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M and M Extra May 29, 2026: Vance vs Rubio vs DeSantis, GoFundMe Problems and more · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and wisdom from Life.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Now that we're about four weeks into this adventure we
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  Speaker 2: call M and M Extra. It just dawned on Mark
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  Speaker 2: and me that we've called this the wrong thing. We
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  Speaker 2: ought to call this the rabbit Hole because it's every day,
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  Speaker 2: every day we're finding we go, this is what I
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  Speaker 2: love about this podcast, so welcome in. It's the rabbit Hole.
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  Speaker 2: We we start ostensibly with a topic or something that
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  Speaker 2: we want to sling back.
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  Speaker 3: The content in the world, all the just the purposeful.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to do this. And then and then we
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  Speaker 3: see a butterfly. Look at that, there's a butterfly. Let's
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  Speaker 3: go over there. Oh look it's a dog. Oh look
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  Speaker 3: there's a there's a rabbit in the in the hole. Well, anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we're having a ball all Thanks for tuning in, Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for giving us a great start. We appreciate you subscribing
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  Speaker 3: to our podcast. We appreciate you watching us on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: Mark and I I think it's fair to say are
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  Speaker 3: having the time of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: We are having some it's just a different atmosphere. There's
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  Speaker 2: something about this that is just so extraordinary and so
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  Speaker 2: thank you, and we're still having fun a month in.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to.
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  Speaker 3: Go dark at some point in every relationship. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you already described to me how they they tried to
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  Speaker 3: pair you with five or six people on radio and
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  Speaker 3: they all just it all just went south. The common
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  Speaker 3: thread is you are you gonna do just do something
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  Speaker 3: wacky or something and take this whole thing into it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's we're too far down
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  Speaker 2: the road that you can't put the toothpaste.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, think about it. It was if it was
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  Speaker 3: gonna happen, it would have happened by now. How many
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  Speaker 3: segments have we spent together, how much I have family members,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have any time as much time as I
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  Speaker 3: spend with you.
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  Speaker 2: And you think about this, honest to gosh, Honest to gosh.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've known each other for a decade or more.
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  Speaker 2: We started we started doing M and M. When we
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  Speaker 2: started doing the hit on your show ten years ago
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  Speaker 2: I come through the door at Salem. June will be
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  Speaker 2: fourteen years. I think we started doing the Hey, let's
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  Speaker 2: have Mike on for a minute to talk about what's
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  Speaker 2: on his show that's right after mine. It then went
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  Speaker 2: to about five of the full twelve fifteen seventeen minutes
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  Speaker 2: of m andem is about ten years. So ten years
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  Speaker 2: and in ten years, and this friendship has exceeded just
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  Speaker 2: what we do on air, because you and I talk
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  Speaker 2: all the time. Something big happens in the news, You
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  Speaker 2: and I invariably text each other, We call each other,
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  Speaker 2: We talk about stuff. We talk about our families, we
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  Speaker 2: talk about it proper, our real estate transactions, stuff that matters.
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  Speaker 2: You clearly have become one of the most important figures
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  Speaker 2: in my life. And I'm not kidding you. Have we
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  Speaker 2: ever had a disagreement? I don't think seriously. Have No,
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  Speaker 2: you mean in life or in life well, not on air?
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I mean like, well, not like a conflict,
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  Speaker 3: a conflicting Have.
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  Speaker 2: We ever had a conflict? No?
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  Speaker 3: Isn't a real test of that, and pardoned me for laughing.
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  Speaker 3: Is because every once in a while, on an issue,
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  Speaker 3: or on a personality, or on something, you'll just think
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  Speaker 3: I'm crazy and you'll tell me, or I just think
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  Speaker 3: you snapped a twig and I will tell you, and
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  Speaker 3: it not only is it okay, it's kind of awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Those are sometimes people's people's best and favorite eminem segments
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  Speaker 3: on radio. As I'm sure will gravitate into this space
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  Speaker 3: at some point.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as.
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  Speaker 3: A real no, I mean a real world no, and
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  Speaker 3: you know no.
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  Speaker 2: There is nobody in my life, including some of my
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  Speaker 2: very dearest friends. I had a falling out not too
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  Speaker 2: long ago with one of my dearest friends in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and it broke my heart. It was a very bitter disagreement.
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  Speaker 2: We patched it up and it's going to be fine.
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  Speaker 2: But there is nobody in my life, family included, that
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  Speaker 2: I can say I have never had a substantive disagreement
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  Speaker 2: with like I have with Mark Davis. I've never had
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  Speaker 2: a disagreement with you. It's really weird. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: number one. We're jinxt now and it's just days away.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody enjoyed the podcast, because somebody is going to go
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  Speaker 3: very dark and very south, and it's all going to
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  Speaker 3: be over here.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be Marjorie Taylor Green, You'll be Thomas Massy and
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  Speaker 2: just turn on each other. It'll be world war.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe let me ask, here's the literally first rabbit
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  Speaker 3: hole the friend that you mentioned. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: is it was it over Trump? Or is it something
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  Speaker 3: else or something else? And so in other words, it
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  Speaker 3: was maybe something When I say the real world, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: Trump is the real world. Politics is the real world.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's the real world. You and I are are professionally intertwined.
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  Speaker 3: The things that we talk about or disagree about our
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  Speaker 3: topics in a commentary universe where disagreement is fun. We
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  Speaker 3: have a basis of goodwill that surrounds the entire thing.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the reason that we have been protected from the
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  Speaker 3: falling out, God, please don't let it be such a
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  Speaker 3: thing as jaxus, it is that while we are very
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  Speaker 3: very very very close, we are scarcely in the same room,
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  Speaker 3: hardly ever in the same city. It's only so far.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I live near you, or we are
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  Speaker 3: family members literally or though you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That we have the luxury the protection of being involved
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  Speaker 3: about this deeply. Whereas if it were this deeply a
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  Speaker 3: family member, lifetime friend, business relationship or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: where do we or do we not acquire that office
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  Speaker 3: building and involve money or or a family member. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's been our protection and that will be that will
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  Speaker 3: be our guardenrail.
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  Speaker 2: My theory is that we have such a deep, deep,
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  Speaker 2: profound mutual respect and we're both we both lift each
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  Speaker 2: other up. Like when when When When I saw you
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  Speaker 2: start to do these hits with Chris Cuomo on News
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  Speaker 2: Nation and with Will Caine on Fox News, I would
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  Speaker 2: sit in my living room just beaming with pride because
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  Speaker 2: I just I just want nothing but the best for
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  Speaker 2: you and Lisa and the kids, and I love seeing
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  Speaker 2: good things happen to you. You feel the same way
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  Speaker 2: about me. When I share a story with you about
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  Speaker 2: some something goofy that happened in my life, or some
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  Speaker 2: achievement ors or something I got to do or a vacation,
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  Speaker 2: You're always genuinely rooting for me. I don't know. There's
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  Speaker 2: just something very special about our friendship and our personal
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  Speaker 2: and our professional relationship, and it just you mean the
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  Speaker 2: world to me and this podcast. Look, may this be
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  Speaker 2: around for a long time. I think you and I
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  Speaker 2: are committed to say, Look, we're going to do this
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  Speaker 2: for as long as the company will let us because
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  Speaker 2: we're really having a ball. We're having a five.
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  Speaker 3: Percent one hundred percent, so the moving parts are. Are
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  Speaker 3: we having a good time?
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  Speaker 2: Check?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's fine. The people who have found us
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  Speaker 3: to be okay with it?
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  Speaker 2: Check?
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  Speaker 3: So, now, how many people do that in the months
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  Speaker 3: and years to come? There's an X factor. We hope
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  Speaker 3: that's a lot. And if that does wind up being
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  Speaker 3: a lot, then I presume that the management structure that
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  Speaker 3: surrounds us that they will also smile on this enterprise.
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  Speaker 2: So absolutely, so far, so good. All right, well, let's
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  Speaker 2: get started here as we kick off this latest episode
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  Speaker 2: of M and M Extra, Let's get started with a
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  Speaker 2: conversation beginner, and I'm going to just go all in
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you that I think Marco
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  Speaker 2: Rubio is going to be the presidential nominee on the
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  Speaker 2: Republican ticket in twenty twenty eight. I think the tea
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  Speaker 2: leaves the stars are aligning. He every time this guy talks.
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  Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, you played a speech, a little
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  Speaker 2: excerpt of a remarks he made about America and are
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  Speaker 2: standing in the world and how the world should be.
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  Speaker 2: Every time the man speaks, he's more brilliant than the
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  Speaker 2: last time. I love JD. Vance. It's a nice problem
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  Speaker 2: to have. But Mark, I'm going to tell you right now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling I believe it's gonna be Marco Rubio, not JD.
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  Speaker 2: Vance at the top of the ticket.
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  Speaker 3: If it's an observation born of just watching Marco and again,
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  Speaker 3: I will say this fifty times just in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: JD.
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  Speaker 3: Vance is awesome. Here's audio and video of Jdvans being awesome.
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  Speaker 3: He's really great Secretary of State. It's a bigger deal
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  Speaker 3: than Vice President. It always has been, it always will be.
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  Speaker 3: Marco Rubio has the benefit of being right at Trump's shoulder,
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  Speaker 3: involved in some of the most important times in recent
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  Speaker 3: world history, and all he is is awesome navigating those things.
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  Speaker 3: He is also the perfect compliment to try to compliment E. E. N.
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  Speaker 3: T and I, Because where Trump can be sharp, elbowed
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  Speaker 3: and brash and we're gonna bomb him into the stone age,
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  Speaker 3: here along comes Rubio with an almost scholarly position paper
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  Speaker 3: yet still passionate take on things. They together have just
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  Speaker 3: been magical. So if it's born of how impressed we
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  Speaker 3: are by that, I'm obviously right there with you and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even not even pushing back at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: because it could very well be. But I think we
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  Speaker 3: need to spend a minute on what a fairly fairly
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  Speaker 3: shocking fit and shocking what a pretty amazing thing it
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  Speaker 3: would be for him, for anybody to out to knock
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  Speaker 3: out a sitting vice president trying to get the gig?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, is Jdvan's gonna have to kind of screw
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  Speaker 3: up for Marco Rubio to to know?
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  Speaker 2: And I and as we talked about a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: it's not even about JD any deficiencies on his car.
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  Speaker 2: It's how great Marco Rubio is. And and as I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching other analysis of this, because clearly like it or not,
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  Speaker 2: whether you like this or not, Marco Rubio is ascendant.
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  Speaker 2: There is something about his his uh, his messaging, his countenance,
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  Speaker 2: his his his presence, his his his skill set. He
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  Speaker 2: is rising. And what what I think is other analysts
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  Speaker 2: have said, and I wonder how you feel about this.
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  Speaker 2: The claim is, the story is, or the narrative is
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  Speaker 2: that Marco doesn't have some of the baggage that JD.
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  Speaker 2: Vance has. I don't know if I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: mean it was sort of like, there's he has an
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  Speaker 2: ability I don't know to to sort of shrug off
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  Speaker 2: some criticisms that Jade Vance is going to get that
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  Speaker 2: won't be directed to Marco Rubio, And I don't quite
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  Speaker 2: know what that means. But that's I'm sharing with you
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  Speaker 2: some of the the analysis outcomes that I've seen, but
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  Speaker 2: but I admit I don't really fully even understand what
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  Speaker 2: they mean.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe the definition of usually by baggage we think
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  Speaker 3: of like skeletons in the closet, and I know you
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  Speaker 3: don't really mean that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just sort of a skeletons.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing that somebody might be is that maybe
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  Speaker 3: that Marco Rubio has been around, he's been a senator,
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  Speaker 3: so is jd Vance. But just it's a much longer
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  Speaker 3: meteor resume for Rubio, advances acendency. It wasn't so very
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  Speaker 3: long ago. My only my only familiarity with jd Vance
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  Speaker 3: is he was a guest on the Hugh Hewitt Show
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  Speaker 3: talking about Hillbilly Elegy. Great book, great movie, great guy.
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  Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, turn your head, he's
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  Speaker 3: a senator. Turned your head yet he's vice President's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: where did this guy come from? Rubio has been a longer,
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  Speaker 3: slower marinate and it has a longer and I guess
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  Speaker 3: more substantive resume.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's something that is going to be so
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  Speaker 2: fun to watch, only because this is a delicious problem
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  Speaker 2: to have. This is that we've got so much. Look,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't even mentioned Ron DeSantis, and this guy did
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  Speaker 2: something in Florida that very few governors were capable of
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  Speaker 2: doing or to do. I mean, he turned around said
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  Speaker 2: you want to readistrict democrats, let me show you how
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  Speaker 2: this works. You know, hold my beer and I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you how this gets done. Now, Ron DeSantis is kind
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  Speaker 2: of a prickly personality and not particularly likable. That's the
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  Speaker 2: problem that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how many I don't know how many
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  Speaker 3: stories you want to tell or not that there's some lurking,
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  Speaker 3: terrible story. But I mean, I I I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: say that that people who are just walking around leading
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  Speaker 3: normal lives watching DeSantis on television find him thoroughly likable.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's not real warm and cuddley. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: even Trump is so incredibly personable. Rubio is looking at
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  Speaker 3: him doing the wedding DJ thing, and and and Vance
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  Speaker 3: is DeSantis has a short fuse, can be a little
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  Speaker 3: like you say, be a little prickly. That's it's that
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing. Yeah, And I'm not alone
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  Speaker 2: in that analysis that that Ron DeSantis doesn't have that
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  Speaker 2: charisma that some of these other folks do. I'm certainly
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  Speaker 2: not like Trump has, I mean, Trump Watson, nobody can
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  Speaker 2: in fact to. But but there's a likability factor that
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  Speaker 2: Marc Rubio possesses. And I think it's an it's an
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  Speaker 2: intangible that's the hard part about this. It's sort of
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  Speaker 2: hard to describe. And the argument is that Mark Rubio
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  Speaker 2: is likable in a way that JD. Vance is not.
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  Speaker 2: But the other argument would be both JD Vance and
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  Speaker 2: Mark Rubio are likable in a way that Ron DeSantis
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  Speaker 2: is most definately.
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  Speaker 3: Sit down and have a beer with them factor everybody
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  Speaker 3: always talks about in weighing presidential candidates. Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 3: want to sit down and have a beer with him?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was true of George W. Bush, it
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  Speaker 3: was true of Bill Clinton, not so much true of
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  Speaker 3: Bush forty one, you know, certainly true of Reagan. I
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  Speaker 3: mean so it's a weird thing between Obama.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, did he have that, I don't know, the
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  Speaker 3: just kind of the per the likability. Reagan was likable,
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  Speaker 3: Clinton was likable. The opposite of likable is not unlikable,
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  Speaker 3: is just sort of dry and and maybe not as
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  Speaker 3: touchy feely or as accessible. That kind of kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, let's talk about discription, Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about likability. Let's talk about about emotions, human emotions. We
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  Speaker 2: we know there are people who despise Trump so badly
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  Speaker 2: that they're willing to throw their whole career down the tubes,
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  Speaker 2: like that teacher we talked about in Frisco a few
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago. They'll post memes and political violence and all that.
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  Speaker 2: But the people who love Donald Trump, my gosh, they would,
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  Speaker 2: they would crawl over broken glass for the guy for days.
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  Speaker 2: There's a there's a there's a factor there. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's not unlike what we have in talk radio
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  Speaker 2: and podcasting and doing talk shows that that love us
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  Speaker 2: or hate us, but react somehow feel don't be don't
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  Speaker 2: be mediocre, don't be neutral about us. We want those
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  Speaker 2: passionate responses. And I don't know there's ever been a
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  Speaker 2: political figure in history that has had the kind of
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  Speaker 2: polarizing effect that Donald Trump has.
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  Speaker 3: You love it and hate, and that paragraph from you
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  Speaker 3: made a thought pop into my head. This is a
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  Speaker 3: good place to share it. I wonder, and everybody wonders,
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  Speaker 3: what is it about Trump? Why the love for him
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  Speaker 3: is so intense and often unshakable. I think some of
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  Speaker 3: it has been because the hatred for him has been
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  Speaker 3: so profound that part. Listen. Ultimately, it's results. Hey, if
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  Speaker 3: you're driving around, walking around and listening to this word,
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  Speaker 3: what it was Trump popular? Hello, It's called results, the border,
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  Speaker 3: fixed gender sanity, environmental sanity, lower taxes. Boom, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing magical about this. He has actually promised and
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  Speaker 3: delivered things and given us things that Republicans and conservatives
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  Speaker 3: have begged for for years. That's why boom, no charge.
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  Speaker 3: There you are. But when you get to the people
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  Speaker 3: who say, dog on it, he's my ride or die,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing and not nothing but that. The reason I'm
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  Speaker 3: just so fused to him in terms of my loyalty
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  Speaker 3: is because it is people hope that that passion can
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  Speaker 3: be a counterbalance to the most fervent and noxious hatred
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  Speaker 3: that has ever been delivered to a president in the
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  Speaker 3: history of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, couldn't say it any better myself. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a ride. Look. I always think it's fun
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  Speaker 2: to consider what the historians are going to say one
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  Speaker 2: hundred years from now, two hundred years from now, what
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna talk, how they're going to define and describe
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  Speaker 2: the Trump era. It's the most consequential presidency of any
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  Speaker 2: of our lifetimes. There's no other way to describe this.
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  Speaker 2: You tell me another presidency that comes close to the years.
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  Speaker 3: Of the Trump era before people go Reagan. It's not
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  Speaker 3: about who we like more or value more. God bless
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  Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan. These are far more dangerous. Reagan saved us
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  Speaker 3: from Carter. Trump saved us from Hillary and Kamala. I
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  Speaker 3: rest my case here on the M and M extra
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  Speaker 3: to take that in another paragraph here, just based on
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  Speaker 3: your superb point and listen to Trump's theories. That's why
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  Speaker 3: everybody keeps trying to kill him. You know, Kennedy was
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  Speaker 3: big change a lot of you know, Vietnam, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things, etc. People took a shot at Reagan et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: At Lincoln. Helloo, so it is. You know, Benjamin Harrison
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  Speaker 3: was never going to get assassinated. You know Franklin Pierce
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  Speaker 3: was never going to get assassinated. It's it's almost a compliment,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: and you know, a tongue in cheek about that.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: But the.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: How historians will view depends on the history. You used
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to be able to say. Soon as you said that,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I thought, okay, depends on the historians, doesn't it. If
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: they are objective, they will look back. I don't need
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: historians of the twenty second century to be fawning over
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Trump or to shower him with with maga love. But
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: if they just treat him fairly, and if this second
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: term goes the way it looked like it might, with
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Iran and Venezuela and Cuba perhaps reformed, with an economy revitalized,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: insanity return to some some of our cultural issues, historians
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: simply must, if they are fair, they must view this
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: as one of the most important presidencies in American history.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk big picture for a little
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: bit with you. I I want to I've been struggling
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: with this lately. You know, you mentioned disagreements that we
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have politically with friends family. A lot of families have
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: been torn apart over the Trump era. We we're in
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the middle of a of a of a political season
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: of rage. Political violence has become acceptable to the left,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to many on the left. You know, I wonder often
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: if we're ever going to get back to a place
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of some some level of decency, civility, of calmness again,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: in other words, do you think that our climate is
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: going to continue to get worse, our polite local climate
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: is going to intensify, and we're going to get worse
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and worse and worse. Or is there a way that
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that this will recover? And let me let me, let
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: me bounce this off you and tell you, let's start
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: this conversation this way. I have a friend who is
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a Trump supporter, who would vote for him a hundred
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: times more if he had the chance. But he believes
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that once tru the Trump era is over. In other words,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: once he leaves office after his second term, things are
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: going to inevitably calm down just because he's not going
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: to be front and center anymore. Do you believe that?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Do you think that things are gonna calm down after
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he leaves office? Do you think there's ever going to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: be a return to our ability to agree, to disagree,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to have some civility, to lose some of this mind
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: numbing rage that so many people are demonstrating on a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: daily basis.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I have optimism and pessimism.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Let's go with.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Let's I think there, let's them up in the following way.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: The Trump era will not end after he's gone, because
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: whether it is Vance or Rubio or arguably DeSantis, the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the Trump era will continue. He will have informed American politics,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and he will have defined the Republican Party maybe for
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: generations to come.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So it's going to be It's not gonna be Trump, though, correct,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: which is why by definition, the moment he bodily is gone,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the temperature in a way will come down.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: However, it's not like the left will suddenly like what
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: President Vance or President Rubio or President DeSantis is doing.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: They will then become hitler. They will come become existential threats.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: But but there is something unique about Trump, truly unique.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: The root of the word meaning there's only one. So yes,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: it will come down some uh, sort of to the
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: kind of hatred that Reagan got, the kind of hatred
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: that Bush got, the kind except it'll be more. It'll
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: be in between. Reagan levels of hatred were like in
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the early stages of modern media bias, Bush levels of
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: hatred were mitigated because neither Bush was really all that conservative.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: So Trump right up to eleven, if not twelve, if
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: not fifteen on the dial. So when we have a
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: president who might be just about as conservative as Trump,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: maybe more so in some ways, but isn't him, it'll
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: be it'll be bad, but not as bad. And I'll
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: put a bow around it in the following way, with
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the following kind of optimism. Maybe we'll just get tired.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: May maybe we'll get tired of being at each other's
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: throats all the time. And if there's one thing that
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: tends to happen in life in the universes, once the
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: pendulum is over to one side, ultimately it just kind
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: of swings, doesn't it in most ways. And maybe there
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: will be a kind of a grudging goodwill that will
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: accompany what I hope is the Republican's successor to Trump.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to since we're in the podcast space
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and we can kind of letur what is little left
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: of our hair down, I wanna, I wanna, I want
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to do a wild exercise. Name one and I'll start.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I'll be but I'll give you time to think about it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Name one thing that Trump has done during his tenure
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: as as our president that has made you crazy. What's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: one thing he's done that has kind of flown all
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: over you, that you've objected to, that you disagreed with
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and wish he hadn't done. And I'll go first. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: can give I can give you one thing, and I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: can tell you it's only one, honest to goodness, of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: all the things he's done. I don't mind the the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: mean tweets, or the feuds and sideshocks, the fights that
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: he picks. I mean, that doesn't bother me at all.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just who he is. He's a New Yorker.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: He's brad.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Although I will tell you the I'm glad Robert Muller
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: is dead and Crapp Well, that's what might be more
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: might be a bigger deal to me than any I've
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: had a couple of literally tile policy disagreements.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But you stole my thunder. You stole my thunder. That
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: was that was what the one thing is. I was
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: going to say, the one thing he's done that has
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: made me crazy is his willingness to to go after
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: dead people. It's like it's it's like, for some reason,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: whatever is in his DNA, he lacks that that empathy
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: gene where he can say, look, Rob Reiner got murdered
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: by his son. I can't leave it alone. I'm gonna
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: still say I'm not a fan. Blah blah blah Rob Muller,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Robert Muller's family had to bury him. He couldn't resist
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: saying bad things. And he's dead. I mean, come on, Mark,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And that's the that's the but it's but I got
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: to tell you, on balance, that's pretty good that it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the only thing that makes me crazy about him.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Because it's funny because when you asked that, I thought,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: does Mike mean policies? Because for that am no, I've
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: only got two, and it's really one and a half
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: for the half a one. For a minute, it looked
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: like he was willing to consider red flaglaws, which are
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: totally unconstituted. Hey, let's go get uncle Fred's guns because
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: an angry relative thinks he voted for Trump. And you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: we think Uncle Fred's crazy. The policy. So here's the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: other one that I think. I think is still in
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: his head. And it's a bad idea, and that's having
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: government put a limit on what your credit card interest
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: rate can be. It's thirty seven percent, Well great, don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: be stupid, don't get that credit card having where anytime
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Trump and Bernie Sanders agree, you should know there's a problem.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And those are just little, tiny things. And I'm a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: guy who just said three minutes ago that all the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Trump behavioral stuff is kind of a sideshow and the truth,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: social posts and his mannerisms largely are. But on those
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: occasions with somebody's body not even cold yet to be
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: that ungracious, it made me a little crazy. And I
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: really and I have no trouble with the rough edge Trump,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: with the blustery Trump, with the fighter, but on those
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the bar has to be set somewhere. And those occasions
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: like you made me go, oh, dude.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And the weird part about it is, you know, I've
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: had the privilege to spend some time with him alone.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I've interviewed him on a number of occasions. I've been
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to the Oval Office, let's see three or four times
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in the Trump era to spend time with him. I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: not trying to be over dramatic, melodramatic here graciousness seeps
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: out of his porch. Is a he's a very gracious guy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: He's actually empathy gene.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: You said in the case of those particular deaths where
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: he got mauthy on social media, and you said, that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: something about lacking the empathy gene only if you've been
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: an enemy of his loudly and publicly, because the rest
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: of the universe. He uses empathy for military families, for kids,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: for patriots, for he's just he totally has. He doesn't
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: lack the gene. Well, it says that his instincts for
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: that goes away if somebody dies who gave him serious grief.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, Look, look, we have to stipulate. His
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: line in the sand is if you're not with me,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you're an enemy, and that you cross that line. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he doesn't ever forget even if you get your throat
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: slit by your son in a rage in the middle
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of the night in your Beverly Hills mansion or whatever
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: it is. But let's talk about his empathy for a moment.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: There's a teenager named Will Roberts, fifteen years old from Alabama.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Went he took to to He's suffering from stage four
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: bone cancer, fifteen year old kid and he desperately needs
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: life saving treatment. And he took to his mom's Facebook
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: page on April to twenty second, he said, I've been
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: fighting this for the last sixteen months. It's very, very deadly.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: It's a hard to beat, hard to treat bone cancer.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: My chemos are just not working. We've tried basically everything
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: there is. I'm getting to the end of the road
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and i need help. Well. An Alabama oil tycoon and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: real estate developer fellow by the name of Rick Myers
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: all the message and forwarded it to the White House,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: forward it to President Trump. And guess what the Trump
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: administration had and President Trump has personally stepped in and
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: is now they flew this kid to Los Angeles for
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: life saving treatment. And the Daily Mail Is reported that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the Trump that President Trump personally is not only paying
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for a lot of the bills out of his own pocket,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: but there was a GoFundMe campaign that has almost hit
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: its three quarters of a million dollar goal, and it
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was because the Trump administration and Donald Trump himself stepped in.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff that he has done his
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: whole life. Yep, and they never given character, they never
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: given credit for that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: So here's my next pivot question. Here on the M
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and M extra things like this, the category of things
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: that you've just described. I hear them and I am
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: heartened by them. And then maybe it's just my pinball machine,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: brain bing bing bang, ricochet rabbit. I can imagine. Can
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: you imagine? And what do you do with this? How
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: do you process it? Maybe you just don't even go there?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: How many people listening right now go, huh nice, I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: get a relative who's dying, or you know, but if
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I send something to the White House to and I
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: think about the the ultra, here's a real uh half
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: court shot there. There was a millionaire or maybe multimillionaire
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: named Percy Ross. He wrote a newspaper column call what
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: was it called I Remember this something a million? It
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: was it was a play about his millions. And you
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: know what people would do. They would write to him
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: asking for money, and sometimes he would give it, and
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: sometimes he wouldn't. It wasn't like, hey, my mom's on
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: chemo or my dad needs a liver. It was It's
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: just the notion. Whenever there is singular kindness, by definition,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: singular it happens once or maybe more than once, et cetera.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I often think, Okay, well, who didn't ask and what
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: are we and what are we to? I mean, does
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: President Trump now get forty seven more uh people who
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: really need it? And he's not gonna be able to
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: do all of them? So I don't know.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It's just well that that leads me to as as
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: our are are aptly named subtitle, the rabbit hole continues.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That takes me down one go the go fund me
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: phenomenon go fund me. That's that is a blessing and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a curse.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: And I talk about the doubt. What's the because first
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of all, I love it. It's an ability for people
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: to publicize stuff and have people go wow, that's great,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and their kindness results in people being helped in a
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: lot of ways. What's what's the what's the downside?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You want? Well, first of all, the idea that everybody
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is doing it, even people with financial means. Let me
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: share a story. A while ago, somebody I knew had
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: a loved one who was shot and killed a terrible tragedy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to get into the details because
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I don't want to identify this person. But so they
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: had a family member killed. The family is loaded. This
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is a very wealthy family. Okay, first thing they did
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: set up a GoFundMe page. Help us with our funeral expenses,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: help us recover, help us with whatever. I don't even
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: know how they I looked at it and I thought,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is a family, very wealthy, very
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Put up a rebuttal it was like, there's some way
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to get on there. On a reply, they can say, listen,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: you guys don't know this, but these people are absolute millionaires.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, it's but Mark, It's like Joey told me,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: because I Joey knows these people too, my friend Joey Hudson,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And I said, Joey explained this to me. He said, Mike,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: it's a thing. It's what people do if you can
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: get it, if you can get it. But but the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: go fundme the instinctive thing you do if you suffer
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a law so some kind or a tragedy is you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: go go to go fund me. And and I just wonder,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: there's no vetting, really is there? I mean, does is
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: there any clearly not?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: And it's so two things. Rabbital on top of Rabbital
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: we had a did we have a couple of famous
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: people by James Vanderbeek. Uh yeah, he was on, And
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: then there was a right and then people said, wait
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: a minute, he's a rich Hollywood star. Well number one,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it's not like he mat a real busy uh IMDb
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: website for the last few years. And he was also
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: in a long health decline that costs zillions of dollars.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't so hard to figure that out. So
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: people should kind of sit tight a minute. I kind
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: of made me want to ask you, do you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: like you know your own name? How well off these
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: people were? Never mind? Then the other way that occurs
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to me is if you'll see you'll run across the
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: go fund me people, but they go fund me on Facebook.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I've got a friend of a friend of a friend
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: or selling on Facebook. I'm Bill, I fell off a
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: ladder on each twenty thousand dollars. Do you do you
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: really do? Like you say, with the absence of vetting,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: who knows, man, it's yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But but going back to the Mark Davis philosophy, and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I you know, when you when you talk about the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: credit card limits, you know, and you and I had
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a mild disagreement on that because
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: at the time I remember talking to you about it,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm saying, look, if it makes people's lives more affordable,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing. But your purest rule, your rule,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: which is a good one. Let the markets decide capitalism
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: is capitalism. I thoroughly get it. I completely understand it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: So if we're going to be consistent with the GoFundMe,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: if you can get it, get it. That's America. You
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: put up a gofund me page, whether you have the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: means or you don't have the means, if you can
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: get an extra hundred thousand dollars to help you pay
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the bills, and people are going to be willing to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: give it to your review, why not?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Because the alternative is what are we going to have
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a government tribunal that evaluates the worthiness of everybody's GoFundMe Exactly?
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Some cases are going to be easy, dirt, poor guide
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: needs a liver. Some cases are going to be easy
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: on the other side, millionaires looking for ten grand and
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: funeral costs. But in the middle, there's going to be
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: a countless number of cases that are kind of well,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: maybe they need the money, maybe they don't. It's got
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: to be left to the marketplace for every and this
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: is energizing and depressing at the same time. It's up
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: to everybody to be a wise consumer, to not be
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: gullible to sort of if there's a way to investigate,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: if you can, ever, don't, how about not giving money
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: to any GoFundMe that you don't have a pretty solid
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: idea is needed.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what I know, and we can conclude with this.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: On this happy day. Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher have
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: our own linear equivalent of the GoFundMe. It's called the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: M and M Extra. We hope that you will subscribe
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to our podcast. We hope you will join us every day.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: We hope you will watch us on YouTube. We hope
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that you will engage in this terrible analogy. If you're happy, Look,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you're you're my my.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Comparing this thing to a go fund me, that this
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: fund that's a terrible comparison.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: We want, we want you, We want you to support us,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and we're not asking for money. We're not saying just
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: go to a go fund me. We could do that,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that'd be the easy way. We could do. A gofund
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: me account. We don't want to do that. We want
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you to support the M and M Extra podcast. That's
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that's that's our tin cup, that's our people.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Also, you've also distracted good boy the tin cup. He's
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: also distracted me mightily now to where we are. So
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: we are so deliciously separated from the clock concept. My
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: brain is absolute mush we right now. I believe we
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: need to tell somebody. This is of course the eminem Extra.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Now having done so, we get we got this. We
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: got a little segment here, and we got one more
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and then a little tiny one at the end after that. Correct,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: is that where we are on the clock. We got
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  Speaker 3: what we're done? Well, look, we could be done with you.
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  Speaker 3: You look like you were You look like you were
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  Speaker 3: out the door. I'm ready, I'm ready. Why not disc
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  Speaker 3: appointment or something. Let's call it a day, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta you know, let's call it a day. Why wait?
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  Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait, okay, yes, let's do
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  Speaker 3: no no, no, no no no on a coming on
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  Speaker 3: a coming episode of eminem Extra Massage talk. Because the
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  Speaker 3: other day I was trying to get a hold of you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this is one of Mike's things. If I'm
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  Speaker 3: ever in a movie or doing something with my wife
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  Speaker 3: or just whatever. If two hours go by that I
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  Speaker 3: don't reply back to Mike, it's like I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 3: talk to my real friends. And I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, up to it, I will not be ignored.
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  Speaker 3: Dan. So there was a period where I was trying
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  Speaker 3: to get a hold of you about something and you
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  Speaker 3: came back apologetically and said, sorry, I was getting a massage.
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  Speaker 3: Stop right there. I have questions because both Lisa and
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  Speaker 3: I are also consumers of that industry. It'd be thoroughly
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  Speaker 3: open and above boardway. So la la la coming up soon. Well,
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  Speaker 3: but I can tease I can tease it. I can
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  Speaker 3: tease it this way by saying, there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people that have vices.
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  Speaker 2: They drink. They enjoy a nice whiskey or a bourbon
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  Speaker 2: or glass of wine. Well, not advice, but indulgences. They
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  Speaker 2: indulge themselves. They indulge themselves with a nice bourbon, a
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: nice glass of chardonnay. There are people that are foodies
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  Speaker 2: who love the five course meals that live in you know,
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  Speaker 2: there are people right there are people who love a
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  Speaker 2: lot of expensive vacations, whatever. It is my indulgence in
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  Speaker 2: ninety minutes that make me the happiest is when I'm
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  Speaker 2: on a massage table and I'm in that zone where
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost falling asleep but I'm not quite asleep. I
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  Speaker 2: lose all the thoughts of my head swirling around about
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  Speaker 2: politics and the Trump era and how many subscribers are
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  Speaker 2: we going to get on the M and M podcast.
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  Speaker 2: There it is the most happy I if I don't
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  Speaker 2: get at least one a week, sometimes two. I one
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  Speaker 2: talking it's going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be next on the next eminem extra. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Trump could could could n ex Iran and make it
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  Speaker 3: a fifty first state. And we're doing massage talk at
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  Speaker 3: least somewhere in there. Because even in your little diatribe
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  Speaker 3: right there, there were two subtopics ninety minutes versus fifty
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  Speaker 3: Do you do you if you fall asleep? Are you
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  Speaker 3: wasting money? Just la la la?
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  Speaker 2: It's all female versus male theram Oh dude, that's that's
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  Speaker 2: that's probably another big because there I know there is
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  Speaker 2: only one answer.
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  Speaker 3: There is only one answer. There's not and don't be
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  Speaker 3: a prude, and I will tell you it's not a
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: prude person.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's only one answer.
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  Speaker 3: There is only one answer, and everyone will learn what
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  Speaker 3: it is on the new We're gonna be able to
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  Speaker 3: do this, I think, on the next one. Come back
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  Speaker 3: for this. It's what we do. It's hot topics, it's
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  Speaker 3: things people care about. It's stuff that maybe only Mike
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  Speaker 3: and I care about, and we hope to God other
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  Speaker 3: people do. It's the magic of eminem extra. We love
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  Speaker 3: you and we'll see you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. We'll see you Monday.