems so mysterious to people.
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Speaker 1: But it's sitting still and being quiet, that's it, which
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Speaker 1: is exactly and that is that is sort of the
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Speaker 1: beauty of it. Um. That I that I've learned to
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Speaker 1: love about it because society makes us be like go,
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Speaker 1: go go. And you know, I think something you said
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Speaker 1: was super interesting because on money moves, we want to
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Speaker 1: dispel a lot of the misconceptions that may may or
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Speaker 1: may not have been handed down to us through previous generations, etcetera.
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Speaker 1: And I think that this is exactly one of them.
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Speaker 1: Being able to be open and vulnerable about where you
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Speaker 1: are with yourself, with your traumas. I mean, you even
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Speaker 1: spoke to you know, as people of color, like the
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Speaker 1: genetic imprinting that we perhaps don't even know has been
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Speaker 1: passed on. So being able to break those myths and
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Speaker 1: talk about it openly, I think is also the key
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Speaker 1: to just not only creating generational wealth, but generational freedom. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think so often what's also kept
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Speaker 1: so many from the work it's just not even believing
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Speaker 1: that you deserve it and not knowing why you don't
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Speaker 1: think you deserve it, you know, And so then you
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Speaker 1: just are wrestling with this inner chaos, in this inner shame.
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Speaker 1: And the deeper truth is that we've arrived at really
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Speaker 1: the first moment in human history where there is ease
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Speaker 1: to access this work, where we can look at all
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Speaker 1: of the structures at place, all of the compounded complex
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Speaker 1: stress and post traumatic stress that has been placed on us,
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Speaker 1: and we can know that, hey, we didn't get this
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Speaker 1: work sooner. My parents, my grandparents, my great grandparents, didn't
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Speaker 1: get this work sooner because of structural oppression, because of
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Speaker 1: systemic racism, because of all the things that have kept
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Speaker 1: everyone bound throughout human history. You know. But now that
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Speaker 1: we've arrived at this point where we can speak our truth,
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Speaker 1: where we can move away from this path of forced resilience,
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Speaker 1: where we can focus on self and allow ourselves to feel,
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Speaker 1: and it's safe to feel. It's a perfect opportunity to
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Speaker 1: really dive into and savor this work of self. It
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Speaker 1: is and I love that. And I think you know
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Speaker 1: something else you said, it's just sometimes we believe we
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Speaker 1: don't deserve it. And I think the same comes from
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Speaker 1: like our dream you know, we're we're like folks are
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Speaker 1: scared to dream, Like, well, I can have what this
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Speaker 1: person has, I can have with this person. And it's
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Speaker 1: it's about cultivating that mindset and that intention and just
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Speaker 1: believing that your dreams are your reality. And I think
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Speaker 1: the meditation is the perfect way, um to achieve some
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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, likewise, it's meditation is delicious, Like that's
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Speaker 1: how I view it. I love that it's really challenging
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Speaker 1: at first, but it's only because we're not used to
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Speaker 1: being with ourselves. So as soon as we can disarm
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Speaker 1: that and just say, this feels uncomfortable because it's new,
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Speaker 1: not because it's wrong, not because I can't do it.
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Speaker 1: There is no perfect it's just new, um. And then
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Speaker 1: the to me, the greatest gift of meditation is it
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Speaker 1: really teaches you the deepest truth of who you are.
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Speaker 1: It cultivates in need this natural gratitude. It creates space inside,
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Speaker 1: more space for you. You kind of unpack and pull
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Speaker 1: out so much of your story that doesn't serve you
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Speaker 1: so many ways that maybe pain has been cume your
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Speaker 1: identity and you're able to kind of get to the
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Speaker 1: best parts of who you are. This is so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: And what's so beautiful is like you have now taken
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Speaker 1: something that you deeply passionately love and been able to
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Speaker 1: create a business around it, support yourself and like everything
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Speaker 1: feels so perfectly aligned. Can you talk about like the
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Speaker 1: business aspect of what you're doing and how you're able to,
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Speaker 1: you know, take something that you're super passionate about but
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Speaker 1: also make a living because I think that's so important
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Speaker 1: for people to realize that you can make your passions
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Speaker 1: into your livelihood. You can absolutely make all of your
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Speaker 1: passions into your livelihood, but you also have to move
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Speaker 1: it past passion and you have to educate yourself. That's
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Speaker 1: something I want to make really clear, because in this
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Speaker 1: space of wellness, it's not just about positivity. It's not
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Speaker 1: just oh I believe it being positive and let's sit
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Speaker 1: down and be still and now pay me your money
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Speaker 1: to tell me that you know. Thank you for saying that. Yeah,
19:55
Speaker 1: I think it's important, you know, because in this day
19:57
Speaker 1: and age, for so many it is is about fast money,
20:01
Speaker 1: and it is about Okay, I'm trying to hit this lick.
20:04
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get this bag because right now wellness
20:07
Speaker 1: is on trend or X, Y and Z is on trend,
20:10
Speaker 1: and so let me step into this space. Um and
20:13
Speaker 1: for me, it's about my own healing. It's about deeper legacy.
20:17
Speaker 1: It is how will this show up in the world.
20:19
Speaker 1: And so I think if you are passionate about something
20:21
Speaker 1: and you want to turn it into a business, have
20:24
Speaker 1: reverence for the calling on your life, have revents for
20:27
Speaker 1: your gifts, and invest in yourself real tools that will
20:32
Speaker 1: make whatever you dive into more than like getting the
20:35
Speaker 1: bag or hitting the lick, and turn it into lifelong
20:38
Speaker 1: legacy that you can then use as a springboard into
20:41
Speaker 1: new passions and new areas. You know, I'm a positive person, yes,
20:45
Speaker 1: but I'm not selling positivity. I believe in deep, deep
20:48
Speaker 1: shadow work. I have been you know, I have probably
20:52
Speaker 1: spent the equivalent of an Ivy League education on my
20:55
Speaker 1: own education over the last ten years, on my training
20:58
Speaker 1: and trauma, my training and somatic heally, my training and
21:01
Speaker 1: energy work, my training in psychology, and so I recognized
21:05
Speaker 1: that this was my calling. It was something that I
21:08
Speaker 1: was intuitively and naturally good at, and I had cultivated
21:12
Speaker 1: a really vast gift of communication to share it through
21:16
Speaker 1: my previous career. But it's through all the deeper work
21:20
Speaker 1: and through all of the investment of myself and actually
21:23
Speaker 1: creating like the systems and creating the way for this
21:26
Speaker 1: to be my life's work, you know. So I do
21:30
Speaker 1: believe follow your passion because your purposes in your passion,
21:33
Speaker 1: but go deeper than just using it to make money
21:37
Speaker 1: and see how it can actually be reflective of the
21:40
Speaker 1: larger story of your life. Being told, Drop, I was
21:51
Speaker 1: super excited and incredibly inspired by your partnership with Alicia Keys,
21:56
Speaker 1: with Choprah and the twenty one day um Meditation retreat.
22:00
Speaker 1: If if if I'm saying that serious, how that came about,
22:04
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're rolling it as bringing in other
22:07
Speaker 1: women of color um onto his platform as well. Oh
22:11
Speaker 1: so beautiful And as much as I wish I could
22:14
Speaker 1: take credit for that, Deepak and Alicia actually beautifully old
22:17
Speaker 1: friends that and she has been so steeped in this
22:20
Speaker 1: work for so long. UM, but it was it was
22:23
Speaker 1: really wonderful. I felt like it was like such a
22:25
Speaker 1: merger of my justest of having interviewed her and entertainment
22:29
Speaker 1: and really loved the music for so long, and then
22:31
Speaker 1: now with this beautiful programming. So the program that we
22:34
Speaker 1: did with Deepak and Alicia was called the Divine Feminine
22:37
Speaker 1: Pathway to Wholeness, and so you know, what we really
22:41
Speaker 1: linked into was the power of sacred femininity, the power
22:45
Speaker 1: of the kind of tender warrior um, the strength, the
22:49
Speaker 1: power and the grace of women. And there was a
22:51
Speaker 1: gorgeous twenty one day meditation series that they each voiced
22:55
Speaker 1: UM in service to their individual lenses of how to
22:58
Speaker 1: kind of cultivate that archetypal energy within ourselves. And it
23:02
Speaker 1: was millions of people around the world joined us for it,
23:05
Speaker 1: and it was so powerful and people can still do
23:08
Speaker 1: it too. It's on our app so if you download
23:10
Speaker 1: the choper appids right and there. Um. Yeah, it was
23:13
Speaker 1: so powerful and I loved working on that with both
23:16
Speaker 1: of them, and Alicia is so deeply authentic and so
23:19
Speaker 1: deeply committed to bringing this work into a greater audience. UM.
23:24
Speaker 1: Into sharing her gifts. I love it. I'm I'm serious.
23:27
Speaker 1: It's so funny because your voice is so malipulous and
23:31
Speaker 1: nice to listen to. So I'm listening to you and
23:33
Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, so I gotta like, I gotta wake
23:38
Speaker 1: up here. No, I'm just joking, but it is. It
23:40
Speaker 1: is so lovely to listen to. So, Okay, now you've
23:43
Speaker 1: left radio, you're back doing this spiritual work. Um, can
23:48
Speaker 1: we talk about your podcast now that you have Dropping Gems,
23:51
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is just more of you doing
23:54
Speaker 1: the work and what made you decide to sort of
23:56
Speaker 1: be a creator in that space? Yeah, so my podcast
24:00
Speaker 1: Dropping Gim's. I mean, you know, I did work in
24:03
Speaker 1: radio for over a decade, and so my natural kind
24:06
Speaker 1: of where I find my ease is in communicating. And
24:09
Speaker 1: I was having such beautifully expansive conversations with so many
24:13
Speaker 1: friends in both the hip hop community but also within
24:16
Speaker 1: the spiritual communities. And I'm like, I need a press
24:18
Speaker 1: record of news and share them. Um, And so I
24:20
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger on it about I started my podcast
24:24
Speaker 1: I Want to Stay two years ago. We're now gratefully
24:26
Speaker 1: with my Heart Media and the Black Effect Network from
24:29
Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God, and the show is really centered on
24:32
Speaker 1: making higher consciousness tangible, and I use a lot of
24:36
Speaker 1: my life as the case study for that. I really
24:38
Speaker 1: study myself and study my process. I'm really always in
24:43
Speaker 1: study of deeper spiritual work, and I kind of I
24:46
Speaker 1: apply it and then I share how I experienced it,
24:49
Speaker 1: and I invite other people in for the conversation. And
24:51
Speaker 1: so we've had some really powerful guests. We've had some
24:54
Speaker 1: really interesting stories, UM, and I love to demystify things
24:58
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe everyone as an open to, but
25:01
Speaker 1: it has been a part of my life, like you know,
25:03
Speaker 1: having your birth chart done and using that as a
25:05
Speaker 1: useful spiritual tool. I recently just did my human design chart. Actually, yeah,
25:10
Speaker 1: I had an incredible, incredible solicitor human design on my
25:13
Speaker 1: show recently. Um. We we've had different spiritual teachers, acupuncturists, UM,
25:21
Speaker 1: sexual healers, people that work with blue healing. Just really
25:25
Speaker 1: really expansive all the ways in which you can heal.
25:27
Speaker 1: I I feature on my show, so you know, even
25:30
Speaker 1: talking to you make it all seem so easy and
25:33
Speaker 1: like you've just sort of come to this place. UM
25:36
Speaker 1: along this like downhill, you know, water pathway can you
25:40
Speaker 1: talk about some of the like key obstacles that you've
25:44
Speaker 1: faced in the past couple of years to get to
25:46
Speaker 1: where you are now. I don't want people to even
25:48
Speaker 1: think that it's always beds of roses um. Well, so
25:52
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing, it's always it is always
25:55
Speaker 1: actually easy, because it's always about switching the lens of perception.
25:59
Speaker 1: Like easy does not mean puppies and rainbows, you know,
26:02
Speaker 1: easy does not mean I'm positive all the time, right,
26:05
Speaker 1: Deep spiritual work, healing work is about also greeting your shadows.
26:10
Speaker 1: So it's not easy in the sense that I just
26:12
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like, oh, love and light. So
26:15
Speaker 1: it's like I'm also sometimes in in tears for hours,
26:19
Speaker 1: and I'm greeting past versions of myself. I'm moving myself
26:23
Speaker 1: through grief in meditation, I'm allowing myself to feel. Spiritual
26:28
Speaker 1: growth is rooted and allowing yourself to feel and transcending
26:32
Speaker 1: those feelings and dissolving any barriers that we have up
26:36
Speaker 1: against receiving our own love. And so it's a it's
26:41
Speaker 1: a work of the crevices. It's about getting into the darker,
26:44
Speaker 1: deeper parts. That's the work of spirit. But it doesn't
26:47
Speaker 1: have to be cloaked in fear, and it doesn't have
26:50
Speaker 1: to be cloaked in difficulty. It is something where I
26:53
Speaker 1: can wake up and say, Wow, I'm feeling really heavy today,
26:57
Speaker 1: I'm feeling kind of down today. Okay, let me go
26:59
Speaker 1: sit down, let me see where that is. What wants
27:02
Speaker 1: to come out, what wants to be known to me?
27:04
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to heal in this moment. It's
27:07
Speaker 1: more about the work of diligence. I love that, and
27:12
Speaker 1: I'm this is just such a word and such a
27:14
Speaker 1: message for so many because I think just hearing it
27:17
Speaker 1: and planting those seeds UM helps people prepare them for
27:21
Speaker 1: like how they can best heal self. Debby, I love
27:25
Speaker 1: that you've come to this UM and approach this, give
27:27
Speaker 1: this work, which is a gift to so many, not
27:30
Speaker 1: only as a way to form legacy, but also as
27:32
Speaker 1: a business. Can you talk about how you've come to
27:35
Speaker 1: understand your worth in this and how you price this
27:38
Speaker 1: out for so many other wellness healers or spiritual leaders
27:43
Speaker 1: in this industry. Yeah, thank you for this question. You know,
27:46
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I encounter when I
27:49
Speaker 1: speak with people that are looking to specifically work in
27:51
Speaker 1: wellness as their life's worker, as a path. Usually in
27:55
Speaker 1: the beginning of it, there's the sphere of charging this
27:58
Speaker 1: fear of turning it into is something that you monetize,
28:01
Speaker 1: turning into a business. What I found is that really
28:04
Speaker 1: the deeper layer of that is also spiritual opportunity to
28:08
Speaker 1: do shadow work. You know, a lot of it, especially
28:10
Speaker 1: for women in this space, is rooted in this idea
28:13
Speaker 1: of being a martyr, this idea that has been modeled
28:16
Speaker 1: for us and thrust upon our sutriarchy, that everything you
28:20
Speaker 1: do that is in service to others or that is
28:22
Speaker 1: for healing, it's just you depleting yourself. But then no, no, no,
28:27
Speaker 1: that's right. No, don't worry about me, you know, And
28:29
Speaker 1: I rebuke all of that, like it's about a core
28:32
Speaker 1: tenet of spirituality is about energetic exchange. There should always
28:37
Speaker 1: be benefit from both parties when doing business. And it's
28:40
Speaker 1: not selfish and it's not wrong. It's a tenant of spirituality.
28:44
Speaker 1: What is the balance, what is the receptive flow, the
28:47
Speaker 1: giving and receiving. It has to happen in tandem. And
28:50
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, for any any of that
28:52
Speaker 1: are watching this and maybe connecting to this work, and
28:54
Speaker 1: struggling with prosperity. You want to price yourself fairly in
29:01
Speaker 1: whatever that means to you write, But you also have
29:04
Speaker 1: to know that you deserve abundance, that you are worthy,
29:08
Speaker 1: that the work you've cultivated and the way you serve
29:10
Speaker 1: and help other people is absolutely worth something. And you
29:14
Speaker 1: deserve to have a life of softness, a life of ease,
29:17
Speaker 1: and a life of abundance as well as you help others,
29:20
Speaker 1: you know. And so when I think of my own work,
29:23
Speaker 1: like I do work at various price points. Like I
29:25
Speaker 1: work in wellness at an executive level, I also work
29:28
Speaker 1: on a talent level, and I also sometimes do more
29:31
Speaker 1: intimate exchanges. And so you know, the way that I
29:35
Speaker 1: occupy space. The biggest, the biggest piece that's important to
29:38
Speaker 1: me in any work that I do is that there's
29:41
Speaker 1: a debility inability to democratize it for all that need it.
29:45
Speaker 1: And so I might do that in a couple of
29:47
Speaker 1: different ways. If I know that I am, you know,
29:50
Speaker 1: contracted to speak at an event or lead a retreat,
29:53
Speaker 1: and that retreat may cost between five thousand and ten
29:57
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to attend, I also try to make whatever
30:00
Speaker 1: I know that I'm teaching their more accessible to people
30:04
Speaker 1: wherever they are, so that they can do this work
30:07
Speaker 1: from home, so that they can do this work for friends.
30:09
Speaker 1: So I try to offer and create my teaching at
30:12
Speaker 1: different levels, so an advanced case might be here, but
30:15
Speaker 1: then I also will find a way to teach similar
30:19
Speaker 1: themes at maybe a thirty dollar webinar or a price point.
30:22
Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that I'm meeting everyone
30:25
Speaker 1: where they're at, but I am also available to maximize
30:28
Speaker 1: my energetic potential um in each moment. Absolutely, and even
30:32
Speaker 1: I mean as simple things as your podcast, it's still
30:35
Speaker 1: a gift. There's still learning there, there's still ways that
30:37
Speaker 1: you can reach and reach such other people as well.
30:40
Speaker 1: And I completely understand this in um I started my
30:43
Speaker 1: career as a nurse, so I completely understand the idea
30:47
Speaker 1: for especially for women in this that we're just supposed
30:49
Speaker 1: to give endlessly and care for others, you know, at
30:52
Speaker 1: whatever price points. So I appreciate you, you know, speaking
30:55
Speaker 1: on that for so many because I think it's it's
30:57
Speaker 1: a struggle for people to understand is it hey to
31:01
Speaker 1: charge for this or add value to something that should
31:04
Speaker 1: really you know that it is such a gift. Yeah,
31:07
Speaker 1: and I think really research to you know, find the
31:10
Speaker 1: industry standard of other people where there are similarities, because
31:14
Speaker 1: I think something that is happening now, largely because of
31:17
Speaker 1: social media, are so entrepreneurism is really beautifully on the
31:21
Speaker 1: rise and expanding. I have noticed that some people are
31:25
Speaker 1: just making up prices, you know, some people are just
31:28
Speaker 1: like I do this, it's five. It's like, okay, but
31:32
Speaker 1: how do we quantify what that costs so it's actually
31:35
Speaker 1: sustainable because price gouging is not sustainable, you know. So
31:39
Speaker 1: it's like, I think that we should still hold ourselves
31:42
Speaker 1: as at a level of dignity in our offerings um
31:45
Speaker 1: and then also find plans to make sure that the
31:48
Speaker 1: work that we're doing is available to as many people
31:51
Speaker 1: as possible, irregardless of their socioeconomic background. Yeah. Absolutely, And
31:56
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think there's a lot of different platforms
31:58
Speaker 1: out there, like clubhouse, et cetera, where everyone is basically
32:01
Speaker 1: raising their flag as the expert, putting setting their charges
32:04
Speaker 1: and prices at whatever level. So it's also up to
32:07
Speaker 1: us as consumers to do the research and find someone
32:09
Speaker 1: that you're properly connected to that like yourself, has done
32:13
Speaker 1: the work, has the expertise has educated themselves over you know,
32:17
Speaker 1: whatever amount of time they've been committed to being in
32:20
Speaker 1: that industry. Devy, I feel like we haven't even approached
32:23
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg with you, and I'm so
32:25
Speaker 1: grateful for your time here today. Of course, Okay, Money Movers,
32:30
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33:08
Speaker 1: shout out to Tanya Sam, big shout out to the
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33:12
Speaker 1: Killer Mike. It's really dope show that I hope you
33:15
Speaker 1: guys will take some time to check out. You know,
33:17
Speaker 1: they're really exploring the financial piece of our lives, you know,
33:22
Speaker 1: financial literacy. Obviously, we realize how how how how how
33:27
Speaker 1: important that is. But I'm really fascinated by the way
33:30
Speaker 1: we each relate to money, the ways that we each
33:33
Speaker 1: relate to success, and there's so many different pathways and
33:36
Speaker 1: this show really explores that. So there's a bunch of
33:39
Speaker 1: amazing people that are on this show, huge names, money names,
33:43
Speaker 1: celebrity names, um, but all people that are making really
33:46
Speaker 1: wise choices in their lives and expanding to all the generations,
33:52
Speaker 1: all the lineage that will come from them. And that
33:55
Speaker 1: is my intention to I want to access a level
33:58
Speaker 1: of abundance in my life that will be more than legacy.
34:03
Speaker 1: It will become myth. It will be an ethos that
34:06
Speaker 1: will be a way of being UM for everyone in
34:09
Speaker 1: my lineage that comes from me, and for anyone that
34:12
Speaker 1: happens to connect with me. So that is my intention
34:15
Speaker 1: for my life. That is my intention from my wallet abundance, abundance, abundance,
34:22
Speaker 1: And you know, I just want to invite anyone to
34:25
Speaker 1: spend some time exploring with yourself your relationship to money,
34:30
Speaker 1: your relationship to abundance, and your relationship to the idea
34:34
Speaker 1: of prosperity. And I know those three things have a
34:37
Speaker 1: lot in common and they're often seen as interchangeable, but
34:40
Speaker 1: they're very different things. They're very different pieces of our psyche,
34:44
Speaker 1: very different pieces of perhaps healing that needs to take place,
34:48
Speaker 1: um different pieces of our creativity. So, if you have time,
34:53
Speaker 1: some soul work for this episode might be really just
34:57
Speaker 1: taking a moment to jot down a couple of thoughts,
35:00
Speaker 1: to close your eyes and just see where you land
35:03
Speaker 1: and where it's felt in your body when you bring
35:05
Speaker 1: the word money into your consciousness. So first start with money, wealth, dollars?
35:15
Speaker 1: How do you relate to that? When did you start
35:18
Speaker 1: relating to it in that way? How do you relate
35:22
Speaker 1: to it now? The next piece would be inviting in
35:26
Speaker 1: the word abundance and seeing where is their cross pollination
35:31
Speaker 1: between abundance, that word and the word money, and where
35:35
Speaker 1: can abundance just be experienced and felt on his own
35:39
Speaker 1: and when it is, what does it feel like? What
35:42
Speaker 1: does it look like? What does it sound like? What
35:46
Speaker 1: is it to live an abundant life? And the next
35:50
Speaker 1: word to consider would be prosperity prosperity? What is it
35:56
Speaker 1: to prosper Do you have an aversion into prosperity? Do
36:01
Speaker 1: you feel worthy of prosperity? Are you already living prosperity.
36:07
Speaker 1: And again, there is never a right or wrong answer
36:10
Speaker 1: to any of the questions we bring forward. It's really
36:13
Speaker 1: just about observing what wants to emerge, what wants to
36:17
Speaker 1: be known to me, what wants to be revealed, deepened.
36:21
Speaker 1: So I hope you'll take a moment to do that.
36:23
Speaker 1: Big love everyone, Thank you for joining me, and I
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