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Dragnet: The Big Parrot (EP4610) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: Now from November sixteenth, nineteen fifty here is the Big Parrot.
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  Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only
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  Speaker 2: the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're
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  Speaker 2: a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. A man
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  Speaker 2: and his wife are found dead in a rooming house.
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  Speaker 2: A dead parrot lies on the floor beside them. The
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  Speaker 2: killers set fire to the room to cover his tracks.
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  Speaker 2: Your job get.
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  Speaker 3: Him Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. While
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  Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case. Transcribed from
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  Speaker 3: official police silence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 3: Dragnet is the story of your police force and action.
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  Speaker 4: It was Wednesday, April second, was windy in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: We were working early morning watch on a homicide. My
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  Speaker 4: partner's Ben Romero. The Boss'stad Brown, Chief Detectives. My name
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  Speaker 4: is Friday. I was on the way back from communications.
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  Speaker 4: That was five twenty five am when I got to
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  Speaker 4: Room forty two homicide.
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  Speaker 2: Hello is this Miss Jones?
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  Speaker 5: Is Joe Friday. I'm sorry to buy him. Miss Jones?
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  Speaker 2: Is Lee there? Oh yes, Joe, just a minute, I'll
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  Speaker 2: wake him.
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  Speaker 6: Lee Lee, Honey, it's Joe Friday.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to talk to him. Yeah, Joe, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 4: to wake you. Can you come down right away? Got
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  Speaker 4: a call from fire headquarters a couple of minutes ago.
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  Speaker 4: They had a fire in a rooming house over on
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  Speaker 4: Seventh Street. They found two dead bodies, in one of
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  Speaker 4: the rooms. Well, the battalion chief doesn't think so. They
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  Speaker 4: found both bodies on the bed. There was evidence of
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  Speaker 4: arson in the room.
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  Speaker 7: What kind of proof of that?
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  Speaker 4: The victims, that's why we called you. Fire department thinks
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  Speaker 4: they were dead before the fire started. Five thirty am,
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  Speaker 4: Romero and I drove out to the rooming house on
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  Speaker 4: Seventh Street, was a two story building in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the block between South Grand and Toledo Avenue. On
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  Speaker 4: one side of it was a small transient hotel, and
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  Speaker 4: the other a building which housed a book binding firm
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  Speaker 4: and studios for an acrobatic dancing school. When we got there,
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  Speaker 4: the salvage crew was still working. We were directed to
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  Speaker 4: the second floor, where we met with a man in
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  Speaker 4: charge from the fire department, battatty In Chief Sullivan.
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  Speaker 2: It's right down the hall here. Watch your step there.
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  Speaker 5: You have the names of the victims.
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  Speaker 2: Chief.
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  Speaker 8: We think it's Guthrie, mister and missus Charles Guthrie old
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  Speaker 8: Coels who lived here for some time. I understand, Oh yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: We figure that's where it started, right under the bed
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  Speaker 2: over there. Heap must have been terrific. Under the walls.
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  Speaker 5: This is where most of the damage was done.
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  Speaker 2: Ye.
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  Speaker 8: No rooms on both sides got it too. Not as
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  Speaker 8: bad as this though. Guthries had two rooms, this and
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  Speaker 8: the one adjoining through the door that when the fire
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  Speaker 8: starts got on the idea about a quarter to five,
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  Speaker 8: I'd say a landlady smelled the smoke about ten to five,
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  Speaker 8: put in the alarm.
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  Speaker 2: Fire was out three minutes after five.
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  Speaker 4: Any other casualties besides the Guthries, I mean, no, just
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  Speaker 4: a too Okay, go.
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  Speaker 2: Run the bed here, m yeah, well the worst I've seen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Ben, you can see from the position of the
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  Speaker 4: two bodies doesn't look to me like the suffol kidd mm.
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  Speaker 4: No evidence that they tried to get out of the room,
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  Speaker 4: both relaxed.
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  Speaker 5: Looks like somebody did them in then tried to cover
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  Speaker 5: with arsen n chief.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah on the floor there, Oh yeah, parrot, somebody rung
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  Speaker 8: its neck, looks like to me and then throw it
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  Speaker 8: there on the floor.
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  Speaker 4: There's the empty cage there in the corner and doors
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  Speaker 4: of 'em set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wine subs still talking to the landlady.
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  Speaker 8: He hasn't come back. Clyde likely to meet Friday and Rabello. Sorry,
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  Speaker 8: Friday and Ramera homicide detail. This is Clyde wine from
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  Speaker 8: the Arsen squint. You want to show him that set
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  Speaker 8: up Clyde, how it was touched off.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad to you can take a look under the
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  Speaker 4: bed there tells most of the story.
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  Speaker 2: You see directly underneath that h what is that wine?
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  Speaker 4: Pretty charred rags and papers had a good soaking and
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  Speaker 4: kerosene before they were touched off, strung out all under
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  Speaker 4: the bed here.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't miss her through. Guy whoever set it up. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the carpeting in the room was douts with kerosene too.
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  Speaker 8: As much you can kind of. And the man who
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  Speaker 8: touched it off. And there's something about timing devices. You
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  Speaker 8: want to show him that rig clide.
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  Speaker 2: Right here, Yeah, ordinary electric heater. This automatic timer was
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  Speaker 2: connected to it then plugged in. Heater was placed under
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  Speaker 2: the bed right next to the rags and papers. Timer
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  Speaker 2: was set probably for about four forty five am. Timer
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  Speaker 2: let go on schedule. Eater warmed up, rags and papers
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  Speaker 2: caught fire, then the mattress.
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  Speaker 5: You can see the rest for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: That time a pretty intricate way man who put it together.
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  Speaker 2: There was no amateur, as the chief said, must have
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  Speaker 2: known something about clockwork. Yeah, Mac, excuse me, I'll be
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  Speaker 2: back in a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Too bad. That's very lest.
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  Speaker 4: You find anything else it might die in g not
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  Speaker 4: in this room. No, did parrot there door the cage
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  Speaker 4: of the Probably a pet might have been out of
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  Speaker 4: the cage at the time of the fire. It's possible
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  Speaker 4: the parrot could have suffocated, chief not from what I
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  Speaker 4: can see. No, as I say, it looks to me
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  Speaker 4: like somebody wrung the bird's neck. A few green feathers
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  Speaker 4: on the floor there. That's the joining room in Moore.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, I figure that Guthries used it as a sitting room. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: you see the fire didn't wipe out everything.
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  Speaker 5: Joe, Come on, mate, Right.
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  Speaker 4: This carpet here with the door, dark stains.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think could be blood? Heavy stains?
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  Speaker 4: Sure enough of them, looks like more of 'em by
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  Speaker 4: the desk there, some on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: Too, desk drawers open here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I see that.
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  Speaker 8: It's about it, you know as much as we do
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  Speaker 8: so far. Yeah, we know how the fire was touched off.
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  Speaker 8: Were satisfied didn't kill those two people in there? The
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  Speaker 8: boys Marsian squad talking to the other rumors in the
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  Speaker 8: building right now, you can check with them. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 8: thank you very much, Chiane.
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  Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate not at all usual brakes, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: How's that?
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  Speaker 4: This is fire Prevention Week five fifty three am. Lieutenant
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  Speaker 4: Lee Jones and the crew from the Crime I have arrived.
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  Speaker 4: Davis the photogh for Dean Bergmann from Layton Prince. Pictures
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  Speaker 4: were taken of both rooms which made up mister and
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  Speaker 4: Missus Guthrie's living quarters.
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  Speaker 5: Photographs of the bodies were taken.
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  Speaker 4: Bergmann processed for fingerprints while Lee Jones continued his investigation.
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  Speaker 4: Ben and I went down the hall to the landlady's apartment,
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  Speaker 4: where we met with Ray Schubert, one of the men
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  Speaker 4: from the Arson Squad.
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  Speaker 9: These met her from Homicide Division, Sergeant Friday from marro
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  Speaker 9: missus dead min That.
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  Speaker 6: Right, yes, Claras Diadman. How do you do I managed
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  Speaker 6: the house here? Would either of you care for a
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  Speaker 6: cup of tea?
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  Speaker 2: No thing?
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't care for him. When did you last see
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  Speaker 5: mister and missus Guthrie?
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  Speaker 6: Man, Well, now let me see missus Guthrie. I saw
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  Speaker 6: her just before dinner last night, a little before six.
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  Speaker 6: I went into barroneag and a cup of flour. She
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  Speaker 6: was all right?
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  Speaker 5: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Was there anyone with her?
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  Speaker 5: No, Firshi was alone. What about mister Guthrie? When'd you
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  Speaker 5: last see him?
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  Speaker 2: At seven thirty?
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  Speaker 6: I looked out my window and I saw him closing
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  Speaker 6: up the parking lot.
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  Speaker 5: Did the Guthries have any visitors at all yesterday? Do
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  Speaker 5: you remember that?
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  Speaker 6: Oh? Just what I know of Jack Marshman. He's working
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  Speaker 6: for mister Guthrie about a year.
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  Speaker 5: And now when did Marshman visit the Guthries?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know?
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  Speaker 6: Round four yesterday afternoon? Yes, I was there too, Visus
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  Speaker 6: Guthrie and Jack and I had a cup of tea together,
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  Speaker 6: and then Jack left to go back to work, and
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  Speaker 6: then I left.
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  Speaker 9: You didn't notice anyone else in or near the Guthrie
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  Speaker 9: rooms after that?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 6: I had my dinner and listened to a radio play,
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  Speaker 6: and then I went off to bed.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I know you're upset, Missus Stedman.
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  Speaker 4: But can you think of anybody who might have wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do away with the Guthries, anybody who had a
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  Speaker 4: reason to do them hard?
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  Speaker 6: As far as I know, Sergeant, they didn't have an
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  Speaker 6: enemy in the world. I guess I was wrong. It's terrible, terrible.
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  Speaker 2: To nice, ma'am. We leave our card here.
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  Speaker 4: Wait all right if you want to contact, just don't
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  Speaker 4: hesitate to call anytime. All right, thank you, thank you,
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  Speaker 4: Miss Stedman. Goodbye, ma'am, good gry. What time you got
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  Speaker 4: six fifteen? It's pretty early.
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  Speaker 5: They ought to be.
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  Speaker 4: Able to post the bodies for us this morning, say Friday.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, gee, Jones, your crime lab man's looking for you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Ben you called the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on his way over.
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  Speaker 7: Lee, all right, I'm looking for you. Got a few things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: what's that this hammer punted over in the corner under
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  Speaker 7: some of the rubble. He stains on the metal handle
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  Speaker 7: here on the head, gave it the Benzdine test his
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  Speaker 7: blood and figures to murder weapon.
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  Speaker 2: I have no more.
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  Speaker 7: When to get the corner's report, Berkman looked a lot
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  Speaker 7: of nice prints, a lot of them all over everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: on the handle of this hammer, on that timing contraption
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  Speaker 7: over there, the one that touched off the fire. Even
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  Speaker 7: left some in the next room on that metal box
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  Speaker 7: and draw the dead. That good Prince rometri and they match.
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  Speaker 7: Go on the next room. Something right, Yeah, those stains
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  Speaker 7: on the coppet by the door, the stains on the
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  Speaker 7: coppet by the desk, those on the wall, blood stains,
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  Speaker 7: all of them. You can see here, sail of stains,
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  Speaker 7: all leading through the door into the murder room.
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  Speaker 4: You figure they were murdered in here, and then the
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  Speaker 4: killer took the bodies in the next room and put
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  Speaker 4: him on their bed, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then he said fire to cover up. That's my guess.
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  Speaker 7: How about the prints on the box in the desk,
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  Speaker 7: and might have been money in the box?
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  Speaker 5: Possible burger.
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  Speaker 2: That's an angle.
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  Speaker 7: I'll take scrapings from these stains on a biological precipitate
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  Speaker 7: when I get back to the lab.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you know how it times out. I'd just
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  Speaker 2: stop finishing.
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  Speaker 4: Up rightly, Thanks very much. Well, that looks like we're
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  Speaker 4: in fair of shape. A hammer, a couple of fingerprints, right, yes, Hubert,
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  Speaker 4: My father.
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  Speaker 9: Worked from mister Guthrie in the parking lot. Jack Marshman
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  Speaker 9: just got here.
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  Speaker 5: Did you talk to him?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 9: And I having one of the empty rooms down the hall?
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  Speaker 5: Thanks? Which way down here?
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  Speaker 4: It seems pretty well broken up he talked to anyone
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  Speaker 4: besides using to get here?
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  Speaker 9: No, I told him the guts we're dead, that's all.
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  Speaker 9: He's taking it pretty hard. Which one I hear?
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  Speaker 2: As friends I had Charlie Water. I knew I should
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  Speaker 2: have stayed with him. I knew I should have. These
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  Speaker 2: men are from homicide, mister Marshman, Sergeant Friday, Sergeant Romerow.
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  Speaker 5: You know, mister Marsham, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I can tell you. I can't
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  Speaker 2: understand or Charlie what.
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 2: What can I do to help? Would like to have
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  Speaker 2: you answer a few questions if you don't mind, you
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  Speaker 2: certainly certain anything to help out it? Please? You gotta
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  Speaker 2: find out whoever did it. You got to find out
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  Speaker 2: who killed.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna try, mister Marsham. Now would you tell us
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  Speaker 4: the last time you saw that Guffy's alive?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, Bud. Missus Guthrie about oh four point fifteen yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: have to know him. Me and missus Studman. She's a landlady.
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  Speaker 2: We had tea with her and I went back to
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  Speaker 2: help mister Guthrie at the parking lot. When's the last
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  Speaker 2: time you saw him? Oh, it's about six thirty. So
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  Speaker 2: when I get off duty at the lder, I said
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  Speaker 2: goodbye to Charlie I never dawned on him. It was
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  Speaker 2: the last time I'd see him alive. I just can't understand.
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  Speaker 4: It's such a vicious thing, Charlie Martin, very terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sir, you won't just sit down there, mister Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thanks you much? Right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Are you sure you're the only one who talked
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  Speaker 4: to Marshman? Since that's right, I met him at the
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  Speaker 4: door downstairs. Well, the only thing you told him was
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  Speaker 4: that the Guthries were dead. That's all he got from us.
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  Speaker 4: Any chance he could have been in the room since
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  Speaker 4: the fire, not a chance. And how do you know
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  Speaker 4: somebody killed him?
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  Speaker 10: You are listening to dragnett authentic stories of your police
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  Speaker 10: force and action.
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday, April second, six forty five, Am Lee Jones and
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  Speaker 4: his men completed their investigation and took their findings back
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  Speaker 4: to the crime lab for further examination.
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  Speaker 5: The Deputy Coroner arrived and removed the.
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  Speaker 4: Bodies of mister and Missus Guthrie to the County Morgue,
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  Speaker 4: together with Clyde Wyant and Ray Shubert of the Arson squad.
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  Speaker 4: Ben and I continued questioning the Guthrie's friend and employee,
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  Speaker 4: Jack Marshman, his answers got more confused, and he kept
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  Speaker 4: contradicting himself. In some ways, he seemed childlike, in others
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  Speaker 4: a good deal more complex. We strung along. In order
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  Speaker 4: to keep up the pretense that he was not a suspect.
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  Speaker 4: We asked him to come along with us while we
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  Speaker 4: checked his living quarters, a two room basement apartment near
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  Speaker 4: Olympic in South Flower. Who explained it as a routine check,
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  Speaker 4: Marshman was calm and self assured.
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  Speaker 2: Wow here it is save yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nice comfortable play. I like been here for about
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  Speaker 4: three years. All this room is where I do my living.
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  Speaker 4: Pulled down bed. It's a little gas plate over there.
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  Speaker 4: It's handy compact.
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  Speaker 5: H I see. What do you use this next room for?
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  Speaker 4: Here?
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  Speaker 2: Jam, it's my shop I like to put around You
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  Speaker 2: care to see it? Yeah, okay, mm hmm. It's very nice.
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  Speaker 2: What's your hobby? Watchmaking? Here? Used to be a watchmaker.
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  Speaker 2: I've worked at it later on. Job is pretty hard
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  Speaker 2: to find.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, these parts here on the bench you making something?
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  Speaker 4: Jack, just fooling around all alarm clock Down'm fixing it
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  Speaker 4: up for friends.
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  Speaker 5: All these wires and things, they all go into the works.
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  Speaker 2: Something more or less year. Just something that's falling around.
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  Speaker 2: It gives me busy, you know, I like a hobby.
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  Speaker 2: There say it's good.
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  Speaker 5: For you, that's what they say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where does this dog? Marshom?
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  Speaker 4: It's my closet, just some clothes and stuff and they're
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  Speaker 4: just junk. But it's only a closet. They're just clothes
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  Speaker 4: and junk. Is that in the sea?
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  Speaker 5: Say Jack? Do you usually keep this stuff around?
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  Speaker 4: Huh? Oh it's uh it's kerosene and it's pretty dangerous
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  Speaker 4: a store like this.
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  Speaker 5: There's no cap on it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad you reminded me. I got to get a
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  Speaker 4: cap for that. I used to wash up.
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  Speaker 2: Dirty working around the bench. This shirt is trisy, Jack.
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  Speaker 4: I wish you wouldn't drive get stuff. I would of
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  Speaker 4: gets my stuff all mixed up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're mine, and I figured it's dangerous. Quite a
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  Speaker 2: few of them. Uh, some kind of pain I was using.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sloppy with pain.
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  Speaker 4: It's no pain, is a jack. It's looked like blood
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  Speaker 4: to me. What difference does it make it working clothes?
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  Speaker 4: I think for your reason was in a day? Why
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  Speaker 4: don't you lay off? Who cares what kind of stain
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  Speaker 4: it is? You're coming here, snooping around, looking all around.
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  Speaker 2: I invited.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I didn't give you the place. This is
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  Speaker 4: my apartment, this is my shop. You can get out, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean you, both of you can get out.
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  Speaker 5: It's a matter of jack.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I said, you can get out.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: All right. You want to tell us before we go,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what why you killed the Guthries.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: What do you mean Why.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Did you kill mister MSUs Guthrie?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: No reason, I just did.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Nine am.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: We put the stain clothing in the materials from the
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: workbench in the car, together with the suspect. We headed
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: back for the office. On the way, Marshman was quiet.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: He asked for some breakfast. We stopped and bought him
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: some ham and eggs. We tried to get him to talk,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: he refused. After breakfast, we dropped the stain clothing and
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: the other things of the crime lab, and then we
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: drove to the City Hall. We parked the car in
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: front of the Spring Street entrance and started up the stairs.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, we'll draw. I've been thinking, yeah, it's
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: all a mistake. What is I didn't know what I
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: was talking about. I didn't kill him.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Ninety seven am then and I took the suspect into
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: the interrogation room.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: We checked him through R and I. He had a
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: record of two petty thefts the year before. We went
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: back to the interrogation room and got on the phone.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: We called Layton. Fingerprints.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: We made him Joe the prints on the hammer, the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: timing device in the middle box in the desk.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: They long to Marshman. Ten oh three am. I call
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the County Morgue.
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: What is identified as mister and missus Charles Guthrie. Cause
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: of death Missus Guthrie, multiple depressed fractures of the skull,
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: subarachnoid hemorrhage, blunt instrument. Cause of death, Mister Guthrie about
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: the same compressions of the brain in the occipital area
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: around the brain stem.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Ten twenty five am. I put in a call to
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: the Lee Jones at the crime lab.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: The material from the work bench are the same that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: went into that automatic time at Joe used together the
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: cut ends of some of the wires. They match.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: How about the stains on his clothes human blood? Ten
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: forty five am. We laid it out for the suspect,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: step by step.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Let me rest her well off, feel better, Let me think.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: We stayed with him. We waited. Eleven twenty am the
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: suspect opened his eyes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, I want to talk about it. Eleven twenty
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: five am. Schubert and Wyant from the Arsonal squad joined
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: us were called in one of the stenographers to take
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Marshman's statement Eleanor Eastlade.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: She automatically took down the time, the place, and those present.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: This is me, So she's like, she's gonna record your
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: statements so there'll be no misunderstanding as to what you
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: say at this time.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: How are you doing now? Yoh, you want to handle
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the question all right?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Jack, We've got a few preliminaries here for you. Okay,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: John Everett Marshaman that's your true name.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Where do you live?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: One two and a half Morgan Place, parvm B.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: What's your age? Very center, occupation?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Watchmaker? When I'm working well on, Jack.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: You've vindicated to us in the previous conversation that you're
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: willing to make a statement setting forth the true facts
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: surrounding the death of mister MSUs Chiles Guthrie.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: That's right. I'll tell you.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Were you in there home Tuesday April first, that's yesterday, Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: that's right. I was What time did you get there
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: first time? About five minutes to four in the afternoon.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Missus Guthrie was there, and so was the landlady, Missus Stedman.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: He had some tea. Was anybody else present while they
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: were there?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: No? This is the three of us.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: How long did you stay there?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: M I left about four fifteen, I guess guess as
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: are about twenty minutes.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Where'd you go when you left?
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Went back to the parking lot as usually, Charlie Guthrie
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: left and went home to dinner.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: He got back about six fifteen. I left six thirty,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: quitting two.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Where'd you go after you left the parking lot? Went
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: around the block and then back to the Guthrie's place.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Why'd you go back there to get money?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Charlie never paid me enough, picked me up, expected me
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to work for nothing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: All right, now, in your own words, when you tell
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: us just what happened starting when you went at the
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Guthrie's apartment.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: The second time, Missus Guthrie opened the door and I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: went in. Shoot, gave me a cup of tea, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I told her I wanted some money. She wouldn't give
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: me any. I don't know why but I was mad.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I was second tired of both of them. They never
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: gave me enough money.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Ella, I'd even it, Serge, all right, go ahead please.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Missus Cauthrey went in the next rome and I went
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: over the desk and got the money from the box that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: They keep it in. I don't know how much. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: grabbed all of it, and the parrot started squawking. Missus
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Guthrie came running in. She saw me with the money,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and she says, Jack picked up something and hit her.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Was the hammer pitting it? Can you remember how many
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: times you ate him? Moistmen?
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. She fell down. Parrot was still squawking,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: jumping around the cage, and I went over, opened the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: door of the cage and pulled a parrot out and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: stopped moving. Finally went in the bedroom and threw it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: on the floor, and I dragged Missus Guffree in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: bedroom and put her on the bed and I left.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Where'd you go?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I walked around, tried to think
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of something. It's cold. I got a bottle of wine.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I drank it and I got to thinking about what
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Charlie do when he got home. I knew he'd be
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: sure I did it. He always blamed me for everything.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So I finally went back to the Guthrie's place and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: found the hammer that I used.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: On hr What you intend doing with the hammer killed Charlie?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: She had it coming, so did he.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: You can't blame me if they forced me into what
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: anybody would have done the same. What'd you do after
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: you found the hammer again? I picked it up and
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: waited for Charlie to come home. Remember that wine made
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: me feel pretty good. I stood there in the dark
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: holding the hammer, watched out the window for Charlie.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It was cold out. I remember that it's radio on
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: down the hall, and I held on in the hammer
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and waited for Charlie. Neon light across the street that
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: came through the windows. Old lady was on the bed
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and there I could see the parrot on the floor.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It was quiet, I had a smoke. Traffic kept going
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: by outside. I could hear that. Held on in the hammer.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: It's windy y. I kept thinking missus Gully was looking
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: at me from the bed, but she wasn't. Charlie came
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: home at the usual time, the left of seven point thirty,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and I stood by the door came in and closed
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the door after him. When he reached for the lights,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I hit him, me fell down. I hit him some more.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: You couldn't blame anybody would have done the same. Anybody
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: would have the way he kicked me around? How many
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: times did you? I don't know? Was it twice? Three times?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Hit him really quick moving?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: So I took hi, dragged him into the bedroom, put
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: him on the bed with his wife. I put him over,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: wiped the stains off of me and lift offs the
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: only thing I could do. Where'd you go?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Then? My place? I knew that timer. I had to
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: do the trick. I put it in a shopping bag
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: with some stuff, and I went back to the Guthries.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: They were still there on the bed. The parrot was
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: on the floor. Would you repeat that last part in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the tomashment? Oh? I said. They were still on the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: bed the Guthries, and the parrot was on the floor
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: next to the bed. Put the carristion on the cap
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and the rags and paper uner the bed and raked
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: up the electric heater and the automatic time and he
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: set it off a little slower.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll just speak up Jack, and then slowed down
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: just a little bit.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Oh sorry, how did you read the time? When he
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: set off the heating down?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I ought to take all morning to tell you you
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: got the timer. I'll take it apart and explain it
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: if you want. What was your purpose and setting fire
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: in the room? You knew both mister and missus Gustin were.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Dead, didn't you?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Well? Sure surely were. They forced me into it. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: set the fire and make it look like an accent,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: like they'd burned it day.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: What would you do after you set the timer?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: All left, went down the street and a couple of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: bottles of wine, talked to the guy man, and I
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: walked around a while. It was too cold, so I
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: went on, when'd you get home? Two thirty? Maybe? I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: don't remember too well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Did you go right to bed?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: You go to sleep?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: No?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I laid there and read a movie magazine, drank the wine,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: finally finished up the two bottles, and those what times
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: you get up a little before six? This morning? I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: went down to the guthriest to know was Arona. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I met you guys. Well you know all the rest
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: because I've been with you ever since.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: All right, Jack, anything else you'd like to add?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Noah? I told you everything all right.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: In the statement was given free and voluntarily, and there's
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: been no promise of immunity or reward extended to you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: There was any force, violence, or drest used. Did intduce
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: you to make the statement?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: These questions and answers have been recorded by the secretary
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: here after they've been transcribed.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Will you be willing to sign? And it is a
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: true statement? You sure, sure, sir? All right? Only you
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: get that out soon as possible. Thank you, You're welcome.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: All that's it. Huh, all of it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: That's good. Good. I'm tired. It's been a long night,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a long one. Get used to it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Huh, they're going to get longer.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true, only the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: names were changed to protect the innocent.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: On July twenty ninth, trial was held in Superior Court,
• 26:38
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• 26:41
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• 26:50
  Speaker 10: John Everett Marshman was tried and convicted of murder in
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: the first degree two counts, and darson one count He
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: is now serving a life term in the state penitentiary
• 26:58
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• 27:05
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• 27:09
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• 27:11
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, baby, you might as well learn the facts of
• 31:45
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• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Information.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I'd like the phone number of Al Romero. Oh Angel,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you don't know what. I'll go away. Oh, for Pete's sake,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, where's my robe? I said, Wait a minute,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: what are you wearing? It all depends.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: It depends on the time of day before seven.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not myself.
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: I know it's late, but I've got to see you.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I'll come back in the morning.
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: It's no good time, is of the essence. I don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: know what I'll do it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: I won't.
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: I'll take it easy, but you don't understand.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I never will at this rate.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: I sit down, Thank you.
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: I suppose I should introduce myself.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: I suppose you shouldn't.
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: My name is Joan Andrews.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Joan Andrews.
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: If you say so, don't you believe me?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I never questioned the ladies word at four o'clock in
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the morning, but I wouldn't advise you to come back
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: at five with that story. Why look at Joan Andrews.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: How come your initials on your purse?
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: A jay?
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: Oh this belongs to a friend.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: All right, Angel, have it you away?
• 33:06
  Speaker 11: I tell you it's the truth.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Well let's hear the rest.
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm engaged to a man named Vince Calvin.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Vince Calvin?
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: You do you know him?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So I won't offer my congratulations.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: Well, Vince has been threatened.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: How do you know?
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: He told me?
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Go on?
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: That's all there is to it. I want you to
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: see nothing happens to her.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: No, Angel, enough is enough.
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: You can't expect me to buy that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: I swear it's true.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Is Calvinoia here? No?
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: And he mustn't find out. He thinks he can take
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: care of himself.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: From what I know of that gent, he can.
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: I can't afford to gamble. You've got to protect him.
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: Why don't you go to the cops because I don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: want any publicity. Vince would kill me.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: If there was. And this is the man you're engaged too.
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: I didn't mean it that way.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: How did you mean it?
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: Look, mister Waring? It all comes down to this, Either
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: you want the case or you don't.
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