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Look after nature and it'll look after you too with Aaron Fleming · Toni, Jase & Sam - Breakfast Catchup

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Speaker 1: We Need to Talk, Tony Street's lifestyle and Wellness podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hello, it is great to have you with us today
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Speaker 2: on We Need to Talk. Here is a question for you.
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Speaker 2: What are you actively doing each week to support your
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Speaker 2: mental health. Maybe it's exercise, meditation, breath work, or making
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Speaker 2: sure that you connect regularly with your mates, But do
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Speaker 2: you include nature in that equation. Aaron Fleming from Doc
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Speaker 2: has a history of depression and he believes that nature
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Speaker 2: is one of the most important remedies. He hasn't had
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Speaker 2: an easy ride in his life. At sixteen, his right
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Speaker 2: lung collapsed not once, but four times. He had two
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Speaker 2: major surgeries, and has battle both depression and addiction. But
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Speaker 2: despite all of that and being told he could not
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Speaker 2: physically exert himself again, he then managed to compete in
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Speaker 2: multiple Iron Man so and I'd love to know how
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Speaker 2: that will end it up. Aaron is lovely to have
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Speaker 2: you with us today. Thanks so much for joining me.
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Speaker 3: My absolute pleasure. It's great to be here.
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Speaker 2: So first of all, can you tell us why you're
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Speaker 2: getting behind this big push to get people into nature
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Speaker 2: as a medicine for their mental health.
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Speaker 3: I have found this medicine myself. As you touched on
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Speaker 3: in that opening. Haven't had the easiest ride through life.
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Speaker 3: I had that particularly tough time as a teenager, and
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Speaker 3: it really did help to shape my values through those
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Speaker 3: difficult years. But one thing that I found was nature.
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Speaker 3: It was a healer, it was a therapist, it was
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Speaker 3: a teacher. It's also a playground. And I spent time
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Speaker 3: in nature and just fell in love with it, and
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Speaker 3: natures there for all of us. Doesn't matter who we are,
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Speaker 3: it will always be there, and it's such a good
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Speaker 3: healer for us.
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Speaker 2: When you say nature, what exactly are you meaning? You know,
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Speaker 2: are we talking going for a walk in the bush.
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Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
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Speaker 3: It could be anything. It could be doing something in
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Speaker 3: your backyard and doing something for the birds that come
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Speaker 3: and visit you in your backyard. It could be visiting
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Speaker 3: a regional park and going for those walks and getting
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Speaker 3: that deep fresh breath of air, looking at the grandeur landscapes,
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Speaker 3: looking at the coastlines. Or it could be going out
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Speaker 3: for multiple days as I now do now and having
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Speaker 3: that solitude and that space is to reset, to rethink,
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Speaker 3: and to build on that strongest bustle that we've got,
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Speaker 3: which is between.
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Speaker 2: Our ears being out and having that solitude on your own.
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Speaker 2: That can actually be an uncomfortable thing for some people
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Speaker 2: because then they get in their own head. Have you
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Speaker 2: always been comfortable being on your own?
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Speaker 3: I've taught myself to be comfortable in that space, So
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Speaker 3: when I started to venture out into nature, that wasn't
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Speaker 3: the first thing I did was go out for multiple
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Speaker 3: days on end. First of all, I did go out
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Speaker 3: with others. I learned to get my confidence in that
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Speaker 3: space first and foremost, I learned how to be safe
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Speaker 3: in that space. And then to the point where I
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Speaker 3: actually did enjoy my own company. I enjoyed the quiet,
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed listening, I enjoyed observing. And yes, I say,
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Speaker 3: I can go out for multiple days now on my own.
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Speaker 3: It's with good safety equipment with me a PLB, and
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Speaker 3: I have that time on my own, and it's really healing.
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Speaker 3: It's a great way to reset.
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Speaker 2: And you have had to heal because you have had
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Speaker 2: a bit of a rocky road. Let's go back to
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Speaker 2: what happened. First of all, when you were sixteen and
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Speaker 2: you had a collapse lung. How did that happen?
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Speaker 3: It's got a spontaneous new authorax. I suppose to keep
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Speaker 3: where there. It's spontaneous. You don't know it's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: They don't really know why it happens. It just kind
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Speaker 3: of happens. I was unlucky. My right lung did collapse
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Speaker 3: four times over a period of six months, required two
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Speaker 3: lots of pretty major surgery, number of years of recovery,
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Speaker 3: and to a point where I couldn't even wear a
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Speaker 3: backpack on my back for a number of years. I
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Speaker 3: couldn't walk a short distance to school and sept I
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Speaker 3: spent the best part of the year off school as
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Speaker 3: a sixteen year old. So it's a real tough time
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Speaker 3: in my life and a real important time in your
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Speaker 3: life as well. I had to teach myself on how
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Speaker 3: to find purpose and to find my why and to
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Speaker 3: kind of rebuild myself. And what was I saw as
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Speaker 3: ground zero at that time.
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Speaker 2: Is that sort of the time of your life where
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Speaker 2: you think a bit of the depression kicked in an
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Speaker 2: addiction or did that come later?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I got myself into a real dark space in
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Speaker 3: those years.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 3: The addiction that we refer to here was pain relief,
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Speaker 3: Like it was my body craving the pain relief that
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Speaker 3: I was on. It was epidurals, morphine pumps, lots of
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Speaker 3: tablets like it was the works, it was a cocktail.
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Speaker 3: I was shaking, My body was craving this. I didn't
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Speaker 3: know if I was a sleeper. I was awake, and
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Speaker 3: I got myself into this really dark space. And my
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Speaker 3: mom found me on the kitchen floor one morning at
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Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, and I just remember looking
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Speaker 3: at my mum saying, I can't do this anymore. And
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Speaker 3: I just found this really, really, this really deep space,
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Speaker 3: which you know, I knew I had to build myself
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Speaker 3: out of because when I heard myself say those words,
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Speaker 3: that wasn't me I was. That wasn't me speaking, It
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Speaker 3: was something else. And so I had to find that strength,
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Speaker 3: that courage, that bravery to be able to lift myself
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Speaker 3: out of that space with the help of others as well.
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Speaker 2: Now, how did you do that took us through that recovery.
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Speaker 3: There was a remarkable person in my life at that time,
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Speaker 3: which was my hospital school teacher. And lots of people
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Speaker 3: may not know, but hospitals do have schools, and my
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Speaker 3: school teacher at the hospital at that time used to
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Speaker 3: contact me every day, even once I was discharged in
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Speaker 3: that home used to contact me every day, and it
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Speaker 3: wasn't to do school work. There was never a math
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Speaker 3: thought English involved. It was just a chat and it
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Speaker 3: was just to get me to think about that next step.
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Speaker 3: It didn't need to be a big step by just
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Speaker 3: that next step or that next conversation or that next
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Speaker 3: goal that I could have for myself, which eventually did
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Speaker 3: get me back to school for four periods a week,
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Speaker 3: which for a lot of people would sound like an
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Speaker 3: absolute holiday, but for me it was quite quite taxing
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Speaker 3: to get back to school for four periods or four
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Speaker 3: hours a week. But yeah, it was just those really
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Speaker 3: small steps. It was not sidelining your support network. It
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Speaker 3: was really easy at that time to not actually want
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Speaker 3: to talk or see anybody, including those who are closest
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Speaker 3: to me, being really mindful not to signline that support
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Speaker 3: that was there.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember what your mental space was like around
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Speaker 2: that time? You know what sort of thoughts did you
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Speaker 2: have after the collapse lung incidents.
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Speaker 3: I was somebody who was always really goal driven. I
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Speaker 3: was really sporty, and so through that period of being unwell,
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Speaker 3: I kind of had the rug ripped out from underneath me.
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Speaker 3: I had goals to wear to sew and Fern and
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Speaker 3: to represent New Zealand and the Comwealth Games and all
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Speaker 3: these big cool goals. But then it ended overnight and
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Speaker 3: I really did think that, you know, my dreams were
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Speaker 3: just ripped away. And yeah, and then with the pain
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Speaker 3: and you know, the having to reset my social life
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Speaker 3: and everything again at a young age, spent time away
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Speaker 3: from home as well in hospital at a young age.
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Speaker 3: It was it was really I suppose I matured a
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Speaker 3: lot through that time because I had to make a
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Speaker 3: lot of decisions for myself at a young age. But
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Speaker 3: it was a really challenging time, that's for sure. I've
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Speaker 3: really tested my thinking and I did have to reset
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Speaker 3: my mindset.
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Speaker 1: Back to we need to talk with Tony Street.
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Speaker 2: How did it go with your relationships at the time,
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Speaker 2: with your friends and things. Did you find yourself quite distanced?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know my friends were supportive, but I distanced myself,
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Speaker 3: like I just I didn't have the energy, to be honest,
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Speaker 3: to put into that. My energy was was just trying
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Speaker 3: to get through every single day, and you know, everything
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Speaker 3: else took and sacked energy from me. And I decided
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Speaker 3: to there was distance there, and that's I suppose when
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Speaker 3: my hospital school teacher was brilliant because she coached me
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Speaker 3: through you know just how important those connections were, how
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Speaker 3: important it was to actually take that step back into
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Speaker 3: a classroom, how important it was to be able to
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Speaker 3: spend more time with my family. She kind of put
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Speaker 3: those really small achievable steps in front of me.
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Speaker 2: So you go from that point there where you know
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Speaker 2: you're depressed and you're addicted to these painkillers, and at
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Speaker 2: some point you end up competing in an iron man.
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Speaker 2: How did that happen?
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Speaker 3: My surgeon told me that I'd never be able to
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Speaker 3: physically exert myself ever again after that surgery, and for
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Speaker 3: five years I lived with pain. I lived with fear
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Speaker 3: as well that anything that I would do would step
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Speaker 3: me back into a hospital ward. So was I was scared,
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Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, I could carry a backpack on
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Speaker 3: my back. But then I was reading about a remarkable woman,
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Speaker 3: her name is Tracy Richardson, who was raising money and
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Speaker 3: awareness assistic pibrosis because sheared two kids with CF and
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Speaker 3: she did that through the sport of Iman. And I
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Speaker 3: grew up in to poor, beautiful place that the playground
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Speaker 3: that is Iman, and I was inspired watching this throughout
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Speaker 3: my early years, I knew how awesome it was to
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Speaker 3: be a finish line seeing people finish who had been
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Speaker 3: through some type of adversity, whether it's financial or relationships,
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Speaker 3: or depression or being overweight or starting can scratch. You know,
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Speaker 3: lots of people take on some kind of personal challenge
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Speaker 3: to do that sport. And I emailed Tracy instantly and said,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. I'm going to continue your
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Speaker 3: legacy and I'm going to do this race, and I'm
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Speaker 3: going to raise money and awareness assistic probosis, primary and
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Speaker 3: lung disease and keep her thing going because her kids
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Speaker 3: needed their mum. So that's what I did. I signed up,
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Speaker 3: started from absolute scratch. My first run was four lamp post.
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Speaker 3: My first swim was half a length of the pool,
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Speaker 3: and then I turned around and swam back and got out.
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Speaker 3: I started fro amn absolute scratch to give myself a
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Speaker 3: chance to do what is a big day. Three point
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Speaker 3: eight kilometer swim, one hundred and eighty kilometer bike ride,
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Speaker 3: in a forty two kilometer run, a full marathon. It's
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Speaker 3: it's a big day at the office. But I gave
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Speaker 3: myself a year to do it.
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Speaker 2: You didn't start small, did You didn't start with like
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Speaker 2: just the local fun run. You went straight to the
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Speaker 2: big one. So you start and you do the one
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Speaker 2: lap of the pool, and you know the four lamp posts.
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Speaker 2: How were you nervous that pushing yourself like the experts
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Speaker 2: had said, was going to deteriorate your condition?
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Speaker 3: Really good question. One thing that I've learned about my
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Speaker 3: body is I can read it like a book. I
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Speaker 3: know the capacity that I've got in my breathing and
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Speaker 3: my lungs. I know signs of pain and have I
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Speaker 3: pushed myself too hard, too fast, too far, too fast? See?
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Speaker 3: I can read my body like a book. So it
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Speaker 3: was really I was scared. But I'm also not going
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Speaker 3: to wrap myself up in CommonWell, that's not how I
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Speaker 3: want to live life. The world is too big to
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Speaker 3: dream small. And I wanted to be able to do
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Speaker 3: this for sister fibrosis. These young kids in New Zealand
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Speaker 3: of CF could live, you know, through winters and that
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Speaker 3: tough battle that can have with sister fibrosis, and if
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Speaker 3: they can do that and the days that they spend
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Speaker 3: in and out of hospital, I can do this. And
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Speaker 3: I took that attitude into it knowing that there's people
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Speaker 3: out there watching me, knowing that I wasn't going to
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Speaker 3: give up when they going got tough, and so that
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Speaker 3: was the attitude I took to it.
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Speaker 2: Did you have moments where you thought, oh, I might
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Speaker 2: have been not a bit more than I can chew here,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can complete a full I.
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Speaker 3: Man absolutely absolutely, And in fact, the first race day
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Speaker 3: that I got to I got myself where I thought
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Speaker 3: I was physically ready, but then there was a storm
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Speaker 3: and the race was over half canceled because of this
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Speaker 3: weather event, and that really played with my mindset again
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Speaker 3: because you know, I had this goal. It was a
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Speaker 3: twelve month goal. I wanted to achieve this massive goal
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Speaker 3: for me, proved the medical world role, do this amazing
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Speaker 3: thing for kids with CF and raise money awareness being
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Speaker 3: inspiration to them. And then the goal wasn't there to achieve.
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Speaker 3: The dream had been ripped away. So I had to
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Speaker 3: again test my mindset, reset the mindset and make it
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Speaker 3: a twenty four month goal. But through that there was
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Speaker 3: the voice of doubt around can I do this? Have
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Speaker 3: I taken on too much? There's always a voice of doubt.
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Speaker 3: But I've trained myself not to listen to that voice.
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Speaker 3: And if anything, this has made me the most resilient
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Speaker 3: person that I know, because I have been able to
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Speaker 3: train to my mind to be my strongest muscle.
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Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot actually on this podcast
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Speaker 2: around neuroplasticity. You know, you can tell your mind what
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Speaker 2: you wanted to think, and it sounds like you have.
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Speaker 2: You've learned a lot about that mental space through this.
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely. I know what a tough day is
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Speaker 3: from being in hospital, and I know what a tough
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Speaker 3: day is out on an imn course. And so just
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Speaker 3: with everyday life now, whether it's work, whether it's relationships,
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Speaker 3: no matter what it is, everything else kind of pales
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Speaker 3: in comparison compared to what I know what a tough
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Speaker 3: day is. And so I don't sweet the small stuff.
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Speaker 3: I don't let things worry me when it shouldn't. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: I've just built this really strong mental resilience to be
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Speaker 3: able to not coast through life, but to deal with
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Speaker 3: life and to ensure that I put my effort in
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Speaker 3: the right places. And then I'm kind to myself. You know,
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Speaker 3: kindness to yourself is really important.
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Speaker 1: You're listening, Do we need to talk with Tony Street.
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Speaker 2: Your family must have had reservations about you doing this
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Speaker 2: because how many iron Man's have you done? Now?
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Speaker 3: It was supposed to be one and done, but what
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Speaker 3: I learned is that this sport's been so good for me,
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Speaker 3: not just for my health but mentally, and so I've
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Speaker 3: kept it going. I've been doing it for two decades.
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Speaker 3: I've done twenty two iron Man races now and shortly
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Speaker 3: I'll be heading to Hawaii to compete in the World Championships.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, like I said, you know, if you've got
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Speaker 3: a dream big and your dreams can come true. And
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Speaker 3: that's what I've done. I have dreamed big, and here
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Speaker 3: I am. I'm going to be at the World Championships
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Speaker 3: for the Olympics of our sport, and little or me
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Speaker 3: will be there. My parents were petrified when I started
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Speaker 3: this journey, but they are my biggest supporter. They've been
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Speaker 3: on the sidelines. They know that I'll be doing this
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Speaker 3: with or without their support. Bit of stubborness, I suppose,
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Speaker 3: and so they're my biggest cheerleaders. And it's so cool
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Speaker 3: to see them from the hospital bedside now to a
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Speaker 3: finish line and to share that that moment with them.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: Now, tell me what you do with doc because this
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Speaker 2: is your new job. Well it's not your new job,
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Speaker 2: but it's your job, and it's kind of how you're
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Speaker 2: advocating for this nature and mental health space as well.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so you know, nature is there for all of us.
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Speaker 3: And one of the things that I've learned through life,
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Speaker 3: and I learned it through those tough COVID years especially,
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Speaker 3: nature will always be there and it's a chance to
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Speaker 3: get out there and reset. But what helps even more
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Speaker 3: is when you give back to nature. So when you're
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Speaker 3: helping nature heal, and let's face it, nature needs some support.
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Speaker 3: When you helping nature to heal through giving back, whether
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Speaker 3: it is backyard trapping, whether it is getting involved in
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Speaker 3: a community group, or whether it is learning about nature
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Speaker 3: and increasing your knowledge, that in itself is just that
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Speaker 3: exponential benefit you get for your own well being. So
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Speaker 3: not only is nature there for you, but because you're
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Speaker 3: giving something to nature, it's giving you more back. And
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Speaker 3: that's what we're really encouraging people to do is let's
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Speaker 3: get the experience nature, learn about nature, but also when
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Speaker 3: you give back to nature, you're going to get that
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Speaker 3: such a good feeling that benefit, that reward, and it's
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Speaker 3: going to be fantastic for your mental health.
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Speaker 2: What are your favorite spots to go to or to
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Speaker 2: head to. Do you have any kind of couple of
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Speaker 2: phaves that you go to time and time again.
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Speaker 3: I do. I mean, I'm really lucky that I live
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Speaker 3: in a beautiful part of New Zealand. I know all
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Speaker 3: of New Zealand's beautiful, but I'm looking up the window
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Speaker 3: right now at the Markable's Mountain covered in so in fact,
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Speaker 3: it's slowing up my window right now, so it's yeah,
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Speaker 3: I live in these beautiful mountains in out Queenstown. I've
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Speaker 3: got fuelled a National Park on the doorstep, Mountain Spire
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Speaker 3: National Park on the doorstep. And being able to explore
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Speaker 3: our national parks that we've got in New Zealand is
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Speaker 3: one of my favorite places to go. A few years ago,
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Speaker 3: I hadn't done a single great walk. I've now done
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Speaker 3: all of them. I've collected the set and you know,
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Speaker 3: that's such a fantastic way to see in a safe way,
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Speaker 3: the best parts of New Zealand, and again a great
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Speaker 3: way to learn about mountain. It's about nature, about conservation
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Speaker 3: and to give back and there's plenty of other walks
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Speaker 3: as well, which you know, I just absolutely love love it.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like you've got a really good grip and
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Speaker 2: you have such a success story for having you know,
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Speaker 2: that tough time as a teenager. Do you have to
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Speaker 2: revisit those mental health techniques and things that get you
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Speaker 2: through or is it a is it plain sailing?
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Speaker 3: These days? It's never playing Salem because I'm a human
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Speaker 3: and you're always having to train yourself. You're always having
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Speaker 3: to test yourself. One of the things that I love
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Speaker 3: that helps me is I love to give back, not
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Speaker 3: just the nature, but to communities and people. I love
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Speaker 3: helping people with their own goals. I'm a really big
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Speaker 3: goal orientated person now, and helping people set and achieve
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Speaker 3: their own goals, just through some mental coaching is something
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Speaker 3: that I love. I love getting into a gym. I'm
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Speaker 3: a gym instructor also because I love helping people to
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Speaker 3: come in and focus on their fitness and their health
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Speaker 3: and building their mental resilience. I set myself different goals
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Speaker 3: as well. I'm not shy. I'm putting myself out there
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Speaker 3: to all sorts of different opportunities. I've been running marathons
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Speaker 3: around the world. Recently with marath on tours New Zealand.
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Speaker 3: I've been in London, getting to Boston next year. Recently
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Speaker 3: put myself out there on a television show like I
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Speaker 3: just I'm always out to kind of it was, but
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Speaker 3: I'm always just out there, kind of just living outside
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Speaker 3: that comfort blanket, because that's where real growth can happens.
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Speaker 3: And that's what keeps me healthy. I suppose if I'm
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Speaker 3: just keep myself comfortable for too long, that's why I
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Speaker 3: think is my space who almost vulnerable? So I just
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Speaker 3: need to keep pushing myself a little bit further, keep
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Speaker 3: growing as a person, keep growing myself as an individual,
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Speaker 3: and that's what keeps me safe. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, it's an admirable outlook on life. Just finally, Aaron,
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Speaker 2: if you had a word of advice for someone that
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Speaker 2: is struggling mentally, maybe they're in a similar space to
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Speaker 2: what you were as a teen, or maybe they're just
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Speaker 2: unsure how to get themselves out of a funk, what
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Speaker 2: would be what would be your advice?
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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of things. First, as you are
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Speaker 3: never ever alone, there is always people there to support to.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you've just got to ask for the help, but
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Speaker 3: you are never ever alone and time and patience is
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Speaker 3: a healer. So just be patient with yourself, be kind
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Speaker 3: to yourself, and find that one thing that fills up
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Speaker 3: your cup, that ignites your fire, that feels your flame.
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Speaker 3: You find that one thing. It could be something really
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Speaker 3: simple like cooking or reading. Just find that one thing,
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Speaker 3: that little escape that you can find and just pour
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Speaker 3: a bit of energy into that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if its nature, all the better because you
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Speaker 2: can get in touch with nature and give back at
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Speaker 2: the same time. Hey, it's been so lovely to get
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Speaker 2: you today. Thank you so much. And finally, when do
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Speaker 2: you head to Hawaii for the Iron Man Race?
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Speaker 3: There is a tenth of October.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic, the very best for that. I hope it goes
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Speaker 2: super well. Thank you very much, Thanks for listening to
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