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#695: Humanity on the Power Play | Gareth Icke · Macroaggressions

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  You know I was and enjoy my time chatting with Gareth. I think we've had to leave hung out a couple times this year
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  You know when I want to get a good lowdown on on what's happening in the UK and beyond
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  little hockey with so please
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  Okay, you got to have something where you can just turn your brain off
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  And of course sports has always been that with me and it's great to have the ability to talk a little bit of hockey with Gareth
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  So please enjoy my conversation with the great
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  Gareth Ike
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  It's always good to have Gareth Ike on are you stocked up with food and water your government has told you to stock up
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  I'm hearing that everybody's stocking up on food and water. Do you know what? It's a funny one, right? Because
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  They've said this before and of course, I you know, you've got this kind of I
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  Hark back to the COVID nonsense when everyone was stocking up on toilet paper because we were told that there was going to be this toilet paper
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  shortage and and you were going to the supermarket and you were seeing guys that were like, you know
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  20 stone with like trolleys full of toilet paper and I'm looking thinking yeah
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  I could see you probably need that be honest son, but I never really went into it
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  I couldn't be bothered with that sort of nonsense
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  But with this one it's interesting because you've there's two ways of looking at it Charlie
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  It's like one. It's all feared mongering nonsense. It's just like creating this kind of oh my goodness me whatever and
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  Sort of trolling at the same time, you know what look at what they'll do
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  They'll all go out and buy tins of beans. How fun is that?
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  But then there's another element which I think they always tell us don't know they always tell us what's coming
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  They always tell us what they're planning this sort of predictive programming thing. So I look at it and think
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  Well
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  I'd rather I'd rather have a jacket and
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  It turned out to be warmer than I thought so I don't need it
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  They're not have a jacket and it be freezing
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  So for me, I've not gone out and stocked up on stuff because I already do anyway
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  Like we've always got in our house at least probably
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  If you're being a bit thrifty with it probably a couple of months worth, you know pretty pretty plain boring
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  Dried pasta lots of water
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  Food that never goes off in tins that I don't even want to know why it doesn't go off that kind of food
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  So yeah, I've seen a few mates though to be honest Charlie that are like like ice hockey teammates or lads
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  I played football with people that are all like most of the time think we're crazy
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  They are they were actually saying to me like oh
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  Should I actually go and get like a hand wound up radio? Well, what like should I go and do that?
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  And I'm like, well, I don't know mate. Do you feel to do it?
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  Do you do you know do you feel to do it for me? I like I've got all that stuff anyway, you know, so
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  But I do know that sales of stuff like that have gone up like in Britain. They've gone through the roof
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  I mean, it's not a bad idea. It's it's a good thing to be prepared
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  Like you said, it's it's always good to have a jacket. So there's nothing inherently wrong with preparing for something like this
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  It's just that I
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  tend to not I
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  Want to do it when the government isn't telling me to do it. Yeah, I want to prepare
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  Exactly that to be honest Charlie like if I wasn't doing it anyway, I wouldn't like if I if I didn't have a stash of stuff
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  Anyway, I wouldn't be going out, you know, but also what they do is they create
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  Shortages by doing that because I remember again during this COVID nonsense
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  There was this shortage of toilet roll, right?
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  And I know because people were like in in other countries that don't necessarily use toilet roll like they might use a bidot or the or whatever
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  They were laughing at the bridge and
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  But the thing is there was no shortage of it
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  The shortage was created by telling people there was a shortage
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  so they all rushed out and bought more than they normally would so they created it and so
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  That's the one aspect of this that's a concern, you know
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  If they if they're saying right everyone go out and stock up on stuff
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  And then you you'll always get some selfish sod that goes into the shop with if he's got a few quid and buys everything
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  And then suddenly, you know, he's got his garage full of water and no one else can get any, you know
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  And so there's always that aspect of it
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  But yeah, I'm the same if the government tells me to do something
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  I'll generally do the opposite but with this I think I'm I'm already doing it anyway
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  Yeah, I remember talking to my friend who's kind of a normie back when
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  COVID was kicking off and the toilet paper shortage was going and he explained to me his his
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  Psychology for it. He said I had no intention. I had no
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  Energy towards toilet paper one way or the other
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  But I was at the store and there were some available and because there was some available
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  I just he said my calculation was I don't want to have to do this again a
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  Second time with somebody so I'm gonna buy more than what I need now
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  Because this time it
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  I'm not trying to hoard it
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  I just don't want to have to have this situation
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  I have to go back and then maybe it's not there
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  So he bought three packs when he would normally bought one pack
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  I just thought it was interesting to hear him work out his logic behind it
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  And in how he because he's a smart guy and and I wondered if if other people were thinking it only takes a
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  Few people to think well take three times more than what I normally need and then the next thing you know
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  It's it's gone and especially in the West with our just-in-time
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  Supply chain delivery service. It's like oh, yeah once it's gone. It's really gone
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  I mean, it's not gonna be there for a couple days and if the supply chain is cut it's not gonna be there at all
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  so this is a
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  It's it's like a
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  case study and
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  Psychology to how the how the government can manipulate people they say a little thing here, you know in the US
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  When New York City specifically several months ago, it might have been the beginning of this year
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  It might have been the end of last year
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  They were running these public service announcements on the television that were saying if if you see a mushroom cloud
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  Outside of your window make sure to wet your towels and run them across the crack of your door frame. It's like
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  Well, first of all, why are you telling us this second of all? That's pretty bad advice
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  But it feels like they're they're slowly like dripping out fear porn whether it's from the movies, you know
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  That Obama's producing about the power going out or or these PSAs that you hear in New York
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  I mean it feels like that it's a little bit of predictive programming almost like they've got if I didn't know any better
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  I think they want this to happen a hundred percent. They want it to happen and they wanted it for a long time
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  It's interesting as well because of the sort of you mentioned the psychology of it
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  I think the other thing is as well, you know a toilet paper shortage say you say you couldn't get any toilet roll
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  That's a bit annoying. But you know
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  Grimm as it might be you can jump in the shower and put the shower head on full strength and be done with it
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  Right, you whatever you jump in a river. If there's no food, it's very different. You know, you see the two very different beasts
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  But but we're seeing the the psychological side of it. So this week you had Wes Streeting
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  Who's our defense secretary who was who was minister for health and social care five months ago?
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  So he has no, you know, military background or experience or whatever. He's coming out
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  He's giving this tough rhetoric, which is quite embarrassing to watch because he's anything but an alpha. So it just doesn't really work
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  about how we need to prepare for war in a little over 1,000 days and
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  He and because of you know, this is this imminent attack and he talks about
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  Adversities abroad, but he only ever mentions one he mentions Russia. He mentions that there's more than one, but that's the only country
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  He ever names I assume Iran, you know would would be one that they'll try and throw us eventually
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  but um
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  But he gives this speech and he's talking about how there's going to be energy blackouts and all but he's doing it in complete darkness
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  There's just there's just sheer black behind him. And again, that's the psychological thing
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  That that's being done on purpose to paint this picture of you know blackouts and all the rest of it
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  But it's quite interesting because they're doing this at the same time
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  And it's the same government doing it at the same time as they were pushing digital ID and how we needed to digitalize everything
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  And now you're telling us that if it's digital Russia can take it down
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  and it's just one of those things that makes me laugh because it's like
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  They don't mind the kind of contradicting themselves completely
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  If this is good today say it but if that's good tomorrow for you say it as well
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  And it's like well that contradicts that even doesn't matter
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  Like the people won't remember but they but they are actually starting to remember and they're starting to notice and so
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  From what I'm seeing
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  People aren't aren't going along with it and there's a lot of arguments on television now
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  You know you get those debate shows where generally if it's a left-wing
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  Outlet it's lots of left-wing people arguing
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  Essentially in an echo chamber all kind of agreeing with each other pretty much and then you get the right-wing shows
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  Where they do exactly the same thing
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  They just you know they they agree and they agree
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  But I don't quite agree as much as you agree and that's about as much as the argument is
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  Well, they're starting to bicker now
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  So there was one this week which kind of went viral actually you may well have even seen it
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  you know over the water because
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  This TV presenter you think he's in his 30s. He's like well, I'm not fighting for
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  Against the Russians. I'm not going to war against the Iranians like I'm not doing that
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  I'm a 35-year-old guy, you know a fight a 35-year-old white guy in England
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  Basically my my political class hates me and has shown they've hated me for a very long time
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  Why would I go and die for them? No, I'm not doing it
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  But then the older
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  Panelist who is a former detective so he's qualified to talk about the war apparently he then he then went on an absolute tirade a
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  Real tirade about this presenter and his despicable cowardice and all the rest of it for basically not wanting to get you know
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  blown up for for the parasite class
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  And when you looked at the responses
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  Across multiple platforms including their own platform. This was GB news
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  They were all on the side of the presenter
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  Everyone was on the side of the presenter going well. I don't you know even that usual
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  I can't stand GB news, but he's right and so you know, that's quite encouraging actually that I think
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  They've realized
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  That that people aren't going to go to war certainly not quietly
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  But then on the other hand Charlie as much you look at it and go that's a positive thing you go
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  Okay, so what are they going to do to counteract it?
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  Some kind of false flag probably, you know because because they do that don't they you have a situation where someone said well
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  I don't want this and then something happens and they go
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  Well, I didn't want it
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  But now now suddenly, you know, it's then that happened, you know, how many Americans would would have gone
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  I don't want to go to war with Iraq. You haven't a laugh on you. We did that in the 90s, and it was a horror show
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  I'm not doing that. Oh, what's that? The Twin Towers have come down. Sign me up. You know
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  Yep
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  Yeah, this is this is the way it it happens. So what happens if
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  We're a thousand days away from a war, right? They got to get everybody prepared
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  Who's signing up to join the military in Britain anybody? I mean, they've got to talk about
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  Conscriptions now. So if you were if you were
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  Say you've been living in the UK for a long time. You've been watching how it's changed over the the last 10 years specifically
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  What how about a case for hey you want to have all these guys come into our country from somewhere else if they want to prove
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  Their allegiance to us join the military. Yeah, you go and find the military get yourself
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  Go through. I don't know whatever the the four years six years wherever long it is then you become a citizen
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  How about that? Is there any appetite for that or is that even been discussed? I mean, it's been discussed
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  But only you know in online commentary as a joke
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  You know basically, you know send these Somalians over to fight the Russians or whatever
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  But you know what I find interesting because you obviously you touch upon the immigration situation
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  We've got here
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  So like I say the defense secretaries come out and said that we've got to prepare for war in a little over a thousand days
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  So say it's a thousand days. Well, if you go back a thousand days then
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  To the first of February 2024
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  We've let in
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  Just under a hundred thousand
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  100,000
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  Undocumented migrants in small boats into the United Kingdom in the last thousand days. So if I'm Vladimir Putin now
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  You know, I'm dropping off a hundred thousand troops in Calais and saying right, you know
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  A few of you a day over you go and within a thousand days
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  He's got he's the Red Army's got a thousand a hundred thousand soldiers in the UK
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  You know the the whole idea that we need to prop up Ukraine because that is protecting our border
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  I mean West Street and said that this week you said Ukraine's front line is our front line
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  No, it's not our borders are our front line and they're left wide open
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  Which is of course, it's all intentional and and this is the this is the really interesting time
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  We've we've got going on here mate is people have finally realized that
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  The normies for one of the better term have realized that so
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  No one of any political persuasion is having a good time in the UK right now like like, you know
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  When Trump first got in there was there was the Magalot that still felt they were winning and now even they're looking around going
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  Maybe we're not winning. Well. Hmm. No one in the UK is in that honeymoon period whatsoever right now
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  We've got a new Prime Minister who's unelected and no like literally no one voted for this guy
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  so there there is a
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  you know, there is a
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  an appetite within
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  within Britain at least for the idea
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  that
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  Maybe this is all being done intentionally, you know, like like maybe it isn't just incompetent politicians
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  That are a little bit greedy and you know, maybe they've during covid
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  Maybe they did a few dodgy dealings on PPE contracts to make a few quit like it's gone beyond that now
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  And and so I have conversations with you know, like I say what what people would consider to be I guess normies
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  And they're bringing this up to me. They're saying to me, you know
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  Actually, I think this is all I think this is all coordinated and and I'm like
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  yeah
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  that's because it is and
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  You know, that's that's I've not seen that in my in my lifetime as long as I've been involved in this sort of stuff
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  Where as many people as they are now are looking around going
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  nah
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  Nah, this isn't an accident. This isn't incompetence. This isn't just if I
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  Unalert if I vote for that guy he'll make it better that that's not
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  That's not how it is here
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  So like Britain's not in a good place Charlie, but but I do see some green shoots me
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  Well in the in the new book I was putting all these quotes in there and we get into this this
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  thread about the the plans that's called trusting the plans and this chapter and it's about the Kalergi plan and the
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  Morgenthal plan and the Louie-Nazir plan and Theodor Kaufman plan and the
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  Clower and Piven plan you go through all these plans and you go and it's like
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  This is done intentionally like the idea of flooding
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  Western Europe and North America with migrants is is is not accidental and and I've had to and I think the to the people
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  I'm reaching they understand this but to normies out there
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  It's mind-blowing when they hear something like this. This is a quote. I put in this is from Kalergi himself
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  I mean, it's just like a lot of people are saying well, maybe maybe this is happening. Maybe it's not happening
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  Here's the guy who was
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  Instrumental on the plan he said we intend to turn Europe and North America into a mixed mongrel race of Asians and Negros
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  ruled over by Jews
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  That's like straight up what he said. So yeah, when you now you go. Oh, well, I
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  Don't know and then Barbara Lerner specter you have you seen the video of her. I'm sure you've seen this
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  this is a
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  Israeli academic she's on camera. This is
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  2010 right so 16 years ago
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  She comes out and says the following and it says this is I think it's like for those who are thinking well
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  Maybe it's accidental. Maybe it's planned. She comes out and says I think there's a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time
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  Europe has not learned how to be multicultural and I think we are going to be part of the throws of that transformation
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  Which must take place Europe is not going to be a monolithic society
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  That they once were in the last century Jews are going to be at the center of that
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  It's a huge transformation for Europe to make they are now going into a
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  Multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role
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  But without that leading role and without that transformation Europe will not survive so like
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  16 years ago you hear that you go maybe maybe not you know, I don't know
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  Maybe she knows what she's talking about and now in retrospect you look back and you go. Oh, yeah
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  She knew exactly what was going on. This isn't some accident. This is being done by design. So
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  Quibono who benefits from all this? Well, I mean the soup the supremacist arrogance of a quote like that
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  The you know, we are going to force upon
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  An enormous population something that they don't want is is insane
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  but also, you know, I've had these conversations as well where you point out to people things like that and they don't really want to know and then
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  The so-called British Patriots who who subpoena some the leaders of the British Patriot movement are all on the payroll of Israel
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  They all go over there. They all lick the wall. They all get the shekels. They all do that stuff
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  But there's a lot of people within that movement at lower levels, which are genuine
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  they are just you know, they they want what's best for Britain or they want what's best for America and
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  They're steered by those leaders into basically supporting Israel. So they do
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  And then and so eventually a lot of them wake up by the way and are massively
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  but
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  You have this sort of transition period where they're they're presented with facts like you've just vocalized
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  Quotes like that and they don't really know what to do with them because they don't really know how to square that circle
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  But they feel like they have to
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  And then what I find is, you know, is
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  Instead of telling people look, this is what's happening. Just go look
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  This is what they're saying
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  Here's another quote because there's an enormous number of them. Here's this. Here's this. Here's this now look at what's happening
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  Okay, so put those two things together then look at the causes of mass immigration
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  So the mass immigration from the Middle East for instance, North Africa, Libya and the rest of this
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  Who was behind that?
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  Well, well the americans went yeah, yeah the americans went in there. Why did they go in there?
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  And then they start to because so many people in the uk had no idea that the
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  You know the whole myth about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein
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  Was coming from benjamin netanyahu
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  Originally and from the jonathan institute an institute is named after his deceased brother like so everything is is connected into that
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  um, obviously jonathan
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  Netanyahu was was was killed, wasn't he when when he was serving for the idea and so
• 24:38
  Once they start realizing that and then you present the absolute
• 24:42
  killer quote which is the quote of of the the rabbi and again
• 24:45
  there's a video of him talking about the fact that um
• 24:49
  The islam is is the broom of israel to sweep
• 24:54
  christianity out of europe
• 24:57
  And you see their eyes go
• 24:59
  And some of them give you a fluoride stare in which case well good good night. It was nice to chat
• 25:04
  But a lot starts a twig. Well, hang on. Okay. There's something else going on here
• 25:08
  This is this is all being coordinated and it's being coordinated not entirely but overwhelmingly
• 25:15
  From a nation that you can drive around in a day. It's that small. It's it's extraordinary
• 25:19
  And you know people don't seem to realize you ask themselves that question. Why does this tiny nation have so much power?
• 25:27
  Yeah, because it owns your government and it owns mine. Oh, yeah. Yeah completely
• 25:32
  How do you unfuck this situation then? You know, I mean I look at this and it's one of those things where you
• 25:40
  If you've ever watched them make paint, you know, they put a couple colors and swirl it around and that's the color of it
• 25:46
  You can't get it back to that white paint anymore
• 25:48
  Once you've added all these other colors to it
• 25:50
  You see the the whiteness of western europe and they've definitely have changed that is there any coming back from this?
• 25:58
  I mean, how do you well, you know in in in many ways? No
• 26:03
  It you know in many ways no
• 26:05
  But um, you know when I look around britain for instance, which is of course, you know, it's where I live
• 26:10
  So it's my my my travel a bit, but this is my home. So I have a more experienced here like the cities are lost
• 26:16
  I think
• 26:17
  overwhelmingly they are
• 26:19
  The large towns are in big trouble the last bastion of of britishness is the villages to be honest and they are putting up a fight
• 26:27
  you know
• 26:28
  Um, but also what you know what what happens as well is is you know
• 26:32
  Not everyone that comes here is a bad guy, right?
• 26:35
  And so I think you have this you have this problem where on one side every
• 26:40
  Immigrant that comes over as a doctor and on the other side every immigrant that comes over as a terrorist
• 26:44
  Well, that you know the truth is always in the shades of gray in between the two
• 26:48
  And so there's a lot of sort of first second third whatever generation people in this country
• 26:55
  That are they are british and they speak up for britain and they they care about britain
• 26:59
  They're passionate about britain, um, and they can see what's going on as well and they don't like it either
• 27:05
  Um, you know, I remember when I was working as a personal trainer in the city of darby
• 27:10
  Which is a very multi multicultural city
• 27:12
  It's still a majority white but probably not for long to be honest, you know
• 27:16
  And um, I used to train this this guy from pakistan and at the time there was this area of darby
• 27:21
  That was basically just it was just people from pakistan people from bangladesh, essentially
• 27:26
  And he was going off on one and I was like and it was making me laugh because he was going off on one about these
• 27:31
  Lithuanians and these poles that have all moved into this area of it's called normanton road
• 27:37
  They've all moved into normanton road. They don't integrate. They stick to their own
• 27:41
  They've got their own shops. They've got this and that and I was sort of looking at him and he's a lovely bloke
• 27:46
  But I was thinking
• 27:47
  The lack of self-awareness here is is is is quite it's you know, do I mean and
• 27:52
  See for me like my my stance is the same like for everyone
• 27:56
  So when I I remember once going to benedorm in spain, I went to play beach soccer
• 28:01
  And benedorm is basically a place that's been taken over by the brits
• 28:04
  So it's like fry ups and people falling out of pubs and vomiting on themselves at two o'clock in the afternoon
• 28:10
  It's horrible. Anyway, I went there to play football and I remember just looking around and I was just like
• 28:14
  This is outrageous. So this is a spanish. This was a spanish town. Like what the hell is going on with this? It's not on
• 28:23
  And and so, you know my my stance on on people having their own cultures
• 28:28
  Brits shouldn't be going to spain and taking over stuff and you know
• 28:32
  We shouldn't be doing that
• 28:34
  And and this is the thing about this this push for mass integration and mass immigration all across
• 28:40
  Is what you end up with is no culture at all people talk about multiculturalism
• 28:43
  Well, no, what happens is you just end up with a big mush of nothing
• 28:47
  Where you know, there isn't a culture and and they did it a lot
• 28:51
  I think with with currency particularly in europe when they brought the euro in that was half of it you went to
• 28:56
  You enter spain and you got your pay source out and you went to italy and you got your lira out and your francs in
• 29:01
  France and all the rest of it and and there were different places different
• 29:05
  Cultures different languages different currencies and you know
• 29:08
  Now they kind of they're all just molded into one where you sort of you go through a border
• 29:13
  But you don't even realize you're in a border and then you see a roadside you go
• 29:16
  Oh, I'm in belgium. I even realize and they've sort of created that you know
• 29:21
  Here and and it's sold like I say is it's going to be great in multicultural, but it isn't multicultural
• 29:26
  It's it's no culture. It becomes nothing in the end
• 29:30
  I just saw that you know when we were in Serbia a couple months ago
• 29:33
  I just saw that Serbia had an election and somebody who was came out of the blue won it
• 29:37
  Right somebody that they didn't think was going to win it won it and they said well now
• 29:42
  This now they can join the EU
• 29:45
  And I thought
• 29:46
  What is the sales pitch for the EU? Why would why would sir?
• 29:51
  Why would because Croatia's in right, but Serbia is not
• 29:54
  And I was in both places this summer
• 29:58
  And I I started to think like that's interesting. I understand Yugoslavia breaks up because it's you know ethnically
• 30:05
  religious reasons and everything so I understand it's not just one monolithic group, but
• 30:09
  Why would Croatia join the EU?
• 30:12
  Serbia not and then have like maybe a second chance to join it
• 30:17
  I mean at this point. I can't understand why anyone would want to join the EU
• 30:20
  I'm I'm curious what would be the sales pitch to Serbia to get that come come join us
• 30:25
  So you can be a part of this new war that we're going to start. I mean what the fuck well
• 30:28
  I don't think there is a sales pitch is there
• 30:29
  I mean to be honest like we obviously we had the whole brexit thing in 2016 and there wasn't a sales pitch
• 30:37
  To stay like there wasn't one
• 30:40
  So, you know, obviously that lots of people wanted to leave the EU
• 30:43
  Which was why pro brexit parties got elected and obviously they they then had to give the referendum because they promised it
• 30:50
  And it was there in the in the manifesto
• 30:53
  And of course they could have gone ahead and not done it, but then they'd have got battered the next election
• 30:57
  So they had to do it. So the conservative party
• 31:01
  Gave the referendum it was the biggest voter turnout in British history
• 31:06
  And it was voted to leave
• 31:09
  Because there was no argument like the the the leave side as much as I don't trust a lot of people on that side either
• 31:15
  By the way, because you know, you have to control both sides, right?
• 31:19
  They they had legitimate reasons and there were legitimate grievances that people had that they were saying
• 31:23
  Well, actually if we get out, we don't have to do that. We don't have to do that
• 31:26
  Don't have to the side that was about remaining
• 31:29
  They didn't there was no sales pitch because we'd been in the EU since the 1970s and everything had gradually got worse
• 31:35
  So how'd you sell that? So what they did is they went on the the fear rhetoric much
• 31:41
  Like what Netanyahu's done to try and get elected this time, you know
• 31:44
  If you don't bring me in we'll get nuked or whatever
• 31:47
  They did the same here. So Obama flew over
• 31:51
  And and and started telling us that, you know, if you if you vote to leave
• 31:55
  You'll be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with the US and all that
• 31:57
  You had Nick Clegg who was the deputy leader at the time
• 32:01
  Saying that if you we leave the EU World War three will break out
• 32:06
  Never told us why never explained how that would happen
• 32:10
  When it's actually the EU that are pushing it. Do I mean that's the joke of it?
• 32:13
  And so what they went down that path of yes, essentially, yes, we know you hate it. Yes
• 32:19
  We know it's rubbish, but if you vote to leave it will be more rubbish
• 32:23
  So I don't know about you, but that's not really a sales pitch. Do you know what I mean?
• 32:26
  If I'm trying if I'm stood outside a restaurant trying to get people to come in and I go that restaurant's crap
• 32:31
  Isn't that you just eating in there? Yeah, I know it's crap. We're crap too, but
• 32:35
  Come on in like no, you're all right me. So yeah, but at the moment they're they're
• 32:41
  Renegotiating the terms
• 32:43
  Of our relationship with the European Union, which is all well in new speak for gearing up to rejoin
• 32:49
  And everyone knows
• 32:51
  Is that why is that why Obama keeps showing up there?
• 32:55
  In in the UK, we keep seeing that they're like Obama's in London again. Why is this and I'm like, I don't know. Why is this?
• 33:01
  I didn't even know I didn't know he'd been there. I'll be honest. I try and ignore London as much as I can
• 33:05
  I live there for two years. I don't even recognize the place anymore. I mean, I recognize the buildings, you know
• 33:10
  They're quite famous, but in terms of of as a place
• 33:13
  You know London had a vibe about it it did
• 33:16
  And now it's it's gone
• 33:19
  It's gone. Yeah, I joke about that. I was the last time was there was 2019
• 33:24
  And the joke is that there's so many smallies there that it barely looks like pakistan anymore
• 33:29
  And and and you know, it's a strange place, but I remember going and you know, everyone's like, oh
• 33:35
  You know, it's dangerous. There's knife crime. There's this there's that and everything the first time I went was 1989
• 33:42
  Sure enough. I was on my balcony
• 33:44
  We were just standing there looking down on the street. I saw a guy pull a knife
• 33:49
  Rob a lady pull her earrings out of her ears and snatch all her gold off of her and run off
• 33:53
  I was like, holy shit. This is great. That was 1989
• 33:57
  So the idea that this uh, that you know
• 34:01
  London was super safe and and now it's it's less safe. It's like well, maybe probably but in my experience
• 34:07
  I did see some of that early on. I had very very unique experience in London in in 1989
• 34:13
  I saw a guy get robbed or a lady get robbed right there
• 34:18
  I then turned around the corner a couple days later and there's like a big crowd standing out in front of a movie theater and I kind of
• 34:26
  Shimmyed up this little uh light pole just a little bit so I could get up and above everybody else and see what was going on
• 34:32
  I see a limo pull up charles and diana get out walk in wave to everybody and walk right in
• 34:37
  I was like, holy shit. I just said charles and diana like we just left our hotel
• 34:41
  I walked around the corner and I just saw that
• 34:43
  Walk into I like they're going to the James Bond premiere
• 34:47
  And you see you you had the like you had the nursery rhyme version of of london, didn't you?
• 34:54
  He's yeah, I mean london's
• 34:56
  Like I say it had a vibe about it. I mean it was it was you know, it was aggro. It's a city
• 35:01
  It was always aggro. It's just you know, it just seems a lot worse now
• 35:05
  And there's there's an air about it. Like I'm not I'm not a fearful person. I don't I don't believe in it
• 35:12
  But at the same time, you know, so I'll go to london if I have to go to london
• 35:15
  I'll go down and whatever it's fine. Um, I've we still got mates that live there, but
• 35:20
  I don't think I'd want to take my kids there
• 35:22
  You know, I'm not you know, and I would never have been like that before like I'd be fine
• 35:27
  I'll take the kids we'll go to the south bank. Do you know what I mean?
• 35:30
  It's we'll go and look at the Christmas lights or whatever like it would be cool
• 35:33
  Whereas now I'm thinking no, uh, that's all right, mate. I'll I'll I'll
• 35:38
  You know, there's there's plenty of nice stuff around the peak districts and stuff
• 35:42
  I'll I'll steer clear
• 35:43
  They just doesn't have that poll anymore that it used to have which is a real shame because
• 35:48
  Like I say, you know, you heard something about it same thing
• 35:50
  In 2019 there with my family Christmas time
• 35:54
  Thanksgiving time did the whole tourist stuff. It was it was cool
• 35:59
  I was there in 2023 walking around I was filming I was there for a 9 11 event and I remember walking down the street and
• 36:07
  There are all these like homeless guys kind of sitting on the curb and I locked eyes with a guy
• 36:12
  Who was in the process of shooting up heroin?
• 36:15
  And he like looked at me and I looked at him and I was like, oh man, it was so sad
• 36:19
  And it I had the same feeling like
• 36:22
  New York City used to be cool
• 36:24
  A nice place to visit wouldn't want to live here and certainly wouldn't want to take my family here anymore
• 36:28
  That's a damn shame because it didn't have to be that way and it's like they made it this way
• 36:32
  And that's the real shame in New York City because I used to go regularly because I'm a ranger fan
• 36:36
  Obviously, you know, you're like hockey as well
• 36:38
  And so I used to go, you know, send me regularly whenever I could afford to
• 36:42
  And I always had this idea of wanting to take my wife and wanting to take the kids when they're a little bit older
• 36:47
  You know, go and see the statue basically go and see all the stuff
• 36:50
  He's seen the films, you know and all that kind of stuff and now
• 36:53
  it's different like I
• 36:54
  I mean there was always that I mean I went
• 36:57
  With a few mates when I was 21. So oh god, geez Louise. That's a long time ago
• 37:02
  Oh, mate, right. That's like 23 years ago and it feels like it was last week
• 37:07
  But I went and there was you know, I walked I remember turning left and I sort of sort of slightly lost
• 37:12
  I was staying at a hostel in Greenwich Village. I was going a bit lost
• 37:14
  And I walked down and there was this gang of lads sat on top of a car
• 37:17
  And this guy walked over to me and he said to me and this lad Tim that I was with
• 37:22
  People get shot for look round here for looking like you
• 37:24
  And I assumed he was referring to the color of my skin
• 37:28
  And I just went all right, mate and just sort of turned around and went back because that's not an argument
• 37:33
  I'm going to have today
• 37:34
  So it wasn't always great, but most of the time it was it was fab
• 37:38
  It was cool and and and stuff and then I went I think it was 2019 actually I went
• 37:44
  No, it was the Christmas of 2018 actually and I went to watch the Rangers and
• 37:49
  I remember walking out of the hotel opposite Madison Square Garden the Pennsylvania Hotel whatever it's called
• 37:53
  Complete docile by the way. I thought it would be amazing. I got covered in bug bites, but I walked out
• 37:59
  And a bomb had gone off the day before in the subway, which me and my brother actually heard while in bed
• 38:04
  And then flick the tele on and it was all going on about it. So, you know
• 38:07
  Brilliant
• 38:09
  Anyway, so I walk out to go across the road to Madison Square Garden towards the Rangers against
• 38:13
  I think it was Dallas they were playing
• 38:15
  And I got a load of shit a load of abuse off these two guys in the street like
• 38:20
  They had the accent of New Yorkers
• 38:22
  They weren't like they didn't have a Texas twang got loads of shit because I was wearing a ranger shirt and I was like
• 38:26
  Are you being serious? I'm opposite the stadium
• 38:28
  Like of all the places that I should be all right in a ranger shirt
• 38:30
  And they gave me a load of stick and it was it went a bit back and forth no f off no uf on a bit like that
• 38:35
  and I remember just walking into msg like
• 38:38
  I'm in New York City
• 38:39
  I'm in a New York shirt and I've just got abused opposite the stadium like that would never have happened. It was
• 38:45
  Really strange strange scenario
• 38:46
  Yeah
• 38:48
  Yeah, if it's it's it's changed. It's a damn shame too. Um
• 38:54
  Oh god, I remember your rangers. I remember watching that series in 94
• 38:58
  I remember when messier made that
• 39:00
  Proclamation that we're gonna win it. I was like, holy shit
• 39:03
  And if I hadn't known who mark messier was I would have I would have thought he was crazy
• 39:07
  But I knew that guy was a
• 39:08
  Was a real one
• 39:09
  I knew they're gonna win it 94 as soon as he said that I was like, oh shit
• 39:13
  I remember seeing a
• 39:14
  Seeing an interview with him actually and he was saying he woke up the morning of the game
• 39:19
  And his sister had messaged him saying mark
• 39:21
  Have you seen you all over the front of the like new york poster whatever and he was like what and he
• 39:25
  He said he didn't even remember saying it
• 39:28
  But it was
• 39:29
  Oh, no, and it's like it's right there. Yeah, but then it goes and gets a hat trick. That's that's mark messier, right?
• 39:35
  That was yeah, that rangers teams
• 39:38
  That's when I that's when I started following the rangers to be fair
• 39:40
  Not because I was a fair weather fan, but that was my first experience
• 39:43
  I kind of got into hockey sort of 93 94
• 39:45
  And I just loved that ranger team because it was a team of superstars in like I loved adam graves
• 39:50
  And I loved obviously leech and rickshaw and messier, but I loved kovalev like that guy was so
• 39:57
  When he was even he wasn't quite pavel borey quick, but he was hella quick one day
• 40:00
  And he was just like I was gutted when we when we lost him, but yeah, what a play he was
• 40:04
  I was
• 40:07
  Living in los angeles. I was going to usc. This was 94
• 40:12
  And I'm doing the math trying to the seas hockey season is about to start. I'm trying to figure out. Okay gritsky needs
• 40:18
  802
• 40:19
  To break the record
• 40:21
  Here we are
• 40:22
  I'm gonna figure out so find a ticket sometime in march
• 40:26
  See if I can
• 40:27
  So I buy some buy a ticket and and I went to the game
• 40:31
  I saw him get 799. I saw him get 800, but it got waved off
• 40:36
  And so I was off by a couple of games, but I was trying to time it so I could get there to to see but we that was
• 40:43
  Hockey was had come out of nowhere
• 40:45
  And then it was everywhere in los angeles because gritsky was there and there was the
• 40:50
  Forum was selling out every single night and it was the hottest ticket in town
• 40:53
  And we were going to all that because we were in college and we would find like
• 40:57
  Cheap tickets somewhere and a friend of a friend have them we'd go sneak in and
• 41:02
  And that was like the the golden era of hockey
• 41:05
  In my opinion
• 41:07
  Yeah, he was that has been the games changed a lot now, isn't it and
• 41:11
  Yeah, I thought like this was again, he's had
• 41:14
  We're told it was supposed to keep politics out of sport
• 41:17
  Like but they only ever say that when when when they don't want to use that particular piece politics, right?
• 41:23
  So it's it's okay when we do it and I saw when um
• 41:27
  When a vetchkin was about to break gritsky's record, which which of course he has now
• 41:31
  Larry Brooks, which is the only reason I saw it because he writes for the new york post
• 41:35
  He writes on for ranger games whatever
• 41:37
  Having this whole tirade this whole article about how because the vetchkin is not a hater of putin
• 41:42
  You know because russian players in the us are basically told to take an allegiance against him
• 41:47
  aren't they essentially
• 41:48
  Because like the rangers at the time had to had panarin who doesn't like putin so he's cool. He's allowed
• 41:54
  Um, whereas a vetchkin's quite supportive of him and this article was how we shouldn't honor the fact that he breaks
• 42:00
  Gretzky's record like we should basically just ignore it because and you're like me the guy's
• 42:06
  About to break the gold scoring record of arguably the greatest ice hockey player to ever breathe like
• 42:11
  Maybe give him a couple of column inches, you know, even if he even if he does like putin, but there you go
• 42:17
  that's that's
• 42:18
  My buddy and I my buddy who I had gone to high school with he started this company
• 42:24
  And he didn't know he wasn't really doing much with it and I joined him
• 42:28
  In uh 2000 it was a he was doing media training for pro athletes and he was working with pete samper
• 42:33
  So it was this big. He only had one client was pete samper, so I was like, hey, this is we could do this
• 42:37
  This could be like a big thing. We this could be like way bigger
• 42:40
  And he said, okay, fine. And so he quit his job. I quit my job
• 42:43
  We came together and started this really kind of blew up this company and and
• 42:48
  Through a connection I had I wound up sitting down with the ceo of img
• 42:54
  Which is like the you know is my mom calls me and says I think I sold a house to tiger woods's agent
• 43:01
  And when I said now you didn't do that and she says no his name is bob cane and he's the ceo of img
• 43:06
  And I said, oh shit. You sold a house to tiger woods agents boss and she's like, oh, I did
• 43:13
  So anyway, she hooked me up with this guy and I wound up having meetings with him and anyway
• 43:17
  He helped my company. He helped us get in and one of the first gigs we got was img hockey
• 43:24
  And so in 2002
• 43:27
  We're working with the summer camp. They fly all these kids into la they put them up at uc la
• 43:32
  and they're a 14 15 year old kids and
• 43:35
  They're from all over the world and and img wants to show them a you know a week of hockey and you know
• 43:42
  Get them coached up, but they can't sign with them because they're too young
• 43:45
  But you know, they're gonna hopefully get them signed. So we're working with
• 43:49
  This batch of 30 kids and giving them personality tests and doing all this stuff with them
• 43:54
  And the the heads of the agency pull us. They say, hey, we want to go to the the rink and watch these guys play
• 43:59
  We're like, yeah, of course
• 44:01
  So we go down they say, all right. Well, we've got one kid. We want you to
• 44:05
  spend a little bit more time with we're like, oh, is he like
• 44:09
  Messed up or it's bad. No. No. No. He's really good
• 44:11
  He's gonna be the next Gretzky and I go, oh, I gotta stop time out like stop
• 44:16
  You guys can't do that to this kid. That's so unfair. You can't do that
• 44:19
  You can't put that label on him and the agent goes. No, no, I agree. I totally agree. I'm not the one saying it
• 44:25
  Gretzky's saying it and I was like, all right. Let's see this kid. Who is he?
• 44:29
  We go it was named Sydney Crosby. He's gonna be a star
• 44:32
  He's 14
• 44:34
  We watch him. He's just out there crushing everybody. We're like, oh my god
• 44:37
  We grab him off the ice pretend like we're doing an interview with him
• 44:41
  He's amazing. I look at my partner. I go
• 44:44
  This kid's like 30 in a 14 year old body. We're like, I don't think he needs us. So anyway, we wanted to
• 44:50
  Short story. We wanted to oveys one of our clients as well
• 44:53
  Had him since the beginning as well all these guys and so
• 44:57
  um, it's been fun for me to watch
• 44:59
  them turn from kids into
• 45:02
  I don't Olympic champions
• 45:04
  three times Stanley Cup champions
• 45:07
  MVP's all these things because I remember watching these kids when they were
• 45:10
  They're first, you know, they're first time in America
• 45:14
  Eyes are big now. They're multi-millionaire
• 45:17
  Multi-millionaires going in the hall of fame and in oveys case, he's gonna he's got to set the record. So
• 45:22
  Amazing to watch this happen over the last 20 years. I mean cross cross be with someone else
• 45:27
  I've got a mate that I grew up playing hockey with who was obsessed with that guy
• 45:31
  Like obsessed with that guy is a um, he's a big penguins fan. He just loves cross be started off with the penguins because he
• 45:37
  Love me Lemieux, you're right. And yeah, that guy was like insane as well
• 45:42
  To to be able to essentially get leukemia retire by the club because you can't play anymore
• 45:47
  Then decide to come out of retirement and then still just smash it in the NHL like how many like 18 months later
• 45:52
  his
• 45:53
  Yeah, some weird Michael Jordan stuff that it's crazy. Yeah, people don't know that story
• 45:57
  People don't remember if people forget about that story of of of what was going on there
• 46:02
  Yeah, that was it. What do you have?
• 46:03
  Hodgkin's lymphoma or something didn't he?
• 46:06
  I mean to be honest like I still play hockey and you know, I mean I struggle
• 46:12
  Um for days afterwards and I don't have Hodgkin's lymphoma. So how he was doing that is just incredible
• 46:18
  I yeah, it's amazing with these guys. Um
• 46:21
  What's the what's the flavor going on in the uk as far as uh
• 46:28
  As far as I don't know. What's just the vibe with sports there? Um
• 46:32
  Well, Manchester United are shocking. Um, and which is funny. Um, because Manchester city got the got got
• 46:41
  Reamed from what I saw. How's it? How's a no-gallagher handling?
• 46:48
  It's funny because like you you see you talk about sports and people watching this might be like
• 46:53
  Well, hang on. I didn't sign up for a chat about sports
• 46:55
  But because I get accused that all the time it's bread and circuses, mate. It's like, yeah, but it
• 47:00
  It a lot of the time it's kind of
• 47:04
  It sums up life a lot sport like but also like elite level professional sport
• 47:11
  You see the corruption and stuff that's going on in that as well
• 47:14
  and and
• 47:16
  It's it's insane. I remember years ago
• 47:18
  I used to work in a gym and the and a guy was a fitness trainer there who used to play professional football
• 47:22
  Played for Derby County. So that's the second tier of English football. Um, I think he made some appearances in the Premier League
• 47:28
  for Sheffield United I think and I remember we were talking about football
• 47:31
  I was talking about football someone else and he sort of piped up and he said well, it's all fixed anyway, mate and I went
• 47:36
  well
• 47:38
  like
• 47:39
  Maybe in Italy
• 47:41
  But he was like no, he was like no elite level. He's like not derby county level don't panic
• 47:46
  Because we're all derby fans who don't panic. So but elite like top end. He's like it's fixed anyway, mate
• 47:51
  like it's true
• 47:52
  And I always carried that with me and then when we watched the World Cup
• 47:55
  This year with all his nonsense with Argentina just kind of you know
• 47:59
  And the referee and you were like
• 48:00
  And I gradually saw people slowly wake up to the fact that actually maybe this whole thing is completely scripted
• 48:06
  And then you had that crazy thing with with
• 48:08
  Um, Lameen Lamal who's now this up-and-coming superstar and the fact that Messi who's now on the way out
• 48:14
  Had a photo up where he bathed him as a baby
• 48:18
  Yeah
• 48:19
  What um and and that to me was like a passing of the torch like some kind of weird
• 48:25
  You know symbolic thing. Yeah, so there's that aspect of football
• 48:30
  You've got Manchester City who are owned by a state, which I don't think it should be legal anyway
• 48:35
  Who have just broken 115? Well, no, that's not true. They were charged with 115 rule breaches
• 48:42
  But they were only found guilty on 114. So I
• 48:44
  sort of get that one right so 114 breaches
• 48:49
  Where essentially they've cheated all these other teams out of out of championships and all the rest of it for years
• 48:54
  And then you've got Manchester united who are still probably the biggest football club in the world who are shocking
• 49:00
  And have been appalling since they banned my dad from speaking there and I quite like that
• 49:04
  It's almost like they have been they they he was booked to speak at the venue and they pulled under pressure from the government and
• 49:11
  You know pro-israel groups as is usually the case
• 49:14
  And um, yeah, ever since then they've just been appalling and they've gradually just got worse and worse and worse and worse
• 49:19
  And now they're talking um openly on the telly about the fact that they're now in a relegation battle
• 49:23
  Which for Manchester united is that's that that's just in that's just never heard of that's just insane
• 49:30
  That you know, that's
• 49:32
  Like what that's like the dallas cowboys going out of business and getting relegated to a lower minor league division because they're so bad
• 49:38
  You'd be like, well, yeah, you know, it's it's there's such a behemoth like that will never happen
• 49:43
  But you think well actually no that could happen. So that's quite funny
• 49:47
  Watching that go on
• 49:48
  Um
• 49:49
  In terms of what's happening in the uk with sports other than that not much
• 49:54
  Um, although yesterday arsenal who were the champions of england got beaten in the cup by a team
• 50:00
  Um, I heard from yeah fleetwood. So a town. Um, it's about 18 000 people
• 50:07
  Um, which is quite funny
• 50:09
  Yeah, that is funny. Yeah, they got
• 50:12
  Like when that the us women's world cup team would play like a friendly against the
• 50:19
  15 year old boys and get beat five to two
• 50:21
  Back in the back here in the states that was that's that's one that they still haven't lived down when you're when your world cup team
• 50:29
  Is getting smoked by a bunch of 15 year old boys. That's uh, absolutely
• 50:32
  Do you know what though female football women's football in england is brilliant now, you know
• 50:37
  It never used to be like it kind of there was this big kind of equality drive where they should be paid the same as the men and it's like
• 50:44
  Well, look the men are playing in a stadium full of 90 000 people and
• 50:48
  The women are playing to 1000 people in in the local sunday team ground
• 50:52
  It's not really the same like financially
• 50:54
  But the levels now have got to a serious like point where i'll be honest
• 50:59
  I prefer a lot of the time watching women's football because they actually don't dive around
• 51:04
  They don't do the theatrics, you know where a player comes near them. They suddenly hold their face and roll
• 51:08
  You don't see that in women's football. You see in men's football. It's embarrassing actually, but you don't see it in women's football
• 51:14
  They've
• 51:16
  They've not they've not taken that aspect on of the men's game, which I think is great
• 51:20
  I actually find it more enjoyable to watch
• 51:23
  I had such a fun time. It was leaving croatia. I was trying to get to the airport
• 51:28
  It's four o'clock in the morning. I'm checking out in my hotel
• 51:31
  And uh, i'm in debrubnik and this and as i'm going through like a totally empty lobby
• 51:38
  As you would expect I hear this yelling going on and i'm like, what is that and I look there's a sports bar
• 51:43
  And it's open it's four o'clock in the morning
• 51:46
  All right, well, I gotta go check this out. What's going on in here? I go walk and it's
• 51:49
  The big one of the biggest televisions i've ever seen has got the usa world cup team
• 51:54
  It's just started it's the beginning of the world cup
• 51:57
  And there's three brits in there and they go I go you you guys open and they go, hey, come on it
• 52:02
  Wait, are you american? Yeah, they go go get in here. Get in here. Get in here. We're watching football
• 52:06
  We're watching football. You want a beer? You want a beer? I'm like, I'm trying to get to the airport
• 52:10
  I gotta get out of here. He's like you got to watch for a little while
• 52:13
  All right, so
• 52:14
  So these get four o'clock in the morning. They're still going strong
• 52:18
  They all they wanted to do is sit up and watch that game. I would had I not had a plane to catch
• 52:24
  It look at the the most fun. I could have had was been just spend
• 52:28
  You know the rest of you know an hour or so watched the tail end of the game with these guys who were
• 52:33
  So appreciative it's so interested in the world cup. It made me
• 52:37
  It made me interested in it, which I already am
• 52:39
  I mean I played soccer growing up and everything in college
• 52:42
  One of the few people who actually is interested in it, but but just so you know when I got back to the us
• 52:48
  It was a big thing. I had never I'd never experienced that and I remember going to 94 I went to the
• 52:54
  USA Romania
• 52:56
  I went to uh, sweden brazil. I didn't actually go to it. I went to the
• 53:01
  The I was out in the parking lot at the rose bowl for I'll talk about tailgating
• 53:06
  Sweden
• 53:08
  Brazil tailgating. Oh my god. I mean I just wandered around there and that was the greatest but
• 53:13
  America is starting to get into well, we still call it soccer, of course
• 53:17
  So that's a big problem, but
• 53:19
  This might be the year it might turn around. I actually thought my wife was actually interested in it
• 53:25
  Which it never happens. So yeah, I don't know
• 53:28
  Well, England are a decent team now, you know England are a decent team
• 53:32
  Although I still watch I can't forgive the manager for his tactics against argentina
• 53:36
  And that's still he still bugs me and me and my brother actually having a conversation the other day
• 53:40
  We went to holland and um
• 53:42
  We sat on this train for like two hours and we started talking about football
• 53:44
  I was like, I've not forgiven him. Like I'm so annoyed. I'm still so annoyed because I can't stand argentina anyway
• 53:50
  Even before malay and that I still I could I've never I can't stand them
• 53:55
  Um, particularly as a footballing nation because there's just a bunch of cheats
• 53:59
  And it's not just england that they cheat. So it's not just me being bitter. They cheat against everyone
• 54:03
  And um, so I'm not a fan
• 54:05
  So losing to them, especially when they're such a poor team
• 54:08
  So we go one a lap
• 54:11
  The two center halves are both on yellow cards. They've got no legs at all. Anyway
• 54:16
  And so he takes off the golf scorer doesn't bring on any attacking players
• 54:21
  purely puts on defensive players
• 54:23
  And then just sits back and retreats and retreats and retreats
• 54:26
  And my wife was watching the game with me and I'm
• 54:29
  England won the lap in the in the um in the
• 54:32
  semi-final of the world cup, right and I'm sat like that
• 54:36
  I've got face on proper face on and Gemma's like, what's the matter?
• 54:40
  I was like, can you are you not watching the game? I was like, this has got two one written all over it, mate
• 54:43
  I said, this is embarrassing actually
• 54:46
  um
• 54:47
  And as evidence you can go back through my twitter. I was literally tweeting it
• 54:50
  I was like, this is in and then it went one one
• 54:52
  I was like, well, it's a matter of time then and then they got the second
• 54:55
  You know a guy scores a header and he's about five foot six
• 55:00
  Well, that's possible
• 55:01
  And I just was just I was so angry, mate
• 55:03
  And then the next game they play France who are a much better team than than argentina
• 55:08
  They put all those attacking players out that they didn't play against Argentina and you and you beat france 6-3
• 55:15
  Yeah
• 55:16
  Where was that? Yeah, I'm still angry. You can tell this is a in in american football
• 55:21
  They have something it's like when when the team is up and they're just they just want to kind of run out the clock and
• 55:27
  They'll play something called prevent defense. They call it. It's the prevent defense
• 55:31
  But the the knock on it is always it prevents you from winning. That's what they always say it prevents you from when as soon as you go into this
• 55:36
  full defensive mindset
• 55:39
  Then you're doing something differently. You're you're just you're asking for trouble and once you you switch that
• 55:45
  I always I'm the same way if I had hair. I'd be pulling it out. I'm always screaming
• 55:49
  Go on offense. You're kicking their ass. Stop. Don't
• 55:52
  You know switch to the attack
• 55:55
  The best form of defense is attack. That was always what we were taught as kids
• 56:00
  You know
• 56:01
  Give them something to think about because if you just back off they will get organized
• 56:05
  They'll get emboldened they get more confident and they'll come at you and and again where sports connects into life
• 56:11
  That is the same as what how our dynamic is with politicians if we're fearful of politicians
• 56:16
  Oh god, I hope they don't bring back the mask mandates. I'm like no go on the offense
• 56:20
  Go on. I dare you to bring them back mate like
• 56:24
  That's the the the whole thing is is is about
• 56:28
  Attack being the best form of defense rather rather than being apologetic, which is what england became
• 56:32
  They were apologizing for being there. They sort of wanted to go home. Didn't they please blow the whistle ref
• 56:36
  And you're like me there's half an hour to go. What are you doing?
• 56:39
  And um, yeah, yeah
• 56:41
  Still one that's in mind. It's boy. It's it's it's also sort of a like a really kind of like a metaphor for
• 56:45
  For life as well, you know as soon as you start to like
• 56:49
  Curl up in a ball and hope and hope that the beating stops or or or run out the clock so that you can get through it
• 56:55
  Boy, I don't know. I just said it put your mind into a different
• 56:59
  a different uh
• 57:00
  Yeah, and I I've I've always had problems with that
• 57:03
  I've never been like a coach of course, but I've been coached and and you know how it goes like sometimes
• 57:07
  The message comes in that the strategy changes mid-game and you look around like why are we doing this everything was going well
• 57:13
  What are we doing? Yeah, but I'm a coach
• 57:16
  in English mentality of
• 57:20
  Well, I think there's a mentality around the world, but particularly in in England of of
• 57:25
  Defeat from the jaws of victory, you know
• 57:27
  And lots of people live their lives like that like I know people like that
• 57:31
  Like I can be a bit of a mardass, but in my defense Charlie
• 57:33
  I see a lot of dark stuff every day doing what I'm doing and it's hard to not take that on
• 57:39
  But I can be a mardass right whatever, but
• 57:42
  You know, I know so many people that you're like me it's
• 57:45
  How how how great is the weather today and their response is yeah, but it but it rains later though
• 57:51
  You know what they're not cloud in the sky. What are you talking about? I bet it does that
• 57:55
  But it does and you're like and then and then hours later they go see I told you it rain and you're like, yeah
• 58:01
  On one level, maybe you're right on the other level. Maybe you brought that rain with your whole don't I mean
• 58:07
  Whole negative attitude that actually you attract that stuff
• 58:11
  You know, there's no there's no mistake that the greatest
• 58:15
  Sportsmen and women the greatest, you know creators of anything whether it be art or whatever are generally really highly driven positive
• 58:24
  People that are not going to take no for an answer. No, I am going to make it
• 58:28
  You know every every single person you look at someone like Wayne Rooney
• 58:31
  Like this guy was a big superstar
• 58:33
  He got rejected by Liverpool because he was too small and he ends up at Everton and then he goes and scores
• 58:37
  A winning goal against Arsenal when he's 16 years old
• 58:41
  Goes off and breaks the record for Manchester United most goals for Manchester United and all the rest of it
• 58:45
  All of these players will all start with that story like Harry Kane. For instance, he's just won the Ballon d'Or
• 58:51
  He was you know, when Tottenham first had him as a kid
• 58:53
  He was sent on loan nothing to Leicester to Leighton Orien, which is like leap to he was sent off to Millwall loads of other
• 59:00
  Yeah, just send him out on loan again
• 59:01
  Yeah, whatever
• 59:02
  And we can't sell him because I was going to buy him so just send him out on loan
• 59:05
  And um and now, you know, he's he's just been crowned the greatest player on the planet
• 59:10
  But all all people in my experience that have achieved anything
• 59:14
  Have done it from a place of you're never going to achieve anything and rather than go. I know
• 59:20
  They've gone
• 59:21
  Do I bet?
• 59:22
  You know and they and they've gone. Well, you know more than me Charlie
• 59:25
  You've dealt with with elite sports people like
• 59:29
  They're wired differently. Yeah, they there's a there's a
• 59:32
  A fearless it's like it's never crossed their mind some for some of them. It's never crossed their mind the failure
• 59:39
  Which can be a problem once they fail then it gets in their mind that hey
• 59:43
  It's possible that they can fail and you can see like the wheels unravel
• 59:47
  We had a a division our company was set up
• 59:51
  At img academies. I went and set up in 2003 there
• 59:55
  So we were like the communication division of that but the next
• 59:59
  the next uh
• 1:00:01
  Office over
• 1:00:02
  Was the sport psychology, right? So so we would hang out with those guys and it's it's such a
• 1:00:08
  interesting
• 1:00:11
  Dynamic where you these guys would be world-class athletes
• 1:00:16
  At the top of their game
• 1:00:18
  But they had you know, a lot of them were
• 1:00:21
  A little bit cuckoo and they weren't exactly the best at dealing with
• 1:00:26
  Stress I watched a tennis. I watched I'm not going to name him, but I watched this professional tennis player
• 1:00:31
  It was just practicing
• 1:00:33
  Destroy had to have destroyed at least seven or eight rackets in the course of
• 1:00:38
  10 minutes just smashing them again just out of his mind and i'm sitting next to the psychology guy going
• 1:00:44
  Well, you got your work cut out for you. He goes. Yeah, he's got a lot of personal issues a lot of family stuff going on
• 1:00:50
  so it's like
• 1:00:51
  You know like
• 1:00:52
  I had to like remind myself. Hey also these guys are human beings who are going through some stuff
• 1:00:58
  And it's really tough especially in sports when you're told you get cut or you get sent down like you know
• 1:01:03
  You're talking about the minor leagues or loaned out in places like that
• 1:01:07
  You got to have a really
• 1:01:09
  Really tough
• 1:01:10
  Mentality to come back from that especially when every single year they're drafting new people to replace you
• 1:01:16
  You know, they're hey, we're so excited about this new guy
• 1:01:19
  We got in the draft and you're like what about me you got me last year
• 1:01:22
  You're not excited about me anymore. So there's always that going on and
• 1:01:25
  Boy, I don't know. I tell people that like
• 1:01:28
  Professional athletes have it good. It's like well the good ones, you know the ones at the very top
• 1:01:33
  It all seems very easy, but if you're in a mid level or low level
• 1:01:37
  You're spending your entire life fighting for a job that somebody else is going to take or you don't want to get hurt
• 1:01:43
  You got to rush back from an injury because you're afraid you're going to lose your spot
• 1:01:46
  Even though you shouldn't you know, it's just the reality of the situation. It's uh, well, I think also you see a lot where
• 1:01:52
  Um, you know because there's so much money involved in in sports and elite sports and stuff
• 1:01:59
  That suddenly the human element is kind of removed
• 1:02:02
  Like I listen to sports radio when i'm driving to and from the studio because I don't want to put the news on because
• 1:02:07
  It's just miserable and most music crap now
• 1:02:09
  So I so I end up, you know, just listening to sports radio
• 1:02:12
  It's kind of chewing gum for the brain, but whatever some of it's quite funny
• 1:02:15
  There's some quite funny hosts
• 1:02:17
  And you know, you have these phonins and people are ranting about
• 1:02:21
  You know, maybe someone's got some mental health issues and I but the guy for god's sake the guy's on a hundred grand a week
• 1:02:27
  And you're like
• 1:02:28
  Yeah
• 1:02:30
  But that I see not got emotions then like his you know, his wife left him for his teammate
• 1:02:35
  Does that not matter then because he's got a hundred grand a week in which case like can I can I have an affair with
• 1:02:41
  Your wife and then just give you some money. I mean, I should be fair. He might just say yeah
• 1:02:44
  But you get my point like there there is
• 1:02:47
  People, you know, forget that there is it doesn't matter how much money you earn
• 1:02:50
  Like if you've got demons and you've got stuff going on then then then you have, you know
• 1:02:54
  People put a lot of stock in money and to be honest like
• 1:02:58
  You must know this better than me try a bit in my experience like because I've been involved in in football
• 1:03:03
  I've been involved in in in music
• 1:03:06
  Um and and even in what I do now interviewing people and go and travel around
• 1:03:09
  Like I've met a lot of people that have got a lot of money
• 1:03:12
  Over the years like some of them talking like hundreds of millions
• 1:03:15
  They're all miserable bastards
• 1:03:17
  Like they are I've actually to this point. I've met well, maybe one like Simon Dolan is quite a wealthy guy
• 1:03:23
  He's kind of he's a bit more upbeat
• 1:03:25
  But apart from him, he's the absolute exception everyone else really that I've met with serious money
• 1:03:31
  Oh my god, there's the most miserable people of a man
• 1:03:34
  And so you just think to yourself
• 1:03:36
  Okay, so maybe money's not everything then
• 1:03:38
  Because you know my sister when I lived in Gambia in the Gambia for like four months and she said
• 1:03:43
  The same thing she said these people have got nothing and they're all smiling
• 1:03:46
  So the only people I met that were miserable were German tourists that were all minted
• 1:03:50
  And and they were there all day and and the place wasn't good enough for them
• 1:03:53
  And they weren't happy about it
• 1:03:54
  And you're like it just goes to show, you know money's not the answer to everything. Yeah people think it is but
• 1:04:00
  It's not yeah
• 1:04:03
  I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind some more of it though Charlie. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm
• 1:04:07
  Yeah
• 1:04:07
  To give you the flexibility to do the things you want to do
• 1:04:11
  I know and I understand and I suppose money it just makes you a bigger version of what you are, right?
• 1:04:16
  If you're a you're a good person with money, then you then you probably
• 1:04:20
  Um can do a lot of amazing things with it. If you're a bad person who received a lot of money
• 1:04:24
  I I think you'll probably find ways to either lose it or
• 1:04:28
  It'll go to the wrong people but yeah, well, it just gives you a bit more freedom than it
• 1:04:32
  I think that's that's how I look at money. If I if I had money
• 1:04:35
  I'd have more freedom to not worry about paying the bills and maybe you know
• 1:04:38
  I could take the kids
• 1:04:38
  You know rather than trying to teach them
• 1:04:40
  About the history of the roman empire. Let's go to rome, you know, like that kind of stuff would be cool, you know, but for sure
• 1:04:48
  Well speaking of that, what's uh, what's on your?
• 1:04:51
  Agenda for the next
• 1:04:53
  Couple months next year. What are you what are you working on? Where are you going? Am I going to see you in mexico?
• 1:04:57
  Are you yes? I'm going to mexico. I'm very excited actually to do that
• 1:05:00
  But unfortunately jemma's not coming with me. I'm on my own on this one. Um, okay
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, because we we we it tended to be like because we come for the last two years. That's like our
• 1:05:09
  Time as well. So I speak obviously and and network and do everything I need to do to be part of anakapoca
• 1:05:14
  But also me and jemma get to spend some time just the two of us without the kids and stuff
• 1:05:19
  Um, you know and first year it wasn't as much fun without the kids though. You guys were a bit stressed not being
• 1:05:24
  Well, it was the first time charlie
• 1:05:26
  We'd ever not not not only the first time that we'd ever been away from them
• 1:05:30
  As in abroad but like the first time we'd ever been away from them
• 1:05:34
  And so they were with her mum and and like her mum's incredible
• 1:05:37
  I love her mum to bit. So I didn't have any worries there, but you just you're paranoid
• 1:05:41
  You're like if she falls over it breaks her arm or something then I'm
• 1:05:45
  Well, I can't I won't be there for two days. That's that's yeah
• 1:05:49
  So that was weird and that is the reason why jemma's basically said this year
• 1:05:52
  Just you go and I'll you know stay with the kids because you'll be less stressed worrying about
• 1:05:57
  The kids because they'll be with me and and I won't be worried because I'll be with them
• 1:06:00
  So, um, yeah, but yeah, I'm coming I'm looking forward to that and
• 1:06:04
  In terms of projects and stuff
• 1:06:05
  Obviously you've got loads of weekly shows and things although at the moment
• 1:06:08
  I'm doing like nine shows a week and I'm burning out. I look tired. So, um
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  I'm working on a couple of documentaries which one hopefully will be before the end of the year and then one
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  You know probably next year
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  One is is about four three two hertz, you know like the history behind that in terms of the music
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  So it's yes, just a bit different. Yeah. Yeah
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  And and stuff
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  What's that all about?
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  You know, why was it changed to 440? You know, what what's that all about?
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  And then another one to probably be next year now, which is interesting
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  So there's a place not far from where I'm sat. I'm in Derby in the studio
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  The place not far from his place called Aston Hall. They've knocked it down now, but it was a um
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  I think it was like a country estate type thing and then it was it then it became a school and then it became, you know
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  Basically a place for apparently sort of young offenders, whatever
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  But during the 70s and 80s and early 90s
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  It was basically britain's mk ultra
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  And it's about 20 minutes from where I'm sat and so these kids that were, you know, they come from broken homes
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  They've maybe fallen into drugs or whatever they would be, you know
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  You can't go to prison because you're a kid
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  Um, so they would put in in this but anyway, it turns out the guy that's running it is basically freaking mengler
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  And he was testing all these drugs and stuff on these kids. They were getting beaten
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  They were being abused sexually and physically and all the rest of it
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  Um, because well, who are they going to write home to right like a lot of them were runaways and stuff and so
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  What he was really trying to crack this guy, which I don't and I don't believe he was working independently was a truth serum
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  So
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  Yeah, so I ended up interviewing one of the guys. He's a he's a grown up. He's a bloke now
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  He's in his 50s 60s. Maybe he has he's got a best-selling book on it
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  And so it made the mainstream media when it all came out
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  But not really like there was a little bit here and there should have been front page, but it wasn't
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  um
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  And he's connected us with two or three other survivors
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  Um from that ordeal. So we're going to try and make a documentary about
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  Essentially the british mk ultra because I think people look at stuff
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  And oh that goes on there that goes on there that went on there and you're like, no
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  I might make this place is how this stuff is happening everywhere and here's some examples that are 20 minutes from where you live, you know, so um
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  But understandably, you know, these people have been through an awful lot and so actually trying to get them
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  Fixed in for interview slots for you know, and they're very distrusting which I totally get
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  So they're kind of like right. Well, who are you and what do you like?
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  Is it going to be a hit piece? Are you going to do that?
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  And I totally get those questions completely. Of course, it's not going to be but they don't know that
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  So that one might be a bit longer to get over the line, but I think it's an important one to make
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  For sure
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  Yeah, I'd watch both of those. That's great. How about the walk?
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  Still don't still walking. Love it, mate. Love it. I've been editing some ones recently
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  Actually, I went down to wales make wales is crazy like in terms of the history there
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  Because what's great about it is you've got all the industrial history, which I love anyway a bit of a geek for that
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  But you've also got, you know, the king arthur pen dragon stuff
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  You've got that sort of almost almost like a mythical element thrown into it as well
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  Um, so yeah, I'm editing a few of them at the moment to put out in the next week or two
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