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Disappearance of Glen and Bessie Hyde · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty two, a newlywed couple decided to take
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  Speaker 1: a daring venture for their honeymoon. Now, unlike today, a
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  Speaker 1: daring venture didn't mean a carefully planned skydive or an
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  Speaker 1: involved hiking trip through national parks. This was a record
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  Speaker 1: setting trip planned through what was considered the roughest rapids
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  Speaker 1: in the world, all in the dead of winter. Now, eventually,
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  Speaker 1: when they didn't make it to their destination, many assumed
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  Speaker 1: the worst. But when facts started rolling in, and as
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  Speaker 1: search parties went out and time passed, things began to
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  Speaker 1: take a much darker turn.
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  Speaker 2: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for
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  Speaker 1: mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. You splashed a little, then I
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  Speaker 1: That's the second part. Wow, well done, thank you, thanks funny.
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  Speaker 1: If only that rolled off the tongue immediately. Hey wow, okay, well, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back. I am in an incredibly good mood. Multiple reasons.
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  Speaker 2: What are those reasons?
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  Speaker 1: Number one, just came back from vacation, week long vacation, chilling.
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  Speaker 1: I am high on energy and life. Second of all,
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  Speaker 1: we just came back from mountain biking, and holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: that was a good run.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome, one of my best runs.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I was thrilled. Well, long story short, Nicole is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit tentative on the trails.
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  Speaker 2: Rightfully, sokay, honestly I was better, I feel like at
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  Speaker 2: one point, but then I had gnarly fall, which I
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  Speaker 2: think we said on here, and then since then I've
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  Speaker 2: been a little bit chicken shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and rightfully so mountain biking can be scary, so
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  Speaker 1: you're fairly new to it, yeah, and you're diving into
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  Speaker 1: it with me. You're kind of exploring it along with
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  Speaker 1: me because you know I like it, So you're diving
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  Speaker 1: in for me. I guess that's what we should say.
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  Speaker 1: And so your tentative, you're learning. And then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden today it seemed like a switch flipped and
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  Speaker 1: it's like Nicole is no longer like learning. It's like
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  Speaker 1: she fucking learned and she was flying on the trails.
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  Speaker 1: I know you couldn't. You were less like shocked.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you were just like am I mountain.
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  Speaker 1: Biking with you? It was incredible, So well done. Cheers
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  Speaker 1: to you on that cheers.
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  Speaker 2: Really fun, but it was it was hard. It was
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  Speaker 2: a struggle. I'm a little bit raspy, I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: because I was just like gasping for air friggin for
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  Speaker 2: like two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a workout and a half. For those
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  Speaker 1: who don't know, Like, mountain biking doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 1: this crazy downhill stuff you see in world competitions, but
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  Speaker 1: it is an incredible workout even if you are doing
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  Speaker 1: just downhill stuff because you're throwing your body around, you're
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  Speaker 1: still peddling, you're giving her. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and where we were, where we go, like we
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  Speaker 2: have to pedal to get to the uphill.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's we we pedal uphill and we go downhill.
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  Speaker 1: And there's cross country stuff, so you're going up and down,
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  Speaker 1: up and down round corners, over roots, technical stuff, rocky terrain. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it becomes quite quite quite the workout, let's put
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  Speaker 1: it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a blast. Yeah, and you did incredible.
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  Speaker 2: So now I have to get you out paddle boarding
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  Speaker 2: with me. That can be our new newest hobby.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do have a kayak. I'll go kayaking with kings.
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  Speaker 2: Paddle boarding is next level. I feel like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta at least try it. You can just try it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll fuel on the kayak, you can try the paddle
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  Speaker 2: I'll try it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll try it. But I feel like for me, I
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  Speaker 1: think kayaking and paddle boarding is going to be the
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  Speaker 1: same you think I do, because I picture paddle boarding
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  Speaker 1: just like kayaking. It's a chill thing. You go out,
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  Speaker 1: you chill in the water. And when I'm doing something
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  Speaker 1: like this, I don't appreciate the chill in between. I
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  Speaker 1: like to get to a destination and then chill.
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  Speaker 2: See like I could literally just paddle out to the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the lake, lay there for freaking an hour
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  Speaker 2: and then battle back and that rob just own's torturous.
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  Speaker 2: But like I'm obsessed with just laying in the sun
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  Speaker 2: on the water. Oh the best?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not so so much for meat. I need I
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  Speaker 1: need a task. I need a destiny to relax, I
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  Speaker 1: do after my task and destination. For example, you go
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  Speaker 1: want to hike. I need to hike to the peak
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  Speaker 1: of the mountain and enjoy the view. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, right, I need a destiny and you'll enjoy
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  Speaker 1: the way. Yes, I need a goal, okay, And I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel like there's a goal with paddle boarding and kayaking.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the goal is to just go chill.
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  Speaker 1: But I need an in between. Oh just chilling in
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  Speaker 1: the middle.
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  Speaker 2: And well, I have a drink. If I if you
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  Speaker 1: It would? It probably would? So, Actually, do you want
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  Speaker 1: you to thank this week because we did a little
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  Speaker 2: You know, you read it strong, so like you, I
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the key. Confidence is key.
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  Speaker 2: Fake it till you make it, really pretend pretty much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not very good at that, but I'm trying. I
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  Speaker 2: did that a little bit with mountain biking. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, my fall didn't kill me. I'm still
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  Speaker 2: mountain biking. Let's do the shit.
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  Speaker 1: That that that don't kill me can only make me stronger.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I only have a few scars for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my life. But let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of let's do this, do you want to? Let's
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  Speaker 1: do this?
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  Speaker 2: And I love to.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to. So this episode was actually featured
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  Speaker 1: on Unsolved Mysteries back in the day. Brings us back
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  Speaker 1: a bit. This was actually featured prior to the Them
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  Speaker 1: becoming a whole TV show. So this was a quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote TV special number four. There's three cases within this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was three, maybe four cases actually now
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  Speaker 1: i'm thinking of it. But anyways, it was one of
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  Speaker 1: the cases in that episode. And when this show actually
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  Speaker 1: was signed, and I believe it was nineteen eighty seven,
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  Speaker 1: they were signed to a network to actually become a
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  Speaker 1: TV series. This episode featuring this case became season number one,
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  Speaker 1: episode number one.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yes, oh see, because I thought it was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit newer than that because no Unsolved Mysteries predates us,
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  Speaker 1: but like.
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  Speaker 2: Showed out to unsolved mysteries because it got all of
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  Speaker 2: us into like true crime. That's like literally why we're
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  Speaker 2: here in any way, through and through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, the whole mysteries, paranormal crime, it was
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  Speaker 1: unsolved mysteries, Are You Afraid of the Dark? And Goosebump Sumps, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are the three big ones for me because.
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  Speaker 2: Goosebumps was also book, right, yes it was, and TV shows.
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  Speaker 1: Well Goosebumps was strictly fiction, but the stories were still.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then what's so it was are You
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  Speaker 2: Afraid at the Darknight?
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  Speaker 1: I think of it. But still there was other books
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I can't recall them at right at the top of
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  Speaker 2: my head here, but yeah, unsolved mysteries, Like I remember
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  Speaker 2: sitting there watching that with like my mom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know, like it wasn't my jam Back in
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  Speaker 1: the David Nancy Drew all the mysteries and shit from that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was something else I was thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a bit newer. I can't I can't recall.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the books like the Canadian ghost Stories or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what are those?
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  Speaker 2: What are those?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck, I can't remember where.
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  Speaker 2: There are so many, Like there's even like Rocky Mountain,
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  Speaker 2: like Northern BC, Like it's probably can in a why,
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if they have the mistakes, But
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  Speaker 2: there's these books that just have a million short stories
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  Speaker 2: of like literal ghost stories mostly.
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  Speaker 1: I think you are just rocking my world right now.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't thought of those books in a long time.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big one for me too. I was
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  Speaker 2: pretty obsessed with.
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  Speaker 1: I remember actually going to the schoolastic book fair and
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  Speaker 1: I purchased one of those books back.
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  Speaker 2: In the day, and a lot of people had the
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  Speaker 2: that they're in the shitters next to the toilets, like
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  Speaker 2: so that you're like you're reading the ship while you're like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're.
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  Speaker 1: Reading the ship while you're taking a ship, you know
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  Speaker 1: how you take the short stories.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like here's here's a book.
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  Speaker 1: Well you know, well it was either you had the
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  Speaker 1: ghost stories or an archie comic that was that was
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  Speaker 1: what was in your bathroom?
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  Speaker 2: Or search search words or something. Is that what it's called?
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  Speaker 1: Then, Like, yeah, okay, this is a long ass intro though,
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  Speaker 1: we're almost at ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Let's buckle down and get to this case. So this
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  Speaker 1: case starts us off with bess Bessie Lewis Hayley. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she was born on December twenty ninth in nineteen o five,
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  Speaker 1: where she grew up in Parksburg, West Virginia. She had
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  Speaker 1: brown hair, and it was cut kind of like an
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  Speaker 1: older fashioned style of like that bob cut that we
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  Speaker 1: all know nowadays, kind of like that, but instead of
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  Speaker 1: like the the gradient where it's a little bit shorter
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  Speaker 1: than back and longer in front, it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: just even all the way through, like you put.
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  Speaker 2: A bowl on your head kind of thing and cut around.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of, but it was like almost down to her shoulders. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So she kind of had a haircut like that, and
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  Speaker 1: she had nice bright brown eyes. You know, she was
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  Speaker 1: a really good girl sort of thing. Now, Bessie would
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  Speaker 1: eventually marry a man by the name of Earl Hemlick. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the two said their vows and tie the knot on
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  Speaker 1: June fifth, in nineteen twenty six in Cattlesburg, Kentucky. Bessie
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  Speaker 1: and Earle had known each other for a while as
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  Speaker 1: they attended high school together, which would of course blossom
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  Speaker 1: into their current relationship. Now, during this time, Bessie was
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  Speaker 1: going to school at Marshall College. It was actually part
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  Speaker 1: of their agreement to Mary that she could continue her
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  Speaker 1: college education. So Bessie had this itch for education. It
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  Speaker 1: was reported that after the wedding she planned to study
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  Speaker 1: during the following year in San Francisco, California.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in the nineteen twenties, traveling was not like it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a normal thing today like people did actually
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  Speaker 1: for women in a married relationship right right.
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  Speaker 2: And going about getting an education and such.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, which is why it was part of her marital
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  Speaker 1: agreement that could continue her education. Good for her, I know, right,
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  Speaker 1: like what a boss babe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So this became, you know, of rumors of this spread
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  Speaker 1: that Bessie was actually pregnant because of these situations. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why this is. This is actually rather
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  Speaker 1: normal type of rumor for this to occur when women
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  Speaker 1: were to go off and do things or move or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was. It was kind of normal for this
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  Speaker 1: rumor to happen that they were pregnant. Oh why that
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  Speaker 1: seems so I don't know why, right, Why they're doing
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  Speaker 1: like why they're pursuing different things. Why traveling or school
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  Speaker 1: or whatever equals baby? Well, yeah, because you think it.
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  Speaker 2: Would be the opposite if you were pregnant, that you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be venturing off, you don't necessarily and doing these
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  Speaker 2: other things.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And like maybe it's because people had nothing better
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  Speaker 1: to do with their time than spread rumors back in
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  Speaker 1: the day. And I mean people still do that shit today.
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  Speaker 1: It's not certainly an unrealistic thing to occur, so whatever
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  Speaker 1: the Yeah, So whatever the reason was, her actually going
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  Speaker 1: to travel for education brought up the rumor that she
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  Speaker 1: was pregnant. Now, there was never any confirmation of this,
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  Speaker 1: as she never delivered a child. So anyways, the reason
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  Speaker 1: for her travel, whatever it was, it was for school.
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  Speaker 1: She was not pregnant. That's all we know now either way.
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  Speaker 1: Bessie and Earle only lived together for two months after
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  Speaker 1: their marriage before she would spread spread her wings for
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  Speaker 1: her adventurous life and head out for San Francisco in
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  Speaker 1: February of nineteen twenty seven. Now, she bought a ticket
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  Speaker 1: and hopped aboard a passenger ship making its way to
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California. There, just like the cinematic Titanic, she
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  Speaker 1: met a farmer outdoorsman from oh from Idaho named Glenn Hyde.
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh o inde oh well kind of okay? Well.
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  Speaker 1: The two quickly became good friends, and the relationship quickly
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  Speaker 1: flourished from good friends into much more. Dang, and they
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  Speaker 1: began a romantic relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, I don't love that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either, but the two seemed to be a
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  Speaker 1: match made for each other, so much so that Bessie
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  Speaker 1: clearly dropped her current marriage. Her husband, Earl, became old
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  Speaker 1: news as she sailed away into the sunset with Glenn. However,
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  Speaker 1: Glenn wasn't going to just let Bessie walk out of
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  Speaker 1: his life quite so easy. There wasn't a lot he
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  Speaker 1: could really do in terms of what Bessie was doing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he was in another state, across the country,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. So when he was presented
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  Speaker 1: with divorce papers, however, he did try his best and
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  Speaker 1: he refused to sign so Bessie seemed to be stuck
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  Speaker 1: in this marriage when she really didn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: with this guy and she really wanted to be with
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  Speaker 1: Glenn instead, So she found a loophole. Bessie realized all
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  Speaker 1: she needed to do was to move out of state
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  Speaker 1: to a specific area, so she moved to Elko, Nevada
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  Speaker 1: to meet the correct residency requirements. She was required to
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  Speaker 1: reside here for six weeks to claim her residency. When
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  Speaker 1: she did this with very little funds to her name,
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  Speaker 1: and during which the time she was described as being
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  Speaker 1: starving and sometimes faint from lack of food. Oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: But she was determined to marry the man she loved.
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  Speaker 2: She does seem like a very determined woman.
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  Speaker 1: She does very strong, hand willed woman. So in the
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  Speaker 1: divorce proceedings, Bessie actually commented that the marriage was quote
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  Speaker 1: loveless and that Earl was indifferent to her by saying
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  Speaker 1: that he quote did not seem to care if she returned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. I was like
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  Speaker 2: pretty pumped about Earl because like way back in there
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  Speaker 2: and he's still kind of letting his wife live the
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  Speaker 2: life she wanted. And now this happens like it kind
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  Speaker 2: of feel bad for him, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right, So, whatever the case against Earl's wishes
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  Speaker 1: for their divorce, it was finalized on April first of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight, and Glenn and Bessie got married in
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  Speaker 1: Twin Falls, Idaho on April twelfth, just twenty four hours
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  Speaker 1: after she had officially divorced. That's rough. That is pretty brutal.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. And I had like this tiny little theory that
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  Speaker 2: I won't bring up, but that's just out the window
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  Speaker 2: now at this point. Okay, wow, wow, wow, wow. I
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  Speaker 2: don't love that at all. That's like rude.
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  Speaker 1: It is. What was your theory?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Because I know a little bit about this,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll save it till later. I'll save it, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'll save it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll put it this way. Any information we've shared
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  Speaker 1: so far, it's just background information. We're just getting to
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  Speaker 1: know our individuals exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And you've mentioned just tidbits, tiny things. I don't know much,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: so I'm just gonna save that till like, okay.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. So the two were ready to take on
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the world, and with Glenn being a great outdoorsman that
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: he was, they decided to take their honeymoon on a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: rafting trip down the Green River and the Colorado River
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: during the fall of nineteen twenty eight. Now, this, by
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the way, is a trip through the rivers in the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Grand Canyon itself. Now, the trip would consist of several
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: different stops along miles and miles of winding and rapid
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: filled river. Not an easy task for anyone. Good thing,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Glenn wasn't just anyone. He had traveled rivers before and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: built boats to suit them as well built them by hand.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Glenn's prior experience and perhaps could be better described as conquests,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: were the Peace River in Canada and Salmon River in Idaho.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: He was also very familiar with reading river currents from
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: his time in Canada when he spent living here, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Glenn had spent a lot of time growing up in fact,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: on the coast of British Columbia boating with his family. Now,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: while he traversed the Salmon River, for example, in Idaho,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: he used his life lung knowledge and skill to conquer
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: what the infamous Lewis and Clark actually avoided on their
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: journey across the United States due to safety reasons. So
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: he was doing what professionals and what these pioneers considered unsafe.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: He was going for it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: See that is impressive and impressed me a little bit.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: But like, I don't have any interest in that. No,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Like I've thought at one point that I've maybe wanted
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to try what is it called?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: What do you call that?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: White water rat?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, But I'm like, no, no, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I thought about it once, but then no, like.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I just think, like, you're on this boat and you're
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: just like I think I would be fucking terrified, to
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: be honest.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not for me either. I don't know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think I would have to go on a pretty
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like I love water, but I'd have to go on
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: a pretty like chill rapid one like very chill like
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: one way you.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Can you know, cruise on a paddle board maybe.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Not even I like lakes for battle boarding. So I
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: don't know. Good on them though, So this is intriguing
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to me that they're even doing this so well.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Glenn certainly didn't have a problem with it. He was brave,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you know, daring and prideful in fact of his accomplishments,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: while Bessie, on the other hand, well, for lack of words.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: She was inexperienced.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Well, he's lucky to be alive, really, and what is
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: what I think?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he's gone through a lot. Let's put it
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that way now. Bessie, though she was adventuroist and strong
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: in her own right, like we already talked about. Yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: she was not someone who spent a lifetime outdoors battling
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: rivers and forests, so she didn't have the background that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: he did. Okay, so this was rather new for her
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and such the Grand Canyon trip was actually rather new
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: for women as a whole. The trip they planned would
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: put Bessie in the history books as a first woman
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to make the trip. Wow. And on top of that,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Glenn actually wanted to make the trip in record time
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: as well. Then even higher on a pedestal of greatness.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Set around Glenn I married. Let's like live through the honeymoon,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: shall we?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? No kidding. So his plan was to make the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: trip and afterwards write about it. He hadeas of telling Sorry,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: he had ideas of telling stories, speaking at seminars, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: making a living as a great outdoorsman who made the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: trip like no one ever could. He would give advice
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: on how others could hope to follow in their great footsteps.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: He would be remembered as great with a great wife
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: by his side. There were also talks of them hoping
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to create a film about their journey afterwards as well. Okay,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but accounts vary, and no one could really approve anything
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of these accounts. Now, if they're really chasing fame or anything,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: who knows. All we know is that they were getting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: ready for an adventure of a lifetime and they were
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: wanting to set some records along the way.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm a little impressed. I'm not gonna lie,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I'm a little impressed.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It's a daring adventure to say the least. Yeah, I
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want to hear all about this. Oh, you'll hear all
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: about it. So they began by building a boat with
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: some help, and it took them two days. It was
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a twenty foot wooden sweep scow, which is a type
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of boat used by river runners in the time in Idaho.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Shit it's wooden, ah, Like that's what they had back then.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they made that's even more terrifying. Like, hey,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: i'm out, I'm done.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Well, then the couple would officially head down the river canyons,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: starting in Green River in Utah in October twentieth of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm terrified for them, their wooden boat. Terrified.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Now. From there, the trip was laid out to take
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: them all the way down through the Colorado River, where
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they would end up in sunny California. Their trip began
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to gain some notice and traction. People all around started
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: talking about the newlyweds and the dangerous trip. Radios and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: newspaper began talking about the couple, and an ap bulletin
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: was put out in the paper and it went something
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit like this. November twenty one, nineteen twenty eight,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Miss Glen R. Hide of Hanson, Idaho is taking a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: vacation frolic with her husband by trying to navigate the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Colorado River, dangerous rapids and all in a homemade scow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The foaming Colorado River, whose muddy, turbulent waters have wrapped
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in tragedy many times, the effort of a man to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: conquer it by boat is being dared for the first
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: time by a woman as a vacation frolic. Somewhere between Needles, California,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and here, Miss Glen R. Hide of Hanson, Idaho and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: her husband are crunching in a homemade scow as they
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: tumble over dangerous rapids down the twisting river. The journey
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: is over what is known as the inland water Route.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They first launched their scow in Green River, Utah. Never
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: before has a woman attempted to triumph over the long
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: stretch of the Colorado, one of the most difficult and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: dangerous rivers in the continent. All previous expeditions lined their
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: boats down the more dangerous passage. While the hide scow
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is without aid and other than its two passengers can render,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the adventure, undertaken as part of the couple's vacation, also
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: will set another record if it is successful. The scow
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: is constructed of two by four planks and double bottomed.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Huge sweeps at stern and bow guide it the river's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: current supply its motive power.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I have a question, yes, okay, are they doing this?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Just the two of them? Yes, just the two of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: them in this boat.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Just the two of them. Okay, I missed that. I guess,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: holy shit, just the two of them, just the two
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of them. They can make it. If they try, just
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the two of them.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to get you going.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Do they die?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Wow? And he built this boat with some help, yes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but he did built this boat.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But it's almostly. She's like getting more attention in a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: sense because it's like a bigger deal that she's going
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yes she is. But so there's two records being set.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Of course, a woman is doing the trip, which has
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: never been done before, and they're doing it in record time,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of and it's just the two of them, and.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It's their honeymoon, like literally probably no one would be
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: doing a honeymoon to this extent exactly back then.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yep. So it took the couple twenty six days to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: reach a location in the heart of the canyon called
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the Bright Angle Trail. It in itself was a new
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: record when they arrived. Now they were going at an
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: incredible pace. And there when they reached it, they hiked
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: out of the canyon to resupply, and they visited an
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: experienced river rafter in the area. The man by the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: name of Emery Kolb lived there and had already gone
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: through navigating the same Colorado River rapids twice before he
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: knew what the couple were doing. He knew the risks
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: they were taking, and he knew the most dangerous stretch
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of their adventure was still ahead. Now, Emery was a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: photographer alongside with his brother Elfsworth. They arrived in nineteen
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: oh two, and there their studio was operating from nineteen
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: oh four to nineteen seventy six. Wow. Now, fun fact
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: their studio actually still stands today as a historic site.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is amazing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So Emory greeted the couple as
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: they arrived and took one look at their boat and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: knew that they could. You know, what they had built
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't safe for the trip ahead. Put that way, it wasn't.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He was especially shocked and concerned when he learned neither
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Bessie nor Glenn had life jackets.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, Yeah, they're going all in on this, they are,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: but safety first. Really, like, that's not all in, that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: like dumb.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: But that's part of Glenn's stick. Set the record, do
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it with all the risks. We did it without life jackets.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Even you know, that's a sentence that just never be said.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Who cares if you were a life jacket or not?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: For me, I am an occupational health and safety practitioner, like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that's my job by day. Yeah, trust me, I get it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You don't need to preach that to me. I'm silly. Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So Emory tried to convince them to wade out the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: winter and continue on in the summer, when the weather
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and river conditions would be better for them. He even
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: offered the couple to stay in his home with them
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in the meantime. Oh wow, they however, declined. I knew
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they would. Yeah. At the very least, Emory tried to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: convince them to take his own life jackets with them.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: He offered them up, you know, you need something you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: never know if you fall in. He sounds amazing, But
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: they still that mind. Of course they did. Yeah. Glenn
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: told him they were both strong swimmers and had no
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: concerns if one or both of them went overboard. Plus
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he had faith not just in their abilities, but in
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the boat they had built. Bessie, on the other hand,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: didn't seemed so confident. Apparently by this time she had
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: grown tired and weary the trip. Though Glen was eager
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to push on, she may have been a little more
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: hesitant no matter what Emory said. Though his concerns fell
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: in deaf years. Emory couldn't do anything to stop them.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: All he could do was what he does best. He
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: brought out his camera, took their picture, and they were
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: back on their way down the river.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yike.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So, I mean they're already twenty six days in. That's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a freaking long time, it is now, Like he said, though,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: their most dangerous rapids are still ahead of them.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yikes.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So after they took off again down the river, it's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: reported that a man by the name of Adolph G.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Sutro rode from Phantom Ranch to Hermit Rapids alongside the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: river with them in their boat. Not in their boat,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: but he along the river while they were in their.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Boat, you know, okay, had another boat.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: No, he was like on horseback or something on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: side of the river bank while they were in their
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Oah weird, Okay, Now, I mean it could have been
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in a boat. I'm not too sure. All I know
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: is he rowed down along the river side. That's what
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: it says. That's all the information could find. He rode
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: along the river side. Okay. So I'm assuming horseback. By
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the sounds of it, I'm switching to something super awkward.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, like this person just following them
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that they don't want there.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't imagine that they're like even an earshot
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of each other most of the time, you know, like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: he's watching them from across a canyon, you know. Yeah, Okay,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So anyways, eventually, on November eighteenth, nineteen twenty eight, at
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the Hermit Rapids, they went down the river out of sight,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and from there they were never seen alive again. Okay,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on November eighteenth, nineteen twenty eight. That's what you said, correct, Wow. Now,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, at surface level, this seems
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like a pretty cut and dry case overconfidence and inexperience
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: got the best of these two, and once they reached
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the rapids, they couldn't handle their boat. It capsized, they drowned.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Why is this a true crime podcast? Right now? That is,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: of course a theory, But there is a lot more
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to the story still to come that makes this explanation
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: very almost implausible, or potentially impossible, which is why we're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: talking about it today. So to continue on, Bessie and
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Glenn were expected to arrive at Needles, California, around December sixth,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight, which would have been approximately sick Sorry,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: three weeks since they were last seen. However, we know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they didn't arrive. Days began to pass after their expected date,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and people eagerly awaited the two. You know, they were
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: supposed to be coming around the River's bend at any moment,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: but of course they never came.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're certain to wonder.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Glenn's father R. C. Hyde was growing anxious. Where were they?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: What happened? He wanted to find them, so we contacted
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Secretary of War White Davis and explained the situation. Quickly,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they received support from the President of the United States
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to conduct searches and issued flights in the area in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: an effort to find them.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Wow, they made this a humongous deal.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, they did, now. Rcie Hyde also promptly posted a
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: reward for ten, sorry, one thousand dollars and pleaded with
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Native Americans and indigenous individuals and families in the area
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: who were familiar to go out and search as.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Well for any missing pieces bodies, probably part of the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: boat or anything exactly.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did everything he could in effort to find
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the couple, and even when searches were happening, he made
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: sure that rations were being dropped out of aircrafts and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: remote locations in the off chance that they happened upon
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: those rations.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's incredible.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So news articles were out in papers, they were on
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the radio, they were talking about it. Their disappearance was
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: making headlines everywhere. The photographer Emery Colb and his brother
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: also joined a full on search party. They were familiar
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: with the area, as I had mentioned, he's made the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: trip twice before. Now a day into the search, the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: col brothers came across a boat at Diamond Creek around
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: mile two hundred and thirty seven on the planned journey,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hung up on the rocky shore of the river. It
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was Bessie and Glenn's, no doubt about it, Okay. The
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: homemade scow sat there in perfect condition, oh with gear
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and luggage still inside, with a rope caught up between
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: rocks preventing it from floating downstream. But neither Bessie nor
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Glenn were anywhere in sight.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Oh man, okay, that was not would be like what
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you expect to find the boat.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly inside the boat were clothes, rations, Glenn's hunting rifle,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: all their gear, their camera they had, and even Bessie's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: diary was inside the boat.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Wow. Why Yeah, like I thought that they would literally
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: found it in pieces.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't completely intact, all their gear still inside.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: So rumors began running rampant of what happened. Boat flipped
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and they drowned, of course being the main one. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, why is the boat in.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Such good Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Right, it was upright with all the shit inside. Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: If it had capsized, like shit would not be inside
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of it, right.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: So. Others mentioned seeing Bessie along the route before they
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: went out of site, before they were last seen alive,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and apparently she clearly did not want to be on
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the journey anymore. Oh, she seemed terrified. In fact, now,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the individual who last saw them A. G. Sutro, potentially
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: not only one of last people, potentially the last person
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to see them alive, said that Bessie was terrified and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: she was way over her head. Apparently there are two
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: accounts that Bessie had I'd literally been picked up and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: slung over Glenn's shoulders, only to be carried by force
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: into the boat when she did not want to continue anymore.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. So maybe her new husband isn't who she
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thought he was exactly Jez.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So if this is true, surely Bessie's diary that was
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: found inside the boat, oh okay, would hold some testament,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: not necessarily, though she could have been worried that he
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: read it. Like, I don't know how that's true.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: How honest some people are in their diaries.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That's true. I thought of the same sort of thing,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: because I mean, they are in this boat twenty four
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to seven alone. He's going to see this.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Diaries obviously, Well we don't know for sure, I guess,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: but seeming a little bit controlling.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And he's seeing her writing in it. Yeah, what are
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you writing? Let me see that?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or she falls asleep he reads it or something.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: If he is abusive, he probably will just take it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and read it, you know, So who knows regardless of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the situation. Though inside her diary she detailed many days
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: along the river in her adventure, but never gave any
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: sort of indication of being forced or feeling contempt of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: her situation. So was their abuse? Did Bessie want to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: be there?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I just yeah, I'm skeptical of
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: how honest she could have been in that diary. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows. Indeed, all it did bring up, though,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was more questions and questions that of course didn't have answers.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: So on December twenty ninth, the search was called off
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: due to hazard concerns, you know, putting people on dangerous rapids.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's still winter right Exactly.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: From there, the media went into a frenzy about what
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: had happened, and speculations just ran rampant, even more so
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: when footprints were found on the riverbed several miles up
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: from where the boat was found. This had their families,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of course raise their hopes up, hoping that these footprints
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: could have been them, And these footprints were men's and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: could have very well belonged to Glenn, but they were
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: nowhere near the vicinity of where the boat was found
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and could never have directly been linked to either Glenn
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: or Bessie. Now, I do want to point out that,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, they had a lot of people searching rivers.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: They even asked, you know, indigenous in the area to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: go out and search. It could have just been someone
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: searching or someone else on the river. Who knows, right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, there's lots of possibilities there, really so.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: There's no proof that these footprints ever belonged to Glenn or.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Essaysily with them being far up, like not close to the.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Bout at all exactly. Now there is evidence they made
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it far as far as mile two hundred and twenty five,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: where they may have made a camp. Now, the diary
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: notes nothing concerning or worrysome, and neither does their camera.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: The last photograph taken May it appears to be Bessie
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: laying on the river bank face down. It's hard to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: see the image exactly, but she may be sunbathing, maybe
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: covered in a sheet or it maybe, you know, she
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: might be laying nude. I don't know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: It's a photograph on their camera.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Yes, of Bessie laying on the riverbank, face down.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: It appears it's really hard to see.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That's interesting, Okay.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's something a little more sinister. Maybe she's just
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: having a nap and Glenn took a picture of her.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I am also curious to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: know too. Just this was just randomly popped in my head.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But if the diary had anything in there in regards
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to like her happy with Glenn or like, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: loving their marriage and stuff.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Nothing along those lines. Everything that's a lot that's slightly alarming.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Everything seemed hunky dory.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, like she was happy with him, Like it was okay, okay,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I see okay.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: All I know is the case would go cold. The
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: couple would be assumed to be lost in the rapids,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: with some air of mystery surrounding them, with no new
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: details that would come to light until fifty years later,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Oh it's quite some time later.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Now, a commercial rafting trip was guiding several people through
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the canyon on their own adventure excursion. They were nearing
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the end of their trip and they stopped in Diamond
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Creek and made camp for the night. Now, if you recall,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Diamond Creek just so happened to be the location where
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Bessie and Glenn's boat was found. Right after camp was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: made and everyone was around the fire and settling in
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: for the night, the guide began telling us the story
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: of Bessie and Glenn Hyde. They discussed how the travelers
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: went through the rough waters, pushing records the whole way,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and were eventually never seen again, but their foot boat
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: was found right where they were camped. It was then
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that a woman spoke up in the group. The whole
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: trip so far, the woman kept rather quiet to herself.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: She was only looking out in the canyon for most
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of the time, but made herself useful to the group
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: when needed. She spoke after the story and confidently, with
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a very straight face, said to everyone present, I'm Bessie Hyde.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Wow, just throlling that out there. Hey, was she traveling
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in this little tour solo?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's so random, especially like to do something that
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you were terrified at one point, but it's like she's
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: looking for something.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So when the others questioned your about it and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: what really happened out there on the river, of course
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they kind of just assumed it was a joke or something.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: At first. She said she stabbed Glenn and killed him.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Okay. She told the tale of how Glenn was obsessed
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: with making the trip and doing it in record time
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: without safety equipment, no matter the danger. Apparently a fight
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: broke out between them on a day and she had
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: been thrown back on board the boat.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, this is all like checking out really.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Now, Bessie wasn't about to be abused or put her
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: own life for their life on the line, especially when
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: this individual had no concern for their safety to begin with.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: So when she saw her opportunity, she took a knife
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and she struck Wow, then dumped his body into the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: river and hiked out of the canyon on her own.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Good lord, Yeah, okay, I wasn't entirely expecting that, And
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: so she just like is on this fucking random little
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: tour and like, oh, I just murdered him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. Like, I mean.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, but like you just literally said that you murdered someone,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Like you could go to jail for that shit. Yeah,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: so that's I don't get it. I mean, wow, okay, like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: oh I shouldn't be like that in a sense, I'm like, yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: like whoa. But then also, like you just murdered someone,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: But like I like that you were like, she's not
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: gonna let anyone treat her like that. I like that part.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: But then maybe not to murder someone, definitely, not to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: murder someone, definitely not.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So I mean this caught everyone off though.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, if you imagine, how how did they sleep
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that night?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Is what I'm curing. No shit, this woman next to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: me in a tent just claims that she murdered her
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: husband fifty years ago and got away with it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm literally at the same spot, and I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: just like have gone down the river with her for
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: how many goddamn days. Gosh, that's a horror movie in itself.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Well, everyone did kind of note though that the woman
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: was She was kind of the right age for it,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and she seemed very serious when she talked about it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: God, I don't think it could be in a situation
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like this, I would probably literally start laughing. That would
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: be my response. I would uncontrollably start laughing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It was not so uncomfortable. I would be so uncomfortable
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to my mind. Yeah. Well, the woman went by the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: name of Georgie White Clark. Now, she was a famous
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: river runner guide in the Grand Canyon. Georgie was the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: first woman to run the Grand Canyon as a commercial enterprise.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Not only this, but she was an innovator in her field,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: bringing in several new ways that guides ran through the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Colorado River.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: She was a strong pioneer in her field, just the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: kind of person you may expect Bessie to become. In fact,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: after the campfire side confession. Journalists eventually came to her
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: to discuss the story. However, despite there being multiple witnesses
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: the night she came forward, she denied that ever happened
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and denied she's Bessie Hyde. Really yeah, she said, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: never said that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: This whole little was just like giving me goose bumps,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: like it's just wild crazy, Like what the fuck? That's
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: really messed up, isn't it. Why admit that at one
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: point then later not? I mean it probably because she
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: was like shit, like I go to jail.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but someone who wants the notoriety, they want the notoriety,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's almost like she just la had kind
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of had a lapse of judgment for like a small period.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly why it's theorized that she was Bessie Hyde because
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: she had a lapse of adjustment judgment, maybe being caught
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: up in the story where the boat was found looking
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: out over the canyon. Maybe she was drinking, wanted.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: To see how they would react to it, So.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe she had a lapse of judgment to confess this.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Huh, just like testing the waters? How would this go
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: for me?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And then when she was questioned about it, with journalists.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: She realized she made a mistake and just backtracked, backpedaled,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: said no, that never happened, not.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: A terrible thing.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, you regret something, just like, Nope, it wasn't me.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Well, what makes us even more strange and even more
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: believable is when Georgie eventually passed away in nineteen ninety two,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: she was found to be in possession of many items
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: that belonged to Bessie and Glenn High Wow, including their
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: marriage certificate.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Holy heck, Yeah, you're not kidding.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Dead's fucking serious. Okay, that's her. I'm sold that's her.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: That's her. How the fuck would she have that? Right,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: there's no way that's her.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Well, so many people think that she was Bessie but
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a look. To be fair though, a lot of people
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: say that they don't resemble one another. So well that's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a start.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Two years freaking later.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're also saying, well, perhaps these items were
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: souvenirs she had picked up over the years. How she
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: picked them up, I don't fucking know.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, and she just like liked the story kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: but how would she have that? Or she was like
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a relative per se.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But then.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You said that she was kind of a proper age
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and such.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Right there, her age was slightly different, only by like
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: a few years. I believe. I think Georgie was born
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eleven, if I'm not mistaken, and Bessie was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: born When did I say Bessie was born in nineteen
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: oh five? Oh?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Okay? How would she have the certificate though? The marriage certificate?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't because that would have been on board the boat.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, did you mention what else she had?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry? I didn't dive into too much on what she had.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I just know that she had many other possessions, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: on one was the marriage certificate.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Now, apparently George's early Georgie's early life was rather well documented,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and I didn't dive into how well documented it was either.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: We talked about their birthdays. Don't match? I mean, but
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: who knows? Identities can be faked rather easy even today.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Well, like she changed her identity. Her name was different, right,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: she changed her identity after this happened?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Is mine? Well? Yeah, if Georgie was Bessie, she would
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: have changed her identity. But the theory is well Bessie's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: early life is so well documented that it would have
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: been impossible for her to fabricate these things. Okay, now,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't dive into how well documented Georgie's early life
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: was because that's a whole other rabbit hole on its own, right,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that is an argument for this case on
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: her not being Bessie. If you want to dive into that,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: go for it. But yeah, now there is one more
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: piece of the story that I can't not talk about,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and this is Georgie aside, This is onto something completely
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: different and I won't go into a great detail about it,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and you'll kind of understand why in a minute. But
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, a skeleton of a man was
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: found in Emery Colb's garage after he passed away. He
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: was the photographer who had done this trip twice before.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, I'm very intrigued.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Now. The remains were found inside a canoe that was
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: stored away, and the skull had a bullet hole in it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Many believed this could be the remains of Glenn perhaps.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: You know, the story goes a jealous man who killed
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: one other man to be with his wife, and I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: mean Bessie definitely jumped ship rather quickly from one relationship
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to another. Before she did do that, Yeah, could do
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: it again. However, the remains were handed over to forensic
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: anthropologist doctor Walter Burkby. He determined it was from a
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: man who was Caucasian between the ages of twenty to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: twenty three and stood six feet tall with light brown hair.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: He even discovered the skull I said had the bullet hole,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: but it still had the bullet embedded inside. After it
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: was examined, it was determined to be from a thirty
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: two caliber or similar revolver manufactured around nineteen oh two.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: The production date of the gun and clothing fragments found
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: with the remains of the skeleton suggested that the individual's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: death occurred sometime in the nineteen twenties. It all seemed
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to fit. It could very well be Glenn and he
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was just hiding in Emery's garage this whole time. Now,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the story is plausible, but it was easily debunked by
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: doctor Kirby. He took a picture of Glenn and the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: skull that was found and projected one onto the other.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: From there, he adjusted the opacity of each back and forth.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: This gave them the ability to compare facial structures between
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the two. They actually show this a bit in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: episode of Unsolved Mysteries. Oh that's interesting, I'll watch that. Yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And by doing this, he pointed out that the eye
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: orbits were angled differently, the cheekbones, you know, they're a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: bit wider, and the shape of the chin was different.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Basically the whole examination by doctor Birkby, he was certain
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that the skeleton was not Glenn. Okay, from this examination, now,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: there was also records that were dug up of a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: man in the area who had been found to have
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with revolver
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty three. His skeletal remains were found laying
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: on the edge of Shoshone Point Grand Canyon with a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: twenty two revolver near the right hand. A round defect
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: on the right side of the skull with a twenty
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: two caliber bullets was recovered from inside of the skull
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as well. It is assumed that this is the same man.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Why exactly Emory had his remained stuffed in his garage
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: all these years is unknown.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I was like super wondering this. This is
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: super fucked up that someone just has a skeleton in
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: their ross.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is, so it's assumed it's the same man.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: DNA testing proved unsuccessful because the remains were too far gone,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I guess. But to date, this case remains a complete mystery.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: There are theories whether or not something sinister occurred on
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the river's water, but most just kind of accept that
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: their desks was accidental. Either way, nothing's for sure, nothing
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: can be proven.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Wow, And that is a story of Bessie and Glenn Hyde.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Huh wow, Okay, that's interesting.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: So what do you think? What's your theory?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Well, my member, how I said at one point, like
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I had a theory, yeah, and cause I know that
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I had thought that they went missing kind of thing
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: after this, right, and I thought maybe it was to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: do with that she that her first husband wasn't letting
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: her divorce him, and so then they like plotted this
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: and like disappeared and blah blah blah. But then he
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: did end up signing those papers, so that's like out
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the window.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I kind of assumed it was a bit too early
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: for whatever theory you had. Ye didn't have the information yet. Yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So where's your head at now, though, do you think
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that Georgie could have been Bessie Hyde.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I really really really want to believe it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I think she was.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: But then also just some crazy person that's like, yeah,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: that's me.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: But she had their fucking marriage certificate of all things,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: of all things.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm really curious if you change your name,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like changing your name instuff is easy enough,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: but change and I mean, I guess if you're changing
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: your name and like getting new birth tray fits and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: all that jazz, like change in your birthday is just
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: as easy.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And who's to say that, Okay, she didn't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: kill Glenn, hike out of the canyon, find some other
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: woman kill her and just take over her identity. And
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: that's why Georgie's life is so well documented in her
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: early years.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I never thought of that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, just take over someone else's identity.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: This lady's nuts now. Now, in my opinion, I'm just like, WHOA,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: she's wild wild child, wild child.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: She was certainly a very strong willed woman. I don't
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: know if she is a murderer. It's the most likely
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: situation is they hit rapids. My gut is saying they
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: hit rapids, one of them went overboard, the other maybe
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: dove in to help the other, and they lost the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: raft or helped trying to help the other back on board.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: They both fell out. And actually I should mention this
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: there was reports of them falling overboard previously to them,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: so they have fallen overboard and helped each other in successfully.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: But the boat was tied up right, Like the.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Boat was not tied up. The boat was hung up. Oh,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the boat's rope was snagged in the rocks.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I feel like if they're going through
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: something so rough that they ended up like falling out,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: that it would have been stirred up a little bit
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: in a sense the boat. The boat would have had
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: some damage or something. Yeah, elks would have fallen out
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like some of their supplies.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Another note, something else I didn't talk about. There was
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: some damage to the boat that had been reaped haird
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: along their current journey.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And then I guess my other thought too was when
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: you said that like she had thrown them out or
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: thrown them down the water, like killed them like with
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: a knife or whatever. There were so many people searching,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: but I guess that could have been a lot earlier too,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: or a lot later that they were searching, right, potentially?
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and how bodies go missing in rivers all
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the fucking times?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, oh, you think they maybe would
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: have found found it, But then if it was way
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: prior to the search, even maybe not at all, yeah,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: because they would have kind of been searching, maybe more
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: near the area, and by then the body's like, way
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the hell gone.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Even modern times, they have a hard time finding individuals
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: who go missing in rivers. Yeah, I know, because well,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: we have two rivers in a conflux here in our city,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and there are unfortunately people who jump or capsize.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: And they never found.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It's more often than not they're not found. That's true.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: That's very true.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm going to say that I believe
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it's George. Is her name, Georgie, Georgie, Yeah, Georgie. I'm
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: going with that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: My gut wants to say that, although it's not the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: most likely answer.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like, why would this random woman just
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: be like that was mate?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Why would you have their fucking marriage certificates of all things?
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, how would she have ever gotten that?
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Right? Because that would have been but then if she
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: were to take their marriage certificate, you think she would
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: have taken her own diary if she's taking if she's
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: taking documents out of the boat when she leaves, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: guess hey, So it's hard to say. The most likely
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: answer is they both went overboard and their boat gently
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: came to rest somewhere. But I mean, Georgie, how did
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: she get the ship? Yeah? Mehow?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It just I know because in my brain, I'm like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: if they're going overboard, like is their boat when a
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: literally just like end up resting somewhere. But it totally could,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: totally could, Yeah, totally could.
• 54:06
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• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Well done. Again, It's another freaking Monday night where I'm
• 54:15
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• 54:17
  Speaker 2: in them all minute.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: And I do recommend you watch the Unsolved Mystery Case
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: on this they do show that comparison of the skull
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and Glenn's face in relay, so it's kind of cool
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Will you be putting that in the show notes?
• 54:28
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• 54:31
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• 54:32
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