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#2145 Mark From Brisbane Asks... - Dr. Jeff Gross · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Tiff and it's Harps and
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  Speaker 1: it's doctor Jeff. I probably should have.
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  Speaker 2: Done that the other way around. It really doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: We'll start with the girl with a sexy throat over
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  Speaker 1: there in the bloody bayside Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: How is it sexy voice?
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  Speaker 3: I'm making some noise now, which is nice. So I
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  Speaker 3: had two days of full silence, and.
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  Speaker 1: As I said to doctor Jeff Bliss, so good, so
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  Speaker 1: good fortnight there. Yeah, it's a little hard when your
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  Speaker 1: job's talking.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't talk.
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  Speaker 1: Oh horrific.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have to cancel shows or yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I had to reschedule a couple and couldn't shout at
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  Speaker 3: my clients.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to be a ball breaker when you
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  Speaker 1: sound like a fucking cartoon character, isn't it exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't scream at people if you can't talk
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  Speaker 1: to them. Step one, be able to talk. Ah, Doc,
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  Speaker 1: great to see you, We love you, appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey you going? What are you doing? What are you
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  Speaker 2: up to? What's news?
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  Speaker 4: Right back at you? What am I up to? We're busy.
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  Speaker 4: Were doing a lot of health and wellness events and
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  Speaker 4: biohacking conferences and all kinds of fun stuff. It's hard.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to keep me in one place here as
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  Speaker 4: we as we share and teach and get the word
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  Speaker 4: out that there are alternatives to drugs and surgery.
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  Speaker 1: What is the thing that people misunderstand or get misled
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  Speaker 1: on about.
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  Speaker 2: Biohacking?
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  Speaker 1: Like? What what is the average In Australia we say
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  Speaker 1: the average punter, just the average person.
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  Speaker 2: What do I think it is?
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  Speaker 4: I think there are some people who think that biohacking
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  Speaker 4: has a negative connotation because you're tricking your body. It's
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  Speaker 4: a hack. It's a trick. Whereas if we call it biostrategizing,
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  Speaker 4: it's just weak, too many syllables.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, though it is it is a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that whoever created that, albeit insightful, maybe it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the best name to represent what you do because it
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  Speaker 1: already people have an idea of what hacking is, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not a good idea generally.
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  Speaker 4: Right, gets people in trouble, you know if they hack
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  Speaker 4: into your computer system or whatever. But sometimes hacks so
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, do it yourself hacks at home? Right,
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  Speaker 4: you want to learn the best way to get rust
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  Speaker 4: off your fender, you know, you may, yeah, you learn
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  Speaker 4: a hack. So why can't we apply that for wellness
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  Speaker 4: and longevity?
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  Speaker 1: Now, I brought up this term the other day with
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  Speaker 1: somebody who is a clinical cycle works in the space,
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  Speaker 1: and it must just be what I'm exposed to on
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  Speaker 1: my my kind of stream of information that comes into
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  Speaker 1: my phone.
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  Speaker 2: But have you heard of a thing called iber gain?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, absolutely, in fact, thank you God, it was
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  Speaker 4: just made available here in the US, I think yesterday,
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  Speaker 4: Like this is very tamely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think all that guy's named Brian, someone
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  Speaker 1: who's been the guy leading the charge, who's a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and a genius in this space. And RFK of course
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  Speaker 1: and a very popular and unpopular in some areas.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan and they were they were in the.
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  Speaker 1: Oval office with the pres just and he was committing
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  Speaker 1: to kind of, I think, accelerate the research.
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  Speaker 2: And the approval and all of that of that.
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  Speaker 1: So could So my understanding is, and this wasn't where
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  Speaker 1: I thought.
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  Speaker 2: We'd start, but let's start here because.
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  Speaker 1: I think if this is true, you know, because everybody
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  Speaker 1: comes out and makes there's so many claims about so
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  Speaker 1: many secret pills, powders, potion, herbs from the amazon and peptides,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not putting them all in the same category,
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  Speaker 1: of course, but there are so many things that we
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  Speaker 1: get told we should have or will cure this or
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  Speaker 1: fix that. But the science behind this seems like really
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  Speaker 1: really solid. And so people suffering with PTSD severe trauma,
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  Speaker 1: and originally the research was focused on veterans and it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of expanded now, but anyone with that kind of
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  Speaker 1: challenge or issue.
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  Speaker 2: But so people with.
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  Speaker 1: Severe trauma and PTSD one treatment with eber gain eighty
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  Speaker 1: percent are completely healed forever. And with a second treatment
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  Speaker 1: over ninety I think it's ninety four percent, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not And there's one treatment, so they have it once
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  Speaker 1: or twice, but not an ongoing thing they have they
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  Speaker 1: don't need to go top it up in a year.
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  Speaker 1: There's another guy to follow, a veteran who God it
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  Speaker 1: will come to me, but anyway, he he's a Purple
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  Speaker 1: Star recipient. Anyway, you know, he was traumatized. He was
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  Speaker 1: the whole shooting match about our post war. About ten
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  Speaker 1: years of his life was pretty fucked because of trauma
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  Speaker 1: and PTSD. He got treated, he got totally totally cured,
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  Speaker 1: and now he re enrolled he re enrolled, so he
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  Speaker 1: was a I think he was like a Delta Force
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  Speaker 1: operator and now he's re enrolled in some other area
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  Speaker 1: of the military. But yeah, it's I don't know, tell
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  Speaker 1: us to what you know what it is and how
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  Speaker 1: it works.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So, iber gin is part of a class of
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  Speaker 4: natural based neuromodulator neuro endocrine neurotransmitter changers that are typically
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  Speaker 4: known as hallucinogens. So it could be Ayahuascu. Eyebogain is one.
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  Speaker 4: There are a few others, and they all have a
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  Speaker 4: slightly different impact. You know, some of the places where
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  Speaker 4: you go and lick the certain kind of toad and
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  Speaker 4: get the hallucinogen. In any event, these these have been
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  Speaker 4: known for thousands of years to have healing properties. You
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  Speaker 4: typically most people with some type of harbored trauma manifest
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  Speaker 4: with some type of anxiety or depression. It's because there's
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  Speaker 4: this deep rooted part of your memory in your brain
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  Speaker 4: that protects that because it's too painful to let it out.
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  Speaker 4: And the process, the ceremony of eyebogain and how it's
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  Speaker 4: done allows you to go through and and cleanse that
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  Speaker 4: out of you. It's like a safe place to let
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  Speaker 4: it out and once it's out, it's out. Like you said,
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  Speaker 4: of those people are resolved. So you know, typically Americans
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  Speaker 4: had to go to out of the country, you know,
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  Speaker 4: go to Mexico for Abo Gain or or other places.
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  Speaker 4: Even though there were some quote unquote shamans, some shamans
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  Speaker 4: know what they're doing. Some got a weekend certificate somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: And this allows you to, you know, face your demons
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  Speaker 4: and remove them. And that really has been very powerful.
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  Speaker 4: And there have been some people that were outspoken on this.
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  Speaker 4: I think Tim Ferriss is one of them. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know how much Joe Rogan was involved until
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  Speaker 4: recently because he's kind of the he's kind of the
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  Speaker 4: Craig Harper of the of the of the States really.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he can only aspire.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this just came out, so it's very interesting
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  Speaker 4: and exciting. It will become available and they'll study it more.
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  Speaker 4: Even though there's a university here called Johns Hopkins in
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  Speaker 4: Baltimore and Maryland has a rich medical history. Just Baltimore's
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  Speaker 4: a rough place to watch out and they they've been
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  Speaker 4: looking at this for a while. It's been one of
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  Speaker 4: the homes of a lot of research so this isn't new,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm glad they're making it available because it's a
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  Speaker 4: lot cheaper than handfuls of antidepressants and electroshock therapy much.
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  Speaker 4: You like that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it's interesting and it's interesting to.
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  Speaker 1: Know that, you know, some of the things which I
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  Speaker 1: think Rogan said in that he spoke at the White
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  Speaker 1: House and all of them did, but like only a
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  Speaker 1: few years ago, it was classified literally as dangerous you know,
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  Speaker 1: I begain and misclassified.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was this is just government control, right.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't want it out there. Big farm doesn't want it.
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  Speaker 2: Out Yeah, that's yeah. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And in other news, so I listened to this podcast
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  Speaker 1: the other day, which I've banged on about a little
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  Speaker 1: bit on the show, but I'm I'm really interested in
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  Speaker 1: and we'll go to some listener questions in a minute,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in on the science and the
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  Speaker 1: psychology of pain. Like I just think pain is a
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  Speaker 1: fascinating thing. And listening to this what's her name, Her
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  Speaker 1: name is Rachel's Zoftness. It's a weird name, but a
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  Speaker 1: cute name, z Ffness. And she was talking about, you
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  Speaker 1: know the way that pain works on psychosocial, emotional, mental,
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  Speaker 1: physiological level and all of that, and she was it's
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  Speaker 1: just there's so much we seem to not understand about pain.
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  Speaker 1: And she spoke about some research I can't equal. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember that an equals I think it was maybe
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  Speaker 1: N equals.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred or two hundred.
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  Speaker 1: But people that were functional, healthy, no symptoms, and they
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  Speaker 1: are all, I don't know, kind of thirty to sixty
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  Speaker 1: or something, and they did X rays and all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of scans on them, and something like ninety percent of
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  Speaker 1: them or eighty five percent of them had bulging disks
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  Speaker 1: or back problems or all of these things that should
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  Speaker 1: lead to as we normally think pain, but they are
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  Speaker 1: all pain free. But because they didn't know they had
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  Speaker 1: these things. And then quite often when people are made
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  Speaker 1: aware of something, then the pain comes, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: now they know they have this thing that should cause pain,
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  Speaker 1: but before they knew that, there was no part.
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  Speaker 2: So stuff like that fascinates me.
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  Speaker 1: And people who think they've got something and they're sick,
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  Speaker 1: but then they realized they don't have it.
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  Speaker 2: I won't bore my.
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  Speaker 1: Audience with this again, but just quickly, this guy that
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  Speaker 1: seemingly had put this huge nail on a construction site
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  Speaker 1: through his foot and boot was in agony, and they
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  Speaker 1: treated with him all kind of treated him with all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of painkillers, got him to hospital, and when they
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  Speaker 1: finally cut the boot off, it hadn't gone through his
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  Speaker 1: foot at all. It had gone between his big toe
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  Speaker 1: and his second toe, so the skin wasn't even broken.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy was in extreme agony, and even when
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  Speaker 1: they gave him the painkillers it didn't And then you think,
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  Speaker 1: how the fuck does this work? And then instant relief
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  Speaker 1: because they went, mate, You've got not only did it
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  Speaker 1: not go through your foot, you don't have any injury
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  Speaker 1: at all. And he's like okay and good, Like how crazy?
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the science of pain or
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  Speaker 1: what do you as a physician and an observer of
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  Speaker 1: human behavior?
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  Speaker 2: What do you know about it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean there's there's a lot. It's complex or
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  Speaker 4: so many pieces good to psychological piece you just mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: and you know things things you're imprinted with as a child.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you watch others respond to pain, and then maybe
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  Speaker 4: that guy with the boot, he thought I was yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I probably penetrated my foot. I should have pain, So
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to react like like society expects until he's
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  Speaker 4: is cognitively corrected, you know. But we see real pain too,
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  Speaker 4: and pains in different forms, and you know, central pain
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  Speaker 4: and neurological pain and all kinds of things. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're learning more about pain all the time and how
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  Speaker 4: to address it. But there's a lot of physical pain
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  Speaker 4: that's you know, a lot of my job deals with
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  Speaker 4: physical pain and how to treat that. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: we always try to get to the root cause of it. Right,
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  Speaker 4: if there's if the tiger has a thorn in his paw,
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  Speaker 4: you got to pull out the thorn, yes, if, But
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  Speaker 4: apparently if a tiger thinks you there's a thorn between
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  Speaker 4: his paws, his tees me, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's all about belief because belief to an
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  Speaker 1: extent drives physiology, or at least has a physiological consequence.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you believe you know something bad's happening and
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  Speaker 1: it's not, your physiology respondses though the bad things happening, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Or conversely, something great's happening when you're actually
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  Speaker 1: in danger. You're in danger, but you don't know, so
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  Speaker 1: there's no fear, so there's no fear response in the
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  Speaker 1: body because you just don't know, you know, so I
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  Speaker 1: think our brain turns it all on or off to
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  Speaker 1: an extent anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's experiment with the guy where they have like
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  Speaker 4: a baffle and a rubber arm and oh it's the
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  Speaker 4: guy's like, ah, oh wait, that wasn't me.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, where they've got that little board where he
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  Speaker 1: can't really Yeah, so over time it feels like that's
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  Speaker 1: actually your arm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I was thinking about so with biohacking, we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to understand our body, and we're trying to heal our body,
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  Speaker 1: and we're trying to get there the quickest, healthiest, safest way.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been thinking lately about like trying to build
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  Speaker 1: a relationship with our body, like interception or interroception, where
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  Speaker 1: our body is always telling us stuff. They're always signs
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  Speaker 1: and signals and information coming from our body. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I think either one with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us have really disconnected from that knowingly or not,
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  Speaker 1: or we don't know how to interpret that or what
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  Speaker 1: to do with that, and we'd almost rather trust, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the person that we met seven minutes go to give
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  Speaker 1: us a pill to fix the thing versus listening to
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  Speaker 1: our own body.
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  Speaker 2: Not that we should necessarily prescribe stuff for ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, it's like it feels
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  Speaker 1: like something that's probably kept humans alife for a live
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  Speaker 1: for millennia many millennia has kind of been cut off
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  Speaker 1: because back in the day, we didn't have pills, powders, potions, surgeries, antibiotics,
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  Speaker 1: not like we do now anyway, And so they just
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  Speaker 1: understood what their body was telling them more. But now
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be almost a thing of the past.
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  Speaker 4: We're way to reactive to that. So right, people have it.
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  Speaker 4: You know something's wrong, they get immediate you know, help,
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  Speaker 4: look at me, help me, something's wrong, right, and you
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  Speaker 4: get pills thrown out you So yeah, I mean on
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  Speaker 4: thousands of years ago, you'd get plants or leaves rubbed
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  Speaker 4: on your wound or even you know, these African tribes
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  Speaker 4: knew how to open the skull. You see. You know,
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  Speaker 4: brain surgery isn't new. It's one of the oldest types
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  Speaker 4: of surgery. So you know, people with certain ailments, they
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  Speaker 4: would release the evil humors by opening the skull. It's
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  Speaker 4: called trephonation.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, how long is gone with that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean this has been done for thousands of years.
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  Speaker 4: And they would chew on like coca leaves, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for anesthesia, and they would take these stones and they
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  Speaker 4: would you know, cut off square, you know, into the
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  Speaker 4: into the skull and let it, let it ooze open,
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  Speaker 4: let it let it heal open. You know. So wow,
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  Speaker 4: that's not new. So I think we just are. We
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  Speaker 4: have way many more options. So people always, oh, go
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  Speaker 4: get look at this, fix this, give me something quick fix.
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  Speaker 4: You know. That's that's the mentality, at least here in
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  Speaker 4: the States.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we've had.
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  Speaker 1: Digressing away from medicine a little bit, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: like over the whatever, they keep moving the goalpost three
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand, I think they're out to about a million
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  Speaker 1: years of like human kind of cognitive you know, smartish
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  Speaker 1: humans doing stuff. And you think about all the former
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  Speaker 1: or some of the past civilizations, like where they're building
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  Speaker 1: pyramids with what were how we don't know, we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do that today. Like they're moving one hundred ton rocks
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  Speaker 1: across sand and then getting an eighty ton rock on
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  Speaker 1: top of that up to this thing that's three hundred
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  Speaker 1: feet high and when you look at the corners of
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  Speaker 1: the pyramid, they are absolutely millimeter perfectly aligned east west,
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  Speaker 1: north south right.
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  Speaker 2: What we can't do that today, That's impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Today we don't have the technology or the whatever, right,
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  Speaker 1: But they did that then. I feel like there have
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  Speaker 1: been civilizations maybe that.
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  Speaker 2: Have come and gone, that had their own.
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  Speaker 1: Own technology, their own genius, their own capacity to do
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  Speaker 1: amazing shit. And maybe we're not the most evolved group
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  Speaker 1: that's ever been.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's credibility for that. Now. There's a there's
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  Speaker 4: a great TV show here in the States called Ancient Aliens.
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  Speaker 4: Do you get that one?
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  Speaker 1: I think we do. I haven't. I think that's on.
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  Speaker 1: I think that streams in one of our platforms.
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  Speaker 4: They cover these topics and the you know, the compelling
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  Speaker 4: you know, petroglyphic evidence and things like the pyramids, how
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  Speaker 4: perfect they are and things. And interesting here in the
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  Speaker 4: States is that in the last couple of years, eleven
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  Speaker 4: high ranking scientists have either been killed or missing who
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  Speaker 4: deal with some of this potential knowledge UFOs and all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of things. There's something that we're not supposed to
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  Speaker 4: know that we want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so too. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist, but there's definitely a lot of shit
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  Speaker 1: that is known by some people that is controlled right
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  Speaker 1: so that that can't get out because apparently it would
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  Speaker 1: freak us all out if we all knew, or there'd
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  Speaker 1: be some kind of negative impact.
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  Speaker 4: Perhaps, yeah, that's not we have mass rioting if yeah,
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  Speaker 4: if we knew what we're not supposed to know exactly,
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  Speaker 4: that's social control. Governments need to maintain that social control.
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  Speaker 4: But you're here to disrupt it, and that's what I
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  Speaker 4: love about you, Craig and Tiff.
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  Speaker 1: I do think like the older I get, the more
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  Speaker 1: I know that I don't know much right, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not being falsely humble. It's like, oh fuck, I thought this,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that. And then I think, if I be
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  Speaker 1: as objective as I can be, which is not very
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm me, But if I'm honest, I go, well,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I've been wrong about maybe as many things as I've
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: been right about, so assuming everything that I think now
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is right is just an exercise in ego and arrogance.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: So do I think things categorically are true?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Do I believe things yes? Do I know that both
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of those could be wrong? Absolutely, because I've been wrong
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so many times. So I think when it comes.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: To you know, if anybody had spoke to me.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: About aliens and shit ten years ago, and I'm not
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: an alien kind of devo, I would have gone, nah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: not real, true, not true, bullshit.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And then the more that I hear stuff, go oh maybe.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And then you hear about the vastness of the universe
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and you think about like, how fucking unimaginably huge the universes,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and we go, no, we are absolutely the only life
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: form in the universe.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: No, it's just us.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Well, how the fuck would I even have the beginning
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of understanding to know that that's true. Maybe that's just
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a story that we tell ourselves because the other story
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: is a bit terrifying or uncomfortable.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And the truth is, we don't know that's the truth.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: We can believe there isn't, but we don't have evidence
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that there isn't. And you can also say, well, we
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: don't evidence have evidence that there is. That's also true,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: but we don't have proof that there isn't. So, as
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it's that being open minded, especially when it
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: means having to consider the thing that makes you comfortable
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: or is very familiar or is integrated into your identity.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: When you think about that being wrong, well, of course,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: emotionally you push back against that because I don't want
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to be wrong, because that's going to fuck up my
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: last thirty years of reality, because I've believed this since
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I was twenty.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: And that's where the Eber game comes in.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, Well we all grew up in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: a model that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Tells us that, you know, only doctors know well, doctors
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: are great, but maybe not only medical doctors have insight
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: into healing and health and recovery, and you know what
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: appears to be magic outside of the four walls of
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the logic that is medicine. Anyway, Hi, doctor Jeff, I'm
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: marked from Yeah, I'm marked from Brisbane.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I'm forty eight.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I've got a bulging disc in my lie back and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: constant stiffness. Am I a candidate for regenerative treatments? I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: like how he writes? Or is that just hype?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: What Mark?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Why would the bloke anyway? Is he a candidate for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: regenerative treatments? So I feel like we've probably gone here
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a befure, but let's cover it quickly.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, possibly we need to know more if
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: you if you look at final discs, they do degenerate
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: with time. They get shorter, they get you know, we
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: get shorter because of that. Do you ever notice how
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: after a night's rest of lying down taking gravity off,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: and you get into the car in the morning, you
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: have to adjust the rear view mirror.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you're literally a bit taller.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're taller. You've rehydrated a bit so. So discs
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: tend to have some bulging over our lifetime. Bulging, it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: is a diffuse relaxing of the annulst, just like we
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: might get a little love handle around the middle, or
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: maybe some wrinkles on the face. Bulging does not necessarily hurt.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: If you did MRIs of pain free people, twenty percent
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: the minority, but still some real number would have bulges. Now,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the pathological entity, the problem entity that does require attention often,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: not always, but often is an actual herniated disc. It's
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: they are not the same herniations and bulges, and people,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: even doctors misconstrued those all the time. So herniations where
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: some of the material the disc is actually out of place,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: and it's usually a very limited area on the disc.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: If you think of the discs as having an equator.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Herniation is usually just one continent around the globe, so
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the herniations come in different forms. You might have heard
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: words like protrusion or extrusion or free fragment. Those are
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: all herniations. So if you only truly have a bulge,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: you probably don't need regenerative treatment. That's probably not the
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: cause of your back pain necessarily. If you have a
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: herniation that was misreference as a bulge because you were
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: given that word or it's a popular social term, which
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: it is here as well, then we would take a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: closer look at the MRI details. We would correlate that
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: with your specific symptoms, not just your back pain, but
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: where's your back pain? What provokes the back pain? Does
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: it go down your butt or your leg or tingle
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: in your foot? We need to know all this. You
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: need to be examined and that's that correlation. That's the
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: essence of the practice of medicine. Then and only then
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: might we say, oh, okay, I perceive that some of
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: these symptoms might be coming from this discarnation. We might
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: try a test injection we block or numb the pain
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: fibers along and the inflammatory chemicals along that nerve path
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: that is a selected epidural injection at the side of
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: that disc. It might only be on one side, might be.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: And then if you have at least a temporary benefit,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: because sometimes you can have a longer lasting but if
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: you have at least a temporary benefit that's meaningful, then
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: we say, ah, that is the disk. It is giving
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: us trouble here because we block that spot and you
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: felt better, then and only then we go with the options.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: The options could include surgery to clean up the disc
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: that's slipping out, It could include another and if the
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: injection lasts many, many, many months, you might well, let's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: do one of those a year or twice a year.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: And then we might look at regenerative medicine, which would
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: be injecting in that same spot some of these highly
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: anti inflammatory stem cell based cell signals. Now we have
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: other techniques. Now we use peptides. I've talked about peptide
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: as many times. It's my favorite topic these days. And
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: then you know, we also take a look at you first.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you got a few extra pounds, a little
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: too much beer in the midline, mid section, and we
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: need to work on, you know, just restoring your core
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: structures through the right type of therapies and exercise, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: that I should have I should have led with that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: That's actually come first. No, so we have the whole picture.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You can tiff over there blowing our eyes with a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: microphone off. Turn on your mic for a minute. Yes,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I've caught something just watching you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Are you going to make it through this the show?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure, mate, I'm not sure. Every day there's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: just there's a new symptom.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So are you still full of snot?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Today more than ever? Wow? Wow, that's fantastic.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Shout out to those people eating a custard tide up moment.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, Oh, TIFFs, stop it, hope you hope you're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: enjoying your corn flakes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Perfect, all right, we'll go back to blowing your big
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: red nose. You look like fucking Rudolph.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You need some reindeer behind you and a sleigh such palih.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Are are we precious? You'll be right, You'll be right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: all right, turn your mic off. Blow your nose.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know what this this seems like. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: don't know if this is much of a question.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Pete.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Pete from Drew and Druan's a little country town where
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: my mum grew up. He says, Dr Jeff, I would
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: like your thoughts on the reality and the BS. He
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: wrote BS, he didn't write the actual word. Well done, Pete,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the reality and the BS of anti aging.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I know that's a very broad question, but I don't
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know if you'd like to speak.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: To that at all. Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I like that, thanks, Pete. So you know your your
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: grandmother tie how to do anti aging at the very beginning,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: eat right, sleep right, you know, brush your teeth, I mean,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you do. All those things have anti aging qualities and properties.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: The modern world really buggered that up. So there are
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: many things you can do to help slow and reverse
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: inflammatory stress at the cellular level. That's really aging, what
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: aging is, and and you're doing those things, it is
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: anti aging. You can actually reverse the aging of your cells.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And you know, because you are an equals one, we
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: don't know if that makes you live longer or not.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: But when you look at populations of people who who
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: behave a certain way, who walk ten thousand steps a day,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: who you know, eat organically things like that, they tend
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: to be healthier and live longer. So we're learning more
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: about those behaviors and techniques all the time, and there
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: are many approaches to that. That's a topic that's on
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: every day and I talk to patients about every day.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: So it's not BSPE, but you've got to do the work.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's part of the the barrier to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: real transformation, lasting transformation for people, is that like a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that works, the stuff that we
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: should do if this is our goal, is not sexy
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: or fast or comfortable, or you know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's like wow, well fucker really walked into that. Really
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: go the gym five days a week or whatever it is.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, like a lot of the things that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we need to do are fun or comfortable or convenient,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and we are a culture addicted to fun and convenient
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and comfortable.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: That seems to me like a mental barrier, not so
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: much a physical issue.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, It's an instant gratification culture and people don't
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: want to get off the couch and you know, or
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: some people do exercise, but maybe they don't eat right there.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: You know, there are so many simple elements that you
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: could apply to have a healthier longevity.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't want to mention any names, I'll
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: get myself in trouble. But there have been a few
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: over the last decade people kind of commenting or sharing
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: publicly about.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: You know, big is beautiful and all of that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it is and I'm not questioning,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but the messaging was being big is beautiful being you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: we all just need to accept how we are, who
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: we are and all of that. And you know, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: now some of these people who were very big and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: overweighthed a borderline skinny on ozepic, so when the possibility
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: came to change their body drastically, they changed it. I'm like,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: there's a mixed messaging. I can take a post from
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you nine years ago where you go, you know, this
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: is how I want to be and how I'm comfortable
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in this and I'm lovable and this is me. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, now they weigh fucking forty eight kilos some
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of them, and or one hundred pounds or whatever.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: You know. And I'm not saying right wrong, good bad.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I feel like sometimes we tell the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: story we want to tell because that just suits us.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It may not be the unequivocal, absolute, deep down truth
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: People feel bad about themselves when they don't fit in
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: a cultural norm sometimes, and yes, and they have to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: give themselves a pat on the back say it's okay,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I'm still lovable. I get that. That doesn't mean obesity
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: is healthy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, I've been telling them that, telling that to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: people for years. It's like, you can be an awesome
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: person worthy of all the love and respect. Of course,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like I don't like people more or less or love
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: them more or less based on their weight or their
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: fucking appearance.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't like it's not an issue.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But I'm not talking about whether or not you're a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: great person or lovable or brilliant or creative or gifted.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fact that there absolutely is a
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: relationship between the state that your body is in and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: illness and morbidity and health span and lifespan.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: These are not insults. This is science. There's not a
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: criticism of you. This is a scientific reality that you're
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: pretending doesn't exist.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: That's right. I completely agree with you that on that topic.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm not here to shame anyone. I mean, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of reason's why you might be that way,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: and you know, people have trouble with wheat and we
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: have more solutions now. Like you said, o zampek GP medications,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: peptides back a peptid topic. So these are very powerful
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: and useful tools if done correctly, you still got to
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: do the work. You got to change your lifestyle because
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: once you stop that GLP, your appetite comes throwing back.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: You may go back to the very pathways that got
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you there in the first place.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Speaking of this topic, it's probably relevant because I'm sure
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: some of our listeners are using ozenbic and the like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: which is, if you are well done all the support
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: all that, what are some things that other than taking that,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that people can do that are going to help the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: long term success and support their body. Because it's not
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: all flowers and unicorns with these drugs. There are potential downsides.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So what else should people who are using these things
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: think about and perhaps even implement to look craft to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: themselves beyond the however long it is that I use
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the drug?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Well, they need to be looking towards behavioral changes that
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: stay after you stop the drug. They need to focus
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: on muscle building, because you will lose some muscle during
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the process, especially with the ozepic much more so than
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: let's say the Reddit truetide. But still you want to
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: focus on muscle, which means you have to be eating
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: protein and exercising hard, you know, work to failure intensity,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: different different types of things. And then you know, also,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: since you're not as hungry when you do eat, you
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: really need to have intention about eating healthy things, because
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: if you have a super healthy diet every now and
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: then you want to go off the rails and have,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: you know, some really greasy pizza, you're going to be okay.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: But if you're having pizza and fresh frise every day,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: that's an issue.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Definitely okay. Josh thirty four from the Gold Coast. I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: jealous of you, Josh thirty four. I tol my maniscous,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm still functional.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Should I leave it? Fix it?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: So?
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: These are hard questions listeners, because doctor Jeff would normally
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: at the very least see someone. So these are hard
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: questions to answer. I guess, but to my miniscus still functional?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Should I leave it, fix it surgically or explore other options?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I like the hard questions. I like this actually, So
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: if you're still functional and that any related pain discomfort
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: whatever word you want to use, is tolerable and you're improving. Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and the tear is not a large tear. You don't
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: have to fix it. Yes, you don't have to surgery
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: for it. You know there's a knee jerk or a
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: lot of the orthopedic doctors will see this. Oh, we've
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: got to fix it, because that's that's your orthopedic surgeons.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: You know, are these smart people who then become cavemen
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: and you know, you break a bone. Nay, all they
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: want to do is fix it. You know, bone broke,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You must fix bone. Same thing with her medical taire
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: is right. Care must prepare tear, you know. No, it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: not always the case. So if you're doing okay and
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: it's not going the wrong direction, and now may not
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: be the time to fix it, and it might be
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: the time to look at some peptides or regenerative medicine
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: to help improve the cartilage around there so you can
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: overcome it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Roger that all right, Ryan twenty nine, Sydney.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I've got tend and artists that just won't go away.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? He said, why do some injuries
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: become chronic? That's what he actually said, But I'm like,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: well that if you want, and then how do we
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: maybe treat this long term tendin artists?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Well, typically, Ryan, you know, things become chronic because your
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: repair factors your ability to repair. You've outpaced it and
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: you can't repair like you did when you were younger,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: and that repair is usually meaning that the inflammations become
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: chronic and you have to do everything you can to
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: fight that. And that could be an anti inflammatory diet.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: It could be you know, revisiting what exercises or rehabilitation
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: or therapies you've done to build up the muscles around
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: that tendon. Could be a really good flexibility routine, you know.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: It might be you need some type of anti inflammatory
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: medication for a short while or an injection just to
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: just to you know, break the cycle and then then
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: really get in on working out. A lot of people
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: are using something called shockwave therapy, now not electroshock therapy,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: but shockwave. So it's basically a very powerful thumping, like
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: like you would do to break up a kidney stone,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: like a lith of trips. Yeah, yeah, And they make
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: devices or certain clinics you can go to and have
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: them break up sort of the tough tendon that that
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: continues that cycle of inflammation. So usually tendinitis is more
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: pronounced far away from the center of the body. So
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: we're talking feet, you know, we're talking about plantar fasci itis,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: We're talking about achilles tendonitis, or maybe at the wrist
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: or hand elbow. Those are those are the most common areas.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I'd say that that that lead to persistence that you
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: have to really fight.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: This is from Craig Harper sixty two, The U Project
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Craig riots good au old fuck how No he doesn't.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: About and for you to I don't even know what
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: your thoughts are on this. I have a bit of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: an idea, but I personally know.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I would have to guess a bit.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: But at the least ten, at the most twenty women
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: who use testosterone, which when I say that to lots
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: of people, they go like, that's not even something they
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: ever heard of or thought about. And the immediate reaction is, oh,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: my god, like why would you you know? It's like, ah,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: why are women now using generally it's a cream, is.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: My understanding, But you'll know better than me.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Why are women now being prescribed testosterone, which all of
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: most of us go, well, that's a man thing for sure.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Don't put that in there. What stood happening features, benefits
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and advantages.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're all culturally attuned to estrogens for women
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and testosterones for men, but really we are all. Both
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: sexes have some of all of that. They're in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: same sort of path came biochemical pathways. They can convert
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: to each other. To starsterone is meat into estrogen. So
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a woman cannot have estrogen unless she's making testosterone, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: a woman has a normal amount of testosterone. If they
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: lose that, they lose drive, they lose energy, they lose motivation,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: they lose libido, and they lose the ability to maintain
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: muscle mass. So even when we do hormone replacement for women,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: we look at the testosterone level, and if we've replaced
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: estrogen and progesterone and the testosterone is still low, we
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: might ask some certain questions about their energy and other
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: things and give them a little bit back. A typical
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: in milligrams per deestolator for women we shoot for about
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: fifty or so, maybe a little more, and men we're
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: looking at, you know, six to eight hundred, so we're
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: looking at less than a tenth of the male dose.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: So don't freak out everybody. You're not converting women into men.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: You're making them better women.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: You're not getting a jab in the bottom in the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: locker room of the gym.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: There are women who will do injections, just a lot
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: smaller dose or a lot less frequently.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are they?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. That was going to be a very
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: irrelevant question. Do you think that the acceptance and the understanding.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I know in Australia it's I think we're ten years
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: behind America in some of these things. In the States,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: it seems to be this, you know, TRT seems to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: be a lot more acceptable, definitely with men, and a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: lot more common and less taboo.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Like I've heard lots of actors and.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Podcasters and you know, various people talk about it publicly,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: So it seems not to be the dirty dark secret
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that it once was when you and I and TIF.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, like I could look at films because I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: grew up in gyms with blokes taking steroids, like in
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the eighties, it wasn't even a thing, and you might
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: as well have been taken creatine like, I won't say
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the name of the gym, but I worked in a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: gym where I would say it was a very room
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: mentory fund like basic gym, but it was just it
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: was like lots of tradesmen and cops and crooks and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: hard heads and bouncers and like. It was definitely not
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: your five star facility, but it was awesome.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It was an awesome.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Environment and culture, and everyone trained like animals, but half
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of them were on steroids, and half of them would
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: injected in their ass or their leg or their shoulder,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: literally in the change. But we're talking about nineteen eighty
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: three and four. We're talking about four decades ago. But
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't seen. And by the way, everyone, I'm not
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: suggesting that's a good practice. I'm just saying what was.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But it seems to be shifting back now where people
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: are thinking about it as a legitimate treatment.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, testosterone has used to restore a missing amount,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: and we have a lot of that here in America,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: where you know, were a lot of men becoming women,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: and they think it has to do with the microplastics
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: that are interrupting hormones and things like that, But who
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: knows be that as it may, there's a need for
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: tesoscer and replacement. We're seeing in thirty year olds forty
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: year olds very low testoscer levels, so yes, necessity. Now,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: anabolic steroids have a role too. If you have wasting
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: away disease cockexia. You know they used to give it
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: to you know, people with advanced aids yea, so who
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: are losing all their muscles. So there's a role for
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: that now. Of course, there's a downside anabolic steroids. You know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: liver cancers and.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: You know you.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Shrivel up your testes and you know they don't work
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: in that kind of thing, So there are downsides as well.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: But you can win the bodybuilding championship.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: But when you said men a becoming women, you went
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: talking about somebody transitioning. You were literally talking about their
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: physiology changing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am. I'm talking about a culture of emasculation,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: chemical emasculation that's going on here in the States.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. All right, let me just have
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a scroll. I'm sorry, a lot of these are bit
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Rachel forty three from Barron Bay also jealous Barren Bay's
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful doc. Are their lifestyle factors that make these
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: treatments more or less effective.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I guess we've kind of covered that in a way, but.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: No, anything we do. We want to focus on anti
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: inflammatory lifestyle. You're gonna if you're going to pay, you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: a few thousand dollars for a regeneritive medicine treatment. Yes,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: you should be. We should get your diet dialed in.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: We should get your sleep dialed in. We should get
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: your exercise regimen dialed in, your supplements, your nutrition, your
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: mental space, everything should be. Yeah, you want to nest
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: properly for this treatment so it can do as much
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: as it can for yourselves.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Rob for medeali'd sixty one. Aus can you explain in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: terms that I will understand? Good on you, Rob, stem
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: cell therapy. I don't in then he rits I don't get.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: It, Rob. Let's let's you're going to get it after this, okay.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: So stem cell therapy is a way of taking our
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: older bodies that can't repair themselves like they used to.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: What do I mean by that? Well, when you were
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: three years old, you skin your knee on the sidewalk,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: and you know you would cry, Mother would clean it up,
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: put a bandage on it, kiss you send you on
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: your way and three days later in the bathtub, the
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: bandage comes off and your scabsam was completely healed. Now
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: fast forward your fifty seven year years old you fall
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: down skin your knee and it takes two weeks for
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: that bad thing to heal. You're the same person with
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: the same genes. Why don't you heal like a youthful person. Well,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: because if you accumulated a bunch of inflammatory damage over
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the years, you've got a bunch of junk, you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: and your cells just can't do what they used to.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Stem Cell therapy slash regenitive medicine is tapping back into
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: that youthful healing and applying it to allow and trick
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: and hack and encourage your cells to behave in a
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: more youthful way to help you heal or repair something
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: or slow aging. That's what it's all about. Yeah, yeah, Rob,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: do you get it?
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Robin? I think you got it? What's that?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: What's that dude? Divid doctor Divid Sinclair, isn't it?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: So?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know that Divid Sinclair and that other less medical
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: but more experimental guy who are really going down the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: anti aging rabbit hole, Brian Brian Johnson. You know that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Doodo who spends like a million dollars a year up
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: he's well in the biohacking space.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on and this is not a
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: loaded question, what are your thoughts on?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: You know, their their research like a lot of Brian
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Johnson has really self it's an equals one. He's the
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: he's the research and the researched and the researcher.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the stuff that they're doing?
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I think we need handle them separately. So David
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Sinclair is you know, works for a sponsored Harvard lab
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: dealing with something called n MN, which is you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: from mitochondrial pathways. It helps supply you know, a nicotinamide marcule.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: There are many ways to get nicotinamide into your system. Yes,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: any D plus is what the goal is here in
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: any D plus does decline with age. It's hard to
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: measure if you need it or not because it's hard
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: to measure the intrast cellular amount. And you know, he
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: he controversially, you know, was was working towards trying to
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: make it, you know, a patent or controlled substance for
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: big pharma to take over. And when he was asked
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: about that a year and a half ago at the
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: A four M meeting, which is a big anti AG
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: meeting in Las Vegas. He said, well, my lab is sponsored.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: I have to you know, I have to. They have
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: to have a return on investment. So these are natural
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: natural supplements. You know this this should not be controlled
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: or limited. But it sounds like the best way to
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: get N A D plus is to take a supplement
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: called nucleotide riboside. And are you can buy that? You know, well,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know. In Australia, you guys are limited. We
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: can buy it on our Amazon here. So that's a
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: popular substance. I've tried different forms of N A D
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: plus I V and what have you. I didn't feel anything.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Some people do feel something, so maybe they're low. Maybe
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: I wasn't. I don't know. You know, mitochondria are the
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: goal here. Take care of your mitochondria and you're taking
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: care of your cells. You got to have all the
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: different B vitamins and if you if you're missing that
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: gene that methylates it, then you got to get it
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: methylated become in a methilated form. So there are many
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: different aspects of mitochondrial health and NMN slash NR slash
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: NAD plus is only one of them.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Wow, if I feel like you're looking this up because
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you're going to get you and may achilo over h.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're always looking up. We're always looking up.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: The good doctor always.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Wanted this is good. This is fact checker Tiff is
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: right at it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Can I ask your question?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Thank god on behalf of way too many of the
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: fame menopausal women in my gym and clients of mine.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Frozen shoulder, bro, what's going on?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Frozen shoulder. And we should add this hip tendonitis.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of women get hip pain.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: And those tendons in the shoulder and in the tenons, ligaments,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: the cartilage tissues, they get drier, just like a lot
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: of body parts get drier and women their skin, their eyes,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: their privates get dry and things like that. So the
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: tenons dry out that they're not as flexible, and it's
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a it's a symptom going into menopause that can be
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: avoided if you do everything you can to keep your
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: cells kick cooking along in a youthful way. And that
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: usually requires the bioidentical hormone replacement you know that really
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: help help that. And of course, nothing replaces good flexibility
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: and strengthening and all that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: They have it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Is there anything like it seems to be something that
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: lasts for a couple of years even when you do
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: the best things for it. Is there anything that moves
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: that along quicker? Yeah?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I mean there are you know, regenerative medicine, either injections
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: or ivs, you know, you know, really really working on
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: the flexibility some good year and yoga or stretching. You know,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: it's not going to happen overnight, and it's not going
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: to be a six week stretching protocol. It's going to
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: be a six month stretching protocol. So yeah, you can
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: work on it for sure, thank you.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Sure, I've got two questions, two questions before we jam, doc,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: What is I mean obviously nowhere near your level and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: understanding supplements and all the things available to us and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: peptides and drugs and all the things that have been
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: used by various people.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: But like I first became aware of supplements in I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: would say nineteen eighty two three when it comes in
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Australia about that time called Masashi launched, which was they
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: were they did like all the aminos and a whole
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: range of different stuff. There used to be this thing
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: called frack. There was another thing called gamma oles, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: there was like desiccated liver was chewed by bodybuilders, like lollies,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like all of these. And I remember taking el carnatine
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and l R janine and it was just this powder
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that tastes it like, oh my god, it was like
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the worst tasting thing I've ever It was.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Like dry dead fish. It's stunk.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: But a whole bunch of things that I took, and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I mean all over the counter supplements, but I remember
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: one day realizing that I was now taking about forty
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: forty five pills or tablets today and I literally went,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take zero for a week. It made
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: no difference. It made absolutely no difference. Now maybe that's
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: just because I didn't.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But so my.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Question is, in the last few decades, the most overrated
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: but underperforming miracle drugs supplement that's come out and been
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: all whiz bang and then kind of fallen on its ass.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Oh interesting, something that's come out and fallen and then turned.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Out well, something that got a whole lot of press
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that really fizzled out and we went or a whole
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: lot of momentum, and it's like, yeah, no, it doesn't
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Well, we've seen, you know, our own FDA reverse reverse
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: themselves on many things. Let me think of a drug. Well,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: for a while, we were using these anti inflammatories back
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: in the nineties and early two thousands called extra or bios.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: These were cocks two blockers, and they were very very
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: effective using inflammatory pain for joint and spine issues, but
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: we were causing all kinds of cardiovascular problems and heart attacks.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I remembers vioux was killing people, wasn't it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: It was also making them feel better until it killed them,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: so you felt.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, died with a smile on your face, but.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they got pulled off the market. That's probably
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing I can think of in my career.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Up until his heart exploded, he was so happy.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Last one the opposite of that, the most valuable but
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: perhaps underestimated supplement drug hormone, peptide whatever, but something that's
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: really quite valuable for most people, but really underdiscussed, unknown
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: and maybe underestimated.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Ooh, I got two that popped into my head. I
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: don't know where to go with this. I'm gonna I'm
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: gonna give you multiple choice. I'm going to tell you both,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: and you pick the one, okay, right, all right? Melatonin
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: and probiotics.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's a person dependent Like I use probiotics
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and they really move the needle for me.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So for.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Me it would be that, but for others it'll be melotonin.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: And give us the quick sale speech for each of those.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Melatonin is not just to help you sleep. It is
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: a It is supports cellular repair at night. It's a
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: hormone that we just don't make well after puberty, so
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: it helps replace that hormone, just like you replace testosterone.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: And it really answers your quality of sleep, your depth
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: of sleep, and that means your cells are repairing better
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: and you need that if you want to slow aging
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: and heal other things. On the probiotics side, we have
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: a very intimate relationship with the bacteria that live in
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: us and honest and you have to have the right
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: mix for optimal anti inflammatory, anti aging health. They support
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: the brain, they support other parts of the body. So
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I do recommend a high quality probiotic.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, if what's your favorite.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I know you take a lot of drugs, but what's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the supplement that I'm kidding, like, either now or over time,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: what's the supplement or the support for you that's been
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like the best bang for buck so to speak.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Creatine definitely, Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, creatinees kind of or our awareness or understanding of
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: what it does, because it used to just be like
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: a get bigger muscles thing. Now we allegedly, doctor Jeff,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: it's a cognitive enhancer.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Are you on that train?
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: I totally am. I'm a personal creatine user. We recommend
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: it to a lot of people. It's you know, it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: it's hard to take a lot of creatine during the day.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: You have to be strategic.
• 58:04
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• 58:10
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  Speaker 1: then we can do maybe two of those in the show.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That'd be good because we also want to talk about
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: stuff that you want to hear. Otherwise it's just you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: me kind of stepping into the wilderness taking the best
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: guess at what might be valuable to you, the listener.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: So we would love to be guided by you in
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: this way.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks TIF, hope you get better, keep your snid to yourself.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I hope you're breathing, are you breathing all over your boy.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Did I tell you, Jeff that tif's got a new
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: bloke Everyone in Australia knows.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Oh no, this is we've let it. Let us know
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: in the States that you're off the market. There, let
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: me let me cross her name off right now, Yeah,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: there I go.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: All right, Uh, it's true. Appreciate you both. Thanks Stoff.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you anytime. Be well.