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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  conversation
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  three
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  in
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  our
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  Path
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  of
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  Love
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  series
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  where
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  Roger
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  and
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  I
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  continue
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  to
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  delve
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  into
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  A.H.
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  Almaas's
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  latest
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  book,
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  the
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  Inner
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  Beloved
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  with
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  the
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  master
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  himself.
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  In
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  this
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  episode
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  we
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  continue
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  to
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  explore
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  the
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  absolute,
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  our
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  true
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  nature
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  and
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  the
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  love
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  that
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  we
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  are.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  self,
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  society,
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  spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists.
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  With
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  are
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  delighted
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  to
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  be
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  continuing
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  the
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  Path
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  of
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  Love
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  series
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  with
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas.
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  That's
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  his
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  pen
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  name,
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  other
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  name,
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  Hameed
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  Ali.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  exploring
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  Path
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  of
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  Love
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  which
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  Hameed
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  has
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  laid
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  out
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  as
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  part
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  of
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  his
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  diamond
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  approach
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  work.
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  But
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  a
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  specific
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  subset
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  of
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  the
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  diamond
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  approach
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  centering
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  on
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  the
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  heart
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  and
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  love
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  and
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  lover's
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  path.
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  And
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  the
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  writings
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  for
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  this
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  which
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  we
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  are
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  working
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  with
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  include
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  our
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  trilogy.
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  The
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  first
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  book
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  is
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  titled
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  Love
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  Unveiled.
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  The
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  second
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  is
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  Non
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  Dual
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  Love,
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  Awakening
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  to
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  the
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  Loving
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  Nature
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  of
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  Reality.
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  And
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  the
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  third
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  and
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  culminating
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  volume
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  in
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  the
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  trilogy
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  is
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  the
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  Inner
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  Beloved.
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  And
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  this
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  is
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  our
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  central
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  focus.
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  This
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  is
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  our
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  third
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  dialogue.
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  The
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  first
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  one
• 1:39
  was
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  on
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  the
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  trilogy
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  the
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  Path
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  of
• 1:42
  Love
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  as
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  a
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  whole.
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  And
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  then
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  we
• 1:44
  began
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  to
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  dive
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  into
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  the
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  text,
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  the
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  Inner
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  Beloved
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  in
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  our
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  last
• 1:49
  dialogue.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  an
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  incredible
• 1:52
  dialogue.
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  So
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  you
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  certainly
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  want
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  to,
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  if
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  you
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  haven't
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  listened
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  to
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  it
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  already,
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  I
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  highly
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  recommend
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  doing
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  so.
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  And
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  today
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  we're
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  continuing
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  with
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  that
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  exploration
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  and
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  I
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  would
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  want
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  to
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  say,
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  and
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  maybe
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  as
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  a
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  lead
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  in
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  for
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  you
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  to
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  comment
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  on
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  Hameed,
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  that
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  this
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  is
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  a
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  very
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  different
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  presentation
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  from
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  the
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  Path
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  of
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  Love
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  as
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  presented
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  almost
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  anywhere
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  else
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  in
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  the
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  world's
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  traditions.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  know,
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  Beloved
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  love,
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  the
• 2:20
  Path
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  of
• 2:20
  love.
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  Well,
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  love
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  and
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  bliss,
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  sign
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  me
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  up.
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  But,
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  but
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  in
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  the,
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  in
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  this
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  book,
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  as
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  you
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  get
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  deeper
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  into,
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  more
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  towards
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  the
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  more
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  profound
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  aspects
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  of
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  the
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  path
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  of
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  love,
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  it
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  has
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  an
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  austere
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  flavor.
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  And
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  you
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  go
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  be
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  pointing
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  out
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  that
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  where
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  most
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  traditions
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  end
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  in
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  the
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  experience
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  of
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  non
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  dual
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  love,
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  there's
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  more
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  significantly
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  more.
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  And
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  in
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  some
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  ways
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  it
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  demands
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  a
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  lot,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  letting
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  go,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  opening
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  to
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  quite
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  dramatically
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  different
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  experiences
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  and
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  flavors
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  of
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  love.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  I've
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  said
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  enough.
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  Maybe
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  you
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  could
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  take
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  off
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  from
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  there.
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  Well,
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  first
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  I'd
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  like
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  to
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  have
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  some
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  sense,
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  Roger,
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  how
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  do
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  you
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  see
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  the
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  difference,.
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  The
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  difference
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  between.
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  Yeah.
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  What
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  I'm
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  presenting
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  in
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  this
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  book,
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  this
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  book
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  here,
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  and
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  what
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  the
• 3:19
  tradition
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  you're
• 3:20
  referring
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  to?
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  Well,
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  I'm
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  thinking
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  of
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  a
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  number
• 3:23
  of
• 3:23
  traditions
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  and
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  just
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  briefly
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  mentioning,
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  starting
• 3:28
  perhaps
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  with
• 3:29
  Plato's
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  Symposium
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  and
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  Path
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  of
• 3:32
  Love
• 3:32
  he
• 3:32
  presents,
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  which
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  starts
• 3:34
  with
• 3:35
  a
• 3:35
  focus
• 3:35
  on
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  beautiful
• 3:37
  bodies
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  and
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  then
• 3:38
  beautiful
• 3:39
  beings
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  and
• 3:41
  virtues
• 3:41
  and
• 3:42
  laws
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  all
• 3:42
  the
• 3:43
  way
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  up
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  good.
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  But
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  the
• 3:45
  good.
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  But
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  you
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  go
• 3:47
  beyond
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  that
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  to.
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  Well,
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  give
• 3:50
  away
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  story.
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  So
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  that's
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  one
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  thing.
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  In
• 3:53
  other,
• 3:54
  say
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  bhakti
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  path,
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  most
• 3:57
  of
• 3:58
  my
• 3:58
  understanding
• 3:59
  end
• 3:59
  in
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  non
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  dual
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  love.
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  Kashmir
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  Shaivism
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  is
• 4:03
  not
• 4:04
  primarily
• 4:05
  a
• 4:05
  path
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  love,
• 4:05
  but
• 4:06
  it
• 4:06
  certainly
• 4:06
  has
• 4:06
  that.
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  guess
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  closest
• 4:08
  that
• 4:08
  I'm
• 4:09
  aware
• 4:09
  of
• 4:09
  would
• 4:09
  be
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  Sufi
• 4:10
  path
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  where
• 4:11
  there's
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  sense
• 4:13
  and
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  can't.
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  don't
• 4:14
  know
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  pronunciation
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  here.
• 4:15
  The
• 4:15
  ishkada,
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  the
• 4:17
  longing,
• 4:18
  yearning
• 4:19
  for
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  beloved,
• 4:20
  culminating
• 4:21
  in
• 4:22
  fanar
• 4:22
  and
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  forget
• 4:23
  the
• 4:24
  term
• 4:24
  for
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  subsistence
• 4:26
  in
• 4:26
  God
• 4:27
  and
• 4:27
  then
• 4:28
  some
• 4:28
  sense
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  return.
• 4:29
  That
• 4:29
  seems
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  closest.
• 4:30
  But
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  know
• 4:32
  these
• 4:32
  better
• 4:32
  than
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  do,
• 4:33
  so
• 4:33
  please
• 4:33
  take
• 4:34
  it
• 4:34
  from.
• 4:35
  Okay,
• 4:35
  thanks.
• 4:36
  One
• 4:37
  thing
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  first
• 4:38
  remember,
• 4:39
  not
• 4:39
  what
• 4:40
  we
• 4:40
  read
• 4:40
  or
• 4:41
  hear
• 4:41
  about
• 4:42
  different
• 4:42
  paths.
• 4:44
  They're
• 4:45
  giving
• 4:45
  you
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  sort
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  shorthand
• 4:48
  and
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  know,
• 4:49
  the
• 4:50
  general
• 4:51
  shorthand.
• 4:51
  They're
• 4:52
  not
• 4:52
  giving
• 4:52
  you
• 4:53
  details
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  specifics
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  path.
• 4:56
  So
• 4:56
  I'm
• 4:56
  sure
• 4:57
  all
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  paths
• 4:58
  have
• 4:58
  trials
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  tribulations.
• 5:01
  I
• 5:01
  mean,
• 5:02
  usually
• 5:02
  the
• 5:02
  path
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  love,
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  tribulation
• 5:04
  is
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  heartache
• 5:05
  and
• 5:06
  loss
• 5:07
  and
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  grief
• 5:08
  and
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  crying
• 5:09
  and
• 5:09
  the
• 5:10
  aloneness
• 5:11
  and
• 5:12
  distancing
• 5:14
  and
• 5:15
  that
• 5:15
  which
• 5:15
  brings
• 5:16
  in
• 5:16
  even
• 5:16
  more
• 5:16
  yearning
• 5:18
  that
• 5:19
  common
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  God.
• 5:20
  So
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  had
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  difficult.
• 5:22
  They
• 5:22
  just
• 5:22
  don't
• 5:22
  address
• 5:22
  them
• 5:23
  as
• 5:23
  systematically
• 5:24
  as
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  said
• 5:26
  here
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  this
• 5:26
  book,
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  go
• 5:28
  systematically.
• 5:29
  One
• 5:29
  thing
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  arises
• 5:30
  after
• 5:30
  another.
• 5:32
  You
• 5:32
  see
• 5:33
  many
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  these
• 5:33
  paths.
• 5:34
  I'm
• 5:34
  sure
• 5:35
  they
• 5:35
  come
• 5:35
  across
• 5:35
  those
• 5:36
  things.
• 5:37
  They
• 5:37
  might
• 5:37
  not
• 5:38
  look
• 5:38
  at
• 5:38
  them
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  way
• 5:39
  I'm
• 5:39
  doing.
• 5:39
  They
• 5:40
  might
• 5:40
  have
• 5:40
  their
• 5:40
  different
• 5:41
  language.
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  use
• 5:43
  a
• 5:43
  more
• 5:43
  psychological
• 5:44
  language,
• 5:44
  for
• 5:45
  instance,
• 5:45
  because
• 5:46
  I
• 5:46
  know
• 5:46
  psychology
• 5:47
  or
• 5:47
  modern
• 5:48
  psychology
• 5:48
  introduce
• 5:49
  knowledge
• 5:49
  of
• 5:50
  things
• 5:50
  about
• 5:50
  the
• 5:51
  ego
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  the
• 5:52
  self
• 5:53
  that
• 5:53
  those
• 5:53
  paths
• 5:54
  don't
• 5:54
  have.
• 5:55
  So
• 5:55
  I
• 5:56
  have
• 5:56
  at
• 5:56
  my
• 5:56
  command
• 5:57
  in
• 5:57
  new
• 5:57
  language
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  add
• 5:59
  to
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  difficulties
• 6:00
  and
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  barriers
• 6:02
  and
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  path
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  love.
• 6:04
  Because
• 6:04
  there's
• 6:05
  always
• 6:05
  barriers.
• 6:05
  I
• 6:06
  mean,
• 6:06
  all
• 6:06
  of
• 6:07
  the
• 6:08
  heartache
• 6:08
  and
• 6:09
  whatever
• 6:10
  and
• 6:11
  also
• 6:11
  the
• 6:12
  sense.
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  mean,
• 6:13
  kabiri
• 6:14
  talk
• 6:14
  about
• 6:15
  being
• 6:15
  depressed
• 6:16
  and
• 6:17
  alone
• 6:18
  and
• 6:19
  not
• 6:19
  feeling
• 6:19
  like
• 6:20
  doing
• 6:20
  anything,
• 6:20
  eating
• 6:21
  anything.
• 6:22
  I
• 6:22
  mean,
• 6:23
  that's
• 6:23
  how
• 6:23
  they
• 6:23
  do
• 6:24
  it.
• 6:24
  But
• 6:24
  he
• 6:24
  doesn't
• 6:25
  say
• 6:25
  why.
• 6:26
  What
• 6:26
  is
• 6:26
  he
• 6:26
  encountering?
• 6:27
  He's
• 6:27
  just
• 6:29
  not
• 6:29
  close
• 6:30
  to
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  beloved.
• 6:31
  That's
• 6:31
  all
• 6:31
  he
• 6:32
  says.
• 6:32
  What
• 6:33
  is
• 6:33
  making
• 6:34
  him
• 6:34
  not
• 6:34
  be
• 6:34
  close
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  beloved?
• 6:36
  You
• 6:36
  see,
• 6:37
  this
• 6:37
  book
• 6:37
  goes
• 6:38
  tt
• 6:38
  There's
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  chapter
• 6:40
  in
• 6:40
  each
• 6:41
  one
• 6:41
  of
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  major
• 6:43
  obstacles.
• 6:44
  Yeah,
• 6:44
  we.
• 6:45
  We've
• 6:45
  been
• 6:45
  studying
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  unedited
• 6:46
  version
• 6:47
  before
• 6:47
  book
• 6:47
  was
• 6:47
  even
• 6:48
  published.
• 6:48
  So
• 6:48
  we.
• 6:48
  We
• 6:49
  got
• 6:49
  all
• 6:49
  the,
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  know,
• 6:50
  we
• 6:50
  get
• 6:50
  everything.
• 6:51
  And
• 6:51
  to
• 6:52
  me,
• 6:52
  this
• 6:52
  book
• 6:53
  describes
• 6:53
  a
• 6:54
  journey,
• 6:54
  an
• 6:55
  arc
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  a
• 6:55
  journey.
• 6:56
  And
• 6:57
  it
• 6:57
  is
• 6:57
  on
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  journey,
• 6:58
  reading
• 6:58
  it
• 6:59
  and
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  the
• 7:00
  initial
• 7:00
  phases,
• 7:02
  it's
• 7:02
  pretty
• 7:02
  hard
• 7:02
  stuff.
• 7:03
  The
• 7:03
  emptiness,
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  longing,
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  lack
• 7:05
  of
• 7:05
  desire,
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  letting
• 7:07
  go
• 7:07
  of
• 7:07
  all
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  outward,
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  know,
• 7:08
  described
• 7:09
  in
• 7:09
  Quranic
• 7:10
  principles,
• 7:10
  maybe
• 7:10
  as
• 7:11
  idols,
• 7:11
  the
• 7:12
  Bible
• 7:12
  also,
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  just
• 7:13
  emptying
• 7:14
  all
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  out.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:16
  I'm
• 7:16
  just
• 7:16
  with
• 7:16
  that
• 7:17
  when
• 7:17
  I'm
• 7:17
  reading.
• 7:17
  So
• 7:17
  it's
• 7:17
  not
• 7:18
  easy.
• 7:18
  It's
• 7:18
  like,
• 7:18
  okay,
• 7:19
  I.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  can
• 7:20
  really
• 7:20
  feel
• 7:21
  partially
• 7:21
  into
• 7:21
  that.
• 7:22
  And
• 7:22
  it's
• 7:23
  not
• 7:23
  for
• 7:23
  sissies.
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  mean,
• 7:24
  this
• 7:24
  is
• 7:24
  not
• 7:24
  a
• 7:25
  easy
• 7:25
  path
• 7:26
  to,
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  know,
• 7:26
  boom.
• 7:27
  All
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  sudden
• 7:28
  it's
• 7:28
  all
• 7:28
  love
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  bliss
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  you're
• 7:29
  one
• 7:29
  with
• 7:29
  everything.
• 7:29
  Not
• 7:30
  at
• 7:30
  all.
• 7:31
  Like,
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  wonder,
• 7:32
  what
• 7:32
  was
• 7:32
  Jesus
• 7:33
  experiencing
• 7:33
  doing
• 7:34
  when
• 7:34
  he
• 7:34
  was
• 7:34
  in
• 7:34
  the
• 7:35
  desert?
• 7:36
  Absolutely.
• 7:38
  Why
• 7:38
  did
• 7:38
  he
• 7:38
  need
• 7:39
  to
• 7:39
  be
• 7:39
  in
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  desert
• 7:39
  that
• 7:40
  long?
• 7:40
  40
• 7:40
  days.
• 7:42
  That's
• 7:42
  something
• 7:43
  that's
• 7:43
  going
• 7:43
  on.
• 7:44
  He
• 7:45
  doesn't
• 7:45
  talk
• 7:45
  about
• 7:45
  it.
• 7:47
  He
• 7:47
  just
• 7:47
  basically
• 7:48
  full
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  love
• 7:49
  and
• 7:50
  invites
• 7:51
  people
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  love
• 7:52
  God
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  love
• 7:54
  each
• 7:54
  other.
• 7:55
  I
• 7:55
  mean,
• 7:56
  it
• 7:56
  didn't
• 7:56
  start
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  way.
• 7:58
  True,
• 7:58
  even
• 7:59
  some
• 8:00
  thinking
• 8:00
  about
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  Son
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  God,
• 8:01
  but
• 8:01
  he
• 8:01
  still
• 8:02
  needed
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  go
• 8:03
  through
• 8:04
  human
• 8:05
  trials
• 8:05
  and
• 8:06
  tribulations.
• 8:07
  Because
• 8:07
  the
• 8:07
  heart,
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  know,
• 8:09
  because
• 8:09
  we
• 8:09
  talk
• 8:09
  about
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  path
• 8:10
  of
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  heart
• 8:11
  and
• 8:12
  actually,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  know,
• 8:14
  many,
• 8:15
  especially
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  non
• 8:16
  dual
• 8:16
  and
• 8:17
  sort
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  more
• 8:18
  Eastern
• 8:18
  traditions
• 8:19
  especially
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  are
• 8:20
  not
• 8:21
  oriented
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  our
• 8:22
  heart,
• 8:22
  they
• 8:23
  look
• 8:23
  at
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  obstacles
• 8:24
  as
• 8:25
  concepts
• 8:25
  and
• 8:26
  beliefs
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  mind.
• 8:27
  They
• 8:28
  don't
• 8:28
  talk
• 8:29
  much
• 8:29
  about
• 8:29
  a
• 8:29
  lot.
• 8:30
  I
• 8:30
  mean,
• 8:30
  true,
• 8:31
  there
• 8:31
  is
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  mind
• 8:31
  and
• 8:32
  belief
• 8:32
  and
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  position
• 8:32
  we
• 8:33
  have,
• 8:33
  mental
• 8:34
  position
• 8:34
  and
• 8:34
  ideas
• 8:35
  and
• 8:35
  concepts,
• 8:36
  but
• 8:37
  they're
• 8:38
  not
• 8:38
  included
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  it.
• 8:39
  What's
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  path
• 8:40
  of
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  heart
• 8:41
  is
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  pain
• 8:43
  and
• 8:43
  the
• 8:44
  hurt,
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  wounding
• 8:45
  that
• 8:46
  happened
• 8:46
  not
• 8:46
  just
• 8:47
  in
• 8:47
  relation
• 8:47
  to
• 8:47
  the
• 8:47
  beloved,
• 8:48
  but
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  relation
• 8:48
  to
• 8:49
  other
• 8:49
  human
• 8:49
  beings.
• 8:49
  The
• 8:50
  parents,
• 8:51
  how
• 8:51
  they
• 8:51
  were
• 8:51
  abused,
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  know,
• 8:54
  misused
• 8:54
  and
• 8:55
  hurt
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  wounded
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  all
• 8:57
  the
• 8:58
  abandonments
• 8:59
  and
• 8:59
  all
• 9:00
  the
• 9:01
  betrayals
• 9:02
  they
• 9:02
  went
• 9:02
  through.
• 9:04
  All
• 9:04
  human
• 9:04
  beings
• 9:05
  go
• 9:05
  through
• 9:05
  love
• 9:05
  that.
• 9:06
  And
• 9:06
  most
• 9:06
  human
• 9:06
  beings,
• 9:07
  hearts
• 9:07
  are
• 9:08
  not
• 9:08
  that
• 9:08
  open
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  not.
• 9:10
  Why
• 9:10
  are
• 9:10
  they
• 9:10
  not
• 9:11
  open?
• 9:11
  Scared,
• 9:12
  Scared
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  feel
• 9:13
  all
• 9:13
  of
• 9:14
  these
• 9:14
  things.
• 9:14
  They're
• 9:15
  not
• 9:15
  scared
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  what
• 9:15
  will
• 9:16
  happen
• 9:16
  now.
• 9:17
  They're
• 9:17
  scared
• 9:17
  of
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  experience
• 9:18
  fully
• 9:19
  what
• 9:20
  they
• 9:20
  went
• 9:21
  through.
• 9:21
  So
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  this
• 9:22
  path,
• 9:23
  these
• 9:23
  things,
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  way
• 9:24
  I
• 9:25
  put
• 9:25
  it
• 9:25
  out,
• 9:26
  because
• 9:26
  I.
• 9:27
  That's
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  way
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  went
• 9:28
  through
• 9:28
  it.
• 9:29
  These
• 9:29
  things
• 9:29
  come
• 9:29
  up.
• 9:30
  They
• 9:31
  come
• 9:31
  up
• 9:31
  and
• 9:32
  they
• 9:32
  come
• 9:32
  up
• 9:32
  in
• 9:33
  different
• 9:33
  ways.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  put
• 9:35
  them
• 9:35
  in
• 9:35
  some
• 9:36
  kind
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  language
• 9:36
  that's
• 9:37
  understandable
• 9:38
  to
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  contemporary
• 9:41
  person.
• 9:42
  They
• 9:43
  could
• 9:43
  choose
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  psychological
• 9:45
  language
• 9:45
  which
• 9:45
  people
• 9:46
  are
• 9:46
  more
• 9:47
  used
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  it
• 9:47
  now,
• 9:48
  but
• 9:48
  that's
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  path
• 9:50
  go
• 9:50
  to
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  beloved.
• 9:51
  But
• 9:52
  after
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  realization,
• 9:53
  after
• 9:54
  then
• 9:54
  union
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  beloved.
• 9:56
  There's.
• 9:56
  I
• 9:57
  mentioned
• 9:57
  a
• 9:57
  lot
• 9:58
  happens
• 9:58
  after
• 9:58
  that.
• 9:59
  The
• 9:59
  integration
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  happened.
• 10:00
  What
• 10:01
  happened?
• 10:01
  You're
• 10:02
  not
• 10:02
  just
• 10:02
  with
• 10:02
  the
• 10:03
  beloved.
• 10:04
  Even
• 10:04
  the
• 10:05
  Sufis
• 10:05
  that
• 10:05
  others
• 10:06
  say
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  there
• 10:07
  is
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  return,
• 10:09
  what
• 10:09
  they
• 10:09
  call
• 10:09
  the
• 10:10
  return
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  world.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:12
  that
• 10:13
  has
• 10:13
  many
• 10:14
  stages.
• 10:15
  And
• 10:16
  that's
• 10:16
  what
• 10:16
  brings
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  real
• 10:17
  non.
• 10:18
  Dual
• 10:18
  view
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  how
• 10:21
  an
• 10:22
  undual
• 10:23
  connection
• 10:23
  between
• 10:23
  the
• 10:24
  beloved
• 10:24
  and
• 10:24
  the
• 10:25
  world,
• 10:26
  between
• 10:26
  the
• 10:27
  beloved
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  the
• 10:28
  God
• 10:28
  and
• 10:29
  God's
• 10:29
  creation.
• 10:30
  And
• 10:31
  that's.
• 10:31
  That's
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  payoff
• 10:32
  in
• 10:32
  this
• 10:32
  book.
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  don't
• 10:32
  know
• 10:32
  if
• 10:33
  we're
• 10:33
  quite
• 10:33
  ready
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  go
• 10:34
  there
• 10:34
  yet.
• 10:34
  There's
• 10:34
  a
• 10:34
  lot,
• 10:35
  a
• 10:35
  lot
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  ground
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  cover.
• 10:36
  Yeah.
• 10:36
  But
• 10:36
  when
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  was
• 10:37
  reading
• 10:37
  this
• 10:37
  earlier
• 10:37
  part
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  book,
• 10:38
  I
• 10:39
  had
• 10:39
  an
• 10:39
  experience
• 10:40
  where
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  was
• 10:41
  just
• 10:41
  feeling
• 10:42
  absolutely
• 10:43
  empty
• 10:43
  and
• 10:43
  no
• 10:43
  desire
• 10:44
  for
• 10:44
  anything.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  it
• 10:46
  wasn't
• 10:46
  exactly
• 10:46
  depression,
• 10:47
  but
• 10:48
  there
• 10:48
  just
• 10:48
  was
• 10:49
  no
• 10:49
  desire.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  was
• 10:50
  just,
• 10:51
  wow,
• 10:51
  how
• 10:51
  did
• 10:51
  that
• 10:52
  happen?
• 10:52
  You
• 10:52
  know?
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  want
• 10:52
  to
• 10:53
  play
• 10:53
  my
• 10:53
  guitar.
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  don't
• 10:54
  want
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  walk
• 10:54
  with
• 10:54
  my
• 10:54
  dog.
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  don't
• 10:55
  do
• 10:55
  anything.
• 10:55
  It's
• 10:56
  just
• 10:56
  kind
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  this
• 10:56
  vast
• 10:57
  nothingness
• 10:58
  or
• 10:58
  something.
• 10:59
  But
• 10:59
  it
• 11:00
  was
• 11:00
  very,
• 11:00
  very
• 11:00
  clear
• 11:01
  that
• 11:01
  was
• 11:02
  empty.
• 11:02
  Did
• 11:03
  it
• 11:03
  feel
• 11:03
  difficult
• 11:04
  or
• 11:04
  was
• 11:04
  it
• 11:05
  good?
• 11:06
  You
• 11:06
  know,
• 11:07
  I'm
• 11:07
  familiar
• 11:07
  with
• 11:08
  depression,
• 11:08
  so
• 11:08
  it
• 11:08
  wasn't
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  really
• 11:10
  know
• 11:10
  what.
• 11:10
  That
• 11:10
  doesn't
• 11:10
  feel
• 11:11
  depression.
• 11:11
  Doesn't
• 11:12
  feel
• 11:12
  like.
• 11:12
  No,
• 11:13
  doesn't
• 11:13
  feel
• 11:13
  like
• 11:13
  depression.
• 11:14
  They
• 11:14
  talk
• 11:15
  about
• 11:15
  vast
• 11:15
  and
• 11:15
  expense.
• 11:16
  Could
• 11:16
  be
• 11:16
  openness
• 11:17
  and
• 11:18
  expansiveness.
• 11:19
  The
• 11:19
  heart.
• 11:19
  Yeah.
• 11:19
  But
• 11:20
  like
• 11:20
  all
• 11:20
  of
• 11:20
  my
• 11:20
  little
• 11:21
  human
• 11:21
  things
• 11:21
  were
• 11:22
  just
• 11:22
  like
• 11:22
  not
• 11:22
  there
• 11:22
  anymore,
• 11:23
  you
• 11:23
  know,
• 11:23
  or
• 11:23
  my
• 11:24
  big
• 11:24
  human
• 11:24
  things.
• 11:24
  It's
• 11:25
  just
• 11:25
  like
• 11:25
  no
• 11:25
  desire.
• 11:26
  I
• 11:26
  was
• 11:27
  like,
• 11:28
  wow,
• 11:29
  I
• 11:29
  can't
• 11:29
  wait
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  ask
• 11:29
  Hameed
• 11:30
  about
• 11:30
  that.
• 11:30
  That
• 11:30
  was
• 11:31
  my
• 11:31
  first
• 11:31
  thought.
• 11:33
  That's
• 11:33
  what
• 11:33
  many
• 11:34
  paths
• 11:34
  to
• 11:35
  talk
• 11:35
  about
• 11:35
  desirelessness
• 11:37
  as
• 11:37
  a
• 11:37
  station
• 11:38
  of
• 11:38
  desirelessness.
• 11:39
  But
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  happens
• 11:40
  really
• 11:42
  well.
• 11:43
  We
• 11:43
  can
• 11:43
  experience
• 11:44
  it.
• 11:44
  It
• 11:44
  becomes
• 11:45
  a
• 11:45
  station.
• 11:45
  It's
• 11:46
  been
• 11:46
  integrated.
• 11:46
  If
• 11:46
  we
• 11:47
  work
• 11:47
  through
• 11:47
  all
• 11:47
  the.
• 11:49
  On
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  stuff
• 11:49
  around
• 11:50
  it,
• 11:50
  it
• 11:51
  becomes
• 11:52
  zealousness,
• 11:53
  becomes
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  part
• 11:54
  of
• 11:54
  one's
• 11:54
  realization.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  mean
• 11:56
  it
• 11:56
  is.
• 11:58
  I'm
• 11:58
  not
• 11:58
  quite
• 11:59
  sure
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  was
• 11:59
  going
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  say
• 12:00
  as
• 12:00
  an
• 12:00
  example,
• 12:01
  as
• 12:01
  an
• 12:01
  extreme
• 12:01
  example
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  desirelessness,
• 12:03
  but
• 12:03
  actually
• 12:03
  it's
• 12:03
  not
• 12:04
  desireless.
• 12:04
  This
• 12:05
  is
• 12:05
  quite
• 12:05
  different.
• 12:06
  There's
• 12:07
  a
• 12:08
  theme
• 12:08
  and
• 12:08
  a
• 12:08
  dynamic
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  this
• 12:10
  book
• 12:11
  which
• 12:11
  is
• 12:12
  striking
• 12:13
  in
• 12:14
  how
• 12:15
  different
• 12:15
  it
• 12:15
  is
• 12:15
  from
• 12:15
  most
• 12:16
  descriptions
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  path
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  love.
• 12:18
  And
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  is.
• 12:19
  Well,
• 12:19
  actually,
• 12:19
  I'll
• 12:20
  take
• 12:20
  that
• 12:20
  back.
• 12:21
  Maybe
• 12:21
  I'll
• 12:21
  just
• 12:21
  stop
• 12:22
  commenting
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  ask
• 12:23
  make
• 12:23
  the
• 12:23
  comment
• 12:23
  question.
• 12:24
  You
• 12:25
  talk,
• 12:25
  in
• 12:25
  fact,
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  devote
• 12:26
  an
• 12:26
  entire
• 12:27
  chapter
• 12:27
  and
• 12:27
  more
• 12:28
  to
• 12:29
  what
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  call
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  death
• 12:30
  wish.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  you
• 12:31
  Say
• 12:31
  that
• 12:31
  the
• 12:32
  heart
• 12:32
  or
• 12:33
  the
• 12:34
  deep
• 12:34
  heart
• 12:35
  loves
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  prospect
• 12:36
  of
• 12:36
  simply
• 12:37
  disappearing,
• 12:38
  melting
• 12:39
  away
• 12:39
  and
• 12:40
  there
• 12:40
  being
• 12:41
  nothing.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:42
  you
• 12:42
  say
• 12:42
  this
• 12:42
  is
• 12:43
  really
• 12:43
  central.
• 12:44
  Yeah,
• 12:44
  well,
• 12:45
  part
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  the
• 12:47
  fact
• 12:47
  that
• 12:48
  it's
• 12:48
  common
• 12:48
  with
• 12:49
  other
• 12:49
  path
• 12:49
  of
• 12:49
  love
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  the
• 12:51
  lover
• 12:52
  wants
• 12:52
  to
• 12:52
  disappear
• 12:53
  in
• 12:53
  the
• 12:53
  beloved.
• 12:54
  Not
• 12:55
  only
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  beloved
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  be.
• 12:56
  Because
• 12:57
  out
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  love
• 12:58
  I
• 12:58
  want
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  be
• 12:59
  absorbed
• 12:59
  by
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  so
• 13:00
  much
• 13:01
  that.
• 13:01
  Only
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  are
• 13:04
  and
• 13:04
  nothing
• 13:04
  to
• 13:05
  get
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  way.
• 13:05
  No
• 13:05
  message
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  ego
• 13:06
  or
• 13:07
  any
• 13:07
  stuff
• 13:07
  left.
• 13:07
  And
• 13:08
  yeah,
• 13:08
  because
• 13:09
  to
• 13:10
  be
• 13:10
  one
• 13:10
  separate
• 13:11
  from
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  beloved,
• 13:12
  there
• 13:12
  is
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  barrier
• 13:13
  still.
• 13:13
  You
• 13:14
  know,
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  love
• 13:15
  was
• 13:15
  not
• 13:15
  complete.
• 13:16
  The
• 13:16
  love,
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  true
• 13:17
  love
• 13:18
  was
• 13:18
  completely
• 13:19
  doing
• 13:19
  its
• 13:20
  job.
• 13:20
  It's
• 13:21
  completely
• 13:22
  annihilating
• 13:24
  and
• 13:25
  completely
• 13:25
  erasing
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  lover
• 13:28
  because.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:29
  that's
• 13:30
  what
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  lover
• 13:30
  wants.
• 13:31
  The
• 13:31
  lover
• 13:32
  wants
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  beloved.
• 13:33
  And
• 13:33
  at
• 13:33
  some
• 13:33
  point
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  lover
• 13:34
  notices
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  not
• 13:35
  only
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  want
• 13:36
  to
• 13:37
  be
• 13:37
  near
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  beloved,
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  be
• 13:39
  so
• 13:39
  much
• 13:39
  with
• 13:39
  it.
• 13:40
  There
• 13:40
  is
• 13:40
  no
• 13:40
  me,
• 13:41
  is
• 13:41
  just
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  beloved.
• 13:43
  The
• 13:43
  love
• 13:43
  goes
• 13:44
  that
• 13:44
  far.
• 13:44
  Only
• 13:45
  you.
• 13:45
  Yeah.
• 13:46
  And
• 13:46
  this
• 13:46
  is
• 13:46
  very
• 13:47
  different
• 13:47
  from
• 13:47
  annihilation
• 13:48
  of
• 13:48
  suicide
• 13:49
  where
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  suffering
• 13:50
  gets
• 13:50
  just
• 13:50
  so
• 13:50
  great
• 13:51
  you
• 13:51
  don't
• 13:51
  want
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  exist
• 13:52
  anymore.
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  mean,
• 13:53
  that's
• 13:53
  why
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  called
• 13:54
  it
• 13:55
  death
• 13:55
  wish
• 13:55
  in
• 13:56
  that
• 13:56
  chapter,
• 13:57
  connected
• 13:58
  it
• 13:58
  with
• 13:58
  Freud.
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  knew
• 13:59
  death
• 13:59
  wish.
• 14:00
  Freud
• 14:01
  recognized
• 14:02
  that
• 14:02
  human
• 14:03
  beings
• 14:03
  generally
• 14:04
  have
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  death
• 14:05
  wish.
• 14:06
  And
• 14:06
  he
• 14:06
  saw
• 14:07
  it
• 14:07
  as
• 14:07
  universal,
• 14:08
  not
• 14:08
  just
• 14:08
  neurotic
• 14:09
  people.
• 14:09
  He
• 14:10
  knew
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  he
• 14:10
  somehow
• 14:11
  found
• 14:11
  out
• 14:11
  about
• 14:12
  that
• 14:12
  and
• 14:13
  people
• 14:13
  don't
• 14:13
  talk
• 14:13
  about
• 14:14
  that
• 14:14
  much
• 14:14
  about
• 14:15
  Freud
• 14:15
  findings
• 14:16
  there.
• 14:17
  He
• 14:17
  saw
• 14:17
  that
• 14:18
  there's
• 14:18
  a
• 14:18
  deep
• 14:18
  death
• 14:19
  wish
• 14:19
  and
• 14:20
  he
• 14:20
  connects
• 14:20
  it
• 14:20
  with
• 14:21
  what
• 14:21
  he
• 14:21
  called
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  Nirvana
• 14:22
  principle.
• 14:23
  Oh,
• 14:23
  amid
• 14:23
  you
• 14:24
  are
• 14:24
  just
• 14:24
  opening
• 14:24
  up
• 14:25
  Freud
• 14:25
  in
• 14:25
  a
• 14:26
  whole
• 14:26
  new
• 14:26
  way.
• 14:26
  Yeah,
• 14:27
  I
• 14:27
  mean,
• 14:28
  thank
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  for
• 14:28
  this
• 14:29
  because
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  was
• 14:31
  a
• 14:31
  central
• 14:31
  dynamic
• 14:32
  for
• 14:32
  Freud
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  most
• 14:33
  people
• 14:33
  just
• 14:34
  completely
• 14:34
  dismissed
• 14:35
  it
• 14:35
  and
• 14:35
  I.
• 14:36
  Me
• 14:36
  too.
• 14:37
  But
• 14:37
  now
• 14:37
  you
• 14:38
  are
• 14:38
  not
• 14:38
  only
• 14:39
  making
• 14:40
  sense
• 14:40
  of
• 14:41
  his
• 14:41
  discovery,
• 14:42
  but
• 14:42
  grounding
• 14:43
  it
• 14:43
  in
• 14:43
  a
• 14:44
  much
• 14:44
  deeper
• 14:44
  dimension
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  being.
• 14:46
  Yeah,
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  think
• 14:49
  I
• 14:49
  was
• 14:49
  surprised
• 14:50
  that
• 14:50
  he
• 14:50
  actually
• 14:50
  had
• 14:51
  that
• 14:51
  insight.
• 14:52
  Not
• 14:52
  only
• 14:52
  he
• 14:53
  saw
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  death
• 14:54
  wish
• 14:54
  wanting
• 14:54
  to
• 14:55
  just
• 14:55
  disappear
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  die
• 14:56
  is
• 14:57
  universal,
• 14:58
  but
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  it
• 14:59
  is
• 14:59
  connected
• 15:00
  what
• 15:00
  he
• 15:00
  called
• 15:00
  to
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  Nirvana
• 15:01
  principle.
• 15:02
  So
• 15:02
  he
• 15:02
  read
• 15:02
  about
• 15:03
  Nirvana.
• 15:03
  Obviously
• 15:04
  Nirvana
• 15:04
  is
• 15:04
  a
• 15:05
  Buddhist
• 15:05
  tongue.
• 15:05
  Right?
• 15:06
  Really.
• 15:06
  And
• 15:07
  there's
• 15:07
  no
• 15:07
  self
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  nirvana.
• 15:08
  But
• 15:09
  he
• 15:09
  saw
• 15:09
  that
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  neurotic
• 15:10
  person
• 15:11
  takes
• 15:11
  that
• 15:12
  to
• 15:12
  mean
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  should
• 15:13
  kill
• 15:13
  yourself.
• 15:14
  Which
• 15:14
  means
• 15:15
  it
• 15:15
  is
• 15:15
  because
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  depression.
• 15:17
  One
• 15:17
  take
• 15:17
  this.
• 15:18
  The
• 15:18
  deeper
• 15:19
  heart
• 15:20
  desire
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  be
• 15:21
  one
• 15:21
  with
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  beloved.
• 15:23
  Discipline
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  the
• 15:24
  beloved.
• 15:24
  They
• 15:24
  take
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  mean
• 15:26
  to
• 15:26
  physically
• 15:27
  off
• 15:27
  oneself.
• 15:28
  Yeah,
• 15:29
  that's
• 15:29
  a
• 15:29
  neurosis.
• 15:30
  It
• 15:30
  becomes
• 15:31
  suicide.
• 15:32
  That
• 15:32
  becomes
• 15:32
  one
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  causes
• 15:33
  of
• 15:33
  suicide.
• 15:34
  Now
• 15:34
  it's
• 15:34
  not
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  only
• 15:35
  thing.
• 15:35
  There's
• 15:36
  one
• 15:36
  deep
• 15:36
  thing
• 15:36
  that
• 15:37
  Makes
• 15:37
  because
• 15:38
  it
• 15:38
  tells
• 15:38
  you
• 15:38
  that
• 15:38
  movement
• 15:39
  or
• 15:39
  suicide
• 15:40
  has
• 15:41
  in
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  deep
• 15:42
  universal
• 15:43
  thing
• 15:43
  that
• 15:43
  is
• 15:44
  positive
• 15:44
  but
• 15:45
  is
• 15:45
  misinterpreted
• 15:46
  by
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  neurotic
• 15:47
  mind
• 15:49
  as
• 15:49
  applying
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  body
• 15:51
  instead
• 15:51
  of
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  soul
• 15:52
  wanting,
• 15:53
  the
• 15:54
  psyche,
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  consciousness
• 15:55
  wanting
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  dissolve
• 15:57
  into
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  beloved
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  not
• 15:58
  be.
• 15:59
  And
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  remember
• 16:00
  reading
• 16:01
  him
• 16:01
  a
• 16:01
  long
• 16:01
  time
• 16:01
  ago,
• 16:02
  you
• 16:02
  know,
• 16:02
  decades
• 16:03
  ago,
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  said
• 16:04
  I
• 16:05
  didn't
• 16:05
  know
• 16:05
  about
• 16:05
  the
• 16:06
  beloved
• 16:07
  as
• 16:07
  much
• 16:08
  as
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  do
• 16:08
  now.
• 16:09
  And
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  said,
• 16:09
  well
• 16:10
  that's
• 16:10
  interesting.
• 16:11
  He's
• 16:11
  talking
• 16:11
  about
• 16:11
  the
• 16:12
  nirvana
• 16:12
  principle.
• 16:13
  I
• 16:13
  didn't
• 16:13
  know
• 16:13
  he
• 16:15
  did.
• 16:15
  He
• 16:15
  knew
• 16:15
  about
• 16:15
  nirvana,
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  know.
• 16:17
  But
• 16:17
  nirvana
• 16:19
  now
• 16:19
  when
• 16:19
  people
• 16:19
  talk
• 16:19
  about
• 16:20
  nirvana
• 16:20
  is
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  bliss
• 16:21
  and
• 16:21
  that's
• 16:22
  what
• 16:22
  nirvana
• 16:22
  is,
• 16:23
  no
• 16:23
  suffering.
• 16:24
  And
• 16:25
  somehow
• 16:25
  that
• 16:26
  means
• 16:26
  there's
• 16:26
  inherent
• 16:27
  to
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  human
• 16:28
  being
• 16:28
  the
• 16:29
  movement
• 16:29
  to
• 16:29
  dissolve
• 16:30
  into
• 16:30
  bliss,
• 16:33
  into
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  beloved.
• 16:34
  I
• 16:35
  spent
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  chapter
• 16:35
  on
• 16:36
  it
• 16:36
  to
• 16:36
  clarify
• 16:36
  to
• 16:37
  people.
• 16:38
  When
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  feel
• 16:38
  this
• 16:39
  death
• 16:39
  wish,
• 16:39
  don't
• 16:40
  be
• 16:40
  scared
• 16:40
  of
• 16:40
  it.
• 16:41
  Follow
• 16:41
  it,
• 16:41
  find
• 16:42
  out
• 16:42
  where
• 16:42
  it
• 16:42
  come
• 16:43
  from.
• 16:43
  That's
• 16:43
  the
• 16:44
  idea,
• 16:45
  you
• 16:45
  see.
• 16:45
  Don't
• 16:46
  take
• 16:46
  it
• 16:46
  physically.
• 16:47
  See
• 16:47
  what
• 16:48
  it
• 16:48
  takes
• 16:48
  you.
• 16:49
  Thank
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  for
• 16:50
  this,
• 16:50
  Hameed.
• 16:50
  I
• 16:51
  mean
• 16:51
  you
• 16:51
  were
• 16:51
  just
• 16:52
  making
• 16:52
  sense
• 16:52
  of
• 16:52
  a
• 16:53
  whole
• 16:53
  aspect
• 16:53
  of
• 16:54
  an
• 16:54
  area
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  psychoanalysis
• 16:56
  which
• 16:56
  I
• 16:56
  and
• 16:57
  others
• 16:57
  had.
• 16:58
  Well,
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  mean
• 16:59
  Freud
• 16:59
  did
• 16:59
  things
• 16:59
  that
• 17:00
  of
• 17:00
  course
• 17:00
  were
• 17:00
  not
• 17:01
  acceptable
• 17:01
  now
• 17:02
  you
• 17:02
  know
• 17:02
  which.
• 17:03
  And
• 17:04
  he
• 17:04
  exaggerated
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  sexual
• 17:06
  whatever
• 17:06
  and
• 17:07
  he
• 17:07
  had
• 17:07
  many
• 17:08
  things
• 17:08
  that
• 17:08
  people
• 17:09
  objected
• 17:09
  to
• 17:10
  but
• 17:10
  they
• 17:11
  threw
• 17:11
  away
• 17:11
  the,
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  know,
• 17:12
  everything.
• 17:14
  They
• 17:14
  dismissed
• 17:15
  Freud
• 17:15
  while
• 17:16
  he
• 17:16
  had
• 17:16
  deep
• 17:17
  insights
• 17:17
  into
• 17:18
  things.
• 17:18
  You
• 17:18
  wonder
• 17:19
  where
• 17:19
  he
• 17:19
  got
• 17:19
  them.
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  don't
• 17:20
  know
• 17:21
  myself.
• 17:21
  Once.
• 17:24
  He
• 17:24
  was
• 17:24
  brilliant.
• 17:25
  And
• 17:25
  Hameed,
• 17:25
  thank
• 17:26
  you.
• 17:26
  Because
• 17:26
  now
• 17:26
  you're
• 17:27
  grounding
• 17:27
  Freud
• 17:27
  in
• 17:28
  a
• 17:28
  much
• 17:28
  deeper
• 17:28
  way.
• 17:29
  But
• 17:29
  you
• 17:29
  also
• 17:30
  pointing
• 17:31
  that
• 17:32
  this,
• 17:32
  you
• 17:33
  ground
• 17:33
  the
• 17:34
  so
• 17:34
  called
• 17:35
  death
• 17:35
  wish,
• 17:35
  as
• 17:35
  you
• 17:36
  call
• 17:36
  it,
• 17:37
  in
• 17:38
  a
• 17:39
  more
• 17:39
  profound
• 17:40
  dynamic
• 17:41
  than
• 17:41
  anything
• 17:42
  I've
• 17:42
  seen
• 17:42
  anywhere.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:43
  that
• 17:43
  is
• 17:44
  you
• 17:44
  say
• 17:44
  that
• 17:45
  this
• 17:46
  death
• 17:46
  wish,
• 17:46
  this
• 17:47
  wish
• 17:48
  not
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  be
• 17:50
  is
• 17:50
  actually
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  profound
• 17:53
  intuition
• 17:54
  of
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  heart
• 17:55
  that
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  fundamental
• 17:57
  nature,
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  most,
• 17:58
  the
• 17:59
  ground,
• 18:00
  fundamental
• 18:01
  ground
• 18:01
  of
• 18:02
  being
• 18:02
  is
• 18:02
  a
• 18:03
  non
• 18:03
  being.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  so
• 18:05
  it's
• 18:05
  an
• 18:05
  attraction
• 18:06
  to
• 18:06
  be
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  most
• 18:07
  fundamental
• 18:08
  ground.
• 18:08
  Right?
• 18:10
  R
• 18:10
  mentioned
• 18:11
  that
• 18:11
  in
• 18:11
  his
• 18:11
  poetry
• 18:12
  a
• 18:12
  lot.
• 18:13
  For
• 18:13
  wanting
• 18:13
  to
• 18:14
  die
• 18:14
  in
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  beloved
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  disappear
• 18:16
  and
• 18:17
  be
• 18:17
  gone.
• 18:18
  Only
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  beloved
• 18:19
  is.
• 18:19
  But
• 18:20
  you're
• 18:20
  connecting
• 18:20
  in
• 18:21
  now
• 18:22
  not
• 18:22
  just
• 18:22
  with
• 18:22
  that,
• 18:23
  with
• 18:23
  the
• 18:24
  fact
• 18:24
  that
• 18:24
  it's
• 18:25
  also
• 18:25
  connected
• 18:26
  with
• 18:26
  the
• 18:26
  fact
• 18:26
  about
• 18:26
  the
• 18:27
  nature
• 18:27
  of
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  beloved,
• 18:28
  that
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  beloved
• 18:29
  has
• 18:29
  a
• 18:29
  side
• 18:30
  of
• 18:30
  it
• 18:30
  which
• 18:30
  is
• 18:31
  completely
• 18:32
  non
• 18:32
  being,
• 18:33
  which
• 18:33
  is.
• 18:33
  It
• 18:34
  is
• 18:34
  both
• 18:34
  being
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  non
• 18:35
  being.
• 18:36
  The
• 18:36
  non
• 18:36
  being
• 18:37
  side
• 18:37
  is
• 18:38
  what
• 18:38
  dissolves
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  consciousness.
• 18:40
  Ultimately
• 18:40
  it's
• 18:41
  responsible
• 18:42
  for
• 18:42
  cessation.
• 18:45
  Actually
• 18:45
  the
• 18:45
  word
• 18:46
  cessation
• 18:47
  was
• 18:47
  used
• 18:48
  probably
• 18:48
  first
• 18:49
  by
• 18:49
  Freud,
• 18:50
  not
• 18:50
  Freud
• 18:50
  by
• 18:50
  Buddha,
• 18:51
  Sakyamuni,
• 18:52
  Buddha
• 18:53
  because
• 18:53
  he
• 18:54
  went
• 18:54
  through
• 18:54
  all
• 18:55
  the
• 18:55
  stages
• 18:55
  that
• 18:56
  he
• 18:56
  learned
• 18:56
  from
• 18:57
  Hindu
• 18:57
  masters
• 18:59
  and,
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  know,
• 19:00
  universal
• 19:01
  consciousness,
• 19:01
  universal
• 19:02
  space,
• 19:03
  all
• 19:03
  that.
• 19:03
  And
• 19:04
  then
• 19:04
  he
• 19:04
  said
• 19:04
  that
• 19:04
  didn't
• 19:05
  do
• 19:05
  it
• 19:05
  for
• 19:05
  him.
• 19:05
  And
• 19:06
  then
• 19:06
  he
• 19:06
  went
• 19:06
  into
• 19:07
  something.
• 19:08
  He
• 19:08
  called
• 19:09
  it
• 19:10
  emptiness.
• 19:10
  He
• 19:10
  brought
• 19:11
  in
• 19:11
  emptiness.
• 19:12
  But
• 19:12
  what
• 19:12
  is
• 19:12
  emptiness?
• 19:13
  Emptiness,
• 19:14
  later
• 19:15
  in
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  beginning
• 19:16
  is
• 19:16
  no
• 19:16
  self.
• 19:17
  Right
• 19:18
  at
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  beginning,
• 19:19
  no
• 19:19
  self.
• 19:20
  But
• 19:20
  later
• 19:21
  on,
• 19:21
  as
• 19:21
  Mahayana
• 19:22
  developed,
• 19:23
  is
• 19:24
  that
• 19:25
  emptiness
• 19:25
  in
• 19:25
  the
• 19:26
  non
• 19:26
  beingness
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  the
• 19:28
  Buddha
• 19:28
  nature?
• 19:29
  Now,
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  Buddha
• 19:30
  nature
• 19:31
  is
• 19:31
  not
• 19:31
  just
• 19:32
  the
• 19:32
  nature
• 19:32
  of
• 19:33
  everything,
• 19:33
  but
• 19:34
  it
• 19:34
  also
• 19:34
  has
• 19:35
  a
• 19:35
  side
• 19:35
  of
• 19:35
  it
• 19:35
  which
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:36
  called
• 19:36
  emptiness.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:38
  that
• 19:38
  Tibetan
• 19:39
  called
• 19:39
  it
• 19:40
  absence
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  inherent
• 19:41
  existence.
• 19:42
  What
• 19:42
  is
• 19:42
  absence
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  inherent
• 19:43
  existence?
• 19:44
  Non
• 19:44
  being.
• 19:44
  But
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  non
• 19:45
  being,
• 19:46
  according
• 19:46
  to
• 19:47
  this
• 19:47
  book,
• 19:48
  that
• 19:48
  is
• 19:48
  so
• 19:48
  powerful
• 19:49
  that
• 19:49
  it
• 19:50
  penetrates
• 19:50
  absolutely
• 19:51
  everything
• 19:52
  at
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  most
• 19:53
  powerful
• 19:53
  force.
• 19:54
  In
• 19:54
  reality,
• 19:56
  it
• 19:57
  is
• 19:57
  like
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  fuel
• 19:58
  for
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  dynamism
• 19:59
  of
• 19:59
  consciousness.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:02
  Hameed,
• 20:02
  I
• 20:03
  found
• 20:03
  myself
• 20:03
  wondering
• 20:04
  as
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  was
• 20:04
  reading
• 20:05
  this
• 20:05
  chapter
• 20:05
  on
• 20:05
  the
• 20:06
  death
• 20:06
  wish,
• 20:07
  if
• 20:07
  there
• 20:07
  weren't
• 20:07
  several
• 20:08
  motives
• 20:08
  at
• 20:08
  work.
• 20:09
  You
• 20:09
  speak
• 20:10
  specifically
• 20:11
  and
• 20:12
  most
• 20:12
  fundamentally
• 20:13
  and
• 20:13
  novelly,
• 20:14
  I
• 20:14
  think
• 20:15
  in
• 20:15
  a
• 20:15
  way
• 20:15
  I
• 20:15
  haven't
• 20:15
  seen
• 20:16
  anywhere
• 20:16
  else
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  this
• 20:18
  desire
• 20:19
  for
• 20:19
  non
• 20:20
  being
• 20:20
  being.
• 20:21
  A
• 20:21
  fundamental
• 20:22
  reflection,
• 20:22
  expression
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  deepest
• 20:24
  ground
• 20:24
  of
• 20:24
  being,
• 20:24
  as
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  just
• 20:25
  said.
• 20:26
  But
• 20:26
  as
• 20:26
  I.
• 20:27
  It
• 20:27
  took
• 20:27
  me
• 20:27
  a
• 20:28
  while
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  get
• 20:29
  what
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  were
• 20:29
  talking
• 20:30
  about.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:31
  when
• 20:31
  I
• 20:31
  did,
• 20:31
  and
• 20:31
  then
• 20:31
  I
• 20:32
  began
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  feel
• 20:32
  into
• 20:33
  this
• 20:33
  desire
• 20:34
  for
• 20:34
  non
• 20:34
  being.
• 20:35
  It
• 20:35
  also
• 20:36
  feels
• 20:36
  like
• 20:38
  that
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  separate
• 20:39
  self,
• 20:39
  any
• 20:39
  separate
• 20:40
  self,
• 20:40
  senses
• 20:40
  a
• 20:41
  kind
• 20:41
  of
• 20:41
  contraction
• 20:42
  tension.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:43
  that
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  just
• 20:45
  let
• 20:45
  go
• 20:46
  into
• 20:46
  being
• 20:48
  is
• 20:49
  just
• 20:49
  a
• 20:50
  wonderful
• 20:50
  release
• 20:51
  and
• 20:51
  relaxation.
• 20:52
  So
• 20:52
  I
• 20:52
  wondered
• 20:53
  if
• 20:53
  that
• 20:53
  was
• 20:53
  also
• 20:54
  is
• 20:54
  also.
• 20:55
  It
• 20:55
  is
• 20:55
  an
• 20:55
  ecstatic
• 20:57
  kind
• 20:57
  of
• 20:58
  dying.
• 20:59
  But
• 20:59
  that's
• 21:00
  not
• 21:00
  the
• 21:00
  end
• 21:00
  of
• 21:00
  the
• 21:00
  story.
• 21:01
  It
• 21:01
  doesn't
• 21:01
  end
• 21:02
  annihilation
• 21:03
  into
• 21:03
  love.
• 21:04
  Yeah,
• 21:04
  yeah,
• 21:05
  the
• 21:05
  nihility
• 21:06
  love
• 21:06
  is.
• 21:07
  I
• 21:07
  mean,
• 21:07
  there
• 21:08
  are
• 21:08
  many
• 21:09
  forms.
• 21:09
  It's
• 21:10
  happened.
• 21:10
  I
• 21:10
  mean,
• 21:11
  I
• 21:11
  had
• 21:11
  many
• 21:12
  forms
• 21:12
  of
• 21:12
  experience
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  I
• 21:13
  know
• 21:14
  many
• 21:14
  people
• 21:14
  and
• 21:15
  many
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  my
• 21:16
  students
• 21:16
  and
• 21:16
  many
• 21:16
  people
• 21:16
  I
• 21:17
  read
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  nihilism
• 21:19
  love,
• 21:19
  what
• 21:19
  happens
• 21:20
  in
• 21:20
  many
• 21:20
  ways,
• 21:21
  you
• 21:21
  know,
• 21:21
  it
• 21:22
  can
• 21:22
  happen
• 21:22
  in
• 21:23
  ecstasy.
• 21:24
  It
• 21:24
  can't
• 21:24
  happen.
• 21:24
  It
• 21:25
  could
• 21:25
  be
• 21:26
  fear
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  terror
• 21:27
  and
• 21:27
  then
• 21:28
  letting
• 21:28
  go
• 21:28
  and
• 21:29
  then
• 21:29
  just
• 21:30
  buff
• 21:31
  and
• 21:32
  everything
• 21:32
  is
• 21:32
  gone.
• 21:33
  It
• 21:33
  could
• 21:33
  be
• 21:35
  smooth,
• 21:36
  melting
• 21:37
  away,
• 21:38
  sort
• 21:39
  of
• 21:39
  dispersing
• 21:40
  until
• 21:41
  nothing
• 21:41
  left
• 21:42
  but
• 21:42
  the
• 21:43
  beloved.
• 21:45
  And
• 21:45
  there
• 21:46
  are
• 21:46
  many
• 21:46
  ways.
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  mean,
• 21:47
  some
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  them
• 21:47
  are.
• 21:48
  There's
• 21:48
  love
• 21:49
  there.
• 21:49
  Love
• 21:49
  helps
• 21:50
  a
• 21:50
  lot.
• 21:50
  If
• 21:51
  somebody
• 21:51
  has
• 21:51
  an
• 21:51
  experience,
• 21:52
  knows
• 21:52
  love,
• 21:53
  heart
• 21:53
  is
• 21:53
  open.
• 21:54
  Love.
• 21:56
  People
• 21:56
  relax
• 21:57
  more
• 21:57
  when
• 21:57
  there's
• 21:58
  love.
• 21:59
  So
• 21:59
  the
• 22:00
  consciousness
• 22:01
  to
• 22:01
  let
• 22:02
  go
• 22:02
  and
• 22:02
  relax
• 22:03
  in
• 22:03
  the
• 22:03
  presence
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  love.
• 22:05
  So
• 22:05
  that's
• 22:05
  why
• 22:06
  the
• 22:07
  secret
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  path
• 22:09
  of
• 22:09
  love
• 22:10
  is
• 22:10
  not
• 22:11
  to
• 22:12
  stop.
• 22:13
  Because
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  difficulties
• 22:14
  to
• 22:15
  increase
• 22:15
  one's
• 22:16
  love
• 22:17
  for
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  love
• 22:17
  to
• 22:18
  intensify
• 22:19
  toward
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  beloved.
• 22:21
  The
• 22:21
  intensification,
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  deepening
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  expansion
• 22:24
  of
• 22:25
  love
• 22:25
  is
• 22:25
  the
• 22:26
  fuel
• 22:26
  that
• 22:26
  moves
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  process
• 22:27
  along.
• 22:28
  Move
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  individual
• 22:30
  lover
• 22:31
  to
• 22:32
  greater
• 22:32
  toward
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  beloved
• 22:34
  closer
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  that
• 22:37
  all
• 22:37
  the
• 22:37
  way
• 22:37
  to
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  ranger
• 22:39
  of
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  individual.
• 22:40
  So
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  there's
• 22:41
  only
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  beloved
• 22:42
  which
• 22:43
  turn
• 22:43
  out
• 22:43
  to
• 22:43
  be
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  nature
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  all
• 22:44
  reality.
• 22:46
  And
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  talk
• 22:47
  about
• 22:47
  in
• 22:47
  the
• 22:48
  beginning
• 22:48
  it's
• 22:48
  dualistic
• 22:49
  because
• 22:49
  there's
• 22:50
  a
• 22:50
  lover
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  the
• 22:50
  beloved.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:52
  so
• 22:52
  there
• 22:52
  this
• 22:52
  dance
• 22:53
  back
• 22:53
  and
• 22:53
  forth
• 22:54
  until
• 22:54
  finally
• 22:55
  we
• 22:55
  get
• 22:55
  to
• 22:55
  this
• 22:55
  point
• 22:56
  of
• 22:56
  this
• 22:56
  desire
• 22:56
  for
• 22:57
  cessation.
• 22:57
  It's
• 22:57
  like
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  lover
• 22:58
  just
• 22:58
  doesn't
• 22:59
  want
• 22:59
  anything.
• 23:00
  You
• 23:00
  know
• 23:01
  all
• 23:01
  that
• 23:01
  stuff
• 23:02
  that
• 23:02
  is
• 23:02
  the
• 23:03
  self
• 23:03
  or
• 23:03
  the
• 23:04
  just
• 23:04
  to
• 23:04
  go
• 23:05
  away
• 23:05
  and
• 23:06
  become
• 23:07
  one
• 23:07
  with
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  beloved.
• 23:08
  To
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  point
• 23:09
  that
• 23:09
  the
• 23:10
  mind
• 23:10
  closes
• 23:10
  down
• 23:11
  and
• 23:11
  there's
• 23:11
  no
• 23:11
  one
• 23:12
  doesn't
• 23:12
  understand
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  difference
• 23:13
  between
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  beloved
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  lover
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  this
• 23:15
  and
• 23:16
  that
• 23:16
  it's
• 23:17
  all
• 23:17
  just.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:18
  it
• 23:18
  takes
• 23:18
  away
• 23:19
  all
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  mental
• 23:19
  objectifications
• 23:20
  of
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  beloved
• 23:21
  in
• 23:21
  love.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:22
  then
• 23:22
  there's
• 23:22
  just
• 23:23
  that
• 23:23
  there's
• 23:23
  just
• 23:24
  love
• 23:24
  and
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  two
• 23:25
  sidedness
• 23:26
  is
• 23:26
  gone.
• 23:26
  It's
• 23:26
  all
• 23:26
  just
• 23:28
  one
• 23:28
  thing.
• 23:28
  Yeah.
• 23:30
  Unity
• 23:30
  then
• 23:31
  just
• 23:31
  one
• 23:32
  thing.
• 23:32
  Not
• 23:32
  just
• 23:33
  unity.
• 23:33
  Singlehood.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  mean
• 23:35
  that's
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  full
• 23:37
  union
• 23:38
  of
• 23:38
  the
• 23:38
  beloved
• 23:39
  is
• 23:40
  seeing
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  singlehood
• 23:42
  that
• 23:43
  there's
• 23:43
  nothing
• 23:44
  else.
• 23:45
  Not
• 23:45
  only
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  lover
• 23:46
  is
• 23:46
  gone,
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  whole
• 23:47
  universe
• 23:48
  is
• 23:48
  gone.
• 23:49
  Only
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  beloved
• 23:50
  is
• 23:52
  single
• 23:53
  with
• 23:53
  no
• 23:54
  other.
• 23:54
  And
• 23:55
  not
• 23:55
  a
• 23:55
  single
• 23:56
  unrelated
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  any
• 23:57
  other.
• 23:58
  Complete
• 23:59
  singularity.
• 24:01
  Complete
• 24:01
  good.
• 24:03
  And
• 24:04
  it's
• 24:04
  an
• 24:04
  amazing
• 24:05
  condition
• 24:05
  to
• 24:05
  know
• 24:06
  and
• 24:06
  experience
• 24:06
  that.
• 24:08
  It
• 24:08
  sounds
• 24:08
  great.
• 24:09
  You
• 24:09
  said
• 24:09
  here
• 24:09
  that
• 24:09
  love
• 24:10
  is
• 24:10
  always
• 24:10
  trying
• 24:11
  to
• 24:11
  end
• 24:11
  the
• 24:11
  separation.
• 24:12
  In
• 24:12
  other
• 24:12
  words,
• 24:13
  this
• 24:13
  whole
• 24:13
  thing
• 24:13
  that's
• 24:14
  that's
• 24:14
  guiding
• 24:14
  this
• 24:15
  whole
• 24:15
  journey
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  the
• 24:15
  path
• 24:15
  of
• 24:16
  love
• 24:16
  is
• 24:17
  finally
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  get
• 24:18
  us
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  point
• 24:19
  where
• 24:20
  there's
• 24:20
  as
• 24:20
  you're
• 24:21
  saying
• 24:21
  is
• 24:21
  unity.
• 24:21
  That's
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  purpose
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  journey.
• 24:23
  But
• 24:23
  that's
• 24:24
  not
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  end
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  it
• 24:24
  either.
• 24:25
  No,
• 24:25
  no.
• 24:26
  Union
• 24:27
  is
• 24:27
  what
• 24:28
  drive
• 24:28
  the
• 24:29
  soul
• 24:29
  or
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  consciousness
• 24:31
  to
• 24:31
  move
• 24:32
  closer
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  beloved.
• 24:33
  To
• 24:33
  want
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  beloved.
• 24:34
  And.
• 24:35
  And
• 24:35
  also
• 24:35
  the
• 24:35
  lover
• 24:36
  doesn't
• 24:36
  know
• 24:36
  who
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  beloved
• 24:37
  is.
• 24:37
  Usually
• 24:38
  you
• 24:38
  have
• 24:38
  no
• 24:38
  idea.
• 24:39
  You
• 24:39
  know
• 24:39
  you
• 24:40
  love
• 24:40
  something.
• 24:42
  Depth
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  heart
• 24:42
  knows
• 24:43
  there's
• 24:43
  something
• 24:43
  some
• 24:44
  beloved
• 24:44
  I
• 24:44
  want.
• 24:45
  And
• 24:46
  it
• 24:46
  is
• 24:46
  not
• 24:46
  any
• 24:46
  of
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  things
• 24:47
  I
• 24:47
  see
• 24:47
  and
• 24:47
  feel
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  know.
• 24:49
  Yes,
• 24:49
  but
• 24:50
  there
• 24:51
  is
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  deep
• 24:51
  intuition
• 24:52
  that
• 24:52
  resides
• 24:53
  in
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  heart.
• 24:54
  Every
• 24:54
  human
• 24:55
  being
• 24:55
  you
• 24:56
  see
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  get
• 24:57
  misinterpreted
• 24:58
  usually
• 24:58
  in
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  ego
• 24:59
  level.
• 25:00
  I
• 25:01
  love
• 25:01
  my
• 25:01
  cell
• 25:02
  phone,
• 25:02
  I
• 25:02
  love
• 25:03
  my
• 25:03
  car.
• 25:04
  I
• 25:04
  like
• 25:04
  my
• 25:05
  wife.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  all
• 25:09
  those
• 25:10
  are
• 25:10
  basically
• 25:11
  offshoot
• 25:11
  of
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  real
• 25:12
  beloved.
• 25:13
  You
• 25:13
  know.
• 25:13
  Ye.
• 25:14
  As
• 25:14
  we
• 25:14
  discuss
• 25:14
  later
• 25:15
  till
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  end
• 25:15
  of
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  book.
• 25:17
  But
• 25:17
  at
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  beginning
• 25:18
  there
• 25:18
  need
• 25:19
  to
• 25:19
  be
• 25:19
  unification
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  heart
• 25:21
  which
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  letting
• 25:22
  go
• 25:22
  of
• 25:24
  having
• 25:24
  many
• 25:24
  beloved.
• 25:25
  So
• 25:25
  it
• 25:25
  becomes
• 25:26
  only
• 25:26
  singularly
• 25:27
  just
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  beloved.
• 25:28
  This
• 25:28
  mysterious
• 25:29
  beloved
• 25:29
  that
• 25:30
  I
• 25:30
  don't
• 25:30
  know.
• 25:31
  I
• 25:31
  know
• 25:31
  that
• 25:31
  I
• 25:32
  long
• 25:32
  for
• 25:33
  so
• 25:33
  deeply
• 25:34
  that
• 25:34
  I
• 25:35
  can't.
• 25:35
  I
• 25:35
  won't
• 25:36
  rest
• 25:36
  until
• 25:37
  I.
• 25:37
  But
• 25:37
  in
• 25:38
  the
• 25:38
  beginning
• 25:38
  you
• 25:38
  talk
• 25:39
  about
• 25:39
  how
• 25:40
  outer
• 25:40
  loves,
• 25:40
  say
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  great
• 25:41
  Romeo
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  Juliet,
• 25:42
  great
• 25:43
  romantic
• 25:43
  love
• 25:43
  like
• 25:44
  that
• 25:44
  is
• 25:45
  actually
• 25:45
  functions
• 25:46
  as
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  doorway.
• 25:47
  It's
• 25:47
  not
• 25:47
  a
• 25:47
  bad
• 25:47
  thing.
• 25:48
  It's
• 25:48
  the
• 25:48
  beginning
• 25:49
  of
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  journey
• 25:50
  leading.
• 25:50
  What
• 25:51
  you
• 25:51
  were
• 25:51
  just
• 25:51
  talking
• 25:51
  about
• 25:52
  there
• 25:52
  is
• 25:52
  that
• 25:53
  only
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  beloved
• 25:54
  matters.
• 25:54
  I
• 25:55
  mean,
• 25:56
  in
• 25:56
  my
• 25:56
  case
• 25:56
  that
• 25:57
  happened.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  fell
• 25:58
  in
• 25:59
  love
• 25:59
  several
• 25:59
  times.
• 26:00
  Some
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  them
• 26:01
  were
• 26:01
  unfulfilled
• 26:02
  love,
• 26:02
  which
• 26:03
  made
• 26:03
  me
• 26:03
  just
• 26:03
  go
• 26:04
  inwards
• 26:05
  and
• 26:05
  my
• 26:05
  love
• 26:06
  move
• 26:06
  inward.
• 26:06
  Instead
• 26:07
  of,
• 26:07
  you
• 26:08
  know,
• 26:08
  just
• 26:09
  wallowing
• 26:10
  in
• 26:10
  my
• 26:10
  loss,
• 26:11
  I
• 26:12
  moved
• 26:12
  inward
• 26:13
  and
• 26:14
  inward
• 26:14
  to
• 26:15
  another
• 26:16
  beloved
• 26:16
  much
• 26:17
  greater
• 26:18
  mysterious.
• 26:19
  And
• 26:19
  it's
• 26:20
  like
• 26:20
  a
• 26:20
  dynamic
• 26:21
  that
• 26:21
  is
• 26:22
  possible
• 26:22
  for
• 26:23
  any
• 26:23
  human
• 26:24
  soul
• 26:24
  that
• 26:25
  is
• 26:25
  natural
• 26:26
  and
• 26:26
  universal
• 26:27
  and
• 26:28
  becomes
• 26:28
  active
• 26:29
  for
• 26:29
  some
• 26:29
  people
• 26:30
  so.
• 26:31
  And
• 26:31
  active
• 26:31
  in
• 26:32
  different
• 26:33
  kind
• 26:33
  of
• 26:34
  degrees
• 26:35
  of
• 26:35
  strength
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  power.
• 26:36
  When
• 26:37
  it
• 26:37
  really
• 26:37
  becomes
• 26:38
  active
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  operates
• 26:39
  in
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  human
• 26:40
  consciousness,
• 26:41
  it's
• 26:42
  unstoppable,
• 26:43
  it's
• 26:43
  powerful.
• 26:44
  And
• 26:44
  one
• 26:45
  thing,
• 26:45
  one
• 26:45
  kind
• 26:46
  that
• 26:46
  I
• 26:46
  don't
• 26:47
  mention
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  this
• 26:47
  book,
• 26:48
  none
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  my
• 26:49
  books,
• 26:49
  is
• 26:49
  that
• 26:50
  there's
• 26:50
  one
• 26:50
  kind
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  love
• 26:51
  that
• 26:52
  shows
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  essence
• 26:53
  of
• 26:53
  love,
• 26:54
  which
• 26:54
  is
• 26:54
  that
• 26:55
  in
• 26:55
  it.
• 26:56
  Because
• 26:56
  love,
• 26:57
  when
• 26:57
  you
• 26:58
  love
• 26:58
  somebody,
• 26:59
  you
• 26:59
  have
• 26:59
  a
• 26:59
  desire
• 27:00
  to
• 27:00
  be
• 27:00
  near
• 27:00
  them.
• 27:01
  You
• 27:02
  have
• 27:02
  a
• 27:02
  wanting
• 27:03
  to
• 27:03
  be
• 27:03
  near
• 27:03
  them.
• 27:04
  And
• 27:04
  many
• 27:06
  spiritualization,
• 27:06
  they
• 27:07
  think
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  desire,
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  wanting
• 27:08
  is
• 27:08
  an
• 27:09
  obstacle.
• 27:09
  And
• 27:10
  it
• 27:10
  is.
• 27:11
  However,
• 27:12
  there
• 27:12
  is
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  kind
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  love
• 27:13
  where
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  wanting
• 27:15
  is
• 27:15
  pleasurable,
• 27:16
  not
• 27:16
  painful.
• 27:17
  The
• 27:17
  pleasurable
• 27:19
  is
• 27:20
  wanting
• 27:21
  out
• 27:21
  of
• 27:21
  love
• 27:22
  is
• 27:22
  just
• 27:23
  as
• 27:23
  ecstatic
• 27:24
  as
• 27:24
  loving
• 27:25
  itself.
• 27:26
  So
• 27:27
  one
• 27:27
  thing
• 27:27
  becomes
• 27:28
  pleasurable
• 27:29
  and
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  don't
• 27:30
  want
• 27:30
  it
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  end.
• 27:31
  It's
• 27:31
  not
• 27:31
  like
• 27:31
  you
• 27:31
  want
• 27:32
  fulfilled.
• 27:32
  No.
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  want
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  so
• 27:34
  much.
• 27:34
  The
• 27:34
  wanting
• 27:35
  itself
• 27:35
  feels
• 27:36
  good.
• 27:36
  People
• 27:37
  don't.
• 27:38
  It's
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  essence
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  love,
• 27:39
  but
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:40
  hidden.
• 27:41
  Most
• 27:41
  people
• 27:41
  don't
• 27:41
  know
• 27:42
  that
• 27:42
  level
• 27:42
  of
• 27:42
  love
• 27:43
  that
• 27:44
  where
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  wanting
• 27:45
  or
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  desire
• 27:47
  doesn't
• 27:47
  feel
• 27:47
  bad.
• 27:48
  Doesn't
• 27:48
  feel
• 27:48
  like.
• 27:50
  It's
• 27:50
  like
• 27:51
  I
• 27:51
  want
• 27:51
  to
• 27:51
  continue
• 27:52
  wanting
• 27:52
  forever.
• 27:53
  That's
• 27:53
  how
• 27:54
  it
• 27:54
  feels.
• 27:54
  That's
• 27:54
  right.
• 27:54
  Something
• 27:55
  feels
• 27:55
  so
• 27:55
  good.
• 27:59
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  The
• 27:59
  language
• 27:59
  of
• 28:00
  poetry,
• 28:00
  love
• 28:00
  poetry
• 28:01
  always
• 28:01
  talk
• 28:01
  about
• 28:01
  this.
• 28:02
  Love
• 28:02
  is
• 28:02
  forever.
• 28:02
  You
• 28:03
  know
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  Beatles,
• 28:03
  God
• 28:03
  that
• 28:04
  most
• 28:04
  of
• 28:04
  60%
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  their
• 28:05
  songs
• 28:06
  were
• 28:06
  about
• 28:06
  love
• 28:06
  and
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  incredible
• 28:08
  desire.
• 28:08
  Most
• 28:09
  of
• 28:09
  our
• 28:09
  songs
• 28:10
  to
• 28:10
  all
• 28:10
  of
• 28:11
  human
• 28:11
  races
• 28:12
  is
• 28:12
  mostly
• 28:13
  about
• 28:13
  love.
• 28:14
  If
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  know
• 28:14
  love
• 28:15
  is
• 28:15
  a
• 28:15
  big
• 28:15
  deal
• 28:15
  for
• 28:16
  you.
• 28:16
  It
• 28:16
  is.
• 28:18
  Regardless
• 28:19
  of
• 28:19
  how
• 28:19
  much
• 28:19
  violence
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  hated
• 28:21
  and
• 28:21
  all
• 28:21
  of
• 28:21
  that
• 28:21
  we
• 28:21
  see
• 28:21
  around
• 28:22
  us.
• 28:23
  Love
• 28:23
  is
• 28:23
  still
• 28:24
  a
• 28:24
  powerful
• 28:25
  Thing.
• 28:26
  I
• 28:26
  mean,
• 28:26
  it
• 28:27
  might
• 28:27
  appear
• 28:28
  as
• 28:29
  somebody
• 28:29
  who
• 28:30
  is
• 28:30
  sort
• 28:30
  of
• 28:30
  prejudiced.
• 28:31
  They
• 28:31
  love
• 28:31
  their
• 28:32
  gun
• 28:32
  and
• 28:33
  they
• 28:33
  even
• 28:33
  kiss
• 28:34
  it
• 28:35
  and
• 28:35
  try.
• 28:35
  Caress
• 28:36
  it
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  polish
• 28:38
  it
• 28:38
  and
• 28:39
  kiss
• 28:39
  it
• 28:39
  and
• 28:40
  hold
• 28:40
  it.
• 28:41
  That's
• 28:41
  love,
• 28:42
  except
• 28:42
  it's,
• 28:43
  you
• 28:43
  know,
• 28:43
  the
• 28:44
  object
• 28:44
  is
• 28:44
  not
• 28:45
  the
• 28:45
  real
• 28:45
  thing.
• 28:46
  It's
• 28:46
  under
• 28:48
  love.
• 28:48
  It's
• 28:48
  not
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  beloved.
• 28:50
  Yeah.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:50
  to
• 28:50
  me
• 28:51
  here,
• 28:51
  it
• 28:51
  feels
• 28:52
  here
• 28:52
  like
• 28:52
  Ken
• 28:53
  Wilber's
• 28:53
  concept
• 28:54
  of
• 28:54
  substitute
• 28:55
  gratifications
• 28:56
  really
• 28:57
  is
• 28:57
  central.
• 28:58
  And
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  mentioned
• 28:59
  something.
• 29:00
  You
• 29:00
  mentioned
• 29:00
  something
• 29:01
  really
• 29:01
  important
• 29:01
  in
• 29:02
  passing,
• 29:02
  that
• 29:03
  for
• 29:04
  most
• 29:04
  people,
• 29:05
  when
• 29:05
  one
• 29:05
  love
• 29:05
  doesn't
• 29:06
  object,
• 29:07
  doesn't
• 29:07
  work,
• 29:07
  they
• 29:07
  just
• 29:07
  grasp
• 29:08
  for
• 29:08
  another.
• 29:09
  But
• 29:09
  for
• 29:10
  some,
• 29:10
  as
• 29:11
  with
• 29:11
  you,
• 29:11
  there
• 29:11
  was
• 29:11
  a
• 29:12
  turning
• 29:12
  inward
• 29:13
  and
• 29:13
  this
• 29:14
  path
• 29:14
  of
• 29:14
  love
• 29:14
  opened.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:15
  do
• 29:15
  you
• 29:16
  have
• 29:16
  any
• 29:16
  sense
• 29:16
  of
• 29:17
  why
• 29:17
  some
• 29:18
  people
• 29:18
  are
• 29:19
  open
• 29:19
  to
• 29:19
  that,
• 29:20
  available
• 29:21
  to
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  call
• 29:22
  of
• 29:22
  the
• 29:22
  path
• 29:22
  of
• 29:22
  love?
• 29:23
  And
• 29:23
  others
• 29:23
  just
• 29:23
  keep
• 29:24
  substitute
• 29:24
  gratification
• 29:25
  after
• 29:25
  gratification?
• 29:27
  Well,
• 29:27
  I
• 29:27
  don't
• 29:28
  know
• 29:28
  if
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  understand
• 29:29
  the
• 29:29
  whole
• 29:29
  answer
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  this.
• 29:30
  I
• 29:31
  know
• 29:31
  some
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  it
• 29:32
  is.
• 29:32
  Part
• 29:32
  of
• 29:33
  it
• 29:33
  is.
• 29:34
  Most
• 29:34
  people
• 29:35
  have
• 29:35
  a
• 29:36
  great
• 29:36
  deal
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  negative
• 29:38
  conditioning.
• 29:39
  I
• 29:39
  mean,
• 29:40
  imprints
• 29:40
  from
• 29:41
  the
• 29:41
  past
• 29:42
  where
• 29:42
  they
• 29:42
  don't
• 29:43
  let
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  heart
• 29:44
  open
• 29:44
  more
• 29:44
  fully
• 29:45
  because
• 29:45
  it's
• 29:46
  too
• 29:46
  painful
• 29:47
  or
• 29:47
  too
• 29:47
  scary.
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  think
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:48
  one
• 29:49
  big
• 29:50
  reason.
• 29:51
  The
• 29:51
  other
• 29:51
  reason
• 29:52
  is
• 29:53
  that
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  dynamic,
• 29:55
  the
• 29:55
  natural
• 29:56
  dynamic
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  the
• 29:58
  soul,
• 29:58
  longing
• 29:59
  and
• 29:59
  wanting
• 30:00
  the
• 30:00
  beloved,
• 30:01
  that
• 30:01
  is
• 30:02
  unknown,
• 30:02
  formless
• 30:03
  and
• 30:03
  mysterious.
• 30:04
  It
• 30:04
  doesn't
• 30:05
  seem
• 30:05
  to
• 30:05
  arise
• 30:06
  for
• 30:06
  everybody
• 30:07
  or
• 30:07
  doesn't
• 30:08
  arise
• 30:08
  with
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  same
• 30:09
  intensity
• 30:10
  and
• 30:10
  totalness.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:11
  that
• 30:11
  one,
• 30:12
  I
• 30:12
  don't
• 30:12
  know
• 30:12
  why
• 30:13
  is
• 30:13
  it
• 30:13
  like
• 30:14
  people
• 30:15
  born
• 30:15
  differently,
• 30:17
  different
• 30:17
  destinies.
• 30:18
  But
• 30:18
  for
• 30:18
  some
• 30:19
  people,
• 30:19
  like,
• 30:19
  you
• 30:20
  know,
• 30:20
  Romi
• 30:20
  Kabir,
• 30:21
  that's
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  thing
• 30:22
  that
• 30:23
  was
• 30:23
  wrong,
• 30:23
  their
• 30:23
  life,
• 30:24
  you
• 30:24
  know,
• 30:24
  for
• 30:24
  some
• 30:25
  people,
• 30:25
  no,
• 30:25
  it's
• 30:26
  not.
• 30:27
  Well,
• 30:27
  Hameed,
• 30:28
  you've
• 30:28
  worked
• 30:28
  with
• 30:28
  so
• 30:28
  many
• 30:28
  students
• 30:29
  over
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  years.
• 30:30
  And
• 30:30
  you
• 30:30
  mentioned
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  there's.
• 30:31
  This
• 30:32
  is
• 30:32
  a
• 30:32
  path
• 30:32
  of
• 30:32
  love,
• 30:32
  but
• 30:33
  it's
• 30:33
  not
• 30:33
  the
• 30:33
  only
• 30:33
  path.
• 30:34
  There's
• 30:34
  other
• 30:35
  ways
• 30:35
  that
• 30:36
  are
• 30:36
  getting
• 30:36
  there,
• 30:36
  which
• 30:37
  is
• 30:37
  why
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  include
• 30:38
  all
• 30:38
  these
• 30:38
  different
• 30:39
  paths
• 30:39
  to
• 30:40
  ultimate
• 30:40
  realization.
• 30:41
  True
• 30:41
  nature.
• 30:42
  Am
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  getting
• 30:42
  that
• 30:43
  right?
• 30:43
  Yeah.
• 30:43
  I
• 30:43
  mean.
• 30:44
  I
• 30:44
  mean,
• 30:44
  the
• 30:44
  Indian
• 30:45
  tradition,
• 30:46
  I
• 30:46
  think,
• 30:46
  has
• 30:47
  a
• 30:47
  good
• 30:47
  way
• 30:47
  of
• 30:48
  saying
• 30:48
  it
• 30:48
  about
• 30:48
  the
• 30:49
  four
• 30:49
  kinds
• 30:50
  of
• 30:50
  yoga.
• 30:52
  Oh.
• 30:53
  Relate
• 30:53
  the
• 30:54
  heart
• 30:54
  to
• 30:54
  the
• 30:54
  mind,
• 30:55
  to
• 30:55
  the.
• 30:56
  You
• 30:56
  know,
• 30:57
  to
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  belly,
• 30:58
  you
• 30:58
  know,
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  action
• 30:59
  path
• 31:00
  of
• 31:00
  action.
• 31:00
  There
• 31:01
  are
• 31:01
  many
• 31:01
  paths
• 31:02
  toward
• 31:02
  realization
• 31:03
  of
• 31:04
  our
• 31:04
  true
• 31:05
  nature,
• 31:05
  our
• 31:06
  fundamental
• 31:07
  ground.
• 31:08
  And
• 31:08
  the
• 31:08
  path
• 31:08
  of
• 31:09
  love
• 31:09
  is
• 31:09
  one
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  them.
• 31:09
  The
• 31:10
  Bhakti
• 31:10
  path
• 31:10
  is
• 31:10
  one
• 31:11
  of
• 31:11
  them.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:11
  that
• 31:12
  is
• 31:12
  my
• 31:12
  experience.
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  experience
• 31:14
  the
• 31:15
  absolute
• 31:16
  beloved
• 31:17
  from
• 31:17
  a
• 31:17
  path
• 31:17
  of
• 31:18
  love.
• 31:18
  But
• 31:18
  I
• 31:18
  also
• 31:18
  experience
• 31:19
  other
• 31:20
  ways.
• 31:20
  Different
• 31:21
  processes
• 31:22
  also
• 31:22
  led
• 31:22
  to
• 31:23
  the
• 31:23
  same
• 31:23
  end.
• 31:24
  Amen.
• 31:25
  But
• 31:26
  each
• 31:26
  end
• 31:27
  is
• 31:27
  the
• 31:27
  same
• 31:28
  with
• 31:28
  the
• 31:29
  flavor
• 31:29
  of
• 31:30
  that
• 31:30
  path
• 31:30
  is
• 31:31
  there
• 31:31
  in
• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  pilot
• 31:32
  realization,
• 31:33
  like
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  path
• 31:35
  of
• 31:35
  love
• 31:35
  when
• 31:35
  we
• 31:36
  get
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  the
• 31:36
  beloved.
• 31:37
  The
• 31:37
  beloved
• 31:38
  is
• 31:38
  not
• 31:38
  love.
• 31:38
  The
• 31:39
  beloved
• 31:39
  is
• 31:39
  something,
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  source
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  love.
• 31:41
  But
• 31:41
  then
• 31:41
  love
• 31:42
  is
• 31:42
  there
• 31:42
  still
• 31:43
  with
• 31:43
  it.
• 31:43
  If
• 31:44
  you
• 31:44
  take
• 31:44
  the
• 31:45
  path
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  the
• 31:46
  mind
• 31:46
  or
• 31:46
  awareness,
• 31:47
  you
• 31:48
  get
• 31:48
  to
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  source,
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  get
• 31:50
  to
• 31:50
  the
• 31:52
  ultimate.
• 31:52
  However,
• 31:53
  love
• 31:53
  is
• 31:53
  not
• 31:53
  necessarily
• 31:54
  what's
• 31:55
  present.
• 31:55
  What's
• 31:55
  present
• 31:56
  is
• 31:56
  awareness,
• 31:57
  you
• 31:58
  know,
• 31:58
  or
• 31:58
  knowledge.
• 31:59
  So
• 32:00
  these
• 32:00
  different
• 32:01
  flavor
• 32:01
  depending
• 32:02
  on
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  path.
• 32:02
  But
• 32:03
  looking
• 32:03
  at
• 32:04
  it
• 32:04
  from
• 32:04
  an
• 32:04
  undual
• 32:05
  perspective,
• 32:06
  the
• 32:07
  fundamental
• 32:07
  truth,
• 32:08
  there
• 32:08
  are
• 32:09
  many
• 32:09
  paths.
• 32:09
  I
• 32:09
  mean,
• 32:10
  in
• 32:10
  fact,
• 32:10
  four
• 32:11
  kinds
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  yogas
• 32:13
  that
• 32:14
  Hindutv
• 32:14
  talks
• 32:15
  about
• 32:15
  is
• 32:16
  the
• 32:16
  same
• 32:16
  thing.
• 32:18
  The
• 32:18
  tarot,
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  four
• 32:20
  suits
• 32:21
  of
• 32:21
  the
• 32:21
  tarot.
• 32:22
  The
• 32:22
  tarot,
• 32:23
  actually
• 32:24
  the
• 32:24
  heart,
• 32:24
  the
• 32:25
  diamond,
• 32:25
  these
• 32:26
  are.
• 32:26
  Each
• 32:26
  one
• 32:27
  is
• 32:27
  really,
• 32:28
  if
• 32:28
  you
• 32:28
  understand
• 32:29
  it,
• 32:30
  there's
• 32:30
  a
• 32:30
  whole
• 32:30
  teaching,
• 32:31
  ancient
• 32:31
  teaching
• 32:31
  about
• 32:32
  each
• 32:32
  one
• 32:33
  of
• 32:33
  them
• 32:33
  tells
• 32:33
  you
• 32:34
  the
• 32:34
  stages
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  each
• 32:36
  path.
• 32:36
  Oh,
• 32:37
  thank
• 32:37
  you.
• 32:37
  I
• 32:37
  didn't
• 32:37
  know
• 32:38
  that.
• 32:38
  Yeah.
• 32:38
  And
• 32:38
  it
• 32:38
  was
• 32:38
  probably
• 32:39
  hidden
• 32:39
  like
• 32:39
  that
• 32:40
  so
• 32:40
  you
• 32:40
  wouldn't
• 32:40
  get
• 32:40
  burned
• 32:40
  at
• 32:41
  the
• 32:41
  stake
• 32:41
  for
• 32:41
  being
• 32:41
  a
• 32:42
  heretic.
• 32:42
  So
• 32:42
  they
• 32:42
  kept
• 32:43
  it.
• 32:43
  Yeah.
• 32:44
  Tarot
• 32:45
  is
• 32:45
  not
• 32:46
  to
• 32:46
  predict
• 32:47
  what's
• 32:47
  happening
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  your
• 32:48
  life.
• 32:48
  And
• 32:49
  it's
• 32:49
  not
• 32:49
  like
• 32:49
  a
• 32:49
  trilogy.
• 32:50
  It's
• 32:51
  really,
• 32:51
  if
• 32:51
  you
• 32:51
  know
• 32:52
  it,
• 32:52
  it
• 32:52
  is
• 32:52
  the
• 32:53
  kind
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  practice
• 32:54
  you
• 32:54
  can
• 32:54
  meditate
• 32:54
  on.
• 32:55
  Each
• 32:55
  card,
• 32:55
  which
• 32:56
  car,
• 32:56
  each
• 32:56
  start,
• 32:57
  each
• 32:57
  card
• 32:58
  really
• 32:58
  point
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  certain
• 32:59
  state,
• 33:00
  certain
• 33:00
  experience
• 33:02
  and.
• 33:02
  Hameed,
• 33:03
  one
• 33:03
  of
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  things
• 33:03
  that
• 33:03
  I
• 33:03
  notice
• 33:04
  is
• 33:04
  different
• 33:05
  in
• 33:05
  studying
• 33:05
  all
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  books
• 33:06
  that
• 33:06
  we've
• 33:06
  been
• 33:07
  talking
• 33:07
  about
• 33:08
  from
• 33:08
  what
• 33:09
  you're
• 33:09
  saying
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  what
• 33:10
  a
• 33:10
  lot
• 33:10
  of
• 33:10
  people
• 33:11
  say
• 33:11
  or
• 33:11
  assume
• 33:12
  is
• 33:12
  that
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  individual
• 33:14
  heart
• 33:14
  or
• 33:15
  the
• 33:15
  soul
• 33:15
  in
• 33:16
  one
• 33:16
  sense
• 33:16
  is
• 33:16
  annihilated
• 33:17
  and
• 33:18
  another
• 33:18
  sense
• 33:18
  is
• 33:19
  not.
• 33:19
  Because
• 33:20
  it
• 33:20
  is
• 33:20
  the,
• 33:21
  the
• 33:21
  heart,
• 33:21
  the
• 33:21
  individual
• 33:22
  heart
• 33:22
  is
• 33:22
  the
• 33:23
  pathway
• 33:23
  through
• 33:24
  which
• 33:24
  this
• 33:24
  realization
• 33:25
  of
• 33:26
  absolute
• 33:26
  true
• 33:26
  nature
• 33:27
  happens.
• 33:28
  And
• 33:28
  in
• 33:28
  some
• 33:28
  way
• 33:29
  it
• 33:29
  is
• 33:29
  preserved
• 33:30
  in
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  different,
• 33:31
  maybe
• 33:31
  purified,
• 33:31
  different
• 33:32
  way.
• 33:32
  But
• 33:33
  it's
• 33:33
  still
• 33:33
  there.
• 33:33
  They're
• 33:34
  still
• 33:34
  an
• 33:34
  individual.
• 33:35
  Yeah.
• 33:35
  So
• 33:36
  that
• 33:36
  annihilation
• 33:37
  is
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  step
• 33:38
  then
• 33:38
  arising
• 33:39
  from
• 33:39
  the
• 33:39
  annihilation
• 33:41
  is
• 33:41
  the
• 33:42
  relationship
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  the
• 33:44
  beloved
• 33:45
  to
• 33:45
  everything
• 33:45
  else.
• 33:46
  And
• 33:46
  then
• 33:47
  as
• 33:48
  we
• 33:49
  come
• 33:49
  out
• 33:49
  of
• 33:50
  that
• 33:51
  divine
• 33:51
  coma,
• 33:52
  call
• 33:52
  it
• 33:53
  complete
• 33:53
  cessation,
• 33:54
  completely
• 33:55
  dying.
• 33:55
  What's
• 33:56
  called
• 33:56
  divine
• 33:56
  coma,
• 33:57
  Nothing
• 33:57
  is.
• 33:58
  You
• 33:58
  don't
• 33:58
  have
• 33:59
  experience
• 33:59
  of
• 33:59
  anything
• 34:00
  where
• 34:00
  the
• 34:01
  non
• 34:01
  beingness
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  the
• 34:02
  beloved
• 34:03
  completely
• 34:03
  takes
• 34:04
  over.
• 34:04
  So
• 34:04
  there's
• 34:05
  no,
• 34:05
  as
• 34:06
  Buddhist
• 34:07
  said,
• 34:08
  that
• 34:08
  they
• 34:08
  find
• 34:09
  no
• 34:09
  perception
• 34:10
  or
• 34:10
  sensation,
• 34:11
  nothing.
• 34:12
  It's
• 34:12
  like
• 34:12
  coma.
• 34:13
  It's
• 34:13
  actually
• 34:13
  like
• 34:14
  regular
• 34:14
  coma.
• 34:15
  However,
• 34:15
  divine
• 34:16
  coma,
• 34:16
  when
• 34:16
  you
• 34:17
  wake
• 34:17
  up
• 34:17
  from
• 34:17
  it,
• 34:18
  the
• 34:18
  whole
• 34:18
  world
• 34:19
  come
• 34:19
  out
• 34:20
  ablaze
• 34:21
  and
• 34:21
  it's
• 34:21
  expression
• 34:22
  of
• 34:22
  love
• 34:23
  after
• 34:23
  that
• 34:23
  divine
• 34:24
  coma.
• 34:24
  And
• 34:25
  if
• 34:25
  I'm
• 34:25
  there,
• 34:26
  of
• 34:27
  course
• 34:27
  there
• 34:27
  is
• 34:27
  a
• 34:27
  question.
• 34:28
  Well,
• 34:28
  what
• 34:28
  does
• 34:29
  happen
• 34:29
  to
• 34:29
  living
• 34:30
  life?
• 34:31
  Who
• 34:31
  lives
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  life?
• 34:33
  It's
• 34:33
  what
• 34:34
  happens
• 34:34
  after
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  union.
• 34:37
  Latter
• 34:38
  part
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  book
• 34:38
  discusses
• 34:39
  that
• 34:40
  very
• 34:40
  much.
• 34:41
  So
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  was
• 34:42
  bringing
• 34:43
  that
• 34:43
  the
• 34:44
  heart,
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  individual
• 34:45
  heart
• 34:46
  survived,
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  mean,
• 34:47
  disappears,
• 34:48
  but
• 34:48
  comes
• 34:48
  back
• 34:49
  again
• 34:49
  fulfilled.
• 34:51
  And
• 34:51
  not
• 34:52
  only
• 34:52
  that
• 34:52
  as
• 34:52
  a
• 34:52
  source
• 34:53
  of
• 34:53
  loving
• 34:53
  other
• 34:54
  things
• 34:54
  in
• 34:54
  the
• 34:55
  world
• 34:57
  that
• 34:57
  the
• 34:58
  beloved
• 34:58
  turns
• 34:59
  out
• 34:59
  loves
• 35:00
  everybody
• 35:00
  and
• 35:00
  everything
• 35:01
  through
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  individual,
• 35:04
  doesn't
• 35:05
  just
• 35:05
  love
• 35:06
  through
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  mountain,
• 35:07
  love
• 35:07
  through
• 35:08
  the
• 35:08
  individual
• 35:09
  human
• 35:09
  heart.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:11
  maybe
• 35:11
  this
• 35:11
  is
• 35:11
  a
• 35:11
  place
• 35:12
  to
• 35:12
  bring
• 35:12
  in
• 35:12
  Hameed,
• 35:13
  the
• 35:13
  fact
• 35:13
  that
• 35:14
  to
• 35:14
  expand
• 35:14
  on
• 35:15
  a
• 35:15
  brief
• 35:16
  conversation
• 35:16
  we
• 35:17
  had
• 35:17
  a
• 35:18
  couple
• 35:18
  of
• 35:18
  dialogues
• 35:19
  ago,
• 35:20
  that
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  path
• 35:22
  you
• 35:22
  lay
• 35:22
  out,
• 35:23
  both
• 35:24
  in
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  diamond
• 35:25
  approach
• 35:26
  in
• 35:26
  general,
• 35:26
  but
• 35:27
  then
• 35:28
  also
• 35:28
  in
• 35:28
  this
• 35:29
  subset
• 35:30
  of
• 35:30
  it,
• 35:30
  the
• 35:30
  path
• 35:30
  of
• 35:31
  love,
• 35:32
  that
• 35:32
  both
• 35:33
  present
• 35:34
  a
• 35:34
  path
• 35:34
  of
• 35:35
  you
• 35:35
  called
• 35:35
  ascent
• 35:36
  and
• 35:36
  descent,
• 35:37
  or
• 35:37
  awakening
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  return.
• 35:39
  Right.
• 35:40
  Point
• 35:40
  out
• 35:40
  that
• 35:41
  in
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  Indian
• 35:41
  traditions,
• 35:42
  for
• 35:42
  example,
• 35:44
  Jainism,
• 35:45
  Buddhism,
• 35:45
  classic
• 35:46
  Hinduism,
• 35:47
  it's
• 35:47
  up
• 35:47
  and
• 35:47
  out,
• 35:48
  I'm
• 35:48
  out
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  here.
• 35:49
  But
• 35:50
  you
• 35:51
  in
• 35:51
  both
• 35:52
  dimensions
• 35:53
  of
• 35:53
  the.
• 35:53
  Or
• 35:54
  all
• 35:54
  the
• 35:54
  dimensions
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  the
• 35:55
  diamond
• 35:56
  approach,
• 35:56
  that
• 35:57
  is
• 35:57
  the
• 35:57
  only
• 35:57
  the
• 35:58
  initial
• 35:58
  step
• 35:58
  of
• 35:59
  ascent.
• 36:00
  Then
• 36:00
  in
• 36:01
  both
• 36:01
  the
• 36:02
  path
• 36:02
  of
• 36:02
  love
• 36:02
  and
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  rest
• 36:03
  of
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  diamond
• 36:04
  approach,
• 36:04
  you
• 36:04
  really
• 36:05
  emphasize
• 36:06
  a
• 36:06
  second
• 36:07
  and
• 36:07
  deeper
• 36:08
  and
• 36:09
  in
• 36:09
  some
• 36:09
  ways
• 36:10
  more
• 36:11
  fundamentally
• 36:11
  expressive.
• 36:12
  Stage
• 36:13
  and
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  more
• 36:14
  difficult
• 36:14
  part
• 36:14
  of
• 36:15
  the
• 36:15
  path.
• 36:15
  More
• 36:16
  difficult.
• 36:16
  More
• 36:16
  difficult
• 36:17
  for
• 36:17
  many
• 36:17
  people,
• 36:18
  really.
• 36:18
  Well,
• 36:19
  yeah,
• 36:20
  many
• 36:21
  paths
• 36:21
  don't
• 36:21
  deal
• 36:21
  with
• 36:22
  it
• 36:22
  because
• 36:24
  you
• 36:25
  bring
• 36:25
  back
• 36:25
  the
• 36:26
  individual
• 36:26
  in
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  way
• 36:27
  that
• 36:27
  is
• 36:28
  not
• 36:28
  a
• 36:28
  separate
• 36:28
  individual.
• 36:30
  And
• 36:30
  many
• 36:30
  teachings
• 36:31
  just
• 36:31
  don't
• 36:31
  have
• 36:32
  that
• 36:32
  view.
• 36:32
  Their
• 36:33
  view,
• 36:33
  individual
• 36:34
  means
• 36:34
  ego.
• 36:35
  So
• 36:36
  they
• 36:36
  don't
• 36:36
  know
• 36:36
  how
• 36:36
  you
• 36:36
  come
• 36:37
  back
• 36:37
  as
• 36:37
  an
• 36:37
  individual
• 36:38
  without
• 36:38
  being
• 36:38
  separate,
• 36:39
  without
• 36:39
  losing
• 36:40
  the
• 36:40
  ground.
• 36:41
  But
• 36:41
  you
• 36:42
  know,
• 36:42
  my
• 36:42
  experience
• 36:42
  and
• 36:43
  experience
• 36:43
  on
• 36:43
  this
• 36:43
  path,
• 36:44
  all
• 36:44
  the
• 36:45
  branches,
• 36:46
  is
• 36:46
  that
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  universal,
• 36:48
  the
• 36:49
  ultimate,
• 36:49
  or
• 36:49
  whatever
• 36:50
  you
• 36:50
  call
• 36:50
  it,
• 36:50
  the
• 36:51
  source
• 36:51
  or
• 36:52
  the
• 36:52
  beloved,
• 36:53
  doesn't
• 36:54
  only
• 36:55
  wake
• 36:55
  up
• 36:55
  again
• 36:56
  seeing
• 36:56
  the
• 36:57
  whole
• 36:57
  universe
• 36:58
  as
• 36:59
  its
• 36:59
  face
• 37:00
  or
• 37:00
  its
• 37:01
  outer
• 37:01
  appearance,
• 37:02
  but
• 37:02
  also
• 37:03
  lives
• 37:03
  life
• 37:03
  through
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  individual,
• 37:05
  lives
• 37:05
  life
• 37:06
  within
• 37:08
  the
• 37:08
  world.
• 37:08
  That
• 37:09
  is
• 37:09
  all
• 37:10
  expression
• 37:10
  of
• 37:10
  love
• 37:11
  with
• 37:12
  all
• 37:12
  its
• 37:12
  difficulties.
• 37:13
  Underneath
• 37:14
  it
• 37:14
  is
• 37:14
  love.
• 37:15
  Many
• 37:15
  are
• 37:15
  not
• 37:16
  aware
• 37:16
  of
• 37:16
  it,
• 37:17
  but
• 37:17
  then
• 37:18
  it's
• 37:18
  an
• 37:18
  individual
• 37:19
  who
• 37:19
  lives.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:20
  there's
• 37:21
  still
• 37:21
  work
• 37:21
  to
• 37:21
  be
• 37:21
  done
• 37:22
  after
• 37:22
  the
• 37:23
  realization,
• 37:24
  ultimate
• 37:25
  realization
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  true
• 37:26
  nature,
• 37:26
  let's
• 37:27
  say
• 37:27
  the
• 37:27
  divine
• 37:27
  coma.
• 37:28
  And
• 37:28
  when
• 37:28
  you
• 37:29
  come
• 37:29
  through
• 37:29
  that.
• 37:30
  But
• 37:30
  there's
• 37:30
  still
• 37:31
  an
• 37:31
  ego
• 37:32
  that's
• 37:32
  recognized
• 37:33
  for
• 37:33
  what
• 37:33
  it
• 37:33
  is.
• 37:33
  But
• 37:34
  it
• 37:34
  can
• 37:34
  have
• 37:34
  kinks
• 37:35
  and
• 37:35
  problems
• 37:36
  and
• 37:36
  traumas
• 37:36
  that
• 37:37
  still
• 37:37
  need
• 37:37
  to
• 37:38
  be
• 37:38
  worked
• 37:38
  on.
• 37:38
  Well,
• 37:39
  yeah,
• 37:39
  I
• 37:39
  mean,
• 37:39
  some
• 37:40
  teaching
• 37:41
  talk
• 37:41
  about,
• 37:41
  like
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  ascent
• 37:42
  and
• 37:42
  descent
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  Mount
• 37:43
  Carmel,
• 37:44
  for
• 37:44
  instance,
• 37:45
  isn't
• 37:45
  only
• 37:46
  ascent
• 37:46
  that
• 37:46
  is
• 37:46
  descent,
• 37:47
  Mount
• 37:48
  Garm,
• 37:48
  the
• 37:49
  second
• 37:49
  part
• 37:49
  of
• 37:49
  the
• 37:50
  journey,
• 37:51
  decent.
• 37:52
  You
• 37:53
  know,
• 37:53
  we
• 37:53
  discuss
• 37:53
  it
• 37:54
  more
• 37:54
  in
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  other
• 37:54
  book
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  the
• 37:55
  journey
• 37:56
  home.
• 37:57
  There
• 37:57
  in
• 37:57
  detail,
• 37:58
  I
• 37:58
  mention
• 37:58
  it
• 37:59
  some
• 37:59
  in
• 37:59
  this
• 37:59
  book,
• 38:00
  which
• 38:00
  is
• 38:01
  that
• 38:01
  the
• 38:02
  descent
• 38:02
  or
• 38:02
  the
• 38:03
  return
• 38:03
  is
• 38:04
  not
• 38:04
  a
• 38:05
  loss
• 38:06
  of
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  soul.
• 38:06
  It's
• 38:07
  not
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  loss
• 38:07
  of
• 38:07
  the
• 38:08
  realization.
• 38:09
  It
• 38:09
  is
• 38:10
  further
• 38:10
  integration
• 38:12
  of
• 38:13
  what
• 38:13
  we
• 38:13
  have
• 38:13
  let
• 38:14
  go
• 38:14
  of
• 38:15
  the
• 38:15
  thing
• 38:15
  we
• 38:16
  let
• 38:16
  the
• 38:16
  world.
• 38:17
  My
• 38:17
  mother,
• 38:18
  my
• 38:18
  beloved,
• 38:19
  my
• 38:19
  wife,
• 38:19
  my
• 38:20
  husband.
• 38:20
  Letting
• 38:21
  them
• 38:21
  all
• 38:21
  go
• 38:22
  and
• 38:22
  then
• 38:23
  all
• 38:23
  for
• 38:24
  the
• 38:24
  inner
• 38:24
  beloved.
• 38:25
  And
• 38:25
  then
• 38:25
  turns
• 38:26
  out
• 38:26
  when
• 38:26
  you
• 38:26
  are
• 38:27
  the
• 38:27
  inner
• 38:27
  beloved,
• 38:28
  you
• 38:28
  realize
• 38:28
  you
• 38:29
  love
• 38:29
  them
• 38:29
  because
• 38:29
  you
• 38:30
  were
• 38:30
  loving
• 38:30
  the
• 38:30
  inner
• 38:31
  beloved.
• 38:31
  You
• 38:31
  just
• 38:31
  didn't
• 38:32
  know
• 38:32
  you
• 38:32
  were
• 38:33
  seeing
• 38:33
  just
• 38:33
  those
• 38:34
  individuals.
• 38:35
  But
• 38:36
  they
• 38:36
  are
• 38:36
  the
• 38:36
  expression
• 38:37
  of
• 38:37
  the
• 38:37
  inner
• 38:37
  beloved.
• 38:38
  So
• 38:38
  then
• 38:38
  the
• 38:39
  individual
• 38:39
  love
• 38:39
  becomes
• 38:39
  universal.
• 38:41
  It's
• 38:41
  a
• 38:41
  love
• 38:41
  that
• 38:41
  just
• 38:42
  realizes
• 38:42
  itself
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  everything.
• 38:43
  Yeah,
• 38:44
  there
• 38:44
  is
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  universal
• 38:45
  love,
• 38:46
  which
• 38:46
  is
• 38:46
  you
• 38:46
  love
• 38:46
  everything
• 38:47
  that's
• 38:48
  natural,
• 38:49
  but
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  also
• 38:50
  love
• 38:50
  individually.
• 38:51
  You
• 38:51
  still
• 38:52
  might
• 38:52
  love
• 38:53
  your
• 38:53
  chocolate
• 38:53
  ice
• 38:54
  cream,
• 38:55
  you
• 38:56
  see,
• 38:56
  but
• 38:56
  now
• 38:57
  with
• 38:58
  a
• 38:58
  big
• 38:58
  heart,
• 38:58
  when
• 38:59
  you
• 38:59
  eat
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  chocolate
• 38:59
  ice
• 39:00
  cream,
• 39:00
  you
• 39:01
  feel
• 39:01
  the
• 39:01
  sweetness
• 39:01
  in
• 39:02
  your
• 39:02
  heart,
• 39:02
  not
• 39:03
  just
• 39:03
  in
• 39:03
  your
• 39:03
  mouth,
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  whole
• 39:06
  heart,
• 39:06
  the
• 39:06
  whole
• 39:06
  consciousness
• 39:07
  is
• 39:07
  full,
• 39:08
  filled
• 39:09
  with
• 39:09
  that
• 39:10
  kind
• 39:10
  of
• 39:11
  chocolatey
• 39:11
  sweetness.
• 39:13
  Stay
• 39:13
  tuned
• 39:14
  for
• 39:14
  part
• 39:14
  two
• 39:14
  of
• 39:14
  this
• 39:15
  conversation
• 39:15
  with
• 39:16
  A.
• 39:16
  H.
• 39:16
  Almaas,
• 39:17
  where
• 39:17
  we
• 39:17
  explore
• 39:17
  the
• 39:18
  annihilation
• 39:18
  of
• 39:19
  our
• 39:19
  individual
• 39:19
  self
• 39:20
  in
• 39:20
  the
• 39:20
  absolute
• 39:21
  love
• 39:21
  of
• 39:21
  our
• 39:21
  true
• 39:22
  nature.
• 39:22
  Then
• 39:23
  our
• 39:23
  return
• 39:23
  as
• 39:24
  an
• 39:24
  individual
• 39:24
  expression
• 39:25
  of
• 39:25
  this
• 39:25
  true
• 39:26
  nature
• 39:26
  to
• 39:26
  bless
• 39:27
  and
• 39:27
  gift
• 39:27
  the
• 39:27
  world
• 39:27
  with
• 39:28
  this
• 39:28
  realization
• 39:28
  that
• 39:29
  is
• 39:29
  as
• 39:29
  simple
• 39:29
  as
• 39:30
  it
• 39:30
  is
• 39:30
  profound.
• 39:31
  It's
• 39:31
  not
• 39:31
  a
• 39:31
  head
• 39:31
  trip,
• 39:32
  it's
• 39:32
  a
• 39:32
  trip
• 39:32
  of
• 39:32
  the
• 39:33
  heart.
• 39:34
  Thank
• 39:34
  you
• 39:34
  very
• 39:34
  much
• 39:35
  for
• 39:35
  being
• 39:35
  a
• 39:35
  part
• 39:36
  of
• 39:36
  this
• 39:36
  conversation.
• 39:37
  We
• 39:37
  hope
• 39:37
  that
• 39:37
  you
• 39:38
  were
• 39:38
  moved
• 39:38
  as
• 39:39
  we
• 39:39
  are
• 39:39
  moved,
• 39:39
  being
• 39:40
  part
• 39:40
  of
• 39:40
  it
• 39:40
  ourselves.
• 39:41
  We
• 39:41
  also
• 39:42
  like
• 39:42
  to
• 39:42
  say
• 39:42
  that
• 39:42
  this
• 39:43
  is
• 39:43
  being
• 39:43
  funded
• 39:44
  by
• 39:44
  Roger
• 39:44
  and
• 39:45
  myself.
• 39:45
  It
• 39:45
  comes
• 39:45
  out
• 39:45
  of
• 39:45
  our
• 39:46
  pockets.
• 39:46
  So
• 39:46
  if
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  would
• 39:47
  like
• 39:47
  to
• 39:47
  help
• 39:47
  us
• 39:48
  to
• 39:48
  mainly
• 39:49
  to
• 39:49
  get
• 39:49
  this
• 39:49
  podcast
• 39:50
  out
• 39:50
  to
• 39:50
  more
• 39:50
  people
• 39:51
  because
• 39:51
  the
• 39:51
  bigger
• 39:52
  audience
• 39:52
  have
• 39:52
  which
• 39:52
  is
• 39:52
  steadily
• 39:53
  growing,
• 39:53
  but
• 39:53
  the
• 39:54
  more
• 39:54
  people
• 39:54
  we
• 39:54
  can
• 39:54
  reach
• 39:55
  and
• 39:55
  the
• 39:55
  more
• 39:55
  marketing
• 39:55
  we
• 39:56
  can
• 39:56
  do,
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  more
• 39:57
  positive
• 39:57
  effect
• 39:57
  we
• 39:58
  can
• 39:58
  have
• 39:58
  on
• 39:58
  the
• 39:58
  world.
• 39:59
  So
• 39:59
  we've
• 39:59
  done
• 39:59
  done
• 39:59
  a
• 40:00
  couple
• 40:00
  of
• 40:00
  ways,
• 40:00
  but
• 40:00
  we'd
• 40:00
  like
• 40:01
  you
• 40:01
  to
• 40:01
  buy
• 40:01
  us
• 40:01
  a
• 40:02
  cup
• 40:02
  of
• 40:02
  coffee.
• 40:02
  Very
• 40:03
  simple.
• 40:03
  And
• 40:03
  I
• 40:03
  do
• 40:03
  that
• 40:04
  with
• 40:04
  podcasts
• 40:05
  that
• 40:05
  I
• 40:05
  support
• 40:06
  and
• 40:06
  I
• 40:06
  find
• 40:07
  it
• 40:07
  very
• 40:07
  satisfying.
• 40:08
  So
• 40:08
  thank
• 40:08
  you
• 40:09
  for
• 40:09
  your
• 40:09
  help,
• 40:09
  thank
• 40:10
  you
• 40:10
  for
• 40:10
  your
• 40:10
  presence
• 40:10
  and
• 40:11
  thank
• 40:11
  you
• 40:11
  for
• 40:11
  all
• 40:11
  you
• 40:12
  are
• 40:12
  and
• 40:12
  all
• 40:12
  you
• 40:13
  do.
• 40:13
  We
• 40:13
  love
• 40:13
  you.