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Ep. 359: The Evolution of our Summer Whitetail Prep · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine, and today in the show, we're catching up
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  Speaker 1: with Dan Johnson on summer trail camera work, summer scouting,
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  Speaker 1: summer preparations for the season, and a little bit fun
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  Speaker 1: in between. All Right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today is one I've
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  Speaker 1: been looking forward to for weeks now. Um, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about summer white tail prep. We're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 1: trail cameras and scouting and Velvet bucks and all good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the kind of thing you know, you get
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  Speaker 1: to hear on a weekly basis on this podcast other podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: But what you don't get to hear is often, especially
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  Speaker 1: anymore now that we're busy fathers and business owners and
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  Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff we got going on. What you
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  Speaker 1: don't get to hear as much is what I need
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  Speaker 1: more in my life. It's Dan Johnson and Mark Kenyon
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  Speaker 1: talking about stupid stuff like peanut butter and kids and
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  Speaker 1: who knows what else Have we ever talked about peanut
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  Speaker 1: butter before? For sure? I'm pretty sure. For some reason,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of some kind of weird kids store with
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  Speaker 1: peanut butter. Do you have? Isn't there something like your
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  Speaker 1: kids were doing with peanut butter? Or maybe maybe think
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  Speaker 1: of the dog food one, the one time you open
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  Speaker 1: up a can of dog food and thought it was
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  Speaker 1: human food and eata that one? Maybe? Yeah, that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can I can see that happening. I really don't
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  Speaker 1: even question things anymore. If someone told me, dude, you're
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  Speaker 1: a murderer, I'd be like, yeah, I probably did. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even remember what happened last week. So how are you,
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  Speaker 1: my friend? I'm good, dude, Just sitting here with a
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  Speaker 1: nice glaze a sweat here in Iowa. It's hot, it's humid,
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  Speaker 1: it's normal, and uh, I don't know, just live in life.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, just living life. You know, it's funny, we're
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  Speaker 1: just talking before we started recording. We've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: podcast for six years now or seven I mean the
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  Speaker 1: spring of ten, fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventy, so seven seasons
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  Speaker 1: now worth of the Wire Dram podcast. And you've been
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  Speaker 1: on a ton of them. Um In all that time,
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  Speaker 1: we've probably gotten a little smarter. Maybe we've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better deer hunting. We've we've grown our families.
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  Speaker 1: But we're still doing some super hill billy ship Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm recording my truck. You're recording with like fans and
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  Speaker 1: a C units run in the background. We just no
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  Speaker 1: shirt on today, no shirt, no shirt on, dude, I
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  Speaker 1: wish you could. I'm glad this isn't a video podcast
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  Speaker 1: all right where you can see me in my all
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  Speaker 1: my love that God has given me. Well when I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm recording Idaho right now. So our place out here
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  Speaker 1: is so small that I can't record in the house
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  Speaker 1: when the kids are napping, so I'm in the truck.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I'm at home, I still have to
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  Speaker 1: do the same thing you do. I have to turn
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  Speaker 1: off my little mobile a C unit in my home
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  Speaker 1: office when it's super duper hot because that's too loud.
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  Speaker 1: So I usually record shirtless in Michigan too, So maybe
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  Speaker 1: we should do a shirtless episode, man video video episode shirtless.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think that's the only thing that we
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  Speaker 1: haven't really done. Suppose ourselves physically to our listeners. That
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  Speaker 1: might be the straw that broke the camel's back. The
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  Speaker 1: dude like we've been we've been riding and but what
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  Speaker 1: did they say, riding on buying geez, writing on bought time.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I thought you're gonna help
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  Speaker 1: me out with that one. I don't I don't have
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  Speaker 1: the words. Dude, you're the guy who wrote a book.
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  Speaker 1: I can't barely talk. I yell at my kids. I
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  Speaker 1: I tell I'm yelling at my kids, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: even say their names right, So no one's looking at me.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's ignoring me, and I just sound like I'm having
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  Speaker 1: a stroke. So what's what's new with the kids, because
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  Speaker 1: that's something we haven't got to catch up on a while.
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  Speaker 1: Family Dan Johnson family stories, any crisis, any crazy stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and he destroyed furniture. Um, A good, well, it's nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's literally a crazy story every single day
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  Speaker 1: in our house. But we've lost two remotes, so we
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  Speaker 1: had to buy a third one. So we get home
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  Speaker 1: from the store and then my two boys they start
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  Speaker 1: fighting with each other like they're like wrestling hard, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, the wrestling turns into a fight, and
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  Speaker 1: then my oldest son picks my youngest son up and
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  Speaker 1: throws him against the chair. The chair breaks and what
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  Speaker 1: pops out one of the remotes that's lost. So so
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  Speaker 1: there's that over ning. Yeah, there hasn't been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Fece stories. Um I had Fec stories. Oh I
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  Speaker 1: love a good Fece story. Well, ours is just so
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  Speaker 1: we're out in Idaho, we're trying to do the whole
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  Speaker 1: hiking and still getting out in the wild of the kids.
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  Speaker 1: But ever it is two and a half now and
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  Speaker 1: a little over two, I guess, and then Colt is
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  Speaker 1: five months old, so as you know, it just gets
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  Speaker 1: harder when you've got kids in those age ranges, and
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  Speaker 1: we're still just we're testing, like what can we do?
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  Speaker 1: What can we get away with? And so we decide,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna go and do a longer hike
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  Speaker 1: than we usually try to do, get more elevation than usual.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna go kind of ascend this ridge way up
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  Speaker 1: above treeline um in the t tons and but it
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  Speaker 1: was it wasn't too long of a hike. It was
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  Speaker 1: still a reasonable distance, but you were kind of going
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  Speaker 1: up there and I was I was confident. I was
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  Speaker 1: telling Kylie you know, they've been so good. We can
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  Speaker 1: do it. We won't have that too many issues. You
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  Speaker 1: just gotta assume something little is gonna go wrong. We'll
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  Speaker 1: roll with it. Um. Well, we're getting up there, we
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  Speaker 1: get to the top. It's beautiful. We take a break,
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  Speaker 1: we're resting, and then all of a sudden, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if this before Colt like Colts
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  Speaker 1: writing a chess pack on Kylie. Um. And then Everett,
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  Speaker 1: if he's not walking, he'll ride on in the backpack
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  Speaker 1: on my back, and so could. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: just hear this enormous bowel movement, just rumbling, thunder erupting.
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  Speaker 1: And usually you've got a little time, you know, usually
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  Speaker 1: it's like gonna happen. You hear it, and then it
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  Speaker 1: continues for five ten seconds, and then you go find stuff,
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  Speaker 1: You find a diaper, you find wives, and then you
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  Speaker 1: go and change them. Well, this was the sound was
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  Speaker 1: still emitting from his ass and their stuff squirting out
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  Speaker 1: all over Kylie. And we're, you know, four miles or
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was away from the trailhead. And I think
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  Speaker 1: we only brought this is done. We only brought one
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  Speaker 1: extra diaper for each kid. And explode, like explosion all
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  Speaker 1: over him, all over her. We deal of that, and
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  Speaker 1: then my son, we're still trying to get potty trained
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  Speaker 1: with him and stuff. Um Son number one, we have
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  Speaker 1: the exact same thing happened with him, but instead of
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  Speaker 1: an explosion, we had just I just had forgotten to
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  Speaker 1: check on him, and for whatever reason, I've been paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're walking around and I see he's pulled
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  Speaker 1: his shorts down, but his diaper is like a balloon
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  Speaker 1: that's sticking out over top of them. So his shorts
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  Speaker 1: are kind of riding just below his butt with his
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  Speaker 1: balloon diaper sticking out the back and you can see
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  Speaker 1: brown stuff. What I call that the double blowout miles
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  Speaker 1: from civilization. Not enough equipment at all, not enough wives,
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  Speaker 1: no extra clothes. So we're riding coming back down the
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  Speaker 1: hill like one kid's wearing shorts, one kids wearing nothing. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he just you just have a roll. We should have.
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  Speaker 1: We survive who made it out? So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that's been the name of the game for all the
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  Speaker 1: stuff we've been doing this summer. It's just survival. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like get through it and move on to the
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  Speaker 1: next thing. Yeah, that's all you can do in a
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  Speaker 1: scenario like that, because what's that There's a famous quote
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  Speaker 1: uh in the movie uh point Break where you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's like I do, but he's just like, uh god,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna screw it up. And I love that movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's like failure leads to hesitate, or hesitation leads to fear,
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  Speaker 1: and fear leads to death or something like that, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, I gotta I'm screwing this up. Someone's gonna
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  Speaker 1: roast me for this. But um, fear causes hesitation, and
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  Speaker 1: hesitation causes your worst nightmares to come true. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it is. So you can't you can't hesitate in a
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  Speaker 1: scenario like that. You just gotta you know, scoop the
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  Speaker 1: poop go. Yeah, man, I was thinking we need to
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  Speaker 1: do another episode with you, myself and uh Andy Bradley.
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  Speaker 1: Remember we did that Raising Outdoor Kids episode a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago. I was thinking we should try to
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  Speaker 1: do one like every two years updated, yeah, and see, like,
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  Speaker 1: what have we learned in the last two years, And
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  Speaker 1: that was almost exactly two years ago, So maybe the
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  Speaker 1: next one we do in a few weeks, we should
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  Speaker 1: try to do that because there's so much kids stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I'm slowly figuring out now that I'm catching up
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  Speaker 1: to you a little bit. Um. But yeah, it's always
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  Speaker 1: an adventure, that's for sure, trying to trying to just
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  Speaker 1: get out and in doing the stuff you want to
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  Speaker 1: do still in finding some way to make it happen
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  Speaker 1: with the new constraints of parenthood is probably the biggest
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  Speaker 1: thing that I'm thinking about so much more now. It's
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  Speaker 1: going from like I don't know knowing the right stuff
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  Speaker 1: to do or doing what Am I doing enough of it?
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  Speaker 1: Now it's all just like efficient. How can I become
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  Speaker 1: more efficient? How can I get the minimum amount done
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  Speaker 1: in the minimum amount of time, just so I can
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  Speaker 1: keep my head above water? Yeah, I gotta I got
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  Speaker 1: a little story for you. Um, how long did you
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  Speaker 1: go during the COVID you know, pandemic here that we're
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  Speaker 1: in How long did you go without a haircut? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I went a pretty long time. I don't know, two months,
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  Speaker 1: two months, I'm trying to think, I don't know, two months,
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  Speaker 1: three months, something like that. Okay, So a quick story here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm my wife is in the kitchen trying to cut
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  Speaker 1: max hair and she's not doing a very good job.
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  Speaker 1: I take the clippers from her, I start going to
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  Speaker 1: town and crazy enough it comes out looking like a
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  Speaker 1: professional haircut. Okay, I mean it is the crazy story
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  Speaker 1: that you're about to announce a new part time job. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: the crazy story is coming. So the second now it's
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  Speaker 1: Knox's turned a couple of weeks later, and you know
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  Speaker 1: he's too so he's gonna move around a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: it turned out great except for it, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple hey he moved type of situations. So a month
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  Speaker 1: has passed, it's time for Mac to get another haircut.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm cocky, right, and long story short, Mac now
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  Speaker 1: has a mohawk. Uh is I feel like Mac has
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  Speaker 1: been deserving of a mohawk like that seems like something
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  Speaker 1: he would rock on purpose. He's rocking it. It looks
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  Speaker 1: real good. Actually, um he he flinched real hard with
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  Speaker 1: and then the guard was pushed down back into the clippers,
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  Speaker 1: and then I followed through with my stroke and it
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  Speaker 1: just took this big chunk right out of his head,
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  Speaker 1: like big chunk of hair down to the one guard out.
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  Speaker 1: So there's not much you can do to fix that
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  Speaker 1: except give, you know, follow through with full hawk. I
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  Speaker 1: went full hawk, spiked it up, and now he looks, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he looks like a badass. I believe it. I believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that funny that that's the same kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: we've started, was doing the self haircut. My wife has
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  Speaker 1: started doing the haircuts, and you know, it's not perfect,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's kind of serviceable. Um. Yeah, I could
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  Speaker 1: almost see myself just sticking with us. You just it's
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  Speaker 1: good enough. I don't need it to be perfect, right,
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  Speaker 1: save you the trip in some time and money, I
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  Speaker 1: guess in the future. Yep. So, my my wife came
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  Speaker 1: home and she took a look at it, and she said,
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  Speaker 1: you're never cutting the kid's hair again. I was hoping
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  Speaker 1: that she was gonna let you have a free pass. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's no free pass with that in my life. I
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  Speaker 1: got xed. Are you disappointed by that? Are you glad
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  Speaker 1: to be? It doesn't bother me. It's just one less
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  Speaker 1: thing I have to do now. I think I should
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  Speaker 1: fail other things more often, so my her, her expectations
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  Speaker 1: of me can be much lower. Well, you know that's
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  Speaker 1: the trick that allow us to rights you do such
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  Speaker 1: a horrible job with the dishes or something that they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: just let me do it and they move on that.
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  Speaker 1: That's like, that's always a good strong move to play
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  Speaker 1: during household stuff, parents stuff, I try, I try, UM,
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  Speaker 1: and life I lift. What about trying to say here?
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  Speaker 1: I find myself needing what you needed so often years
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  Speaker 1: ago where you would get on the phone me for
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  Speaker 1: these podcasts and just be like, I need to talk
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  Speaker 1: about something other than kids. What's going on our kind
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  Speaker 1: of craziness. Yeah, and that's definitely what we're at right now. UM. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so my first, my first questions for you, because we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about white tails, right yeah. Okay, So my
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  Speaker 1: first question to you is, you're out in Idaho right now.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a designated designated trail camera checker who
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  Speaker 1: goes in while you're out there, checks the cams and
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  Speaker 1: sends you back the intel. I should, but no I don't. UM.
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  Speaker 1: In past years, I've set cameras before I take off
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  Speaker 1: and just let them sit and then I come back
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  Speaker 1: in August and check them. Um. But this year it
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  Speaker 1: was just such a cluster with so many different things
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  Speaker 1: going on on and you know, kids and everything. I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't put any cameras out at all. I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, forget it. I'm just gonna put them
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  Speaker 1: in August when I get back because I'm gone to
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  Speaker 1: cameras out right now. I have zero cameras out. I
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  Speaker 1: know that almost like stings a little bit here in that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it either, Dane, I don't like it either,
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  Speaker 1: not even a soaker. No soakers out there. No I
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  Speaker 1: should have soakers. That's on me. That's on me. But
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that I thought maybe would make
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  Speaker 1: sense to get into is those pictures that you get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in June July, especially June July, not as much,
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  Speaker 1: but June. Really that's just like, uh, I'm anxious to
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  Speaker 1: get pictures. I just want to see something for fun.
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  Speaker 1: But they don't do a whole lot for you, like
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  Speaker 1: you can get away. There's nothing. Tell me I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: prove me wrong here. But I would say that I
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  Speaker 1: am losing no value whatsoever and not having cameras up
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  Speaker 1: until August. I can get everything I need as far
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  Speaker 1: as summer inventory in the month of August, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, it changes in September. But in August at
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  Speaker 1: least I get everything I need to know as far
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  Speaker 1: as full potential of what the bucks will be. I'll
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  Speaker 1: know every buck that was there in the summer, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to look at a half grown buck
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  Speaker 1: and think to myself is it gonna be one or
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  Speaker 1: one thirty or whatever? You know, how how far into
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  Speaker 1: August are we talking here? First day or two? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: first day or two? Uh yeah, maybe maybe? But man,
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  Speaker 1: there are still some deer that make these these rounds,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm talking from you know where I hunt. Where
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  Speaker 1: they may be there late July, mid July, disappear, maybe
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  Speaker 1: come back in September, disappear, and then they won't show
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  Speaker 1: back up until the ruts. So it's for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: all about knowing what is out there still, like oh dude,
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  Speaker 1: he's back, he's back. But that's just that's just me. Well,
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  Speaker 1: don't you put your cameras out often, like at least
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  Speaker 1: in the past Umber, usually like early July, and then
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  Speaker 1: you do your first check in early August? Is that right? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I got my out in June this year. June one,
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  Speaker 1: I was down there, dropped my kids off at the moms,
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  Speaker 1: had to go do a little work on the farm.
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  Speaker 1: I volunteered to help the landowner do some stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: while I was out there, I did some tree stand
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  Speaker 1: and trail camera stuff. So not this coming weekend, which
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  Speaker 1: is the fourth of July, but it would be the
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  Speaker 1: following weekend. I'm heading back down there, dropping the kids
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  Speaker 1: off at their grandparents, and I'm gonna check some some cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any I mean, do you have any
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  Speaker 1: other intael from other people or from settings in the winter,
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  Speaker 1: or anything that tells you like you're expecting any certain
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  Speaker 1: bucks to have made it okay? So the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that gives me a you know there, there's there's obvious
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  Speaker 1: there's some obvious ones, right that if things go well, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well every year for fifteen years, he'd be eleven years
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  Speaker 1: old this year. That's insane. But didn't you get a
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  Speaker 1: picture of him last year? Yeah, a couple a couple
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  Speaker 1: of pictures of last year, and he looked healthy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he looked old, but he looked healthy. Um and then
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  Speaker 1: obviously gnarly, Charlie. I'd love to see him again. He'd
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  Speaker 1: be like a six or seven year old, probably no
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  Speaker 1: seven year old this year, and then other than that. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I left a camera out all winter long, all spring long,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So the last time I checked it was
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  Speaker 1: the day before I shot my buck this year, and
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  Speaker 1: then I let it so the entire spring, and it
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  Speaker 1: gave out somewhere about oh, late mid to late April, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's was that on purpose or did you forget about it?
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden one day like, oh man,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: there's still that camera there. No. I felt confident in
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this spot. It's just real deep in the farm. It's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: hard to get to nobody. Nobody goes back there except
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the farmers when they plant and harvest. And that's about it. Um.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Because I was gonna say, those are the best surprises.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I love it. I don't forget a camera. And then
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I walked and like, I didn't
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: know this is he yere? Yeah? Yeah, No, I knew
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: this one was here. I had it marked on on
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: X right, So I walk up to it, I throw
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: it in my truck, get back home here check it
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and there, oh man, late December, and I'm gonna have
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to say that this this buck got displaced during shotgun season,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but I had And then I start looking through my
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: my pictures right, And I have three pictures of him
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: coming through the farm on two different trail cameras well,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: three pictures on each camera, so a six six total
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: making this big loop through the farm. And then he
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: came let's say he he came through one way uh
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: aft like during the second shotgun season. Three days later,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: same trail right back across the creek into the neighboring farm.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: And so I think I got one other picture of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: him in February and then all of a and I
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: had this big buck kind of coming through back and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: forth kind of on a regular basis, but he had
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: he had dropped, So I'm not a hundred percent sure
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it was him or not. But he's an absolute giant
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: nine pointer. I think he is with a split G
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: two just a crazy like he's a he's a giant.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: He's won seventy as a nine pointer. Yeah, so, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I had to I guess at five or older, But
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not. He's big. And he came through
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the farm one time during the season and then one
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: time just looks like he had been displaced from a shotgun.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So I think I know where he's living on, what
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: farm he's coming from. It's just a matter if he's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: coming through the property during daylight, which he's never done before. Really,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So okay, well it's it's July when this comes out.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It's the time. It's the season of dreaming. Let's let's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just dream hypothetically. Let's say he rolled through your property
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: last winner. He liked the looks of it. He really
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: as if there wasn't another top dog that was going
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to steal the best betting area or whatever. He decides
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: he's going to shift over here and hang out. He's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: back for two thousand twenty. He shows back up in September.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You get your first look at him. What does he
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: look like this year? Dan? If you had to guess,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: so this is this is a hypothetical, Yeah, this is hypothetical.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: What do you what do you imagine he's going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: look like this year? Because this can be like I say,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I say, be by, be blindly optimistic about it, blindly optimistic.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see here, I'm gonna average. I'm gonna
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: say he's gonna pop into a ten. Because it looked
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like he had a little nub on the end of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: his uh you know, right between on the four point side.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: He had a little nub that looked like it could
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: have even either been broken or it's gonna pop into something.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say he's a ten pointer now, Uh,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: he's gonna still have the split, maybe a little junk
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: around his bases. Does the does the ten points include
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the split? Or is he like a main frame ten
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: with main frame ten with extra Sokay, technically the eleven
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: point and maybe just some small junk, maybe not even
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: scoreable junk, but more junk on the basis, and he'll
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: probably be in the eight as a ten. How deep
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is that split? It's not very it's not very deep
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: even it's just well, it may go a little bit
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: deeper this year, but it's not huge. I mean, he'll
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: be you know, I would be getting cocky here if
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I said it's a deep flat mark. Okay, that's pretty
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: cool to me, Pretty cool, right, And I just I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just imagine him really like liking to rub cedars. Right,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he's a homebody. He doesn't like to wander off, but
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: he'll fight for that first hot doll, of course he would.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: What about the bases though, I just I imagine if
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: he's a cedar rubber, he's got to be one of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: those coke can bases, right with all that junk and stuff. Right,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you know, Mark, I've never been one to brag about
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the deer that I hypothetically create my head, but I'm
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing him to be just a little bit smaller.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Then you know, he's not gonna have coke cans. He's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: gonna have maybe like red Bull bases. That's that's that's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: not bad, not bad. I'm gonna assume it's the big
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: red Bull, not the tiny six ouncers or whatever, the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: bigger red Bull cans. And in that case, then yes,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I support that hypothetical bass measurement. Um. I'm excited for
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the trail came and pictures of this guy. Yeah. If somehow,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if somehow, you nailed it, I don't know how we
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: can commemorate it or how we can celebrate it. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: if this buck looks exactly like that, I don't know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be floored right right, And uh, I will
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: defecate myself if I shoot a split. Yeah, oh man,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. I love one of my favorite things, just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: like driving back and forth, especially when used to do
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: more like those Ohio trips I used to do so often.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: With Ory or Josh. When you're born, it's like midnight
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and you're almost home and you're trying to think of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: something just to stay awake. We'd always do these hypotheticals
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: where we would do something like that, like tell me
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: about your hypothetical bucker, would you rather shoot a drop
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: time or a split tiner? Would you rather this or this?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And just a stupid conversation like that was just what
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you need to get through that long drive. Yeah, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: don't ever, I don't. I don't do the typical verse
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: non typical thing in my head. You know if I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Like for me, it doesn't matter.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't care if they're typical or if they're non typical.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But what I like to do is exactly what we
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: just did, and that is try to shoot. Try to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: figure out what that dear is gonna be like next year.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Like if you say for for me, it would be
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: all right. So I had a three and a half
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: year old that I passed, what's he gonna do this year?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Is he just gonna do the same, be the same
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and blow up? Because I have that eleven pointer that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in the same tree, uh, in the same area that
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I got this big one seventy I have, I now have,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: uh that buck, that three year old that I passed, Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: early in the rut, right yeah, right early in the rut.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: You know, he came right in and you know I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was filming him straight down with my cell phone, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm imagining what he turns into because he also made
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it through the the shotgun season. Well what so I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: can't not ask? Now, what's it gonna look like? Oh, jeez, Mark,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna ride this horse till it dies. Another
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: hour of hypothetical, right right, Okay, let's see here, he's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be the exact same tight racked buck with more mass.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna be out past his ears. He's gonna
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have more mass, and I'm gonna guess he's gonna have
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a couple five inch five and a half maybe even
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a six inch mass measurement on some of his measurements.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But he's also going to have maybe ten to eleven
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: inch g twos and then they'll be slowly work their
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: way down from there. That's a beautiful deer. I love
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a titan tall buck like that. Now, you and me,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we've we've said a thousand times on our podcast. It's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: not all about the Anglers. That's not what it is,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but it is still cool thing like they're a little
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: bit about the Anglers. It is cool. They are awesome
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: critters to watch, and I don't know, you can't help
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: but be fascinated by them. Um, can I can I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: do one? Yeah? Because it's Tran, right, yes, Tran? So
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: what did Tran look like this year? And what is
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: he going to look like this year? So? Tran was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: just a tight and tall eight pointer. He had really
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: long G twos and then shorter G three's um and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: good brow twns brow times and like five inch brow
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: times maybe maybe a little more than that on some
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of them are on one side. Um. And he had
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a little kicker coming off of his left side base
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: about an inch long. So I'm looking at him right now,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I thought, as you know, I found his match set,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: both of them sitting right next to each other in
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the cornfield. Um, he's gonna stay a big eight, big
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: main framemate. His G two is, like I said, are
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: both like I think I think one was ten and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: one was eleven or nine and a half and eleven
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: something like that. Both of very long. I'm guessing those
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: are gonna just be foot longers. Twelve or thirteen inch
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: G two is just daggers. But one of them was
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: starting to blade out a little bit this year, so
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I think they're both gonna get like fully bladed, so
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: like twelve inch bladed G twos. His G three's are
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: both gonna get like really respectable, like five or six
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: inch really good G three's. And then again he's got
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: these tall brow times that kind of curl out a
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: little bit, so I'm gonna stay they're just gonna grow
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: maybe another inch each, so let's say six to seven
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: inch brow times. But that little sticker on the base,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: he's gonna match on the other side, so he's gonna
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: have these kind of unicorn points from the bases, one
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on each side, about two inches long. So if I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: were to see this buck for the first time ever,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I might jump to a cliche name like hook or something.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Uh and good, good, good good mass. I say, it's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: kind of average mass this past year, and I think
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: he'll kind of continue with that. So in two thousand twenty,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, he was just over last year. Uh, he
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: looked bigger than that, but that was what he scored
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: out to be. For whatever that's worth, I'm gonna put
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: him as like a hundred and forty ish eight pointer
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this year, maybe a little bigger than that with those
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: G two I don't know, Okay, I thought maybe with
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: your imagination, you would have thrown like well maybe late
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in the season. He was wounded and it's gonna cause
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: him to grow a twelve inch drop time. See, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: thought I was. I thought I was pushing my luck
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with the bladed G two. So I don't know, man,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: if that if a buck like that is running around,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be enough to make me lose my mind.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited. I'm excited to see these summer trail
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: camera pictures. And and the cool thing is that the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: property that that buck is on has beans again on it,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and it has had beans on it it usually, you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: usually flip flops. But last year because of the wonky spring,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you know, how, what was it really dry? I think,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: why was it everything gotten so late? I'm trying to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: remember it was it was drought? Right, Yeah, I think
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: there was a two wet Why can't I remember this?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You mean last year? Yeah? Last year? Remember all that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: no one got their crops in on time and everything
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: was all messed up. I think it was. I think
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it was July. We went through a kind of a drought,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and then September in October got wet. Ye. This shows
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you how much mental damage I've gotten over the years.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The kids point being, they didn't plant the fields like
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they usually do last year, so they actually split the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: farm up. Half the farm was corn, half the farm
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was beans instead of the whole thing. So this would
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: be my third year in a row now with beans
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: on some portion of the farm, which just makes for
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that really cool summer viewing. So I'm hoping I'll get
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: my third summer in earrow that I can watch him,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: which is just a lot of fun to be able
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to do that, and uh, you know how that is.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That's that's just a fun thing nest time here. Yeah, absolutely, man,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just uh, it's the trail camera thing, right, I mean,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: for me, this year is going to be about trail
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: cameras and and and basically just sitting and waiting because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: if I get a if I get a summer pick
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of Gnarlie Charlie, it's gonna dictate a lot of what
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm gonna be able to cut off the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: farm in half. I'm probably going to ignore it, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to just focus on the routes that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he's been running for the past couple of years and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: put myself in the best possible position for him. Okay,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: so you're you you believe that the intel you got
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: last year. I know, last summer we had a podcast
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: just like this, almost the exact same time when you
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: said you were creating your Dan Johnson points on a map,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: connect the dots between the trail cameras strategy, and you
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: did that. You crossed off half the farm and then
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: last fall you started hunting that zone and then you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: had your first sighting of him. Um, that takes us
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: to now this year. So if you get the confirmation
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: he's alive, he made it, then you cross off that
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: map again the part that he wasn't on. But what different, like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: how have you tightened the news anymore since last November
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: when you saw him? Are you gonna do like the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: circle of cameras in the area and keep on adjusting
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: or what they're So what I'll what I'll do is
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I will cut the farm in half, really focus on
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you know, because I put more cameras in that area
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: this year, So I have more intel this this past
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: year on him than I did the previous year. So
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it's just more of the routes that he's taken king
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm putting myself in in just continuing to shrink
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: down that area and hopes hopefully find the dough group
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that's working its way through the area and pulls him through.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Or I still don't think he's betting on my property
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that I have access to. I think he's coming from
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a different property, and but it's really close, it's really close.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I just have to try to find where he's coming,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know. I think he's traveling a long way in
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a in a day, going from where he feels comfortable
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in in his betting area on a different farm, coming
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: through the properties that I have access to and making
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: it like being nocturnal there, and then kind of coming
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: working his way back. Is is what I'm thinking he's doing,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: or what he'll do is he'll come through for like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a three day cycle. He'll work the farm for three
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: days and then two days maybe and then go back.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So is there anything you can do right now or
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: you know, over the next two months to prepare for that,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like are you going to I don't know. Are you
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: doing anything different with your summer trail cameras that you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: used than you usually do to confirm his presence or
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is it kind of the standard approach do you take? Yeah,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it's a standard approach, because, like I've said a million times,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the September shift hits and things just shut off, right,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and then it isn't until so I guess the not
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: last year, but the previous two years he didn't show
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: up in the farm until late October. Well, this year,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I added a couple of trail cameras, right, so I
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: don't I don't have any intel until I get a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: trail camera picture of him and then so so the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: additional trail cameras that I added caught him early October,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like October three, middle of the night, October broad daylight,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: middle of the day, so I think he got bumped, right,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and and then he started making his rounds late October,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: so he's around And the only the only reason I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: think that one was a daylight is because I don't
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: know farmer farming activities or you know, a dog running
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: through the woods or somebody else you know running through
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the woods. Don't know, but Yeah, have you have you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: considered trying to see him in the summer in the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: evenings at all, to see confirmed presents like glassing on
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: your property, your neighboring properties or anything like that. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it's just this year it's tough because I would have
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to go through a corn field to get to the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: bean field, and I really don't want to bump him.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And if what I'm thinking is right, if I'm thinking
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he's coming off of another property, he's not getting to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the bean field until after dark anyway, gotcha? So yeah,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: what about you? Have you been thinking about strategy with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: with Tran? I have, Um, I think my my dilemma
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: with that one is there's two things. I've like, two
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: competing pressures. I've got one thing being that there's an
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: increasing number of people that I know that are hunting
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that deer I guess, or the deer in the area,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: like the deer I could hunt, are also now on
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the radar of other people who I'm hearing from, who
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: are also like serious hunters. So there's just more competition
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: from people that kind of know what they're doing. And
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: maybe that was happening before and I just didn't know it,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: But now that I know it. There's this new sense
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of crap. If I don't get them such and such,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: will you know? Um. So that's telling me hunt earlier,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: take it, try to try to get it done sooner
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: than later. Um. But then on the other side, I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: have you know, last year's observations and trail camera datat
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: which other than opening day, I didn't get any daylight
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: pictures or sightings of him all the way until Halloween.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So I got no daylight confirmation with him all through
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: October UM. The year previous to that, I did have
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: October daylight movement. Last year no October movement, and then
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: once Halloween hit though, he was very active for um
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: most of November and then a little bit in December two.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So that tells me play it safe, wait till late October,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and then it hit it hard then. On the flip side, though,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: another reason why I should maybe be more aggressive early
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: is that I've got a really packed slate of back
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: forty hunts that I'm going to be you know, on
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that property for that's gonna keep me from the tram
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: property for a lot of the good stuff in November.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So so that said, I'm a little bit up in
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the air, but I'm probably gonna be probably gonna be
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: more aggressive. Um. I'm gonna take the stab early, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to probably push a little bit more
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: here and there in October when the when the conditions
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: are I think the one thing like, I've started hunting
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in mid October than I used
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to for a while early on there UM, but was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: pretty careful. Again we you know the story listeners in
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the story of this particular property small a lot of fields.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I just can't get into too much of the betting areas.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: But there's a couple of spots that I think I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: can push in a little further than I used to.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: It might just be thirty yards further in forty yards
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: further in UM, but I started to get a little
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: more confidence in my ability to do that without spooking him.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I've confirmed one or two other spots that I'm pretty
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: sure there are bucks betted um deeper in the core
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of one of these locations where I was worried that
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: want to be some of them might be a little
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: bit closer to the edge that would keep me from
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: getting there safely. I think with some scouting I did
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: this winter, I found two buck beds that would very
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: well be his on occasion, um that are on the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: property can hunt. I know he spends a lot of
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: time in the neighbors, but he must be on mind
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: some of the time. And I think I found one
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of those spots. Possibly, um so I might take a
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: stab in there, and I don't know. I'm I'm a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: little less paranoid than I used to be about taking
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a swing, you know, a couple of times in October
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: like that and go for it and may blow it up.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But I think I've been coming back to both what
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I've seen and a lot of other people tell you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is that these mature bucks, they get big and mature
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: for a reason. They found a spot they feel safe.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: If you don't bug him over and over and over,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you can get away with maybe one of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: those aggressive moves every once in a while. So right,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a pretty vague way of describing it,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: because I'm still on shore. I don't have like a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: annual pattern that is going to be like, oh, definitely
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: gotta do that. You know, in two thousand eighteen, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: got daily activity of him, and in October I think,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like this fourteen there was a cold front the hit.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: So I tried going and back in around that time
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: period this year, didn't see him, didn't get a daily
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: pictures of him or anything. Um, so there's not anything
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that's super solid like that. I'm gonna be working on.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be more so make some adjustments in the fly,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: be more mobile. I'm not adding any more permanent sets anymore.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run and go in my saddle. Uh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: just trying to get more quiet, more efficient with that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: so I can move in and out and just kind
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: of get better and all those little things. That's another
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: thing I'm trying to improve on this year. But um,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: what about his routine compared to what holy Field was doing?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Any similarities? Very similar, very similar. Yeah, There's there's this
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: neighboring property that his is tough to get into for
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the person that hunts over there, and this section that
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: they get into just like lots and lots of thick brush.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It's there's always a good buck the beds in there.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And so it was holy Field for a number of years.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And I could see him in there because from my
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: seat I could see into that stuff. But I just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: can't hunt it. And so holy Field kind of come
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: in and out of that, and every once in a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: while he'd bumped over into my stuff. Every once in a
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a while he'd come passed through a bedding ear that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: is on my stuff. And once holy Field disappeared that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know that very next year, Tran was there, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: now last year and the year before basically doing the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: same thing. So I've seen him kind of moving it out,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and you know the times. It's interesting. The closest I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: ever came. Let me think about this. I passed on
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: holy Field once and that was the very closest I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: could have come to shoot h him, I guess. But
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the second closest. Let me make sure I don't have
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this stuff wrong. With a bow, I was closer to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: holy Field with a bow. Well you know the story.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: This is the time that was. It was the rout.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It was midday and I was on your phone, was
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: reading a book on my phone because I was bored,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and then I hear a snap and I turned around
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: holy Field standing it is behind me, so from that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: exact same tree, so that I could have killed holy
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Field from that tree if I was paying attention, from
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that exact same tree as the closest I came to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Tran as well in the rut. Tran was with a
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: dough in this little thicket right next to that tree.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't get a shot at him. Um. So,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: so i'm I'm I'm identifying a couple of these weak
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: spots where they're gonna come in every once a while
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: during the rut. But there's no like clear cut he's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: going to come from that bending here and come in
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to mind every other day or once a week or
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: every night or something like that. It's it's much more random,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but it's I know they're gonna they're gonna bump over
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: every once in a while. But despite all my studying,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: despite all my long distance observation, I've yet to be
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: able to pin it down to you know, I guarantee
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the're gonna come out this way. I think that that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: gonna happen for sure. So it's more so of how
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: do you get into those weak spots enough times without
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: blowing things up so that the one out of four
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: times that he comes through, you're there and you have
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: him stuff. Yeah, Um, I don't know. It's kind of
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a weird spot to hunt. I'm putting more of my
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: eggs in the basket during the rut there, I think
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: than I used to because like last year, you know
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we talked about I passed on several really nice bucks
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: back in those betting ears. Like I figured out the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: rut there. Now you hunt these back betting ears that
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: are hard to get to, but you just get in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: there super early and stay all day, and these bucks
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: are going to check those. Um. So if if I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: can make it to that, you know, early November, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I still haven't killed him, that's a pretty good way.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: If I put in my time, they're gonna come cruising
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: through there. Um I could have killed that big ten
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: pointer a couple of times. It could have killed a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: big nine back there a couple of times last year.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's a limiting little spot, but
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: there's opportunities. So we'll see. I'm sure it'll be more
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of the same frustrating stories. I saw him, couldn't get
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a shot. I saw him, couldn't get a shot, And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it for three months and then be
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: stuck talking about the same deer for five years. Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And I think the cool thing is is I'm I'm
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: doing something similar right have like two tree stands right
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: now pre hung, and I think that's the only only
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: pre hanging I'm gonna do. Excuse me three And I say,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I say too, because one is not gonna be where
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I hunt probably this year. If I'll tell you this,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: if Gnarly is alive, I probably won't even hunt that stand.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But if he is alive, I have to. One is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: already up in a bedding area. I cannot wait to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: get in there for the first time. There was a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: mature buck in there the first time I went in
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: and hunted it, and then and then I have a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: pinch point stand set up. But other than that, it's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: gonna be different tree every day. I just know it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Trying to find out where this guy's coming in and out.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And uh, I just I hope at all. I hope.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I hope all the data stays true and I can
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: continue to you know, and I and I have these encounters,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: because what was it, no encounters with him the first
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: two years, for the first three years. Last this year,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: excuse me, for first two years this year had encounter.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: He's on he was on like this little spur ridge
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: when I saw him. And so I'm gonna be over
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: there more this year on specific wins, and Uh, that's
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the goal, man, is just to keep tightening the news. Now,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. I love like having the spot,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and a buck you know, and you're rumaging
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: through all the dead and tightening the news and trying
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to figure it all out. But the other thing that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun is trying to find out and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: learn a brand new area. Uh. And I saw you
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: were doing a bunch of scouting in public Land recently,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: talking about rubber bottom stuff and trying to figure out
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: this new zone. What was the story over there? Well, um,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean I love getting out there
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and scouting. I loved putting in the work. But right
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: now it's underwater. So you know, how optimistic am I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that this area is going to recover? You know closer
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to October is gonna be interesting. But I went back there,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I did some scouting, and I had a bit of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a dilemma. Right. I get out there and I'm on
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I am on uh public ground, and I'm way back
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in there. I mean I'm like two miles back from
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the parking lot, and you know, I'm I'm finding all
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this great sign, finding these trails where it's like high
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: ground in between two marshes, right, these these little bottlenecks,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: marketing my spot, following the river and just doing all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: this awesome scouting. And then I come up against some tree.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I find some tree stands, which it's illegal, and Iowa
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to have tree stands on public all year round, right,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you have you can only put them up like five
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: or seven days before the season starts, and you can
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you have to have them down I think thirty days
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: after for the season's over or something like that, which
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wrap that out right, I'm not gonna
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: go and and turn that in. You know, I guess
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. But the guy, the guy that
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: had since planted a food plot. So he's he's coming
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: back this far on the boat he is, that's how
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: he's accessing this tree stand, and he's got a trail
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: camera there and he's got a food plot. Now on
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: public land. This person planted a food plot. And you're
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: sure this is public land? No, sure it's public land.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I'm just gonna keep walking, not
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: gonna bother with this. But it just kept stewing in
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: my head, like this dude came in and he planted
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a food plot on public land. Like, I can't do that, dude,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: right guaranteed if this guy is crazy enough about white
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: tip else to take a boat into this public land,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to have a trail camera running this summer and to
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: have a food plot to publicly or to plant a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: food plant in public land. You know, he listens to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, so he's listening right now. So what
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: do you want to tell him? Well, uh, don't cheat, sorry, dude,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: don't Yeah, don't cheat. And so I had this dilemma, right,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, should I turn this guy in? And
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I posted a questionnaire on Instagram, you know, or a pole,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know, should I turn him in? Should I turn
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: him in? Seventy people said I should turn him in
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and said I should just ignore it. And there was
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: like six hundred people who did that. So whatever, whatever
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: those numbers are. You know, sevent thought I should turn
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: it in. The other seventy or the other said I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: should just ignore it and keep walking. Here's the other.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Here's the other alternative, Dan, Yeah, just hunt the ship
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah yeah, and that's and well hey,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like so yeah, so that's so
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I go. I don't have a boat, though, so I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: can't access that the same way that he is. However,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: so I I go to I go to the dn
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: R and I eventually point out a map. I said,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: there is a food plot right here. They don't they
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: don't like spray it. They're not gonna go and spray it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And I said, so, is that like area legal to
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: hunt now or do I do I have to stay
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: away from that? And he never, he didn't really give
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: me an answer. So I'm gonna follow up. Well, right now,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it's all underwater. It will all die. It's gonna die,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: So it's not a big deal. I mean, it's all
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: just so I I hunt the All this public land
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is basically high water runoff area. So when they like
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: right now, they'll raise the damn so there could be
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: more boating traffic for the holiday weekends. And then after
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: that they'll lower it down a little bit and so
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: then that water should recede. But I don't know, man,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I just felt, you know, I felt like a rat.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I don't give
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: a ship. So hey, man, I get it. I totally
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: get it. It's frustrating when you see people abuse the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: You know, now that's a kind of weird thing because
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you could someone could say he's trying to improve it,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: but he's improving it like a selfish way. Yeah, I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: mean it was. It was a setup. It wasn't like
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: a plot. And in on this public land, the d
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: n R plants food for these deers. So there's corn fields,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: there's bean fields, there's alfalpha fields. I mean they these
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: these deer have enough to eat. So I probably would
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: have walked right by if I didn't stop and see
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: this guy's tree stand. I mean it was this luscious
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: clover plot about half an acre of it just right,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: maybe a little smaller than half acre. So here's the question.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Was it a good setup? Like did he set up
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: on a well did you think about wind? And it
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: sounds like decent access it was taking the boat. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: was it approved? Is it Dan Johnson approved as far
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: as far as a smart set, Well, I mean it
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: would let's let's just say what he did was legal.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I would I would have given it a shot on
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a northwest wind that he set up kind of right
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on the curve of the river, so his wind would
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: have been blowing right into the river and following it down,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: so it would have turned out you know, it would
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: have turned out internet Like I don't know, dear. There
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: was a heavy trail near it. I mean it was
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it was a decent spot and with that clover there,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I can just see it's sucking deer in man. Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: He he probably listens to nine Finger chronicles too. Yeah,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: he had this whole plan in place. I'm gonna get
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: my house burnt down now or graffiti rat uh huh um.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I love that river bottom stuff though. It's that is
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: an awesome country. Yeah, that's where I cut my teeth
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: on on hunting. Man. Everything I did back in the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: day was river bottom ground learning how to hunt. Uh,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: not necessarily river bottom, but you know like riverse system,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: creec system, flat land. Uh been between the egg and
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in the waterway and that's where that's that's where I
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: did a lot of my hunting growing up until I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: started moving up into the eggs and the finger. But
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that's where I cut my teeth turkey hunting,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: That's where I cut my teeth deer hunting and uh,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: being able to go back and scout this public land
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and put a little bit of effort into it. Uh,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: it was really fun. I believe that I wanted to
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: go do some of that stuff. The other day, I've
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: got an Idaho white Tail tag here, and I've found
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: a bunch of public land on on X and I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: went and did my first year drive out here and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: had my heart broken. Just like everything that looked possible
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: on the map ended up being inaccessible or just way
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: less appealing than I thought I was going to look,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I saw almost no dear. There was not a single
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: spot I went to that I circled as a spot
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I would come back to an hunt. Um. So I'm
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I'm right now without a single plan for my Idaho
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: tag right now. And you didn't You didn't get a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: montage in a tag this year? Yeah, I didn't draw,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That's correct, Okay, So yeah, some brand new state, brand
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: new area have no real intel at all other than
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a few little Oh yeah, there's white tails out there, um,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and a couple of pictures of people that have shot
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: some that kind of prove it. So over these next
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: few weeks, I've got to do some serious driving. Um.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: There's an area about an hour hour and a half
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: from where I'm at that's supposed to be pretty good
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: where it seems to be a lot of public land. Um,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's kind of hike. I would
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: have been nicer to have a place close to where
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I am, but a little disappointed by that we're speaking of.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't mean what we haven't We
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: haven't really talked about this. But I did a thing, Dan, Um.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I did a thing which is why I'm hunting white
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: tails in Idaho, which is we had to upgrade from
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a camper. We couldn't do the whole sleeping in a
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: tent camper with two kids and two dogs. Um, So
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I bought a little cabin in Idaho. Nice. So yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: we've got like a permanent base of operations out here now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Um So yeah, that's why I'm gonna try to figure
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: out this idahole white tail thing, because it would be
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: really nice to have something close to we're at here. Um,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I got an Elk tex. I'm gonna try to explore
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: what the Elk opportunities are here. But if the white
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: tail thing doesn't pan out, I'm selling this piece of
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: ship real fast. I thought you would be uh buying
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: something in Montana. Well, I mean, for a long time
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we were trying. I've been gosh, probably I don't know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: three four years now. We've been looking, looking and looking
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: and looking. That the trick is that we need something
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: really cheap because I, you know, we have to we
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: have our house in Michigan. So I needed something that
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: was affordable but also would be big enough to fit
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the family. And the biggest thing for me was I
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: wanted like good acts. If I was going to buy
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a place out here, I didn't want to be in town.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be surrounded by people. Like the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: reason why I come out here is because I like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: to be away from people. So for years we were
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: looking at things and it was never, you know, it
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: was never the right fit. Was that either too expensive
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: or just wasn't what we wanted. Um. So I figured
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: there's no rush, might as will just wait, um until
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the right thing comes along. And then this past year
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we decided, well, maybe we need to expand our search
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: outside of the Bozeman, Montana area that we're looking because
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that's just like crazy crazy expensive, like little tiny things
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: are just tons of money, um. And I wasn't gonna
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: buy a tiny, like a tiny tiny thing there that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: costs like four times more than my full size house
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: in Michigan. Um So we thought, all right, well, let's
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: expand the radius and look at a couple of the
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: other areas in that like Montana, Wyoming, Idaho zone we
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: usually go to. And um, long story short, found a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: little place that's right on the edge of the National
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Forest that's less than two and a half miles from
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: four different really great trout rivers. Um, I can walk
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to the public land. I can. You know? I could
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: walk forty five miles straight without hitting a paved road
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and end up in a national park if I wanted. Um,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: so super cool from all that kind of stuff we
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like to do out here. So decided take the leap.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I've been saving up for a lot of years to
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: try to do something like this someday and finally found
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: something that wasn't going to uh you know, what's gonna
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: allow us to do with the things we want to do.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So so it's crazy, that's a that's awesome. Well, I'm
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: glad your wildest dreams have come true. Mark Kenyon, I
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: appreciate that, Danum. I've been dreaming of poopy diapers and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: sitting in my truck and all these things that the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: much less glamorous reality of it. But yeah, it's cool,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: it's got It's interesting though, because there's there's just there's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: a little like living space like your kitchen living area,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: and then there's one single bedroom and so the bedroom
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: is where we're putting our son and then once Colton
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: is old enough to put both of them in there.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: But that means my wife and I have to sleep
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: in the living room. And we ordered a couch, like
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: a pull out couch that you could turn into a bed,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, after we place the order and you
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: can't cancel the order. It gave us like a back
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: order notification. So we're not getting it for well, we've
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: been out here for a month now, we're not gonna
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: get it for another couple of weeks. So we've been
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: sleeping on the previous owners two couches for the last
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: four weeks. Uh, way too to get a pull out bed.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, you make it work, right, Yeah,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you can make anything work, man, You can make anything work.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So wait, okay, So whitetail Idaho elk Idaho right, whitetail Michigan.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And did you get Iowa this year or not? No? No,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: just no Iowa just because there's so much back forty
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: stuff that I've got to be around for I just
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be get enough time. I think I'm gonna try
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: to do a little mid October John, maybe the Nebraska
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I still kind of up in the air and that,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: but possibly public land hunt somewhere in mid October, and
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: then um, you know, for I don't know how long
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I've been talking about wanting to do this December track
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: a buck down the snow hunt. I've made no progress
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: on planning that yet, but I still want to try
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: to do it. So if you want to come on
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to New York or Maine in early December, let me know. Yeah, man,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I've interviewed, uh some people from Maine and New York
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: and Vermont, and uh, I think I'll just stick with Michigan.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound cool? Though? Yeah? I mean, yes, that
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: sounds that sounds awesome. But uh, I don't know. It's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: not Iowa, I know, I mean, I why don't I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: do it? And why don't you do it in like
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: North Dakota or yes, or there's cool things out there. Yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's just like it's this is
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the cultural thing. You go out there. It's like the
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: big woods, lots of snow, follow a big track for
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: five miles Comorial hillside. There he is. He's got a
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: dusting of snow on his back. His nose is big
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and broad, and you know that that Roman knows. And
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: he's got like three little nubbins on each antler. Buddy's
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: a big bodied buck. And that's the hunt I want
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: right right. I can't get muled. You're out of my
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: head right now, dude. I'm so jacked about this upcoming hunt.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, we we figured it out the first year,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and if if it's as half as crazy as it
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: was last year, man, we're in business again. So all
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I've been doing is is just tweaking my gear my
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: gear list. I got some new packs, I got um
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: uh some more you know, some different equipment. I need
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to buy a new pair of boots, uh, a new
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: water filter. So I'm looking at all that stuff right now,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and then I'm still like in the process of planning out.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking that far ahead. Man, So were I met
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: my bad? Um? Are you giving enough mental time to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Michigan in Yeah? Uh, I'm I'm i gotta come right.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: That's not the kind of excitement. I was looking for it. Well,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the shitty thing about this is is that we have
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: got We've gotten this survey back from the school that says,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you know, here are three options. What is your comfort
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: level with COVID, you know, with COVID nineteen and you
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: know how you you know feel that you know your kids,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you know do you feel so? Me personally, I am
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: okay with my kids going back to school full time,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: writing the bus, going back amongst their regularly scheduled programming, right,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: But the others, the other uh options were like fifty fifty,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Like your kid goes back a couple of days a week,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and then it's on a rotation, so a day off,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: a day on, day off day on whatever, and then
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: they and then the other days you would be the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: parent would be required to run through the curriculum with
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: them at home. I'm just like, are you kidding me?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I'm number one, I have no patience. Number two, I'm
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: not a teacher and I'm busy, right, I have other
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: kids too, Like I got my youngest kid to take
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: care of, So while I'm doing that, I'm gonna have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: to put him in front of cartoons or feed him
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: just so he's quiet. And then the other option is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: full time at home curriculum to start the year out with.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And I just I just hope that they bring the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: kids back to school full time or I'm in trouble,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: like me and the wife are are gonna, like from
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: a from a job standpoint in the time we need
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: to give to the jobs we're gonna be, We're gonna
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: kind of be in trouble. So okay, yeah, I hear you.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: But let's look at the silver lining here. Okay, what
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: there's like eleven million white tailed deer hunters in the country,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: give or take Somewhere in that ballpark, there are something
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: like three hundred and what does million total people in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: the country or something like that. All right, and how
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: many what percentage of that three million do you think
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: our parents I'm gonna say, I don't know, or something
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: like that. Maybe, So you're looking over a hud million
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: parents out there. That's the target audience for the new
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: version of nine Finger Chronicles, which is all about training
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: your kids at home. It's all about teaching your kids
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: at home. So you've got a much bigger pool of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: potential audience members. Then you're eleven million deer hunters like
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I do. Just pivot, Just pivot, man, straight pivot, quit talking,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Quit talking about deer, and start talking about how much
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: of a shitty father. I. Yes, that's exactly what I'm recommending,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: you know, from one friend to another. Try it. Trust Okay,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. Let me just talk to my sponsors
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and ask them first, Hey, hey, uh you care if
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I stopped talking about deer hunting? And hey, this uh
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I just want to say, my name is
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Dan Johnson. This is the Nine Finger Chronicles, brought to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you by Lone Wolf Tree Stands. And on this episode,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what you can do to keep
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: your child occupied while you're teaching the other child. But first,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see that flow. That flow.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: But first, in advertisement from Gerber Baby Foods, I'm telling you,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: is that opportunity? Um? I think. On that note, it's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: time for our next segment. Dan, what's the next segment?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Mark call further and Cefo answer, we're doing that again?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Why not? Let's do it? Uh? That will be very
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: disappointed if he doesn't pick up, because it's such a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: great surprise last time when he did. Um, So I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: said question to ask him, yeah, in in second questions.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't answer, we can leave a voicemail. Still, Yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: what county does he live in in Michigan? Do you know?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say that publicly or not.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I'm not quite sure. Um, well,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I'll leave him a message east side, east side of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Michigan or whatever. You don't. I don't need the I
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: don't need the county. I don't need the county. Yeah,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: it sounds like some kind of authoritative figure. He's in trouble.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's Michigan I R S. Maybe it's the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I R S. Just federal government. Could be taxes. I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. Let's calm sea violations. That's all possible. Let's see.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens here. This is the thing. This
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: is the thing. Now, let's it's absolutely thing. Is it working?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I can't hear it ring? All right? Hold on? How
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: cool would it be to have a podcast where all
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: we do is prank call further it's a spinoff that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: would probably be a lot more successful than this one.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: He already hates you, you you know that? Right? Oh god?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: All right? I don't know why I can't get this
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: to work, but hang with me here here we go,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: all right? Add are you still there doing? I'm still here?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's downing again? Josh you there? Hello? Hello? Hello?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I don't see anything on my end. Oh it's saying
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: two of three in the call, so it looks like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: it's ringing, but it's not. He hasn't added. He just
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: texted me and said he's on the phone. What an ass?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: All right, let's old. We got one alternative. You're still
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: This is the part where if you got to go
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: take a pooper pe, then you go do it and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: then get comeback. Alright, I got one more opportunity here.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go with the phone number and stuff Skype
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and he may be on the phone, but we can
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: still leave a voicemail to annoy him. Yeah, I know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I love how Okay? Since this is Skype, is it
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: gonna show up as unavailable? I'm not sure about that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: type of truth. You know they say in broadcasting dead
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: air isn't good? Mark this is this is this isn't audio? Now, dude,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I I guarantee you you marked this time down on
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: your podcast director with the you d M A can't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: unable to take your call at the moment. Please leave
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: a message with your name and number, and I'll be
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: sure to return your call as soon as possible. Thank
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you and have a good day at the tel and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: please record your message. When you finished recording, you may
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: hang up or press one for more options. Yeah. Mr Hilliard,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: this is Officer Randall with the Michigan Department and Natural Resources,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and we have a couple of questions we need to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: ask you about where you were at and what you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: were doing June nineteen. Excuse me, go ahead and give
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: us a call at you know the number. Uh, call
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: me back. That's dumb. That was dumb. I know I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: could have done better. I could have done better. Should
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: we just call him until I get it right? He
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: has nine voicemails right right? Oh? Man, I think I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: think it's probably Um. I I think that's a good
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: spot to wrap it up, Dan, unless you've got any
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: other big summer updates. No, man, I'm just slowly getting jacked.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I'm slowly getting jacked for October the Mule to ear Hunt,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the Michigan Hunt in Iowa. Um. Yeah, I've been baking
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: those brownies, getting the brownie points it's good. So what
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you gotta do this time of year, I'm right there
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: with you, although I've been getting trouble for fishing too much,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: so these these distractions sometimes they're throwing me off the game.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, let's let's circle back up in a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: few weeks to talk more about some of the parenting
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: lessons we've we've gained over the last couple of years,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: because since that one, I think when we recorded that one,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: was Knox born yet or was he just about to be.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think it depends on when it
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: was launched or when we recorded it, but I think
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: it was just Macineva, and if it was, he was
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: too young to do anything with anyway. So lots to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: learn since then. Three kids for you, two kids for me,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: and uh maybe we'll call further back in for that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: one too. He's got a kid on now and he's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: got a thing or two. Maybe he's learned over the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: last few years. So alright, buddy, good stuff. I can't
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: wait to see what the trail camera poll shows you
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: here soon. Keep keep me posted, all right, man, talk
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: to you later. Let's see you alright, And that's gonna
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: do it for us. Today Thanks for tuning in. This
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is a little change of pace. The last handful of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: weeks have been pretty serious strategy. Today it was a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: little bit more of just kicking back, laughing, telling some stories,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and kind of getting you guys up to speed on
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: how Dan and I are progressing towards the season. So
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: hopefully you still enjoyed this one. We'll be back with
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: some serious how two's coming up soon, and until then,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, and stay wired to hunt.